"Everyone said we humans were daft to build a station like this. So we built one anyway, just to show 'em! ...It blew up. So we built two more! _They_ blew up. So we built a fourth station! That one caught fire, fell over, and vanished. But the *fifth* *one* stayed up! And that's what you'll inherit, Sheridan..."
"No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power tyrants and dictators cannot stand... Though it take a thousand years, we will be free." Always thought G'Kar had some of the best lines in the show. Katsulas did a great job with the character.
@@pollall2793 I always saw it as Star Trek is the idealistic eldest sibling, talking about what what we want our future to be; B5 is the middle child, more down to earth and realistic and more probably what it will be, and Star Gate is the toddler, drooling in the corner with its eyes glazed over listening to the other's tell stories 😋 (PS I do love Star Gate)
First and foremost Captain Sheridan started off as a patriot. Was was loyal to Earth and the Military. His policies were more or less by the book until it came into conflict with his personal sense of right and wrong or his sense of justice. When President Clark killed President Sontago and started letting PsyCore have more freedom and less oversight, Sheridan started to see the writing on the wall and knew Clark was moving towards a Dictator rather than a peaceful politician like Sontago. When Sheridan decide to rebel against Earth it was against Earth it was against Clark and his regime for the crimes against humanity they had been commenting. He was following the Earth Constitution and attempting to restore a lawful and law abiding government to power.
That's just it--the military and its officers (in the US anyway), are sworn to the Constitution, to uphold the Constitution and to protect it from enemies foreign and domestic--and I agree with the show's premise that no one should be above the law.
The Babylon project was our last best hope for peace... It failed. But in the year of the Shadow War it became something greater: Our last best hope for victory. The year is 2260. The place: Babylon 5.
The third season was my favorite show title opener, and probably my favorite season too. I do wish the powers that be would HD remaster B5, I would buy that in a heartbeat! *sigh*
"Its like being nibbled to death by... Vir, what are those funny creatures the Earthers have? Webbed feet, big bill, go quack?" "Cats" "Yes, it is like being nibbled to death by cats"
I really enjoyed B5. Season 5 was not great because JMS had to pull it out of his but after truncating good original 5 seasons into 4 as the network was going to end the show but after 4, but for a last minute pickup to get the 5th season. So... Anyway, B5 was in the right place to go against President Clark. I really liked that something filmed or said earlier in the series was connected in a later season. Babylon 4 and Londo seeing the shadows flying over Centauri Prime are 2 big examples of this.
agreed, even war without end (2 parts) vs the earlier "Babylon Squared", vs the countless hints of shadows throughout the run of the show. The levels on top of levels of plot were fantastic. And, most of the shows did sort of stand on their own without the subplots detracting from each episode, mostly.
JMS specifically designed the show as a 5-part novel. It was always planned to be 5 seasons, and to be one long story. It was the first real prime time instance of long-form story telling on tv (not counting soap operas) and is the reason there are "arc stories" in most series nowadays.
@@stevenhanly4412 true. But as season 4 was progressing, the show didn't look like it was going to be picked up. So he had the shadow war end quicker than planned and then taking care of Clark and coming up with with the interstellar alliance with Sheridan as president. The season 5 final episode was going to be the season 4 finale.whatbhappened in season 5 was never part of JMS's original plan.
I just started rewatching this series recently. Awesome to see it getting attention. The rebellion of Babylon 5 wasn't without its issues but I thought during the war itself Sheridan treaded as lightly as possible along the path he had chosen. Yes, he led what was basically a mass desertion and uprising and used some questionable means along the way but his means were decidedly less questionable than the unlawful coup he was leading the resistance against. Though I think his failure to help Lyta when she was in trouble after the war was distasteful. I also thought the show did a particularly bad job of trying to make Lochley a sympathetic character by her 'part' in the war. She talks as though she made some incredibly difficult and noble decision by keeping her head down and following the chain of command, but she never got put between a rock and a hard place by her position. Yet in her argument as to why she made the right decision she all but insults Garibaldi's honor and sense of duty because he (and Sheridan and all the others) actually did get backed into a corner when Clark moved against Babylon 5.
My favorite TV show of all time! An absolute gem with an engrossing story on a galactic scale. It has its faults but what doesn't. I must have watched the entire series cover to cover at least 10 times
TJM I’m watching through the show for the first time on Amazon. On season 4 right now and really am enjoying it. It does address some of the problems I have with Star Trek. B5 feels a lot more real.
@@MandalorV7 Totally agree, B5 has that honest and relatable level of grunge, drugs, crime, politics and "human" elements that ground it better in reality than Star Treks utopian future. Andreas Katsulas and Peter Jurasik also really brought a depth of talent to the show. G'kar and Londo's character arcs are among my favorite
I always appreciated how in season 2 Or 3, when the introduction was voiced by Ivanava, how they stated that the Babylon mission failed. I'm re watching the series for the first time on Comet. I forgot how different the series was. How they embraced story lines on religion. How flawed the personalities were and how that drove the storyline. The 2 existential questions that divided the sides. Who Are You? What Do You Want? The 2 questions every person asks themselves in their lives. I love the series. Science Fiction at some of its best. I would love to see a prequel series on how the Earth Alliance came into existence and early contact with alien races.
@@sdmurphy315 tbf, it wasnt a human station. They also did a lot of upgrades to it since they expected a fight. It sure did fuck up a lot of Klingons tho. Probably the only true siege warfare i can think of in trek.
Well Babylon 4 was even more heavily armed and had three times more fighters. Babylon 5 was a budget solution (After 4 attempts it was difficult to find funding)
Nah DS9 has shields, multiple phasers on sliding and fixed mounts, multiple torpedo bays, 3 runabout with shields, phasers, and warp drives, and a permanently stationed warship.... All in the name of "peace." DS9 wins
I actually just watched Babylon 5 for the first time and it was...alarming, how much the politics in the show mirrored what's going on in the US at the moment.
Treason is a very complex crime. The Oath of a Soldier, in the U.S., is to follow the "Lawfull" order of their superiors. Refusing to follow an unlawful order is not treason, that is why the Clark situation was so complex and why treason is really only made such after the fact, not before. A good example is the American Revolution, it would have been considered treason (and was in fact such to the British), but in the end the U.S. one it freedom, so in the U.S. eyes it was not treason.
I've been meaning to click subscribe for some time, but that intro.... I don't think there's been an intro before that made me ever click subscribe so hard in my life. 2 thumbs up!
Captain Susan Ivanova: [about the First Ones leaving] I'm not letting them leave here without saying yes. Marcus Cole: Really? But how do you propose stopping them - perhaps a big red-and-white sign with the word 'stop' on it? I'll put a bucket on my head and pretend to be the Vorlon god Boogee. Captain Susan Ivanova: That's it! Marcus Cole: Fine. I'll get a bucket.
@@Thkaal Sheridan talks about "Downtown" in "Hunter, Prey." It was the name he gave to the area between the hull and the water reclamation system. It was completely unpopulated and sealed off.
I really iked BABYLON 5 a great deal. To be sure, nobody is perfect but in terms of the Earth Alliance it is pretty clear Clarke and his regime were Fascistic to say the least. When the B5 staff rebelled, one is hard-pressed to see them as anything other than the good guys, doing a horrible but necessary action, up to and including fighting their own brothers and sisters in arms. One thing about the series I especially enjoyed was how it portrayed the best and the worst in humanity, as well as the sometimes-ugly moral compromises needed to move forward at all.
I can't think of O'Neil Cylinders without thinking of Science and Futurism with Isaac Arthur. But he'd probably figure out a way to make an O'Neil cylinder that dwarfed even the biggest one in sci-fi. Because "big" isn't big enough for that channel.
Loved that show.best massive arc SF show ever. Best working together races from our tech levels or bellow, up to staggering advanced races who don't even live by stars and planets. The station itself is the best SF visualization and design of a O'Neil. As to the politics. Extremists, pushed to be extreme by backers, and with no viable middle ground available between two sides that are fundamentally incompatible. Yeah sounds like current politics. Hope our civil war will be more peaceful.
loved the 5 year story arc and one of the first shows with a long story arc that I know of anyway, the god like persona Sheridan got after he got back from Za'ha'dum I did not like but did fit the story
@@LoreReloaded no, not sarcasm. The exterior shots I think still look quite good today. Maybe the jump points look a little less than stellar, but the rest I think holds up compared to other TV made only 5 years ago. I'm not saying it is as good as Disco or Westworld.
Opening description of the political landscape is very accurate. Cur Evil Dead Paranoia meme of "I don't trust a single one of you fuckers." XD I love Babylon 5 and look forward to this series. There will always be a special place in my heart as I grew up with it. As for the civil war. I can't really fault them much. From their perspective I would have pretty much done the same thing. Though it'll be good to get your take. Never know what others will see that I didn't.
Ok, you show a scathing contempt for Starfleet’s naive pacifism and then I find you’ve done a bunch of videos on a series that basically saved me during my teenage years. That gets a sub.
Still a go to when I want to enjoy a sci-fi show. Loved the show, it's serialized format with the grand arc, the aesthetic of the different races, the character development, the intense and immense story, and exploration of different themes. Some of the best dialogue I've ever heard in a show is spoken in B5, hard to top the G'kar 'Need for Freedom' or Londo's monologue from "In The Beginning." Wasn't afraid take risks. Sure there were some hammy acting moments and clunky dialogue from time to time, it's a small complaint compared to the entire product.
Favourite Sci-fi TV series ever!!! Rich in background and history. Wonderfully crafted alien civilisations... and a truly brilliant story!!!! God would love something like this again rather than the celebrity this & thats !!!!
Thanks for covering this great show. One of my top 5 favorite sci-fi shows. It's always interesting to get a different perspective on shows too in a calm manner since you and I don't always agree on this (such as I still enjoy Discovery and you hate it lol). Keep up the good work though!
I mostly just wish that they had known they'd get a 5th season. Then maybe we would have gotten season 4 as mostly all Shadow War and season 5 would have been mostly the civil war.
That's how JMS planned it, but when PTEN went tits-up, he thought the fourth season was the last so it was truncated. Then, when TNT saved the show out of the blue at a minute til midnight, he had to come up with something to fill out a season.
Sci-fi shows us, politics never changes. Star Trek, B5, Star Wars... All have politics, all have far left/far right parties. As the Fallout franchise tells us... "(Politics. Politics) never changes... "
One of the sci-fi greats, I have the complete dvd box set plus a few extra single season box sets, would not mind getting a model, if any were ever released of some of the star ships.
They finally put this on Amazon Prime so if you've never seen it now there's no excuse not to if you have a Prime membership (last I checked Netflix didn't have it).
Good questions! The breaking away from Earth is the hardest to answer as I don't know the oath of service or the Constitution of Earth except those things specified in the show. On the surface, it seems like the Constitution and oath of service is similar to that of the U.S. so I'll use those as my go to in this. The Oath of Service for both military and governmental service is the same, to protect and defend the Constitution. It doesn't make anyone beholden to protect or defend a politician. If an order is given in complete violation of the Constitution it is within the rights of the individual to refuse said order. There are consequences such as confinement until a hearing (Code of Military Justice & Code of Federal Regulations for civilians). In these regards, B-5 was legal in its breakaway insofar as the Command Staff. However, incarcerating those of Nightwatch was beyond the scope of authority of Sheridan as he did not have the support of the Constitution of that act. You can refuse an order but you can not force or detain another, that has not committed any illegal activity, until the Chain of Command approves of said action. At that point, it became a military coup under a dictator. This situation is brought up in Ethics of the Constitution study groups and, in my opinion, is a fantastic example of grey ethics. There is no black or white solution.
Actually, Sheridan had EVERY right to incarcerate Nightwatch. He tricked them into following an ILLEGAL order, and thus committing treason against a superior officer. Hell, Sheridan could've fraggin SPACED all of them, and all they could've gotten him on would've been denying them due process!
no the nightwatch was illegal. as stated in the show a Governor or Senator could not give a soilder a direct order. only the president has that authority that is a civilian. So what nightwatch pull was in effect mutiny. grant Clark could give the order directly but Sheridan was hoping the senate would take care of that before it could happen.
B5 has got to be my favorite Sci-fi film and television series... I enjoyed how Humans in B5 were just like the people I knew where I was based... I loved how the members of Earth Force were just like myself & my friends... I feel in many ways it was much, much, much better than Star Trek or Star Wars, & the only other Sci-fi television show that was it's near equal or equal was Firefly... Now let the flames happen... Oh, & anyone who says that ST is better than B5 is Sheldon...
I've considered doing a video on this, but here's the left-right paradigm in a nutshell: it's actually a circle. Left side is left Right side is right Top side is Freedom Bottom side is Authoritarianism. If you go far right - look at history where religious dogma was not allowed to be questioned - you curve down into Authoritarianism. If you go far left - look at any Communist country, where the rulers are not allowed to be questioned - you curve down into Authoritarianism. In short, the whole left-right argument was set up so they can take away your freedoms without you realizing it, because you're too busy arguing the left-right arguments, each pointing to the other's tendencies towards authoritarianism as why they're "wrong". See how that works? Left-right tolerance comes in when both side curve towards freedom - individual liberties make for lots of space, and thus lots of tolerance of other ideas. The conservative can keep their Bibles and guns, the liberals can explore alternative lifestyles, and neither tries to force their views on the other - that's when we get along. It's when the opposing viewpoint is labeled dangerous, intolerant, ___ - now you're setting up justification for creating and using the brown shirts, etc. The ones pushing for that - THEY are the real enemy, the enemy of freedom.
It's not an O'Neill class station, it's an O'Neill type station, as in it has a large rotating cylinder to replicate gravity. If anything, it'd be a Babylon 5 class station as it's a unique design, even among the previous Babylon stations.
@@LoreReloaded Yeah I don't think it even has a "class", as it's a one-of-a-kind vessel. And classes are generally named after the first thing of the type
I say the station had three squadrons but could hold 4 and not knowing how many EAS Churchill fighters survived they could have had rought four squadrons worth of fighters.
Community building.. yeah when we want in these sci-fi franchises BUT with apparently here and very few other sci-fi franchises like this one here Humanity is often VERY GOOD good at war or at least fairly decent. Here... we do okay depending, maybe or we're in real trouble unless we're NOT the only ones fighting a serious enemy.
well, this sounds, 'interesting'. While I can understand how the succession from earth force can be spun as both a good and bad thing, I think it also comes down to how remote someone is from being between a rock and a hard place. Consider how some rules may have the best intentions at the location they were first implemented, however, to force those rules on others somewhere else that are in a location the rules would be detrimental and not even have relevant protective benefits, is a tad cruel at best if not (disenfranchisement?) being handicapped by legislation imposed on them. Case and point, I can totally understand the need for no-gun laws in an urban environment devoid of nature, yet to impose such rules on people that live in the wilderness ensures they will not be able to defend themselves should a bear break into their kitchen and the closest police assistance is a few hours travel away, borderline Murder by proxy. B5 was great because it often made you genuinely think about situations like that. Even in later seasons, Sheridan even got himself trapped in a web of good intentions, Ironic that was.
That's why federalization is a thing. In theory the smaller state should have just enough political power to legislate on things needed there but not in the rest of the country. Unfortunately 90% of the time either too much (death penalty changing from state to state? Really?) or too little power is given to the states resulting in disaster.
While you said humans weren't easily deterred. But in reality, the loss of a couple of space shuttles along with a dozen or so astronauts caused the U.S. space program to virtually grind to a halt. So much for the U.S. being the land of the free & home of the brave.
The US space program had a few problems. 1. It stylized the astronauts as heroes (not unreasonable) and there is nothing worse than dead heroes. Especially if you have nothing to counter such bad news. 2. No long-term vision. The reason why Dr. Wernherr von Braun worked for the Nazies and later for the US goverment was that he had a vision for a humanity in space. But at first everyone just wanted his technology as weapons. Only after Sputnik he got to work on his vision. Had someone in the US goverment shared his vision maybe we could have been to the moon 10 or 15 years earlier. As for humans not easily deterred, Space X made quite a few advances in recent years. So, humans haven't given up. I am also curious, if you did a crowfunder to expand into space faster, how much money could be gathered anually.
Actually, no matter the vision, no matter the losses... it all comes down to one question: why go there? If you can't give a rock solid answer worth hundreds of millions per year, you can't get out of the only somewhat profitable space market: Low Earth Orbit. USA didn't go to the Moon only for humanity at large, as an altruistic choice. It also went there for ideological and political reasons: prove the triumph over communism, and exhaust the communist block economically, through these kinds competitions and proxy wars. Give them a rock solid reason to go there, and suddenly money will flow.
@@lucofparis4819 I can only tell you why we won't go there. Space will destroy any economic system we know. Let's start with a small example and I'm keeping it simple. There are asteroids up there that contain more iron than humanity has mined in it's entire history. Now send a few (the more the better) robots out there with some basic materials. They mine more materials, build a factory and build more robots. After a while, they'll send raw materials towards earth. At zero cost aside from the initial investment. And we can build up from there. More manufactured goods than we need as well as raw material. Orbital farms to grow more food than we need. Without having to put one human into space. Again, all that for free aside from the initial investment. Though, it may be prudent to go into space, because sooner or later something will threaten all life on earth or in a few million years the sun will burn earth to a crisp. It may be a good idea to be gone by then ;-)
No. We have to go to space. And there's a simple reason why. Ask ten different scientists about the environment, population control, genetics, and you'll get ten different answers. But there's one thing every scientist on the planet agrees on. Whether it happens in a hundred years or a thousand years or a million years, eventually our Sun will grow cold and go out. When that happens, it won't just take us. It'll take Marilyn Monroe, and Lao-Tzu, and Einstein, and Morobuto, and Buddy Holly, and Aristophanes, and all of this…all of this…was for nothing. Unless we go to the stars.
In Europe and countries like my - Germany, we have experienced both far left and right escalations and growths like now happens in the whole world. It is so alike now like then, it is even scarier. There was a dictatorship in every European country for decades, majority of 20th century. Just Czechoslovakia, France, UK and maybe Sweden had strong vital democratic regimes, but even the ones which have survived and weren't turn into Protectorate or Vichy, started to cross lines of extremes. Nor WW2 changed it, just fascists and communist regrouped, but stayed in our countries for next sometimes more than 50 years. When some like Hungary, Germany or Czechoslovakia tried to become more human friendly and opened, they were crushed with giant military invasions and enduring ethnocide and subjugation with working camps á la Bajor. Greece, Portugal or Spain had true fascism instead. The democracy of sorts in Italy or Turkey weren't ever fully alive. Even France had shadow of Vichy hanging above like shame, but now many embrace it proudly. Yugoslavia was utopic world far from cold war madness, but it was artificialy created synthetic vivariun and when its leader died, it changed into dystopia of civil war. Many countries healed from this horror and became exenplary democracies, but now in the media and among people everywhere we can see revival of the ghosts of the worst things comming out of Stalinism, Fascism, NSDAP, Supremacist ideologies, social engineering, Leninism, Maoism and whatever evil ideology you can think of. I saw methods invented by Bolsheviks or Fasci di Combatimente on Twitter, in TV, in politics, even some movies are like tasteless propaganda from Czechoslovakia or Hungary just invaded by the Soviets. And it is visible in some form everywhere. I feel really bad and scared by it, I have lived large part of my life with evil empires still alive and my dad and grandpa experienced the rest of it. I am sorry, but I started to freak out, I have studied the past focused on the evil ideologies, and they all are Back in a new concentrated form. My family survived it all, we were affected badly by Hitler and Stalin and I lived in renbants of countries left by their wrath. But they did smaller steps and I know how badly it would sound.....when I look around, I see a lot of even much more radical, extreme, insidious, drastic measures, approaches and goals than by the worst in the past.
Interesting I just started to re-watch this series. that I have copies of all episodes of all 5 seasons. I love this show as it is far more realistic to me than that of star trek don't get me wrong I love star trek as well but B5 shows a more realistic human society not so clean in fact very dirty as we humans are. And I agree with you that it seems to reflect what the U. S. is going thru today. I only pray that our current day situation doesn't take a war to resolve it as did in B5. I look forward to you furthering the conversation and future posting about this.
Lore Will you be doing more lore breakdowns of the ships. Perhaps instead of ships individually do it by major races then add all the league ships in their own one video
@@LoreReloaded I get that. That's something you definitely want to do for the league. The league have varied technology and different levels of individual power so better to do those as one big video if you do. There is lots of lore definitely with earth force ships so they could be done individually i suppose. What was that saying. If a omega turned up in the neighborhood it wouldnt be a nice day 😉
You forgot to mention that the reason Babylon 5 felt so out of date was the fact that Babylon 5 was belt from left overs from Babylon 1 through 4. Because the first season even hinted to this by way of subtle indications in scenes where they had to shut down the defense grid to reprogram it and when the viper bay wasn't even finished or maintained. Also when they uttered lines where they said how they expected the station to be destroyed and so on.
Remaster is impossible...the Raws were lost. SciFi tried back in the day; they managed some updates and extension to widescreen, but without the original renders, it's dead in the water.
Not dead, but dead. SciFi crunched the numbers back when...it'd cost about $650k per episode to re-render from scratch...so about $80M for everything. Win big in the lottery and you can make it happen!
I watch the sum Bible on episodes and all I got to say I find Babylon 5 very interesting a show of world could be where if you allow too far right or too far left to take over such as what we got right now in the United States
Amazing that EarthGov never had their own ambassador or Earth Gov representative there. Every Alien race or atleast the ones worth talking about had a full Ambassador there but not Earth Gov. Now Sheridan and Sinclair were Earth Military and not civilian representatives or ambassadors.
They sad I was daft to build a station in space, but I built it all the same, just to show 'em! It exploded, so I build a second one. That exploded. I build a third one. That exploded. I build a fourth one. It spontaneously blinked out of existence. But the fifth one stayed up!
I like B5 but prefer my humans to be at least on par Tech wise with nearly everyone else. B5 humans are woefully lacking in tech compared to everyone save the Narn. Even then they had to buy tech from the Narn to have a better chance against the Minbari in the war.
true humans were lacking, but they were by far the youngest of the major space faring nations and had been catching up quickly, by the end of B5 they had actually started to clearly surpass the centauri and the other powers with the exception of the minbari
My personal belief is that Babylon 5 Series was better than the Star Trek series and I think they should consider restarting the series I don't mean a revamp like I did with Star Trek but they should consider continuing the story.
Honestly B5 could either declare independence or be taken over by a fascist regime, they choose freedom. While I can understand why people would side with Clark at first and during war; his actions at the end made his supporters look dumb for ever backing him.
Mars was a troublemaker and did not have much sympathy from Earth citizens. The thing about the civil war was that a civilian government was evil, that made it harder for solders who were taught that civilian control is good, military coups are bad. Clark used fear to gain power promising protection. It was not til the end that Earth realized how false that was.
I swear the news media today scarily reminds me of the propaganda news vids that came out of earth dome when it was under Clarks control. B5 Was a great show, with an actually start, middle and end. I did not wonder and ramble on like so many shows of time. Oddly, after B5 being rejected by several companies all of the sudden you had that other franchise with (lol) Deep Space Nine starting a space station out in the middle of nowhere. Kind of funny how that worked huh? Blatant rip-off or coincidence?
Lore you are right on that at the start of the The video some time back this year one of the gruop im in call bablyon 5 fan Page We had a chat about this And I was getting from some people how isn't b5 linked to Trump and I what is happening today. B5 was one of the first shows to fully understand what we human are capable of doing for good and bad We live in dark Time at The moment as we are in our own shadow war and The people Just don't see it or like in the show don't fully understand it
I would love to have a pm with you sometime regarding what it means to be on the far (though not extreme) left, a progressive populist. I think you and I would learn some good things from one another's perspectives.
how come star trek technology doesn't progress any farter than phasers and warp drives? in enterprise we see these technologies develop nd in the future voyager episode where shown time travel, but other than these and a few other examples we see only the generic phasers and photon torpedo'on screen with supposed "new technologies" occurring in the background
How come telephone technology hasn't progressed since it was first invented? Yeah, they're smaller and portable now, but they do basically the exact same thing... For that matter, guns haven't changed at all in the past 200 years! They're still high speed metal projectiles fired from a barrel using gunpowder... Why haven't we moved on to something better?
you know what I mean I've watched nearly every star trek series (with the exception of discovery) and with the exception of voyager, enterprise, and the original series, I haven't noticed any difference of Starfleet tech in terms of the tools they use, weapon, or general starship technology. and before anyone asks I dont count phaser array mark 2 or improved photon torpedo's I'm talking about going from photon torpedo's to quantum torpedo's as standard armament for the average Starfleet ship not "hero" ships like the enterprise and the defiant
@@markfreeman4727 Exactly my point. It's only been about 100 years between TOS and TNG. In 200 years, guns are essentially the exact same thing, just better. In that span of time, warp technology uses the same principles, but it's so much faster that they needed to invent an entire new measurement standard to keep up! The yeald of weapons and the size of ships also MASSIVELY increased. It's like going from a canoe to a luxury liner. Yeah, both float using the same concept of physics, but one is FAR more advanced.
B5 is a show with good and not so good things. I find the Centauri's looks too much like earth, europa 17th/18th century. Nevertheless, they've created an giant, useful station with a lot of cool Sci-Fi stuff around.
Listen to the intros of the...first season or 2? IDK, been a long time. Something like "5 miles of spinning something or something or other". Either way, it's my most favorite scifi genre of all :)
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"Everyone said we humans were daft to build a station like this. So we built one anyway, just to show 'em! ...It blew up. So we built two more! _They_ blew up. So we built a fourth station! That one caught fire, fell over, and vanished. But the *fifth* *one* stayed up! And that's what you'll inherit, Sheridan..."
What, the curtains?
Listen lad, in 20 minutes your going to be married to a girl whose species owns the biggest tracts of open space in the galaxy.
"No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power tyrants and dictators cannot stand... Though it take a thousand years, we will be free."
Always thought G'Kar had some of the best lines in the show. Katsulas did a great job with the character.
B5 is one of the best sci fi series ever. And most realistic.
I concur
@@LoreReloaded one of these days, you and I need to sit down and talk shop on B5 and Star Trek. I think it would be a very fun conversation.
@@pollall2793 oh absolutely the expanse takes realism to a whole new level. But B5 IMHO was the first to get it right.
Hmm- I never thought of that- great point! You are right, B5 is one of, or the first true hard-sci-fi show. For the most part.
@@pollall2793 I always saw it as Star Trek is the idealistic eldest sibling, talking about what what we want our future to be; B5 is the middle child, more down to earth and realistic and more probably what it will be, and Star Gate is the toddler, drooling in the corner with its eyes glazed over listening to the other's tell stories 😋 (PS I do love Star Gate)
First and foremost Captain Sheridan started off as a patriot. Was was loyal to Earth and the Military. His policies were more or less by the book until it came into conflict with his personal sense of right and wrong or his sense of justice. When President Clark killed President Sontago and started letting PsyCore have more freedom and less oversight, Sheridan started to see the writing on the wall and knew Clark was moving towards a Dictator rather than a peaceful politician like Sontago. When Sheridan decide to rebel against Earth it was against Earth it was against Clark and his regime for the crimes against humanity they had been commenting. He was following the Earth Constitution and attempting to restore a lawful and law abiding government to power.
That's just it--the military and its officers (in the US anyway), are sworn to the Constitution, to uphold the Constitution and to protect it from enemies foreign and domestic--and I agree with the show's premise that no one should be above the law.
The Babylon project was our last best hope for peace... It failed. But in the year of the Shadow War it became something greater: Our last best hope for victory. The year is 2260. The place: Babylon 5.
The third season was my favorite show title opener, and probably my favorite season too. I do wish the powers that be would HD remaster B5, I would buy that in a heartbeat! *sigh*
Had a slight darker tone.
"... and that's when I shot him, your Honor." Stephen after talking to Marcus.
"Its like being nibbled to death by... Vir, what are those funny creatures the Earthers have? Webbed feet, big bill, go quack?"
"Cats"
"Yes, it is like being nibbled to death by cats"
@@weldonwin "You know what the ancient Greeks thought of Happiness?" " Besides three goats and a jug of wine?" - Garibaldi
@@kymourdarkmyth799"We will now learn the Babylon-5 motto: Ivanova is right, Ivanova is ALWAYS right, I will listen to Ivanova, Ivanova is God..."
Babylon 5 is, and remains, a major achievement in Science Fiction.
I really enjoyed B5. Season 5 was not great because JMS had to pull it out of his but after truncating good original 5 seasons into 4 as the network was going to end the show but after 4, but for a last minute pickup to get the 5th season. So... Anyway, B5 was in the right place to go against President Clark. I really liked that something filmed or said earlier in the series was connected in a later season. Babylon 4 and Londo seeing the shadows flying over Centauri Prime are 2 big examples of this.
agreed, even war without end (2 parts) vs the earlier "Babylon Squared", vs the countless hints of shadows throughout the run of the show. The levels on top of levels of plot were fantastic. And, most of the shows did sort of stand on their own without the subplots detracting from each episode, mostly.
JMS specifically designed the show as a 5-part novel. It was always planned to be 5 seasons, and to be one long story. It was the first real prime time instance of long-form story telling on tv (not counting soap operas) and is the reason there are "arc stories" in most series nowadays.
@@stevenhanly4412 true. But as season 4 was progressing, the show didn't look like it was going to be picked up. So he had the shadow war end quicker than planned and then taking care of Clark and coming up with with the interstellar alliance with Sheridan as president. The season 5 final episode was going to be the season 4 finale.whatbhappened in season 5 was never part of JMS's original plan.
The foreshadowing in those dreams actually becoming reality was pretty fucking cool
I just started rewatching this series recently. Awesome to see it getting attention.
The rebellion of Babylon 5 wasn't without its issues but I thought during the war itself Sheridan treaded as lightly as possible along the path he had chosen. Yes, he led what was basically a mass desertion and uprising and used some questionable means along the way but his means were decidedly less questionable than the unlawful coup he was leading the resistance against. Though I think his failure to help Lyta when she was in trouble after the war was distasteful.
I also thought the show did a particularly bad job of trying to make Lochley a sympathetic character by her 'part' in the war. She talks as though she made some incredibly difficult and noble decision by keeping her head down and following the chain of command, but she never got put between a rock and a hard place by her position. Yet in her argument as to why she made the right decision she all but insults Garibaldi's honor and sense of duty because he (and Sheridan and all the others) actually did get backed into a corner when Clark moved against Babylon 5.
Damn good points! Thank you for making them!
I always wanted someone to turn round and tell Lochley that she would have fit in in Nazi Germany
My favorite TV show of all time! An absolute gem with an engrossing story on a galactic scale. It has its faults but what doesn't. I must have watched the entire series cover to cover at least 10 times
Hated the last season, beyond that - very well done..
@@LoreReloaded Agreed, the last season was bad. What are your thoughts on B5: Crusade?
TJM I’m watching through the show for the first time on Amazon. On season 4 right now and really am enjoying it. It does address some of the problems I have with Star Trek. B5 feels a lot more real.
@@MandalorV7 Totally agree, B5 has that honest and relatable level of grunge, drugs, crime, politics and "human" elements that ground it better in reality than Star Treks utopian future. Andreas Katsulas and Peter Jurasik also really brought a depth of talent to the show. G'kar and Londo's character arcs are among my favorite
I always appreciated how in season 2 Or 3, when the introduction was voiced by Ivanava, how they stated that the Babylon mission failed. I'm re watching the series for the first time on Comet. I forgot how different the series was. How they embraced story lines on religion. How flawed the personalities were and how that drove the storyline. The 2 existential questions that divided the sides. Who Are You? What Do You Want? The 2 questions every person asks themselves in their lives. I love the series. Science Fiction at some of its best. I would love to see a prequel series on how the Earth Alliance came into existence and early contact with alien races.
Babylon 5 got me into playing the space empire 4x games. Freaking Master of Orion, Galactic Civilizations and Stellaris reminds me so much of B5.
Ahh Babylon 5. The most heavily armed Station of Peace in Sci-Fi
Since the previous stations......didnt work out....probably a good idea
Guess you don't know how heavily armed DS9 was and it was supposed to be a 'Peace keeping station' as well.
@@sdmurphy315 tbf, it wasnt a human station. They also did a lot of upgrades to it since they expected a fight. It sure did fuck up a lot of Klingons tho. Probably the only true siege warfare i can think of in trek.
Well Babylon 4 was even more heavily armed and had three times more fighters. Babylon 5 was a budget solution (After 4 attempts it was difficult to find funding)
Nah DS9 has shields, multiple phasers on sliding and fixed mounts, multiple torpedo bays, 3 runabout with shields, phasers, and warp drives, and a permanently stationed warship.... All in the name of "peace."
DS9 wins
I actually just watched Babylon 5 for the first time and it was...alarming, how much the politics in the show mirrored what's going on in the US at the moment.
Well in gbe early 2000 when i watched it it looked far out
One of the best sci fi series ever. Look forward to seeing your take on the war.
Babylon 5: "Geez that DS9 series stole my ideas!"
Valerian comics: "Hold my beer."
Nicely done :)
Other way around, yo!
@@JasonN2003 I am talking about the comics, not the movie. Hard to beat 1967 in the game of who came first.
Luc Fauvarque. Mass Effect: "Hold my beer"
@@redshirt5126 except the Citadel would have been more like if the Minbari had discovered a Shadow project over an old Vorlon research colony...
Its a 5 mile long Oneil cylinder. But was beat by Gundam and their 20 mile long classic cylinders.
agreed
That's what she said...?
Gundam also had mobile suits... that makes it awesome on its own!
Ah yes mobile suits... totally not ripped off and exaggerated from the Starship Troopers novel (1949)... Totally not...
@@lucofparis4819 actually it was more Tomino wanted a more real show but liked some elements from the super robot era of anime.
Treason is a very complex crime. The Oath of a Soldier, in the U.S., is to follow the "Lawfull" order of their superiors. Refusing to follow an unlawful order is not treason, that is why the Clark situation was so complex and why treason is really only made such after the fact, not before. A good example is the American Revolution, it would have been considered treason (and was in fact such to the British), but in the end the U.S. one it freedom, so in the U.S. eyes it was not treason.
I've been meaning to click subscribe for some time, but that intro.... I don't think there's been an intro before that made me ever click subscribe so hard in my life. 2 thumbs up!
Captain Susan Ivanova: [about the First Ones leaving] I'm not letting them leave here without saying yes.
Marcus Cole: Really? But how do you propose stopping them - perhaps a big red-and-white sign with the word 'stop' on it? I'll put a bucket on my head and pretend to be the Vorlon god Boogee.
Captain Susan Ivanova: That's it!
Marcus Cole: Fine. I'll get a bucket.
Marcus is the mvp. May he rest in peace...
Love B5. (Apart from the telepath stuff after the shadow war ended)
What no mention of downtown
There isn't any mention of downtown on the map
@@Thkaal Sheridan talks about "Downtown" in "Hunter, Prey." It was the name he gave to the area between the hull and the water reclamation system. It was completely unpopulated and sealed off.
@@starsiegeplayer Wow way to miss the response by the guy doing the hunting wow you lose sir
No finer place for sure.
I really iked BABYLON 5 a great deal. To be sure, nobody is perfect but in terms of the Earth Alliance it is pretty clear Clarke and his regime were Fascistic to say the least. When the B5 staff rebelled, one is hard-pressed to see them as anything other than the good guys, doing a horrible but necessary action, up to and including fighting their own brothers and sisters in arms. One thing about the series I especially enjoyed was how it portrayed the best and the worst in humanity, as well as the sometimes-ugly moral compromises needed to move forward at all.
The more I learn about this series, the more I realize I need to start watching it.
I can't think of O'Neil Cylinders without thinking of Science and Futurism with Isaac Arthur. But he'd probably figure out a way to make an O'Neil cylinder that dwarfed even the biggest one in sci-fi. Because "big" isn't big enough for that channel.
Okay... so, I'm five years into the future and that thirty seconds of intro turned out to be prophetic... like... dang. lol
Loved that show.best massive arc SF show ever. Best working together races from our tech levels or bellow, up to staggering advanced races who don't even live by stars and planets.
The station itself is the best SF visualization and design of a O'Neil.
As to the politics. Extremists, pushed to be extreme by backers, and with no viable middle ground available between two sides that are fundamentally incompatible. Yeah sounds like current politics. Hope our civil war will be more peaceful.
Love this series in all of its facets.
loved the 5 year story arc and one of the first shows with a long story arc that I know of anyway, the god like persona Sheridan got after he got back from Za'ha'dum I did not like but did fit the story
I think this is a series that should be Re-made I Loved this series.
B5 is definitely one of the Best Sci FI shows ever and a classic.
So looking to your breakdowns and thoughts on the series over the coming month.
One of my favorite series
It still blows my mind how well that CGI has aged.
...sarcasm or?
@@LoreReloaded no, not sarcasm. The exterior shots I think still look quite good today. Maybe the jump points look a little less than stellar, but the rest I think holds up compared to other TV made only 5 years ago. I'm not saying it is as good as Disco or Westworld.
@@LoreReloaded or maybe I need a new glasses prescription.
Hah, if you like them then that's great.. I don't mind them at all.. Most people don't like it though - which is why i was surprised.
@@LoreReloaded I think they just want to hate on a show they didn't understand because it made them think and that makes their head hurt.
One of the best story arcs of all time on network TV. All the major characters grew or changed over the series like real people.
Opening description of the political landscape is very accurate. Cur Evil Dead Paranoia meme of "I don't trust a single one of you fuckers." XD
I love Babylon 5 and look forward to this series. There will always be a special place in my heart as I grew up with it. As for the civil war. I can't really fault them much. From their perspective I would have pretty much done the same thing. Though it'll be good to get your take. Never know what others will see that I didn't.
I love B5 more than any other scifi genre.
It has a lot of great moments
Oooh! Living dangerously I see! You've got my attention.
I try
Lore Reloaded I also completely agree that the Far Left and Far Right are basically the same in the end.
Ok, you show a scathing contempt for Starfleet’s naive pacifism and then I find you’ve done a bunch of videos on a series that basically saved me during my teenage years. That gets a sub.
Probably for me the worst part of Babylon 5 is that evil president’s last name is Clark.
Reasonable
I used to call him butthead....
His first name was Kent. Seems like an upstanding guy...
Still a go to when I want to enjoy a sci-fi show. Loved the show, it's serialized format with the grand arc, the aesthetic of the different races, the character development, the intense and immense story, and exploration of different themes. Some of the best dialogue I've ever heard in a show is spoken in B5, hard to top the G'kar 'Need for Freedom' or Londo's monologue from "In The Beginning." Wasn't afraid take risks. Sure there were some hammy acting moments and clunky dialogue from time to time, it's a small complaint compared to the entire product.
Favourite Sci-fi TV series ever!!! Rich in background and history. Wonderfully crafted alien civilisations... and a truly brilliant story!!!!
God would love something like this again rather than the celebrity this & thats !!!!
Thanks for covering this great show. One of my top 5 favorite sci-fi shows. It's always interesting to get a different perspective on shows too in a calm manner since you and I don't always agree on this (such as I still enjoy Discovery and you hate it lol). Keep up the good work though!
Babylon 5 is one of my favorite SciFi IPs.
Humans and Aliens wrapped in two million, five hundred thousand tons of spinning metal, all alone in the night.
I know I used to watch it, but damned if I can remember much.
I think that DS9 was the second best Babylon 5-show
Wish b5 had been made with a hbo/ netflix budget with today sfx it would have been epic
I mostly just wish that they had known they'd get a 5th season. Then maybe we would have gotten season 4 as mostly all Shadow War and season 5 would have been mostly the civil war.
I just want the telepath war...
That's how JMS planned it, but when PTEN went tits-up, he thought the fourth season was the last so it was truncated. Then, when TNT saved the show out of the blue at a minute til midnight, he had to come up with something to fill out a season.
Sci-fi shows us, politics never changes. Star Trek, B5, Star Wars... All have politics, all have far left/far right parties.
As the Fallout franchise tells us... "(Politics. Politics) never changes... "
One of the sci-fi greats, I have the complete dvd box set plus a few extra single season box sets, would not mind getting a model, if any were ever released of some of the star ships.
i loved the show. For low budget, it did pretty good story telling.
They finally put this on Amazon Prime so if you've never seen it now there's no excuse not to if you have a Prime membership (last I checked Netflix didn't have it).
Starship lore--- on the Babylon 5...hmmmmm....
Something's not adding up...
Star fury's breakdown? Breakdown of the ships? The Agamemnon? The Shadow Vessels? White Star? First ones?
These are the stories I'm waiting for
I'm mostly excited for the Shadow ships, jesus christ they're horrifying.
@@pollall2793 they has people in them...
I know- that's a reason why they're so horrifying.
Babylon 4 could move so...... clutches at straws and scrapes barrels....
Good questions! The breaking away from Earth is the hardest to answer as I don't know the oath of service or the Constitution of Earth except those things specified in the show. On the surface, it seems like the Constitution and oath of service is similar to that of the U.S. so I'll use those as my go to in this.
The Oath of Service for both military and governmental service is the same, to protect and defend the Constitution. It doesn't make anyone beholden to protect or defend a politician. If an order is given in complete violation of the Constitution it is within the rights of the individual to refuse said order. There are consequences such as confinement until a hearing (Code of Military Justice & Code of Federal Regulations for civilians). In these regards, B-5 was legal in its breakaway insofar as the Command Staff. However, incarcerating those of Nightwatch was beyond the scope of authority of Sheridan as he did not have the support of the Constitution of that act. You can refuse an order but you can not force or detain another, that has not committed any illegal activity, until the Chain of Command approves of said action. At that point, it became a military coup under a dictator.
This situation is brought up in Ethics of the Constitution study groups and, in my opinion, is a fantastic example of grey ethics. There is no black or white solution.
Actually, Sheridan had EVERY right to incarcerate Nightwatch. He tricked them into following an ILLEGAL order, and thus committing treason against a superior officer. Hell, Sheridan could've fraggin SPACED all of them, and all they could've gotten him on would've been denying them due process!
no the nightwatch was illegal. as stated in the show a Governor or Senator could not give a soilder a direct order. only the president has that authority that is a civilian. So what nightwatch pull was in effect mutiny. grant Clark could give the order directly but Sheridan was hoping the senate would take care of that before it could happen.
BABYLON 5
had more
STAR TREK
ACTORS and ACTRESSES
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STAR TREK shows
B5 has got to be my favorite Sci-fi film and television series... I enjoyed how Humans in B5 were just like the people I knew where I was based... I loved how the members of Earth Force were just like myself & my friends... I feel in many ways it was much, much, much better than Star Trek or Star Wars, & the only other Sci-fi television show that was it's near equal or equal was Firefly...
Now let the flames happen... Oh, & anyone who says that ST is better than B5 is Sheldon...
Next up... Red Dwarf
yo
"...Its cold outside, there's no kind of atmosphere!"
I'm all alone, more or less
@@ReddwarfIVLet me fly, far away from here. Fun, fun, fun in the sun, sun, sun
I want to lie, shipwrecked and comatose
drinking fresh mango juice
I've considered doing a video on this, but here's the left-right paradigm in a nutshell:
it's actually a circle.
Left side is left
Right side is right
Top side is Freedom
Bottom side is Authoritarianism.
If you go far right - look at history where religious dogma was not allowed to be questioned - you curve down into Authoritarianism.
If you go far left - look at any Communist country, where the rulers are not allowed to be questioned - you curve down into Authoritarianism.
In short, the whole left-right argument was set up so they can take away your freedoms without you realizing it, because you're too busy arguing the left-right arguments, each pointing to the other's tendencies towards authoritarianism as why they're "wrong". See how that works?
Left-right tolerance comes in when both side curve towards freedom - individual liberties make for lots of space, and thus lots of tolerance of other ideas. The conservative can keep their Bibles and guns, the liberals can explore alternative lifestyles, and neither tries to force their views on the other - that's when we get along. It's when the opposing viewpoint is labeled dangerous, intolerant, ___ - now you're setting up justification for creating and using the brown shirts, etc. The ones pushing for that - THEY are the real enemy, the enemy of freedom.
Why did you express the length of babylon 5 in miles and the length of the warlock class destroyer in meters?
It's not an O'Neill class station, it's an O'Neill type station, as in it has a large rotating cylinder to replicate gravity. If anything, it'd be a Babylon 5 class station as it's a unique design, even among the previous Babylon stations.
That was the closest I could find to an established canon
@@LoreReloaded Yeah I don't think it even has a "class", as it's a one-of-a-kind vessel. And classes are generally named after the first thing of the type
I say the station had three squadrons but could hold 4 and not knowing how many EAS Churchill fighters survived they could have had rought four squadrons worth of fighters.
Community building.. yeah when we want in these sci-fi franchises BUT with apparently here and very few other sci-fi franchises like this one here Humanity is often VERY GOOD good at war or at least fairly decent. Here... we do okay depending, maybe or we're in real trouble unless we're NOT the only ones fighting a serious enemy.
well, this sounds, 'interesting'. While I can understand how the succession from earth force can be spun as both a good and bad thing, I think it also comes down to how remote someone is from being between a rock and a hard place. Consider how some rules may have the best intentions at the location they were first implemented, however, to force those rules on others somewhere else that are in a location the rules would be detrimental and not even have relevant protective benefits, is a tad cruel at best if not (disenfranchisement?) being handicapped by legislation imposed on them.
Case and point, I can totally understand the need for no-gun laws in an urban environment devoid of nature, yet to impose such rules on people that live in the wilderness ensures they will not be able to defend themselves should a bear break into their kitchen and the closest police assistance is a few hours travel away, borderline Murder by proxy. B5 was great because it often made you genuinely think about situations like that. Even in later seasons, Sheridan even got himself trapped in a web of good intentions, Ironic that was.
That's why federalization is a thing. In theory the smaller state should have just enough political power to legislate on things needed there but not in the rest of the country. Unfortunately 90% of the time either too much (death penalty changing from state to state? Really?) or too little power is given to the states resulting in disaster.
While you said humans weren't easily deterred. But in reality, the loss of a couple of space shuttles along with a dozen or so astronauts caused the U.S. space program to virtually grind to a halt. So much for the U.S. being the land of the free & home of the brave.
The US space program had a few problems.
1. It stylized the astronauts as heroes (not unreasonable) and there is nothing worse than dead heroes. Especially if you have nothing to counter such bad news.
2. No long-term vision. The reason why Dr. Wernherr von Braun worked for the Nazies and later for the US goverment was that he had a vision for a humanity in space. But at first everyone just wanted his technology as weapons. Only after Sputnik he got to work on his vision. Had someone in the US goverment shared his vision maybe we could have been to the moon 10 or 15 years earlier.
As for humans not easily deterred, Space X made quite a few advances in recent years. So, humans haven't given up. I am also curious, if you did a crowfunder to expand into space faster, how much money could be gathered anually.
Actually, no matter the vision, no matter the losses... it all comes down to one question: why go there?
If you can't give a rock solid answer worth hundreds of millions per year, you can't get out of the only somewhat profitable space market: Low Earth Orbit. USA didn't go to the Moon only for humanity at large, as an altruistic choice. It also went there for ideological and political reasons: prove the triumph over communism, and exhaust the communist block economically, through these kinds competitions and proxy wars.
Give them a rock solid reason to go there, and suddenly money will flow.
@@lucofparis4819 I can only tell you why we won't go there. Space will destroy any economic system we know.
Let's start with a small example and I'm keeping it simple. There are asteroids up there that contain more iron than humanity has mined in it's entire history. Now send a few (the more the better) robots out there with some basic materials. They mine more materials, build a factory and build more robots. After a while, they'll send raw materials towards earth. At zero cost aside from the initial investment.
And we can build up from there.
More manufactured goods than we need as well as raw material.
Orbital farms to grow more food than we need.
Without having to put one human into space.
Again, all that for free aside from the initial investment.
Though, it may be prudent to go into space, because sooner or later something will threaten all life on earth or in a few million years the sun will burn earth to a crisp. It may be a good idea to be gone by then ;-)
No. We have to go to space. And there's a simple reason why. Ask ten different scientists about the environment, population control, genetics, and you'll get ten different answers. But there's one thing every scientist on the planet agrees on. Whether it happens in a hundred years or a thousand years or a million years, eventually our Sun will grow cold and go out. When that happens, it won't just take us. It'll take Marilyn Monroe, and Lao-Tzu, and Einstein, and Morobuto, and Buddy Holly, and Aristophanes, and all of this…all of this…was for nothing. Unless we go to the stars.
blame Obama, he cut the space shuttle program with no replacement
Will you also do a video on B4?
In Europe and countries like my - Germany, we have experienced both far left and right escalations and growths like now happens in the whole world. It is so alike now like then, it is even scarier. There was a dictatorship in every European country for decades, majority of 20th century. Just Czechoslovakia, France, UK and maybe Sweden had strong vital democratic regimes, but even the ones which have survived and weren't turn into Protectorate or Vichy, started to cross lines of extremes. Nor WW2 changed it, just fascists and communist regrouped, but stayed in our countries for next sometimes more than 50 years. When some like Hungary, Germany or Czechoslovakia tried to become more human friendly and opened, they were crushed with giant military invasions and enduring ethnocide and subjugation with working camps á la Bajor.
Greece, Portugal or Spain had true fascism instead. The democracy of sorts in Italy or Turkey weren't ever fully alive. Even France had shadow of Vichy hanging above like shame, but now many embrace it proudly. Yugoslavia was utopic world far from cold war madness, but it was artificialy created synthetic vivariun and when its leader died, it changed into dystopia of civil war.
Many countries healed from this horror and became exenplary democracies, but now in the media and among people everywhere we can see revival of the ghosts of the worst things comming out of Stalinism, Fascism, NSDAP, Supremacist ideologies, social engineering, Leninism, Maoism and whatever evil ideology you can think of. I saw methods invented by Bolsheviks or Fasci di Combatimente on Twitter, in TV, in politics, even some movies are like tasteless propaganda from Czechoslovakia or Hungary just invaded by the Soviets. And it is visible in some form everywhere. I feel really bad and scared by it, I have lived large part of my life with evil empires still alive and my dad and grandpa experienced the rest of it. I am sorry, but I started to freak out, I have studied the past focused on the evil ideologies, and they all are Back in a new concentrated form. My family survived it all, we were affected badly by Hitler and Stalin and I lived in renbants of countries left by their wrath. But they did smaller steps and I know how badly it would sound.....when I look around, I see a lot of even much more radical, extreme, insidious, drastic measures, approaches and goals than by the worst in the past.
Interesting I just started to re-watch this series. that I have copies of all episodes of all 5 seasons. I love this show as it is far more realistic to me than that of star trek don't get me wrong I love star trek as well but B5 shows a more realistic human society not so clean in fact very dirty as we humans are. And I agree with you that it seems to reflect what the U. S. is going thru today. I only pray that our current day situation doesn't take a war to resolve it as did in B5. I look forward to you furthering the conversation and future posting about this.
Babylon 5 is like the Monty python "Swamp Castle "
Got to remember B5 was 5 miles long. am shore could hold many more strength furies. was there standard compliment though
Love the show.
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Will you be doing more lore breakdowns of the ships.
Perhaps instead of ships individually do it by major races then add all the league ships in their own one video
It depends on how much lore. If there's alot of lore to be had - I try to give each ship its due.. if not, i clump them together.
@@LoreReloaded
I get that.
That's something you definitely want to do for the league.
The league have varied technology and different levels of individual power so better to do those as one big video if you do.
There is lots of lore definitely with earth force ships so they could be done individually i suppose.
What was that saying.
If a omega turned up in the neighborhood it wouldnt be a nice day 😉
just started to watch this. on episode 2
You forgot to mention that the reason Babylon 5 felt so out of date was the fact that Babylon 5 was belt from left overs from Babylon 1 through 4.
Because the first season even hinted to this by way of subtle indications in scenes where they had to shut down the defense grid to reprogram it and when the viper bay wasn't even finished or maintained.
Also when they uttered lines where they said how they expected the station to be destroyed and so on.
That's an interesting theory I never caught
@@LoreReloaded babylon5.fandom.com/wiki/Babylon_Project
@@LoreReloaded Also Babylon 5 being built from the Past Babylon stations was to explain the different coloured sections.
Babylon 4 was green and such.
Like I said in another video: please someone buy B5 rights, remaster all the footage, redo all the cgi and release it on streaming services.
Remaster is impossible...the Raws were lost. SciFi tried back in the day; they managed some updates and extension to widescreen, but without the original renders, it's dead in the water.
@@digitalis2977 Darn, didn't know of the raws. Now the dream is dead :(
Not dead, but dead.
SciFi crunched the numbers back when...it'd cost about $650k per episode to re-render from scratch...so about $80M for everything.
Win big in the lottery and you can make it happen!
I watch the sum Bible on episodes and all I got to say I find Babylon 5 very interesting a show of world could be where if you allow too far right or too far left to take over such as what we got right now in the United States
Amazing that EarthGov never had their own ambassador or Earth Gov representative there. Every Alien race or atleast the ones worth talking about had a full Ambassador there but not Earth Gov. Now Sheridan and Sinclair were Earth Military and not civilian representatives or ambassadors.
Babylon 5 is the greatest show.
And the fucking Shadows, my God the shadows.
They sad I was daft to build a station in space, but I built it all the same, just to show 'em! It exploded, so I build a second one. That exploded. I build a third one. That exploded. I build a fourth one. It spontaneously blinked out of existence.
But the fifth one stayed up!
Who has egg on their face now!? Them I say! THEEM!
Lux-Veritas. isnt that what "the angry photographer" says
my fav sci
I like B5 but prefer my humans to be at least on par Tech wise with nearly everyone else. B5 humans are woefully lacking in tech compared to everyone save the Narn. Even then they had to buy tech from the Narn to have a better chance against the Minbari in the war.
true humans were lacking, but they were by far the youngest of the major space faring nations and had been catching up quickly, by the end of B5 they had actually started to clearly surpass the centauri and the other powers with the exception of the minbari
xarglethegreat I understand the story aspect behind it. I just would rather humanity be equal from the get go.
Like the early 90's music to go with late 80s cgi.
I try
My personal belief is that Babylon 5 Series was better than the Star Trek series and I think they should consider restarting the series I don't mean a revamp like I did with Star Trek but they should consider continuing the story.
Honestly B5 could either declare independence or be taken over by a fascist regime, they choose freedom. While I can understand why people would side with Clark at first and during war; his actions at the end made his supporters look dumb for ever backing him.
they were dumb form the get go. bombing a civilian area on mars because the local governemnt, WHICH was pro Earth refuse to decalre martial law.
Mars was a troublemaker and did not have much sympathy from Earth citizens. The thing about the civil war was that a civilian government was evil, that made it harder for solders who were taught that civilian control is good, military coups are bad. Clark used fear to gain power promising protection. It was not til the end that Earth realized how false that was.
I swear the news media today scarily reminds me of the propaganda news vids that came out of earth dome when it was under Clarks control.
B5 Was a great show, with an actually start, middle and end. I did not wonder and ramble on like so many shows of time.
Oddly, after B5 being rejected by several companies all of the sudden you had that other franchise with (lol) Deep Space Nine starting a space station out in the middle of nowhere. Kind of funny how that worked huh? Blatant rip-off or coincidence?
Yes.
funny i just finished season one last night and then today i get this
I'm on s4
Are you familiar with Babylon Prime, it was jms original plan for the show.
I am not
Lore you are right on that at the start of the The video some time back this year one of the gruop im in call bablyon 5 fan Page
We had a chat about this
And I was getting from some people how isn't b5 linked to Trump and I what is happening today.
B5 was one of the first shows to fully understand what we human are capable of doing for good and bad
We live in dark Time at The moment as we are in our own shadow war and The people Just don't see it or like in the show don't fully understand it
Could you cover Gundam?
No mention of the massive garden? Shame!
Who are you ?......
What do you want ?.....
Why are you here?
Where are you going?
@@toatahu2003 Do you have anything worth living for?
I would love to have a pm with you sometime regarding what it means to be on the far (though not extreme) left, a progressive populist. I think you and I would learn some good things from one another's perspectives.
how come star trek technology doesn't progress any farter than phasers and warp drives? in enterprise we see these technologies develop nd in the future voyager episode where shown time travel, but other than these and a few other examples we see only the generic phasers and photon torpedo'on screen with supposed "new technologies" occurring in the background
How come telephone technology hasn't progressed since it was first invented? Yeah, they're smaller and portable now, but they do basically the exact same thing... For that matter, guns haven't changed at all in the past 200 years! They're still high speed metal projectiles fired from a barrel using gunpowder... Why haven't we moved on to something better?
you know what I mean I've watched nearly every star trek series (with the exception of discovery) and with the exception of voyager, enterprise, and the original series, I haven't noticed any difference of Starfleet tech in terms of the tools they use, weapon, or general starship technology. and before anyone asks I dont count phaser array mark 2 or improved photon torpedo's I'm talking about going from photon torpedo's to quantum torpedo's as standard armament for the average Starfleet ship not "hero" ships like the enterprise and the defiant
@@markfreeman4727 Exactly my point. It's only been about 100 years between TOS and TNG. In 200 years, guns are essentially the exact same thing, just better. In that span of time, warp technology uses the same principles, but it's so much faster that they needed to invent an entire new measurement standard to keep up! The yeald of weapons and the size of ships also MASSIVELY increased. It's like going from a canoe to a luxury liner. Yeah, both float using the same concept of physics, but one is FAR more advanced.
Ok fine I give up u win
Babylon 5 is in some sense prophetic.
Possibly
Lore Reloaded certainly... especially since the world trade center tragedy..,
B5 is a show with good and not so good things. I find the Centauri's looks too much like earth, europa 17th/18th century.
Nevertheless, they've created an giant, useful station with a lot of cool Sci-Fi stuff around.
also they're a 'republic' yet still have an emperor?
wsi trek "I find the Centauri's looks too much like earth" Have you SEEN Star Trek, Star Wars, or literally ANY OTHER sci fi show with aliens?
Yeah, good job Lore. It's says 5 miles long...
...wut?
Listen to the intros of the...first season or 2? IDK, been a long time. Something like "5 miles of spinning something or something or other". Either way, it's my most favorite scifi genre of all :)
I scanned him, he is telling truth.
I loved this show. Better than deep space 9. Ppl were real