Bright Green Lies- Interview with Derrick Jensen
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- In his latest book "Bright Green Lies" he wrote with Max Wilbert and Keith Lierre, the brilliant Derrick Jensen dismantles the illusion of 'green' technology in breathtaking, comprehensive detail. He reveals a fantasy that must perish if there is to be any hope of preserving what remains of life on Earth. In this interview we speak to this as well as exploring his perspective on facing the grief inherent in his deep love of the natural world.
" I could turn and live with the animals " Walt Witman
Thank you for this Derrick .
At 53 my heart is broken , my mind is overwhelmed but my spirit sits in the two acres I protect and don't mow and the wild plants that have moved in talk to me in my dreams .
I have a huge respect for Derrick. He has genuine passion, compassion and a great mind.
...I too experienced subdivision build up as a child around my magical island of Maui in the 60's and 70's...my rage and intuition told me to put sand in the fuel tanks of the earth movers...so I...did...
Love Derrick Jensen's work. Such clear thinking, really challenged my understanding of what "we" are aiming for. Depressing, arresting and alienating though, as these truths are so far removed from the dominant culture I swim in. Excellent interview.
Wonderful interview. You got the best out of Derrick. He is one philosopher who can go on until the end of time haha. He is truly a sane voice in insane times.
Thank you.
Thank you Derrick, good interview, kitty included!
kitty shared the stage :-)
Kitty stole the show
Thank you for this very informative conversation. Understanding is such a plus in this divided, and confusing world.
I want to thank you Derrick for opening my mind!
Update from a fellow traveler: we are being buffered from 20 X 10 to the 16th BUT's PER DAY by the 2,000,000,000 TONS of just Polar ice melting into water, and the ice is 80 times more heat absorbing than water. The geoscientists tell us that ALL of the ice, including permafrost, will be gone by 2,100, if we continue to roll out another 300,000 net new humans per day and burn heat generating fossil fuels. Thank you, Derrick, for all of your courageous work on behalf of humanity and the biosphere.
Ha, Ha, I meant "BTUs", not "BUTs", so it's an enormous amount of heat energy, as we can actually see in the enormous amount of melting ice worldwide. Another article just today on the loss of glaciers in Switzerland, 10% in just 2 yrs, so all gone in 9 more yrs.? Europe is burning-up and what will it be like when all the glaciers are gone? The problem of "grief" is that all too many of us run from it and refuse to see/accept climate collapse, to avoid the pain of grief. In fact, our culture is based on running from grief, thus devoted to avoidance of the truth: too many humans are using too many natural resources and producing too much pollution.
What a creative, inspirational intellect and teacher;I am glad that Derrick Jensen is on my side of the barricades." You can't have infinite growth on a finite planet."
Continue to bring him on thanks to all the costly effort You have made to get the undeniable reality of environmental chaos and inevitable catastrophe into the public domain; more importantly making available information and useful knowledge that can enable ordinary mortals to still live a useful and sustainable lifestyle within the diminishing natural limits; that sounds so wordy, but you get where I'm coming from.
thank you for this important voice
Thank you Derrick.
I just subscribed to your channel. We may not be able to alter our destiny but we should at least be aware of what’s happening to us and our world
I am 100% with you Derek
Glorious interviews! 😌
Very interesting both, thank you.
Wonderful conversation - thank you both! Big Love xx
13:29 cat
Super good interview! Thanks
I had the honor and privilege of studying under the late, great, Dr. Richard Vogl at Cal State, LA, in my early years. He was a fire ecologist and a fiery ecologist at that! His lectures were sermons on civilized humanity's hubris and folly. At the time, we were debating nuclear power in California and I'll never forget his comments that went something like this. "Well, you've got your 'clean, limitless' energy now. So, what? What are you going to do with it? Now you've got electric bulldozers and you're still FAROOKING the environment and not learning a damn thing!" I think Derrick would've liked him. He had a thing about Smokey the Bear propaganda too and a collection of shot-up Smokey the Bear signs in his office. He passed in the first part of the millennium and all I can say is, he's not missing a thing although we are missing him.
A huge part of the problem is the dearth of education on everything from physics and Earth sciences, to economics. The average person doesn't even know what electricity is, much less how it's generated. 99 people out of 100 don't even comprehend how an internal combustion engine works. I had an environmentalist tell me what a straight face that he thought he would still be able to drive his Toyota pickup truck after the oil ran out by converting it to steam power. It's really quite astounding how little people know about the technology that surrounds them.
Bravo et merci beaucoup pour votre excellent travail bravo !
17:15 great point
The general consensus is that it's better to maintain modern industrial society as long as possible at any cost, future generations and the natural world be damned. While a voluntary, organized downsizing would be preferable, it's not even considered as an option.
The general concensus is that nature is the enemy
It’s addiction pure and simple. Addict won’t give up his substance.
Knocking down perfectly good buildings to suit the desires of developers is an example of unnecessary waste.
A well built multi room brick hospital in an Australian town was destroyed for a supermarket. I suspect the beautiful bricks went to landfill.
The brickie who helped build it stood there almost weeping.
Accommodation is still tight in the town and it would have been ideal for this when the hospital moved to purpose built premises,
So much Australian habitat at is being destroyed to cater to high immigration and for farm and resource development to meet the requirements of an overpopulated world.
But please don't fall in to the trap of blaming immigrants for the problems. Most people who become immigrants do so because of economic hardship or because of conflict and war. These problems are massively exacerbated by capitalism which produces huge wealth inequalities across the globe. Also, western arms manufacturers and governments are more than happy to promote or perpetuate conflicts because this allows them to sell weapons or more easily exploit the natural resources of war torn regions. Why do you imagine that the DNC has been so riven by conflict for many decades. Coltan, diamonds, cobalt and other rare earth metals and valuable minerals are part of the answer.
Watching this again two years later, and I see I'm chiming in to make the same point, slightly modified.
"How else are the Marxists going to get the energy they need to run their brick factor?"
I just finished reading Marxism and Native Americans by Ward Churchill, who I think was an author's name I heard Derrick drop. Still think Derrick is the best tho
18:00 78% of energy consumption in AU is for industry.
can you dive into the lies regarding wireless smart meters and the smart grid and 5G?
lol
Not only is solar and wind not a solution, why does he not mention that the manufacture of solar panels, wind turbines etc are heavily reliant on fossil fuels? And they are not renewable (only replaceable) and don’t last very long.
I think Derrick well understands the 'embedded' energy costs of so-called 'renewables'.
He goes into that deeply in the book ... And more... The book is huge there is no way he could say everything in one hour
What about Beavers dambing a river
I have the greenest thumb I know, twenty years in horticulture, four years in studying all of the various reforestation methods while putting them into small scale practice in a struggling SoCal river forest critical habitat run dry. And another two years exploring regenerative agriculture and Agroforestry practices in preparation for my own land as the river property was taken from my care.
All I want in this life anymore is to put my skills, talent and all I’ve learned to work rebuilding ecosystems. To serve life because I feel a moral obligation to do so.
And an imperative to do so now, and quickly. Such an imperative that I’ve ended my life in California and moved 1,200 miles north to a location I believe some life will survive.
But the land fell through and now I am stuck. Nobody with no money, refastening my chains to the capitalist treadmill, barely surviving.
Lost.
I feel the same moral imperative. All I want is somewhere safe to nurture life so that it will have more of a chance in the future.
You are far from alone. Find a new tribe and keep on keeping on doing whatever good work you can. We can all only do so much. Peace.
In my early 20's I would get incensed driving by new construction and the consequences to Nature. Acceptance and age has calmed me but that does not add up to a positive.
TEOTWAWKI
the end of the world as we know it
The unspoken bottom-line truism is this : the Earth is not ALL about Humans. We are just one species. Our human greed and arrogance is placing the entire biosphere in jeopardy because of the specious and self-serving religious belief that we are "the favorite of the gods".
The unspoken reality, the inescapable "elephant in the room" is this : THE EARTH IS NOT ALL ABOUT HUMANS! Not matter what the bible tells you.
I would say, "how are the industrialists going to to get the energy to run their brick factories?" Cause it's not just capitalists that want them
The unquestioned dogmatic belief in "Human Exceptionalism" will be the source of our ultimate demise. I can only hope that Gaia can "soldier-on" without us. We don't deserve this place.
Gaia will be just fine. S/he will rebalance her systems eventually following our demise.
Vegan anyone ?
Works for me I'm still happily fed and healthy and alive and enjoy my plant based foods
How about we include diet as top along with energy and building materials
Hello you. Interesting the way the subject of animal agriculture is very rarely mentioned bearing in mind that the world can stop bringing more animals into creation now and literally close the whole industry down - but they won't
Hey Derrick and community ...
Are you Vegan yet ??
Lierre Keith Derricks partner was vegan and writes books on the subject and interviews as she advocates regenerative farming for soil and human health.
Unbelievable how right Ted Kaczynski was.
We do have to give people living off the grid for putting the effort in not being heavily dependent on a corrupt system. I don't completely agree with Jensen. Many people don't drive cars as Jensen does.
"It's all about saving us"...typical narcissistic egoic response. If you really dig deep into the root cause of our demise...it is the human egos need for external validation and seeking self where it cannot be found...outside of one's Self. The severance of ego from Soul is the root cause. When an ego separates from Soul it is severed from Self, Nature, Earth, and others. Nature is Self. The animals, insects, trees, lakes, rivers...are all Self.
Too bad that this brilliant fellow does not address our massive human overpopulation/overconsumption (conjoined). A population of about 5M Hunter-Gatherers living in migratory clans lived in an ecologically balanced and sustainable lifeway for at least 300,000 yrs. Sedentary agriculture of high caloric grains destroyed that sustainable lifeway and gave rise to our urban/suburban insanity and alienation from the natural order. Massive human overpopulation is our demise and nature's. She will recover, we may not as a species.
Elon Musk and his absolutely stupid 'green' tech..
I have always respected Derrik's honest pessimism about climate collapse, but he is no "expert" on economics or the obvious true solution to our nightmare: CONTRACEPTION. We and our massive overpopulation is the sole cause of climate collapse. All the rest is just more hot air and BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. Stress R Us