Ricardo said, "Why would I want to do this I'm hardly in it?" Then he read the script and figured that he was mentioned on almost every page and figured it would be a good career move.
Nicholas Meyer is that first breath of fresh air a lot of Star Trek has gotten from time to time. Michael Piller for TNG, Ira Stephen Behr for DS9, and Manny Coto for Enterprise.
Wow! You know your Star Trek! I love what Manny Coto did for Enterprise. I'm working on my episode for Voyage Home. I plan to make videos for all thr Star Ttek films.
Actually, Westworld (1973) beat Star Trek II by nearly a decade. They used a CG-processed image (very low pixel resolution!) to depict the robot gunfighter's (Yul Brynner's) POV. Actual CGI animation (created by Ed Catmull, the co-founder of Pixar and former President of Disney Animation) was used in Futureworld (1976), the sequel to the original Westworld. They also had experimental CG animated in the late 1950s or early 1960s. The history of this media goes way before 1980s Hollywood.
Nicholas Meyer was exactly what Star Trek needed at that time. He may not have been happy with the late additions that were made concerning Spock, but fans would have been furious or at least depressed if they had not been added. Glad Nick finally agreed to come back for the final movie in the original cast series, though Leonard Nimoy did a great job with his time at the helm as well. My favorites from best to worst are: 2, 6, 4, 3, 1 and 5. Number 5 took a while to grow on me but it's actually not so terrible. In fact the interaction of Kirk, Spock and Bones in that one is one of the best.
That is an amazing story. The precedent-setting CGI and direct video marketing surprised me, not to mention the true believers who charged low wages to no wages. I was a kid in high school who had grown up on the TOS. The movie was so, so awesome, and it still is.
It's crazy to think they made a movie for $13 million. Look at what movies cost now and what actors get paid. It's gone completely nuts. And with all that money, I don't see movies coming out even close to the quality of Star Trek 2. Sure, they have amazing special effects and all that, but the stories and acting are crap. They're also ridiculously long!
@@inhometraineroakville1174 Ha, ha, I remember waaaay back in the day, some magazine article was complaining about the same thing, that things like Star Wars and Jaws had distorted film making by setting such a high cash bar...they also specifically cited Terminator 2 for 80 MILLION dollar price-tag! Ha-ha! I don't mind expensive movies. I just wish Hollywood would go back to making movies I'd like, with less obvious woke/DEI messaging.
I always thought their new uniforms were inspired by the Canadian Mounties? However, Starfleet was more militarized, and it felt more authentic. Good info!
Thank you for the kind words. I thought the new uniforms were a nice shot in the arm. But now that you mention it, they do look like Canadian Mountie uniforms.
@SBatts-vn1bd I guess in the first film they were trying to look somewhat similar to the uniforms on the TV show. But the end result was that they looked like pajamas. The new uniforms introduced in Star Trek 2 looked really good. I know Meyer was heavily influenced by Captain Horatio Hornblower particularly for the ship to ship battle scene. I think the uniforms while they look similar to Mounties, might have been his futuristic take on the old British naval uniforms.
@@inhometraineroakville1174 Gotcha your point and it's a good one. The rank braiding on their wrists especially was being faithful to the show. IMO, the uniforms for the first picture felt more like the Navy. The color palette doesn't bother me, however I'm glad they upgraded to what we saw in films 2-6.
Wrath of Khan, and Nick Meyers other contribution The Undiscovered Country are by far my faves, with the Shatner directed Final Frontier not even in my collection. I’d rather forget about it!
I agree! I love Wrath of Khan, Undiscovered Country, and Voyage Home. I also love Search for Spock. Final Frontier is such a train wreck but there is something very watchable about it. I'll post a video on Final Frontier soon. Thay production was an epic train wreck!
I’ve heard 2 different ideas on ST II moving forward..I’ve heard people on the film say that the movie was in doubt due to the poor reception from the Motion Picture.Thats why the budget for Wraith was slashed almost in half..I’ve also heard that the sequel was all but guaranteed due to the financial success of the 1st movie..It’s probably the latter.If a studio could make $$,I would imagine they would be all in
I've heard some crazy stuff about how Paramount was hedging their bets, hoping to make STII a TV movie, until they saw how great it was. Then they decided to give it a theateical release. Idk if thats true
The script had to be written quickly because otherwise ILM would not have time to create the visual effects. There was a scheduled release date but Paramount had not sold tickets in theaters (which isn’t how these things work).
IMO, Star Trek the Motion Picture was a great movie. The only problem was that it was too long, especially during the sequences when the Enterprise was in Veger's "space ship". I thought the storyline was genius, and seeing the old crew in action again was magical.
Star Trek 1 was/is a horrible movie. It was a TOS episode stretched out to 2 hours. Gene Roddenberry was shown the door after this and not allowed to have anything to do with Star Trek 2. William Shatner hated it, he called it “a bore”.
The Wrath of Khan did for Star Trek what The Empire Strikes Back did for Star Wars. I'll even bet fans didn't mind at all that the scenes of the Enterprise leaving the drydock were lifted whole from TMP. 🖖😎👍
If you watch Space Raiders från 1984 (produced by Roger Corman), you can hear many of James Horner's offcut pieces from his composing work for Wrath of Khan.
Sheeeyit will they ever give up blaming Roddenberry for being human? The real problem with TMP is it needed editing. Cut some scenes, rearrange a few others, get rid of some of the long exposition and make it excited conversation like they did in TWOK with garbled transmissions and bits of dialogue flying about the bridge. Much more exciting. It was all done in post production. A side comment: Marcia Lucas really saved the original Star Wars in post production editing by cutting whole scenes and rearranging sequences. It could still be done for TMP.
Thanks for the comment. Check out my video in Star Trek: The Motion Picture. My opinion is that the two factors were: Paramount pre-selling the theater tickets and 2) Able and Associates not delivering any usable special effects. Gene Roddenberry was not really responsible for the problems. However, he didn't help himself by not helping out the post-production. They needed a scapegoat and he was it.
So Harve Bennett did more research than the entirety of anyone who’s directed a modern Disney Star Wars show (Tony Gilroy excepted) or anyone directing a marvel show.
You are so right. Can you imagine how good Dosney Star Wars could be if they put in the same effort and research as Harve Bennett? And you're ight, Tony Gilroy is awesome!
TMP is one of those movies, just like 2001, that I didn't learn to fully appreciate until I was older, into my 30s. In my final analysis, I feel TMP is a brilliant film. The aging concept was center to the TWOK story, and in canon, a decade had gone by since the events of TMP, hence the Enterprise being relegated to a training vessel. Certain aspects of that first Trek 2 treatment seemed to have been used for the TOS novel, "First Frontier" (such as the Federation never existing and the Guardian being used again).
I agree! I always loved Wrath of Khan and Voyage Home but I didn't truly appreciate TMP until I saw it in 1997 in thr late 20's. I appreciate it more and more and I love the Director's Cut.
Shatner claims he was NOT told about the last minute change, with Spock doing the 'remember' to Mccoy...If you notice the scene between Mccoy and Spock are without Kirk present, and were added after initial filming was done......Shatner said they had a goodbye party and everyone was crying because they thought it was the end....Shatner was not aware of the change to the end of the film, until he saw the premiere, or so he claims.
Almost everyone in the theater WEPT when Spock died saving the ship... Almost everyone in the theater WEPT when SPOCK'S "KOTRAH" was returned to his regenerated body....! James Horner met a tragic end piloting his own aircraft. A terrible loss....
Ricardo said, "Why would I want to do this I'm hardly in it?"
Then he read the script and figured that he was mentioned on almost every page and figured it would be a good career move.
He nailed it as Khan. It's interesting that we all remember him more as Khan rather than Mr Roarke.
Nicholas Meyer is that first breath of fresh air a lot of Star Trek has gotten from time to time. Michael Piller for TNG, Ira Stephen Behr for DS9, and Manny Coto for Enterprise.
Wow! You know your Star Trek! I love what Manny Coto did for Enterprise. I'm working on my episode for Voyage Home. I plan to make videos for all thr Star Ttek films.
The CGI Genesis sequence was the first time CGI was used in a motion picture, it beat Tron to the theaters by weeks.
Thanks for the comment. I remember seeing that sequence back then. It was mind-blowing at the time.
Actually, Westworld (1973) beat Star Trek II by nearly a decade. They used a CG-processed image (very low pixel resolution!) to depict the robot gunfighter's (Yul Brynner's) POV. Actual CGI animation (created by Ed Catmull, the co-founder of Pixar and former President of Disney Animation) was used in Futureworld (1976), the sequel to the original Westworld.
They also had experimental CG animated in the late 1950s or early 1960s.
The history of this media goes way before 1980s Hollywood.
@@AvengerII *The First FULLY rendered CGI, not overlays, not elements, but a fully rendered sequence.
better?
@@user-wm3bf7pi3u Wow.
Thin-skinned.
Keep up that reputation Techies have for being "service-oriented" and humane.
JERK.
When I think of major use by CGI in a film I always think of the Last Starfighter that came out a couple years later.
Nicholas Meyer was exactly what Star Trek needed at that time. He may not have been happy with the late additions that were made concerning Spock, but fans would have been furious or at least depressed if they had not been added. Glad Nick finally agreed to come back for the final movie in the original cast series, though Leonard Nimoy did a great job with his time at the helm as well. My favorites from best to worst are: 2, 6, 4, 3, 1 and 5. Number 5 took a while to grow on me but it's actually not so terrible. In fact the interaction of Kirk, Spock and Bones in that one is one of the best.
I always hated when TBS would play 2 4 5.... so they were skipping the return of Spock, and putting in the weakest with 5.
I love your rankings! I agree that Nicholas Meyer did an awesome job with Star Trek II and Star Trek VI. Thanks for comment!
His daughter, Dylan, is engaged to actress Kristen Stewart.
Thank God they got Gene out of the script team. He has no business writing stories.
Haha! You said it! 🤣
One of the best Star Trek Movies of all time.
Absolutely!
The Wrath of KHAN Is An Awesome Movie!
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One of my favorite 👌😆👍🍁
RIP To All that Have passed away since then in Time 😔🍁
Thank you! Wrath of Khan is one of my favorites as well. 👊🖖
That is an amazing story. The precedent-setting CGI and direct video marketing surprised me, not to mention the true believers who charged low wages to no wages. I was a kid in high school who had grown up on the TOS. The movie was so, so awesome, and it still is.
It is! I saw this as a teenager when it came out and it turned me into a die-hard Star Trek fan. Thank you for your comment.
It's crazy to think they made a movie for $13 million. Look at what movies cost now and what actors get paid. It's gone completely nuts. And with all that money, I don't see movies coming out even close to the quality of Star Trek 2. Sure, they have amazing special effects and all that, but the stories and acting are crap. They're also ridiculously long!
I agree! Star Trek II was so amazing and made on a very small budget. It is still so impressive.
you dont feel any connection to the characters.. ..this is why STD is so bad. its just leaves you cold
12 million in 1982, about 40 million today...STILL pretty low for a scifi blockbuster.
@@MM22966 I don't think they're making any major movies now for less than $200 million. It's just stupid!
@@inhometraineroakville1174 Ha, ha, I remember waaaay back in the day, some magazine article was complaining about the same thing, that things like Star Wars and Jaws had distorted film making by setting such a high cash bar...they also specifically cited Terminator 2 for 80 MILLION dollar price-tag! Ha-ha!
I don't mind expensive movies. I just wish Hollywood would go back to making movies I'd like, with less obvious woke/DEI messaging.
Horners music in this film was amazing. Added to the spectacle
He was an amazing composer.
@@TotallyAwesomeFilmsPodcast his score for Aliens is one of my all time faves
TWoK was the best Star Trek movie. It saved the franchise and it's still fun to watch, unlike the first Trek movie.
You are so right! It's the movie that turned me into a die-hard Star Trek fan!
They decided not to name the movie "Revenge of Khan" because of "Revenge of the Jedi," then George Lucas was like, "Ha just kidding!"
Haha! 🤣 That's hilarious!
I always thought their new uniforms were inspired by the Canadian Mounties? However, Starfleet was more militarized, and it felt more authentic. Good info!
Thank you for the kind words. I thought the new uniforms were a nice shot in the arm. But now that you mention it, they do look like Canadian Mountie uniforms.
@SBatts-vn1bd I guess in the first film they were trying to look somewhat similar to the uniforms on the TV show. But the end result was that they looked like pajamas. The new uniforms introduced in Star Trek 2 looked really good. I know Meyer was heavily influenced by Captain Horatio Hornblower particularly for the ship to ship battle scene. I think the uniforms while they look similar to Mounties, might have been his futuristic take on the old British naval uniforms.
@@inhometraineroakville1174 Gotcha your point and it's a good one. The rank braiding on their wrists especially was being faithful to the show. IMO, the uniforms for the first picture felt more like the Navy. The color palette doesn't bother me, however I'm glad they upgraded to what we saw in films 2-6.
The first time I saw the Genesis Project graphics blew me away... What a Great Flick!
Yes! Such a great movie! And the Genesis Sequence was so mind blowing at the time.
Wrath of Khan, and Nick Meyers other contribution The Undiscovered Country are by far my faves, with the Shatner directed Final Frontier not even in my collection. I’d rather forget about it!
I agree! I love Wrath of Khan, Undiscovered Country, and Voyage Home. I also love Search for Spock. Final Frontier is such a train wreck but there is something very watchable about it. I'll post a video on Final Frontier soon. Thay production was an epic train wreck!
Then you're missing out on three-boobed cat-lady.
The REAL reason Nimoy came back for Trek III is that he was made director of the movie.
Please check out my video on Star Trek III: The Search for Spock. 😀
AI narration sucks worse than "Spock's Brain"....
Bravo! Very well done!
Thank you so much!
I’ve heard 2 different ideas on ST II moving forward..I’ve heard people on the film say that the movie was in doubt due to the poor reception from the Motion Picture.Thats why the budget for Wraith was slashed almost in half..I’ve also heard that the sequel was all but guaranteed due to the financial success of the 1st movie..It’s probably the latter.If a studio could make $$,I would imagine they would be all in
Too true! That's how Hollywood thinks!
I've heard some crazy stuff about how Paramount was hedging their bets, hoping to make STII a TV movie, until they saw how great it was. Then they decided to give it a theateical release. Idk if thats true
The script had to be written quickly because otherwise ILM would not have time to create the visual effects. There was a scheduled release date but Paramount had not sold tickets in theaters (which isn’t how these things work).
Interesting!
IMO, Star Trek the Motion Picture was a great movie. The only problem was that it was too long, especially during the sequences when the Enterprise was in Veger's "space ship". I thought the storyline was genius, and seeing the old crew in action again was magical.
I agree. Star Trek The Motion Picture is a very good story.
Star Trek 1 was/is a horrible movie. It was a TOS episode stretched out to 2 hours. Gene Roddenberry was shown the door after this and not allowed to have anything to do with Star Trek 2. William Shatner hated it, he called it “a bore”.
@@TowGunner Do you know the meaning of "IMO"?
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan was not produced by Paramount Pictures but by Paramount Television.
That is very interesting. Thanks for the comment. 😃
Great concise summary!
Thank you for the kind words. I plan to eventually make a video about all thr Star Trek movies. I hope you enjoy them.
The Wrath of Khan did for Star Trek what The Empire Strikes Back did for Star Wars. I'll even bet fans didn't mind at all that the scenes of the Enterprise leaving the drydock were lifted whole from TMP. 🖖😎👍
I agree. This movie saved Star Trek. This is the movie that turned me into a die-hard Star Trek fan.
If you watch Space Raiders från 1984 (produced by Roger Corman), you can hear many of James Horner's offcut pieces from his composing work for Wrath of Khan.
That's amazing! Thanks for comment!
Sheeeyit will they ever give up blaming Roddenberry for being human? The real problem with TMP is it needed editing. Cut some scenes, rearrange a few others, get rid of some of the long exposition and make it excited conversation like they did in TWOK with garbled transmissions and bits of dialogue flying about the bridge. Much more exciting.
It was all done in post production.
A side comment: Marcia Lucas really saved the original Star Wars in post production editing by cutting whole scenes and rearranging sequences. It could still be done for TMP.
Thanks for the comment. Check out my video in Star Trek: The Motion Picture. My opinion is that the two factors were: Paramount pre-selling the theater tickets and 2) Able and Associates not delivering any usable special effects. Gene Roddenberry was not really responsible for the problems. However, he didn't help himself by not helping out the post-production. They needed a scapegoat and he was it.
I missed the 45 minute slow shot of the enterprise like they had in the first film😂
Haha! 😁
So Harve Bennett did more research than the entirety of anyone who’s directed a modern Disney Star Wars show (Tony Gilroy excepted) or anyone directing a marvel show.
You are so right. Can you imagine how good Dosney Star Wars could be if they put in the same effort and research as Harve Bennett? And you're ight, Tony Gilroy is awesome!
That early idea of Rodenberry's had a similar set up to First Contect.
Interesting! How so?
The part about the Klingons traveling back in time to prevent the Federation from forming is basically what the Borg does in First Contact.
TMP is one of those movies, just like 2001, that I didn't learn to fully appreciate until I was older, into my 30s. In my final analysis, I feel TMP is a brilliant film. The aging concept was center to the TWOK story, and in canon, a decade had gone by since the events of TMP, hence the Enterprise being relegated to a training vessel.
Certain aspects of that first Trek 2 treatment seemed to have been used for the TOS novel, "First Frontier" (such as the Federation never existing and the Guardian being used again).
I agree! I always loved Wrath of Khan and Voyage Home but I didn't truly appreciate TMP until I saw it in 1997 in thr late 20's. I appreciate it more and more and I love the Director's Cut.
Shatner claims he was NOT told about the last minute change, with Spock doing the 'remember' to Mccoy...If you notice the scene between Mccoy and Spock are without Kirk present, and were added after initial filming was done......Shatner said they had a goodbye party and everyone was crying because they thought it was the end....Shatner was not aware of the change to the end of the film, until he saw the premiere, or so he claims.
That's very interesting! Thank you for the comment!
Excellent video!
Thank you very much!
'Space Seed' (Singular)
Thanks for the correction. I could have used your help when making the video!
@@TotallyAwesomeFilmsPodcast You would be amazed at how much us fans are happy to help.
Also, the original series episode is SPACE SEED - singular.
Thanks for the correction
Disappointed you failed to mention James Horner's score for Aliens, which he had to write in just a few weeks. Still a thumbs up though.
'I Am Not Spock' was published in 1975. Not after the first film (1979).
Thanks for the correction. Have you read his 1995 follow-up "I Am Spock"? It was an amazing read.
Almost everyone in the theater WEPT when Spock died saving the ship...
Almost everyone in the theater WEPT when SPOCK'S "KOTRAH" was returned to his regenerated body....!
James Horner met a tragic end piloting his own aircraft.
A terrible loss....
I hope you enjoy the Star Trek III: Search for Spock video SO sad about James Horner. So tragically young!
OK.......... the time change grassy knoll story was used in Red Dwarf... but they convinced JFK to take himself out.
That's very interesting!
Used in Quantum Leap as well.
One hundred AND thirty-five million dollars.
On inheriting the English language, Americans left the "AND" behind.
Without it, numbers sound odd.
Thank you. I guess this video is going all over world. 😯 May I ask where you are?
@@TotallyAwesomeFilmsPodcast I'm in the UK. The "AND" I quoted is used in numbers here and in Ireland. Possibly also in Australia and New Zealand.
Star Trek's 2+4 were the only good ones. But they both were VERY good.
Thanks for your comment! 2 and 4 are my favorites. I'm working on "The Making if Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home" video which will be released soon.
* The Making of the Amazing Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan
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It’s “space SEED”. Not space seeds
I know. I messed up. 😀 Thanks for the comment!
They don't make them like they use to
You are so right! This movie was so magical! Thanks for the comment. 🖖
@TotallyAwesomeFilmsPodcast thanks to your video I decided to watch this movie again and really enjoyed every moment of it 😊
Fix your title...its KHAN!...not Kahn lol
Yikes! Thanks for the catch!
Horner also did Krull and Aliens.
Both amazing films!
What's with the clip with a priest ?????
Which frame?
why use an AI announcer???
Just an experiment. I'm using my real voice now.