106. Earth Day with Derrick Jensen: on Ecological Grief and Reconnecting with Our Wild Nature
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- This Earth Day, I’d like to honor the importance of our connection to the natural world by welcoming the insightful Derrick Jensen, an author and environmental activist whose work has profoundly influenced me from an early age. We explore the stark contrast between our knowledge of commercial jingles and movie stars versus our understanding of the stars in the sky and the edible plants in our own backyards. How has our relationship with nature changed so drastically over the centuries? And what does this mean for our souls and our future?
Derrick paints a vivid picture of a world teeming with life, a stark contrast to the ecological devastation we witness today. Can we truly comprehend the rapid pace of loss that's occurring right before our eyes? We discuss the concept of addiction, not just in terms of substances, but in how we've become enslaved to technology and convenience. What are the implications of this enslavement for our planet and our very humanity?
Join us as we grapple with these questions and consider the idea of communal decision-making. Could it be the key to balancing innovation with tradition, action with contemplation? And what might we learn from the Okanagan decision-making process that honors the perspectives of youth, elders, mothers, and fathers? Tune in to find out how we might navigate the complex relationship between our technological advancements and the natural world we seem to be drifting away from.
Hailed as the philosopher poet of the environmental movement, Derrick Jensen is author of twenty-five books, including The Myth of Human Supremacy, Endgame and A Language Older Than Words. He holds a degree in creative writing from Eastern Washington University, a degree in mineral engineering physics from the Colorado School of Mines, and has taught at Eastern Washington University and Pelican Bay State Prison. He has packed university auditoriums, conferences, and bookstores across the nation, stirring them with revolutionary spirit.
Books mentioned in this episode:
A Language Older Than Words by Derrick Jensen: amzn.to/3UqppFG
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[00:02:37] The world we've forgotten.
[00:05:07] Unimaginable abundance of wildlife.
[00:08:10] Love story with the land.
[00:14:27] Decline of Monarch Butterflies.
[00:17:40] Appreciating the stars at night.
[00:23:31] Nostalgia and envy.
[00:24:55] Envy for lost species.
[00:29:25] Communal decision making.
[00:34:27] Technologies shaping social structures.
[00:40:35] Trauma and warfare's impact.
[00:43:28] Deal making with technology.
[00:45:11] Addiction and enslavement concept
[00:50:49] Animistic view of the universe.
[00:53:30] The importance of perspective.
[00:57:33] Racially discriminatory practices in healthcare.
[01:04:25] Forgotten skills and cultural dynamics.
[01:06:12] Connection to Earth through meditation.
[01:10:26] Ecological grief.
[01:14:18] The lost ecstasy experience.
[01:20:28] The source of artistic inspiration.
[01:25:17] Human connection through traditions.
[01:26:53] The power of singing together.
[01:30:53] Nature observation in rainforest.
[01:34:41] The importance of boredom.
[01:39:22] Making music in nature.
[01:42:20] Greeting nature in new places.
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Thank you thank you for this conversation.
What a perfect guest to interview on Earth Day. Thank you. I've been following Derrick Jensen for years. Loved this conversation. On the point raised at 1:26:00 and onward about large groups of humans singing together at rock concerts - what kind of energy can it invite? The closest thing to a mass religious/spiritual experience I've had has been singing "Hey Jude" with several thousand other people and Paul McCartney at one of his concerts.
Thank you so much for this
Thanks for a great episode..
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That was lovely. If it helps I did some weeding in my garden in the south of France, played with the semi tame feral cats and kittens that we feed and look after, I sowed beetroot and carrot seeds, plants lettuces, tomatoes and zucchini whilst listening to this.
Derrick Jensen is one of my favorite human beings 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Derrick Jensen is one of the most insightful people I ever had the pleasure of interviewing. It's good to see him on your podcast.
Thank you for this conversation 🤗 I hope you’re aware of Oxalates in so called ‘Superfoods’ turmeric ,cocoa chia ,spinach, beets and high deuterium in coconut water.
And waxing the moon is 🙏
Lovely episode 🙏💚 thank. You
45:45 In German we say "eine Machine bedienen" meaning to "to serve a machine" for operating it
Degrowth environmentalism is the epitome of luxury beliefs. If you feel disconnected from nature, you can just go move out in nature. If you choose not to (because it's extremely inconvenient and impoverishing and even dangerous), then you have your answer about how important nature actually is to you when push comes to shove. I love nature and chose to live in a rural area for that reason. But I also made sure there was a grocery store within driving distance. Untouched nature is a nice place to visit, but not to live. People forget that evolution only selects for mere survival to reproduction - not comfort, or happiness, or longevity or any of the things we value. It does not in any way mean that we are optimized to live in brute nature. It just means that we are adapted enough to survive it if we must.
Environmentalists have valid criticisms of certain practices like pollution, overfishing, etc. but we're all aware of these problems. The question is what do you want me to do about it. When certain environmentalists' only proposed solution is "Wellll, we could go back to being poor and maimed and dead, and have our children eaten by grizzly bears on the regular..." and then act like unappreciated geniuses when nobody listens to them, I have to imagine that this is just a vanity / identity belief for them deep down. They're not serious. The only worthwhile environmentalist are the pro-humanity environmentalists like Patrick Moore.
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Nature is as important as breathing, and wherever you live it is equally important…as without a functioning natural environment none of us would exist long… what about equilibrium. I feel that the mindset of keeping equilibrium, growth to the point of what the environment can handle, degrowth of those industries that are especially damaging, growth of those that are functional without destroying the basis of all our lives…