Marvel Pushing X-Men As Girl Team, Set Up AVX
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
- Disney is not done trying to turn mens entertainment into girl franchises. Marvel Studios are reportedly still pushing the X-Men as their premiere girl team in the MCU. This comes after a string of MCU failures featuring female superheroes. And goes against the X-Men since the day they were created. The X-Men have always featured a diverse array of male and female characters. More rumors suggest Kevin Feige and Marvel Studios are planning to do Avengers Vs X-Men before Avengers Secret Wars. Wes breaks down the latest rumors that X-Men is becoming a girl franchise in the MCU and AVX is coming. Marvel pushing X-men as girl team, setting up Avengers Vs X-Men.
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Jack Kirby is rolling in the grave... Why does Disney's touch feel poisonous
Well it's not really that surprising to me. For a while now Hollywood has had this idea that the only way they can empower female characters is to either remove or diminish the male ones, which IMO is kinda insulting to the women.
They had a really good opportunity for a female centric film and franchise but they screwed it up. They had it with black widow.
If they change the iconic X-Men to a politicly corrected namesake, that’s it, and I will just cherish the Wolverine and Daredevil comics and films of the past, and I won’t give the new stuff my money like I have given Marvel over the yrs since I was a young kid.
X-Them
"It's not about the message any more!"
Silver Surf-Her disagrees with you.
I really wish Disney would just stop. They need to sell marvel to someone who actually gives a shit. I wish we as fans could all get together and buy it and make it cool again
Disney deserves criticism, but it's an almost indisputable fact that no other media company would've give us even a fraction of what Disney has.
I'll gladly pay the price of accept the shitty Disney+ shows and Phase 4 clunkers in exchange for:
Avengers
Infinity War
End Game
Winter Soldier
Civil War
Iron Man 1-2
Guardians 1-2
Ragnarok
Far From Home
Homecoming
Far From Home
I wish Disney would sell Star Wars and Marvel too. Just like I wish WB would sell the Dc brand. Here’s two things we have to ask tho. Maybe three.
1. Who would be willing to buy these franchises?
2. Are the current parent companies who own these brands willing to give up huge money makers like these?(Answer to that is probably no)
3. If they do get sold to somebody else, how do we know they can be trusted to make good stuff with them?
I don’t think Disney or WB will ever give up their most iconic brands. And if they did, we would need to consider who would realistically own them and actually do right by them.
They see it as a culture war victory. I don't think they will be selling any of their "conquests" anytime soon. And at this point they don't seem to care about customers' money anymore.
Didn't we already get an all x girl team in 2014 and the book got cancelled after 12 issues?
It's strange. A lot of these cancelled comic book runs that never make a profit are usually picked for the MCU and other adaptations.
@@-Ryuthey rushed right into the worst era of Marvel comics
2013 and it lasted 2 years. That’s a failure.
@@-Ryusaid the same thing. If no one read it then it automatically gets green lit into a film. It failed in print so it will most definitely be prosperous at theatres. Lol
Men will NOT Buy It.
I’m not sure women would either.
@@AL-ws5yiNo, we wont lol 😂 Too busy watching our Korean rom coms on Netflix lol
No one will buy it...
@@schoolgyrl6 Which are WAY worse! 🤣
@@zufalllx Korean rom coms are the best! 😂😂 Its good, its clean and no “message” or weird agendas with DEI. Just a normal series with a love story 🥰
I can smell a flop coming. They just don't seem to learn, do they? What do you call doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?
If its true Feige is courting Keke Palmer to be Rogue, I'm out. I'm so tired of all the race swapping. This all started because idiots on twitter claimed X-men didn't have prominent black characters, which made me mad because if those posers were real fans, they'd know Bishop and Storm are very well known characters to comic fans of the 80s and 90s and onward.
They got rid of Victoria Alonso but keep her stupid ideas like making X-men female centric
We had plenty of women on Xmen. What we didn't have was a badass male character aside Logan. Most Xmen films followed Logan.
At this point shouldn't we just assume anything coming from Disney is gonna be "female centric "
They absolutely wasted Professor X and Mr. Fantastic in Dr. Strange 2. What wast the point of getting back all these rights, if you waste all these amazing opportunities. I'll stick to the FOX movies. At least I enjoyed those.
if they're only doing women mutants that no one really knows about then it actually feels more like the madame web movie
Now they’re gonna make X-Men movies I don’t want to see. I cant believe it
Polaris was featured in the tv series with sunspot and blink
This will be the final nail in Disney’s coffin.
Oh God why would they do this? It'll end the brand before it got a chance to get going.
For Marvel studios to get casting right, they need to fire everyone especially feigy and all of his yes men and hire competent people who actually like the X-Men franchise
I never thought I'd say I couldn't give two-shits about any of the Marvel or DC movies coming out.
Same here.
Ice Man will be in an X-Men movie, and they will make him gay.
Oh, for sure. The FOX Xmen movies and the various animated shows will be the closest we get to Ice Man properly depicted.
Oh I bet they can't wait to put that version of Iceman in a movie. Brace yourselves guys!! 😮
There are people who like Polaris. Are there people who will like Polaris as a typical insufferable Marvel girl boss? Are there enough of them to make a billion dollar hit? No. And the same for all the other X-women. This is a hopeless idea.
Don’t know if I should Laugh or Cry
I have a few things to say.
1st. So the box office bomb of the marvels the superhero freaky Friday box office bomb. they learn nothing from that and want to still do a comedy superhero genre.
2nd. feel like we have already seen all the female x-men members in live action even the underrated ones that existed in the early 2000: jubilee, Siryn, Psylocke, Angel Salvadore, Negasonic teenage warhead, and dazzler
3rd. If the MCU introduces Jubilee, they better do her right and give her justice. They did jubilee dirty in live action fox x-men film series. She’s a popular character and we only get to see her in deleted scenes.
4th. If counting the gifted 2017 series they gave Polaris, blink, Sage and many other underrated mutants in the show spotlight.
5th. We don’t have an official release date yet. So maybe will get lucky and try to correct it
Tom King is going to bring balance to the comic book cinematic universes.
He and James Gunn will balance each other out.
@OnionSavoya-jf5hz I have my doubts about that. I'm not looking forward to Gunn's DCU. So many red flags. I'm so tired of being disappointed. It seems WB has learned nothing.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp
It's not just James Gunn.
He's got Tom King on his team
And probably many many more.
If you haven't read Tom Kings stuff...
Well let me be the first to tell you
He writes DC characters like they are real people with real issues plus all the superhero nonsense we all love.
Tom King is like DCs very own in house Alan Moore. If Tom King is able to interject his style and vision into the cinematic universe we will see alot more complex characters
@OnionSavoya-jf5hz I can think of 2 characters that Tom King properly wrote well. The rest of his writing has been awful. I would never bring him on as part of the writing group, if I was making the cinematic universe. DC has been trying to push King as if he were an Alan Moore, but he is nowhere near that level. He's done so much harm to the brand of DC. A huge reason I stopped reading. Other writes continue to clean up his mess. "Real people with real issues", this just sounds like he's a wannabe Zack Snyder, not Alan Moore. Moore understood that these characters were larger than life and meant something more. King seems to have a very limited understanding of these characters.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp
Tom Kings roots DC characters into real life trauma and circumstances. Which may not make the best comics . But it will allow for the films to appeal to a jaded and burnout audience. I very much see the first Joker film as a Tom King style superhero film.
X-Men is like Star Wars, dead in the water and no return to prominence. They can burn this franchise however they want. I’ll close my wallet.
I’m not holding my breath that anything will be good.
Wow! The weight of the world is on your shoulders Kevin. If Marvel messes-up X-Men or FF, it’s over.
I mean if he really means they'll change their ways. Decannoize the She-Hulk TV series. Recast everyone. And do the ACTUAL character. Than I know they're serious.
I want to see Jillian Michaels as She-Hulk.
I would love all X-Men female focused live action movie, but only on the condition its Marvel pre Disney era. Im just a few episodes into the X-Men 97 animation, but the thing feels so incredible off to me. It does hit some nostalgia snares, but I cant look passed the clear androgynous treatment the women received, and although discrete; the men still received a sissification treatment. The X-Men for me always gave me a certain "awe' feeling; these characters just dont have it. Kneon saying its ok cause its the closets what we've got in years I dont to find it to be enduring. Ive got the feeling these characters (I dont consider them to be authentic) are constantly biting their tongues, but there plenty of signs of nihilism and the typical Disney activist "self reflection thoughts" in there if that makes any sense. It just feels off to me, and if its a major success I dont think we will ever see authentic X-Men ever again. Than Im not even talking about certain colors and hair issues but; it feels like one big self enforced make believe show to me.
I can’t wait for this to fail as well. The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over expecting a different result.
So it look like after dead pool and wolverine we will finally have the end of the M She U.
Yes, we all know the definition of insanity.
What I DON'T know is why everybody insists on defining it, like it's a new or obscure word.
Ehh. No faith in whatever they do. They'll say anything to get people's hope up. Already 'noped' out.
I'm with you. Making Ms Marvel part of the X-men is a mistake. Especially for the MCU. If you want to drive long time fans away, do it. Or put Kamala into the Richards Family and call them The Fantastic Bore.
Hell no.
Sorry Wes Marrow had a cameo in the first Deadpool movie.
Also, this is my opinion, but I think they are setting up A vs X in the second season of X-men 97'. I mean the way Rogue acted toward Cap, and with her attacking a US military installation with a 4 star general Ross. You know the US government would go to the Avengers and say hey the X-men have crossed a line. Not to mention if they decided to defend Magneto after what he just did.
Can they not just do a modern movie version of Giant Size X-Men 1. Its really not hard!
Even if they could get an all female team right, at the moment, the concept itself is tainted.
Even if they make X-men a girl brand it will be a very specific and narrow girl type of gurl brand so it fail. I don't believe the currrent Disney/Marvel can write women other than in very one dimensional current day way.
Reading Boomtown, read Anderson, Dreadnought. They have interesting characters going through interesting stuff. That is my hook into these stories who happen to have female leads.
I don't believe rumors until we get evidence and honestly i am going to wait and see what happens myself before i pass judgment.
Polaris was in the Gifted Tv show.
After all the people who made the mcu great left, we now see the real talent of fiege..
The MCU'S downfall coincides directly with Kevin Feige's increase of creative control
you forgot DAZZLER! how could you forget my girl...? Wes, you damn near hurt my feelings... but I still love you and your channel. keep striving!
Even though true fans might understand and agree that the women of the X-Men have always been the true heavy hitters in terms of power, and even among the most popular characters at Marvel, we also all know that there's no way anyone with creative power at Marvel or Disney can pull this off. This is the kiss of death basically, they're letting us know the direction is gonna be awful. So Fantastic Four is DOA, not least because of the casting (I'm sick of Pedro Pascal), but now so is MCU X-Men. Death spiral seems accurate.
Magento is one of my top 5 characters and hasn't been a villain in over 15 years
I'm morbidly certain the only way Marvel can SUCCESSFULLY turn the X-Men into a girl's team, is license it to Hustler or another "adult entertainment" company to make "adult entertainment" parodies of. The company burned all other bridges it could've used.
Children aren't interested in "current year" Marvel Comics- they're too young to see LGBT as anything but a bunch of letters, anyways. Parents- former Marvel Comics fans, who could've turned their children into fans- aren't interested. Teenagers- those buying manga and manhwa (Japanese and Korean comics) because "current year" American comics have NOTHING they want to read- are too angry to even give Marvel Comics a glance, after the company stupidly let its writers insult them on social media.
Meanwhile, Takeuchi Naoko- creator of 'Sailor Moon'- is still getting royalties from companies that licensed her manga and its merchandise for distribution in North America, because girls can actually relate to Sailor Moon, which is NOT the case with the Mary Sue self-inserts of the narcissistic writers that Marvel Comics keeps hiring.
Also, Sailor Moon did feature LGBT themes. But it was naturally integrated into the story... the story that was actually good.
@@kaczok1985 I'm a heterosexual man, but I frequently read shojo ai manga- NON-EXPLICIT Japanese comics about lesbian relationships- and occasionally read shonen ai manga- NON-EXPLICIT Japanese comics about gay men- because Japanese writers have enough self-restraint to refrain from making their characters Mary Sue self-inserts whom NO ONE can relate to, with the obvious exception of the writer.
It's especially heartbreaking when I remember this was not always the case with American comic book writers. 2003's 'Rawhide Kid: Slap Leather' had a gay male protagonist who was MORE THAN an insulting stereotype- having survived an abusive childhood, he CHOSE TO fight crimes, save lives, and prioritize his (heterosexual) love interest's happiness over his own.
Marvel/Disney with Kevin Feige is on the fast track to what I call “ David Caruso” dive bomb.
X-Men Vs Avengers was the last Marvel comics that I ever bought, but I never actually read it, I was starting to switch to DC at that time but I had started to buy the event so I continued until it was finished.
Trying to put comedy into the X-Men under the MCU umbrella?……great….. so basically Ghostbusters 2016 but with super powers?…sigh
This is why i have no hype for Deadpool 3 it will be same bait and switch
A stuntwoman died in Deadpool 2 because they insisted on race-swapping Domino, necessitating the use of an inexperienced one that matched the swap.
I wonder who will get it this time around.
@jimjam51075 Deadpool 2 was so disappointing. I have very low expectations for Deadpool 3. I expect it to be nonstop jokes about the FOX movies, even though I actually enjoyed those. I think the first one was good because of the darker themes and subject matters that they treated seriously. Deadpool 2 was all spectacle and no substance.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp If they had kept it ONLY about Cable, Deadpool, and one villain (other than the ones they ended up using) then it might have had a chance.
@jimjam51075 yeah, but they had to have it be about that fat kid, for some reason? So stupid
Hey! I would love to see Marvel's Firestar and her former boyfriend Marvel Boy/Justice (aka: Vance Astrovik) in a live action MCU movie. Aside from my top choice characters for MCU movies, I want to see Selene, Vulcan, Gabriel Shepard, maybe the X-Men 2099 team, Colossus's brother Mikhail Nikolaievitch Rasputin, Cable's clone Stryfe, and of course we still haven't seen a live action movie or cartoon showcasing Onslaught. Let's not pretend Fox and Disney already used all of Marvel's characters. Come-on!
Bro we got lucky Deadpool and Wolverine wasnt Gwenpool and X-23. We need to take this small dub and move on.
I think the issue with Magneto is that Claremont created such a compelling backstory for the character that readers/viewers really want to see him redeemed from villainy.
The people behind Avengers Endgame Saga are not the same people who's going to make the new Xmen movies.
I simply avoid all female-led stories and entertainment now unless it has Alien or Terminator in the title and was made before 1992.
Sure, there are plenty of awful male-led stories out there, but they don't try to shame you for being one.
DAMN IT!!!!!! I LOVE THE SABU REFERENCE!!!!!!!!
Why is Magneto being left out?
Is because he is Jewish and a bad guy.
You can't do that no no.
Israel: Hold my beer...
I love X-men 97 but I will not watch the MCU X-men, or should I say, X-women. I value my time and money to much to sit through what will possibly be on par with the Marvels or even worse than the old X-men films.
I know what I’m going to write is a little off subject. What has happened to the originality of ideas. I grew up reading Starlin on Captain Marvel, or Byrne on X-Men & Fantastic Four. I like the cosmic stories, out in space. Where are the stories that expand our minds and horizons? Everytime I pick up a book, lame concept. Nothing new…no one is doing the wow! now this takes my breath away! We don’t have the pioneer’s anymore. We just have throw away stories uninteresting plots. X-Men used to have cool space stories, the shi’iar empire, have run in with other marvel characters… I haven’t seen a x-title I wanted to pick up in a long time.
Polaris was on the show The Gifted.
Was looking for this.
When they've taken the character and their story seriously, they've had success. When they try to focus on the "message" and "comedy", they've failed. They already have the blueprint for success - they just choose not to follow it.
If Marvel was like years ago in phase 1 or 2, I would say go with any of the women of X-Men like Jean, Storm, whomever and just do fresh reboot. But now . . .
Polaris was in Gifted. Men like beautiful women just as much, hell I'd say more, then Women like beautiful women.🤷♀️ Forge, Stryfe, Longshot, Thunderbird/Warpath, Hope Summers, Karma, Armor, Dust, Feral, Layla Miller, Warlock, Rachel Summers, the real non cloned version of Rictor, the real non raceswaped Shatterstar etc. There are still really cool characters who have never been in Live Action.
Black lesbian version of Maggot
"She's queer, body positive, and fights the male gaze! That's why she should replace the male, pale, and stale Maggot!"
Anyone taking bets on how well that will be received?
How about Magma and Boom Boom
XD XD XD Okay. NOW I can believe X-Men '97 is gonna be a possible swan song for Disney X-Men. X-Men a girl's brand? Making an Avengers vs. X-Men movie? AVX was the very event that started turning the X-Men into the Brotherhood by putting powers over basic human life and safety with their brains shut off treating something as dangerous and galaxy-destroying as the Phoenix Force as the answer to mutant progress like a bunch of cultists! Putting Magneto as the new leader of the X-Men was an insane idea, even for X-Men '97 to do but dragging the X-Men down with Magneto in a AVX movie is not gonna create any fans for the mutants, let alone the X-Men. If they thought the critics were bad with the 'Magneto is Right' garbage in X-Men '97 ep 8, it will be nothing when the critics make mincemeat out of the movie like a feeding frenzy and tank the rep of the X-Men even more. All that movie will do is make the Avengers look like the sane ones! And as far as the re-branding goes...it will put the final nail in the coffin for the X-Men brand.
You need both men and women for the X-Men as a team, and brand, to be successful. Yes female mutants have been very important to the X-Men lore. But so have the male mutants. X-Men work when it’s in unison. When the men and women of the team band together for whatever reason. They don’t want a majority female X-Men team because it’ll be good for story reasons. They want it because Hollywood can’t have male characters take up too much spotlight anymore, even though like I said in one of my videos, this is a MALE DOMINATED GENRE.
This is why I hate speculative journalism. Everything is based off rumors, hearsay, and trust me bro. There is no confirmation from marvel that this is true. more than likely the team will be 50/50
We've also had Kitty Pryde but she wasn't given much to do.
Doubling down on failed policies of future past. Giving people more than they could ever ask for of stuff they clearly don't want. Give every character a porkpie hat for the final cherry on the sundae. Congratulations, Marvel.
Aunt May: I need super powers, Peter. Have any extra spiders?
I'll stick to the wolverine solo movie lol
Also, People like Sabu on ECW because it was like a hardcore evil Misterio.
Honestly, I'd love to see Dust. A muslim female and she has a cool powerset, imo.
Wouldn’t mind a defenders movie with dr.strange night hawk hulk Submariner Valkyrie.
I love all this news!
God I hope they go full woke and start pre attacking what few fans they have left. I'm cheering for em to royally fuck this up and lose hundreds of millions of dollars.
Fantastic Four is already shaping up to be a dumpster fire and months of re shoots haven't been able to put out the trash fire in progress that is the new FalconCap movie, theme park attendence is crashing.
It's going to be a great few years for those of us who hate Disney as a company.
May they utterly destroy these characters and properties to the point of the brand under Disney being irredeemable as quickly as possible. Then either hopefully Disney will go real bankrupt and cease to exist or at least be forced to sell the IP's for whatever small value they have left to people who actually care about and can write them.
That's the only way we get anything resembling the characters we loved back.
I look forward to the day when classic Marvel and DC heroes get a new publisher and a renaissance like GIJOE and Transformers seem to be experiencing right now.
"Let the past die. Kill it ( with boycotts) if you have to."
You can GUARANTEE that Ms. Marvel will be the main focus in the "X-Men" movie.....there wouldn't be any mutants if it weren't for her being "the FIRST mutant".
I didnt even bother to go see that dumb Dark Phoenix movie bc of this same bs. Save your money and your time they are both valuable.
The X-men is where they should be focusing on female characters, but not the focus
?
@sardomarcrowe5723 instead of worrying about shit like ms Marvel and She Hulk, worry about the X-Men. More female characters there than anywhere, but they still don't need to be the main focus.
@@justinmusgrove2548 thanks for clarifying - I was insure as to what you meant by the way you worded it.
I believe what they'll do is gender swap most of the characters
Do something like Ultimate War where the Ultimates fought the Ultimate X-men.
We already had Polaris and Sage in a tv show as main/secondary characters on The Gifted. Marrow was in Deadpool 1 for a cameo. You're basically relegated to Armor, Revanche and Rachel Grey (retconned into lovers), Meggan, Feral, Magma, Moonstar, Karma, sunpyre, and Frenzy. Not much going for you there
Unless the pull a Taylor Swift as Dazzler, ticket sales for an All/Mostly female Xmen would kill the property entirely, with no chance of resurrection.
Wasn't Dani Moonstar in New Mutants ?
@@spinningtornado4543 you're right. Thanks for the correction
Polaris was in the tv show
When they say focus on characters they haven't really done so far, they're likely including characters that have been seen, but haven't really been developed. I mean, sure, Blink, Jubilee, and Dazzler are characters that were shown, but were glorified cameos. Psylocke borders on that same area since the movie she was in, had almost nothing to do with the actual character. Oh, and Polaris was featured in "The Gifted" TV show.
Awesome work mate
marrow has been in the movies. she was in the deadpool one i believe.
Makes perfect sense in today's world. Why use 60 to 70 years of stories already written for you via amazing comics. Try to reinvent the wheel again and pander to anyone other than your core audience. If Disney got hold of Taylor Swift they would force her to abandon her pop music and make a classical album or rap album. ANYTHING to piss off your core audience. Thats their goal apparently. Sigh, Ill keep reading my old comics instead
Skids? Boom Boom?
They’ve done this before. With a better writer and artist. X-Men (2013) lasted 2 years.
Honestly, I'm excited to see Marvel fail with the X-Men. I believe that would be the final nail in the MCU.
I used to love X-Men..... so long ago it feels now.
magneto has committed atrocities on the level of stalin/mao zedong/hitler, how is this guy redeemable? Can't we just have a detestable villian w/o someone trying to turn him into an antihero?
X-Men: The Dazzler Saga starring Taylor Swift, gooo
Go away, Disney
It’s ironic and hypocritical that Hollyweird constantly preaches equality and balance…as they continue to belittle and diminish male characters that both male and females enjoy.
As long as mcu does Cyclops justice, I'm ok with no other men being on the team lmao
you forgot M the mutant with the girl-boss power... 😱
How to DESTROY the Xmen in one easy lesson.
Giving it to the M-She-U and watch it crumble.
In the end it is the men who created the tension of the X-Men not the females in the film franchise....since like the marvels they are all going to be pals since women don't fight each other over men.... another garage msheu film like the ff....
Can someone explain why fans argue that their persona headcanon is the correct representation of a character?
Magneto has been a hero/anti-hero member of the X-Men in every single in-continuity appearance, by dozens of different writers for 15+ years, and Marvel has marketed and featured him in that role. The same applies to the movie version, as the last time he was an outright villain was 2006's The Last Stand.
It makes no sense why anyone would think the correct characterization of Magneto is their own, rather than the one by the people who actually own and create stories for the character
So MSheU dub its team of female mutants as X-Wymyn and their feminine counterparts as the Shevengers?
Not interested.
To be fair the Claremont era got really girly at one point. I think you only had 1-2 men on the team and you had a woman leading it.
Yeah, but there was still action and heroics with likable characters. I don’t know if there will be any likable women characters left after Disney gets through with them.