KIA EV9: Why Their "AWARD WINNING" Electric Car is The Only One You SHOULDN'T BUY
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Today I'm doing a very rare thing - I'm telling you why this is a KIA I don't like. Generally I love the firm's products, but there's just a few reasons the EV9 doesn't sit well with me.
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I love that you spent this video treating this as a “car” rather than an “electric car” without the noise of all the positive or negative bias usually associated with them, depending on who you watch. Such a refreshing change from everyone else.
All he’s doing is avoiding telling us the truth about the category of product.
The underlying premise of all BEVs offered to the general public is a lie. Even if they reduced lifetime CO2 emissions, which they don’t,it would make no difference to planetary health, since CO2 has nothing to do with climate or more specifically temperature. There isn’t any uncertainty about this. The media and authorities lie about it all the time, but the basic scientists who aren’t in the pay of globalist organizations know perfectly well that natural fluctuations in mean surface temperature are the cause of change in atmospheric CO2. Not the other way around. Ever. It’s all a lie.
If you choose to ignore this, it’ll result over the next few years in permanent loss of liberty and probably worse.
If you’ve children or grandchildren, you don’t want to have to answer their questions about “What did you do during WW3?”
We are in WW3 & have been since early 2020. It’s the globalists vs the demos.
I have done separate videos on my feelings for EVs and the issues associated. When I review a car I want only to know if it's a good car
Because you want EVs to be considered the same as ICE.
Nope, because they're not.
@@JayEmmOnCars And the issues associated, no positives?
@@GDM22 ICE & EV both have positive and negative features. Only time will tell if this remains so. For sure, no one is making more crude oil but we make fresh new electric every second of every day.
And here ends, James's up till now, excellent relaitionship with Kia UK. We all apreciate your honesty though James!
It’s a dreadful car. James couldn’t say otherwise.
@@GT380man No its an awsome car actually, have you ever tried one? What didnt you like apart from the price?
@@TheSteinbitt I'm not a EV fan and would never spend this amount of money on something like this, but I think this would be a lot better than something like a new Defender.
@@TheSteinbitt it depends how you define "awesome". It looks pretty cool and can lug a lot of people around, but the massive depreciation will be an issue and being almost 3 tonnes it's not going to be a nice drive. So yeah, as a really expensive way to carry your family around it's good, but is it really "awesome"?
@@technicalscience yes, it’s very cool to drive, try it yourself. Also, it gets about 80 mpg equivalent, so it’s more efficient than a Prius.
For a vehicle that will spend 95% of its life stationary, and 4% of its life with a single occupant, that's one hell of a waste of the world's limited resources!
Perfect summary
@@tkmaxism Perfect summary for enthusiast cars too. :-)
Like any EV, it could be used as a battery for your home. Technically this is already possible. This means that EVs can be used much more than any other combustion car
@mambablack1786 it's sad you actually believe this as if cars and homes are made in the same place...you can't get a mac and Windows to work together how are you going to get 1970s pebbledash cottage to work with a kia...how? Just plug it in neh
The current crop of EVs is what happens when you allow companies to do whatever they want.
And subsidise relatively wealthy people to buy expensive cars.
This is all for the benefit of the car manufacturers.
I feel like a broken record. Too big, too expensive, nowhere near efficient enough, and a huge financial risk. So, no thank you.
That's been cars for the past 2-3 years now. Bigger isn't better, it just isn't.
100%
Sounds like you're describing a Range Rover.
@@MrAndinho1Yep, those too.
But it's the future, it's green, don't you care🙄🤷♂️🙄🤷♂️
It's massive! Can't wait for our local Soccer Moms to rock up outside our house at school drop off with their total inability to maneuver as they take a fifteen point turn like Austin Powers.
And wreck all the tarmac - tarmac around any school is shocking in England now with all the weighty 4x4s dropping off the tiny children.
@@JonathonKline Absolutely! Maybe the Soccer Moms have the right idea, early adopters. At this rate we will all need 4X4s as the roads are almost as bad as being off road!
What's 'soccer?'
What's a 'mom?'
Yeah, I don't get why he complains so much about how big it is when it's actually slightly narrower than a Range Rover Sport and it seems to get a pass.
Slags it off for half an hour then asks Kia if he can borrow another car... I admire his bare faced cheek ! 😊
Least you can't say he's biased
I see it as a test of professionalism, unlike some sensitive Italians from Maranello
Lol must be a British thing
Would you like him to lie and say he loves it instead?
Love it right in your face 😮😮😊😊😅😅😅😅😅😅
7 years James? Sounds like your warranty is about to expire 😂
I can’t stand the majority of these modern cars. Far too big, overstyled, wasteful of resources while pretending to be “eco” and full of stupid, intrusive technology that adds no real value.
This is a great example of the worst excesses of modern cars and well done James for being honest and pointing it out.
And I disagree. I will buy the Kia EV9
@@RichardJoashTan Enjoy!
We the car owners supposed to buy value when we are paying for these expensive items called cars, ... not filling pockets of some other people, corporation.
That is the direction we are heading towards... straigh on.. /then, faliment..
You just have to shake your head in bemusement at both the car itself and the people who decide this is £80k well spent!
There will be people going into a show room right now and walking past many of nice dealerships to get to the kia showroom to proudly drop 80k on this monstrosity. The mind boggles at some peoples decisions
@@BySixaa truly ridiculous and ugly monster of a car charging it up good luck😊😊
They'll still be better off than people who buy Range Rovers.
@@MrAndinho1Why do you think Range Rover is in such a bad way?
1. Management is utterly stupid and are ignoring feedback from every direction that the brand is being destroyed and bankrupting the company or
2. It’s a deliberate strategy to bankrupt the company so as to *deprive the general public of privately owned powered transport.
(*in concert with almost every other bulk car manufacturer).
@@GT380man Are you serious? Mini cooper is the only british brand that doesn't break in under 5 years. Maintenance is insane. Even then the mini isn't even reliable. Surprised people in UK think this car is big and expensive.. what world are you guys living in in 2024 lmao
A great first attempt by the designer's guide dog.
That ridiculous thing will lose 50% of its value in the first year. You would have to be utterly insane to buy one privately
If you care at all about your car losing value, you shouldn't be buying a new car in the first place. Buy used instead.
@@lukew6725You’re right. It’s much worse however with BEVs. A little research told me that almost all BEVs in U.K. are now being sold at a huge discount to list price & those that aren’t are business purchases due to tax write offs.
That means even if you could find a buyer, you’d lose over 50% of its new price in the first year. I think it’s possible you could not find a buyer at all once it’s out of warranty. No car dealer will accept it at any price. Private buyers aren’t going to buy out of warranty BEVs and most independent garages are deeply suspicious of repairing them or even servicing them.
They’re such a significant dead end that you have to consider the possibility that it’s being done, not to force people out of ICE cars, but to bankrupt the entire bulk car manufacturing industry and deprive most people of private powered transportation.
'Lose'. FFS...
@@GT380mantotally on point, however, the EV lovers choose to ignore the reality and focus on registration figures as the only indication to their false success.
Nobody "buys" a new £80k car privately! Lease, PCP, Contract Hire etc or businesses that want to offset against tax so deprecation isn't an issue.
It's market will be limited in the UK , pretty certain Kia already knows this so won't be expecting to sell thousands a year unlike Porsche with the Taycan.
Brave honest review !! I wish more RUclips channels were like yours ❤
I saw one in Harrogate 3 months ago. I didn't know what it was at the time and I guessed it was an EV. I am appalled at the sheer bulk and weight of this monstrosity and if the government and the climate industrial complex thinks this is more 'green' than my Honda Civic, then I have a bridge to sell them.
They don’t think it’s green and furthermore they don’t care what you think (or what any of us think).
@@GT380man EV's are great for being a little runaround in major conurbations for short journeys in built up areas. But if you live in a rural area or need a large family car, then you end up with lorries like this.
Governments create broken incentives and companies exploit them in bad faith.
The climate has nothing to do with this monstrosity.
Don’t tell me it’s in Sydney harbour…
The climate industrial complex 🤣🤣🤣 Yeah, it's all Big Wind's fault.
This kind of car should be Taxed at a much higher rate. Its weight and size means it takes up more public space, more likely to damage to road and cause potholes and if it hits a child or anyone then it's going to cost the NHS a lot more to fix them.
I think tax should be £1000 a month for it.
Absolutely correct. Whenever our local roads have to be resurfaced it is due to damage by LGV's, usually at junctions where they damage the surface when drawing a trailer from rest; I drove LGV's for years and it was always the same places that got damaged. If they sell a lot more of these lumps weighing 2 3/4 tonnes the damage will be a lot more frequent so the owners need to pay a LOT more towards repairs.
Take a look at the weight of an Audi Q7, they're over 2 metric tons too, even over 2.5 if you have a big engine and fully loaded.
@@PaulMansfield indeed. Shouldn't be just electric cars that get this tax any thing that is in this territory should be getting taxed heavily.
@@OverlandintheSun ev car tax exemption goes away next year.
Personally, I think it should be abolished and added to fuel taxes, it'd be less regressive.
Good luck parking that in town on a Saturday afternoon.
I park mine all over town every day, it's awesome!
75k for a KIA is a sign of things have gone absolutely insane.
🤣
If you told me a few years ago that there would be a 75k kia, I'd have thought that they maybe released a super sports focused version of the stinger, or tried to be like genesis (though it wouldn't happen because kia and hyundai are the same company) with a luxury range, not a great big hulking inefficient SUV that depreciates like a stone, car manufacturers need to wake up sharpish that they can't just put out trash and hope people buy it with such an expense, finance not even being cheap anymore (never mind everything else that has gone up) and it just being such poor value for money
a sign
he looks like hes doing hand signals
Over 100 k in Australia ! Kia taking the piss
@@mixalis6168 wow
Surely the car of year award should be for a car that most people would want and could afford to buy?
No, a car of the year is the best car made that year. It could go to a Ferrari if that happens to be the best car, regardless of how affordable it is. There are plenty of "best affordable car of the year" awards too.
@@gambitingIt’s an industry award. They don’t care what we think.
I saw one of these in a Tesco car park, over filled the parking space. It just looks inconveniently large to live with in the UK.
I'm convinced it'd be a hassle and a half to live with here in Western Europe as well. Really, I think it can only get away with its sheer size in parts of the USA, since I struggle to think of any territory where this wouldn't be an outright dimensional inconvenience.
which is why virtue signallers (alone) will get one
This isn't very large in the USA lol. Mid size.
3-row SUV and Tesco are two things that probably don't go well together.
WOW! minimum 2.7 tonnes! Bloody hell. That paint is £1,750 extra! Makes my Discovery 3 look small! A 2022 EV6 GT-Line with 16K miles is £30K down from £50K when new. That's 20 months old.
In fairness, it probably would take £1750 worth of paint to cover that acreage
@@maxhammick948 But not £1,750 extra!
Peak vulgarity.
Pretty much all new cars lose ≈50% of their value over two years, and (brief COVID supply chain weirdness blip aside) have done for decades.
@@AlastairMawWait, are you saying that the falling off a cliff in valuations isn’t markedly worse for BEVs?
I quite like KIA, I own a KIA, but that eyesore is absolutely hideous!
So? Should they designed it with lots of curves so people like you can compare it to jelly beans and eggs like the MercBenz EQS?
I am exactly the opposite of what you said.
I think it's gorgeous, just wish it had an engine
Cd of a brick, but saving the planet 😂
I have a EV9…and I love it! Kan you name any other car for a family of seven (that actually fits seven people)? And I have no problem parking it since it’s about the same size as many other larger cars…like BMW X5, BMW i5, BMWix, Volvo V/S90, Tesla model S and many, many other cars
I own a Volvo XC90 and I was interested in the EV9 after taking a look at one at an EV car show. After release, I tested one for just over 2 weeks and I loved it. Drove as well as any other heavy SUV, I mean, it isn't like driving a Porsche Carrera or an Audi RS4 but it is fine, it is comfortable and that is all I need from a family SUV. I do think the EV9 could probably have benefitted from air ride though.
The best thing about the EV9, is that it is amazingly spacious and I managed to fit 6 adults in it with no problems at all, everyone was happy.
Now, the only reason I didn't purchase one, is because of what I have seen with sharp depreciation for all EVs. This wasn't the case until last year, when you started seeing 2 year old Taycans at almost half price, used Teslas stacking up in lots and now, with solid state and hydrogen cell, the resale value of current EVs could plummet further.
So, I am considering leasing an EV9 instead of buying one.
You've spent 70 grand on a kia which will be worth 25k in 3 years when the PCP expires, enjoy
@@96MasterOfPuppets96All EV owners will experience that. For this commenter's sake, I hope that is not the case. I have my fingers crossed that Kia find a relatively cheap way to retrofit SSBs into their current EV models.
All buyers of german ”premiumcars” will also experience depreciation but from higher prices. But I don’t care, buying a new car rarely means a good deal. My point is that there was some complaining about the EV 9 enormous size. So I did some amateur research and found out that many other common cars are just as big but for some reason the EV9 take the blame.
@@martinliden8453 Fair point. I remember when I saw the EV9 in the flesh, I wondered what all the reviewers were talking about. The EV9 is far from the tallest SUV, it is also not the longest or the widest. They made it sound like it was the biggest car they have ever been in which means, they have never reviewed a large SUV, or for some reason, they have been compelled to make that claim. 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
Hello, I just wanted to let you know how much I really appreciate your reviews. I know the States versions of cars are different, but you're so thorough that I would rather listen to you first. Considering this car and it's the most informative I've found for a guy with a full family who wants to hear things easy to understand. Thanks again!
Refreshing to see an objective and honest review well done!
I drive an mx5. Would it fit in the boot ?
It would fit in the glove box !
Almost looks like it would.
In 2/3 years this be under 30k
I wouldn't bet on it. RAC rate depreciation at 60 out of 100 for the Stinger. Same as the BMW 5 Series
@@SeanPensive I would, the Stinger isn't an £80k EV.
@@SeanPensive and a 10 year old 5 series is worth 30% of the new price
@BySixa About the same residual as a 10 year old Kia Sportage.
I'm not a Kia owner, but have driven them quite a bit. BMWs too. Badge snobbery is silly.
The BMW will cost much more to run and repair too.
Don't you mean 6 months😮😮
Quite how the high end vehicle market has moved from the elegant lines of the Jaguar XJ (X350) and BMW 7 Series (E38) to what I can only describe as a monstrosity in the EV9 I am not sure I can comprehend. Perhaps it'll grow on me.....or perhaps not.
the mind does wonder. Sure even the Urus now is the firms best selling car ever. It's sickening how poor taste rich people have
@@BySixaI swallow the pill that at least the Urus is able to bankroll the V12 models much like the Macan/Cayenne bankroll the more extreme GT models
@pokeboi5438 i completely agree.
It's a necessary pain.
The macan and cayenne saved porsche and for that I'll always be grateful. I just don't get the appeal
Great review!! Made me laugh at the end. I hope you got it back to the dealership with both wing mirrors!
2 things that stopped me wanting EV9 are the gigantic size and the price tag.
Makes me miss the Stinger even more.
It doesn't even look that big. About the size of a Sorrento, maybe slightly larger.
Would you buy anything else this size?
@@jamesengland7461 Personally, I wouldn't buy anything smaller. But I do carry a lot of stuff with me frequently.
It is considerably bigger than Sorento
@JayEmmOnCars Yea, Sorrento is smaller than I remembered. Still this is about an inch smaller than Pallisade/Telluride in all dimensions making, which are themselves smaller than their competitors - or an inch and a half larger than a GLE. Maybe this is just my American brain speaking, but its size still seems profoundly unremarkable.
I have had my EV9 since January and have done over 5000 miles already. It is a fantastic car and not just a fantastic EV.... I am currently getting over 300 miles range on my GT Line S 6 seat and I have had no problems on the Scottish country roads or in car parks with the size at all. I had a BMW iX before this and it beats it hands down for size and the build quality feels just as good. ... I appreciate that its not for everyone but I have 3 6 foot teenage boys and a dog and the EV9 swallows them up and they are all comfortable in any seat they choose. Compared to the other large SUV in the market with 6 or 7 seats the price is still competitive and on a lease I don't concern myself with the depreciation as the lease companies are taking that risk not me. 7 year bullet proof warranty from KIA and £77k price tag still beats the only alternative which is the Volvo EX90 (Still to make an appearance) which enters the market at the base level at around £99k. Good that Jamie is honest for himself but he is clearly not the target market for this car. Interesting that the number one brand traded against KIA EVs at the moment is Audi ... so that should tell us something about the target market and the quality of these products.
Des it make brum brum sounds, or do you make those yourself???🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡💩💩💩💩
@@malfunction8165 Would be a great car if only ICE.
How many evs will you go through in the next 15 years?
4,5,6...
Think man,think.
@@malfunction8165 Brum brum sounds are sometthing that came in with ICEs. At the time they were a necessary disadvantage of ICEs and people got used to them. Some people even got to like them. In a conurbation and near a main road they are extremely irritating, causing hearing loss, and driving people to distraction. Fortunately brum brum sounds are going the way of the dodo along with the ICEs that make them.
@@malfunction8165 how old are you
❤❤❤❤Great video and review
All the many sensors, motors and electronic features would be a nightmare to fix when the car gets 10 years old, however, it's very unlikely they'll need fixing because the battery will fail first .
It's impossible to find a new car without all these features now.
or it will be the start of a "diesel car" fire by then
Such a waste...i Don't see the point of these electric cars being developed with all this extra features . electric motors should be a trim level on most mid level vehicles
So many new cars, especially EV's, are throw-away vehicles.
@@wallycunningham5090 I'm sure all new cars are just throw away
And it was on the news about people wanting parking spaces to be bigger - stop buying such gigantic cars like this then. Can't wait to see one taking up 2 spaces
Parking spaces aren't really big enough for any car. Maybe OK for a smart car. I actually think all spaces should be like disabled spaces they just allow a space the width of a human to exit the vehicle. Normal spaces don't even have anything othere than the balance of the space left from your car plus the left over space from the car next to you.
like the teslas currently do in our retail park
Love the channel James - been binge watching a lot through some tough times, and it's such a delight to listen to witty, intelligent and thoughtful reviews - keep up the amazing work!
Thankyou
Great video James
The market for the EV9 is probably small. However, people that need or want 7 seats and this much space in an EV will love it. There’s no real competition in the EV market.
Those of us without 4 children and 2 large dogs don’t understand and have different priorities in a car. For those that do the EV9 is desirable. They’ll mainly be leased through business. On the used market they could hold value if demand outstrips supply in their niche market.
Seems like a car designed specifically for the US market. For Europe, you'd want a smaller one, but the EV6 isn't really a smaller version of this. They need a school-run sized car that's not as big as this, like an EV7 or something, but they don't make one. Yet.
Thanks for repeating exactly what Jay said in the video.
E-niro or Niro EV?
EV5. Coming this year.
What about the Kia soul EV
Those wheels look like the square wheels that Canadians have on their cars in South Park
Thanks for the honest review of the EV9. we went from a Grand Caravan to an Equinox. As much as I like the Equinox, I miss the versatility of the Caravan. It could carry an entire 10 foot by 12 foot plastic shed inside with the tailgate closed. The Equinox has a hard time carrying mom's sewing stuff (she's a quilter) and groceries. And EV9 would be a good size, but I think mom would get annoyed at all the beeping and having to hunt through menus for features. We've had the Equinox for six plus years, I hit a button. Mom went, "Since when could you do THAT?" Well, since you bought it.... 😅 Though with how electricity is in California, we'd probably be better off with a Sorento hybrid.
Beeping is not going to be avoidable because ADAS is everything to do with deep state control of our movements and are scheduled to be permanently switched on in a year or two.
The thing I most respect in this video is your integrity.
I didnt thnk Kia would ever do vulgar, but the EV9 seems to have nailed that brief.
In the UK many have bought Sorentos to tow Caravans. This monster won't do that.
Even if it can, how many of them hold a Category C licence?
@@saxon-mt5byA category C on your license used to be automatically added, it is called grandfather’s rights in the trade. The government lifted the requirement for folk to be tested for a Cat C entitlement during the Covid, as I remember. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think it is still being honoured.
@@MrAjjm65I believe you’re thinking of category BE (regular cars with larger trailers). C is for trucks and most other vehicles over 3500kg, bar buses (D). Everyone is now granted BE by passing a category B car test (I only got my licence last year, and they were mad enough to give me it) and iirc everyone who got their licences from 1997 onwards (i.e everyone who doesn’t have the grandfather’s rights to drive vehicles up to 8250kg) was retroactively given a category BE licence even if they’d never taken a towing test.
@@AlephInf I stand corrected, thank you!
Do we know what it can tow ? I know it is reduced on a lot of the EV cars. The regeneration would be great downhill though
James, I always look forward to the background music during the shots of you driving in the intro.
Thanks! I have grown quite attached to them myself
The only thing I like is the Plus + on the accelerator and Minus - on brake pedal.
Hated that
So, it weighs 2750kg, has 285 profile tyres! We have a massive problem with pots holes on UK roads! Is it just me or do we think the rise in numbers of electric cars isn’t helping with the road situation? This isn’t the only electric car with obesity issues, but maybe it’s time to base VED on weight. Yes I know the hydraulicing effect on roads with the amount of rain this winter does help, but what increases the hydraulic effect on roads?
I think the bigger problem is councils not being given the money they need to fix the roads. It isn't just new potholes appearing it is old ones going unfixed for years
Read "Fourth power law" - The road stress ratio of Lorry to car is 10,000 to 1.
So 10,000 average cars does as much damage as 1 Lorry does to the road. Considering there are 41 million cars on UK roads that means just 4100 lorries are needed for them to match the total wear on roads, so taxing by weight makes no sense because if you wanted it in a logical way HGV's would need to be taxed a crap ton of money to represent their damage to the road.
Laughable suggestion that makes no sense when you understand how much worse lorries are at damaging the roads than any regular car or large EV like this one
Hmmmmm🤔 I see a problem, with 7 seats and a payload of only 500kg (upto the GVM) for luggage and passengers!? Politely, how much is left after Jay gets in?
@@primafacie6442that's harsh he doesn't weigh 500kg
@@JayEmmOnCars That is a problem, though councils have been given money to do so, which they have used for other purposes, but they are *caused* by these type of vehicles on them, not by councils
I love the opening music, may I know what it is? Thanks!
Hi. How many miles did you cover in the car?? Xx
Its basically a minibus, about time they introduced a license category for these oversized 'cars'.
The licence covers us up to 3.5 tonne. And maybe 9 seats. What sort of licence are you asking for. A lot of people drive vans for work.
@@chrishart8548 A very expensive one, and not valid ever in Cornwall, Devon, Wales, Scotland! In fact confine 'em to Chelsea!
@@chrishart85488 seats.
@@Nickbaldeagle02 I did say maybe. I vaguely remember the transit mini bus with the 9 seats was outside of a car licence.
Clearly Kia want to sell the EV9 in America and not the UK.... just Google the price difference.... At least it is cheaper than a Range Rover. Shame the luxury fit and finish just isn't there.
My main problem is actually with EV9's charging. It charges SLOWER at a cell level than EV6. Despite consuming more. So it end up an hour or more slower over a day's driving. Longer stops between same length (if that) stints.
The speed warnings are not just specific to Kia James, it is all to do with that daft EU directive that got passed, where they want constant speed warnings in the car and the car to intervene if you don't take notice. I believe they were also told not to make it too easy to turn off (i.e. a button on the dash for on and off). I drove a brand new Porsche Cayenne the other day that was driving me round the bend with all the bleeps and bongs and just like you said, I found it more distracting trying to work out what it was bonging for! There was no problem with the previous flash up of the speed limit many cars already had (great on HUD and not distracting).
I'd rather have a Cadillac SRX thank you. Yes, it's petrol, yes, it's even bigger than the Kia; but it costs less and in my opinion is a far better car in every way.
With the price of charging now, I'm pretty sure the Cadillac would cost less to run too.
Good, honest review, as always.
Isn't electricity cheaper than gas everywhere on the planet now. I've gone from £405 diesel to £185 electric a month.
I sure like mine in the USA. It doesn't have all the warning beeps that you have in the UK and EU areas. An added plus is our roads are made for full size vehicles unlike the European and Asian roads.
Tesla might as well bring out that truck thing over here, it’s about as ridiculous 😊
I live in LA and love my GT Line.
This review felt somewhat different James! Made me laugh a few times so thanks!
The suspension sounds fairly similar to my Dads Kia Soul EV in that case. Fine on motorways and such, but over bumps in town its just a little jittery, especially in the back.
Remember f150 lightning ?
Old or new one🤔
@@klasseact6663 of course new one
Driver "assist" features are absolute cancer and I'd rather die then ever buy a car that has all this garbage!
I don't want my car to give me AIDS.
"Much ado about nothing".
Own EV9 GT-Line 6 seater since January 2024 in Finland with our "nice" winter. Did over 7000 km in 4,5 months.
When it was over -20 below zero, my consumption was 30 kWh/100 km, including pre-heating.
Now it is +16. My consumption is 19 kWh/100 km. That is for the 60/40 highway/city split.
Very smooth and nice ride. Nothing feels cheap about this car. I have over 30 years of driving experience and completed several driving academies in Finland (both, summer and winter). I know at least something about cars.
I came from the BMW and Volvo (latest) worlds. My first KIA. My first fully electric vehicle. ZERO complains so far.
Not saying it is perfect for everyone. But if you are looking for a 3 raw fully electric SUV... at least take it for test drive and decide for yourself.
Jay they are big. Really big. They could solve the housing problem we have in Australia. But if you have a large family, they this is the vehicle you need. It will give you reliability. Everything will work.
The dreaded obligatory Intelligent Speed Assistance (ISA) in EU is the bane of every driver :/ I'm very lucky that I just bought Kia Sportage from the last batch without that cursed thing. Every manufacturer's car sold in EU has this crap from 2024 onwards.Disabling this in a Toyota is a bit worse experience, because You have to stop and change settings buried in sub menu of sub menu on the dials, not the infotainment.
It’s all very well having fancy electric seat heating operated from the touchscreen (never mind for seven seats) but you won’t be able to switch it on as the miles per kWh will be already be dreadful due to the cold temperatures and the use of the seat heating will reduce the M/kWh even further.
I wonder if it will drop below 1 mile per kWh?
If you’re on a standard home EV tariff that gives 5-6 hours a night then it’ll take getting on for three nights to fully charge it.
I’m a long term EV driver (10 years+) and I’d take the bus before buying one of these. I’m not sure who Kia think is their target customer.
It’s such a good question that it’s forced me to think about it.
It’s aimed at no one, because no one is the market for cars any more.
A friend who eats, sleeps and loves powered vehicles of all kinds argues that vehicles like this are so far away from any users needs that one has to give house room to the notion that the objective of BEVs isn’t to winkle people out of their ICE cars but to bankrupt the bulk car manufacturers, so that perforce the general public will not own private, powered transport.
The heated seats make no noticeable difference in efficiency. Not sure what EV you drive... bunch of nonsense.
@@Cttechexpress Agreed, yeah I would say bs on the long term owner bit with his ignorance on the battery draw of heated seats or even the heat pump.
Actually, it can be more efficient to heat the seats than try and heat the entire cabin.
Enjoyable presentation. 😎☺️. You see these cars quite a bit on mainland Europe. 🤔
Your brilliant at reviewing :)
Looks like it's made from cardboard boxes by a bored child on a rainy day but scratch the surface and it would appear to be made from cast iron and lithium. Perhaps 7 seater cars should be limited to 70bhp,like a Mk2 transit with mini bus seats ? Of course I'm joking, but if one crashes into your mums pug 207 I'm sure most people can guess the sad ending.
It's a tank. Very dangerous to all us road users in much smaller vehicles.
No different to an Audi Q7 or a Range Rover. Or any other Giant SUV. Or a tesla model X
I just want to comment on James's excellent musical taste. ZZ Top, Got me under pressure. One of my favorites.
I had a picanto as a courtesy car when my MX5 was getting the rear bumper fixed (got rear ended).
No feeling in the steering whatsoever
That most modern cars now. I have a skoda enyaq the steering is really strange if you drive fast if you try and throw the car around you would probably crash. I have a 2011 Ford mondeo I drive and it feels like an mx5 after driving the EV working the noisy engine and the direct steering feels very engaging. I love the way the mondeo handles it does have the sports suspension on mine.
😂😂😂 the back seat test was brilliant! 🙌 I’ve asked Kia for one of these on loan… a father of four kids, I’m their target market right? 😬
Little wonder that some are now calling for owners/drivers of these sizeable and heavy vehicles to take a special driving test. One thinks of that SUV crash at a Wimbledon school where two pupils were killed.
You're just being silly.
@@jamesengland7461Why? This vehicle weighs twice as much as my 20 year old car.
@@jamesengland7461 Please note I am just reflecting what others are saying.
@@jamesengland7461 It's a tank. Would you be happy with one of those crashing into you or one of your family in their much smaller cars. Doubt it fella.
I like the variety of cars that James assesses. One question: is an HGV licence needed when the EV9 is fully loaded ?
No it won't be over 3.5t
@@chrishart8548 average family loaded up with a bit of luggage, you're easily pushing 3.2t.... That's scary!
No.
No. Back in my day you could drive up to 7.5t on a car licence.
@@Nickbaldeagle02 that all stopped after 1997
I've seen a few of these in my neighborhood (La Jolla) they do look sharp but bulky and unwieldly.
The Kia Telluride is about the same size but cost around 20k less.
The savings on a Toyota Highlander even more.
The cost of the EV9 and the perceived pump saving just doesn't add up
Cars and car design peaked in 2000s. Enough of this disposable garbage. Save a child miner, by an old volvo.
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The 1960s for me. E-type, Lambo Muira, Rover P6, XJ6, Silver Shadow, Jensen Interceptor...
Skoda Superb MK2 is what's on the top of my list.
Sounds like a g.b.c. viewer!
@@mossy1259HA!
Depreciation will be brutal. BEV sales are dropping like a rock in the EU, UK and USA at the moment. I bet this KIA EV9 at £80K will be £20K in only three years from now as a used buy. I don’t know what the Governments are going to do to force the public into buying BEVs. Their Net Zero goals will likely go after the public has a backlash.
I hope so, but I doubt it.
An “event” will be created that will make manifest that those running the world aren’t faintly interested in what the demos thinks.
I had a Kia EV6 my second electric car and hated it, not only did the gear selector not work properly, the tech was annoying, the either heater or radio control was another frustrating point. I stuck a sticker over the camera, that sorted the lane response out! as you had to go through 7 menus' to turn it off every time, the same with the internal alarm when you left the dogs in the car. It was to heavy didn't like slowing down, the tyres were scary in the cold weather. I found the seats uncomfortable and the range was 200 miles in the winter and never high than 260, found it impractical. Just got rid after less than 2 years lost money on it.
I've gone out and bought a 60k miles Skoda Yeti 2.0 4x4 after watching your review Jay (which I've had two in the past) as I couldn't fine a new car I liked enough; and its been a revelation going back to something that is practical relatively light so handles well for a tall riding Golf, easy to park and open the doors within the confines of space and no crap to distract you, just press a button. Dogs love it and you can tow with it.
Don't know where the car industry is going, I wonder how many people will look through the back catalogue of more analogue cars. All this tech that never works properly always being updated that infringes on your ability to drive. May be people should be taught to drive better and given the option of which of these systems they want to use. It's like smart motorways most of us could see they were dangerous and wasn't the solution. EV7?
What are you talking about, the tech you complain about relates to complying with European NCAP requirements, this is on all new cars. If you don't like it keep buying older cars, manufacturers won't have the discretion to include or not, or allow you to turn off because you don't like it. There won't be a back catalogue.
@@GDM22 Isn't that what I said, you sound angry?
Saw the EV9 on a visit to a Kia dealership recently while looking at the Sportage with my Wife searching for a motability car. Very impressive to look at but it is enormous. Can't imagine it selling well.
These behemoths should come via an extra VED levy to reflect the damage done to UK roads
pretty much exact same dimensions as a 5 series isn't it?
No. There's no such thing as pretty much exact. It's either exact or it's not. If it's not, it's exactly something else.
@@Nickbaldeagle02 thanks, glad you have taken the time to clear that up. The EV9 is 45mm (0.89%) shorter than the current 5 series and 80mm (4.04%) wider than the current 5 series.
@@27lacuna27 it's like this people that say "almost exactly". It gets right on my nerves.
@@Nickbaldeagle02it’s not improper to have degrees of ‘exactness’. You just have a very low tolerance for it.
Disarmingly honest. Thanks James. Keep up the good work. Oh and I loved your totally bemused look at the end.😂
A very good point I hadn't thought of. There's a limit to how fast a home charger can charge. And with bigger and bigger batteries the % increase will go will shrink in proportion
That is one obscene looking vehicle. On several levels.
The school run has now got even scarier.
James I think you had this mp4 sitting in a folder for a while or else spring is a little late in England this year ☘️🇮🇪
It says 13th February on the display screen
It appears to do what its meant to. My question for you, is there a big car {bus a you call it) that you do enloy/want to drive? Ive never found one. Some are better than others, but the nature of a 3 tonne 7 seat behemoth is they just aren't a drivers car.
The public charging network 1/10
No one in their right mind will pay near on £80k for a kia.
Put your snobbery away, for a car you mean.
@stepheng8779 not snobbery pal. I'm as working class as it gets which means I appreciate my money, and spend it carefully. 80k for a Korean motor is stupid. They were good value when they were simple technology. The EV6 was an abject failure straight off the forecourt. My Mrs was in the service dept when they released em. They were too clever for their own good. Ergo, 80k on a low rent tech fest is a terrible idea.
Thx for this as I was considering one. Think I’ll stick with my Tesla for now.
Some friends have an Audi Q7 and that gives me the same feeling, especially in central London, it's made me feel seriously uncomfortaable.
EV con is over
The real range is what the car can travel from 80% to 20% state of charge. Nobody will wait for reduced charging after 80%, nor want the stress of driving under 20%. Also, do some maths and see that this car’s running cost is the equivalent of 15mpg ICE.
The vast majority of these will be leased, so users won't care if they go outside the 80% to 20%. This means that the battery will be knackered at the end of the lease period, meaning that the car will probably be written-off. Madness!
Charge at home and running costs are about 2p per mile
@@SDK2006b the battery is too big to be charged at home fully over night. This is not a run-around-town car, but a long journey one - and public charging will be very expensive.
@@peterbratu - incorrect. My iX has a bigger battery than this and I can change from 0-100% at home overnight.
On Octopus Intelligent, you nearly always get more hours off-peak. In their app you select your battery charge limit and time of departure and the Octopus maps the charging time. I always get enough to reach my battery limit.
I'm not a huge fan of the EV9, but it's battery is two 400v units of the crmp platofrm- so the charge profile is completely flat all the way to 100%.
Kia's 'Canyonaro'?! Thanks J! 🙏🙏
Tbh I can see the platform making sense, just not in this guise. Remove some of the unnecessary bells and whistles, make it lower, put sensible wheels on it, and package it into a mini-van with a larger interior cabin and I can see it making sense as a true 7-seater family hauler. The sad truth is SUV styling is fundementally inefficient as far as packaging goes which damages the potental of the car. Alternatively I'm sure the platform could make an excellent 5+2 seater large estate car.
Not sure recommending any EV will age well.
KIA and their pricing (not to mention their styling) have REALLY lost the plot.
The 1 advantage it has is it ISN'T a Range Rover. Bar depreciation it won't be ruinous to run, it won't break down and it won't disappear off your drive in the middle of the night..
But I agree it's too big for the UK roads.
Well known iccu issues and this already has a tsb for it.
I wish you pointed out that the on-screen climate controls can get cut off by the steering wheel depending on your driving position.
Kia does weird stuff nowadays. This car will depreciate massively 5 years from now if not sooner.
It's ugly
Agree with the KIA safety systems comment! My other halfs Kia Stonic does my head in with it beeps and bongs, and the anti collision system is way over sensitive, car ahead slowing down to turn off, the Kia will decide to slam on its brakes if it thinks your not slowing down quick enough, has nearly caused a rear end shunt(for the Kia) at one point. I much prefer to drive my 13yr old Mazda MPS.
I have been driving an EV9 for a month now and around 3k miles.
Yes it’s too big for UK roads and carparks will test your driving skills to the limit. Yes the ADAS is a definite pain but once you set the favourites button on the steering wheel to navigate you to the ADAS settings you can quickly deactivate the bing bongs that upset you.
I agree that road feel is poor but I never bothered until you highlighted it. Most HUGE cars suffer here I think.
Slow to charge? Never noticed although I’m sure you are correct.
My main gripe is that while the car unlocks as you approach it doesn’t do the opposite and automatically lock as you walk away unless I’m missing a setting which I don’t think I am.
KIA’s own Sat Nav is over complicated (and boring) so Apple CarPlay is 100% essential and thankfully available after a recent over the air update.
Depreciation is a worry not just for EV9 but for all EV and will become less of a problem as the UK moves away from fossil fuels.
Meant to add that despite my comments I really like it. 😂
A calamity product, really only designed for the American market.
1) Who will buy it? Those needing the space, who have five odd kids, could almost never afford the minimum £65k or lease costs. Those that can afford it, will almost never need all those seats. So their market is for families with children called Tabitha, Tarquin and Sky.
2) TWO AND A HALF TONS and the rest!!!! Buying an EV, the major part is to reduce Co2 emission. Well that goes out the window with this brick.
3) 1.6 miles/kWh??? 2.3 miles/kWh on a longer run??? Again, a disaster for the planet. Most EVs are north of 4 miles/kWh.
4) So people charging at home on about 26p kWh costs £25 for a big charge. At 2.3 miles/kWh that makes it 225 miles range. So that is 11p per mile in electricity. Most EVs are in the 5p>8p per mile. Size is always a killer.
5) Try getting that hunk of junk through a old village. The driver will automatically turn off the radio, as they will always cause traffic jams and be featured on local traffic news.
6) Then add in all those "driver aids" that are actually "driver distractions". How long before these "aids" are banned and removed when people start to die from being distracted by this shite.
Yep, definitely perfect for the idiots that buy this stuff in America, but UK, should be banned or taxed to oblivion.
Are you saying Americans drive better and can afford more car than you?
@@jamesengland7461 No. Americans like bigger cars. Americans like the absurd trinkets and things that go bing. American roads are far wider and American carparks are far bigger, both in overall size and each space.
That P.O.S. would take up half a town and cause gridlock. That is why the Hummers never sold well across Europe. Probably not bad cars, but totally useless in European towns and cities.
@@jumpferjoy1st funny, the typical Ford Transit driver has no problem...
@@jamesengland7461 They do, thats the thing. I laugh every time I see a Ford Transit sized van in a Tesco carpark. Literally three millimetres space to open the door. So they generally take up two spaces whether they want to or not.