I watch a lot of these list, and yours is one that isn't biased for hero ships and well thought out. The top dog just happens to be my favorite ship for Starfleet, and the way you placed it and the others was really good. Might disagree with one or two's posistion on here, but they wouldn't be switched around hardly at all. You are really good at the technical ideology of stuff and look forward to other videos.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Starfleet😭 was a joke and UFP was not taken seriously by other great power that considered themselves as a galactic powers; never considered UFP😩 a power... 5:55 I am not feeling the FOMO💰... Where is my latinum #TDBank💳?🌎💘💰
Is bias is confusing the fact that several of those ships were better in every way, but then for some weird delusional reasons he says that it was a jack of all trades and wasn't better at anything. He couldn't say which ship was better.
@@GiantFreakinRobotyou say galaxy was designed to do things a soveriegn can't, but never tell us what those things are. Smh this list is crap you could take a constitution class weld 20 or 30 torpedo launchers on it then load up the shuttle bay with generators to power torpedo launchers and its game over for any opposing ship
Point of order "many galaxy class ships were lost during the dominion war". We didn't see that onscreen. In fact we saw precisely one destroyed during the war. The Oddysey might be a debatable point but it was long before formal hostilities.
You would have thought with all of the possible threats in the Universe including the Romulans and Klingons, Starfleet would have built an actual Warship designed for nothing more than to defend/destroy objectives. Their one serious attempt was the flawed Defiant Class which they scrapped after only a few prototypes. Literally every other race in the Universe had ships designed specifically for war, even the friggin' Ferengi had Warships for God's sake. Given that, there were all of these races involved with Starfleet but yet, Starfleet was commonly getting outclassed in both shields and firepower by the Klingons and the Romulans. With all of the different races of people in Starfleet, they should have been the most powerful in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, hands down. To be honest, while the Klingons had great armament on their ships, their shields were their Achilles heal. But the Romulans had the best shields and armament on their ships. If the Romulans were as war-like as the Klingons, the Romulans would have controlled the entire Alpha and Beta Quadrants. Someone needs to come in and really "clean up" the canon timelines of both Star Trek Universes. They are both a mess and with the Discovery, that surely didn't help them at all lol.
The excelsior looks like a min van to me. I never could shake that impression and it has made me dislike it. The back deck around the shuttle bay is elongated and gives me that impression. My top three in no order are soverign, ambassador, and the odyssey. I am interested in hearing others people top ships, top 3 or 5 or whatever if you cant make up your mind.
@@mrbreck1OK, I'm gonna have to go with The Refit as my all time favorite, and I really like the Enterprise(well all of them really) but the C stands out. I love how it bridges the gap between the B and D perfectly. However, I love the Stargazer/Hathaway and the Miranda class. Honestly, I like most starlet ships, but there are a few stinkers as well. Not too fond of the Voyager or Oberth class.
@GiantFreakinRobot I understand but I believe that the temporal war did happend as per discovery and enterprise and being it was on screen I would take that as canon
I think the appropriate line would be The Odyssey was the largest ship starfleet had produced up to that point. Not counting ships from the Kelvin Timeline (The Vengeance dwarfs an Odyssey) or from other non canon sources like Star Trek online. The Odyssey is the biggest seen on screen. Technically we only see the J's interior on Enterprise with a ship schematic on a bulkhead. We can infer how big it is but it's not directly shown. In STO, the J or Universe class is the biggest, even bigger than Vengeance.
I was going too make this comment but i figured the comments would be mostly yes. I however love the J and still hope too just see it on screen again. Till then Il just accidentally use it in missions and block all the cutscenes in STO then apologize when i realize im using the J
The Klingon Bird of Prey is the R2-D2 of the Star Trek universe: Always there, defying expectations, with plot armor so thick it even prevents aging. I was half expecting one to take out USS Discovery during the finale.
There have been many different Klingon birds of prey over the years: M'Chla class, K'vort-class, B'rel-class, D12 class & Class 5 (pressumably there would be a class 1 to 4 as well?) It would be more accurate to say that the bird of prey is a type of ship; a Corvette for example.
@@AccesslessExactly. They made scout class vessels in the BOP design that held only a dozen officers and men as well as larger battle ship size versions carrying much larger crew compliments. Basically an order to size type ship.( Interestingly enough, the Bird of prey in ST3 was originally a Romulan ship that the Klingons stole. Hence, the green color and bird on the underside, until the script just changed it to a Klingon vessel)
Starfleet😭 was a joke and UFP was not taken seriously by other great power that considered themselves as a galactic powers; never considered UFP😩 a power... 5:55 I am not feeling the FOMO💰... Where is my latinum #TDBank💳?🌎💘💰
Starfleet😭 was a joke and UFP was not taken seriously by other great power that considered themselves as a galactic powers; never considered UFP😩 a power... 5:55 I am not feeling the FOMO💰... Where is my latinum #TDBank💳?🌎💘💰
i am surprised having watched the whole video that Defient Class wasnt in there as a power house.. it literally is a Starfleet Warship (unofficially) its actual class is an Escort ship. but was the first war ship starfleet put into service to combat the borg. with its over charges warp core and pulse phasers (that remind me of ED209 from RoboCop when fired) thats one TOUGH little ship.. certainly one of the most powerful for its era
could not agree more... I mean the thing took on 2 Akira's, a Defiant, and 3 D'deridex class Roman Warbirds. - with two EMHs (one obsolete and one 'beta') at the helm. It also disabled a Nebula for giggles.
At 4:35, the Enterprise-J is the largest ship they ever built, but only shown for a brief moment during the Enterprise series. It is part of canon, but only referenced once, and no shows have been made about the Star Trek future using this ship. Thus, very little, if anything is known about it.
@@GiantFreakinRobotit was a surprise attack on a skeleton crew on a ship that was 20 years old that hadn’t been repaired from the battle damage against khan. You sir are no Trekkie
@@GiantFreakinRobot "The automation system is overloaded. I didnt expect us to take her into combat, ya know." - Captain Scott The Enterprise in this battle is barely functional. Its not really fair to hold it against her.
I realy liked how u put skemstics of all the ships. A lot of people don’t do that a lot and for people like me who have issues visualizing 3d spaces it helps to see the ship skemstics to get a real feel for it
We are just nerds for MSDs. Some day I want to do a video just going over one really good MSD in detail… but that would probably cause a mass unsubscribe from the channel😆
Defiant : size matters not!!! Judge me by my size do you, hmmm?😂 It nearly tore itself apart in drills when engines were brought up to full power She may have flaws but she has teeth
To answer this question, I think you could use a game that features as many of these ships as possible, equip them with the same or similar gear, and then test them against similar targets -- that is, if your focus is on military might, which Starfleet mostly was not. They had ships focused on exploration, science, patrol, diplomacy, defense, and projecting an image of power and strength, especially in the post-Wolf 359 era. You also have to contend with the fact that we have few or no canon feats for many Starfleet vessels, including the Universe- and Odyssey classes. Starfleet ships later specialized in specific fields and endeavours, so they would be great at one thing, and not great at others. And then there are the outliers among their class, which were different because of what they had gone through. _USS Excelsior_ was different from other Excelsiors of her time, and completely different from _USS Lakota_ or an Excelsior-II. _USS Voyager_ was a completely different ship when she returned to Earth than the standard Intrepid-class she started as. 'Power' differs based on what it is the ship is doing. Then there's the equipment installed. Warp drives, nacelles, power management systems, computers were all completely different in the 22nd, 23rd, and 24th centuries. Starfleet was comparatively outmoded until the later Ambassador or Narendra-classes. And the computers got overhauled again in the Intrepid's age. Starfleet's design doctrine also changed depending on what they needed, and what they had been through. The Connie and Sovereign were designed for different goals, yet the Sovy still refers back to the Connie in some ways. And again, if you give various ships the same level of tech for their equipment, you're going to find less differences in their performances. Only their unique points would let you tell them apart. Games like _STO_ let you choose your ship without any specific requirements because only their traits and special abilities are different. You can play all the missions and beat them with any of them.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Well, you still can. It's more than time they updated the engine, though. Summer event is on. You can get a T6 ship from there if you're fast.
@@GiantFreakinRobot We rank the top 7 most powerful ships in the entire Star Trek franchise, including Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager, Picard, and every show and movie set in the Federation's fictional universe. Make up your mind
🎉I hate to nit pick...but i think you are confusing the 23rd century with the 2300's and the 24th century with the 2400's. The excelsior was launched in the late 23rd century, or the late 2200's. The ones launched in the 24th century would be launched in the 2300's. This was a great video though! ❤
@@GiantFreakinRobot I didn't want to say anything at first because I didn't want to seem rude. But I figured a little constructive criticism wouldn't hurt. Honestly, you put out so much good info I can see how after a while that would slip. I sometimes do the same. Any reason the Intrepid class wasn't on here in some capacity? Voyager kicked ass a whole lotta times...though we really only have her as an example unless you count the Bellerophon.
If l was going to be in a war in the late 24th century against an enemy, the Sovereign class is the best. My favourite ship besides the Constitution refit.
@@GiantFreakinRobotthe defiant crew specifically said that if they didn't stop they would destroy the Lakota. The Lakota was trying to disable them from the start and barely survived. The Defiant was just trying to get by.
Both vessels refused to use quantum torpedos because they refused to absolutely destroy the other. But yeah the Lakota upgrades surprised the Defiant for sure.
@samuelowens3853 actually I think the Lakota was more surprised about the defiant having ablation armor too. Captain Benzine was pissed lol. But yes, both captain refused and that is what really made love that episode
Discovery is so massively OP, in the show they have it single handedly responsible for winning the war with the Klingons. After jumping 800 years into the future, it is still OP, and the future federation reverse engineered it to improve their fleet. I believe Discovery so so massively over powered it ruined continuity.
@@rodneytrotter3725 Strange New Worlds, Academy, and Philippa Georgiou's future Section 31 movie are all spin offs from Discovery. It really sucks, but the show runners appear to consider it canon.
One of the few videos of this kind that I watched all the way through, seems well researched. The Excelsior class is my favourite design so I may be a tad biased, though it's tough to deny how long it's been in service and how good it's been.
You bunch of Geeks. The most powerful Star Trek Ship ever was, of course, USS Voyager under the Command of Janeway. Think about it. That's all I'm saying.
The only ship to trump several borg vessels and then say we need a bigger bad guy lol. In all seriousness though that series was terrible and I loved every moment of it XD
In that Excelsior class vs. Defiant battle, the Defiant did not go into the battle seeking to destroy the other ship. If Worf decided to wage an all-out, balls to the wall fight from the onset of that battle, the Lakota would have been space debris.
Neither did the Lakota. Nothing were pulling their punches, so pointing out that Defiant was without stating tbe same for Lakota is frankly dishonest. Feact of the matter is that both were quite capable of destroying the other.
@@bairdrew I have to disagree. The Lakota fired four times before the Defiant fought back. Worf never went into that battle thinking that he would have to fight the Lakota. I just watched the clip again. Neither ship used their full compliment of weapons though, to be fair. That much is clear.
@majorsynthqed7374 for some reason autocorrect changed "both" to "nothing" which quite drastically changes what I was saying in that sentence. Basically I agree that neither ship was trying particularly hard to defeat the other.
I honestly think that the Defiant class should at least be a runner up. For its size, it was incredibly powerful, and in DS9, we saw it almost regularly rip through Jem'Hadar vessels like they were nothing.
I’d say the Ambassador started building in the mid 2320s. Figure 40 years between the launch of the major multi mission flagship classes : 2245 - Constitution 2285 - Excelsior 2325 - Ambassador 2360 - Galaxy 2400 - Odyssey
Sorry, as far as what ship people think about when they think of Star Trek, I think of the Constitution Class. You have to remember Star Trek has been around for a very long time now, people think of the ship they grew up with over the current trend. I think it has to do with the ship that got them involved in Star Trek in the first place. Great Video, thank you for sharing.
I wasnt aware the Ambassador's career was that short. But i kinda figured the excelsior would win out here it fits the saying "She's old, but she'll hold" really well.
Captain Erika Benteen was not an inexperienced captain when the Lokata was sent to stop the Defiant. She was a newly commissioned captain but was a highly skilled officer.
One other thought - not openly discussed outside fan circles, is the idea of blocks. Not all Excelsiors were the same; refits + block enhancements. Good discussion though - thank you!
You really give the Connie a worf effect you know? The point is she IS that powerful, but gets crippled every time, so ingenuity using what’s left is what drives the story, and helps prevent ridiculous power creep like what happened in Star Trek Nemesis. Honestly I feel it forces better stories since it’s more about outfoxing the enemy using intelligent and combined tactics of the crew working together, then just more Dakka.
The vastness of space would lead to a one ship doing all things. It would be like an aircraft carrier with smaller ships that can act as a picket, fight or lifeboat. They would also be capable of multi tasking.
Think some conclusions weren't entirely based on accuracy. The Lakota was specifically upgraded and O'Brien's reaction inferred that this not not your typical Excelsior. The Defiant also falls in to this trap in the same episode having modifications that weren't known to Starfleet, however, there was only one ship of it's type so we don't know what a typical Defiant class would have. Pretty much every thing else made sense but you did slip up a few times.
Whoa..that Excelcior would have been wiped out without the tracking torpedo Spock sent, too. Yet somehow it survived to the picard era. In the battles mentioned Enterprise refit wasn't just 'undermanded'. It had no crew at all, with half its main power out. The first hit came with shields down.
There were a lot of Starfleet ship designs and you could never cover them all but I was surprised the Intrepid class didn't make the list. There was a whole series written around one.
"A few years" of connie refit dominance being around 20, from 2271 when Kirk went V'ger hunting, to around 2290 when the Excelsior was formally commissioned.
The battles between Enterprise the Reliant and the Bird of Prey in Trekk II and III are not good examples. The Reliant didnt out gun the Enterprise, it fired on a ship that was not in a battle preparation and with a training crew and the Bird of Prey was fighting a severely handicapped Enterprise. A Bird of Prey has no chance against The Enterprise in a head to head battle.
You are right, especially because the original version of the Constitution calss was built during the Four Years War, and with the intent ( I donìt know if succeded), of building a Starship capable of out performing a Klingon D7 Battlecruiser under every aspect; so a Klingon Bird of Prey would have just been reduced to space junk if matched against a Constituition class in top condition, against a Constitution Refit would have probably just turned tail and run as to live to fight another day (usually Klingons try to avoid a dishonorable death, in order to avoid ending in Gre'thor)
You make it sound like the Sovereign somewhat surpassed or countered Borg Cubes which it didn't. The whole reason why it could destroy the cube in First Contact was due to Picard's connection to the Borg. Still a great video!
True. A Borg Cube could EASILY destroy a Sovereign if it wanted to. I don't even think it could defeat a Borg Sphere in straight combat, but that's not how the Borg operate. Their goal is to assimilate, not destroy.
You'd think that given his Cube destroying knowledge can be expressed with big red X on a picture of a Cube - that he'd of just told Starfleet instead of being moody and keeping it to himself.
@@JohnnyWednesday I like the idea of the big X 🤣 but I think this was either a one time situation like structural weakness that happened during the battle. If it was an actual weakspot the Borg would quite quickly adapt, maybe even by the data they received from this fight.
The Ambassador was more akin to the Tiger tank, very powerful, very advanced but that was the issue, it was too tricky to maintain well or operate with peak efficiency, it was ahead of it's time but that was also where it fell down some times, would be like Independence day where we were trying to fly the alien ship, it was a clunky and awkward adventure which ended in a crash after a successful mission, 20 years later it was retrofitted to a good fighter fleet, the Ambassador/Galaxy story is similar to this as it was perfecting any of the Ambassador flaws.
The video was entertaining. But afterwards I’m left there thinking “wtf did I just watch? A video ranking pretend spaceships based on their actions in a TV show…”
Why do you think there's more worthwhile things to be doing? the sun will swollow the earth, the universe wlll die a heat death. Just accept that it's enough to be happy and learn to play the harp.
Considering how big and complex those ships were, I'm surprised they developed new models so fast (just think how long ships and planes remain in service nowadays).
The excelsior's "transwarp" did work out was just a significantly faster warp drive, remember when sulu says come on come on and the helsman says that she'll fly apart? He wasn't kidding they're flying at speeds pushing nearly warp 9 (24th century scale of course) and with the advent of a faster warp drive it just didn't make sense to say warp 23 so they rescaled it to match the faster speeds in the late 23rd to early 24th century.
What, no love for the Defiant? That ship was one of the most iconic vessels of the Dominion War and was one of the few Starfleet ships the Founders knew by name because of how many Jem'Hadar vessels it turned to scrap metal. It was also pretty much the only Starfleet ship that was given a caveat from the Treaty of Algeron and legally allowed to use a cloaking device.
That's not how the list works. The Defiant, while being a powerful tough little ship, was never top of the line. He's not taking any bias towards hero ships, i like that.
In the beginning of the first movie, the Dreadnaught Entente is mentioned in a communication call, but never shown. Assuming it was modernized, it would have certainly been more capable than the Constitution class.
No disrespect to anyone who likes the Odyssey class but I personally have never been a fan of the design. I rather prefer the sleek and sexy design of the Sovereign, whereas the the 1701-F feels like a huge slow whale by comparison.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Oh I definitely understand that. Aesthetically speaking, for me personally I will always like the look of the refit Constitution and the Sovereign. For those folks that do like the design of the F, honestly, good for them. Glad they enjoy it.
What about the Dreadnought class from the reboot "Into Darkness". Yeah yeah there was only one, but massive state of the art weapons and the ability to be piloted by a minimal crew (even only 1)... is by far the strongest ship.
The constitution class starship was vicious with the M5 computer tie in. Then again, any starship would have been invincible with the M5... until they met the Borg. But, maybe the M5 could beat the Borg single handedly.
Exactly. Defiant class can ravage a Borg Cube. The Lakota could have been obliterated in 2 firing passes. Remember Defiant had rapid fire Planetary Class phasers ! This Brit Clown is a dum dum.
Connie refit survived a V'ger blast when Klingon comparable ships couldn't. The fight with the Reliant and first Bird of Prey were without shields. Reliant hit it with a sneak attack and the ship wasn't fully repaired against the Bird of Prey. Enterprise-A was a Connie refit tech up against a prototype Bird of Prey at the end of its life. Excelsior refit was a great mod (like Enterprise A and Lakota).
I’m not arguing that the Connie refit wasn’t badass. It had its moments or it would not be on the list at all. But it wasn’t as far beyond the other ships of its era as the ships higher on the list.
@@GiantFreakinRobot However, the Klingon captain in Star Trek 3 was also confused, why the Enterprise didn't just finish them off. He knew that the Constitution class was a much more powerful ship. The only reason the Constitution class lost was because it simply wasn't able to take another fight because of the battle against Kahn without repairs. Even the most powerful ship can lose to a small fighter if it can't defend itself properly.
I think the Miranda class refit should have made the list. The Miranda actually has more internal volume than a refit Constitution and on paper was quantifiably superior for combat than a Constitution having a similar number and type of phasers but also adding dual fore and aft torpedo launchers. Had the fight at Regula been a fair fight with both sides ready and no trickery they would have been evenly matched with only the legendary vs inexperienced crew truly deciding the outcome.
Finally, obviously the most recent flagship of starfleet is the most powerful. Trying to complicate it by "the most powerful is derived from the ships of it's era and how much better it is" is total junk. Honestly redo this whole video it's a joke.
@danielforeman8934 not if you're trying to put things in their historical context. Whilst I agree with you that the use of AI voice and scripting in this vid is bad, your last comment is flatly nonsense - something isn't rubbish simply because you miss the point its trying to make.
@@bairdrew for one torps don't work on shields. The defiant Forward firepower was much greater. The defiant would been able to punch through the excelsior shields and release torps before they could of responded. That's ignoring cloak of the defiant. Yes only one ship of that class had one. This discussion involves that one. Also the defiant had quantum torpedoes as well.
@Kelshando that's nonsense. Torpedoes do work on shielded ships. We've seen this repeatedly. For example, go and watch the fight between thr BoP, Enterprise, and Excelsior in Undiscovered Country. It shows Chang's torpedoes going straight through Enterprises very definitely active shields. If the torpedoes are powerful enough they can punch through active shields. Defiant's shields would not have protected her from quantum torpedoes. Cmdr Benteen knows this, which is why she refused to use them and ceased fighting when Adm. Leyton ordered her to.
@@bairdrew and you're wrong, Star Trek lore torpedoes effectiveness was highly reduced by shields. This is why energy weapons were used to overload a enemy vessels shields. Doesn't mean you can't use them but they are greatly reduced in damage. Defiant had a stronger hull as well as forward fire power the the Lakota. Period. Using Undiscovered country as a argument just in facts proves my point. As the enterprise is repeatedly hit by torpedoes doing no real damage until the shields start to collapse. Compared to just a couple hits to the unshielded BoP and it blows up. This is also demonstrated in Enterprise TV show when the BoP is hit from the front and does almost no damage do to reenforced shields. The Enterprise had to loop around to hit the aft of the BoP to destroy it in just a couple of hits. This has been established Star Trek lore for a very long time.
@Kelshando no, I'm not. Watch the frigging episode and the movie. You're spouting this childish nonsense about *lore* like it somehow trumps what happens in the media it's derived from. It's simple. If your "lore" contradicts what occurs on screen, then it's wrong and so are you.
Probably get attacked for bringing up the reboots but the scimitar on Star Trek 2 into darkness was pretty badass .. it was larger faster and had more firepower, could fire while in warp .. I really wanted to see that large disrupter lazer fire 🔥 even if that meant the enterprise got blown up
8:43 "Despite its massive size, the Galaxy class was the fastest ship of its time ever produced, and was also surprisingly maneuverable." _Somewhere, in another galaxy, Lando Calrissian and Han Solo are smiling...._
The Constitution class refit was taken out by a bird of prey due to the electrical short in the automation which left the ship helpless. This is true, although it only had 6 crew members if I remember correctly, at the time. But you seem to have forgotten that the Galaxy class with a full crew was taken out by an antique bird of prey. The Galaxy class did have very good fire power and excellent shields, but it was a paper tiger. If you could get past it's shields, it was easy prey as it couldn't take a hit without shields. Although it isn't relevant to this list, I have always hated the way it looked. To me it looked like it belonged on a space version of the love boat, not like a ship that was expected to be able to fight. At least that does explain why it couldn't take a hit without shields. On the other hand the Constitution was made with the idea of having to be able to handle it's self without help. And the way it looks shows it. It looks like it can take a hit and was made to be maneuverable. It had a better turning radios than any comparable ship of the time. It was the ship that saved the federation in the Klingon war. Although I do believe that the Constitution should be higher on the list, I must admit that you done a much better job on this list than I would have myself. Well done!!
Purely a personal opinion, but the "All or Nothing" armour design of the Galaxy Class made sense. The challenge is mass. Even with the very loose adherence to physics in Star Trek, the Galaxy (and Nebula class), would have been ungodly heavy. As a primarily deep space explorer and first responder to emergencies, her monstrous engines were already an essential requirement for speed. It's logical to forgo the mass of physical defenses in exchange for maneuverability (which would already be a problem in a ship that size). Despite their need to create tension for exciting TV, Enterprise D's deflectors should have been able to tank far mor than what was depicted. When you add those phaser banks that could level cities... As for the Constitution Class her hull was built before the defector screens were even a standard part of the loadout, Enterprise Refit possibly having one of the earliest setups, at least that's how it appeared to me in The Motion Picture when they first encountered V'Ger.
@@andytol1976 First of all, don't worry about me getting offended just because you have a different opinion. That is how we should learn. ;-}} I would say that your reasoning for the lack of armor would make since if it was made as one solid ship, although I would still disagree with it as a ship that size will never be hard to hit. But with it being made to separate, that should not be a problem. I know that for budget reasons in the show they didn't use that ability. But it is still a part of the ship. In my opinion what they should have done with the Galaxy design was to armor everything except the saucer section. Then when they separated, it would have been a deadly ship. Regarding the Constitution class ship. It was originally made as a combat ship, although not a dedicated war ship. That was a large part of it's concept. And it always had shields. They just got an upgrade to them in the movie. One of the big advantages of the Constitution was that it was more maneuverable than it's Klingon counterpart.
Let's just say it as it is. The writers had to think of something to get rid of the Enterprise D to make room for a starship that fits better for the movies. :(
I love the lines and the look of the Excelsior. Sleek massive and classy. My favorite. Next favorite is probably Sovereign class Enterprise. Third is USS Nebula. None of these have anything to do with power. Purely a looks thing.
I'd say the agility of the Galaxy class shown in Picard was a retcon tbh. It's never been shown being so agile. I would say it was possibly a limitation of model movement in TNG, but it was CGI in the Dominion war
Whilst I agree the agility of the galaxy class is a retcon, I disagree with your reasoning why. Right up through to the end of ST:Enterprise, shops were always treated as if they had mass. They took time to maneuver. In almost all respects they acted like warships of the big-gun era that Roddenberry would have learned about on the radio or in magazines as a child. When ST:Picard came along, it was at a time when that convention had long been abandoned by scifi shows for pure spectacle. Technical limitations aren't germane because the concept qas different.
The Enterprise D was empty on Picard S3. No civilian, no children, no labs, no sickbay, no cargo, nothing. Just space frame, engine, limited fuel, torpedoes and 4 people onboard. Of course it got so agile.
It is vital to point out that Starfleet was planning to retire the refitted Enterprise 1701 because it was too old, and was heavily damaged because of the attack by Reliant.
Great video, as are the rest of them. Question, am I right in interpreting you are only including production ships within the original timeline? The USS Vengeance would surely be included even though it had a very short lifespan!
@@GiantFreakinRobot - Why not - you think an ancient constitution class is more powerful than them. You've made me so mad! I've had to buy an ice cream.
Of their respective era, I would place the AGT Enterprise D (Galaxy X) and USS Prometheus with multi-vector-assault mode as the deadliest starfleet starships. We see the Prometheus easily disable a Nebula class. It destroys a Romulan D'Deridex flagship with absolute ease, and only being manned by 2 EMH holograms. AGT Enterprise easily destroys a Klingon Flagship Negh'Var, while tanking shots from a second.
I do not know if these specs are considered cannon or not, but the NCC1701-J was supposed to be almost two miles in length. Or 3.2 KM. A Borg cube for comparison is 3kmsq. Far more mass, but not as wide in any direction.
Kruge did say they had him outgunned 10 to 1. Enterprise could have reduced that bird of prey to ash in both III and VI had it not been for the fact that both times she was at a disadvantage. In fact, Enterprise could have finished off the bird of prey in VI by herself after blowing it out of cloak.
Yes they are all beautiful ships in their own Era of designs, time of service star trek has some great ships. The battle star Galactica ships were cool to the 70's TV show .
I watch a lot of these list, and yours is one that isn't biased for hero ships and well thought out. The top dog just happens to be my favorite ship for Starfleet, and the way you placed it and the others was really good. Might disagree with one or two's posistion on here, but they wouldn't be switched around hardly at all. You are really good at the technical ideology of stuff and look forward to other videos.
Thank you so much! Really means a lot.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Starfleet😭 was a joke and UFP was not taken seriously by other great power that considered themselves as a galactic powers; never considered UFP😩 a power... 5:55 I am not feeling the FOMO💰... Where is my latinum #TDBank💳?🌎💘💰
Is bias is confusing the fact that several of those ships were better in every way, but then for some weird delusional reasons he says that it was a jack of all trades and wasn't better at anything. He couldn't say which ship was better.
@@GiantFreakinRobotyou say galaxy was designed to do things a soveriegn can't, but never tell us what those things are. Smh this list is crap you could take a constitution class weld 20 or 30 torpedo launchers on it then load up the shuttle bay with generators to power torpedo launchers and its game over for any opposing ship
Point of order "many galaxy class ships were lost during the dominion war".
We didn't see that onscreen. In fact we saw precisely one destroyed during the war. The Oddysey might be a debatable point but it was long before formal hostilities.
The Excelsior class for the Federation is equivalent to the B-52 of the USAF with it’s longevity amongst more technologically advanced ships/planes
That’s an interesting analogy. It works!
I was going to make the same comparison
Best analogy I’ve seen to date, but they’ll probably refit the BUFF to be an interstellar bomber.
Roger that!
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You would have thought with all of the possible threats in the Universe including the Romulans and Klingons, Starfleet would have built an actual Warship designed for nothing more than to defend/destroy objectives. Their one serious attempt was the flawed Defiant Class which they scrapped after only a few prototypes.
Literally every other race in the Universe had ships designed specifically for war, even the friggin' Ferengi had Warships for God's sake.
Given that, there were all of these races involved with Starfleet but yet, Starfleet was commonly getting outclassed in both shields and firepower by the Klingons and the Romulans. With all of the different races of people in Starfleet, they should have been the most powerful in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, hands down.
To be honest, while the Klingons had great armament on their ships, their shields were their Achilles heal. But the Romulans had the best shields and armament on their ships. If the Romulans were as war-like as the Klingons, the Romulans would have controlled the entire Alpha and Beta Quadrants.
Someone needs to come in and really "clean up" the canon timelines of both Star Trek Universes. They are both a mess and with the Discovery, that surely didn't help them at all lol.
The Enterprise B variant of the Excelsior is one of my favorite designs, such simple changes to the original but it looks so much better.
I agree. And they literally just did it to have a piece to blow off, but it looks great!
The excelsior looks like a min van to me. I never could shake that impression and it has made me dislike it. The back deck around the shuttle bay is elongated and gives me that impression. My top three in no order are soverign, ambassador, and the odyssey. I am interested in hearing others people top ships, top 3 or 5 or whatever if you cant make up your mind.
@@mrbreck1OK, I'm gonna have to go with The Refit as my all time favorite, and I really like the Enterprise(well all of them really) but the C stands out. I love how it bridges the gap between the B and D perfectly. However, I love the Stargazer/Hathaway and the Miranda class. Honestly, I like most starlet ships, but there are a few stinkers as well. Not too fond of the Voyager or Oberth class.
"Odyssey is the biggest ship ever by startfleet" Enterprise J: am I a joke to you 😂
Enterprise J was a hypothetical future. We don’t know if it will ever come to pass.
@GiantFreakinRobot I understand but I believe that the temporal war did happend as per discovery and enterprise and being it was on screen I would take that as canon
I think the appropriate line would be The Odyssey was the largest ship starfleet had produced up to that point.
Not counting ships from the Kelvin Timeline (The Vengeance dwarfs an Odyssey) or from other non canon sources like Star Trek online. The Odyssey is the biggest seen on screen. Technically we only see the J's interior on Enterprise with a ship schematic on a bulkhead. We can infer how big it is but it's not directly shown. In STO, the J or Universe class is the biggest, even bigger than Vengeance.
I was going too make this comment but i figured the comments would be mostly yes. I however love the J and still hope too just see it on screen again. Till then Il just accidentally use it in missions and block all the cutscenes in STO then apologize when i realize im using the J
@@hybridtmaybe it did, but it’s not canon that it did
The Klingon Bird of Prey is the R2-D2 of the Star Trek universe:
Always there, defying expectations, with plot armor so thick it even prevents aging.
I was half expecting one to take out USS Discovery during the finale.
Love the comparison. Very true
Plot armor so thick! Lol I love it.
A bird of prey inexplicably destroying Discovery sounds lovely.
There have been many different Klingon birds of prey over the years:
M'Chla class, K'vort-class, B'rel-class, D12 class & Class 5 (pressumably there would be a class 1 to 4 as well?)
It would be more accurate to say that the bird of prey is a type of ship; a Corvette for example.
@@AccesslessExactly. They made scout class vessels in the BOP design that held only a dozen officers and men as well as larger battle ship size versions carrying much larger crew compliments. Basically an order to size type ship.( Interestingly enough, the Bird of prey in ST3 was originally a Romulan ship that the Klingons stole. Hence, the green color and bird on the underside, until the script just changed it to a Klingon vessel)
Scotty is going to have a seriously major headache when he regains conscious.
Starfleet😭 was a joke and UFP was not taken seriously by other great power that considered themselves as a galactic powers; never considered UFP😩 a power... 5:55 I am not feeling the FOMO💰... Where is my latinum #TDBank💳?🌎💘💰
Starfleet😭 was a joke and UFP was not taken seriously by other great power that considered themselves as a galactic powers; never considered UFP😩 a power... 5:55 I am not feeling the FOMO💰... Where is my latinum #TDBank💳?🌎💘💰
Bonk.
Nah he happily retired.
i am surprised having watched the whole video that Defient Class wasnt in there as a power house.. it literally is a Starfleet Warship (unofficially) its actual class is an Escort ship. but was the first war ship starfleet put into service to combat the borg. with its over charges warp core and pulse phasers (that remind me of ED209 from RoboCop when fired) thats one TOUGH little ship.. certainly one of the most powerful for its era
The Defiant is awesome but what kills me is that it was almost destroyed the first time they used it on DS9. Always baffled me.
There's an elephant in the room... the Prometheus-class.
could not agree more... I mean the thing took on 2 Akira's, a Defiant, and 3 D'deridex class Roman Warbirds. - with two EMHs (one obsolete and one 'beta') at the helm. It also disabled a Nebula for giggles.
Yeah, that multi-vector mode.
At 4:35, the Enterprise-J is the largest ship they ever built, but only shown for a brief moment during the Enterprise series. It is part of canon, but only referenced once, and no shows have been made about the Star Trek future using this ship. Thus, very little, if anything is known about it.
There is some information on it. It's on star trek online.
The Connie refit was outmatched by the Bird of Prey? The BoP commander said, and I quote, "They outgun us 3 to 1!"
And yet
@@GiantFreakinRobotit was a surprise attack on a skeleton crew on a ship that was 20 years old that hadn’t been repaired from the battle damage against khan. You sir are no Trekkie
@@GiantFreakinRobot
"The automation system is overloaded. I didnt expect us to take her into combat, ya know."
- Captain Scott
The Enterprise in this battle is barely functional. Its not really fair to hold it against her.
@@issamkholoud2009 Be nice
@@Zoroasterisk he said “and yet” he was being condescending
I realy liked how u put skemstics of all the ships. A lot of people don’t do that a lot and for people like me who have issues visualizing 3d spaces it helps to see the ship skemstics to get a real feel for it
We are just nerds for MSDs. Some day I want to do a video just going over one really good MSD in detail… but that would probably cause a mass unsubscribe from the channel😆
@@GiantFreakinRobot or a mass subscribe for other nerds like myself
One man’s trash is another’s treasure
Defiant : size matters not!!! Judge me by my size do you, hmmm?😂
It nearly tore itself apart in drills when engines were brought up to full power
She may have flaws but she has teeth
To answer this question, I think you could use a game that features as many of these ships as possible, equip them with the same or similar gear, and then test them against similar targets -- that is, if your focus is on military might, which Starfleet mostly was not. They had ships focused on exploration, science, patrol, diplomacy, defense, and projecting an image of power and strength, especially in the post-Wolf 359 era. You also have to contend with the fact that we have few or no canon feats for many Starfleet vessels, including the Universe- and Odyssey classes. Starfleet ships later specialized in specific fields and endeavours, so they would be great at one thing, and not great at others.
And then there are the outliers among their class, which were different because of what they had gone through. _USS Excelsior_ was different from other Excelsiors of her time, and completely different from _USS Lakota_ or an Excelsior-II. _USS Voyager_ was a completely different ship when she returned to Earth than the standard Intrepid-class she started as. 'Power' differs based on what it is the ship is doing.
Then there's the equipment installed. Warp drives, nacelles, power management systems, computers were all completely different in the 22nd, 23rd, and 24th centuries. Starfleet was comparatively outmoded until the later Ambassador or Narendra-classes. And the computers got overhauled again in the Intrepid's age. Starfleet's design doctrine also changed depending on what they needed, and what they had been through. The Connie and Sovereign were designed for different goals, yet the Sovy still refers back to the Connie in some ways.
And again, if you give various ships the same level of tech for their equipment, you're going to find less differences in their performances. Only their unique points would let you tell them apart. Games like _STO_ let you choose your ship without any specific requirements because only their traits and special abilities are different. You can play all the missions and beat them with any of them.
I would play the heck out of that game.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Well, you still can. It's more than time they updated the engine, though. Summer event is on. You can get a T6 ship from there if you're fast.
*cough CREW
Hold the phone partner, what happened to the DREADNAUGHT class? That was a purpose built WARSHIP.
That's the alternate timeline. We don't talk about it.
Not prime timeline
@@GiantFreakinRobot We rank the top 7 most powerful ships in the entire Star Trek franchise, including Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager, Picard, and every show and movie set in the Federation's fictional universe.
Make up your mind
Hummm same thing I was thinking that ship was a beast
@@Maddmaxx0007 It was, but it was taken out like a death star.
🎉I hate to nit pick...but i think you are confusing the 23rd century with the 2300's and the 24th century with the 2400's. The excelsior was launched in the late 23rd century, or the late 2200's. The ones launched in the 24th century would be launched in the 2300's. This was a great video though! ❤
Thanks for the kind words. You may be right on the dates!
@@GiantFreakinRobot I didn't want to say anything at first because I didn't want to seem rude. But I figured a little constructive criticism wouldn't hurt. Honestly, you put out so much good info I can see how after a while that would slip. I sometimes do the same. Any reason the Intrepid class wasn't on here in some capacity? Voyager kicked ass a whole lotta times...though we really only have her as an example unless you count the Bellerophon.
Ya that threw me off.
If l was going to be in a war in the late 24th century against an enemy, the Sovereign class is the best. My favourite ship besides the Constitution refit.
I wanted to hear more about the Defiant.
Excelsior doesn't get the respect it deserves, IMO.
If I remember correctly the Defiant was pulling its punches vs the Lakota
A bit. Lakota gave them trouble though and they had to stop
@@GiantFreakinRobotthe defiant crew specifically said that if they didn't stop they would destroy the Lakota. The Lakota was trying to disable them from the start and barely survived. The Defiant was just trying to get by.
You were correct, because of sisko’s unwillingness to fire on another starfleet vessel. He considered it an act of treason
Both vessels refused to use quantum torpedos because they refused to absolutely destroy the other. But yeah the Lakota upgrades surprised the Defiant for sure.
@samuelowens3853 actually I think the Lakota was more surprised about the defiant having ablation armor too. Captain Benzine was pissed lol. But yes, both captain refused and that is what really made love that episode
Discovery is so massively OP, in the show they have it single handedly responsible for winning the war with the Klingons. After jumping 800 years into the future, it is still OP, and the future federation reverse engineered it to improve their fleet. I believe Discovery so so massively over powered it ruined continuity.
but the thing is, Discovery sucks ass and no one considers it canon.
@@rodneytrotter3725 Strange New Worlds, Academy, and Philippa Georgiou's future Section 31 movie are all spin offs from Discovery. It really sucks, but the show runners appear to consider it canon.
Very good description of the refit constitution class. Unlike most RUclipsrs, you put them in perfect context..
One of the few videos of this kind that I watched all the way through, seems well researched. The Excelsior class is my favourite design so I may be a tad biased, though it's tough to deny how long it's been in service and how good it's been.
Thanks. Genuinely appreciate it. We take our ships seriously.
the intrepid class ships with upgrades was the best starfleet design ever
You mean with Borg tech?
Gel packs. Ablative armor. #Janeway nuff said
Yep sums it up, you forgot the juggernaut class though
You bunch of Geeks. The most powerful Star Trek Ship ever was, of course, USS Voyager under the Command of Janeway. Think about it. That's all I'm saying.
The only ship to trump several borg vessels and then say we need a bigger bad guy lol. In all seriousness though that series was terrible and I loved every moment of it XD
I'm with you! How is the Intrepid class not even mentioned? it survived 7 years in the Delta quadrant against #Vidians #Borg #Kazon #Hirogen.
In that Excelsior class vs. Defiant battle, the Defiant did not go into the battle seeking to destroy the other ship. If Worf decided to wage an all-out, balls to the wall fight from the onset of that battle, the Lakota would have been space debris.
Neither did the Lakota.
Nothing were pulling their punches, so pointing out that Defiant was without stating tbe same for Lakota is frankly dishonest.
Feact of the matter is that both were quite capable of destroying the other.
@@bairdrew I have to disagree. The Lakota fired four times before the Defiant fought back. Worf never went into that battle thinking that he would have to fight the Lakota. I just watched the clip again. Neither ship used their full compliment of weapons though, to be fair. That much is clear.
@majorsynthqed7374 for some reason autocorrect changed "both" to "nothing" which quite drastically changes what I was saying in that sentence.
Basically I agree that neither ship was trying particularly hard to defeat the other.
@@bairdrew I always wondered if Worf's inner Klingon would have kicked in and just went full kick ass mode.
@@majorsynthqed7374 I believe he'd learnt his lesson after being reamed for blowing up that cloaked transport during the klingon-cardassian conflict.
I honestly think that the Defiant class should at least be a runner up. For its size, it was incredibly powerful, and in DS9, we saw it almost regularly rip through Jem'Hadar vessels like they were nothing.
I’d say the Ambassador started building in the mid 2320s.
Figure 40 years between the launch of the major multi mission flagship classes :
2245 - Constitution
2285 - Excelsior
2325 - Ambassador
2360 - Galaxy
2400 - Odyssey
The bird of prey with a dozen crew is the B'Rel and the K'Vort class has a crew of around 50
and the Kvort is like 230m long. But its weapons stayed proportional...so VERY strong distruptors.
Yes they were pretty slapdash with it.
Sorry, as far as what ship people think about when they think of Star Trek, I think of the Constitution Class. You have to remember Star Trek has been around for a very long time now, people think of the ship they grew up with over the current trend. I think it has to do with the ship that got them involved in Star Trek in the first place.
Great Video, thank you for sharing.
I wasnt aware the Ambassador's career was that short. But i kinda figured the excelsior would win out here it fits the saying "She's old, but she'll hold" really well.
Captain Erika Benteen was not an inexperienced captain when the Lokata was sent to stop the Defiant. She was a newly commissioned captain but was a highly skilled officer.
But inexperienced as a Captain
Totally missed the Prometheus Class that was able to take on a Romulan Warbird and destroy it by itself.
One other thought - not openly discussed outside fan circles, is the idea of blocks. Not all Excelsiors were the same; refits + block enhancements. Good discussion though - thank you!
You’re welcome!
I love the galaxy class. In Picard season 3. I got pretty excited when they took it out of the museum..NCC 701 D ❤❤❤❤
Very important question. Can there really be fireworks in space?
Of course, for exactly the same reason that a modern firearm will fire at least once in vacuum: it provides its own oxidizer.
😂 No. Fireworks, smoke and flames do not show in space. Hollywood deals in fiction, not reality.
You are forgetting the most power ship ever made in star flee the oberth
It’s so powerful it doesn’t even need turbo lifts between the two hulls!
The USS Lolipop, as manned by Will Riker. He said it was a "good ship".
Made out of explodium. One hit from a Klingon photo torpedo or a light hit from a Borg cutting beam and Ta-Dah! It’s gone! 🤣
They should have renamed it the " O-Shit" class, because one good fart in it direction and it was doomed.
great video 😊 my fav is always gonna be that darn galaxy class. can't help it
Thanks! If we are talking favorites, mine is always going to be the Refit.
You really give the Connie a worf effect you know? The point is she IS that powerful, but gets crippled every time, so ingenuity using what’s left is what drives the story, and helps prevent ridiculous power creep like what happened in Star Trek Nemesis. Honestly I feel it forces better stories since it’s more about outfoxing the enemy using intelligent and combined tactics of the crew working together, then just more Dakka.
Perfect video for Friday morning thank you so much
Excellent logic for ranking ships
Perfect comment to start a Friday morning! Glad you liked it!
The vastness of space would lead to a one ship doing all things. It would be like an aircraft carrier with smaller ships that can act as a picket, fight or lifeboat. They would also be capable of multi tasking.
Think some conclusions weren't entirely based on accuracy. The Lakota was specifically upgraded and O'Brien's reaction inferred that this not not your typical Excelsior. The Defiant also falls in to this trap in the same episode having modifications that weren't known to Starfleet, however, there was only one ship of it's type so we don't know what a typical Defiant class would have. Pretty much every thing else made sense but you did slip up a few times.
My fav was the Akira class, Starfleet's battle boat from hell! It just never got the screen time outside of the video games. 😈
Great ship. But inferior to the Sovereign
It got a lot during #Startrekfirstcontact and the Dominion War on #DS9
Whoa..that Excelcior would have been wiped out without the tracking torpedo Spock sent, too. Yet somehow it survived to the picard era. In the battles mentioned Enterprise refit wasn't just 'undermanded'. It had no crew at all, with half its main power out. The first hit came with shields down.
There were a lot of Starfleet ship designs and you could never cover them all but I was surprised the Intrepid class didn't make the list. There was a whole series written around one.
The constitution class appears in TNG battle with borg plus they were briefly mentioned
"A few years" of connie refit dominance being around 20, from 2271 when Kirk went V'ger hunting, to around 2290 when the Excelsior was formally commissioned.
Great breakdown video. Well organized and entertaining. 💪🙂👍
Thanks!!
The battles between Enterprise the Reliant and the Bird of Prey in Trekk II and III are not good examples. The Reliant didnt out gun the Enterprise, it fired on a ship that was not in a battle preparation and with a training crew and the Bird of Prey was fighting a severely handicapped Enterprise. A Bird of Prey has no chance against The Enterprise in a head to head battle.
You are right, especially because the original version of the Constitution calss was built during the Four Years War, and with the intent ( I donìt know if succeded), of building a Starship capable of out performing a Klingon D7 Battlecruiser under every aspect; so a Klingon Bird of Prey would have just been reduced to space junk if matched against a Constituition class in top condition, against a Constitution Refit would have probably just turned tail and run as to live to fight another day (usually Klingons try to avoid a dishonorable death, in order to avoid ending in Gre'thor)
You make it sound like the Sovereign somewhat surpassed or countered Borg Cubes which it didn't. The whole reason why it could destroy the cube in First Contact was due to Picard's connection to the Borg. Still a great video!
I still think it had a better shot than any other ship, with or without Picard
@@GiantFreakinRobot That's totally true
True. A Borg Cube could EASILY destroy a Sovereign if it wanted to. I don't even think it could defeat a Borg Sphere in straight combat, but that's not how the Borg operate. Their goal is to assimilate, not destroy.
You'd think that given his Cube destroying knowledge can be expressed with big red X on a picture of a Cube - that he'd of just told Starfleet instead of being moody and keeping it to himself.
@@JohnnyWednesday I like the idea of the big X 🤣 but I think this was either a one time situation like structural weakness that happened during the battle. If it was an actual weakspot the Borg would quite quickly adapt, maybe even by the data they received from this fight.
The Ambassador was more akin to the Tiger tank, very powerful, very advanced but that was the issue, it was too tricky to maintain well or operate with peak efficiency, it was ahead of it's time but that was also where it fell down some times, would be like Independence day where we were trying to fly the alien ship, it was a clunky and awkward adventure which ended in a crash after a successful mission, 20 years later it was retrofitted to a good fighter fleet, the Ambassador/Galaxy story is similar to this as it was perfecting any of the Ambassador flaws.
Leaving the Defiant off of this list is a huge mistake. It consistently dominated foes that were superior in both numbers and tonnage.
It would have to beat a Sovereign. Can it?
I would argue that the Defiants cloak would give it an advantage@GiantFreakinRobot
It tore Dominion ships to hell!
Such a well done video ❤❤❤🎉
The video was entertaining. But afterwards I’m left there thinking “wtf did I just watch? A video ranking pretend spaceships based on their actions in a TV show…”
Why do you think there's more worthwhile things to be doing? the sun will swollow the earth, the universe wlll die a heat death. Just accept that it's enough to be happy and learn to play the harp.
Welcome friend. You are now one of us.
We’re all quite mad here
Meh, it's a good way to turn your brain off and have fun.
What did you thing you were going to watch when you started the video?
the u.s.s. vengeance was the all time biggest as it was a dreadnaught class.
Considering how big and complex those ships were, I'm surprised they developed new models so fast (just think how long ships and planes remain in service nowadays).
The excelsior's "transwarp" did work out was just a significantly faster warp drive, remember when sulu says come on come on and the helsman says that she'll fly apart? He wasn't kidding they're flying at speeds pushing nearly warp 9 (24th century scale of course) and with the advent of a faster warp drive it just didn't make sense to say warp 23 so they rescaled it to match the faster speeds in the late 23rd to early 24th century.
What, no love for the Defiant? That ship was one of the most iconic vessels of the Dominion War and was one of the few Starfleet ships the Founders knew by name because of how many Jem'Hadar vessels it turned to scrap metal. It was also pretty much the only Starfleet ship that was given a caveat from the Treaty of Algeron and legally allowed to use a cloaking device.
That's not how the list works. The Defiant, while being a powerful tough little ship, was never top of the line. He's not taking any bias towards hero ships, i like that.
In the beginning of the first movie, the Dreadnaught Entente is mentioned in a communication call, but never shown. Assuming it was modernized, it would have certainly been more capable than the Constitution class.
No disrespect to anyone who likes the Odyssey class but I personally have never been a fan of the design. I rather prefer the sleek and sexy design of the Sovereign, whereas the the 1701-F feels like a huge slow whale by comparison.
Im so so on how it looks but it’s so big it has to be on this list.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Oh I definitely understand that. Aesthetically speaking, for me personally I will always like the look of the refit Constitution and the Sovereign. For those folks that do like the design of the F, honestly, good for them. Glad they enjoy it.
Thank you for saying exactly what I thought of that ship. Slow whale is exactly what it looks like.
Maybe it was designed in case the whale probe comes back lol
Not all ships need to be fast or easy to maneuver, she is a bit of those big capital ships.
They all would be great if their shields didn't go down after the first volley!
What about the Dreadnought class from the reboot "Into Darkness". Yeah yeah there was only one, but massive state of the art weapons and the ability to be piloted by a minimal crew (even only 1)... is by far the strongest ship.
The constitution class starship was vicious with the M5 computer tie in. Then again, any starship would have been invincible with the M5... until they met the Borg. But, maybe the M5 could beat the Borg single handedly.
Any ship that almost breaks when useing it cannons is the one for me, USS Defiant FTW :)
I'm sorry but the Defiant was holding back. That toe-to-toe talk is crap. The Lakota was shooting to kill. And even then, the Lakota came out worse
Exactly. Defiant class can ravage a Borg Cube. The Lakota could have been obliterated in 2 firing passes.
Remember Defiant had rapid fire Planetary Class phasers !
This Brit Clown is a dum dum.
Connie refit survived a V'ger blast when Klingon comparable ships couldn't. The fight with the Reliant and first Bird of Prey were without shields. Reliant hit it with a sneak attack and the ship wasn't fully repaired against the Bird of Prey. Enterprise-A was a Connie refit tech up against a prototype Bird of Prey at the end of its life.
Excelsior refit was a great mod (like Enterprise A and Lakota).
I’m not arguing that the Connie refit wasn’t badass. It had its moments or it would not be on the list at all. But it wasn’t as far beyond the other ships of its era as the ships higher on the list.
@@GiantFreakinRobot However, the Klingon captain in Star Trek 3 was also confused, why the Enterprise didn't just finish them off. He knew that the Constitution class was a much more powerful ship. The only reason the Constitution class lost was because it simply wasn't able to take another fight because of the battle against Kahn without repairs. Even the most powerful ship can lose to a small fighter if it can't defend itself properly.
@@GiantFreakinRobot And yet a "normal" BOP destroyed a Galaxy class ship with ease.
@@Phantassm that was for plot reasons
Odessy and Thurgy class are IMHO two of the finest looking ships in the fleet.
TOS Enterprise will always have a special place.
Oh if we are going by looks this would be a very different list!
What about the uss vengeance. That thing was beast.
Defiant Class for the win!
I'm a fan of the Sovereign Class. I play STO and my favorite ship is the Lexington Class Dreadnaught.
I think the Miranda class refit should have made the list. The Miranda actually has more internal volume than a refit Constitution and on paper was quantifiably superior for combat than a Constitution having a similar number and type of phasers but also adding dual fore and aft torpedo launchers. Had the fight at Regula been a fair fight with both sides ready and no trickery they would have been evenly matched with only the legendary vs inexperienced crew truly deciding the outcome.
Where's my Excelsior mafia at!?!?!
Is it me or is this voice 100% AI?
I think the script was AI too... Yeah didn't vibe with this at all.
Finally, obviously the most recent flagship of starfleet is the most powerful. Trying to complicate it by "the most powerful is derived from the ships of it's era and how much better it is" is total junk. Honestly redo this whole video it's a joke.
@danielforeman8934 not if you're trying to put things in their historical context.
Whilst I agree with you that the use of AI voice and scripting in this vid is bad, your last comment is flatly nonsense - something isn't rubbish simply because you miss the point its trying to make.
Sorry folks! But my favorites are the Akyazi Class Perimeter Actions ships and the Abbe Class Photon Torpedo Destroyers... Nuff Said
The bulk of Starfleet’s ships were mainly used for exploring not war
Not during the Dominion War.
The Dominion War lasted 2 years@@GiantFreakinRobot
Good point. Only #Sovereign #Prometheus #Intrepid #Akira and #Defiant classes were built for combat.
Ok really? Starfleets most powerful ships and no Relativity? No Prometheus? 😮
You think Prometheus can take a Sovereign? I don’t
I'll always go with the Galaxy class because that's what I grew up with
Nicely done sir👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you kindly
Cool vid mate.
New subscriber.
Thanks!
Thanks for the sub!
@@GiantFreakinRobot, Thanks for the cool content!
So the Defiant, and Akira class are not worth mentioning compared to the Excelsior or Constitution class??
Not in that list because they never outmatched the top of the line by the time they were introduced.
No Intrepid class? That ship survived 7 years in the Delta quadrant.
Excelsior class, my favorite one.
How are the #Defiant #Akira or #Intrepid classes not included here?
Because they can’t take a Sovereign
@@GiantFreakinRobot THey're still powerful ships.
The defiant and the excelsior were holding back. The defiant would destroyed them if it was going in full power.
And so could the Lakota.
The Lakota had Quantum torpedoes onboard, which would have torn Defiant open like a tin-can if used.
@@bairdrew for one torps don't work on shields. The defiant Forward firepower was much greater. The defiant would been able to punch through the excelsior shields and release torps before they could of responded.
That's ignoring cloak of the defiant. Yes only one ship of that class had one. This discussion involves that one.
Also the defiant had quantum torpedoes as well.
@Kelshando that's nonsense.
Torpedoes do work on shielded ships. We've seen this repeatedly.
For example, go and watch the fight between thr BoP, Enterprise, and Excelsior in Undiscovered Country. It shows Chang's torpedoes going straight through Enterprises very definitely active shields.
If the torpedoes are powerful enough they can punch through active shields. Defiant's shields would not have protected her from quantum torpedoes.
Cmdr Benteen knows this, which is why she refused to use them and ceased fighting when Adm. Leyton ordered her to.
@@bairdrew and you're wrong, Star Trek lore torpedoes effectiveness was highly reduced by shields. This is why energy weapons were used to overload a enemy vessels shields. Doesn't mean you can't use them but they are greatly reduced in damage.
Defiant had a stronger hull as well as forward fire power the the Lakota. Period.
Using Undiscovered country as a argument just in facts proves my point. As the enterprise is repeatedly hit by torpedoes doing no real damage until the shields start to collapse. Compared to just a couple hits to the unshielded BoP and it blows up.
This is also demonstrated in Enterprise TV show when the BoP is hit from the front and does almost no damage do to reenforced shields. The Enterprise had to loop around to hit the aft of the BoP to destroy it in just a couple of hits.
This has been established Star Trek lore for a very long time.
@Kelshando no, I'm not.
Watch the frigging episode and the movie.
You're spouting this childish nonsense about *lore* like it somehow trumps what happens in the media it's derived from.
It's simple.
If your "lore" contradicts what occurs on screen, then it's wrong and so are you.
Probably get attacked for bringing up the reboots but the scimitar on Star Trek 2 into darkness was pretty badass .. it was larger faster and had more firepower, could fire while in warp .. I really wanted to see that large disrupter lazer fire 🔥 even if that meant the enterprise got blown up
You miss the most powerful warship, the USS vengeance.
Alternate Kelvin timeline. But you're right; that ship would kick every Starfleet, Breen, Dominion, or Borg ship's ass!
That and Defiant Class.OPPS !
8:43 "Despite its massive size, the Galaxy class was the fastest ship of its time ever produced, and was also surprisingly maneuverable."
_Somewhere, in another galaxy, Lando Calrissian and Han Solo are smiling...._
The Constitution class refit was taken out by a bird of prey due to the electrical short in the automation which left the ship helpless. This is true, although it only had 6 crew members if I remember correctly, at the time. But you seem to have forgotten that the Galaxy class with a full crew was taken out by an antique bird of prey. The Galaxy class did have very good fire power and excellent shields, but it was a paper tiger. If you could get past it's shields, it was easy prey as it couldn't take a hit without shields.
Although it isn't relevant to this list, I have always hated the way it looked. To me it looked like it belonged on a space version of the love boat, not like a ship that was expected to be able to fight. At least that does explain why it couldn't take a hit without shields. On the other hand the Constitution was made with the idea of having to be able to handle it's self without help. And the way it looks shows it. It looks like it can take a hit and was made to be maneuverable. It had a better turning radios than any comparable ship of the time. It was the ship that saved the federation in the Klingon war.
Although I do believe that the Constitution should be higher on the list, I must admit that you done a much better job on this list than I would have myself. Well done!!
Purely a personal opinion, but the "All or Nothing" armour design of the Galaxy Class made sense. The challenge is mass. Even with the very loose adherence to physics in Star Trek, the Galaxy (and Nebula class), would have been ungodly heavy. As a primarily deep space explorer and first responder to emergencies, her monstrous engines were already an essential requirement for speed. It's logical to forgo the mass of physical defenses in exchange for maneuverability (which would already be a problem in a ship that size). Despite their need to create tension for exciting TV, Enterprise D's deflectors should have been able to tank far mor than what was depicted. When you add those phaser banks that could level cities...
As for the Constitution Class her hull was built before the defector screens were even a standard part of the loadout, Enterprise Refit possibly having one of the earliest setups, at least that's how it appeared to me in The Motion Picture when they first encountered V'Ger.
@@andytol1976 First of all, don't worry about me getting offended just because you have a different opinion. That is how we should learn. ;-}}
I would say that your reasoning for the lack of armor would make since if it was made as one solid ship, although I would still disagree with it as a ship that size will never be hard to hit. But with it being made to separate, that should not be a problem. I know that for budget reasons in the show they didn't use that ability. But it is still a part of the ship. In my opinion what they should have done with the Galaxy design was to armor everything except the saucer section. Then when they separated, it would have been a deadly ship.
Regarding the Constitution class ship. It was originally made as a combat ship, although not a dedicated war ship. That was a large part of it's concept. And it always had shields. They just got an upgrade to them in the movie. One of the big advantages of the Constitution was that it was more maneuverable than it's Klingon counterpart.
Let's just say it as it is. The writers had to think of something to get rid of the Enterprise D to make room for a starship that fits better for the movies. :(
Hated that ship with that big ass saucer.
I love the lines and the look of the Excelsior. Sleek massive and classy. My favorite.
Next favorite is probably Sovereign class Enterprise.
Third is USS Nebula.
None of these have anything to do with power. Purely a looks thing.
I'd say the agility of the Galaxy class shown in Picard was a retcon tbh. It's never been shown being so agile. I would say it was possibly a limitation of model movement in TNG, but it was CGI in the Dominion war
Whilst I agree the agility of the galaxy class is a retcon, I disagree with your reasoning why.
Right up through to the end of ST:Enterprise, shops were always treated as if they had mass. They took time to maneuver.
In almost all respects they acted like warships of the big-gun era that Roddenberry would have learned about on the radio or in magazines as a child.
When ST:Picard came along, it was at a time when that convention had long been abandoned by scifi shows for pure spectacle.
Technical limitations aren't germane because the concept qas different.
The Enterprise D was empty on Picard S3. No civilian, no children, no labs, no sickbay, no cargo, nothing.
Just space frame, engine, limited fuel, torpedoes and 4 people onboard.
Of course it got so agile.
good video, thanks
but.... Defiant? Prometheus? :-)
Both ships have to face off against the Sovereign and neither can beat it.
It is vital to point out that Starfleet was planning to retire the refitted Enterprise 1701 because it was too old, and was heavily damaged because of the attack by Reliant.
Right but it wasn’t all that old by that point
Although set in the Kelvin timeline the Dreadnought Class was bigger than the Odyssey class, at least twice the size.
The most powerful ship is whatever one Captain James T. Kirk and his crew are in command of at the time.
Exactly! The best ships had the best captains; #Archer #Kirk #Sisko #Picard #Janeway
Dam head banging I love it!
Haha thanks. We thought it was funny at least
Great video, as are the rest of them. Question, am I right in interpreting you are only including production ships within the original timeline? The USS Vengeance would surely be included even though it had a very short lifespan!
Yeah prime timeline only
@@GiantFreakinRobot you won’t catch me raising a fuss about not including what JJ did to ST…
@@GiantFreakinRobot …as it should be thanks to our pal JJ, destroyer of many universes.
Voyager kick every ass in the Delta Quadrant.
Yeah but you don’t really believe it’s a more powerful ship than the Sovereign or Galaxy do you?
@@GiantFreakinRobot - Why not - you think an ancient constitution class is more powerful than them. You've made me so mad! I've had to buy an ice cream.
Preach it!
Of their respective era, I would place the AGT Enterprise D (Galaxy X) and USS Prometheus with multi-vector-assault mode as the deadliest starfleet starships. We see the Prometheus easily disable a Nebula class. It destroys a Romulan D'Deridex flagship with absolute ease, and only being manned by 2 EMH holograms.
AGT Enterprise easily destroys a Klingon Flagship Negh'Var, while tanking shots from a second.
I do not know if these specs are considered cannon or not, but the NCC1701-J was supposed to be almost two miles in length. Or 3.2 KM. A Borg cube for comparison is 3kmsq. Far more mass, but not as wide in any direction.
Kruge did say they had him outgunned 10 to 1. Enterprise could have reduced that bird of prey to ash in both III and VI had it not been for the fact that both times she was at a disadvantage. In fact, Enterprise could have finished off the bird of prey in VI by herself after blowing it out of cloak.
Yes they are all beautiful ships in their own Era of designs, time of service star trek has some great ships. The battle star Galactica ships were cool to the 70's TV show .
BSG ships are so underrated
By your logic then the sovereign would have gone into full series production like the excellcior. Only replaced my the Picard series 1 fleet
It did
I’d accept that. Şov is not really that big. It’s about the same mass pas nebula and Akira. A lot smaller than galaxy.
And in canon there are lots of those ships in the fleet.