Great review.. So many people knock this camera without even having any experience using it.. They forget about form factor, ease of use. great adaptable lens selection... You can create wonderful art with a pencil and paper but wannabe photographers geek photo nerds need there specs and troll the net when they should be out creating art...
for photo it's fine, for video not so much. It's a joke how they always leave stuff away although they even implemented it in some of their OWN FREAKING CAMERAS. Why no headphone jack? Why no audio levels on screen? My 70d can do it, why can't the M5 do it? Why no god damn focus peaking? It's 2017, others have this stuff for more than 5 years and I'm not even joking...
We didn't mention it but the M5 does have peaking and it is really useful. I can do pretty decent focus pulls with the 150-600 using it. Not having the audio levels on the screen is inexcusable, though.
Mike Drew That's good to hear. At least they start to implement that since it's really useful. But still so much stuff that they already did right and now do wrong all of the sudden...
Your point is still great - gets old with Canon leaving features/capabilities off their cameras. For enthusiasts, they need a Much better native lens selection. Why adapt lenses (which don't focus quite as well) when they can get the 80D for less (no adapter). Non enthusiasts will probably just stick with their phone.
Canon-mount lenses work flawlessly with the adapter on the M5, which is included with the camera, by the way. While I would like to see more M-mount lenses, the truth is that you have a far larger selection of Canon- mount lenses from Tamron and Sigma as well as Canon than pretty much any other manufacturer.
lol. Cant wait for the 5Dmk5 in 3 Years. Wonder if the 1 extra crosstype AF Point will make a huge difference. Hopefully they reduce the 4k crop to 1.5 instead of 1.75.
I'm not even in the market for another camera but I just find watching your reviews to be so soothing and enjoyable. You guys are just super pleasant and funny in that quintessential Canadian way! In addition, I get to see beautiful natural landscapes and photos of said landscapes.
I absolutely love my M5! I now happy I can use my L glass and have a smaller system with smaller lenses if I need to. Love the touch screen and just makes me want to take photos. Im selling all my fuji stuff. The auto focus and touch screen and the fact I can use my old canon glass did it for me. Thank you Canon - at last. and great review btw
I've been using the Canon M (Original) since it came out. Had to buy most of the lenses from Asia, but the prices were good. Buying this M5 was a no-brainer for me. I love this camera. Really easy to use as a photographer. I'm not into video so much so 4k not needed. The ergonomics of the M5 are what make it so usable for someone with arthritic hands and the weight is amazing even when using EF lenses. Sometimes it gets front heavy so I use a tripod which negates this problem. All in all I wish people would try out this camera before relegating it to their scrapheaps, really unfair. For what it was designed to do, it works great. Judge it for what it can do not for what it wasn't. Thanks for letting me vent.
Excellent video as always guys, thanks. Here in the Pyrenees (alt 3,000ft) it is still so warm and dry we are getting forest fires, normally I'm under 6ft of snow in January. No ear muffs required.
That was a fantastic review, as always, Chris and Mike. I've been on the fence for awhile with this camera, but now I'm definitely buying one. Thanks guys for pointing out the strengths and weaknesses.
As a Nikon user I am super happy about the M5, it puts a lot of pressure on Nikon to start making mirrorless cameras which has APS-C and hopefully FF sensors. Cant wait to see Nikon's answer even though I am sure it will take time a year or two before we will see a good mirrorless camera by Nikon.
Superb review. Covered all you need to know, and also real world experience using the camera. They will probably fix that audio thing and some other minor things.
You're not wrong!! But 38 years of shooting any single brand will tend to prejudice you a bit. I do generally like the M5, though. I shoot with it every day.
Chris, thanks for boiling it down toward the end to answer the question in my head of whether I could/should replace my 80D with this camera (no). Much appreciated!!
Thanks for the review. Notes taken about video recording feature: - Touch screen works even with glove on - Digital and lens stabilizers for video - wifi connection to smartphone - no headphone jack - no audio level in main screen - no 4k video recording - compared with Sony 6300 with 4K but no touch screen - lousy articulate screen - compared with 80D the better camera for video
Late to the game, but I just bought one of the last new M5s (18-150mm kit) to lighten up my hiking pack because I'm not getting any younger. I love my R, and there were times I missed it, but this little camera performed extremely well on a recent hiking trip. No complaints from a photographer (I know that videographers might have a different take.). The 32mm was a nice addition.
I was feeling bad for myself how cold it was where I live. But watching this video I realize I shouldn't be complaining about my weather because it's nowhere near as cold as it is there near Calgary Canada.
January in Calgary? Good Lord, I can't imagine how cold that must be if you guys are complaining about it and Mike Drew's face is red. It gets too cold here in Indianapolis for me in the winter.
awesome. I have the m3 used body for about 315 dollars and I love it. I have several canon lens and I got the Vello adapter for ef to eos-m and I also go the MD to eos-m and the focus peeking is great.
Nice review. I am thinking about getting this as a second camera to my 6D. I really appreciated seeing this review with someone who has used previous versions. With the tripod blocking issue, how about getting a dual camera mount bracket so that your camera can sit to the side when you have it on the tripod and want to see the whole screen. It might be worth the 8 bucks on Amazon.
So. Sony is releasing more mirrorless native glass. If Nikon gets into ASP-C mirrorless could there at some point be enough demand for a Sigma Art ASP-C series that would be Nikon whatever, Canon M, and Sony alpha mounts? That would incorporate the actual reduced length and diameters these cameras could work with? I don't fully understand why micro four thirds lenses are so small and then we stick full frame lenses on ASP-C mirrorless cameras with an adapter.
Chris, regarding your comment about Metabones... the Sigma 150-600mm on the a6xxx is awesome but with the MC-11, and as good with Metabones. I know it's not a comparison video but since you guys "did" mention the a6300 and a6500, it's only fair to bring up features that the M5 doesn't have... like Eye-AF, which is a HUGE advantage
the screen does flip round it flips underneath - this seemed strange at first but a few reviewers like it because when you are checking your composition your eyes don't look like they are looking to the side
You guys are the best as usual! Can you please tell me if you're working on or thinking about doing a review of the new E-M1 soon? :) Regards from Sweden
If Canon would've released this two years ago & then started making native lenses for it & made it metal & weather proof maybe I wouldn't have sold my most my Canon kit & bought all Fuji.
I have to say I was impressed with the camera in my hands on experience. Does it compete yet? I guess it's an option now. (Blech. Sorry I threw up a little saying that) To have it rely on efs lenses is defeating the purpose of a great mirrorlesss camera system though.
I recently lost some photos from a faulty SD card. I can't understand why camera manufacturers like Canon don't put two card slots inside all of their mirrorless cameras. Micro SD cards are nearly equally fast and cheap as standard SD. Two micro SD slots don't take much space and are so important.
Would like to see how it compares to the G80 actually.....Since that one is cheaper, has 5 axis IBis. It does have 4K, it does have weathersealing, it does not need adapted lenses since all FLs are covered pretty well. And oh eejj....it does have that swivlescreen too. It does have almost everything you miss on the Canon but in the whole video Panasonics G85 which is not mentioned...once.
Serenoj69 it doesn't need adapters but it needs LENSES. Which are not cheap. And if you did photography before you most probably already own a bunch of Canon or Nikon glass. Panaleica, don't think so. Or, if you don't, you can find them in hundreds, dirt cheap, on craigslist or ebay. Micro four thirds, don't think so. And again, micro four thirds doesn't hold a candle in stills to the aps-c cameras
I go for capable, camera's with good lenses. A system that is portable. M5 wsimply cannot come close to my 12-35, 35-100 and 100-400 Panaleica setup when it comes to size and weight. THe IQ difference is minimal. If it matters to you or to others I am glad you can buy another camerasystem. But I am glad I rhave a GH4 ad now an EM1mkII with those lenses. If you cannot get excellent pics with those lenses and bodies the problem is you. Not the cam. And if you are really exacting about APS-c and best IQ out of it, a D500 or D7200 Nikon simply offers better IQ than any Canon APS-c cam currently does.
Serenoj69 it is not about the iq, which might be superior in micro 4/3, it is about the "looks" of the stills. Sensor size, which is perfect for video (super 35) is crippling the looks at lower focal lenghts, getting everything in focus, much like an i phone picture. also, 20 mpx on 4/3 vs 24 mpx on aps-c shows, trust me, in the final rendition.You have more depth of colors, the looks are more rich, creamy, a better overall look in general. In 4/3 sensor you have to go over 50 mm and under 2.8 to get any shallow depth of field
Long story shot. No. I have shot with D800e for a long time with its best glass and the sensor is better, colour, gradation, DR and certainly the noise too. But it is not giving it another look, just better IQ. I have Em1.2 now and its HiRes shots are better than the D800E can do unless it is action or so which cannot be done with Em1.2. But even basically, the 20 MP output of the thing is really good. Really I have little more to wish for.
Canon should have made this a mirrorless 80D. Weather sealed, All-I compression, headphone jack, and fully articulating screen. Hopefully, the next EOS M camera will be more capable.
I'm really surprised this video was as positive as it was. I thought TCS would destroy the camera for missing features. I shot with it and loved it...but at $1000, it puts itself in a market surrounded by much more capable alternatives. M glass needs to seriously get a refresh with at least 2 more pancake primes and a quality zoom or two. The adapted EOS glass works flawlessly, however. It would just be nice to have native glass that retained the small form factor.
MrKdr500 oh I can afford it. But don't want to encourage canon building shitty limitations into their new cameras ON PURPOSE. Anyway, things have changed and I will be getting one next week.
The Dead Immortal I need to use wireless tethering to give demos in the near future. This is as good an option as any canon has at the moment. Got one today!!
First impressions, it is REALLY good. And I own 3 other canon DSLRs. This takes things to the next level. Seeing the picture you just took in the view finder allows you to immediately move on to shooting other things. I think I will get rid of my 7D II very soon. That thing is total overpriced crap
might over heard it, but for the light i heard in no review something definitely useful like: in pitchblack its f8 ISO 200 1/100bright when at 1:1. that d be helpy.
i was planning on getting one but i'm stuck with the budget , in my country i can get the EOS m5 with Kit len 15 - 45 .... for only 875$. I can afford this but i can't buy the 11 - 22 since i am in a limited budget ... do you think 15 - 45 is good enough to be on len that i can go around with? :) :) Hopefully you answer ... thank you
I want that handle thing on the 150-600.it would make turning the zoom ring easier for my smaller hands. I own the 150-600 and love it it's just hard to crank that zoom ring sometimes
Chris, you missed another feature where Canon skimped compared to 80D Canon 80D can shoot MOV 24fps at 90 mbps or MP4 60fps at 60 mbps, best M5 can do is MP4 60fps at 35 mbps and MP4 24/30fps at 24mbps
Yep, ALL-I would sure have been nice and no problem to include. And since we're talking video, the default Sharpness settings are grotesquely excessive. Make sure you turn it down a couple of notches before you judge the video quality. Any decent editing system will allow you to add it back in. Here's a video I did with the M5 before resetting the Sharpness levels. vimeo.com/195412893. Looks way too sharpened for my tastes.
Really great review, thanks. Now we just have to wait for the Full Frame version, although it would seem that the EF and EF-M mounts will haunt Canon's capacity to move down that path.
I bought this camera as it totally fit the bill for my V-logging. I had the 80D, loved it and really wanted the smaller form factor/lenses for travel Vlogging. Camera arrives and I find out Canon has disabled Video shooting using the WiFi function!! I was so pissed off at Canon! I mean why, WHY CANON?! The 80D has WiFi video Trigger but they just take the video function out of the WiFi for no reason at all! This is touted as a Vlogging cam! So why?! Anyway. I returned the camera... I'll have to wait for the GH5 to see how the AF works on it. We'll see. I just cant understand Canon any more.
C'mon Chris, don't try to please Mike. Tell everyone the full story. There is more competition than the a6300, and they do have a better native lens selection and don't look incredibly ugly. This is review is only for canon users with alot of ef glass
It was between this and the Panasonic G85 for me. What kept me from the M5 was the flip down screen was pretty much useless on a tripod, the electronic stabilization severely degrades the already lackluster video quality, and there are no real fast primes yet for that system. I don't like adapting glass, so Canon lost out on this one.
Adrian Pocea Have you seen the latest samples from dpreview on the M5? They look like they were shot with a phone. I don't think it wouldn't be tough to beat that image quality lol. There are no native fast primes, I don't see how a tiny increase in sensor size would ever make up for good lenses? Plus, I'm a youtuber, I shoot video. Stills are an afterthought to me. Although I'm pretty sure I could outdo anything shot on native M5 glass with my Mitakon 25mm f0.95.
Vegetable Police you have nothing to do with photography. youtube vlogger, got it. that makes sense. you are wasting your time watching Canon reviews. way better options for vlogging, including a go pro, an iphone on a tripod
Adrian Pocea First of all, it's never a waste of time watching The Camera Store TV, that's blasphemy ;) Why you hatin? I almost got the Canon. I wanted to upgrade from the Canon G7X but the Panasonic stole my heart. I'm not a vlogger by the way. I love Canon, but the Panasonic G85 slaps it around for video. Fully articulating screen, 4k, in body image stabilization, better pre amps for external mic, and way better lens choices as of right now. If you look at dpreview's video test scene comparison, the Canon M5's 1080p is super soft compared to the G85, and when you turn on electronic stabilization it's even worse. Trust me, I wanted to love that camera. The only thing good about the M5 is it's auto focus, and I always manual focus anyways, so I'm not sure there is one thing better about the Canon other than it's larger sensor, which is offset by the fast prime I use.
I compared the M5 with kit lens against the Sony A6500 with 16-70 f4. The Canon touch screen and interface win. The Sony captured more in focus low light shots than the M5 using sport modes on each. Also the 6500 shots had more detail and were sharper than the M5 with kit lens. So if you want to capture your kids than try the 6500 sports and inside with the low light settings.
When can we hope for/expect a GH5 vs. A7sii vs a6500 shootout???? PLEASE!!! Video motion focusing (sports/weddings) is a Must...and tough on the GH4... Wondering if the GH5 solves the shortcomings yet...?
would have bene good to see more comparison with the 6300 or other mirrorless. Although it is obvious that mike hasnt used other mirrorless. I think this would have made the review a bit more relevant
Hi, am using EOS M5, and post recording am not able to view the video capture details, i.e Aperature, Shutter speed, ISO, can you guide me how to check..
which is the best camera for making videos ??? is it canon g7x mark ii or canon eos 700d/rebel t6i or canon eos m3??? please help me sir... suggest the best value for money CAMERA ..... THANK YOU SIR....
Did Mike say that the EVF does not do live exposure preview? That's been one of the defining benefits Canon Live View over the competition for nearly a decade now, and all of a sudden it's not implemented in their first "serious" mirrorless body?
Hi guys. I've had a lot more time to work with the M5 since we did this video and I've learned a lot more about it. It turns out that my problem with the viewfinder was that the brightness level wasn't adjusted properly so it looked much darker when I held the camera to my eye. I've since found out that you have to look through the viewfinder when you adjust the brightness for it. I thought that the brightness level setting adjusted both at the same time. I now have the viewfinder set at maximum brightness and the rear screen set two levels darker. That pretty much evens them out. Guess I should have read the manual! And yes, the M5 does do exposure preview. And quite well, too. Matches pretty closely to what I see in Lightroom. Additionally, you can set it to show the histogram as you're shooting which is a big help as well.
I've noticed that spending extended hours in the cold has had a negative affect on my battery life, both in my phone and in my camera. Like my devices said they were dead, and stopped working, but once we were in the car and warm again they suddenly had battery life again. Did you notice any significant loss of battery life in that weather? Have you ever seen that happen? Do you know a good way to prevent/fix that?
Thank you Chris for offering a review of this camera, haven't seen very many reviews yet! I have a question though, I'm stuck between the M5 and the 80D for video. The 80D's AF sensitivity can be adjusted to slow or speed up. Does the M5 offer this feature?
Looking forward to see your review/opinion of the GH5! BTW, any idea about a new Sony a7s camera coming out soon? I have been wanting the a7s2 for a while but it is too expensive... hoping a new model will bring the mark 2 model down in price.
It feels like a strange bird in Canons nest. Its like they had to make a mirrorless but also cripple it at the same time. Whom is it for i wonder. Don't get me wrong the camera has quite a few strong points i mean dual pixel focus, works flawlessly with canon glass and adapter. Well... thats it... its not really competition to any other mirrorless out there really.
I think it's a great buy. It has image quality on par with the Canon 80D. I haven't seen a comparable mirror less cameras with a Touch screen yet - and this great for focusing with the screen like on a smartphone. Another bonus is f you already have canon lenses, this would be a good buy.
Would you guys say that with the M5, the EOS M system is the fastest system for adapted glass (especially EF)? Because even Micro-Four-Thirds is extremely slow with Four Thirds lenses.
Using the supplied Canon adapter it's just as fast as any other camera in its class. I use it with the Toking 11-16, the Sigma 18-35 and 150-600 as well as all the Canon lenses I have, both EF and EF-S. It's no 1D-X Mark II but it's plenty quick enough.
Hi! would you refer this camera to a beginner? like I use before a nikon d3100 before and some how I used it well, and now I'm looking for upgrade for travel purposes.. thanks!
Great review.. So many people knock this camera without even having any experience using it.. They forget about form factor, ease of use. great adaptable lens selection... You can create wonderful art with a pencil and paper but wannabe photographers geek photo nerds need there specs and troll the net when they should be out creating art...
for photo it's fine, for video not so much. It's a joke how they always leave stuff away although they even implemented it in some of their OWN FREAKING CAMERAS. Why no headphone jack? Why no audio levels on screen? My 70d can do it, why can't the M5 do it? Why no god damn focus peaking? It's 2017, others have this stuff for more than 5 years and I'm not even joking...
We didn't mention it but the M5 does have peaking and it is really useful. I can do pretty decent focus pulls with the 150-600 using it. Not having the audio levels on the screen is inexcusable, though.
Mike Drew That's good to hear. At least they start to implement that since it's really useful. But still so much stuff that they already did right and now do wrong all of the sudden...
Your point is still great - gets old with Canon leaving features/capabilities off their cameras. For enthusiasts, they need a Much better native lens selection. Why adapt lenses (which don't focus quite as well) when they can get the 80D for less (no adapter). Non enthusiasts will probably just stick with their phone.
Canon-mount lenses work flawlessly with the adapter on the M5, which is included with the camera, by the way. While I would like to see more M-mount lenses, the truth is that you have a far larger selection of Canon- mount lenses from Tamron and Sigma as well as Canon than pretty much any other manufacturer.
Can't wait to see more videos this year. Can't wait to see the GH5 review and the Sony a6600 a6650 a6675 a6680 reviews
lol. Cant wait for the 5Dmk5 in 3 Years. Wonder if the 1 extra crosstype AF Point will make a huge difference. Hopefully they reduce the 4k crop to 1.5 instead of 1.75.
3 years? try 5.
Mild gargle the a6300 was delayed... That is why the 6500 came a bit close.
lol
Dumbass, everyone knows the Sony a7riii, a7siii, a7w, a7riv, and the rx100vi are gonna come out first
I'm not even in the market for another camera but I just find watching your reviews to be so soothing and enjoyable. You guys are just super pleasant and funny in that quintessential Canadian way! In addition, I get to see beautiful natural landscapes and photos of said landscapes.
Don't care at all about the M5 but watching the video because I missed you guys
I absolutely love my M5! I now happy I can use my L glass and have a smaller system with smaller lenses if I need to. Love the touch screen and just makes me want to take photos. Im selling all my fuji stuff. The auto focus and touch screen and the fact I can use my old canon glass did it for me. Thank you Canon - at last. and great review btw
I've been using the Canon M (Original) since it came out. Had to buy most of the lenses from Asia, but the prices were good. Buying this M5 was a no-brainer for me. I love this camera. Really easy to use as a photographer. I'm not into video so much so 4k not needed. The ergonomics of the M5 are what make it so usable for someone with arthritic hands and the weight is amazing even when using EF lenses. Sometimes it gets front heavy so I use a tripod which negates this problem. All in all I wish people would try out this camera before relegating it to their scrapheaps, really unfair. For what it was designed to do, it works great. Judge it for what it can do not for what it wasn't. Thanks for letting me vent.
Excellent video as always guys, thanks. Here in the Pyrenees (alt 3,000ft) it is still so warm and dry we are getting forest fires, normally I'm under 6ft of snow in January. No ear muffs required.
"Canon giveth. Canon taketh away."
Blessed be the name of Canon.
It's the canon cripple hammer
I always love when Mike Drew joins the show!
That was a fantastic review, as always, Chris and Mike. I've been on the fence for awhile with this camera, but now I'm definitely buying one. Thanks guys for pointing out the strengths and weaknesses.
oh my gash its about time, been waiting for you guys to review this! thanks for the video!!!!
I have one of these wee cameras and I love it. Find the range of lenses sharp and so light and compact.
As a Nikon user I am super happy about the M5, it puts a lot of pressure on Nikon to start making mirrorless cameras which has APS-C and hopefully FF sensors. Cant wait to see Nikon's answer even though I am sure it will take time a year or two before we will see a good mirrorless camera by Nikon.
Superb review. Covered all you need to know, and also real world experience using the camera. They will probably fix that audio thing and some other minor things.
Spoiler alert: every time there's Mike Drew testing out a Canon camera, it's going to be a positive review!
The 5D MK4 was not positive... at all :P
Islam Farid Mike Drew wasn't in that video, which proves my point!
Hah Ok
You're not wrong!! But 38 years of shooting any single brand will tend to prejudice you a bit. I do generally like the M5, though. I shoot with it every day.
+Mike Drew You captured some beautiful images!
Chris, thanks for boiling it down toward the end to answer the question in my head of whether I could/should replace my 80D with this camera (no). Much appreciated!!
Thanks for the review. Notes taken about video recording feature:
- Touch screen works even with glove on
- Digital and lens stabilizers for video
- wifi connection to smartphone
- no headphone jack
- no audio level in main screen
- no 4k video recording
- compared with Sony 6300 with 4K but no touch screen
- lousy articulate screen
- compared with 80D the better camera for video
The camera sounds great! I loved the EOS lineup for video so this would be really great for that.
Late to the game, but I just bought one of the last new M5s (18-150mm kit) to lighten up my hiking pack because I'm not getting any younger. I love my R, and there were times I missed it, but this little camera performed extremely well on a recent hiking trip. No complaints from a photographer (I know that videographers might have a different take.). The 32mm was a nice addition.
I'm cold just watching this! Looking forward to more hands-on tests/reviews this year :)
Still using original EOS M :) Great review!
I was feeling bad for myself how cold it was where I live. But watching this video I realize I shouldn't be complaining about my weather because it's nowhere near as cold as it is there near Calgary Canada.
Nice start to 2017 with a quality review! :)
such a chill video
Wow, I loved the white, macro photography is really amazing,Looks better than Cannon 7DII
I would like to see a a99ii hands on. Thank you guys.
4K won't go below f/3.5 other than that it seems a very good camera.
Video is limited to f3.5 only in AF mode
I love my M5. I would love to see some premium M lenses from Canon!
I have the M3. Love this cameras. Very cool.
January in Calgary? Good Lord, I can't imagine how cold that must be if you guys are complaining about it and Mike Drew's face is red. It gets too cold here in Indianapolis for me in the winter.
at last, looks good, nice and simple too
Sounds like a very good piece of equipment, and since I have no need to 4K, this would work for me.
Can we all agree that Mike is dope in the best way possible?
I tested this camera in the store today,, I really liked it,, I think I might get it
awesome. I have the m3 used body for about 315 dollars and I love it. I have several canon lens and I got the Vello adapter for ef to eos-m and I also go the MD to eos-m and the focus peeking is great.
Nice review. I am thinking about getting this as a second camera to my 6D. I really appreciated seeing this review with someone who has used previous versions. With the tripod blocking issue, how about getting a dual camera mount bracket so that your camera can sit to the side when you have it on the tripod and want to see the whole screen. It might be worth the 8 bucks on Amazon.
G85/80 seems to be better value for money: ibis, weather sealed, 4k, many native lenses, better kit lens too (weather sealed), swivel LCD, better placed af/ae-l lock button, better grip, vertical grip avaiability...
Cosmin Munteanu nu se apropie la poze de canon. am avut panasonic, super pe video, dar pe fotografii limitari masive
So. Sony is releasing more mirrorless native glass. If Nikon gets into ASP-C mirrorless could there at some point be enough demand for a Sigma Art ASP-C series that would be Nikon whatever, Canon M, and Sony alpha mounts? That would incorporate the actual reduced length and diameters these cameras could work with? I don't fully understand why micro four thirds lenses are so small and then we stick full frame lenses on ASP-C mirrorless cameras with an adapter.
Loved this field test as well as the images & videos! Thanks!
When is the A99 II Hands-on coming?
And you are waiting for a youtube video before you will buy it? Lol.
So many choices these days.. sony a6500, GH5, a99I, A7Rii, A7Sii
Chris, regarding your comment about Metabones... the Sigma 150-600mm on the a6xxx is awesome but with the MC-11, and as good with Metabones. I know it's not a comparison video but since you guys "did" mention the a6300 and a6500, it's only fair to bring up features that the M5 doesn't have... like Eye-AF, which is a HUGE advantage
the screen does flip round it flips underneath - this seemed strange at first but a few reviewers like it because when you are checking your composition your eyes don't look like they are looking to the side
The rear-screen flips all the way down, why didn't you show this?
You guys are the best as usual! Can you please tell me if you're working on or thinking about doing a review of the new E-M1 soon? :) Regards from Sweden
Working on it right now!
Jordan @ TCSTV
TheCameraStoreTV Hey Jordan. Great video. Great audio.
Can't wait and am really interested in your take. Because I have it and I can see people loving it and hating it actually...
If Canon would've released this two years ago & then started making native lenses for it & made it metal & weather proof maybe I wouldn't have sold my most my Canon kit & bought all Fuji.
Loopsrainforest +1
great video, thanks!
I have to say I was impressed with the camera in my hands on experience. Does it compete yet? I guess it's an option now. (Blech. Sorry I threw up a little saying that) To have it rely on efs lenses is defeating the purpose of a great mirrorlesss camera system though.
Nice review. I like the m5 too.
I recently lost some photos from a faulty SD card.
I can't understand why camera manufacturers like Canon don't put two card slots inside all of their mirrorless cameras.
Micro SD cards are nearly equally fast and cheap as standard SD. Two micro SD slots don't take much space and are so important.
They just want you to buy more expensive cameras, it's pure corporate greed.
Im really considering investing in a m5 (right now I have a T1i )
Would like to see how it compares to the G80 actually.....Since that one is cheaper, has 5 axis IBis. It does have 4K, it does have weathersealing, it does not need adapted lenses since all FLs are covered pretty well. And oh eejj....it does have that swivlescreen too. It does have almost everything you miss on the Canon but in the whole video Panasonics G85 which is not mentioned...once.
Serenoj69 it doesn't need adapters but it needs LENSES. Which are not cheap. And if you did photography before you most probably already own a bunch of Canon or Nikon glass. Panaleica, don't think so. Or, if you don't, you can find them in hundreds, dirt cheap, on craigslist or ebay. Micro four thirds, don't think so. And again, micro four thirds doesn't hold a candle in stills to the aps-c cameras
I go for capable, camera's with good lenses. A system that is portable. M5 wsimply cannot come close to my 12-35, 35-100 and 100-400 Panaleica setup when it comes to size and weight. THe IQ difference is minimal. If it matters to you or to others I am glad you can buy another camerasystem. But I am glad I rhave a GH4 ad now an EM1mkII with those lenses. If you cannot get excellent pics with those lenses and bodies the problem is you. Not the cam.
And if you are really exacting about APS-c and best IQ out of it, a D500 or D7200 Nikon simply offers better IQ than any Canon APS-c cam currently does.
Serenoj69 it is not about the iq, which might be superior in micro 4/3, it is about the "looks" of the stills. Sensor size, which is perfect for video (super 35) is crippling the looks at lower focal lenghts, getting everything in focus, much like an i phone picture. also, 20 mpx on 4/3 vs 24 mpx on aps-c shows, trust me, in the final rendition.You have more depth of colors, the looks are more rich, creamy, a better overall look in general. In 4/3 sensor you have to go over 50 mm and under 2.8 to get any shallow depth of field
Long story shot. No. I have shot with D800e for a long time with its best glass and the sensor is better, colour, gradation, DR and certainly the noise too. But it is not giving it another look, just better IQ. I have Em1.2 now and its HiRes shots are better than the D800E can do unless it is action or so which cannot be done with Em1.2. But even basically, the 20 MP output of the thing is really good. Really I have little more to wish for.
What? The screen is fully articulating though? It flips down.
Great video. Thx
Thanks for this fine review. Can't wait for the Olympus E-M1 II. :)
Canon should have made this a mirrorless 80D. Weather sealed, All-I compression, headphone jack, and fully articulating screen. Hopefully, the next EOS M camera will be more capable.
My "go to" travel camera.
I'm really surprised this video was as positive as it was. I thought TCS would destroy the camera for missing features. I shot with it and loved it...but at $1000, it puts itself in a market surrounded by much more capable alternatives. M glass needs to seriously get a refresh with at least 2 more pancake primes and a quality zoom or two. The adapted EOS glass works flawlessly, however. It would just be nice to have native glass that retained the small form factor.
I will wait 6 months for no one to buy it and canon offering it half price before buying one.
just like all the other people wanting things they can't afford.
MrKdr500 oh I can afford it. But don't want to encourage canon building shitty limitations into their new cameras ON PURPOSE. Anyway, things have changed and I will be getting one next week.
What has changed for you to be getting the camera?
The Dead Immortal I need to use wireless tethering to give demos in the near future. This is as good an option as any canon has at the moment. Got one today!!
First impressions, it is REALLY good. And I own 3 other canon DSLRs. This takes things to the next level. Seeing the picture you just took in the view finder allows you to immediately move on to shooting other things. I think I will get rid of my 7D II very soon. That thing is total overpriced crap
0:38 "Hell has frozen over because...Canon has released a really capable mirrorless camera" LOL!!
might over heard it, but for the light i heard in no review something definitely useful like: in pitchblack its f8 ISO 200 1/100bright when at 1:1. that d be helpy.
i was planning on getting one but i'm stuck with the budget , in my country i can get the EOS m5 with Kit len 15 - 45 .... for only 875$. I can afford this but i can't buy the 11 - 22 since i am in a limited budget ... do you think 15 - 45 is good enough to be on len that i can go around with? :) :) Hopefully you answer ... thank you
Loved the video, as informative as ever.
Such fashionable ear warmers
I want that handle thing on the 150-600.it would make turning the zoom ring easier for my smaller hands. I own the 150-600 and love it it's just hard to crank that zoom ring sometimes
It's a rubber jar-lid opener I picked up at Safeway!
When are you going to do an EOS M6 review? :)
Chris, you missed another feature where Canon skimped compared to 80D
Canon 80D can shoot MOV 24fps at 90 mbps or MP4 60fps at 60 mbps, best M5 can do is MP4 60fps at 35 mbps and MP4 24/30fps at 24mbps
Yep, ALL-I would sure have been nice and no problem to include. And since we're talking video, the default Sharpness settings are grotesquely excessive. Make sure you turn it down a couple of notches before you judge the video quality. Any decent editing system will allow you to add it back in. Here's a video I did with the M5 before resetting the Sharpness levels. vimeo.com/195412893. Looks way too sharpened for my tastes.
Really great review, thanks.
Now we just have to wait for the Full Frame version, although it would seem that the EF and EF-M mounts will haunt Canon's capacity to move down that path.
I think I want Chris to do a review alone in the city for the M5, there was something missing in this review .
Nice video guys!
I bought this camera as it totally fit the bill for my V-logging. I had the 80D, loved it and really wanted the smaller form factor/lenses for travel Vlogging. Camera arrives and I find out Canon has disabled Video shooting using the WiFi function!! I was so pissed off at Canon! I mean why, WHY CANON?! The 80D has WiFi video Trigger but they just take the video function out of the WiFi for no reason at all! This is touted as a Vlogging cam! So why?! Anyway. I returned the camera... I'll have to wait for the GH5 to see how the AF works on it. We'll see. I just cant understand Canon any more.
C'mon Chris, don't try to please Mike. Tell everyone the full story. There is more competition than the a6300, and they do have a better native lens selection and don't look incredibly ugly. This is review is only for canon users with alot of ef glass
The M5 footage at 8:08 looks sharp. Was that recorded using the kit lens?
It was between this and the Panasonic G85 for me. What kept me from the M5 was the flip down screen was pretty much useless on a tripod, the electronic stabilization severely degrades the already lackluster video quality, and there are no real fast primes yet for that system. I don't like adapting glass, so Canon lost out on this one.
Vegetable Police you will not get anywhere near the same stills quality out of you g8x versus this one
Adrian Pocea Have you seen the latest samples from dpreview on the M5? They look like they were shot with a phone. I don't think it wouldn't be tough to beat that image quality lol. There are no native fast primes, I don't see how a tiny increase in sensor size would ever make up for good lenses?
Plus, I'm a youtuber, I shoot video. Stills are an afterthought to me. Although I'm pretty sure I could outdo anything shot on native M5 glass with my Mitakon 25mm f0.95.
Vegetable Police you have nothing to do with photography. youtube vlogger, got it. that makes sense. you are wasting your time watching Canon reviews. way better options for vlogging, including a go pro, an iphone on a tripod
Adrian Pocea First of all, it's never a waste of time watching The Camera Store TV, that's blasphemy ;)
Why you hatin? I almost got the Canon. I wanted to upgrade from the Canon G7X but the Panasonic stole my heart. I'm not a vlogger by the way.
I love Canon, but the Panasonic G85 slaps it around for video. Fully articulating screen, 4k, in body image stabilization, better pre amps for external mic, and way better lens choices as of right now. If you look at dpreview's video test scene comparison, the Canon M5's 1080p is super soft compared to the G85, and when you turn on electronic stabilization it's even worse. Trust me, I wanted to love that camera.
The only thing good about the M5 is it's auto focus, and I always manual focus anyways, so I'm not sure there is one thing better about the Canon other than it's larger sensor, which is offset by the fast prime I use.
Vegetable Police Thank you. Will look at the G85. Love your RUclips name. No Vegetables For YOU!
I want one.
I compared the M5 with kit lens against the Sony A6500 with 16-70 f4. The Canon touch screen and interface win. The Sony captured more in focus low light shots than the M5 using sport modes on each. Also the 6500 shots had more detail and were sharper than the M5 with kit lens. So if you want to capture your kids than try the 6500 sports and inside with the low light settings.
When can we hope for/expect a GH5 vs. A7sii vs a6500 shootout???? PLEASE!!! Video motion focusing (sports/weddings) is a Must...and tough on the GH4... Wondering if the GH5 solves the shortcomings yet...?
Canon has finally given in and put effort into a mirrorless camera.
would have bene good to see more comparison with the 6300 or other mirrorless. Although it is obvious that mike hasnt used other mirrorless. I think this would have made the review a bit more relevant
+1 on that Nikon's hope they also do a mirrorless.
would still take gx80 or something similar over one of these.
Great review. Thanks! From sunny metro Phoenix :-) (Would be great to hear your comments about image quality improvements over the original M.)
Hi, am using EOS M5, and post recording am not able to view the video capture details, i.e Aperature, Shutter speed, ISO, can you guide me how to check..
I really wish Canon T7i T7s to have 4K, Dual Pixel AF, Headphone Jack and Canon will be on top again...
which is the best camera for making videos ??? is it canon g7x mark ii or canon eos 700d/rebel t6i or canon eos m3??? please help me sir... suggest the best value for money CAMERA ..... THANK YOU SIR....
Did Mike say that the EVF does not do live exposure preview?
That's been one of the defining benefits Canon Live View over the competition for nearly a decade now, and all of a sudden it's not implemented in their first "serious" mirrorless body?
it does, he said that is not that accurate compared to the LCD; strange
Hi guys. I've had a lot more time to work with the M5 since we did this video and I've learned a lot more about it. It turns out that my problem with the viewfinder was that the brightness level wasn't adjusted properly so it looked much darker when I held the camera to my eye. I've since found out that you have to look through the viewfinder when you adjust the brightness for it. I thought that the brightness level setting adjusted both at the same time. I now have the viewfinder set at maximum brightness and the rear screen set two levels darker. That pretty much evens them out. Guess I should have read the manual!
And yes, the M5 does do exposure preview. And quite well, too. Matches pretty closely to what I see in Lightroom. Additionally, you can set it to show the histogram as you're shooting which is a big help as well.
Mike Drew
Thanks so much for clarifying, I almost had a heart attack when you mentioned problems with EVF exposure.
Can you do comparison episode between E-M1 mark 2 adn GH5? This reviewed Canon I really don't find it interesting...
I am still debating the Canon M5 vs Panasonic g85.
That light on the lens really useful? Doesnt it make glare when shooting on close subjects
the future is in the software for cameras.
Mike sounds like Al Bundy from Married With Children....lol, great video!
liked fs5 colors, very natural
I've noticed that spending extended hours in the cold has had a negative affect on my battery life, both in my phone and in my camera. Like my devices said they were dead, and stopped working, but once we were in the car and warm again they suddenly had battery life again. Did you notice any significant loss of battery life in that weather? Have you ever seen that happen? Do you know a good way to prevent/fix that?
No weather sealing... Do you think it will last long on weather like on this video? Can you recommed this camera to mountain climbers?
I got the m5 a couple weeks ago and i maybe have a stupid question : if i want to make the whole picture sharp where do i focus in manual mode ?
would you guys go for this Eos m5 in stead of the g85 for both video and Photo work? I do not really Care for 4k.
Thank you Chris for offering a review of this camera, haven't seen very many reviews yet! I have a question though, I'm stuck between the M5 and the 80D for video. The 80D's AF sensitivity can be adjusted to slow or speed up. Does the M5 offer this feature?
Looking forward to see your review/opinion of the GH5! BTW, any idea about a new Sony a7s camera coming out soon? I have been wanting the a7s2 for a while but it is too expensive... hoping a new model will bring the mark 2 model down in price.
It feels like a strange bird in Canons nest. Its like they had to make a mirrorless but also cripple it at the same time. Whom is it for i wonder. Don't get me wrong the camera has quite a few strong points i mean dual pixel focus, works flawlessly with canon glass and adapter. Well... thats it... its not really competition to any other mirrorless out there really.
Tomas C K I think it is tbh
I think it's a great buy. It has image quality on par with the Canon 80D. I haven't seen a comparable mirror less cameras with a Touch screen yet - and this great for focusing with the screen like on a smartphone. Another bonus is f you already have canon lenses, this would be a good buy.
Nice video guys. Any comments on low light focusing capabilities? specially compared to a6300?
Would you recommend i get a canon m5 or a canon t6 or t7? I will only be taking pictures, would really appreciate a response!
Would you guys say that with the M5, the EOS M system is the fastest system for adapted glass (especially EF)? Because even Micro-Four-Thirds is extremely slow with Four Thirds lenses.
Using the supplied Canon adapter it's just as fast as any other camera in its class. I use it with the Toking 11-16, the Sigma 18-35 and 150-600 as well as all the Canon lenses I have, both EF and EF-S. It's no 1D-X Mark II but it's plenty quick enough.
Hi! would you refer this camera to a beginner? like I use before a nikon d3100 before and some how I used it well, and now I'm looking for upgrade for travel purposes.. thanks!