Hey guys, welcome to the first upload of the day for the Warlock Class destroyer.. yup.. THIS IS THE ONLY UPLOAD I HAVE DONE TODAY WITH NO MAJOR CHANGES WHEN I REALIZED I USED A FRAKKING TEST COPY INSTEAD OF THE ACTUAL VIDEO.. Yeeeeeeeuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuppppppppp
I think the term "Dry Weight" may refer to the weight of the ship before it's fully loaded with ordinance, personnel, Starfuries, shuttles and various miscellaneous cargo and supplies.
FYI @Lore Reloaded 'Dry Weight' means how much a ship weights without it's munitions, supplies, fuel, cargo, and crew. It's a throw back to ocean going ships but in modern times it's been applied to aircraft and land vehicles as well.
@@jamesfry8983 It's still added weight that would have to be taken into account while maneuvering, since the more mass that needs to be moved, the more energy is required as thrust.
@@jamesfry8983 Dry Mass then, it still takes more energy (in the form of reaction gas) to move the International Space Station than it does to move a football sized mini satellite. And you can't stick a Starfury engine on a Omega Class Destroyer and expect it to move as fast as the Starfury. TL:DR *_Same dif'_*
1. The Earth Minbari war was the reason for the design of this vessle. 2. The ship was always intended for AG. The original gravitic drive was human designed based off of aquired tech and could only generate .3 G. The ability to create stronger AG fields came when the EA joined the IA and received Minbari based AG. 3. The Warlock was unique among younger races as it could recharge it's jump engines almost immediately after a jump. 4. Most of the Shadow tech meant for the Warlock was tacked onto the Omega X destoyers. The EA engineers Couldn't finish the warlocks fast enough to enter the Earth Civil War so Clark's people tacked the Shadow Tech onto the Omega's hoping they could gain an advantage. 5. The rail guns were meant to defeat energy dispersing armor.
On the last one that was a Minbari choice of disabling weapon as all Minbari capital ships( Tinashi during the first shadow war and the Sharlin has at least 1 mass driver installed).
Virginia Hansen, the particle beam power output is nearly the same as Shadow Death Rays. In fact anything less than a vorlon cruiser is getting killed in one shot.
@@QuantumNova "nearly the same as a shadow death ray" Yeah, no they weren't. Sure, they were powerful cannons but they were pointed in a single direction and needed to cool down after being fired. They had a similar power output to the Minbari cruiser main guns or the smaller guns on a Victory class (which are the same as the Minbari cruiser main weapons) but they couldn't pivot them to aim in different directions like the above mention ships could, they had to move the ship. They also couldn't fire them in succession like the Minbari cruisers could. There are a few ships that could take a hit from them, the Victory class and Omega-X come to mind. I'd imagine they can also be evaded by smaller ships like white stars pretty easily. Any ship would be hard pressed trying to evade a shadow weapon. It's a good advancement for earth force and powerful ship but far from anything the Minbari and even Centauri have.
@@Bitchslapper316 I'am not agree with you. Minbari - yes, but not Centauri. Warlock can easy handle with Primas, or, even two. As for the Vorchan's, it can lose to them in close maneuvering combat, but in a head-on battle they have no chance. Of course, there must be several of them, not one.
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I prefer the Omega. It's more unconventional. Anyway, according to JMS's short stories (iirc), the Warlock was designed without artificial gravity, and that tech was later given to Earthforce by the ISA as part of their technological exchange program. It had initially been intended to simply do without gravity, probably as a budget move, and adding gravity at the end was kind of an unexpected windfall.
I just rewatched Rising Star, the penultimate episode of Season 4, and the Warlock class is what Ivanova gets assigned to when artificial gravity has just that second been offered to Earth as part of Interstellar Alliance membership. So the Warlock had to exist pre the gravity option for Ivanova to be getting one that fast, I just remain puzzled as to why such a shiny new ship wouldn't have had an Omega class approach to grav. Hell of a retrofit?
I have never clicked on a video so fast. I personally love the Warlock class. It’s a good replacement for the Omega Class Destroyers, but it also counts as a Dreadnaught because of the overpowered weapons and the fact that there were only 50 of them constructed that we know about. It’s got every possible weapon the Earth Alliance had available that WASN’T Shadow Technology including the kitchen sink... and I think a Gelato machine was in the CIC for General Susan Ivanovo if she ever came onboard one.
Captain Sinclair Is dreadnaught an actual class in Bab5? My understanding is it was just an informal umbrella term for various battleships (IRL), that people want to make seem a bit more intimidating lol
@@aspire4more Nova class was a dreadnought. IRL, HMS Dreadnought was a ship that featured so many design improvements, it made other battleships obsolete. Thus you had pre and post Dreadnought battleships, with the latter being shortened to just Dreadnoughts.
ReddwarfIV very interesting, ill have to read up on this tonight. im not to familiar with Her Majesties Navy or Navy terms, just for clarification, is the British use of the term “Dreadnaught” and “pre-Dreadnaught” informal? Or official class names? As I know it’s a real term, my understanding is its just extremely informal, As in all dreadnaughts are actually just battleships, by class
@@aspire4more All Dreadnoughts were battleships, yes. The most distinctive difference is the types of guns used. Pre-Dreadnoughts had a mix of primary and secondary weapons. Post-Dreadnoughts mounted all large guns.
It is used by historians to describe battleships in the era just before and during World War I. The navies of the world didn't have any official classes called 'dreadnoughts', as all ships of large size with big guns and heavy armor were classified as battleships, but the term was widely used. It also denotes ships with the "all same caliber big gun" main armaments, as opposed to mixed calibers of large guns. After WWI, it is assumed that almost all battleships (except a few crappy ones that Germany was allowed to keep under the Treaty of Versailles) were dreadnoughts, as the older pre-dreadnoughts were hopelessly outclassed. The 1922 Washington Naval Treaty placed total tonnage limits on battleships, so almost all of the pre-dreadnoughts were scrapped.
Then why didn't they send out Psi corp to nick some on the quiet? [I have a much more detailed comment of my own about this, it does go on a bit, but covers the bases].
I'm an English speaker by birth. American English even more so than other versions of English has a tendency to mug other languages and go though their pockets for loose grammar and vocabulary, it also like to just make stuff up as it goes. Earth Alliance technology is very similar in that regard, and I expect those members of psi Corp that could handle subtle probing of alien minds helped with that alot.
Sean Wadey ...And this is why English has become the effective lingua franca of the planet. Even non-speakers have been exposed to enough English (unless they live in a nation such as North Korea) to get the gist of the language. (The mugging for loose words and phrases is just a bonus. 😉) As for making stuff up as they go along - Germany just tapped you on the shoulder. They want you to (sorry about this one) hold their beer... (runs and hides in shame)
As I said in the last one I think this ship was built along with the Valenn class destroyer. But was rushed due to the need of the type of ship it was rushed without improved armor.
Great ship. After the earth/minbari war the EA always compared their ships to the Sharlin Cruiser. I always loved the Warlock. Simple, Beautiful, Lethal.
Thats Just Prime on paper, the Warlock is supposed to be a one-to-one match against the Sharlin. We’ll never know if it’s true, though. Plus, there are thousands of Sharlins and only 50 Warlocks.
That's Why earth eventually rebelled, Terrans like hoarding advance tech even if it's inferior to other ancient races tech like mimbari, centauri, or vorlon
Not all of Earth, just a group of fascist isolationists, seeking to rewrite history for their own benefit. Not sad to see them destroyed, just sad that they took the rest of Earth with them.
@@artembentsionov Well, they eventually got their wish, Earth nuked itself into the dark ages. The Interstellar Alliance and the other human colonies were merciful enough to provide humanitarian aid (in secret), despite how fanatically isolationists and backwards the entire planet became after that civil war. I mean think about it, it must have gotten really backwards if they were using candle light and the Catholic Church was running the world, again.
Wen L. The thing was a nod to A Canticle for Leibowitz. Not sure about isolationism, but it seems that much knowledge was lost and the monks were helping to preserve it, although it got distorted. At least they only got thrown back to the Middle Ages and have help from above. I was reading a novel where they learn that civilization is about to come to an end. When someone suggests that humanity will bounce back, even if it takes hundreds of thousands of years, the scientists explain that no, it won’t happen. All easily-accessible resources have been used up. How can you enter the Bronze Age without copper or tin? How about the Iron Age without, well, iron? Those resources might be available, but in deep inaccessible locations. So civilization will be doomed to stay primitive.
Of note. The Warlock was also FAST. In the A call to arms movie, when the Shadow cloud is dying and Sheridan orders and evac. You can see a Warlock, easily keeping pace with the Excalibur.
I'm going to have to rewatch that scene. I remember the speed of the Omegas and was amazed because they were never viewed that way, but I don't recall a Warlock at all. That battle had so much going on I must have missed it.
The warlock was great for earthforce but as the viewer was so overshadowed (no pun intended) by the Excalibur that so many didn't even notice it on screen at times.
Looks a bit like the Kushan destroyer and heavy cruiser from Homeworld. [nods appreciatively] I like it! Having room for *eighty* *thousand* troops is pretty amazing. "Mobile base" is right: that figure is almost half the size of the entire active-duty US Marine Corps. Three _Warlock_ class "destroyers" could fit the entire USMC, both active and reserves, with enough room left over for another two or three battalions. No idea how they packed that many men into something less than one and a quarter miles long, but that's future tech for you. Impressive!
If I had to guess, full complement probably puts 99% of the personnel into cryo-stasis in some form or another. that way they could be packed in like sardines and pulled out on an as needed basis
Travel times aren't huge in B5. A trip from Earth to Babylon 5 could takes months, but that was because of connecting flights at ports of call along the way, as well as non-hyperspace travel to and from jump gates by ships that weren't equipped with their own jump engines (essentially, the vast majority of Earth's non-military vessels.) A straight-shot trip from Earth to Epsilon Eridani takes approximately 72 hours with a jump-capable vessel, and due to the pecularities of hyperspace, traveling a longer distance didn't necessarily take more time on a linear scale (for example, a non-stop run to Centauri Prime from Earth took approximately four days, even though Centauri Prime was twice the distance from Earth in lightyears than Epsilon Eridani.) In essence, you're thinking in old nautical terms of shipping doughboys off to Europe on freighters only capable of 10 knots instead of something more akin to loading troops on a train from New York to San Francisco; large accommodation spaces would be unnecessary for long term comfort, and 2000 bunks and 6000 seats with hot-bunking on a six hour rotation would be more than sufficient to deliver 8000 combat troops to pretty much anywhere in the known universe in less than a week's time. That aside, a ship at roughly a mile long, 1000 feet wide and, say, 6 decks, would still have over 22 Million square feet of deck space...even assuming a two-thirds reduction in space for engines, systems, etc; that leftover would factor out to roughly 1380 square feet of space per person at a compliment of 16,000 people...a full studio apartment larger than the largest average apartment size in the US of 1038 square feet.
@@digitalis2977 You make good points. However, the troop numbers... I listened to Lore's video a couple times to make sure I didn't mis-hear his number, and looked up his source on B5Tech.org to confirm. It's not _eight_ thousand troops. Those things carry *_EIGHTY_* thousand soldiers. That puts their personal space at about 134 square feet - still larger than I expected, but that's a monk's cell or a small college dorm room, not a large apartment. And it assumes the space devoted to the troops is all bunkhouses, and not intruded on by space needed for ground vehicle storage and maintenance, conference rooms, intel centers, mess halls, locker rooms, exercise spaces, chapels, armories, machine shops, or rooms for any of the other specialized functions that you need if you plan on leading that many troops. Eighty thousand troops is a _huge_ commitment of manpower.
One thing I loved about B5 was it's sense of tech progression. For examples in most sci-fi series when an advanced propulsion tech like grav-tech is developed you see it instantly replace older drives but in this series shows races that just started to use grav-tech don't ditch conventional engines right away but rather since these early grav engines are less efficient and less reliable they also use more reliable conventional engines in tandem with them (which is the same thing that happens IRL after turbines driven propellers started to become common in the late 1800's, most ships still used sails as either back ups or to get a little extra speed).
As far as I remember the ship rolled out without the shadow armor that it was designed to have. Eventually I believe this was rectified making the ship one of the most feared ones fielded among all the races. This includes the minbari.
According to the novels(which are canon), the shadowtech on the Warlock's is pretty much an automated remote control, allowing the Shadows or their thralls to take over control of the Warlock's if and when they wanted and use the ship without any crew on board. Basically the same thing that was done with the remote controlled Centauri Vorchan's in Season 5, just hardwired into the design instead of tacked on afterwards.
So IIRC the short story 'Hidden Agendas'' (written by JMS and published in the B5 magazine) is what made the idea of the Warlock containing shadow tech canon, and it was shown to, at least, be embedded in the ship's computer and crew interface elements. I think one of the displays freaked out on Sheridan when he came on board, it's been a few years since I read it. I *think* it's also canon that the main particle cannons are the same (or at least the same power) as the ones used by the Earth planetary defense grid, which were capable of spectacular damage (IIRC one alone could glass an appreciable portion of the Eastern seaboard, as noted during the 'scorched earth' sequence at the end of season 4). I can't cite source for this however, so take that as 'something some guy read once'
@@QuantumNova Having seen what a few Omegas with shadow armour could do to a whole fleet of White Stars in 'Between The Darkness And The Light'. That Warlock design would have been terrifying.
@@VallornDeathblade True. Though White Stars, while technologically superior, were frigates. Too small to keep battling capital ships as they had during the Shadow and Earth Civil Wars. Hence the Victory Class, as Sheridan himself states in Call to Arms.
The ship designs in Babylon 5 are pretty much all fantastic. From the heavy industrial look of the Earth Alliance ships, to the sleek, vaguely triangular ships of the Mimbari, to the ostentatious and somewhat ceremonial Centauri and the practical stubby wedge shaped Narn vessels. And then you have the absurd First Races ships which break all the established rules and just do their own thing while flipping every other race the bird.
I LOVE this ship! Just the little bit we've seen of it was enough to make it one of my favorite B5 ships, and I'm so sad we never really got to see it beyond it's single appearance in Crusade and a few shots in Lost Tales.
I really wish we saw more of the Warlock to get more background and hard stats. Maybe someday, someone will reboot the series or continue it...if tightscever get released.
If they did, and if they got good writers, consider most of the original assets got deleted and in a post Expanse entertainment environment expect redesigns for most of the younger races ships, especially the EA.
It was one of the jms short stories for the B5 magazine that had Shadow Technology in the computer system. The End of the Line Crusade Season 1 finale would have shown the EA Research Base that created the semi-Shadow ships that destroyed Gideon’s ship and where they were working on more Shadow Tech. These are the folks that eventually start the Civil War in 1000 some years in the B5 episode looking towards the future. This script would have also shown that the Technomages all have Shadow technology implanted in them as the reason the Technomages left Known Space. Also in the canon Technomage Trilogy, the danger with Shadow tech that no one except the Drakh and Technomages know is that it has user tiers like a network. Shadows gave the stuff away to cause chaos, but they didn’t want it to hurt them, so they could shut off their tech or control it wither the person using it wants to or not. The next line down is the Drakh and Technomages, and then what ever race the tech was given to. The more Shadow tech get out there, the more control the Drakh have and can start up multiple wars indirectly because someone else is under their control like the Centauri,
Always loved the Warlock class. The thing is a beast and looks the damn part! The fact that so little is known about it is what I think really draws my interest.
Woohoo my favorite B5 ship. If you watch the show it says Earth was working on gravitic drives but the Mimbari ended up just giving them the tech. Read up on The Strelas'tha Incident. A rogue Mimbari Sharlin ambushes a EarthForce Warlock as it exits its jump and still gets its ass kicked by the Warlock. Well if you mean the first ship shot that is. If you mean the big space battle then that is from a scene in The Lost Tales.
I love this ship, buuuuuuuut I wish they'd bothered to create an advanced escort ship to compliment it rather that sticking with the ancient as hell Olympus class corvette
Well as a massive b5 fan here is what i understand is the history of the warlock. Season 4 of babylon 5, just after the shadow war and the earth civil war the intersellar alliance accepts earth into its alliance, and promises to teach them how to use gravity without spinning parts, at the same time susan asks for a one year shake down cruise on the "new warlock cruisers" Thus the warlocks had to be almost finished by time the ISA offered the tech which seemed to be a major pull for joining, so it seems quite likely their version wasn't yet ready, but upon joining the ISA shared this within the first couple of months of earth joining and the warlock susan was serving on was likely rolled out either with the new upgrades, or prior to the upgrades. It makes sense for her tour to be delayed a couple of months to complete work on such an important feature though since Susan had worked in gravity for the past four years, though she had many hours in a star fury cockpit its possible she was used to it enough.. but i find it unlikely. So its possible it was inspired by shadow tech and they just hadn't worked out the kinks yet.. and it was one of those "we'll get it at some stage" projects, but due to the president accepting the offer it wasn't yet ready, and the benefit of getting this tech as soon as possible would be major contracts for ships.. retro fitting older ships it would be a massive boon, and a great project to get people behind.
I believe the Shadow tech involved is the same kind of tech that the Darkh used to control unmanned Centauri and we know that several races got their hands on the tech from destroyed ships so it would make sense that earth got some as well especially with their past experiences with Shadow ships and tech and they would definitely see the value of being able to control unmanned warship from great distances or take control of ships commanded by rebellious crews. The reason I believe this is that In the novel Hidden Agenda After Sheridan confirmed the presence of dormant Shadow tech on Ivanova's, ship he devised a plan that would prevent the dormant technology from taking control of the ship using Kosh Ulkesh, old transport ship to suppress the dormant Shadow technology inside the ship.
Those Aegis GOD cannons can punch right through any known ship, including the Minbari Sharlin. The armor is designed to be able to take some hits from the Sharlin's main beam weapon. ECM and censors are still not as advanced as the Minbari ones and don't completely get around the Minbari stealth systems. Warlock is definitely one of the most powerful ships in the post-First Ones B5 universe.
I'd always figured the Warlocks got their gravitic tech straight from the Minbari as a result of EA joining the ISA. Though it was a late addition to a design originally intended to have a rotating section.
If you listen to the series, it actually says the minbari give earth gravitic technology after the end of the alliance civil war and the dissolution of the league of non aligned worlds. The Excalibur class ships for the new alliance were also built at earth controlled yards allowing for seepage of technology.
The Lost Tales. It was a dream vision Galen gave to Sheridan of a future, where Cartagia’s son decides to eliminate Earth (presumably he ascends to the throne after Vir). Not sure how believable it all is, since it’s just an extrapolation and meant to scare Sheridan into action.
Some other nerd probably already pointed this out, so I acknowledge not only am I that guy today, but one of many, but: dry weight in these terms refer to mass before fuel is added (considering how much damn fuel is necessary in realistic settings)...
To be even more precise, without any consumables and cargo on board. So, not just fuel but also ammunition and any carried spacecraft are excluded, as well as any supplies for repair and crew.
Dry weight = unload and unmanned. No fuel, no fluid of any-kind, no cargo, not a thing on it other than what it needs to qualify for rolling off the assembly line
After the human race was almost wiped out by the Mimbari, They were out looking for any and All tech from other star systems or races to advance their military and This ship is the result.
Instead of a snarky comment about dry weight , maybe you should learn what dry weight actually is . One of the other commenters defined it perfectly . Perhaps you should go read through the comments and check it out . Dry weight means something to geeks like us . In case you don't go look through the comments dry weight means what a particular vehicle weighs completely empty . It's a very common measurement with .... wait for it .... ships .
The earth alliance did a good job period in trying to close that technology gap they had against the older races. I bet ipx had a big role in their rapid development of technology.
"Dry Weight" is the actual weight of the ship, without anything else added, such as Crew, Supplies, Ammo, etc. The Warlock class is a important ship to me, when Agents of Gaming was doing their Babylon 5 Wars wargame, the in game design for the Warlock was released and was covered with Mass Drivers. Different than the armament listed in the video. I sent a email to the company about the "Retro" weapons on a "advance technology" ship, and how Pulse/laser arrays woudl make more sense, making a joke about how I just might have predicted the first variant of the ship. A few days later they released on their website the design for the Warlock-B, replacing the Mass Drivers, with Medium Pulse/Laser arrays. I have always felt I was responsible for the design of the variant.
Hm...didn't they salvage the Dralafi (the Blackstar in human english)? Yes, the ship was broken, but some hardware did survive and they studied what they got their hands on! This included a damaged gravitic engine of minbari design (that's why they didn't get it to work easily because it was damaged and they didn't know the science behind it, at least not all of it!) :) Some Minbari-Vessels? That thing was built in order to take out the Sharlin-Warcruiser, so yeah I doubt the Minbari have anything that can take it in 1 on 1 (unless the stealth tech/sensor-jamming still works, which I doubt!)
You're assuming (a) that Earth would still be in conflict with the Minbari (which clearly ended with Sheridan and Delenn), and (b) that it would always be ONE Warlock against ONE Sharlin! Two or more Sharlins could destroy a Warlock, I'm sure...even with its' advanced tech! Several Whitestars could destroy a Shadow vessel; why not Sharlins against a Warlock? Remember - Warlocks were really expensive, and Earth Force didn't have many of them that we could see! Ivanova captained the first TEST BED ship, to see how it would perform; if it turned out to be a failure (always a possibility), then what would Earth Force have had then? No Warlocks, and no advanced Omegas! So, Earth Force wouldn't be going around picking fights with the Warlocks until they could demonstrate that the design and operation of those ships were feasible - and Ivanova was the best person to do that! She had more experience with commanding alien ships than anyone else in Earth Force - who ELSE would you get to skipper a Warlock?
A small correction : after the civil war the earth alliance joined the interstellar alliance as a result the minbari shared their engine tech (can't remember the name of episode). which is likely where the Warlock class got Artificial gravity as it was a byproduct of the minbari engine tech.
Gravitic Drive was given to Earth Alliance to bring them into the Interstellar Alliance after the Earth Civil War. Delenn and Londo helped negotiate this with the transition Earth Alliance government.
I honestly would've preferred to have seen this ship get introduced in A Call To Arms and be the flagship for the Crusade spinoff over the Excalibur class dreadnought. The Warlock makes more sense for the premise of the show and fits in better with the B5 aesthetic, whereas the Excalibur looks and feels like it was imported from a different sci-fi series.
"Dry Weight" could refer to "drydock" - when the ship is still undergoing construction (or repairs) and doesn't yet have the added weight of supplies, people, fighters, ammunition and fuel, etc. etc.
It’s an awesome ship. One thing about B5 is you never really seen the humans fight anyone except themselves or the mimbari. It would have been awesome to see earth alliance ships in the post shadow war fight against the Centauri. Still the show has to be one of my favorite shows
You mean in Babylon 5, humanity is the alien people that take all the ship pieces to make into their ship pieces, so now they are strong? I can hear the lines right now. "Oh, no. It's another Drala Fe. Retreat"
The "mm" measurements are all millimeters... "Four 40 millimeter pulse cannons," etc. Also, as has been stated before, the Minbari shared the gravitic tech both during the Shadow War (limited with their allies), and post-Earth Alliance Civil War (after the founding of the ISA)
The dry weight of a spacecraft is the mass of the spacecraft without oxidiser, fuel or other consumables. It is not necessarily the same as burnout mass, as burnout mass may have residual propellant and consumables. What I found for Dry weight could mean for spacecraft.
While it has been years (15+ years if memory serves) since I've watched the season 4 of Babylon 5, I think the Minbari bestowed the gift of gravidic propulsion on the Earth Alliances as a bargaining chip to get Earth join the Interstellar Alliance and to make it easier for them (Earth) to swallow a very particular pill... Sheridan wasn't an undisputed hero to Earth after president Clark was overthrown, and as such he was actually asked to resign from the EAS, and actually wouldn't be allowed to fill any position of significance as he was technically both a hero and a traitor to Earth. As a result it didn't sit too well with the newly appointed president of the Earth Alliance, that the Interstellar Alliance had already decided to make Sheridan president, before Earth was even offered membership. Anyway - That's how I remember of the end of the president Clark story arc... Mind you I may be completely of base here. I only got the chance to view the series once, as it's next to impossible to find either on streaming services (That are available in my region) or on DVD/BluRay, and the series was only aired once on any of the national channels...
@R Bartram I can't name a single episode, so I'm going to take your word for it :-) Haven't had access to B5 for 15+ years... But yeah - I do remember that Ivanova had requested a transfer after the death of Marcus and end of the Clark regime. And what is this thing - People in agreement with each other... Isn't this the Internet where everyone are disagreeing with everything :-p
They even gave it a battleship gray look instead of the dark gray that the Omega uses. I actually like the Omega’s look. It was inspired by the Leonov in 2010.
The Warlock class, from my understanding, harnessed Shadow tech involving advanced material design, like the Hull plating and sensors, like biological and machine integration. Not enough is known on any power breakthroughs. The IA gave them the gravitic technologies, in conjunction with what Humans had been working on already, and thus integrated into the Warlock class. Compare that to the IAS excalibur, which utilized Minbari, Vorlon and Human tech. Would love to see those two in battle.
The Minbari gave Earth Force antigrav technology; not the IA. That happened immediately after the Earth Civil War ended - but before Earth signed on to the IA. Earth and Minbar would have become allies anyway; especially since a Human and a Minbari were running the new IA. Minbar gave Earth the tech as a gesture of friendship...and Earth Force immediately added it to the Warlock design. Antigrav is a lot simpler to integrate than something like the stealth skin of Minbari cruisers, or advanced weapons. Earth had already made a lot of progress in those areas, which is one reason the Warlocks were designed and built - as testbeds for the newer technologies. That's also another reason why they put Susan Ivanova in command of the first ship in the class - she was the only Earth captain who had command experience with alien ships (other than John Sheridan, who they'd kicked out of Earth Force as a condition of not charging him with treason)! The Shadows gave Earth Force nothing groundbreaking except for hull armor technologies, in order to make the Omegas more survivable against Sheridan's forces! Everything else - the Shadows kept from Earth Force, for fear that their own tech would be turned against them. They were already fighting one Human - Sheridan - and didn't want to give any others the ability to hurt them! So the Omegas got the advanced armor, but little else. Why do you think Ivanova's Whitestar fleet was still able to destroy the advanced Omegas? The Whitestar's weapons were superior to the advanced Omega vessels, and when concentrated enough - proved they could cut through even Shadow armor grafted onto the advanced Omegas. Those Omegas were given Shadow tech for one reason, and one reason only - to kill Sheridan's forces! But they weren't up to the task.
@@SeatBill I agree. However, the Advance Omegas did prove to be a viable threat, the fleet managing to kill several whitestars. The primary directive would have been to abush sheridan and his forces, however the Whitestars anticipated this and attacked first. Hell, even Susan was mortally wounded, resulted in the death of Marcus. We have to assume that the powers at be in Earthdome would have uses that data to further refine the shadow hull technology. Now, I am under the impression that the Warlock Class has Shadow tech?
Check out Babylon 5 Wars (the tabletop game) for additional info. As I understand it, that was made under licence by the show's developers. The Warlock is an absolute beast of a ship. Those particle cannons were originally mounted on the orbital weapon platforms surrounding Earth.
While there is some interesting information there, it has been expressly stated by JMS that it is NOT canon. The game designers just started throwing numbers and stats around that 'sounded good'... :(
The weight would be calculated as they were being designed and constructed so inertia in every direction could be accurately calculated. Hard to know how powerful your navigational thrusters, main and jump engines need to be if you don't know the mass of the ship before taking on stores and crew, as well as their weight.
If only we got another season or two of crusade we could have seen the Warlock in action. To my understanding in the second season or so the plague would have been cured which kicked off the main plot of crusade revolving around Susan Ivanova's Warlock and the dormant shadow tech exposing something happening on earth. Would kick off a big story arc around the Warlock class destroyer and have the crew split from the earth alliance. Plus you know, more Galen. Oh and a few episodes with Bester.
Fun fact: Walter Koenig (Bester) had the full script for the next episode to be filmed and had been fully paid for the work when the call came in announcing it's cancellation.
Where did the footage of the warlocks fighting Centauri cruisers come from? I thought i had seen every episode of B5 and Crusade and a Warlock never appears in any of but but by name.
@@DrOneOneOne agreed but if you remember that episode where Sheridan had 25000 troops turn up on babylon 5 think was 1 or 2 zero gravity transport ships I highly doubt conditions were comfortable aboard.
@mandellorian The imagined scale of the thunderbolt fighter is off. You can see the pilot in the cockpit, and it's nowhere near the size of the shuttle.
Also in an episode of crusade (b5 spinoff) only a few were in service by that point just FYI. And imo is a really great design definitely a fan of this class.
If anything it's the other way round. Babylon 5 came out a few decades before The Expanse (though the images here are from "The Lost Tales" which are quite a bit younger than Babylon 5 proper). These two series have quite a few similarities and I love them both. ^^
@@Norbert_Sattler Yes of course is B5 much older. My comment should not be a reproach to anyone. I noticed only the similarity between these ships. ;)
Hey guys, welcome to the first upload of the day for the Warlock Class destroyer.. yup.. THIS IS THE ONLY UPLOAD I HAVE DONE TODAY WITH NO MAJOR CHANGES WHEN I REALIZED I USED A FRAKKING TEST COPY INSTEAD OF THE ACTUAL VIDEO.. Yeeeeeeeuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuppppppppp
I liked the original version. But I like all your videos
I think the term "Dry Weight" may refer to the weight of the ship before it's fully loaded with ordinance, personnel, Starfuries, shuttles and various miscellaneous cargo and supplies.
FYI @Lore Reloaded 'Dry Weight' means how much a ship weights without it's munitions, supplies, fuel, cargo, and crew. It's a throw back to ocean going ships but in modern times it's been applied to aircraft and land vehicles as well.
"Dry weight is the weight of a vehicle/ship without any consumables, passengers, or cargo."
Can you cover more Babylon 5 ships? :)
“Dry weight” means completely empty without ammo, provisions or fuel
Or personnel. You beat me to it. o7 sir.
Dry weight has no meaning in the zero G of space
@@jamesfry8983 It's still added weight that would have to be taken into account while maneuvering, since the more mass that needs to be moved, the more energy is required as thrust.
@@Radintoriov hmm yes I didnt think of it like that
@@jamesfry8983 Dry Mass then, it still takes more energy (in the form of reaction gas) to move the International Space Station than it does to move a football sized mini satellite.
And you can't stick a Starfury engine on a Omega Class Destroyer and expect it to move as fast as the Starfury.
TL:DR *_Same dif'_*
1. The Earth Minbari war was the reason for the design of this vessle.
2. The ship was always intended for AG. The original gravitic drive was human designed based off of aquired
tech and could only generate .3 G.
The ability to create stronger AG fields came when the EA joined the IA and received Minbari based AG.
3. The Warlock was unique among younger races as it could recharge it's jump engines almost immediately after
a jump.
4. Most of the Shadow tech meant for the Warlock was tacked onto the Omega X destoyers. The EA engineers
Couldn't finish the warlocks fast enough to enter the Earth Civil War so Clark's people tacked the Shadow
Tech onto the Omega's hoping they could gain an advantage.
5. The rail guns were meant to defeat energy dispersing armor.
On the last one that was a Minbari choice of disabling weapon as all Minbari capital ships( Tinashi during the first shadow war and the Sharlin has at least 1 mass driver installed).
damn, this is the first time ive ever seen anyone actually nail all points 100%.
Thing's a freakin' beast. Those main particle beam canons just blew through that Centauri ship like it wasn't even there.
The main guns was use as earth defense satellites, but couldn't be put on older starships, because of the energy that it needed to work
Virginia Hansen, the particle beam power output is nearly the same as Shadow Death Rays. In fact anything less than a vorlon cruiser is getting killed in one shot.
When you want to be really OP then install not one but two Heavy G.O.D. Particle Cannons!
@@QuantumNova "nearly the same as a shadow death ray"
Yeah, no they weren't. Sure, they were powerful cannons but they were pointed in a single direction and needed to cool down after being fired. They had a similar power output to the Minbari cruiser main guns or the smaller guns on a Victory class (which are the same as the Minbari cruiser main weapons) but they couldn't pivot them to aim in different directions like the above mention ships could, they had to move the ship. They also couldn't fire them in succession like the Minbari cruisers could. There are a few ships that could take a hit from them, the Victory class and Omega-X come to mind. I'd imagine they can also be evaded by smaller ships like white stars pretty easily. Any ship would be hard pressed trying to evade a shadow weapon. It's a good advancement for earth force and powerful ship but far from anything the Minbari and even Centauri have.
@@Bitchslapper316 I'am not agree with you. Minbari - yes, but not Centauri. Warlock can easy handle with Primas, or, even two. As for the Vorchan's, it can lose to them in close maneuvering combat, but in a head-on battle they have no chance. Of course, there must be several of them, not one.
About the "steal all the tech". I can already hear the earth alliance singing: This is how we do it".
hahaha!
This is how we do it
This is how we do it
This is how we do it
This is how we do it
It's Friday night
And I feel alright
The party is here on the West Side
So I reach for my 40 and I turn it up
Designated driver, take the keys to my truck
Hit the 'shaw [Crenshaw] 'cause I'm faded
Honeys in the street say, "Monty, yo! We made it!"
It feels so good
In my hood
Tonight
The summertime skirts and the guys in Kani
All the gang bangers forgot about the drive-by
You gotta get your groove on before you go get paid
So tip up your cup
And throw your hands up
And let me hear the party say
I'm kinda buzzed
And it's all because
(This is how we do it)
South Central does it like nobody does
(This is how we do it)
To all my neighbors
You got much flavor
(This is how we do it)
Let's flip the track
Bring the old school back
(This is how we do it)
This is how we do it
All hands are in the air
And wave them from here to there
If you're an O.G. mack or a wanna-be player
You see the hood's been good to me
Ever since I was a lower-case G
But now I'm a big G
The girls see I got the money
Hundred-dollar bills y'all
If you were from where I'm from then you would know
That I gotta get mine in a big black truck
You can get yours in a '64
Whatever it is, the party's underway
So tip up your cup
And throw your hands up
And let me hear the party say
I'm kinda buzzed
And it's all because
(This is how we do it)
South Central does it like nobody does
(This is how we do it)
To all my neighbors
You got much flavor
(This is how we do it)
Let's flip the track
Bring the old school back
(This is how we do it)
I'm kinda buzzed
It's all because
(This is how we do it)
South Central does it like nobody does, nobody does
(This is how we do it)
YNV, SCC
(This is how we do it)
All my homies
I'll never come wack
On an old school track
(This is how we do it)
Check it out!
Once upon a time in '94
Montell made no money
And life sure was slow
And all they said was 6'8" he stood
And people thought the music that he made was good
There lived a D.J
And Paul was his name
He came up to Monty
This is what he said
"You and OG are gonna make some cash
Sell a million records and we're making a dash."
Oh, I'm buzzing because
(This is how we do it)
South Central does it like nobody does
(This is how we do it)
To all my neighbors
You got much flavor
(This is how we do it)
I'll never come wack
On an old school track
(This is how we do it)
I'm kinda buzzed
It's all because
(This is how we do it)
South Central does it like nobody does, nobody does
(This is how we do it)
Oh, it's party time
(This is how we do it)
Straight up coming from the West Side
(This is how we do it)
OG got the flavor
(This is how we do it)
And Monty does it like nobody does it
(This is how we do it)
Come on now. Def Jam. You know what it
(This is how we do it)
...
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The Warlock would have been a more prominent feature in Season 2 of Crusade and onward. Too bad TNT gave Crusade the Firefly treatment
More like Warner Bros
and firefly was cancelled when it was aired, Crusade got canned before a single episode aired on tv.
And the poor captain of the Excalibur wound up in upper management at a computer company... at least he got to keep his Earthforce class ring.
@@AncestorEmpire1 It aired here in Canada. I watched a good deal of the first season.
Glory I need to upgrade my dvd collection
@@Sgt_Glory all that exists is a good deal of season 1.
A Warlock is an impressive ship, a Warlock commanded by Ivanova is something to truly be feared.
I prefer the Omega. It's more unconventional. Anyway, according to JMS's short stories (iirc), the Warlock was designed without artificial gravity, and that tech was later given to Earthforce by the ISA as part of their technological exchange program. It had initially been intended to simply do without gravity, probably as a budget move, and adding gravity at the end was kind of an unexpected windfall.
That's the way I heard it.
Mahatma Randy Respect for giving the Omega its due, old boy. 👍
I just rewatched Rising Star, the penultimate episode of Season 4, and the Warlock class is what Ivanova gets assigned to when artificial gravity has just that second been offered to Earth as part of Interstellar Alliance membership. So the Warlock had to exist pre the gravity option for Ivanova to be getting one that fast, I just remain puzzled as to why such a shiny new ship wouldn't have had an Omega class approach to grav. Hell of a retrofit?
I have never clicked on a video so fast. I personally love the Warlock class. It’s a good replacement for the Omega Class Destroyers, but it also counts as a Dreadnaught because of the overpowered weapons and the fact that there were only 50 of them constructed that we know about. It’s got every possible weapon the Earth Alliance had available that WASN’T Shadow Technology including the kitchen sink... and I think a Gelato machine was in the CIC for General Susan Ivanovo if she ever came onboard one.
Captain Sinclair Is dreadnaught an actual class in Bab5? My understanding is it was just an informal umbrella term for various battleships (IRL), that people want to make seem a bit more intimidating lol
@@aspire4more Nova class was a dreadnought.
IRL, HMS Dreadnought was a ship that featured so many design improvements, it made other battleships obsolete. Thus you had pre and post Dreadnought battleships, with the latter being shortened to just Dreadnoughts.
ReddwarfIV very interesting, ill have to read up on this tonight. im not to familiar with Her Majesties Navy or Navy terms, just for clarification, is the British use of the term “Dreadnaught” and “pre-Dreadnaught” informal? Or official class names? As I know it’s a real term, my understanding is its just extremely informal, As in all dreadnaughts are actually just battleships, by class
@@aspire4more All Dreadnoughts were battleships, yes. The most distinctive difference is the types of guns used. Pre-Dreadnoughts had a mix of primary and secondary weapons. Post-Dreadnoughts mounted all large guns.
It is used by historians to describe battleships in the era just before and during World War I.
The navies of the world didn't have any official classes called 'dreadnoughts', as all ships of large size with big guns and heavy armor were classified as battleships, but the term was widely used. It also denotes ships with the "all same caliber big gun" main armaments, as opposed to mixed calibers of large guns.
After WWI, it is assumed that almost all battleships (except a few crappy ones that Germany was allowed to keep under the Treaty of Versailles) were dreadnoughts, as the older pre-dreadnoughts were hopelessly outclassed. The 1922 Washington Naval Treaty placed total tonnage limits on battleships, so almost all of the pre-dreadnoughts were scrapped.
The Earth Alliance received Gravitic engine technology from the Interstellar Alliance when they joined. (Second to last episode of Season 4)
I like her. She's big, beautiful and a real knock out.
Nothing more needs to be said.
The Earth Alliance viewed alien technology the way the English language views other languages' words.
>This is mine now
Then why didn't they send out Psi corp to nick some on the quiet?
[I have a much more detailed comment of my own about this, it does go on a bit, but covers the bases].
I'm an English speaker by birth. American English even more so than other versions of English has a tendency to mug other languages and go though their pockets for loose grammar and vocabulary, it also like to just make stuff up as it goes.
Earth Alliance technology is very similar in that regard, and I expect those members of psi Corp that could handle subtle probing of alien minds helped with that alot.
Sean Wadey ...And this is why English has become the effective lingua franca of the planet. Even non-speakers have been exposed to enough English (unless they live in a nation such as North Korea) to get the gist of the language. (The mugging for loose words and phrases is just a bonus. 😉)
As for making stuff up as they go along - Germany just tapped you on the shoulder. They want you to (sorry about this one) hold their beer...
(runs and hides in shame)
As I said in the last one I think this ship was built along with the Valenn class destroyer. But was rushed due to the need of the type of ship it was rushed without improved armor.
Great ship. After the earth/minbari war the EA always compared their ships to the Sharlin Cruiser. I always loved the Warlock. Simple, Beautiful, Lethal.
Because after the war the EA was always preparing to fight the Minbari or an equivalent race.
@@Jason987262 although the warnock is a beast, and I like it a lot. The sharlin is in a different league.
Thats Just Prime on paper, the Warlock is supposed to be a one-to-one match against the Sharlin. We’ll never know if it’s true, though. Plus, there are thousands of Sharlins and only 50 Warlocks.
The Interstellar Alliance gave ALL signatories gavitic drive technology.
That's Why earth eventually rebelled, Terrans like hoarding advance tech even if it's inferior to other ancient races tech like mimbari, centauri, or vorlon
Not all of Earth, just a group of fascist isolationists, seeking to rewrite history for their own benefit. Not sad to see them destroyed, just sad that they took the rest of Earth with them.
@@artembentsionov Well, they eventually got their wish, Earth nuked itself into the dark ages. The Interstellar Alliance and the other human colonies were merciful enough to provide humanitarian aid (in secret), despite how fanatically isolationists and backwards the entire planet became after that civil war.
I mean think about it, it must have gotten really backwards if they were using candle light and the Catholic Church was running the world, again.
Wen L. The thing was a nod to A Canticle for Leibowitz.
Not sure about isolationism, but it seems that much knowledge was lost and the monks were helping to preserve it, although it got distorted.
At least they only got thrown back to the Middle Ages and have help from above. I was reading a novel where they learn that civilization is about to come to an end. When someone suggests that humanity will bounce back, even if it takes hundreds of thousands of years, the scientists explain that no, it won’t happen. All easily-accessible resources have been used up. How can you enter the Bronze Age without copper or tin? How about the Iron Age without, well, iron? Those resources might be available, but in deep inaccessible locations. So civilization will be doomed to stay primitive.
@@time391 Religion always holds things together during and after The Fall.
Of note. The Warlock was also FAST. In the A call to arms movie, when the Shadow cloud is dying and Sheridan orders and evac. You can see a Warlock, easily keeping pace with the Excalibur.
You'll also notice a couple Omega's tagging along right with them!
I'm going to have to rewatch that scene. I remember the speed of the Omegas and was amazed because they were never viewed that way, but I don't recall a Warlock at all. That battle had so much going on I must have missed it.
@@briandeiwert5911 there is also a warlock launching missiles in the opening of the last battle too.
The warlock was great for earthforce but as the viewer was so overshadowed (no pun intended) by the Excalibur that so many didn't even notice it on screen at times.
Looks a bit like the Kushan destroyer and heavy cruiser from Homeworld. [nods appreciatively] I like it!
Having room for *eighty* *thousand* troops is pretty amazing. "Mobile base" is right: that figure is almost half the size of the entire active-duty US Marine Corps. Three _Warlock_ class "destroyers" could fit the entire USMC, both active and reserves, with enough room left over for another two or three battalions. No idea how they packed that many men into something less than one and a quarter miles long, but that's future tech for you. Impressive!
If I had to guess, full complement probably puts 99% of the personnel into cryo-stasis in some form or another. that way they could be packed in like sardines and pulled out on an as needed basis
Travel times aren't huge in B5.
A trip from Earth to Babylon 5 could takes months, but that was because of connecting flights at ports of call along the way, as well as non-hyperspace travel to and from jump gates by ships that weren't equipped with their own jump engines (essentially, the vast majority of Earth's non-military vessels.)
A straight-shot trip from Earth to Epsilon Eridani takes approximately 72 hours with a jump-capable vessel, and due to the pecularities of hyperspace, traveling a longer distance didn't necessarily take more time on a linear scale (for example, a non-stop run to Centauri Prime from Earth took approximately four days, even though Centauri Prime was twice the distance from Earth in lightyears than Epsilon Eridani.)
In essence, you're thinking in old nautical terms of shipping doughboys off to Europe on freighters only capable of 10 knots instead of something more akin to loading troops on a train from New York to San Francisco; large accommodation spaces would be unnecessary for long term comfort, and 2000 bunks and 6000 seats with hot-bunking on a six hour rotation would be more than sufficient to deliver 8000 combat troops to pretty much anywhere in the known universe in less than a week's time.
That aside, a ship at roughly a mile long, 1000 feet wide and, say, 6 decks, would still have over 22 Million square feet of deck space...even assuming a two-thirds reduction in space for engines, systems, etc; that leftover would factor out to roughly 1380 square feet of space per person at a compliment of 16,000 people...a full studio apartment larger than the largest average apartment size in the US of 1038 square feet.
@@digitalis2977 You make good points.
However, the troop numbers... I listened to Lore's video a couple times to make sure I didn't mis-hear his number, and looked up his source on B5Tech.org to confirm.
It's not _eight_ thousand troops. Those things carry *_EIGHTY_* thousand soldiers. That puts their personal space at about 134 square feet - still larger than I expected, but that's a monk's cell or a small college dorm room, not a large apartment. And it assumes the space devoted to the troops is all bunkhouses, and not intruded on by space needed for ground vehicle storage and maintenance, conference rooms, intel centers, mess halls, locker rooms, exercise spaces, chapels, armories, machine shops, or rooms for any of the other specialized functions that you need if you plan on leading that many troops.
Eighty thousand troops is a _huge_ commitment of manpower.
Warlock...”magic comes from a higher power”
Accurate name seeing the shadow tech
Yes but it also used dilgar grav tech.
One thing I loved about B5 was it's sense of tech progression. For examples in most sci-fi series when an advanced propulsion tech like grav-tech is developed you see it instantly replace older drives but in this series shows races that just started to use grav-tech don't ditch conventional engines right away but rather since these early grav engines are less efficient and less reliable they also use more reliable conventional engines in tandem with them (which is the same thing that happens IRL after turbines driven propellers started to become common in the late 1800's, most ships still used sails as either back ups or to get a little extra speed).
Dry Weight means unloaded, as in no fuel, ammo, cargo, etc. Just purely the ship after being built, before they do anything else to it.
How do you even weigh something in space?
Loved the design on that thing. Shares similarity in design to the Kol Battleship in Sins of a Solar Empire.
As far as I remember the ship rolled out without the shadow armor that it was designed to have. Eventually I believe this was rectified making the ship one of the most feared ones fielded among all the races. This includes the minbari.
Among "Young" Races AKA Minibar(xD) and younger.
According to the novels(which are canon), the shadowtech on the Warlock's is pretty much an automated remote control, allowing the Shadows or their thralls to take over control of the Warlock's if and when they wanted and use the ship without any crew on board. Basically the same thing that was done with the remote controlled Centauri Vorchan's in Season 5, just hardwired into the design instead of tacked on afterwards.
So IIRC the short story 'Hidden Agendas'' (written by JMS and published in the B5 magazine) is what made the idea of the Warlock containing shadow tech canon, and it was shown to, at least, be embedded in the ship's computer and crew interface elements. I think one of the displays freaked out on Sheridan when he came on board, it's been a few years since I read it.
I *think* it's also canon that the main particle cannons are the same (or at least the same power) as the ones used by the Earth planetary defense grid, which were capable of spectacular damage (IIRC one alone could glass an appreciable portion of the Eastern seaboard, as noted during the 'scorched earth' sequence at the end of season 4). I can't cite source for this however, so take that as 'something some guy read once'
vorlon010, Your information is correct. The Warlock was supposed to have shadow bio armor too, but those plans were scrapped.
@@QuantumNova Having seen what a few Omegas with shadow armour could do to a whole fleet of White Stars in 'Between The Darkness And The Light'. That Warlock design would have been terrifying.
@@VallornDeathblade True. Though White Stars, while technologically superior, were frigates. Too small to keep battling capital ships as they had during the Shadow and Earth Civil Wars. Hence the Victory Class, as Sheridan himself states in Call to Arms.
The Minbari shared the gravitic drive tech with the EA when they joined the Interstellar Alliance. Do you even watch the show?
lmao....
Possibly my favourite capital ship design ever.
We needed to see more of the Warlock
The ship designs in Babylon 5 are pretty much all fantastic. From the heavy industrial look of the Earth Alliance ships, to the sleek, vaguely triangular ships of the Mimbari, to the ostentatious and somewhat ceremonial Centauri and the practical stubby wedge shaped Narn vessels. And then you have the absurd First Races ships which break all the established rules and just do their own thing while flipping every other race the bird.
I always loved this ship, such a pity we barely got to see any of her. Great vid!
I LOVE this ship! Just the little bit we've seen of it was enough to make it one of my favorite B5 ships, and I'm so sad we never really got to see it beyond it's single appearance in Crusade and a few shots in Lost Tales.
Excellent, one of my favorite vessels.
These ships have the best naming convention of all time.
I have always wanted to see the warlock more and had hoped that we would see more of you spin offshows fleshing them out
I'm still laughing about the pp part!
I really wish we saw more of the Warlock to get more background and hard stats. Maybe someday, someone will reboot the series or continue it...if tightscever get released.
If they did, and if they got good writers, consider most of the original assets got deleted and in a post Expanse entertainment environment expect redesigns for most of the younger races ships, especially the EA.
It was one of the jms short stories for the B5 magazine that had Shadow Technology in the computer system. The End of the Line Crusade Season 1 finale would have shown the EA Research Base that created the semi-Shadow ships that destroyed Gideon’s ship and where they were working on more Shadow Tech. These are the folks that eventually start the Civil War in 1000 some years in the B5 episode looking towards the future. This script would have also shown that the Technomages all have Shadow technology implanted in them as the reason the Technomages left Known Space. Also in the canon Technomage Trilogy, the danger with Shadow tech that no one except the Drakh and Technomages know is that it has user tiers like a network. Shadows gave the stuff away to cause chaos, but they didn’t want it to hurt them, so they could shut off their tech or control it wither the person using it wants to or not. The next line down is the Drakh and Technomages, and then what ever race the tech was given to. The more Shadow tech get out there, the more control the Drakh have and can start up multiple wars indirectly because someone else is under their control like the Centauri,
Always loved the Warlock class. The thing is a beast and looks the damn part! The fact that so little is known about it is what I think really draws my interest.
Woohoo my favorite B5 ship. If you watch the show it says Earth was working on gravitic drives but the Mimbari ended up just giving them the tech. Read up on The Strelas'tha Incident. A rogue Mimbari Sharlin ambushes a EarthForce Warlock as it exits its jump and still gets its ass kicked by the Warlock. Well if you mean the first ship shot that is. If you mean the big space battle then that is from a scene in The Lost Tales.
I love this ship, buuuuuuuut I wish they'd bothered to create an advanced escort ship to compliment it rather that sticking with the ancient as hell Olympus class corvette
I thought it was supposed to lead squadrons of Omegas.
Nah the Omega is huuuuuuge (really more of a battleship than a destroyer but hey ho)
Well as a massive b5 fan here is what i understand is the history of the warlock.
Season 4 of babylon 5, just after the shadow war and the earth civil war the intersellar alliance accepts earth into its alliance, and promises to teach them how to use gravity without spinning parts, at the same time susan asks for a one year shake down cruise on the "new warlock cruisers"
Thus the warlocks had to be almost finished by time the ISA offered the tech which seemed to be a major pull for joining, so it seems quite likely their version wasn't yet ready, but upon joining the ISA shared this within the first couple of months of earth joining and the warlock susan was serving on was likely rolled out either with the new upgrades, or prior to the upgrades.
It makes sense for her tour to be delayed a couple of months to complete work on such an important feature though since Susan had worked in gravity for the past four years, though she had many hours in a star fury cockpit its possible she was used to it enough.. but i find it unlikely.
So its possible it was inspired by shadow tech and they just hadn't worked out the kinks yet.. and it was one of those "we'll get it at some stage" projects, but due to the president accepting the offer it wasn't yet ready, and the benefit of getting this tech as soon as possible would be major contracts for ships.. retro fitting older ships it would be a massive boon, and a great project to get people behind.
I believe the Shadow tech involved is the same kind of tech that the Darkh used to control unmanned Centauri and we know that several races got their hands on the tech from destroyed ships so it would make sense that earth got some as well especially with their past experiences with Shadow ships and tech and they would definitely see the value of being able to control unmanned warship from great distances or take control of ships commanded by rebellious crews. The reason I believe this is that In the novel Hidden Agenda After Sheridan confirmed the presence of dormant Shadow tech on Ivanova's, ship he devised a plan that would prevent the dormant technology from taking control of the ship using Kosh Ulkesh, old transport ship to suppress the dormant Shadow technology inside the ship.
great show! thx for making it, now if only they would bring back B5
They built a warship around large particle beam cannons!
This would be the perfect Uber vehicle.
Those Aegis GOD cannons can punch right through any known ship, including the Minbari Sharlin. The armor is designed to be able to take some hits from the Sharlin's main beam weapon. ECM and censors are still not as advanced as the Minbari ones and don't completely get around the Minbari stealth systems. Warlock is definitely one of the most powerful ships in the post-First Ones B5 universe.
I love the over powered weapons systems.
I'd always figured the Warlocks got their gravitic tech straight from the Minbari as a result of EA joining the ISA. Though it was a late addition to a design originally intended to have a rotating section.
* lists all on-board weapon systems * "... and one sharp stick."
Shit, wasn’t that banned by the Geneva Convention?
If you listen to the series, it actually says the minbari give earth gravitic technology after the end of the alliance civil war and the dissolution of the league of non aligned worlds. The Excalibur class ships for the new alliance were also built at earth controlled yards allowing for seepage of technology.
Lore reloaded.. or lore Re-uploaded hehe
What wrong draft video uploaded and was so bad I had to take down and put the right one up?
Lore Reloaded we don’t make mistakes, just happy little accidental uploads lol
My fav B5 ship by a mile!
The shadow tech was in the computer system. Unaired episode had one going haywire
Great video? Where did the video clip of the space battle between Centari and Earth Force come from? I dont think I ever saw that before?
The Lost Tales. It was a dream vision Galen gave to Sheridan of a future, where Cartagia’s son decides to eliminate Earth (presumably he ascends to the throne after Vir). Not sure how believable it all is, since it’s just an extrapolation and meant to scare Sheridan into action.
Some other nerd probably already pointed this out, so I acknowledge not only am I that guy today, but one of many, but: dry weight in these terms refer to mass before fuel is added (considering how much damn fuel is necessary in realistic settings)...
Yup! Never knew that
To be even more precise, without any consumables and cargo on board. So, not just fuel but also ammunition and any carried spacecraft are excluded, as well as any supplies for repair and crew.
Dry weight = unload and unmanned. No fuel, no fluid of any-kind, no cargo, not a thing on it other than what it needs to qualify for rolling off the assembly line
Long live B5! Love the Warlock class! My favorite ship!
My favorite is the Victory class from Crusade but the Warlock is a very close second
After the human race was almost wiped out by the Mimbari, They were out looking for any and All tech from other star systems or races to advance their military and This ship is the result.
Instead of a snarky comment about dry weight , maybe you should learn what dry weight actually is . One of the other commenters defined it perfectly . Perhaps you should go read through the comments and check it out . Dry weight means something to geeks like us . In case you don't go look through the comments dry weight means what a particular vehicle weighs completely empty . It's a very common measurement with .... wait for it .... ships .
I feel comfortable with how i handled it in the video and will continue as such.
The earth alliance did a good job period in trying to close that technology gap they had against the older races. I bet ipx had a big role in their rapid development of technology.
Love it! Wish we could have gotten some more action from it though.
"Dry Weight" is the actual weight of the ship, without anything else added, such as Crew, Supplies, Ammo, etc.
The Warlock class is a important ship to me, when Agents of Gaming was doing their Babylon 5 Wars wargame, the in game design for the Warlock was released and was covered with Mass Drivers. Different than the armament listed in the video. I sent a email to the company about the "Retro" weapons on a "advance technology" ship, and how Pulse/laser arrays woudl make more sense, making a joke about how I just might have predicted the first variant of the ship. A few days later they released on their website the design for the Warlock-B, replacing the Mass Drivers, with Medium Pulse/Laser arrays. I have always felt I was responsible for the design of the variant.
Indeed on the dry weight
Hm...didn't they salvage the Dralafi (the Blackstar in human english)? Yes, the ship was broken, but some hardware did survive and they studied what they got their hands on! This included a damaged gravitic engine of minbari design (that's why they didn't get it to work easily because it was damaged and they didn't know the science behind it, at least not all of it!) :)
Some Minbari-Vessels? That thing was built in order to take out the Sharlin-Warcruiser, so yeah I doubt the Minbari have anything that can take it in 1 on 1 (unless the stealth tech/sensor-jamming still works, which I doubt!)
You're assuming (a) that Earth would still be in conflict with the Minbari (which clearly ended with Sheridan and Delenn), and (b) that it would always be ONE Warlock against ONE Sharlin! Two or more Sharlins could destroy a Warlock, I'm sure...even with its' advanced tech! Several Whitestars could destroy a Shadow vessel; why not Sharlins against a Warlock? Remember - Warlocks were really expensive, and Earth Force didn't have many of them that we could see! Ivanova captained the first TEST BED ship, to see how it would perform; if it turned out to be a failure (always a possibility), then what would Earth Force have had then? No Warlocks, and no advanced Omegas! So, Earth Force wouldn't be going around picking fights with the Warlocks until they could demonstrate that the design and operation of those ships were feasible - and Ivanova was the best person to do that! She had more experience with commanding alien ships than anyone else in Earth Force - who ELSE would you get to skipper a Warlock?
A small correction : after the civil war the earth alliance joined the interstellar alliance as a result the minbari shared their engine tech (can't remember the name of episode). which is likely where the Warlock class got Artificial gravity as it was a byproduct of the minbari engine tech.
I vaguely remember this thing being a monster on the table top
Gravitic Drive was given to Earth Alliance to bring them into the Interstellar Alliance after the Earth Civil War. Delenn and Londo helped negotiate this with the transition Earth Alliance government.
I honestly would've preferred to have seen this ship get introduced in A Call To Arms and be the flagship for the Crusade spinoff over the Excalibur class dreadnought. The Warlock makes more sense for the premise of the show and fits in better with the B5 aesthetic, whereas the Excalibur looks and feels like it was imported from a different sci-fi series.
What, you have a problem with a hero-ship that looks like a wang and has a refractory period?
Love the design, it's shape is kinda like shark.
Love the warlock destoryer!
"Dry Weight" could refer to "drydock" - when the ship is still undergoing construction (or repairs) and doesn't yet have the added weight of supplies, people, fighters, ammunition and fuel, etc. etc.
Definetly
It would be cool to see a prequel series about the Dilgar War, like BSG did with the First Cylon War.
It’s an awesome ship. One thing about B5 is you never really seen the humans fight anyone except themselves or the mimbari. It would have been awesome to see earth alliance ships in the post shadow war fight against the Centauri. Still the show has to be one of my favorite shows
The warlock came out after earth joined the Interstellar Alliance. Mimbari gave earth gravity technology when they joined. It was an incentive.
Exactly, but unless you are a B5 fan, you won't really know this.
The warlock is when you think about it the ultimate earth alliance bad ass 😊
I'd love to see this ship in more action that the one cut scene dream state Sheridan had about a possible future.
You mean in Babylon 5, humanity is the alien people that take all the ship pieces to make into their ship pieces, so now they are strong? I can hear the lines right now. "Oh, no. It's another Drala Fe. Retreat"
Dry weight means no added equipment. Just the base ship.
Agreed
The "mm" measurements are all millimeters... "Four 40 millimeter pulse cannons," etc. Also, as has been stated before, the Minbari shared the gravitic tech both during the Shadow War (limited with their allies), and post-Earth Alliance Civil War (after the founding of the ISA)
.. you dont say on the "MM" piece..
yes! love B5 please do more lore. mabe some of the narn ships and lore soon?
I think the warlock destroyer might be the last pure beauty in the universe.
LOVE THE WARLOCK.
The dry weight of a spacecraft is the mass of the spacecraft without oxidiser, fuel or other consumables. It is not necessarily the same as burnout mass, as burnout mass may have residual propellant and consumables.
What I found for Dry weight could mean for spacecraft.
While it has been years (15+ years if memory serves) since I've watched the season 4 of Babylon 5, I think the Minbari bestowed the gift of gravidic propulsion on the Earth Alliances as a bargaining chip to get Earth join the Interstellar Alliance and to make it easier for them (Earth) to swallow a very particular pill...
Sheridan wasn't an undisputed hero to Earth after president Clark was overthrown, and as such he was actually asked to resign from the EAS, and actually wouldn't be allowed to fill any position of significance as he was technically both a hero and a traitor to Earth. As a result it didn't sit too well with the newly appointed president of the Earth Alliance, that the Interstellar Alliance had already decided to make Sheridan president, before Earth was even offered membership.
Anyway - That's how I remember of the end of the president Clark story arc... Mind you I may be completely of base here. I only got the chance to view the series once, as it's next to impossible to find either on streaming services (That are available in my region) or on DVD/BluRay, and the series was only aired once on any of the national channels...
@R Bartram I actually believe it to be a new EA ship class. I think it was mentioned in the same scene.
@R Bartram I can't name a single episode, so I'm going to take your word for it :-) Haven't had access to B5 for 15+ years... But yeah - I do remember that Ivanova had requested a transfer after the death of Marcus and end of the Clark regime.
And what is this thing - People in agreement with each other... Isn't this the Internet where everyone are disagreeing with everything :-p
Warlock is a good looking ship. Refreshing, since the majority of B5 earth ships are horrific looking flying bricks.
They even gave it a battleship gray look instead of the dark gray that the Omega uses.
I actually like the Omega’s look. It was inspired by the Leonov in 2010.
The Warlock class, from my understanding, harnessed Shadow tech involving advanced material design, like the Hull plating and sensors, like biological and machine integration. Not enough is known on any power breakthroughs.
The IA gave them the gravitic technologies, in conjunction with what Humans had been working on already, and thus integrated into the Warlock class.
Compare that to the IAS excalibur, which utilized Minbari, Vorlon and Human tech.
Would love to see those two in battle.
The Minbari gave Earth Force antigrav technology; not the IA. That happened immediately after the Earth Civil War ended - but before Earth signed on to the IA. Earth and Minbar would have become allies anyway; especially since a Human and a Minbari were running the new IA. Minbar gave Earth the tech as a gesture of friendship...and Earth Force immediately added it to the Warlock design. Antigrav is a lot simpler to integrate than something like the stealth skin of Minbari cruisers, or advanced weapons. Earth had already made a lot of progress in those areas, which is one reason the Warlocks were designed and built - as testbeds for the newer technologies. That's also another reason why they put Susan Ivanova in command of the first ship in the class - she was the only Earth captain who had command experience with alien ships (other than John Sheridan, who they'd kicked out of Earth Force as a condition of not charging him with treason)!
The Shadows gave Earth Force nothing groundbreaking except for hull armor technologies, in order to make the Omegas more survivable against Sheridan's forces! Everything else - the Shadows kept from Earth Force, for fear that their own tech would be turned against them. They were already fighting one Human - Sheridan - and didn't want to give any others the ability to hurt them! So the Omegas got the advanced armor, but little else. Why do you think Ivanova's Whitestar fleet was still able to destroy the advanced Omegas? The Whitestar's weapons were superior to the advanced Omega vessels, and when concentrated enough - proved they could cut through even Shadow armor grafted onto the advanced Omegas. Those Omegas were given Shadow tech for one reason, and one reason only - to kill Sheridan's forces! But they weren't up to the task.
@@SeatBill I agree.
However, the Advance Omegas did prove to be a viable threat, the fleet managing to kill several whitestars.
The primary directive would have been to abush sheridan and his forces, however the Whitestars anticipated this and attacked first. Hell, even Susan was mortally wounded, resulted in the death of Marcus.
We have to assume that the powers at be in Earthdome would have uses that data to further refine the shadow hull technology. Now, I am under the impression that the Warlock Class has Shadow tech?
The video at the beginning of this, is that from an episode or game or fan made? love it hate it? I love this and everything B5 :)
Its from the B5 spinoff telefilm Legend of the Rangers. They didn't go into full series production after the move was shown on tv.
@@Daehawk Thank you kindly!
Check out Babylon 5 Wars (the tabletop game) for additional info. As I understand it, that was made under licence by the show's developers. The Warlock is an absolute beast of a ship. Those particle cannons were originally mounted on the orbital weapon platforms surrounding Earth.
While there is some interesting information there, it has been expressly stated by JMS that it is NOT canon. The game designers just started throwing numbers and stats around that 'sounded good'... :(
This is the only video on this ship, please report anyone making claims of a previous video to the nearest Security Officer. Have a nice day!
The weight would be calculated as they were being designed and constructed so inertia in every direction could be accurately calculated. Hard to know how powerful your navigational thrusters, main and jump engines need to be if you don't know the mass of the ship before taking on stores and crew, as well as their weight.
Okay that ship would explode from all the heat it produced.
It's a ship I wish we had seen more of in universe.
If only we got another season or two of crusade we could have seen the Warlock in action. To my understanding in the second season or so the plague would have been cured which kicked off the main plot of crusade revolving around Susan Ivanova's Warlock and the dormant shadow tech exposing something happening on earth. Would kick off a big story arc around the Warlock class destroyer and have the crew split from the earth alliance. Plus you know, more Galen. Oh and a few episodes with Bester.
Fun fact: Walter Koenig (Bester) had the full script for the next episode to be filmed and had been fully paid for the work when the call came in announcing it's cancellation.
Where did the footage of the warlocks fighting Centauri cruisers come from? I thought i had seen every episode of B5 and Crusade and a Warlock never appears in any of but but by name.
"What do you think ?"
I think the "additional troop strength of 80,000 personnel" has at least one, and possibly two extra zeros in there by accident.
Perhaps they meant 80000 standing room earth force ships comfort was secondary in purpose
@@thomas.parnell7365 I can't see why you'd want to do that either way. In the B5 universe, interstellar space travel can take days.
@@DrOneOneOne agreed but if you remember that episode where Sheridan had 25000 troops turn up on babylon 5 think was 1 or 2 zero gravity transport ships I highly doubt conditions were comfortable aboard.
@@thomas.parnell7365 And still, my original point - 25,000 is only about 1/3rd the capacity of "80,000". It can't possibly be correct.
@mandellorian The imagined scale of the thunderbolt fighter is off. You can see the pilot in the cockpit, and it's nowhere near the size of the shuttle.
Nice vid
Also in an episode of crusade (b5 spinoff) only a few were in service by that point just FYI. And imo is a really great design definitely a fan of this class.
Loved it . Wish we co UK kd have seen more of no her
dry weight, is the Weight of the ship with out fuel cargo, supply, crew, ammunition or munitions
Yup
I reckon this ship finally gave EA a chance to take on the Sharlin class. Excalibur though will for certain win.
Looks a bit like an Expanse UN ship, right?
If anything it's the other way round. Babylon 5 came out a few decades before The Expanse (though the images here are from "The Lost Tales" which are quite a bit younger than Babylon 5 proper).
These two series have quite a few similarities and I love them both. ^^
@@Norbert_Sattler I always thought that the Omega class could share some heritage with the USS Sulaco from the Aliens franchise.
@@Norbert_Sattler Yes of course is B5 much older. My comment should not be a reproach to anyone. I noticed only the similarity between these ships. ;)
The Omega was inspired by the Leonov from 2010.
I HATE it because it stole our Goddess from us.