Even after 40 years, the Klingon Battle Theme is still one of the best and most iconic songs of the franchise, and in my opinion, one of the best songs ever put to film. An absolute classic!
Totally agree, forgot Kirk saying Kahnnnnnn! In Wrath of Kahn, the battle scene with VGER is the most rememberable. The music for this scene also great too.
@@mikefuston4494 It would have definitely taken longer. But given the size of V'Ger and the vast distance between the initial cloud boundaries and the vessel itself it's unlikely that any invasion fleet could get close enough to deal any appreciable damage before being digitized by V'Ger's High Energy Plasma Torpedoes.
It's pretty blatant in the film that had it any inclination to do so, V'Ger would've been able to annihilate the entire Alpha Quadrant, if not the galaxy, of its carbon unit infestation. There's not the slightest doubt in my mind that Spock's words were exactly accurate, he saw that it had explored "whole galaxies", placing the Machine Planet that redesigned it far, FAR beyond anywhere the Federation knows to this day.
@@VampireYoshi Oh yes, it wouldn't have mattered. Just struck me as MORE Klingon for the ships to throw an insane number of torpedoes at V'Ger, not just three. I especially love the shot of the photon torpedo just vanishing as it struck the V'Ger torpedo. Not even a pin prick to that thing. :)
@@frankpinmtl probably not possible for their culture as it would appear to be running from a fight. Cowardice in the face of the enemy. I thought “ scatter and warp out and get the intelligence to HQ” but that isn’t the Klingon way.
@@AlphaTrion92 is this all I am? I remember people hating Blade Runner when it came out because they were expecting Han Solo fights killer androids. Took years for the view point on that to turn around.
This Klingon battle scene is one of the best Star Trek movie scenes ever filmed, due to the fact that, because it’s so brief it leaves you wanting more.
@@christiangibbs1482 agreed, you hear that music and all you can think is "here comes the Klingons, get ready for some good stuff". You know there is going to be a battle
And sadly that's all that was exceptional about the movie I remember the huge expectation at the time and then Variety started reporting all sorts of rumours about how badly it was going Rumours about trying to cope with Shatner and his 'script changes' Nimoy who didn't want to be in the movie Trumbull who eventually agreed to step in and 'repair' the awful special effects Nichelle Nichols who had reputedly had many 'heated debates' with Shatner The final scene and the awful claustrophobic set The massive cost over run and the very serious chance the movie would not be finished on time That's why the movie is rarely shown A sad and sorry story of a studio and certain actors who made a movie purely to cash in on what remains the longest running franchise in the entertainment industry
Overheard in the briefing room... Klingon captain: OK guys, there's this huge cloud coming our way. We don't know anything about it, but top brass says go check it out. Klingon officer: Are we gonna shoot at it? Klingon captain: Only hell yeah!
"The Klingon battle with the cloud originated at bearing three two three, mark seven five. Location... It's Praxis, sir. It's a Klingon moon." "Any more data?" "I have confirmed the location of Praxis, sir, but..." "What is it?" "I cannot confirm the existence of Praxis"
Chancellor Gorkon: Well... I see we have a long way to go. Captain Spock: Mr. Scott, I understand you're having difficulty with the warp drive. How much time do you require for repair? Captain Scott: There's nothing wrong with the bloody thing... Captain Spock: Mr. Scott, if we return to Spacedock, the assassins will surely find a way to dispose of their incriminating footwear, and we will never see the Captain or Doctor McCoy alive again. Captain Scott: Could take weeks, sir. Captain Spock: Thank you, Mr. Scott.
A new director’s cut was released this year … saw this scene so many times that I could utter all the Klingon phrases! Saw it as a 6 year old back in 1979.
I love the 4K release. I saw this on its big screen debut when I was ten, and was blown away. What I love about the 4K release is that they actually reworked some of the newer digital FX shots that were done for the 2000 Special Director's Edition...and these new shots in the 4K release actually accounted for certain events in the film. Seeing the first Klingon cruiser get blipped off the tactical display at Epsilon IX, and seeing the Enterprise make a heading correction when it traverses over V'ger, and then turns so that it's facing the aperture of the intruder vessel. Little touches like that made the 4K release the definitive version of TMP for me.
In the the original storyboards the lead Klingon ship survives after its engine is damaged and is last seen careening out of control flying towards then past the past the camera.
Yes I'd heard that about the last one surviving. Would have preferred to have seen that to be honest. The bit with bridge getting fried, or whatever it was, belonged to the 2nd ship that was attacked.
@@IAmPegasus I think the bridge getting fried was supposed supposed to be the second ship as well as the captain has mysteriously disappeared from his chair.
OK I really Like the change that the Last klingon D7 actually took a Hit from that Plasma weapon cause the Last Photon Torpedo shortly before impact actually seemed to have weakened it!
That torpedo hit was in the original movie version, but it was harder to see. I had to slow the video down and go frame to frame to see it, but it's there. In this version, however, it is much more obvious, and easier to see.
@@briancooper4959 thanks but No worries, i know that it was there but it had seemingly No real Effect on the Energy weapon and was indeed harder to See, that it why I Like this Version much more xD
TMP gets panned but it was vastly better than it gets credit for. And it still, along with Wrath of Khan, has THE best music score in all of the Star Trek movies. RIP James Horner :(
@@Eric_Malbos Both Goldsmith and Horner absolutely killed it.... before you even see anything on screen, you know you're sitting down to "a MOVIE", as Natalie Gold would say. I once played an open mic where the showcase act was a friend who plays violin and flute, all styles. One theme of the night was "Can anyone stump Eve?" When it was my turn I stood with my guitar and said, "Can you do Ilia's Theme?" and she was like, hell yeah, and we improv'ed our way through it, her better than me. To this day I don't even know if she likes science fiction that much, but she sure as hell knew her Jerry Goldsmith licks.
I love that the actor who plays Sarak, who also played the romulan Captain, is also the Klingon Captain. That is only my memory, so this may not be right, but if it is, then I think he is the only actor to play all 3 major powers. What a wonderful short. Great Job...
I'd always wondered what happened to that first cruiser - plus the placement of the Klingon crew getting thrown around seemed weird in the original cut. This arrangement makes absolute perfect sense.
@@mshnman There were more scenes of this battle sequence filmed for the movie. However, they were edited out. I've seen some of the deleted scenes posted somewhere on RUclips before. I'm not sure why the battle was shortened. I think it would have been better to include all of it.
I saw the original in a theater. V GER fired upon a war bird and patterned it. Just before the Klingon commander shouts EVASIVE! They must have been traveling at warp as they seemed unable to exit the quadrant, let alone out run the plasma balls. That was never explained.
The battle was shortened by the request of the studio to shorten the movie and hopefully get more viewings during the day. Robert Wise was not happy that they were insisting on the cuts, but he did what they asked and added them back later in the Director's Cut. Also the original effects company was way behind schedule with the majority of the optical effects and they had to get ILM in to help (working 24 hour shifts), so they could meet the release date on time. From what I gathered that's why ILM did the effects for all the subsequent Star Trek movies, except for Star Trek V and that was for lower budget reasons.
Fantastic job! I always had a soft spot for that movie; especially the first scene with the redesigned Klingons and their newly made-up language. Thanks James Doohan!
I loved the way Warf explained that difference in the DS9/original Star Trek “ Trouble with Tribbles” mash up! Warf’s “we don’t talk about it” was a perfect way to deal with the problem.
@@seanryan3020 - James Doohan developed the Klingon sound for the first Trek film before Marc Okrand developed it into a more useable language for later movies. It was mostly just barked commands. He recorded them on tape and gave them to Mark Lenard to learn and deliver (as the Klingon captain).
This version of 'Klingons' I think I could have tolerated in the subsequent TV shows, instead of what they finished up with, which always seemed to take more from Christopher Lloyd's Star Trek III version.
IN THE MOTION PICTURE: They have automatic Klingon translation IN STAR TREK 6: "we iz carrying stuff to Rura Penthe" PASS ME THE DICTIONARY AND ENCYCLOPEDIA CADET!!!
Love the music for this section. And firing more torpedoes makes more sense than the few in the original film. I still love this movie. The refit Enterprise is breath taking. So very beautiful. Thank you for the additional scenes.
I made the music from this scene my ringtone for years! It was great because it was easy to distinguish from other ringtones and inspired me to answer quickly.
But V'Ger is still not green. That was how it was in the cinema release. Blue V'Ger is the TV showings and later. This is why Klingon ships are mostly green, after all. The model kits and pics from this movie established that after this film and all the subsequent films, but for Q'Onos 1 in the Shakespeare-misquoting movie. The models made for the first film were actually bare metal colour, reflecting the colour of V'Ger.
Thank you. I saw this in the theater on opening night. As I was watching this scene, I thought I was going to see the greatest sci-fi movie of all time, but alas, no. The music is amazing, it captures the Klingon spirit to a T. Now in this reworked scene, seeing the multiple ships firing, and a second barage, yeah that's Klingon. This is so much better. Thanks again!
Me too! I was there as a teen. I thought I was about to see the greatest thing my Star Trek-starved eyes had ever seen! But alas, we got a reworked NOMAD. Redemption in the form of Wrath of Khan was just a few years away.
Has anyone ever seen "Run Silent, Run Deep" from 1958, a submarine warfare film, also directed by Robert Wise? Seems like there's a little bit of Run Silent, Run Deep in this picture. It's said that Wise learned every detail of how the WWII electromechanical targeting computers worked, and made sure that the sets for the submarine were anatomically correct and showed the right firing solutions. No wonder he was also good at making science fiction films.
Several WW2 movies show up in Star Trek and even Star Wars. The battle with the first cloaked Romulan ship is almost a carbon copy of "The Enemy Below" and the first Star Wars is "A Yankee in the RAF". Good plots seem to hang around; even Forbidden Planet is based on Shakespeare - "The Tempest" IIFC.
This opening scene was absolutely exciting for TRUE Star Trek fans. At this point in the Star Trek episodes, To see three Klingon battle cruisers in battle, with such detailed excellence is a rare sight, and an exciting one. And the beautiful, but deadly anti matter Photon torpedoes, which are beautifully done here is amazing. The musical score representing the Klingons as a warrior species is perfect, and still a standard reference to this day... Vger's Appropriate response, and weapons are qually beautiful, and spectacular. .Superb work, well done....
It was a stroke of genius to open the film with the most badass species in the universe getting their asses handed to them. It immediately characterized the threat as insurmountable. In my opinion this movie was brilliant from start to finish. It showed the vastness of the ST universe, and set up everything to follow. ST TMP deserves more historical credit. As a matter of fact, the Oort Cloud fly-thru remains the only thing comparable to the similar sequence in 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Thank you! I was so excited when I first saw that demo real a year ago and realized that there was in fact more to the battle that was actually filmed, but that it was ultimate cut for whatever reason (I'm sure it wasn't for pacing LOL). Finally the shot of the bridge crew being knocked around as Epsilon 9 watched made sense, as I could never figure out what made the ship lurch like that given that V'Ger didn't use conventional weapons. But I was disappointed when I realized that we would probably never see that version as it was originally intended given the pore quality of the images that survived. But thanks to you, now we can see it! You not only did a great job recreating the missing effects shots, but also with the re-editing. Seriously, you could splice this into an HD version of the film and it would fit in seamlessly - as if it always belonged.
I’ve seen much of your videos and I must say the amount of work you put into them is mind boggling. Very realistic, and many are superior to the originals. Hollywood needs to hire you.
Boy, wasn't that Demo reel something else? I remember seeing it on December 31st just minutes away from New Years. To see visual effects unseen and existing effects uncut and open matte was a dream come true. Thank you for your efforts in incorporating them back in!
You must have been one of the first to see it after I uploaded it that same night! I'm happy so many people appreciated seeing it. If I find anything else like that demo reel, I'll definitely upload it as well.
@@robakaspock8456 Oh yeah! I remember how you originally uploaded it without music and later with music. Glad they didn't strike that one down! Even Jeff Bond over at Facebook said he would have gone nuts as a kid if they had kept in the shot of the other two Klingon Cruisers firing their torpedoes. This was truly an incredible discovery and I'm very thankful to you that you uploaded it. I have a friend who worked on the Director's Edition who said they were given access to everything TMP related and even he never saw anything from this tape.
@@Kalaida Yeah I had heard that (about people working on the Director's Edition), it's possible that Paramount hadn't kept that footage, so the only copy happened to be from the demo reel done by the effects company.
Thank you for depicting the Klingon shields withstanding one hit before destruction. Later releases tried to shorten the battle by showing the kligon cruisers incinerating after just one hit. Another way to shorten the battle would have been to show multiple plasma weapons on way to target (as you did with the torpedoes) instead of just one at a time, as in the original.
Nice editing, I really wish they’d done it this way. The middle partial disintegration of the Klingon ship I feel added to the dramatic action sequence. Also the extra Torpedo shot at the V’ger weapon was beautifully done.
I am thinking these aren't disintegrations, they're being transported into V'Gers' memory banks buffers, into storage to be downloaded later, which we did not get to see.
If you mean the shot just before the V'ger weapon struck from the rear, it was in the original film too but it was so brief that most people missed it. When I first saw it happen on-screen in the theatre I only realised what I'd seen a few seconds after it happened, and I wasn't sure I'd remembered it correctly until I saw it a second time, much later.
Very nicely done! I must admit as to all the fan remakes of this battle sequence yours is the best overall IMO. While the graphics with time will improve I'm sure, the attention to details of what transpired is unmatched. Having the IKC Amar continuing to attack is an example. Also really like your creativity with the final few shots from the fleeing K'tinga. One thing I've never understood was the other 2 K'tinga's doing nothing while the Amar fired. Now I understand why the Klingons would have attacked something as immense as Vger (think Leonidas against the Persians mentality) but why would only one ship attack? Originally, Vger was "over 82 AU's in diameter..." directly quoted from the movie and later edited to 2 AU's in varion special edition releases. For perspective Pluto is approximately 39.5 AU's from the sun. So theoretically this cloud twice as big as the rough orbit of Pluto from the sun is attacked and the Klingons think only 3 torpedoes will get the job done!?!? Klingons are bad-ass but not THAT bad-ass... At least in your awesome rendition every ship is defending the Empire! In regards to the other posting question about battling in warp if you would indulge me... Roddenberry back in the 60's consulted with NASA on many aspects of the show wanting to keep Star Trek as closely based on science as possible. One major issue was the distances involved in traveling. To keep the Enterprise from having to be a generational ship due to the times needed to travel the vast distances and to allow the shows stories to be told in a single episode format bingo...warp drive became a reality. Back to the NASA advisors, they then brought to light that while in warp nobody could shoot as the Enterprise would quite literally outrun what we knew at the time as the fastest weapon...a laser. Roddenberrys experience with being in the military was another influencing factor. The fix; a torpedo. In Star Trek, a Photon Torpedo to be more precise. In terms of navel combat they're very deadly and far faster than the vessels they are intended to destroy. So the powers that be conceptualized the photon torpedo as being the only FTL (faster than light) weapon in the Federations arsenal. An added bonus for Roddenberry is it gave him a story tool that would allow the Enterprise to do things while at warp instead of having to come up with a reason to slow down all the time. In the case of V'ger, it was traveling to see what it deemed as its God/creator. To quote ST:TMP again, "its knowledge has reached the limits of this universe and it must evolve ", so a few Klingons although interesting in the sense of a new lifeform to add to V'gers database would not warrant slowing down and possibly delaying its moment in destiny with its God. The Klingons being Klingons attacked V'ger head on while it was warping through their territory per the novelization. This explains two things; one why you never see any form of phasers or disrupters being used...the vessels would have outrun anything being fired and why the K'tingas trying to escape were so slow in doing so. V'ger was traveling at close to the K'tinga's maximum warp greatly reducing their ability to escape with any haste. A side note not commonly know is thanks to Epsilon 9's sensor data and the Enterprise's newly enhanced and faster warp drive , the Enterprise actually flew around V'ger and approached from the rear. That is why once they traverse the cloud and approach the vessel itself they approach V'ger from the stern then fly over to the bow and finally enter.
Very well thought out synopsis. I’m curious what’s your take on Kurtzman Trek. I’m not going to lie I’m not a fan and after seeing channels like Major Grin point out all the super obvious continuity breaks to prior established lore and the ridiculous re-characterization of certain major characters, I can’t reconcile as these being real Trek shows at the core. I don’t hate people or attack those who truly enjoy it but I can’t make sense as someone who’s been a fan since the late 70s of the negativity inserted into the story and the reverse of Genes ideal that humanity has moved passed all the petty foibles that plagued us before advancing to what Gene wanted to present. One thing I’ll say that even if it wasn’t labeled with the Trek moniker, the shows biases and over attention at virtue signaling would’ve turned me off regardless. I’m a major sci-fi geek and even I couldn’t enjoy it as a non trek sci-fi show. Just to be clear though shows like the Expanse I can’t get enough of. Excellent writing and attention to detail. It’s diverse without feeling forced like TOS. It doesn’t make one side the “good guys” and really just tries to show humanity at its best and worst. Those are the kinds of shows and stories I can get behind. I can’t believe though the genre has declined so much after living through the late 90s and early 2000s when we had so many Trek series, X-files, all the Stargate shows, Dr Who’s return, Red Dwarf and Farscape. I’m sure I’ve missed a bunch but it sure was a great time to live through. To me that was another golden age of sci-fi TV that I hope swings back around someday.
@@1701echopapa Yes according to the novelization. The K'tinga's were traveling at close to maximum warp to initially engage the V'ger threat that entered their territory before it traveled through it to then enter Federation territory. While not cannon this information sheds light on the encounter and why it happened the way it did. In the FASA role playing board game Star Trek, the area of space is described as "The Triangle". This is where the Federation, Romulan and Klingon Empire come together forming a roughly triangular shaped area that is basically a neutral area between the 3 powers. V'Ger was traveling through the narrow point where the Federation and Klingon Empire meet.
@Pat Smith Well, what has been set as cannon now thanks to the series Enterprise (I have no clue what discovery or picard has done) is difficult to rationalize now. As we could see in the TOS, the Consitiution Class was quite powerful (the episode with Nomad comes to mind among others). Back in the day, us Trekkers had "Star Fleet Battles" then FASA's Star Trek the role playing game. This was before TNG even. Both spent a lot of time creating depth and breath to the Star Trek universe. One commonality between the two iterations was the Federation was superior technology wise than the Klingons. The TOS Consitiution Class was easily a match for 3 D-7's. If memory serves, in the novelization of STTMP there is a part where Kirk is analyzing the Epsilon 9 data in which he realizes the K'tinga varient of the D-7 poses a potential shift in power along the neutral zone as the K'tinga is equal to if not superior to the Constitution. A factor he used to also influence starfleet to give him back the Enterprise. In FASA the refit is called the Enterprise Class while I'm drawing a blank as to the SFB one. Once the Consitiution refit (Enterprise class) was operational that class again shifted the balance back to the Federation as she was superior in every way to the K'tinga. Examples even from the movie/novel were these... (Novel) Faster. As previously mentioned. (Movie) Stronger shields. K'tinga's digitized with one direct hit from V'gers torpedoes (the last K'tinga as I understand was supposed to disable the torpedo with it's second shot but was severely damaged in the process as the V'ger torpedo dissolved a portion of her warp nacelle) while the Enterprise's shields held with 30% reserve after first torpedo impact.
@Bloody Irishman "Imperial Klingon Cruiser Amar, continuing to attack" is my big takeaway line from the film. 🙂 I have never understood why it was edited out of later releases. That one line perfectly sums up Klingon philosophy/battle tactics: 'The other ships of my squadron have been destroyed, my ship can't out run or outmaneuver the foe pursuing me, I see that my torpedoes are useless,.....fire another one!'
Very Nice work Jason T. I love this scene sooooo much, I seem to have it on mental repeat with a couple other particular RUclips vids who have done their own rework, now I'll have to add yours. I love the new quick pieces you were able to add to this. This entire scene + music is one of the all-time best ever in Sci-Fi film, in my book.
USS Columbia (NCC-621) HERMES SCOUT USS Revere (NCC-595) HERMES SCOUT USS Entente (NCC-2120) FEDERATION DREADNOUGHT USS Merrimac (NCC-1715) CONSTITUTION HEAVY CRUISER Love these minute references to other Starfleet assets. It's reasonable to assume they are all still in their TOS configuration as the TMP Refit for the Enterprise is a testbed for the entire Starfleet.
It has the added benefit of lending canonical credence to Franz Joseph's designs. Single and triple nacelles. I was very familiar with the technical manual when then movie came out in '79, and when I heard the Columbia/Revere rendezvous order, I got chills. I had to run home afterwards and check the manual to be sure I heard it right!!
Very well spliced. One thing I appreciate very much is that this was the original sound of the plasma bolts that V'ger shoots at the D-7s. I always imagined Hydran hellbore cannons to have that same sound.
Ahhh yes... the Star Fleet pyjama era. Looks like everyone on the station is dressed for a slumber party. :) Boldly going where no casual wear has gone before.
4:27 ... I always loved that low pitch plucked spring reverb (or maybe it's a guitar sound) when I first saw TMP in 1979. It's a unique sound & I've never heard it in any other movie. The reason is I used to play with the spring reverb in a Conn home/church manual organ that we owned (& still own) & the sound is very similar.
I've always loved that high-pitch Screech Photon Torpedoes make when they fire after the pop. But I have never understood why at least the last Klingon vessel didn't go into Warp? Live to fight another day.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and executed in every detail way shape and form and format indeed, And this has always been one of my favorite scenes from ST-TMP, A job very greatly well done indeed guys!,👌.
You got this VERY accurate with the actual deleted footage. I found the original deleted scenes after watching this and had to double check lol. Brilliant!
Holy crap that shot where they detonated the V'yger torpedo and it vaporized half the ship, that was such a no brainer as to why that second torpedo shot was left in, thats an astounding detail that your shot made much much clearer. And hell yes much more Klingon. I like the spacing of them actually seeing the ship being obliterated on their monitors, makes their reactions match up so much better. Man this sequence plays so much better here, I hope thats what the new 4k re-release plays like.
Absolutely fantastic. I love this film. Over all the trek films and I cant say why I always end up popping TMP on . And trust me I love all of them but I always go back to this, visually and thoughtfully provoking masterpiece.
As a Trekkie who watched endless reruns of the original series, when I saw this first scene of the movie with the Klingons actually looking like aliens and speaking Klingon I was just blown away.
So glad you were able to replicate the photon torpedo effect when you had the other K't'ingas firing (as was portrayed in the movie tie-in written by Gene Roddenberry). TMP has the best iteration of the photon torpedo effect (both visually and audibly). I remember when I was a kid seeing this on the big screen in '79, that photon torpedo effect stuck with me for life. The bright, blazing effect and the bang/whistle sound effect. Blew me away, and still does to this day. Star Trek Generations at least seemed to manage to recreate this effect, especially when the Enterprise D fired its one shot on the Bird of Prey. Also, nice touch with having the Amar take a partial hit when the point-blank torpedo shot struck the incoming V'ger attack.
@@pferreira1983 yeah, I know, I was somewhat kidding. I do also think it's a bit rude to label something as a DC if you're trying to change the work 15 years after the guy died. But I'm a pedant ;)
@@pferreira1983 oh my god, I was kidding ya fanny. I know Robert Wise did the director's cut. IT WAS A JOKE 🤪 My god, lighten up and stop mansplaining at me
Without the complete scenes of the original (and the director's cut), there are continuity gaps that make this sequence more of a synopsis than cohesive storytelling. Shorter doesn't make it better.
The one thing I never really understood. Unlike the Enterprise being assigned to stay and investigate, their warp engines were not disabled. If the Klingons made an attempt to turn and high-tail it outta there, why in the world didn't they just go to warp?
Klingon battle protocol differs from that of federation in such as they invest heavily into offensive and defensive capabilities and sublight manuevers there would be little resources left to prepare for a warp jump, they would have to sacrifice from one or more systems. In doing so they would leave themselves vulnerable to attack as power is being diverted from critical systems to the warp drive system to create the stable warp field necessary to make the jump.
@@leon419 ...Klingons aren't stupid. After seeing 1 ship vaporized using that tactic, much less 2, they would go to warp. There's really only 1 reason they didn't.... it wouldn't make it as exciting for the movie. lol
@@Condor1970 You seem to think a ship has unlimited power reserves and can jump to warp at will, at a seconds notice. There's calculating of safe entry and exit points, diverting of power etc not to mention the fact that once that button is pressed they can no longer return fire or make any course correction, they are committed. Also they are in close battle formation, they would have to reach minimum safe distance from each other.
I remember watching this when I worked at Radio Shack. It was on a Laser Disk. The video was right at the point where the Klingon commander said, "Evasive!" A customer who had come in to check out our stereos flipped the ON switch just as Lindsey Buckingham's sang, "... I think I'm in trouble..." *
I love the look and feel of the newly updated Star Trek universe. Even though the uniforms are panned... I love it. V'GER was an awesome opponent. Critics said this movie was too intellectual... that was the whole *point*. You can't fight it. You have to figure it out. You can't go play chess and whip out a phaser and shoot your opponent. And, we got the new look, with the action and suspense of a submarine battle in TWOK. This one is an excellent standalone in its context, but it took 30 years for me to love it. Excellent rework of the battle scene, BTW. Fun fact: The commander of the Epsilon 9 station was the same actor who was going to play the Vulcan Xon in Star Trek: Phase II.
I love how these feel like actual huge warships, from the bridge with its multiple gunnery stations to the ponderous evasive turn... even the bridge outside looks a warships conning-tower. The tactical displays, the neccessity of mulstiple stations to controll a 3D arced firing system... They don't move like fighter-planes like the newtrek ones, these feel like the hundreds of meters long warships they supposedly are. And of course the iconic klingon fanfare, so good that every ST series so far used it in some form. Tadaaa-tadaaa...dadadadada-dada-dadaa
Yeah, I really liked that too; they look like utilitarian warships, kind of like navy submarines. They're cramped and dimly lit, and it's obvious they are massively reinforced with heavy support beams full of hard angles and so on - and as you'd expect on a Klingon ship, most of that space is dedicated to the tactical systems. These are big warships, massively armed and armoured. They make a great contrast to the Federation ships, which are brightly lit, spacioous and all gentle curves.
I think this was the best of the Star Trek movies. this was made 44 years ago, I would like Paramount to redo the special effects as they did for the tv series.
I’ve been watching this battle in various forms since it aired on NBC movie of the week in the early 80s and I happened to tape it. Mainly for the Klingon theme. You’ve totally nailed it and made it better. Great job!
Easy to explain... the plot and subject matter is pretty much 45 minutes of content at proper pacing... enough for a 1 hour episode with commercial breaks... ST:TMP stretched 45 minutes of actual content into a 2-1/2 hour movie, stuffed with long sequences of, well not much... mostly "gee look at these special effect shots"... the pacing of ST:TMP is just terrible... it is very, Very, VERY long and grueling to watch... the plot and (distantly spaced-out) action and plot-movers are nice enough, but there's just far too much dead time in the movie... it's just terribly, terribly paced... and that's what 99% of the people who don't like the movie complain about... it's not the content or plot, so much as the terrible pacing and sheer boredom of the drawn-out movie.
Great job! Everyone seems to put this movie down, but I had seen it in the theater when it was first released. I was only 11 yrs old, and I was mesmerized by it. It was so different from Star Wars, and I loved them both but for different reasons. ST: TMP is a classic in my opinion.
Much better . Also adds more depth to building character understanding of VGER cloud ,the klingons , and how the Federation became aware. This looks less thrown together. Way to go !
WOW! Needless to say this is one of the best scenes from the movie and you edits and enhancements make it better. I love the Klingon Battle Anthem and my only stupid comment to this would be to add more base and really bring the sound up! This really glorifies the Klingon Empire and I suspect would make this awesome video over the top. Nicely Done!
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Even after 40 years, the Klingon Battle Theme is still one of the best and most iconic songs of the franchise, and in my opinion, one of the best songs ever put to film. An absolute classic!
Totally agree, forgot Kirk saying Kahnnnnnn! In Wrath of Kahn, the battle scene with VGER is the most rememberable. The music for this scene also great too.
Look up the version of the Klingon music as a piano solo.
@@mattosullivan9687 Just did. I really loved it. Thanks for the recommendation!
@@What.99 I can picture a little kid rolling that out at a piano recital, then rolling out Freebird
You can tell it's a Klingon scene by the musical score.
Ah yes, THAT'S more Klingon..a huge salvo of torpedoes from all three cruisers!
you would think such a large cloud they would sent a fleet of ships and maybe they would stood a chance
@@mikefuston4494 It would have definitely taken longer. But given the size of V'Ger and the vast distance between the initial cloud boundaries and the vessel itself it's unlikely that any invasion fleet could get close enough to deal any appreciable damage before being digitized by V'Ger's High Energy Plasma Torpedoes.
It's pretty blatant in the film that had it any inclination to do so, V'Ger would've been able to annihilate the entire Alpha Quadrant, if not the galaxy, of its carbon unit infestation. There's not the slightest doubt in my mind that Spock's words were exactly accurate, he saw that it had explored "whole galaxies", placing the Machine Planet that redesigned it far, FAR beyond anywhere the Federation knows to this day.
@@VampireYoshi Oh yes, it wouldn't have mattered. Just struck me as MORE Klingon for the ships to throw an insane number of torpedoes at V'Ger, not just three. I especially love the shot of the photon torpedo just vanishing as it struck the V'Ger torpedo. Not even a pin prick to that thing. :)
Why couldn't the Klingon ships use warp drive to get out
That last, desperate torpedo launch after the Klingon shields absorbed V'ger's first attack is awesome.
The aft torpedo
@@fargeeks they obviously needed more than a single tube.
I always thought so too.
@@captbart3185 Needed to jump to warp speed ASAP, is what they needed
@@frankpinmtl probably not possible for their culture as it would appear to be running from a fight. Cowardice in the face of the enemy. I thought “ scatter and warp out and get the intelligence to HQ” but that isn’t the Klingon way.
Love that Klingon music. Wished they had used it more in the movies.
It's so basic. Unimaginative
@@robzilla730 how so
@@valleyforgeproductions it's boring
@@robzilla730 to each his own, I liked it because it seemed to fit the scene well. Strange but also somewhat warlike with the trumpets
@@valleyforgeproductions Scanners indicate we actually made the troll stronger Captain. We almost seemed to feed it.
I don't know why this movie gets so much flack, I always enjoy it.
I also enjoyed it and didn't know it was as bad as people claim. Ignorance is bliss I guess.
@@AlphaTrion92 is this all I am? I remember people hating Blade Runner when it came out because they were expecting Han Solo fights killer androids. Took years for the view point on that to turn around.
I enjoy it but I think alot of Trek fans thought it was too slow & too serious compared to later films and the tv series.
Yes, you have to also love Mark Lenard as the Klingon Commander, ❤️
Because it was boring. Most of the movie we watch the crew of the Enterprise sitting and watching things on a monitor.
Fun Fact - that is Mark Lenard (Sarek) playing the Klingon commander in this scene 😊
By this time Mark Leonard had played all three (at the time) main aliens in Star Trek: Romulan, Vulcan and Klingon.
@@nicholasdickens2801 quite possibly Jeffery Combs inspiration! ;)
i guess I'm kinda off topic but do anybody know of a good website to stream newly released series online?
@Santiago Chad Meh try Flixportal. Just search on google for it:D -cory
@Cory Cade Thank you, signed up and it seems to work =) I really appreciate it !
This Klingon battle scene is one of the best Star Trek movie scenes ever filmed, due to the fact that, because it’s so brief it leaves you wanting more.
Yes, and we had to wait for ST:II for that.
Not really.
Love this movie for its dead serious tone, characters, mystery/suspense, and music.
Ya. The ‘84 Dune movie gets flack for being serious from the first minute to the last but is still engaging. So is TMP.
It has an epic feel. I always like it.
This is great. It also reminds me just how good the music was in this movie.
The Klingon theme from TMP was always my fav next to all the stuff from ST II.
@@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 Mine too. It's right up there among the greatest sci-fi music ever written.
@@christiangibbs1482 agreed, you hear that music and all you can think is "here comes the Klingons, get ready for some good stuff". You know there is going to be a battle
And sadly that's all that was exceptional about the movie I remember the huge expectation at the time and then Variety started reporting all sorts of rumours about how badly it was going Rumours about trying to cope with Shatner and his 'script changes' Nimoy who didn't want to be in the movie Trumbull who eventually agreed to step in and 'repair' the awful special effects Nichelle Nichols who had reputedly had many 'heated debates' with Shatner The final scene and the awful claustrophobic set The massive cost over run and the very serious chance the movie would not be finished on time That's why the movie is rarely shown A sad and sorry story of a studio and certain actors who made a movie purely to cash in on what remains the longest running franchise in the entertainment industry
@@nyrongristwood Wouldnt be a franchise without this movie)
Overheard in the briefing room...
Klingon captain: OK guys, there's this huge cloud coming our way. We don't know anything about it, but top brass says go check it out.
Klingon officer: Are we gonna shoot at it?
Klingon captain: Only hell yeah!
@Pat Smith Yup that about does it :)
“It is a good day to die…”
Klingons in those ships upon arriving in Sto'Vo'Kor...
"V'ger turned us into data patterns... FOR THE GLORY OF THE EMPIRE!"
"Should we report this to Starfleet?" Captain Sulu: "Are you kidding?"
Shields!!! Shields!!!
Fly her apart!
"The Klingon battle with the cloud originated at bearing three two three, mark seven five. Location... It's Praxis, sir. It's a Klingon moon."
"Any more data?"
"I have confirmed the location of Praxis, sir, but..."
"What is it?"
"I cannot confirm the existence of Praxis"
Chancellor Gorkon: Well... I see we have a long way to go.
Captain Spock: Mr. Scott, I understand you're having difficulty with the warp drive. How much time do you require for repair?
Captain Scott: There's nothing wrong with the bloody thing...
Captain Spock: Mr. Scott, if we return to Spacedock, the assassins will surely find a way to dispose of their incriminating footwear, and we will never see the Captain or Doctor McCoy alive again.
Captain Scott: Could take weeks, sir.
Captain Spock: Thank you, Mr. Scott.
The song of my people: anyone who can quote ST6 from beginning to end from memory.
A new director’s cut was released this year … saw this scene so many times that I could utter all the Klingon phrases! Saw it as a 6 year old back in 1979.
😂Same! I bet if we were in a rerelease of the movie in a theater we'd have everyone yelling at us to shut up!🤣🤣
I was exactly the same age as you but had to wait until it came out on TV and I could video tape it and play this scene over and over! 😂
I love the 4K release. I saw this on its big screen debut when I was ten, and was blown away. What I love about the 4K release is that they actually reworked some of the newer digital FX shots that were done for the 2000 Special Director's Edition...and these new shots in the 4K release actually accounted for certain events in the film. Seeing the first Klingon cruiser get blipped off the tactical display at Epsilon IX, and seeing the Enterprise make a heading correction when it traverses over V'ger, and then turns so that it's facing the aperture of the intruder vessel. Little touches like that made the 4K release the definitive version of TMP for me.
In the the original storyboards the lead Klingon ship survives after its engine is damaged and is last seen careening out of control flying towards then past the past the camera.
Do you know where one could see the storyboards?
Yes I'd heard that about the last one surviving. Would have preferred to have seen that to be honest.
The bit with bridge getting fried, or whatever it was, belonged to the 2nd ship that was attacked.
@@IAmPegasus I think the bridge getting fried was supposed supposed to be the second ship as well as the captain has mysteriously disappeared from his chair.
OK I really Like the change that the Last klingon D7 actually took a Hit from that Plasma weapon cause the Last Photon Torpedo shortly before impact actually seemed to have weakened it!
That torpedo hit was in the original movie version, but it was harder to see. I had to slow the video down and go frame to frame to see it, but it's there. In this version, however, it is much more obvious, and easier to see.
@@briancooper4959 thanks but No worries, i know that it was there but it had seemingly No real Effect on the Energy weapon and was indeed harder to See, that it why I Like this Version much more xD
@@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701 I agree!
Those were the newer K’tinga class cruisers, not D7s.
@@danivarius true although the D7 and K'tinga class Look 95% the same
TMP gets panned but it was vastly better than it gets credit for. And it still, along with Wrath of Khan, has THE best music score in all of the Star Trek movies. RIP James Horner :(
Still one of the best "Sci-Fi" movies out there. The other ST movies were more character driven. This one was more Sci-Fi driven.
It is Jerry Goldsmith who composed the score of this movie, it was definitely great
@@Eric_Malbos Both Goldsmith and Horner absolutely killed it.... before you even see anything on screen, you know you're sitting down to "a MOVIE", as Natalie Gold would say. I once played an open mic where the showcase act was a friend who plays violin and flute, all styles. One theme of the night was "Can anyone stump Eve?" When it was my turn I stood with my guitar and said, "Can you do Ilia's Theme?" and she was like, hell yeah, and we improv'ed our way through it, her better than me. To this day I don't even know if she likes science fiction that much, but she sure as hell knew her Jerry Goldsmith licks.
"So anyway we started blastin"
- the Klingons
"That was uncalled for."
- Vger
I love that the actor who plays Sarak, who also played the romulan Captain, is also the Klingon Captain. That is only my memory, so this may not be right, but if it is, then I think he is the only actor to play all 3 major powers. What a wonderful short. Great Job...
Just a heads up. The actor was Mark Lenard R.I.P.
This was really cool. Liked the added resistance and the final second torpedo. The desperate last second shot really adds to the moment.
Can one even imagine the terror of watching your squadron's destruction and yet another plazma weapon coming straight for you?
I'd always wondered what happened to that first cruiser - plus the placement of the Klingon crew getting thrown around seemed weird in the original cut. This arrangement makes absolute perfect sense.
Totally agree. There had to be more to the battle than the one shots shown in the theatrical release.
@@mshnman There were more scenes of this battle sequence filmed for the movie. However, they were edited out. I've seen some of the deleted scenes posted somewhere on RUclips before. I'm not sure why the battle was shortened. I think it would have been better to include all of it.
I saw the original in a theater. V GER fired upon a war bird and patterned it. Just before the Klingon commander shouts EVASIVE!
They must have been traveling at warp as they seemed unable to exit the quadrant, let alone out run the plasma balls. That was never explained.
The budget made it disappear, the cloud was the scapegoat.
The battle was shortened by the request of the studio to shorten the movie and hopefully get more viewings during the day. Robert Wise was not happy that they were insisting on the cuts, but he did what they asked and added them back later in the Director's Cut.
Also the original effects company was way behind schedule with the majority of the optical effects and they had to get ILM in to help (working 24 hour shifts), so they could meet the release date on time. From what I gathered that's why ILM did the effects for all the subsequent Star Trek movies, except for Star Trek V and that was for lower budget reasons.
Fantastic job! I always had a soft spot for that movie; especially the first scene with the redesigned Klingons and their newly made-up language. Thanks James Doohan!
I loved the way Warf explained that difference in the DS9/original Star Trek “ Trouble with Tribbles” mash up! Warf’s “we don’t talk about it” was a perfect way to deal with the problem.
What did Doohan have to do with it?
@@seanryan3020 - James Doohan developed the Klingon sound for the first Trek film before Marc Okrand developed it into a more useable language for later movies. It was mostly just barked commands. He recorded them on tape and gave them to Mark Lenard to learn and deliver (as the Klingon captain).
@@tanisdevelopment Oh, OK. I was going to mention Okrand, but you already addressed it. Thanks.
This version of 'Klingons' I think I could have tolerated in the subsequent TV shows, instead of what they finished up with, which always seemed to take more from Christopher Lloyd's Star Trek III version.
IN THE MOTION PICTURE: They have automatic Klingon translation
IN STAR TREK 6: "we iz carrying stuff to Rura Penthe" PASS ME THE DICTIONARY AND ENCYCLOPEDIA CADET!!!
Its like in nightmares where you are trying to run as fast as you can while being chased, but you're moving in slow motion 😂🤣
And when you try to speak you have numb-tongue like Kirk did. Lol. You can fix that, just think like Neo and know that you can control your dreams.
I've always wondered why they just didn't go to warp!
@@billboehm7256 according to the novelization, this entire battle took place at high warp
Now that's Star Trek dammit!!!
Love the music for this section. And firing more torpedoes makes more sense than the few in the original film.
I still love this movie.
The refit Enterprise is breath taking. So very beautiful.
Thank you for the additional scenes.
Nicely done, thanks for uploading. The way the music melds with seeing three Klingon D7s in formation is one of my favorite scenes of all time.
I made the music from this scene my ringtone for years! It was great because it was easy to distinguish from other ringtones and inspired me to answer quickly.
But V'Ger is still not green. That was how it was in the cinema release. Blue V'Ger is the TV showings and later.
This is why Klingon ships are mostly green, after all. The model kits and pics from this movie established that after this film and all the subsequent films, but for Q'Onos 1 in the Shakespeare-misquoting movie.
The models made for the first film were actually bare metal colour, reflecting the colour of V'Ger.
Hmm
Thank you.
I saw this in the theater on opening night. As I was watching this scene, I thought I was going to see the greatest sci-fi movie of all time, but alas, no. The music is amazing, it captures the Klingon spirit to a T.
Now in this reworked scene, seeing the multiple ships firing, and a second barage, yeah that's Klingon. This is so much better.
Thanks again!
Me too! I was there as a teen. I thought I was about to see the greatest thing my Star Trek-starved eyes had ever seen! But alas, we got a reworked NOMAD. Redemption in the form of Wrath of Khan was just a few years away.
I enjoyed this movie thoroughly. The music for the Klingons was So fitting.
It took me several years to realize that the machine voice was supposed to be the Epsilon IX computer translating the Amar's message.
For years I wondered if Star Fleet had broken Klingon communications encoding or were the Klingons transmitting in the "clear"?
Has anyone ever seen "Run Silent, Run Deep" from 1958, a submarine warfare film, also directed by Robert Wise? Seems like there's a little bit of Run Silent, Run Deep in this picture. It's said that Wise learned every detail of how the WWII electromechanical targeting computers worked, and made sure that the sets for the submarine were anatomically correct and showed the right firing solutions. No wonder he was also good at making science fiction films.
Several WW2 movies show up in Star Trek and even Star Wars. The battle with the first cloaked Romulan ship is almost a carbon copy of "The Enemy Below" and the first Star Wars is "A Yankee in the RAF". Good plots seem to hang around; even Forbidden Planet is based on Shakespeare - "The Tempest" IIFC.
This opening scene was absolutely exciting for TRUE Star Trek fans. At this point in the Star Trek episodes, To see three Klingon battle cruisers in battle, with such detailed excellence is a rare sight, and an exciting one. And the beautiful, but deadly anti matter Photon torpedoes, which are beautifully done here is amazing. The musical score representing the Klingons as a warrior species is perfect, and still a standard reference to this day... Vger's Appropriate response, and weapons are qually beautiful, and spectacular. .Superb work, well done....
It was a stroke of genius to open the film with the most badass species in the universe getting their asses handed to them. It immediately characterized the threat as insurmountable. In my opinion this movie was brilliant from start to finish. It showed the vastness of the ST universe, and set up everything to follow. ST TMP deserves more historical credit. As a matter of fact, the Oort Cloud fly-thru remains the only thing comparable to the similar sequence in 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Thank you! I was so excited when I first saw that demo real a year ago and realized that there was in fact more to the battle that was actually filmed, but that it was ultimate cut for whatever reason (I'm sure it wasn't for pacing LOL). Finally the shot of the bridge crew being knocked around as Epsilon 9 watched made sense, as I could never figure out what made the ship lurch like that given that V'Ger didn't use conventional weapons. But I was disappointed when I realized that we would probably never see that version as it was originally intended given the pore quality of the images that survived.
But thanks to you, now we can see it! You not only did a great job recreating the missing effects shots, but also with the re-editing. Seriously, you could splice this into an HD version of the film and it would fit in seamlessly - as if it always belonged.
Interesting fact the station commander was part of Star trek phase II's cast to replace Spock as Nimoy didn't want to be involved in tv again
I’ve seen much of your videos and I must say the amount of work you put into them is mind boggling. Very realistic, and many are superior to the originals. Hollywood needs to hire you.
This makes more sense when the Starfleet crewman ask "who are they fighting?"
It makes sense they continued to fire as they retreated. Fantastic job!
I keep rooting for the Klingons. Would have solved a lot of problems if they won.
Don't worry. The Klingons have only been put into V'gers archive under section K.
I love that opening scene! The music was great.
Boy, wasn't that Demo reel something else? I remember seeing it on December 31st just minutes away from New Years. To see visual effects unseen and existing effects uncut and open matte was a dream come true. Thank you for your efforts in incorporating them back in!
You must have been one of the first to see it after I uploaded it that same night! I'm happy so many people appreciated seeing it. If I find anything else like that demo reel, I'll definitely upload it as well.
@@robakaspock8456 Oh yeah! I remember how you originally uploaded it without music and later with music. Glad they didn't strike that one down! Even Jeff Bond over at Facebook said he would have gone nuts as a kid if they had kept in the shot of the other two Klingon Cruisers firing their torpedoes.
This was truly an incredible discovery and I'm very thankful to you that you uploaded it. I have a friend who worked on the Director's Edition who said they were given access to everything TMP related and even he never saw anything from this tape.
@@Kalaida Yeah I had heard that (about people working on the Director's Edition), it's possible that Paramount hadn't kept that footage, so the only copy happened to be from the demo reel done by the effects company.
Klingons firing ineffectively at V'Ger's weapon is spot on. Nicely done. 3:33
Thank you for depicting the Klingon shields withstanding one hit before destruction. Later releases tried to shorten the battle by showing the kligon cruisers incinerating after just one hit. Another way to shorten the battle would have been to show multiple plasma weapons on way to target (as you did with the torpedoes) instead of just one at a time, as in the original.
Nice editing, I really wish they’d done it this way. The middle partial disintegration of the Klingon ship I feel added to the dramatic action sequence. Also the extra Torpedo shot at the V’ger weapon was beautifully done.
I am thinking these aren't disintegrations, they're being transported into V'Gers' memory banks buffers, into storage to be downloaded later, which we did not get to see.
If you mean the shot just before the V'ger weapon struck from the rear, it was in the original film too but it was so brief that most people missed it. When I first saw it happen on-screen in the theatre I only realised what I'd seen a few seconds after it happened, and I wasn't sure I'd remembered it correctly until I saw it a second time, much later.
Well done indeed. Too much cloud scenes, had to cut something out.
Very nicely done! I must admit as to all the fan remakes of this battle sequence yours is the best overall IMO. While the graphics with time will improve I'm sure, the attention to details of what transpired is unmatched. Having the IKC Amar continuing to attack is an example. Also really like your creativity with the final few shots from the fleeing K'tinga. One thing I've never understood was the other 2 K'tinga's doing nothing while the Amar fired. Now I understand why the Klingons would have attacked something as immense as Vger (think Leonidas against the Persians mentality) but why would only one ship attack? Originally, Vger was "over 82 AU's in diameter..." directly quoted from the movie and later edited to 2 AU's in varion special edition releases. For perspective Pluto is approximately 39.5 AU's from the sun. So theoretically this cloud twice as big as the rough orbit of Pluto from the sun is attacked and the Klingons think only 3 torpedoes will get the job done!?!? Klingons are bad-ass but not THAT bad-ass... At least in your awesome rendition every ship is defending the Empire!
In regards to the other posting question about battling in warp if you would indulge me...
Roddenberry back in the 60's consulted with NASA on many aspects of the show wanting to keep Star Trek as closely based on science as possible. One major issue was the distances involved in traveling. To keep the Enterprise from having to be a generational ship due to the times needed to travel the vast distances and to allow the shows stories to be told in a single episode format bingo...warp drive became a reality. Back to the NASA advisors, they then brought to light that while in warp nobody could shoot as the Enterprise would quite literally outrun what we knew at the time as the fastest weapon...a laser. Roddenberrys experience with being in the military was another influencing factor. The fix; a torpedo. In Star Trek, a Photon Torpedo to be more precise. In terms of navel combat they're very deadly and far faster than the vessels they are intended to destroy. So the powers that be conceptualized the photon torpedo as being the only FTL (faster than light) weapon in the Federations arsenal. An added bonus for Roddenberry is it gave him a story tool that would allow the Enterprise to do things while at warp instead of having to come up with a reason to slow down all the time.
In the case of V'ger, it was traveling to see what it deemed as its God/creator. To quote ST:TMP again, "its knowledge has reached the limits of this universe and it must evolve ", so a few Klingons although interesting in the sense of a new lifeform to add to V'gers database would not warrant slowing down and possibly delaying its moment in destiny with its God. The Klingons being Klingons attacked V'ger head on while it was warping through their territory per the novelization. This explains two things; one why you never see any form of phasers or disrupters being used...the vessels would have outrun anything being fired and why the K'tingas trying to escape were so slow in doing so. V'ger was traveling at close to the K'tinga's maximum warp greatly reducing their ability to escape with any haste. A side note not commonly know is thanks to Epsilon 9's sensor data and the Enterprise's newly enhanced and faster warp drive , the Enterprise actually flew around V'ger and approached from the rear. That is why once they traverse the cloud and approach the vessel itself they approach V'ger from the stern then fly over to the bow and finally enter.
Very well thought out synopsis. I’m curious what’s your take on Kurtzman Trek. I’m not going to lie I’m not a fan and after seeing channels like Major Grin point out all the super obvious continuity breaks to prior established lore and the ridiculous re-characterization of certain major characters, I can’t reconcile as these being real Trek shows at the core. I don’t hate people or attack those who truly enjoy it but I can’t make sense as someone who’s been a fan since the late 70s of the negativity inserted into the story and the reverse of Genes ideal that humanity has moved passed all the petty foibles that plagued us before advancing to what Gene wanted to present. One thing I’ll say that even if it wasn’t labeled with the Trek moniker, the shows biases and over attention at virtue signaling would’ve turned me off regardless. I’m a major sci-fi geek and even I couldn’t enjoy it as a non trek sci-fi show.
Just to be clear though shows like the Expanse I can’t get enough of. Excellent writing and attention to detail. It’s diverse without feeling forced like TOS. It doesn’t make one side the “good guys” and really just tries to show humanity at its best and worst. Those are the kinds of shows and stories I can get behind. I can’t believe though the genre has declined so much after living through the late 90s and early 2000s when we had so many Trek series, X-files, all the Stargate shows, Dr Who’s return, Red Dwarf and Farscape. I’m sure I’ve missed a bunch but it sure was a great time to live through. To me that was another golden age of sci-fi TV that I hope swings back around someday.
So, the K'tinga didn't go to warp to escape because they were already at maximum warp?
@@1701echopapa Yes according to the novelization. The K'tinga's were traveling at close to maximum warp to initially engage the V'ger threat that entered their territory before it traveled through it to then enter Federation territory. While not cannon this information sheds light on the encounter and why it happened the way it did. In the FASA role playing board game Star Trek, the area of space is described as "The Triangle". This is where the Federation, Romulan and Klingon Empire come together forming a roughly triangular shaped area that is basically a neutral area between the 3 powers. V'Ger was traveling through the narrow point where the Federation and Klingon Empire meet.
@Pat Smith Well, what has been set as cannon now thanks to the series Enterprise (I have no clue what discovery or picard has done) is difficult to rationalize now.
As we could see in the TOS, the Consitiution Class was quite powerful (the episode with Nomad comes to mind among others). Back in the day, us Trekkers had "Star Fleet Battles" then FASA's Star Trek the role playing game. This was before TNG even. Both spent a lot of time creating depth and breath to the Star Trek universe. One commonality between the two iterations was the Federation was superior technology wise than the Klingons. The TOS Consitiution Class was easily a match for 3 D-7's. If memory serves, in the novelization of STTMP there is a part where Kirk is analyzing the Epsilon 9 data in which he realizes the K'tinga varient of the D-7 poses a potential shift in power along the neutral zone as the K'tinga is equal to if not superior to the Constitution. A factor he used to also influence starfleet to give him back the Enterprise. In FASA the refit is called the Enterprise Class while I'm drawing a blank as to the SFB one. Once the Consitiution refit (Enterprise class) was operational that class again shifted the balance back to the Federation as she was superior in every way to the K'tinga. Examples even from the movie/novel were these...
(Novel) Faster. As previously mentioned.
(Movie) Stronger shields. K'tinga's digitized with one direct hit from V'gers torpedoes (the last K'tinga as I understand was supposed to disable the torpedo with it's second shot but was severely damaged in the process as the V'ger torpedo dissolved a portion of her warp nacelle) while the Enterprise's shields held with 30% reserve after first torpedo impact.
@Bloody Irishman "Imperial Klingon Cruiser Amar, continuing to attack" is my big takeaway line from the film. 🙂
I have never understood why it was edited out of later releases.
That one line perfectly sums up Klingon philosophy/battle tactics: 'The other ships of my squadron have been destroyed, my ship can't out run or outmaneuver the foe pursuing me, I see that my torpedoes are useless,.....fire another one!'
Very Nice work Jason T. I love this scene sooooo much, I seem to have it on mental repeat with a couple other particular RUclips vids who have done their own rework, now I'll have to add yours. I love the new quick pieces you were able to add to this. This entire scene + music is one of the all-time best ever in Sci-Fi film, in my book.
USS Columbia (NCC-621)
HERMES SCOUT
USS Revere (NCC-595)
HERMES SCOUT
USS Entente (NCC-2120)
FEDERATION DREADNOUGHT
USS Merrimac (NCC-1715)
CONSTITUTION HEAVY CRUISER
Love these minute references to other Starfleet assets. It's reasonable to assume they are all still in their TOS configuration as the TMP Refit for the Enterprise is a testbed for the entire Starfleet.
It has the added benefit of lending canonical credence to Franz Joseph's designs. Single and triple nacelles. I was very familiar with the technical manual when then movie came out in '79, and when I heard the Columbia/Revere rendezvous order, I got chills. I had to run home afterwards and check the manual to be sure I heard it right!!
The great Jerry Goldsmith!!! What do I miss him!!! The usage of the blaster beam instrument is fantastic. (That metal sounding sound)
Very well spliced. One thing I appreciate very much is that this was the original sound of the plasma bolts that V'ger shoots at the D-7s. I always imagined Hydran hellbore cannons to have that same sound.
Ahhh yes... the Star Fleet pyjama era. Looks like everyone on the station is dressed for a slumber party. :)
Boldly going where no casual wear has gone before.
Has nothing to do with this man's great reworking of the scene.
4:27 ... I always loved that low pitch plucked spring reverb (or maybe it's a guitar sound) when I first saw TMP in 1979. It's a unique sound & I've never heard it in any other movie. The reason is I used to play with the spring reverb in a Conn home/church manual organ that we owned (& still own) & the sound is very similar.
That is called a "blaster beam", and it was innovated by Jerry Goldsmith for this film.
Was used extensively in '79 Meteor too.
@@jamiebraswell5520 Craig Huxley invented it. Goldsmith hired him to create sounds for the score.
I enjoyed this alot. Much better than the theatrical release. A job well done sir. 😎👍
Maybe attacking something the size of a solar system is not the brightest of ideas.
I've always loved that high-pitch Screech Photon Torpedoes make when they fire after the pop. But I have never understood why at least the last Klingon vessel didn't go into Warp? Live to fight another day.
Battle? Vger freaking ATE those battle cruisers as a between meal snack. Great job on rework!
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and executed in every detail way shape and form and format indeed, And this has always been one of my favorite scenes from ST-TMP, A job very greatly well done indeed guys!,👌.
You got this VERY accurate with the actual deleted footage. I found the original deleted scenes after watching this and had to double check lol. Brilliant!
Are there any links to the footage?
@@TheRealNormanBates ruclips.net/video/qoDxunCN9NI/видео.html
@@richardched6085 thanks!
Holy crap that shot where they detonated the V'yger torpedo and it vaporized half the ship, that was such a no brainer as to why that second torpedo shot was left in, thats an astounding detail that your shot made much much clearer. And hell yes much more Klingon. I like the spacing of them actually seeing the ship being obliterated on their monitors, makes their reactions match up so much better. Man this sequence plays so much better here, I hope thats what the new 4k re-release plays like.
So I'm guessing that the Klingons haven't discovered "warp drive".
the cloud may disrupt warp fields out beyond the rang of conventional weapons
They were engaging at warp (7?) to begin with.
They are at warp. The cloud is 82 u.a, ± 8 billion miles according to Memory Alpha.
Fact this whole scene even in the novel takes place at warp.
Absolutely fantastic. I love this film. Over all the trek films and I cant say why I always end up popping TMP on . And trust me I love all of them but I always go back to this, visually and thoughtfully provoking masterpiece.
Allot of people did not like the first movie....our family LOVED it, and I especially loved the Klingon music from the scene!
Sarek undercover as a klingon
That was AWESOME!!! It felt more real than the original! NICE!!
As a Trekkie who watched endless reruns of the original series, when I saw this first scene of the movie with the Klingons actually looking like aliens and speaking Klingon I was just blown away.
So glad you were able to replicate the photon torpedo effect when you had the other K't'ingas firing (as was portrayed in the movie tie-in written by Gene Roddenberry). TMP has the best iteration of the photon torpedo effect (both visually and audibly). I remember when I was a kid seeing this on the big screen in '79, that photon torpedo effect stuck with me for life. The bright, blazing effect and the bang/whistle sound effect. Blew me away, and still does to this day. Star Trek Generations at least seemed to manage to recreate this effect, especially when the Enterprise D fired its one shot on the Bird of Prey. Also, nice touch with having the Amar take a partial hit when the point-blank torpedo shot struck the incoming V'ger attack.
I really like that Klingon theme
It's so basic. Unimaginative
@@robzilla730 Do better.
@@AtlasIsShruggingNow I'm not a filmmaker. I'm a member of the paying audience. Anyway, the whole movie was boring AF
Not bad at all! Cool and different!
When they do the 4K Director's Cut this should be a part of that cut!
They'll need more technology than 4K to get the original director to re-cut and include this ;)
@@alifloydtv The DC was already done. It just needs the CG to be redone in HD.
@@pferreira1983 yeah, I know, I was somewhat kidding. I do also think it's a bit rude to label something as a DC if you're trying to change the work 15 years after the guy died. But I'm a pedant ;)
@@alifloydtv Again the DC OR DE was supervised by Robert Wise when he was alive so it is a Directors Edition regardless.
@@pferreira1983 oh my god, I was kidding ya fanny. I know Robert Wise did the director's cut. IT WAS A JOKE 🤪 My god, lighten up and stop mansplaining at me
This is awesome :) I'm glad I posted it when I realized most people had never seen that footage before!
Come to think about it all these years later. It's almost exactly like Braniac returning to Earth.
Very nice re-work of that famous scene!!!
This movie when I was 4 is the reason I fell in love with star trek now 38 still love it.
Without the complete scenes of the original (and the director's cut), there are continuity gaps that make this sequence more of a synopsis than cohesive storytelling. Shorter doesn't make it better.
The one thing I never really understood. Unlike the Enterprise being assigned to stay and investigate, their warp engines were not disabled.
If the Klingons made an attempt to turn and high-tail it outta there, why in the world didn't they just go to warp?
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@Stew Bedazzle lol ...BS! They were turnin', burnin', and high tailin' it outta there. Klingons will readily withdraw when victory is impossible.
Klingon battle protocol differs from that of federation in such as they invest heavily into offensive and defensive capabilities and sublight manuevers there would be little resources left to prepare for a warp jump, they would have to sacrifice from one or more systems. In doing so they would leave themselves vulnerable to attack as power is being diverted from critical systems to the warp drive system to create the stable warp field necessary to make the jump.
@@leon419 ...Klingons aren't stupid. After seeing 1 ship vaporized using that tactic, much less 2, they would go to warp. There's really only 1 reason they didn't.... it wouldn't make it as exciting for the movie. lol
@@Condor1970 You seem to think a ship has unlimited power reserves and can jump to warp at will, at a seconds notice. There's calculating of safe entry and exit points, diverting of power etc not to mention the fact that once that button is pressed they can no longer return fire or make any course correction, they are committed. Also they are in close battle formation, they would have to reach minimum safe distance from each other.
Great work!! 👍🏼👍🏼
I remember watching this when I worked at Radio Shack. It was on a Laser Disk. The video was right at the point where the Klingon commander said, "Evasive!" A customer who had come in to check out our stereos flipped the ON switch just as Lindsey Buckingham's sang, "... I think I'm in trouble..."
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I love the look and feel of the newly updated Star Trek universe. Even though the uniforms are panned... I love it. V'GER was an awesome opponent. Critics said this movie was too intellectual... that was the whole *point*. You can't fight it. You have to figure it out. You can't go play chess and whip out a phaser and shoot your opponent. And, we got the new look, with the action and suspense of a submarine battle in TWOK. This one is an excellent standalone in its context, but it took 30 years for me to love it. Excellent rework of the battle scene, BTW.
Fun fact: The commander of the Epsilon 9 station was the same actor who was going to play the Vulcan Xon in Star Trek: Phase II.
"We have an exterior visual..." "Good thing we put out all those space camera's."
I love how these feel like actual huge warships, from the bridge with its multiple gunnery stations to the ponderous evasive turn... even the bridge outside looks a warships conning-tower. The tactical displays, the neccessity of mulstiple stations to controll a 3D arced firing system... They don't move like fighter-planes like the newtrek ones, these feel like the hundreds of meters long warships they supposedly are.
And of course the iconic klingon fanfare, so good that every ST series so far used it in some form. Tadaaa-tadaaa...dadadadada-dada-dadaa
Yeah, I really liked that too; they look like utilitarian warships, kind of like navy submarines. They're cramped and dimly lit, and it's obvious they are massively reinforced with heavy support beams full of hard angles and so on - and as you'd expect on a Klingon ship, most of that space is dedicated to the tactical systems. These are big warships, massively armed and armoured. They make a great contrast to the Federation ships, which are brightly lit, spacioous and all gentle curves.
Nice job. Made the Klingon attack more real. All 3 Klingon ships firing torpedoes
Always love watching the Klingons running from V’ger. First time I’ve seen that 👍🏻
Glad you explained the Klingons getting flung around on the view screen rather than it never being explained
That music... still some of the best ever used in Star Trek.
I like the way you reworked the scenes a little. Ramps up the action nicely.
Outstandingly well done!! And that is the Klingon way: shoot first and most.
I think this was the best of the Star Trek movies. this was made 44 years ago, I would like Paramount to redo the special effects as they did for the tv series.
I’ve been watching this battle in various forms since it aired on NBC movie of the week in the early 80s and I happened to tape it. Mainly for the Klingon theme. You’ve totally nailed it and made it better. Great job!
I don´t even know why people go crazy over this movie, it is perfect!!!!!
Easy to explain... the plot and subject matter is pretty much 45 minutes of content at proper pacing... enough for a 1 hour episode with commercial breaks... ST:TMP stretched 45 minutes of actual content into a 2-1/2 hour movie, stuffed with long sequences of, well not much... mostly "gee look at these special effect shots"... the pacing of ST:TMP is just terrible... it is very, Very, VERY long and grueling to watch... the plot and (distantly spaced-out) action and plot-movers are nice enough, but there's just far too much dead time in the movie... it's just terribly, terribly paced... and that's what 99% of the people who don't like the movie complain about... it's not the content or plot, so much as the terrible pacing and sheer boredom of the drawn-out movie.
Great job! Everyone seems to put this movie down, but I had seen it in the theater when it was first released. I was only 11 yrs old, and I was mesmerized by it. It was so different from Star Wars, and I loved them both but for different reasons. ST: TMP is a classic in my opinion.
Nice reworking of a pivotal sequence! Greatly underrated movie.
I like how one ship stayed behind to cover the retreat of the other two ships.
The Klingon theme song is awesome and badass, Right up there with the Imperial March theme.
Don't underestimate clouds.
Hey guys, there’s a cloud the size of a solar system surrounding an obvious super powerful ship, we should totally launch torpedoes at it.
Verry interesting change near the end when the plasma attack digitalized only part of the ship. 👌
Better than the Original. You did outstanding work.
Much better . Also adds more depth to building character understanding of VGER cloud ,the klingons , and how the Federation became aware. This looks less thrown together. Way to go !
:59-1:09 I can't stop watching this part. It's so good.
WOW! Needless to say this is one of the best scenes from the movie and you edits and enhancements make it better. I love the Klingon Battle Anthem and my only stupid comment to this would be to add more base and really bring the sound up! This really glorifies the Klingon Empire and I suspect would make this awesome video over the top. Nicely Done!