Dude Ranch to me is the perfect marriage of their more raw, punk side and the more polished, poppier sound that was to come. Not their best album but still my favorite
Around the Fur is one the greatest sophomore albums ever, love or hate Deftones- that album can't be denied for just how much it influenced and inspired so many other bands. Classic.
Lots of thrash bands had a great 2nd album. Ride The Lightning, Hell Awaits, Spreading The Disease, Peace Sells, Darkness Descends, The New Order, Pleasure To Kill, Never Neverland, Evil Invaders
@Rednaxicus I think the vocals is what sets the bands apart and some are more straightforward, but then there's bands like Coroner, Toxik, Paradox, Demolition Hammer that stand out
Underoath's The Changing Of Times is their third album, though. Act Of Depression was their first, Cries From The Past was their second. But I love that album nonetheless.
Cries Of The Past was also a big improvement on that first record, as far as the Dallas era Underoath goes, it's definitely the best out of the 3 albums they did with him on vocals, in my opinion.
Fear Factory - Demanufacture is how you do a second album. Their first album was pretty good industrial death metal for the time, but Demanufacture upped the grooviness, the production value and Seabell's vocals were on the whole, much better. It's technically not perfect, the Dog Day Sunrise cover is a bit out of place, but in my opinion it's still a masterpiece, one that Fear Factory themselves have not been able to top.
That album was a game-changer for me. Soul was good, but I think Burton was still finding his voice - literally. Could have been the recording, but his death growl sounds like me trying to immitate him. Plus you still have the FLA boys onboard from Fear is the Mind Killer. It's still on my desert island discs list.
Wow. Never neen first in anything. Thanks for the opportunity Finn. Edit - you mentioned 311 once before and I freaked out, they're my favorite of all time. Never thought I would hear them mentioned on your channel. Awesome to know they're one of your favorites. You should do a deep dive video on them, too many people associate them with Amber and don't realize how deep their catalog goes.
Soundsystem is my "stranded on a desert island and you get one album" pick. It has so many moods and I don't skip a single song every time I listen. I think it's better than Transistor or any others
@@cloudbloom Soundsystem is my second favorite behind Transistor. Music-From Chaos was such an insane album run. Don't get me wrong I love everything they've done, but those are untouchable albums.
Glad that you also enjoy 311. Their first two studio albums still hold their own today. No matter how cheesy people think they are, they are S tier in writing catchy choruses
The gold standard for a sophomore is "Sad Wings of Destiny" by Judas Priest. Their debut didn't make much of an impact but they came back and created a genre defining classic.
YEEEEESSSSSSS! As much as I love painkiller and screaming for vengeance, this album should be everyone's introduction to judas priest and even metal. I've showed this album to so many non metal listeners and they love it
After which they went back to not making much of an impact, only to once again pull it together and produce one of the best albums of all time (imho), Painkiller.
@sebastianahrens2385 what are you talking about?! Stained Class and Hell Bent for Leather literally shaped 80s metal. British Steel was the first metal album with pristine production to bring commercialization to metal. Not to mention Screaming for Vengeance and Defenders of the Faith had a huge impact in regards to speed metal. If you don't like these albums, that's fine. But saying these albums weren't impactful is disrespectful to the history of metal
The Cure's "Seventeen Seconds," Weezer's "Pinkerton", Placebo's "Without You, I'm Nothing," Suede's "Dog Man Star," COF "Dusk and Her Embrace," Type O "Bloody Kisses," Radiohead "the Bends," MM "Antichrist Superstar," NIN "the Downward Spiral," the Smashing Pumpkins "Siamese Dream" are some examples of great sophmore efforts. Not punk, emo or hardcore bands I know but still. It seems like great bands have better luck with their 2nd album bc of all they learned about the problems of their 1st attempt.
I listened to them in bootleg form via RUclips, then saw them at a tiny venue called Yucca Tap Room, and then like a month later they were huge. I congratulated them on releasing an album on Deathwish Records and bummed a cig off of their singer, then like a month later they were super popular and all the "TRVE KVLT" dinguses who liked them in 2011 suddenly didn't like them anymore. Meanwhile, I was just like, "Oh sick, shoegaze that you can mosh to, nice!"
Iowa, Toxicity, Dirt, Diary of a Madman, Demanufacture, Ride the Lightning, Crowbar, Shadows are Security, Down II...sheesh. I really love a lot of 2nd albums.
Agree. I think it's because they are still passionate and interested, yet aren't nervous and completely new like their freshman album. In fact, freshman albums usually are forgotten except for a rare band like Sum 41 or Simple Plan.
In the last debut album video, Finn said MKFR was Slipknot's first album, but in this video he ranks Iowa as their sophomore album. Make up your mind Finn!
311 is legit in the GOAT category for me personally. I was 12 when I began listening to them in 1995, after my brother traded his Black Sabbath Paranoid album to my aunt and uncle for the self-titled "Blue Album". Been listening to them ever since, have all the albums and saw them in Detroit in Sept. 2001, and Milwaukee in July 2008. Looking forward to hearing the new album!
I discovered Izzy’s solo stuff a little while ago, picked up his album 117° and it’s really freakin good. I have no doubts Izzy was the unsung hero/secret weapon of GnR. Sucks because I don’t think he’d ever rejoin. Its no wonder they haven’t really released any good singles yet
nearly every major hit song they made was either written by or at least co-written by izzy. when he left in 1991, they never made an original album again with slash and duff
@@kingschlamiel lol I guess that's true. It was way more impressive and important to me than a lot of these but Finn has a lot of different tastes. Would like a pt 2
I’m glad you came out as a 311 fan, man. There’s a large community of us and everyone’s super welcoming. You may have some questions about how things go, but don’t worry you’ll get it.
A couple sophomore releases that spring to mind as being a huge step up from the debut: Nirvana - Nevermind; Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream; and Thursday - Full Collapse.
11:25 ngl I'd love to see Finn do a video on 311. I listened to them and I really like their mix of clasic 80s rap and the pop-punk sound. Kinda like a 90s version of Beastie Boys.
I actually liked Slipknot Self Titled better. That shit is absolutely incredible. Iowa also is an S tier but man 8th grade went so hard when we got our hands on that self titled album.
Blackbird by AlterBridge! S Tier! They found their signature sound after their debut - which was basically Creed 2.0 with a better singer and guitar solos. Now they incorporated Myles’ guitar and heavier riffs and solos, and more complex song-structure! Start of three in a row 10/10 albums💪
@@rickyiglesias5384 I love all AlterBridge, including their first album, so Im not going to argue or put down your opinion. I just happen to prefer the sound they found starting with the Blackbird album and on from there…they definitely explored and experimented with song structures and intricate intertwining guitar lines as they went on … which I appreciate they are not confined to a rigid box of trying to appease a record company’s idea of only living for a radio hit single. Cheers!
@@RB-oc7ti that's totally fair. I like and own ABIII and Fortress. haven't gotten around to checking out the newer ones. but I like all four I own about equal.
@@HiroBrownit’s good, but I think Fever was better, and certainly more original. Pretty Odd was a bit derivative and The Beatles worship a bit much. Still a great album though for what it was and I remember enjoying it when it came out.
First album, third release. Though the band counts Safety as their first since that's been the first with the lineup they've had for most of their career.
@@TWProductions90 It is officialy their third album. They dismiss the other two because they were amateurs and Aaron does not like it, but it is their third ALBUM.
The worst example of this ever has to be The Human Abstract's second album. First album came out swinging in the prog metalcore scene. Still holds up as an absolute banger. Then their main songwriter left and their second album was so bad it's kinda unbelievable. Even the band members hate it and wouldn't play them live anymore after the album cycle.
Yeah, Nocturne was and still is phenomenal. The original vocalist and A.J. , the lead guitarist/composer, both left and then we got that second album that had one decent track. I genuinely tried to like it but it….idk weird? That’s how I feel anyways
Underoath' second album is cries of the past, which sounds similar to their debut but with more black metal influences and keyboards. Some try to call it an EP cause it has 5 songs, but those songs are so long (all over 7 minutes, the longest being 11 minutes) that it gives cries a longer runtime than most of their subsequent records
I think many sophomore records are when the band or artist really starts to find their sound, great examples i can think of: Ride The Lightning, Peace Sells, Aenima, Toxicity, Late Registration, Good Kid Maad City, Leprosy, Around The Fur, Voodoo, Leviathan, The Bends, Thriller, Post, Demon Days, Come my Fanatics, Flood, Dirt, None So Vile, Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk, The Mantle, F#A#⁸, Oceanic, Everything is Fire, Prowler in the Yard, Sleep's Holy Mountain, Unquestionable Presence, We Are the Romans, My arms, Your Hearse, Nevermind, Downward Spiral, Loveless, Run the Jewels 2, and many others
Waking The Fallen is one of my definitive albums of all time. Not A7X's most concise effort, of which City Of Evil takes that crown, but absolutely blows their first album out of the water! Title intro/Unholy Confessions, Chapter Four, Remenissions, Desecrate Through Reverence, Eternal Rest, Second Heartbeat, Radiant Eclipse, I Won't See You Tonight, Clairvoyant Disease, And All Things Will End. A God-Tier sophomore album in my opinion.
@@_Arugula_Salad_ Badass! If I had more friends who were into A7X at that time, I'd have gone! As it was, my now ex-wife, her brother, and several of his friends from school rented a van and drove to Milwaukee in 2006 to see them on the City Of Evil Tour at The Rave, where they played with Coheed And Cambria. That is amazing that you met The Rev, that is quite an honor. I miss him, and his Presence in the band.
Thinking about Hybrid Theory vs Meteora, I think it’s a two part story of discovery and mastery. It tells me something that the band moved on from this sound immediately after Meteora.
there is no better sophomore album than Siamese Dream - The Smashing Pumpkins. Almost perfect the entire way through, and somehow their third album Mellon Collie was still considered their best work.
Fall Out Boy's From Under the Cork Tree might be my favorite sophomore effort. They even poke fun at the idea of a sophomore slump on the album. Love that record.
Satisfaction is the death of desire is the best hatebreed album, every last track is 10/10- some of the best breakdowns ever, I love the production and recording, awesome lyrics, just hands down one of my favorite albums ever made.
Waking the Fallen being in the B tier is one of Finn's worst takes in my opinion 😂 Besides melodic Death metal bands like At The Gates, waking the fallen and Alive or just breathing basically defined that era of early 2000's metalcore, otherwise I actually agree with pretty much all of these, good video!
I don’t even like 311 like at all but that first album they put out is damn good. It improved my drumming a lot. Some of the sexiest grooves I’ve heard.
Ultimate S-tiers: Nevermind, Dirt, The Colour and the Shape, Crazysexycool, Led Zeppelin 2, Like a Virgin, Zen Arcade, Paul's Boutique, It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
Paul’s Boutique? Wasn’t that their third album? BB first released Polly Wog Stew in ‘82 when they were hardcore punk, making Licensed To Kill their second album
Fall Out Boy should be on the next sophomore album list. I love straight-up pop punk of Take This to Your Grave. They improved their songwriting 100 fold for From Under the Cork Tree.
Dude ranch to me goes at the top. Not because it’s the best but it was the first album I got from blink and I was at the perfect age for it. Enema was a better album overall but stumbling across dude ranch before anyone really knew who they were brought some great memories.
Music for the Jilted Generation by The Prodigy...no, it's not rock, metal or punk but it's a stellar album and still their best. This is when they transitioned out of their candy rave phase and started to incorporate darker elements of electronic music paired with trip hop and grunge. All round banger and loved by music fans everywhere. Ready to die on this hill... If you haven't watched their full live set at the Phoenix festival in '96 (readily available on RUclips) I suggest checking it out. You won't be disappointed. The amount of energy is mind-blowing. They damn near nearly caused a riot at the end 😂
Please talk about 311 sometime. Id get grief from my friends that were stoners for liking hardcore and metal and then the hardcore and metal friends couldnt fathom why 311 was my favorite band.
Perseverance isn’t really Hatebreed’s sophomore album. Prior to this was Satisfaction Is The Death Of Desire (my favorite), and prior to that was Under The Knife.
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA and I believe some of the songs found a home on SITDOD. I have them both on CD, didn’t know it was a 7”. Then again, I haven’t played that album since high school….when Hatebreed played tiny venues up here in NH.
In the late 2000's, I got shit for wearing Converge and Behemoth shirts because those bands were "too mainstream." On what fucking planet have either of those bands ever been "mainstream?!"
If 3 dollar bill yall had better production and mixing it would be A tier for me. It's pretty nostalgic. Deftones sophomore album is S tier for sure. I love Adrenaline but the evolution from it to Around the Fur is unbelievable. I don't count the demo they used to hand out at shows as their 1st album either lol.
meteora is my favorite LP album. songs on Hybrid theory and Meteora are both top tier. but i really like the way the tracks flowed on CD for Meteora. it was just an experience.
My personal favorite sophomore album is Deja Entendu by Brand New. Went from a generic sounding pop punk band to one of the best post punk bands ever imo.
Fear Factory's sophomoric album changed metal. Soul of a New Machine is actually my favorite, but that's because it's such a unique sound and, once Demanufacture came out, everything after that seemed like it was just riffing on that second album. If they had made 6 albums that sounded like SoaNM, I wouldn't enjoy it nearly as much.
Have you listened to Concrete? It was meant to be their first release, but went unreleased for like 11 years due to a legal dispute with Ross Robinson (who produced it)... Some of it was re-recorded for Souls but it's worth checking out as there are songs that are exclusive to that recording
I think it depends on the individual, regarding Hybrid Theory and Meteora, I like Hybrid Theory more because we got reanimation but Meteora had popular songs.
Underoath's second album was Cries of the Past (tier S+++ IMO) but u can consider Act of Depression+Cries of the Past to be like the big one first album of them lol
I thought I was the only one that knew Underoath’s “Act of Depression”. It’s a short album, but I revisit quite often. Lots of breakdown variety and very enjoyable to listen to, give it a listen!
My ranking no one asked for: Significant Other (Limp Bizkit): C Pretty. Odd. (Panic! at the Disco): Not a big Panic! at the Disco fan but I'd probably give it a B or C, haven't listened to it. The Changing of Times (Underoath): Haven't listened to really any Underoath tbh but their newer stuff kinda sounds like POST HUMAN: NeX GEn mixed with Sleep Token, I'm a much bigger fan of the former and the last time I listened to a Sleep Token song was a Drumeo video like 2 months ago. Also the snippet in the video is F tier. Dude Ranch (Blink-182) Top of A or Bottom of S Into the Unknown (Bad Religion): F Perseverance (Hatebreed): Ngl I haven't listened to a single Hatebreed song. Snippet was great, playing was very clean for a hardcore album. Waking the Fallen (Avenged Sevenfold): A Meteora: S Iowa: S G N' R Lies (Guns N' Roses): B but only because Patience carries. People use the gamer word usage in One in a Million as a way to diminish one of the most beautiful rock ballads ever written a few tracks prior. Hot take but separate the art from not only the artist, but also the controversy. I say this not to defend the usage of the word, but that one track with a lot of controversy shouldn't affect anyone's opinion on another track free from it. Of the ones I've listened to: 1. Meteora 2. Iowa 3. Dude Ranch 4. G N' R Lies 5. Waking the Fallen 100% gonna check out Hatebreed later.
@@PedroHenrique-mj1mn Yeah I saw that on the discography page when looking at some of the tracklists for refreshers/to see if I recognized any songs from albums I hadn't listened to, on some of these, but I included the 3rd because it was the album brought up, not the actual 2nd album.
Appetite for Destruction is a God Tier album. There's a sound and aesthetic attached to it that people have been trying to replicate for almost 40 years.
Still Remains’ “Of Love & Lunacy” sophomore record was way ahead of its time, extremely unappreciated to this day. Would love to hear your take on the record? Great video as always PS Demon Hunter’s “Summer of Darkness” record is also S tier for its time, imo
Always excited to see Linkin Park coverage. Meteora and Hybrid Theory are definitely S tier! Love those albums. And. Think your analysis is spot on. I appreciate them for different reasons, depends on the day, but probably give a slight edge to HT.
@@PedroHenrique-mj1mnyou're absolutely right. I was thinking that as well after watching. Personally i'm more into the defining the great line, sound of seperation era of underoath
I've heard you mention the vandals, but I didn't know you had them ranked so highly on your personal list. I was very late to them, didn't get it for a long time but it sort of just clicked for me at some point. I guess when I started to appreciate punk that didn't take itself so seriously.
I feel like Mansons Antichrist superstar has got to be mentioned the way it catapulted that band into mainstream success especially impressive when considering how dark and heavy that record is somehow it became a mtv staple and was unavoidable for some time.
So according to " Do what you want" Bad Religion's autobiography, not all of the band members were on board with Into the Unknown but they were heavily influenced by Prog Rock and Jethro Tull lol
Outside of this channels' paradigm but worth a mention. Rainbow's second album Rising is just transcendiary and legendary. I mean Dio performing at IMO his greatest on Tarot Woman, Starstruck, etc. Let's not forget the absolute masterpieces of Stargazer and Light in the Black. God dang to have the Philharmonich Orchestra for Stargazer and that solo by Blackmore, geez it's still astonishing to this day. This is the album that many a-power metal band got influence from. If there was ever an album that superseded the first album in almost any way, it's Rising by Rainbow.
This feels like the youtube version of Now Thats What I Call Music. Im psyched for fourth cds, they are unexpected, either a flop or rise back up, and tend to cement a band where there relevance is. Btw, no one mentions Many More. Ive seen then on conpilation cds for 30 years
Dude Ranch to me is the perfect marriage of their more raw, punk side and the more polished, poppier sound that was to come. Not their best album but still my favorite
Long live the almighty Narrow Head
LOVE Dude Ranch
also “Her dad is big and I’ve never seen his face” gets me every time
I love this album still since I first bought it on cd way back then.
Dude ranch is the second best pop punk album after Kerplunk
Around the Fur is one the greatest sophomore albums ever, love or hate Deftones- that album can't be denied for just how much it influenced and inspired so many other bands. Classic.
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I’m not much for Deftones but I’ll check it out.
Thanks!
Oh fvck yeah good call man!!
@@raegandalbo9731it is one of the greatest Nu Metal albums of all time. Their best IMO. It has real anthems.
Absolutely
Alice In Chains Dirt is S++++ tier.
One of my favourte albums in my opinion alice in chains have not released a bad album same with soundgarden
Dirt is way better than facelift. Don’t ever listen. To facelift. Bit I still heck out the rest of theirs
Recorded in Los Angeles during the 1992 riots, along with pretty much all the Death Row classics.
@@nicholaskruger9460 yeah but man in a box is their best song
Are your saying it's trash you said "s*** tier" I think that album is awesome
Going from Barney to Limp Bizkit is hilarious 😂
Lots of thrash bands had a great 2nd album. Ride The Lightning, Hell Awaits, Spreading The Disease, Peace Sells, Darkness Descends, The New Order, Pleasure To Kill, Never Neverland, Evil Invaders
almost every thrash band sounds the same
@Rednaxicus I think the vocals is what sets the bands apart and some are more straightforward, but then there's bands like Coroner, Toxik, Paradox, Demolition Hammer that stand out
Underoath's The Changing Of Times is their third album, though. Act Of Depression was their first, Cries From The Past was their second. But I love that album nonetheless.
Yes
Cries Of The Past was also a big improvement on that first record, as far as the Dallas era Underoath goes, it's definitely the best out of the 3 albums they did with him on vocals, in my opinion.
@@theangelbelow88 Indeed. COTP is killer from start to finish.
Cries of the past was by far their best release. It's a shame he got the wrong album on the chart.
Yeah this seems like an easily Wikipediable thing
Fear Factory - Demanufacture is how you do a second album. Their first album was pretty good industrial death metal for the time, but Demanufacture upped the grooviness, the production value and Seabell's vocals were on the whole, much better. It's technically not perfect, the Dog Day Sunrise cover is a bit out of place, but in my opinion it's still a masterpiece, one that Fear Factory themselves have not been able to top.
A definite step down from Soul.
Obsolete was slightly more tolerable, but they should have continued in the direction of the debut.
Demanufacture is indeed awesome, much better than Soul… totally agree good call
That album was a game-changer for me. Soul was good, but I think Burton was still finding his voice - literally. Could have been the recording, but his death growl sounds like me trying to immitate him. Plus you still have the FLA boys onboard from Fear is the Mind Killer. It's still on my desert island discs list.
Sometimes Hybrid Theory is my favourite Linkin Park album. Sometimes it's Meteora.
Greatest albums of all time.
Same.
Exactly tho
But for me it's always Living things
These two are really good!
Wow. Never neen first in anything. Thanks for the opportunity Finn.
Edit - you mentioned 311 once before and I freaked out, they're my favorite of all time. Never thought I would hear them mentioned on your channel. Awesome to know they're one of your favorites. You should do a deep dive video on them, too many people associate them with Amber and don't realize how deep their catalog goes.
If you ain’t first you’re last 😢
Soundsystem is my "stranded on a desert island and you get one album" pick. It has so many moods and I don't skip a single song every time I listen. I think it's better than Transistor or any others
@@cloudbloom Soundsystem is my second favorite behind Transistor. Music-From Chaos was such an insane album run. Don't get me wrong I love everything they've done, but those are untouchable albums.
Amber is such an odd song
@@neolbioldey it's not an odd song, it's just a very radio friendly hit lol. It's a great track, it's just been overplayed.
You should talk about 311, that way you could've put Grassroots where it rightfully belongs on S tier!
Boom! Grassroots is excellent 💚
Glad that you also enjoy 311. Their first two studio albums still hold their own today. No matter how cheesy people think they are, they are S tier in writing catchy choruses
“Where’s Ride The Lightning?!?!!” - Kirk Hammett
It's on the God-tier. Finn's monitor can't go that high.
@@acerimmer8338it really is. I can listen to that whole album on loop and not get tired of it
That's S tier
That's something Lars would say
Still want to see a 311 discography ranking video from you Finn!
The gold standard for a sophomore is "Sad Wings of Destiny" by Judas Priest.
Their debut didn't make much of an impact but they came back and created a genre defining classic.
YEEEEESSSSSSS! As much as I love painkiller and screaming for vengeance, this album should be everyone's introduction to judas priest and even metal. I've showed this album to so many non metal listeners and they love it
Ride the Lightning in my opinion
Sad Wings is solid but I like Defenders, British Steel, Painkiller and Screaming more
I suggest Paranoid - Black Sabbath
After which they went back to not making much of an impact, only to once again pull it together and produce one of the best albums of all time (imho), Painkiller.
@sebastianahrens2385 what are you talking about?! Stained Class and Hell Bent for Leather literally shaped 80s metal. British Steel was the first metal album with pristine production to bring commercialization to metal. Not to mention Screaming for Vengeance and Defenders of the Faith had a huge impact in regards to speed metal. If you don't like these albums, that's fine. But saying these albums weren't impactful is disrespectful to the history of metal
The Cure's "Seventeen Seconds," Weezer's "Pinkerton", Placebo's "Without You, I'm Nothing," Suede's "Dog Man Star," COF "Dusk and Her Embrace," Type O "Bloody Kisses," Radiohead "the Bends," MM "Antichrist Superstar," NIN "the Downward Spiral," the Smashing Pumpkins "Siamese Dream" are some examples of great sophmore efforts. Not punk, emo or hardcore bands I know but still. It seems like great bands have better luck with their 2nd album bc of all they learned about the problems of their 1st attempt.
Origin of the Feces is Type O's second album but Bloody Kisses is their true "second" imo since it was all new material
Dead on
Hot list
Good call on MARILYN MANSON!! Assuredly one of the greatest 2nd albums EVER
Without you, I’m nothing, is perfection for Placebo
Deafheaven’s Sunbather is a MASSIVE MAAAAAASSSIVVEEE Sophomore record that made huge waves.
It was a nuclear bomb.
I listened to them in bootleg form via RUclips, then saw them at a tiny venue called Yucca Tap Room, and then like a month later they were huge. I congratulated them on releasing an album on Deathwish Records and bummed a cig off of their singer, then like a month later they were super popular and all the "TRVE KVLT" dinguses who liked them in 2011 suddenly didn't like them anymore.
Meanwhile, I was just like, "Oh sick, shoegaze that you can mosh to, nice!"
Nah
I loved that album.
Iowa, Toxicity, Dirt, Diary of a Madman, Demanufacture, Ride the Lightning, Crowbar, Shadows are Security, Down II...sheesh. I really love a lot of 2nd albums.
Imo down first album is better than the second one
@@lucky1173 same, but Down II is super underrated.
sophomore albums may be a band's best album on average
It’s like terminator 2, but sometimes the first album isn’t even terminator 1 in quality
@@TheOnlyPedroGameplays This analogy is incredible.
@@sluggernott thanks
Yup. A7X, System of a Down, and Trivium all prove this
Agree. I think it's because they are still passionate and interested, yet aren't nervous and completely new like their freshman album. In fact, freshman albums usually are forgotten except for a rare band like Sum 41 or Simple Plan.
In the last debut album video, Finn said MKFR was Slipknot's first album, but in this video he ranks Iowa as their sophomore album. Make up your mind Finn!
You forgot your favorite band Deftones...Around the Fur is total S teir, naw is God Teir. Adrenaline was good but Around the Fur was amazing
311 is legit in the GOAT category for me personally. I was 12 when I began listening to them in 1995, after my brother traded his Black Sabbath Paranoid album to my aunt and uncle for the self-titled "Blue Album". Been listening to them ever since, have all the albums and saw them in Detroit in Sept. 2001, and Milwaukee in July 2008. Looking forward to hearing the new album!
I personally love unholy confessions when Matt is singing the song live rather than screaming it. I wish they did another recording of it. 👀
The 311 love is great, Soundsystem is a perfect album imo
Amber is the color of your energy
Soundsystem without a doubt is 10/10.
Chad's drumming on "Evolution" to this day blows my mind. Ghost notes galore.
Transistor is their best IMO
Quick note: Izzy Stradlin actually wrote Patience and was Imo the hidden weapon of GNR He had arranged a lot of their songs on Appetite and Lies ✌️🤘
I discovered Izzy’s solo stuff a little while ago, picked up his album 117° and it’s really freakin good. I have no doubts Izzy was the unsung hero/secret weapon of GnR. Sucks because I don’t think he’d ever rejoin. Its no wonder they haven’t really released any good singles yet
Izzy damn sure doesn’t get enough respect for what he did with GnR.
nearly every major hit song they made was either written by or at least co-written by izzy. when he left in 1991, they never made an original album again with slash and duff
Underrated sophomore album: kerplunk by Green Day. But I’m just some nerd on the internet what do I know 🤷♂️
I haven't made it through the video- is this not on the list?? Where's the love Finn? One of their best, most recognizable songs came out of it!
I mean, he can’t list EVERY album 🤷♂️ he’ll probably do pt 2
@@kingschlamiel lol I guess that's true. It was way more impressive and important to me than a lot of these but Finn has a lot of different tastes. Would like a pt 2
I’m glad you came out as a 311 fan, man. There’s a large community of us and everyone’s super welcoming. You may have some questions about how things go, but don’t worry you’ll get it.
A couple sophomore releases that spring to mind as being a huge step up from the debut: Nirvana - Nevermind; Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream; and Thursday - Full Collapse.
11:25 ngl I'd love to see Finn do a video on 311. I listened to them and I really like their mix of clasic 80s rap and the pop-punk sound. Kinda like a 90s version of Beastie Boys.
I actually liked Slipknot Self Titled better. That shit is absolutely incredible. Iowa also is an S tier but man 8th grade went so hard when we got our hands on that self titled album.
Blackbird by AlterBridge! S Tier! They found their signature sound after their debut - which was basically Creed 2.0 with a better singer and guitar solos. Now they incorporated Myles’ guitar and heavier riffs and solos, and more complex song-structure! Start of three in a row 10/10 albums💪
I sort of see Blackbird about equal to the first record. Both good, but neither is better than the other.
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I love all AlterBridge, including their first album, so Im not going to argue or put down your opinion. I just happen to prefer the sound they found starting with the Blackbird album and on from there…they definitely explored and experimented with song structures and intricate intertwining guitar lines as they went on … which I appreciate they are not confined to a rigid box of trying to appease a record company’s idea of only living for a radio hit single.
Cheers!
@@RB-oc7ti that's totally fair. I like and own ABIII and Fortress. haven't gotten around to checking out the newer ones. but I like all four I own about equal.
Breaking Benjamin-We Are Not Alone
Chevelle-Wonder What’s Next
Both bands basically launched their career off their second albums.
Panic! Pretty Odd has a ton of good songs
Yeah definitely not full of bangers but more mature writing and musicality than Fever naturally
@@HiroBrownit’s good, but I think Fever was better, and certainly more original. Pretty Odd was a bit derivative and The Beatles worship a bit much. Still a great album though for what it was and I remember enjoying it when it came out.
@@SleepBeforeYouThink you’re right. I just wasn’t into the Beatles that much until hearing this album again later in life.
Fact's no clue why people hate it it was during the time where kids were trying to get their generation into the Beatles
Glassjaw Worship and Tribute is S tier.
Yes! And also Around The Fur.
Isn’t the Changing of Times Underoath’s third album? Their old stuff is so effing good, listen to it all the time
First album, third release. Though the band counts Safety as their first since that's been the first with the lineup they've had for most of their career.
@@TWProductions90 It is officialy their third album. They dismiss the other two because they were amateurs and Aaron does not like it, but it is their third ALBUM.
Yes, Cries of the Past is their second LP but Underoath disowns their first two albums.
It is, Finn got it wrong. Cries of the Past is their second album.
@PedroHenrique-mj1mn the band even says Safety is their second but claims it as their first.
The worst example of this ever has to be The Human Abstract's second album. First album came out swinging in the prog metalcore scene. Still holds up as an absolute banger. Then their main songwriter left and their second album was so bad it's kinda unbelievable. Even the band members hate it and wouldn't play them live anymore after the album cycle.
Yeah, Nocturne was and still is phenomenal. The original vocalist and A.J. , the lead guitarist/composer, both left and then we got that second album that had one decent track. I genuinely tried to like it but it….idk weird? That’s how I feel anyways
@@voidofhope6259 first and second albums are the same singer
311 fucking rules. You gotta do a full video on the main channel on them
Unless you were there, you'll never understand how amazing it was to be into 311 right before and right after the blue album dropped. Great times!!
Underoath' second album is cries of the past, which sounds similar to their debut but with more black metal influences and keyboards. Some try to call it an EP cause it has 5 songs, but those songs are so long (all over 7 minutes, the longest being 11 minutes) that it gives cries a longer runtime than most of their subsequent records
I was in high school from 2000-2004 and the music was just killer the whole time.
The comparison of Meteora and Iowa is just a reminder of how diverse nu metal is in the heaviness compartment
Meteora is definitely one of my most listened to albums, it often occupies my car's cd slot
I think many sophomore records are when the band or artist really starts to find their sound, great examples i can think of: Ride The Lightning, Peace Sells, Aenima, Toxicity, Late Registration, Good Kid Maad City, Leprosy, Around The Fur, Voodoo, Leviathan, The Bends, Thriller, Post, Demon Days, Come my Fanatics, Flood, Dirt, None So Vile, Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk, The Mantle, F#A#⁸, Oceanic, Everything is Fire, Prowler in the Yard, Sleep's Holy Mountain, Unquestionable Presence, We Are the Romans, My arms, Your Hearse, Nevermind, Downward Spiral, Loveless, Run the Jewels 2, and many others
Waking The Fallen is one of my definitive albums of all time. Not A7X's most concise effort, of which City Of Evil takes that crown, but absolutely blows their first album out of the water! Title intro/Unholy Confessions, Chapter Four, Remenissions, Desecrate Through Reverence, Eternal Rest, Second Heartbeat, Radiant Eclipse, I Won't See You Tonight, Clairvoyant Disease, And All Things Will End. A God-Tier sophomore album in my opinion.
Glad I got to seem them tour for the album, and meet them afterward, including Jimmy 💚
@@_Arugula_Salad_ Badass! If I had more friends who were into A7X at that time, I'd have gone! As it was, my now ex-wife, her brother, and several of his friends from school rented a van and drove to Milwaukee in 2006 to see them on the City Of Evil Tour at The Rave, where they played with Coheed And Cambria.
That is amazing that you met The Rev, that is quite an honor. I miss him, and his Presence in the band.
Thinking about Hybrid Theory vs Meteora, I think it’s a two part story of discovery and mastery. It tells me something that the band moved on from this sound immediately after Meteora.
311?! Dude, I think the internet should punish you for not making a video about them! There's just too much potential in a 311 video.
The strange history of Bad Religion is a very much needed episode on the other channel
there is no better sophomore album than Siamese Dream - The Smashing Pumpkins. Almost perfect the entire way through, and somehow their third album Mellon Collie was still considered their best work.
Underoaths second album is cries of the past ope
Was jamming Dude Ranch today, great album so catchy :)
Fall Out Boy's From Under the Cork Tree might be my favorite sophomore effort. They even poke fun at the idea of a sophomore slump on the album. Love that record.
It’s top tier early 00s pop punk, with an emphasis on the Pop (which is a good thing for this genre). So nostalgic for me, I love it.
Satisfaction is the death of desire is the best hatebreed album, every last track is 10/10- some of the best breakdowns ever, I love the production and recording, awesome lyrics, just hands down one of my favorite albums ever made.
Waking the Fallen being in the B tier is one of Finn's worst takes in my opinion 😂 Besides melodic Death metal bands like At The Gates, waking the fallen and Alive or just breathing basically defined that era of early 2000's metalcore, otherwise I actually agree with pretty much all of these, good video!
I don’t even like 311 like at all but that first album they put out is damn good. It improved my drumming a lot. Some of the sexiest grooves I’ve heard.
Finn likes 311? My whole world just turned upside down after that
Stone Temple Pilots - Purple is S tier imo. Great second album and great album period.
Ultimate S-tiers: Nevermind, Dirt, The Colour and the Shape, Crazysexycool, Led Zeppelin 2, Like a Virgin, Zen Arcade, Paul's Boutique, It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
Paul’s Boutique? Wasn’t that their third album? BB first released Polly Wog Stew in ‘82 when they were hardcore punk, making Licensed To Kill their second album
Waking the fallen is one of my fav albums of all time
Fall Out Boy should be on the next sophomore album list. I love straight-up pop punk of Take This to Your Grave. They improved their songwriting 100 fold for From Under the Cork Tree.
Dude ranch to me goes at the top. Not because it’s the best but it was the first album I got from blink and I was at the perfect age for it. Enema was a better album overall but stumbling across dude ranch before anyone really knew who they were brought some great memories.
Music for the Jilted Generation by The Prodigy...no, it's not rock, metal or punk but it's a stellar album and still their best. This is when they transitioned out of their candy rave phase and started to incorporate darker elements of electronic music paired with trip hop and grunge. All round banger and loved by music fans everywhere. Ready to die on this hill...
If you haven't watched their full live set at the Phoenix festival in '96 (readily available on RUclips) I suggest checking it out. You won't be disappointed. The amount of energy is mind-blowing. They damn near nearly caused a riot at the end 😂
Please talk about 311 sometime. Id get grief from my friends that were stoners for liking hardcore and metal and then the hardcore and metal friends couldnt fathom why 311 was my favorite band.
Perseverance isn’t really Hatebreed’s sophomore album. Prior to this was Satisfaction Is The Death Of Desire (my favorite), and prior to that was Under The Knife.
Under The Knife was a 7", don't be confidently incorrect
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA and I believe some of the songs found a home on SITDOD. I have them both on CD, didn’t know it was a 7”. Then again, I haven’t played that album since high school….when Hatebreed played tiny venues up here in NH.
In the late 2000's, I got shit for wearing Converge and Behemoth shirts because those bands were "too mainstream."
On what fucking planet have either of those bands ever been "mainstream?!"
Hahaha Converge has never been mainstream. I think heads would explode if you played them in public
@@dancegregorydance6933same with Behemoth
I think im gonna give 'they're only chasing safety' a spin for the 10000th time.
I think Meteora sounded more radio friendly than Hybrid Theory.
That was the point of it
That’s not always a bad thing, imo they just sounded more polished.
Underoath’s second LP was Cries of the Past.
Fun fact the screamer in those Underoath songs is a Dallas Taylor
If 3 dollar bill yall had better production and mixing it would be A tier for me. It's pretty nostalgic.
Deftones sophomore album is S tier for sure. I love Adrenaline but the evolution from it to Around the Fur is unbelievable.
I don't count the demo they used to hand out at shows as their 1st album either lol.
meteora is my favorite LP album. songs on Hybrid theory and Meteora are both top tier. but i really like the way the tracks flowed on CD for Meteora. it was just an experience.
Waking the fallen not being S tier is wild.
100% agree. This album for me becoming only better over the years and it might even be my favorite of theirs.
Self titled Hatebreed album was way after Rise of Brutality
My personal favorite sophomore album is Deja Entendu by Brand New. Went from a generic sounding pop punk band to one of the best post punk bands ever imo.
Cries of the Past is Underoath's second album, not The Changing of Times. You got it wrong, Finn.
Fear Factory's sophomoric album changed metal. Soul of a New Machine is actually my favorite, but that's because it's such a unique sound and, once Demanufacture came out, everything after that seemed like it was just riffing on that second album. If they had made 6 albums that sounded like SoaNM, I wouldn't enjoy it nearly as much.
I would take 6 albums of that over where they went.
Have you listened to Concrete? It was meant to be their first release, but went unreleased for like 11 years due to a legal dispute with Ross Robinson (who produced it)... Some of it was re-recorded for Souls but it's worth checking out as there are songs that are exclusive to that recording
I think it depends on the individual, regarding Hybrid Theory and Meteora, I like Hybrid Theory more because we got reanimation but Meteora had popular songs.
Images and Words - Dream Theater
Best sophomore album for a prog band ever.
Meteora and Iowa are S-Tier
Three Cheers by MCR was amazing
Underoath's second album was Cries of the Past (tier S+++ IMO) but u can consider Act of Depression+Cries of the Past to be like the big one first album of them lol
The Changing of Times was the first one released by Solid State/EMI Records, but it was the third one.
I thought I was the only one that knew Underoath’s “Act of Depression”. It’s a short album, but I revisit quite often. Lots of breakdown variety and very enjoyable to listen to, give it a listen!
My ranking no one asked for:
Significant Other (Limp Bizkit): C
Pretty. Odd. (Panic! at the Disco): Not a big Panic! at the Disco fan but I'd probably give it a B or C, haven't listened to it.
The Changing of Times (Underoath): Haven't listened to really any Underoath tbh but their newer stuff kinda sounds like POST HUMAN: NeX GEn mixed with Sleep Token, I'm a much bigger fan of the former and the last time I listened to a Sleep Token song was a Drumeo video like 2 months ago. Also the snippet in the video is F tier.
Dude Ranch (Blink-182) Top of A or Bottom of S
Into the Unknown (Bad Religion): F
Perseverance (Hatebreed): Ngl I haven't listened to a single Hatebreed song. Snippet was great, playing was very clean for a hardcore album.
Waking the Fallen (Avenged Sevenfold): A
Meteora: S
Iowa: S
G N' R Lies (Guns N' Roses): B but only because Patience carries. People use the gamer word usage in One in a Million as a way to diminish one of the most beautiful rock ballads ever written a few tracks prior. Hot take but separate the art from not only the artist, but also the controversy. I say this not to defend the usage of the word, but that one track with a lot of controversy shouldn't affect anyone's opinion on another track free from it.
Of the ones I've listened to:
1. Meteora
2. Iowa
3. Dude Ranch
4. G N' R Lies
5. Waking the Fallen
100% gonna check out Hatebreed later.
Except that The Changing of Times is not Underoath's second studio album. Finn got it wrong.
@@PedroHenrique-mj1mn Yeah I saw that on the discography page when looking at some of the tracklists for refreshers/to see if I recognized any songs from albums I hadn't listened to, on some of these, but I included the 3rd because it was the album brought up, not the actual 2nd album.
Appetite for Destruction is a God Tier album. There's a sound and aesthetic attached to it that people have been trying to replicate for almost 40 years.
I am surprised you're a 311 fan. One of my favorite bands ever. I remember the first time I heard grassroots.
The Changing of Times is NOT Underoath's second album. It's CRIES OF THE PAST
Dude, 311 100% is God tier. Love that you are a fan.
The screaming vocals on that underoath album sound like me trying to whisper scream in my bedroom when I was 14 lol
10:20 When I remind myself that in music videos seeing unplugged guitars etc, they arent actually playing; just miming
Iowa got me through depression in my late teens.
Still Remains’ “Of Love & Lunacy” sophomore record was way ahead of its time, extremely unappreciated to this day. Would love to hear your take on the record?
Great video as always
PS Demon Hunter’s “Summer of Darkness” record is also S tier for its time, imo
"Arpund The Fur" (Deftones) is a great second album too if you know what am saying....
Never really listened “into the unknown “… but that snippet you played… probably the most interesting thing by that band, I’ve ever heard
Always excited to see Linkin Park coverage. Meteora and Hybrid Theory are definitely S tier! Love those albums. And. Think your analysis is spot on. I appreciate them for different reasons, depends on the day, but probably give a slight edge to HT.
While I agree that Waking The Fallen isn't A7X's best album, it is a metalcore masterpiece, 10/10 album, and belongs on the S tier for me :)
You know whats a pretty good pop song on that underoath album, the sun still sleeps (or something?) idk I rocked with it back in the day
When the Sun Sleeps. The Changing of Times is Underoath's THIRD album, not the second as Finn says on the video.
@@PedroHenrique-mj1mnyou're absolutely right. I was thinking that as well after watching. Personally i'm more into the defining the great line, sound of seperation era of underoath
I've heard you mention the vandals, but I didn't know you had them ranked so highly on your personal list.
I was very late to them, didn't get it for a long time but it sort of just clicked for me at some point. I guess when I started to appreciate punk that didn't take itself so seriously.
5:00 also, just to make things clear, this is a real Underoath lyric
Two sophomore albums that immediately come to mind are Leviathan by Mastodon and Oceanic by Isis. Both absolutely incredible and influential.
I feel like Mansons Antichrist superstar has got to be mentioned the way it catapulted that band into mainstream success especially impressive when considering how dark and heavy that record is somehow it became a mtv staple and was unavoidable for some time.
I have the same feeling of uncertainty between the first 2 albums in the case of Garbage, both of them are amazing but in a different way
So according to " Do what you want" Bad Religion's autobiography, not all of the band members were on board with Into the Unknown but they were heavily influenced by Prog Rock and Jethro Tull lol
Outside of this channels' paradigm but worth a mention.
Rainbow's second album Rising is just transcendiary and legendary. I mean Dio performing at IMO his greatest on Tarot Woman, Starstruck, etc. Let's not forget the absolute masterpieces of Stargazer and Light in the Black. God dang to have the Philharmonich Orchestra for Stargazer and that solo by Blackmore, geez it's still astonishing to this day. This is the album that many a-power metal band got influence from.
If there was ever an album that superseded the first album in almost any way, it's Rising by Rainbow.
This feels like the youtube version of Now Thats What I Call Music. Im psyched for fourth cds, they are unexpected, either a flop or rise back up, and tend to cement a band where there relevance is. Btw, no one mentions Many More. Ive seen then on conpilation cds for 30 years
It's a much smaller selection to choose from. A lot of bands don't ever make it that far haha