Klingon Warbirds Attack V'Ger (Trek 2009 ships)
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Three warbirds (EDIT: That's what this design is called in the movie, I know they're based on the D7 battlecruiser, so please stop trying to correct it) featured in the 2009 Star Trek reboot (they were in Kirk's Kobaiyashi Maru test) test their mettle against Voyager Six, a.k.a. V'Ger. Same scenario, same creepy, electronic end.
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People don't realize how much time this takes, I think you did an awesome job Glenn.
Thank you, I appreciate that, yes these are very time-intensive, and even listing the steps needed to do it would take me quite a while!
Klingon investigation technique
1: Shoot at it
2: See what happens
3: Leg it!
No joke, it's called recon by fire: shoot it, and see if and how it fires back. You can even say that reconnaissance succeded: it's artificial, well armed and willing to fire back.
hahahaha
Or as Cinema Sins puts it "We don't know what this thing is, let's shoot it."
@@kireta21 I mean plus, if you can't get any sensor reading through the cloud... full spread ain't exactly the _worst_ way to rough out a scale...
4: with honour!
Loved it.... right up to the point that 'Evasive' meant doing Macross Valkyrie speed maneuvers. Really need to slow that down a bit...
The evasives on the film were perhaps a little too slow and calm but these manoeuvres are way too fast.
I laughed out loud when this happened. 😂
@@TheCormTube Honestly it's a bit realistic considering how fast their ships are
@@hammerofdavey realistically though, if they're supposed to have the kind of performance they're stated to have (getting to high percentages of lightspeed in seconds to minutes at most) even this is pretty tame.
Too be fair with inertial dampeners and warp field assisted impulse drives, you could argue this is accurate. The reason why Star Trek doesn’t have fighter craft is because huge capital ships are basically just as maneuverable because of warp technology and gravitational manipulation.
The Klingon captain is none other than Mark Lenard, Spock's "father". He became the first actor to portray a Romulan ("Balance of Terror"), a Vulcan ("Journey to Babel"), and a Klingon ("STTMP").
Great nerding!
With my nerdy cap I'd add that Mark was also General Urko in the Planet of the Apes series.
ploppy son of ploppy a Nerdy Silver Star for that one!
@@georgeorwell4534 Oh I've always wanted one of those!
Happy nerd signing off.
To this day, I still cannot tell that that is Mark Lenard. Amazing makeup work!
@Stevetheman55 consider me eddified! 😁🖖
Many people don’t know that it was James “Scotty” Doohan who provided the voice and first recorded Klingon speech. He basically said he just made it up and the rest is history.
Now THAT is how Klingons attack: a full spread from everybody!
I appreciate the facts that A) you kept this more to the book than the movie I.E. all the Klingons were firing and B) you left the computer voice in the Comm Station sequence.
klingons must be heavy smokers by the looks of their bridge........
Have you seen the food they eat, the flatulence alone will peel the paint off the walls.
Looks like RJ Reynolds finally found new customers in the future. That's unfiltered Camel smoke for sure.
Their life support wasn't as sophisticated (reference the Trellisane Confrontation) as that of that of the Federation....plus, they were heavy smokers! Probably Winston, that's a tough cigarrette!
Early Klingon ships were known for poor reliability. There was always something breaking or leaking.
Love this bit. Great job! It was just a few years ago that I realized that Mark Lenard (actor who played Sarek) plays the Klingon commander here.
Watching the Klingons have enough sense to do a tactical retreat to have time to report back.
That shows a lot of development for the characters. 👍
A real tactical retreat would have involved going to warp, instead waiting around for V'Ger to reload so they can be destroyed, too. These Klingons were not smart at all.
@@gamewizard1760 With the damping field around V'ger. It's a Testament to Their designs They could move at all.
My dad took my brother and I to see the original Star Trek. Theater was standing room only. All the seats were full, and people were lined upon the walls.
How thats never gonna be repeated avain ... in Corona world
This was such an amazing opening scene to an highly expected movie. It didn’t occurred to me then but I wonder why the Klingon captains didn’t jump to warp speed to escape the V’ger weapon.
They were already at warp. You'll note when the Enterprise first approaches V'ger later in the film that the engines are lit indicating it's at warp. It's the only way V'ger could've traversed that much space in the amount of time it takes in the film.
@@thelastamericanflappernot saying you are wrong, or I disagree. But.....Tom Paris said in STV, when going faster than the speed of light there is no left or right. Now I understood that to mean, your not going to do evasive maneuvers, let alone a U turn as the Klingons clearly did. The writers for Trek always contradict themselves. Regardless, the reason why the Klingons were defeated was because they had no Plot Armor. They were there to show the audience how powerful Veger was. Letting them escape would not shown the audience on how much a threat Veger was.
Simple answer: they were already at warp, but V'ger is so huge (2 AU in diameter, or about 200 million miles across, a distance that would take 16 minutes to cross at warp 1) that they look like they're going slow
Because V'ger and the Klingon ships are already traveling at warp speed. Read the book.
No, no, no. This was Klingon space, and they were prepared to fight to the death of an unresposive invader. It was a show of brute force and a warrior mentality. A good death is to die in battle with honor than to surrender and admit defeat for the Klingons.
40 years later and they still look badass.
40 years? This is a new rendering.
Fun fact the Amat bridge set is also the torpedo room set in Star Trek 2 wrath of khan
The ships originally depicted in STTMP are K'Tinga class battlecruisers & were designated as such from before the very first day of release for STTMP.
Good vid. ✨✨✨✨✨🚀
@scot FALSE thats d 7 not k'tingas
@@incrediblemichael Sorry, that's not correct. These are K'tinga class heavy battle cruisers. The D7 is an older, smaller, light battle cruiser that has no aft torpedo tube, only one in the bow of the ship. The K'Tinga class was the first Klingon cruiser to have more than one torpedo tube.
@@incrediblemichael The D7 are only seen in ToS (and technically Discovery), the ones seen in the movies, TNG, DS9, etc are the K'Tinga class which replaced the D7. Don't worry though a lot of people make the same mistake as you due to the way they look fairly similar (They share the same general shape albeit the K'Tinga is roughly 50% larger with a proportionally shorter neck) and the fact that in an episode of Voyager they encountered a D7 which was represented on screen by a K'Tinga model as the studio didn't want to pay for a new D7 model.
@@jiyu9694 If you look at the blueprints and schematics of a D7 it is slightly longer than the K'tinga.
@@incrediblemichael No Samantha, you're wrong. Scott is 100% correct.
"What the hell", these were K"t"inga class heavy battlecruiser's!
K'tinga, before discovery tried to rewrite history, the word K'tinga had one apostrophe.
They were stupid to attack something they didn't understand in the first place, but even more stupid, was the other two captains not warping out after seeing the first ship being destroyed. The last two ships might have survived if the Klingons had the sense to get the hell out of there when they saw the power they were facing.
Lost me on the “swoosh” but still impressive work
I HAVE BEEN AROUND MUSIC FOR ABOUT 55 YEARS, AND HAVE HEARD COUNTLSS COMPOSITIONS.. THIS IS BY FAR THE ABSOLUTE BEST !
I was wondering when someone was gonna talk about the fact that V-ger is STILL onits way to Earth in the Kelvin timeline. Hell...the whale probe, too
Yeah but how did we avert the rise of Khan in the late 1990s? He was said to be the best of the tyrants so I was looking forward to his benevolent rule. Some foolhardy time traveler must have altered the timeline!
Doc and Marty?
Apparently one ship being destroyed and Kirk not meeting his father changed the whole universe....the Enterprise was built on the planet's surface and was completely different, every ship in the fleet was also different, bigger, full of pipes so perhaps the whales and v'ger were somehow affected.
@@TheCormTube Technology in the Kelvin timeline is extremely primitive compared to the original series, They don't use anti matter the warp engines do not have bussard collectors, The computer core is nonexistent because it's supposed to be in the middle of saucer but on the kelvin constitution there's a giant open space in the middle of a saucer, their brigs have some kind of nano technology plastic windows instead of forcefields, The hand phaser have only two settings versus the roughly 15 settings of the original, Their sensora apparently are completely blind while at warp, Judging from the movies there's no such thing as miniaturization technology in the Kelvin timeline, Not to mention the fact that the secondary hull is not even compartmentalised to guard against hull breaches nor they have emergency forcefields or emergency bulkheads. Popular Mechanics has a diagram of the Kelvin enterprise and its a complete mess. Their ship phasers also do not have a wide beam setting or a beam setting at all and their photon torpedoes do not have proximity detonation.
The JJ Abrams movies and all the other new Star Trek are not canon. Only the ones created by Rick Berman and Gene Roddenberry are Canon.
These are NOT 'warbirds', they are "D"-Class battlecruisers.
These models are from the 2009 Star Trek 'reboot'. For some reason they are called warbirds there...
Canon officially classifies them as K'tinga D-7 battle cruisers.
Actually they're polygons rendered in a 3D graphics package into a visual media format being displayed on your monitor.
@@Dualhammers LOL!!! Good one! Actually not a Trekkie (Trekker), and definitely not a softhead...too old.
@@Dualhammers That would explain a lot of things.
Great video, very nicely done! Thank you.
I like the way these Klingons look. It looks like their spinal cord travels over the top of their head.
The design is based on section of different spines
Yes, those D7s did look something like a bunch of pixels on a screen. Later graphics systems have made the task of realistic vessel simulation, in both form and function, much more challenging.
The ones in the original movie, were realistic as it gets models. The quality of the original movie was better unity they digitalized it, which was fine until everyone's computers and TV a became digital with far more pixels. If you take the original film and digitalize it with moder pixel ratio you would see a big difference.
@@michaellarson938 Even though this was made 1979 Star Trek The Motion Picture is still a visual master piece. Only hardcore visual critics like yourself would critcise this. Besides there is alot of CGI movies now a days that look crap.
Good job in remake. Those were K'Tinga class cruisers in the original movie as well. D7's have a smooth outer layer. I still don't why they didn't jump to warp and bug out.
it would dishonor their families for generations. a klingons fight to the death.
@@timcassaday3045 Most possible reason. But they could have got away to warn the Empire and returned to attack (with the same results no doubt.)
It's already moving at Mach 7 go take a lot to escape that
You have to admit that's the most menacing use of a Harp and Pipe Organ I've ever heard ...
Good. I especially liked the underside, up-angled view of the cruiser during the v'ger bolt hit.
Thanks, I tried to give some differing camera work from the original and added extra torpedo shots, because, hey, they're Klingons.
Nice re-edit. Many fans have tried to re-imagine this opening scene (one of the best in the movie; I remember watching it in the theater), but I think it's tough to beat the impact of the original film way back then. Apples to oranges now. Like trying to re-make the original "Godzilla" now, scene-for scene, with today's effects. Or re-paint the Mona Lisa with slightly different colors. It just can't be done with the same "gravitas". Thanks for your interpretation and efforts!
One of the weaknesses of that original scene was never really showing the Klingon vessels in motion, just medium/long distance footage of the ships appearing to hang motionless. This video gives a much better sense of it being an actual battle with only a couple of additional scenes.
I'm a new subscriber and awesome Trek video, craggy dash 1
...ya know, it always bugs me in a ship design when I see things like pistons being used as support pillar struts. It makes me think that something around them is supposed to move and retract or that the section of ship they're on is supposed to move. Like, the bridge has a bunch of piston strut supports, like shock absorbers...but why? Why not just solid pillars? Why make them look like they flex and collapse and extend, if they're not to supposed to?
Nice job. Creative re-imagination of the 1979 version. 👏👏👏
Ok, so you've proven the original movie looks waaaayyyy better.
Klingon Warbirds? That's D7 Cruisers 👍🏻
@Cliven Longsight We're talking about this clip here and it's from the motion picture and not from JJ's movie
Respect! Like a mo'fo. Amazing job sir!!
Ah Mark Leonard, never knew it was you sitting in the captian’s seat.
Even in an alternate timeline that the Klingons didn't have the good sence to just go into warp speed!
The whole battle is at warp speed. V'ger's torpedoes are much faster than the Klingon ships (and the redesigned Enterprise too). The sheer scale of V'Ger which was originally 82 AU in diameter (an AU being the distance from the Sun to Earth, roughly 93,000,000 miles) makes things appear slow. This is explicitly stated in the novel, that Enterprise goes to emergency warp 9 when first fired on and the V'Ger torpedoe "follows easily, effortlessly"
@@richardgregory3684 It diesn't look like it to me. By their approach, it looks like they are approaching a body lije a planet, moon, or space station, where they slow down and either orbit or dock, at least on impulse power.
@@MulToyVerse The clue is the scene when Enterprise approaches the cloud. The inner grills on the nacelles are lit up blue, which on the movie Enterprise was *only* when they were at warp. Thus, the Enterprise is approaching the cloud at warp speed. They never slow down. Also, the cloud was moving toward Earth at high warp speed, and there's no indication that the cloud slowed down when the insignificant starships approached it.
@@tyranusfan There's no visual cues that they're at warp speed, though. No moving stars or anything like that. At least in the newer iterations of Trek they have a better representation for when ships are at warp.
@@KenoshiAkai They never used streaking stars until TNG came out. The later two movies, V and VI switched to that, but at the time of TMP, that wasn't in use. The only visual cue in both TMP and TWOK is the lit up nacelles. (From TWOK to TVH, they used the constant trail of light behind the ship.)
I'd forgotten about this scene,thanks for the upload.
First the cloud is really large, it would stretch from the orbit of Venus to Jupiter. The Klingons are already moving at close to their maximum warp speed. When they realize there is a large ship in there they have to reverse direction and pull ahead of it. The cloud is also moving at around warp 7 to begin with. It's not a quick turn.
The size of the cloud depends on what version you're watching. In the theatrical version, one of the Epsilon 9 crew says that the cloud is "82 AUs (astronomical units) in diameter". That is insanely large and much larger than distance between the orbits of Venus and Jupiter at 4.48 AUs.
The Director's Cut takes the cloud down to a much more reasonable 2 AUs.
At 82 AUs, the cloud would envelop all of the Solar System well into the Kuiper Belt, past Pluto.
@@Felamine 82 AU's is the average diameter of Pluto's orbit.
@@Felamine I didn't get the figure right from the director's cut.
@@johntracy72 Pluto's orbit has a semi-major axis 39.482 AU
Good edit. I know this is an older post and I'm guessing one of your earliest pieces. From a technical point, the only issues would be (possible editing out the originals as I thought I saw a bit of odd blur around the ships, could be wrong) the camera movements seem a bit off but all of that could be explained by the models being a much higher fidelity visually than the original footage. Honestly, if they appeared a bit blurry or grainy then it would have been perfect. Again, solid job. It's amazing. I might know a bit about CGI work and all that but if I were to try it, it wouldn't be to the level you did here
Thank you for the thoughtful critique, I did try initially to throw some film grain/blur in but I'm absolute pants at that, so I just went with a mild generic grain.
Cool video! The one thing I never understood about this particular scene in the film was why the last Klingon ship didn't go into warp after seeing what had happened to its sister ships.
Maybe they couldn't establish a warp field.
they were actually at high warp speed the whole time. the film didnt depict warp speed very well, which is why they couldnt outrun veegers digitizer. the enterprise scene after is also at warp which is easier to see because the impulse engines are off and the warp nacells are lit up blue 👍
I never understood the whole sequence. With their size difference the Klingons are like ants farting at a tank, and the tank actually bothers to shoot back?
Nice recreation of the exterior effects.
Of all of the fan made CGI clips of that scene, this was by far the best; however, I have one pick. After the Klingon commander calls for evasive, the three ships pull off. One goes port, one goes starboard, and one executes an Immelmann Turn. The speed of which resemble the maneuver of an F-18. The D-7 Battle-cruisers were big, lumbering, behemoths. They should have moved at about 1/4 the speed they did. Otherwise, well done.
Really? This one's better and they don't maneuver ridiculously fast either. ruclips.net/video/WpfspdqGwEk/видео.html
You really should look around more. There are quite a few out there that rival professionally made effects. One example, look for the 4K Voyager opening sequence.
Yeah, they moved at cartoon speed. A real aircraft would never be able to move that fast...even some big radio control planes would be hard pressed.
You're a certified joke and probably a sock puppet to suggest this is even remotely good. All of these lame Blender versions of this scene were crushed. ruclips.net/video/87fO_6N0ITA/видео.html
But aren't they in space, where gravity wouldn't affect them the way it would in a planet's atmosphere?
Very good work. Keep at it.
Excellent job ! (1 Aug 2018 1820 hours)
Thank you very much!
EXTREMELY well done!
Makes me think about how V’ger, the whale probe, the kitimer accords, the Borg, the dominion, and other events could play out in the kelvin timeline.
This is amazing.
Some thoughts:
- This was propably the first time the "Worf effect" was put into screenplay. Just showing "how do the Klingons fare" to establish the new foe is dangerous.
- "Sir, it is firing back!" "Ah, so it knows the 'Vulcan Hello'. Let us see if it is worthy of respect!"
- "V'ger uses select and Cut. It is super effective."
- Nice idea trying to fire a torpedo into the enemy weapon, hoping it would maybe dissipate it. A pity the torpedo was absorbed before it could detonate.
That sound track... brings back some good memories even in 2021!
I'm thankful the makeup and prosthetics for the Klingons improved over time.
I'm sorry, Glenn. I have no idea how this managed to slip through my feeds. Considering the length of time that this was made, it is awesome looking. Subscribed.
Great job on the re-imagination of the V'ger engagement sequence. If I had one critique, it's a small one: cruisers aren't that nimble. The teeny tiny BoPs first introduced in Star Trek III: The Search For Spock would have that ability to sharply turn and scamper off at that speed.
Realistically they should though. What's shown on screen is often way too slow for the setting
These Klingons knew they took on more than they could handle.
I love that extra little BOOOM at 6:51. I wish it turned up in the soundtrack.
A Klingon battleship goes "whoosh?!?" It sounds like when Xena turns her head fast. :-)
nice work
I do like the V'Ger Data Pattern Effect for the Warbirds you did in this vid.
Thanks, the Saber effect by Video Copilot was essential for making the effect really pop.
@@GlennG5150 I think I'd be interested to see your take on the 2009 Enterprise's encounter with V'Ger.
This was one of the most exciting movie openings ever, on par with the opening scene of Star Wars.
At least these ships looks like they were trying to get the hell out of there! STMP ships appeared to be moving at snails pace.
Large capital ships like this should move slower, less maneuverable. These speed at which these turned tail looks ridiculous.
Okay, just from the warbird de-rezzing effect alone, I'm giving you a like.
Thanks, probably the most fun part of the project!
Very well done! My only complaint are how they broke formation after the failed torpedo salvo, it didn’t feel like how ships normally move in ‘Trek. It’s a little jarring to see the big Klingon ships that usually have a bit of weight when they maneuver flit across the screen suddenly. Other than that, excellently done!
That's probably the most troublesome part for me too, but in the original, all they did was elevate their noses slightly, not very dramatic - but yes, my version is a bit abrupt, but I also had timing constraints to work with (being a fixed-time shot) - if I could've, I would slow it to about half the speed I used.
@@GlennG5150 It's way too abrupt--it's the only bad thing about the whole video. These spacecraft are equivalent to battleships and cruisers. They're not fighter planes.
BRAVO!! NOW this is the best intro I've seen SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE ORIGINAL MOVIE!!
Awesome remake. I like it. Just thought I'd ask the perennial question:
When and where was the 3rd battlecruiser destroyed? We see all three do the evasive turn around but after the first V'ger mega torpedo is fired, the Amar is only tracking 1 ship: itself.
Double kill? Destroyed while Epsilon 9 was intercepting Amar's transmission?
I've always assumed that it was during the Epsilon 9 cutaway.
Nicely done.
3:59 holyshit those turns 0.o
The first time we here the Klingons war theme!
Outstanding!
What's the purple stripe on the front of the ships? I don't recall that from the 2009 movie.
I'm surprised it took four years for someone to ask this question! No, it wasn't there in the 2009 movie, but I took a small amount of creative license there and wanted to portray that frontal ridge as an animated active scanner or deflector.
I could imagine how much embarrassment they would feel if they knew they got yeetus deletus by a small early twenty first century space probe lol
This 1st star trek movie in my opion is the best because it shows how good captain kirk is with dealing with other life-forms
You're absolutely right dude they Rd 7 Dees which was the last in that line the katanga class battlecruiser was a Workhorse for the fleet forever but this was last incarnation of them
I wish I knew what had happened inside the cloud and how V'Ger fired back when the Klingon torpedoes had penetrated the cloud. That would be pretty interesting to see.
They probably missed. Depending on the movie cut, the cloud is either 2x the distance from Earth to the Sun or 82x the distance.
The Klingon torpedoes were digitized and stored by V'Ger, just like the Klingon ships were. That's why they never exploded.
Best one yet !! 😮
You’d think when they said evasive they’d do a hard turn and book it while engaging the cloaking device.
Uh oh, they derezzed !!!
In space, no one can hear you scream. But they can hear your ship whoosh.
Which is what all the movies/series have done in Trek - added SFX where there realistically should be any. Just being consistent.
Specifically they are the D-7C variant. The original D7 battlecruisers were armed with disrupters and type 3 phasers. The D-7C variant was upgraded to photon torpedoes and type 4 phasers. The same type of armaments used in the Constitution class heavy cruisers.
In TOS, Klingons never had phasers as weapons. Phasers are Federation technology. Klingons only had disruptors.
I wish I knew what happened inside of the cloud when the Klingon torpedoes penetrated it just before firing back at them.
I love the Klingon Musik :D
A much younger Roger Aaron Brown with that crew monitoring the Klingon Battle
Stunning achievement well done Glenn
I always wondered why they didn't just go to warp rather than just trying to get away on impulse power.
Highly probable that the V'ger cloud's energy field was sapping a lot of power from the Klingon engines.
Where are they getting this picture of V"Ger from after all the Klingon Ships are destroyed
I remember thinking, whoever those Klingons are after is in for some big hurt!
At least we know what that Klingon is saying at the beginning.
This version of the Klingon make up always looked ridiculous. They look like puppets/animatronics.
Could you do the Kirk maneuver from Star Trek The Motion Picture Novel ? James Kirk was known for Coming at his opponent head to head at high warp and swing back on them from aft he ordered this maneuver to intercept VGer. I always wanted to see the enterprise perform this maneuver at high warp.
my question is, why didn't go to wrap speed if they were about to be annihilated.
Interesting. There’s an almost manga-like styling to the design of some of these shots, especially from the retreat onwards.
Good work integrating the CGI and the film clips. I only wish JJ had done his homework and realize that Warbnird is a designation for Romulan ships, NOT Klingon, ships like those were usually referred to as Battlecruisers, and the scouts Birds of Prey, but Romulans classified ships as warbirds like their D' Daridex class.
Lenzabi, Thanks for posting this as I was about to. That was the first thing that came to mind when I found this video. Romulans have warbirds, NOT Klingons!
@@Shortsircut1. Yes, Romulans have warbirds, clingons have bird of prey.
The designations were always less than consistent. Remember, Bird of Prey was also an exclusively Romulan designation until Search for Spock (in what was originally scripted to be a stolen Romulan ship, by the way). Two other things that were exclusively Romulan until then - the Cloaking Device, and the Neutral Zone.
The latter we can probably thank Nick Meyer for, as his poor research clearly didn't show that the Gamma Hydra sector was near Romulan Space (reference "The Deadly Years" TOS), not Klingon.
@@k1productions87 OK I can at least agree in part. I have not watched much TOS for some time. If I remember right the Romulans actually bought ships from the Klingons at one time. As shown in the TOS episode "The Enterprise Incident" those Romulans had Klingon (battle cruisers) ships and that was the explanation that I read on how that came to be.
Additionally, the episode (I forget the name) with the Organians and the treaty signed by the Federation and the Klingons that forbid the Federation from developing any kind of cloaking device but the Klingons could because they already had a cloak.
I don't remember enough as to whether or not the Klingons had a neutral zone or not back then, but I believe you are correct that when the Enterprise first came across a Romulan the ship was referred to as a "bird of prey".
@@Shortsircut1 The episode with the Organians was "Errand of Mercy" and it was the first time we ever saw the Klingons (perfect casting John Colicos as Kor, BTW. He always chews up the scenery no matter who he plays. He was also Baltar on the original Battlestar Galactica). This wasnt about cloaking though. That was the Treaty of Algeron which was never actually seen, only first mentioned in the TNG episode "Pegasus". But what the Organian Peace Treaty did was stop the impending war. Koloth mentions this in "The Trouble With Tribbles", using the terms of the peace treaty to allow his crew to have shore leave on Space Station K-7 while Kirk's crew was there.
This also means there was no Neutral Zone at the time, as a Neutral Zone is a buffer of space between two empires that neither side is allowed to enter (much less fully cross into the other's territory). Doing so would be an act of war. Considering we saw Klingons several more times after this further accentuates that no such Neutral Zone existed, but also that there was no real defined border between them.
So, the first time we ever see Neutral Zone and Klingons mentioned together was during the Kobayashi Maru simulation at the beginning of Wrath of Khan. As I mentioned before... the "Gamma Hydra" sector they mention during this simulation was also mentioned in "The Deadly Years" (TOS)... which was on the Romulan Border, not Klingon (Enterprise subsequently falling under attack by several Romulan Warbirds). My other problem with the Wrath of Khan scene was... the Neutral Zone was portrayed as a small bubble of space, not a border between empires.
But that's a different subject for a different discussion, lol
At minute 4.50 the space station observation tower is very similar to the one of “Battle beyond the stars” by Muramaki & Corman.
I never understood why the other 2 Klingon ships didn't go to warp after seeing how the first Klingon ship was destroyed.
Well done Glenn!! Love the cruisers!
They have a very good Design, EVERYONE LOVE THEM!❤❤❤
The best thing about this movie was the theme created for the Klingons! Its perfect.. As for the movie well that is another story!
That was awssome!
Best music for Klingon ships in any series.
Just love the soundtrack 👍
These are not Klingon warbirds. These are the K'tinga battle cruisers.
Shoot first and ask questions later, even if the question is "How are you?"
LOL