Identifying and trouble shooting Borg Warner T5 Five Speed Episode136 Autorestomod
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- Home page: www.autorestomo... Rate, ask questions, we are very good about responding! This week we visit Mustang Central in Byron Georgia to get the low down on Identifying the Ford Warner T5 five-speed. We also give you some tips on what to look for if you are interested in Buying a five-speed to use in your classic car. Allan and Jeff also discuss the excellent Modern Driveline rebuild kits, hydraulic clutch and the Quick Stik shifter that they offer.
Downright helpful video. I will add that there is (or was) an adapter available to mate the T5 to 200 ci 6 cylinder inline Stangs -- for those of us underpowered 4 luggers.
Should be noted that after a rebuild on these transmissions the bell housing should be checked for center with the crankshaft. And if it's not, even with a new clutch, the input shaft will drag on the pilot bushing/bearing not allowing proper shifts wearing out the blocker rings, synchronizers, and shift forks.
+Ed Spencer The run out should be held to .005" or less or .010" on the dial as you are reading the dia. not the radius. To correct for an offset, offset pins are available.
FYI, you can use an sn95 T-5 with a foxbody mustang bell housing, but you will have to buy a shorter input shaft and baring retainer. The gears are the same, so swapping out the input shaft is easy. I have an sn95 t-5 in my foxbody V8 for about a year with no problems.
Think we did a video on that. Thanks for writing in
Been using a 95 ford t5 behind my chevy 454 for the past year. Its been very reliable and im not easy on it.
Many times I think it is the driver not the transmission.
Neutral safety switch is for the cruise control, not for starting circuit. Wire the clutch pedal if you wish to have an interlock if the car is not equipped. In vintage Ford like the mustang, the four speeds had the red wire with a blue stripe is jumped at the firewall.
Wish I'd seen this before. Bought a bum of a T5. 1st & 5th gears were *missing*..... Live and learn.
Great stuff, enjoying the show.
Awesome video! Makes me want to go pull my T5 out from under the bench, and get going on it. Can't wait for the next video.
Go fast things in Oz seem to be generally a bit more expensive. Especially if it is US speed parts being sent to Australia. We got the box we're building in an incredibly lucky moment. The local Pull-A-Part dropped it right as Jeff walked up. $50 and a couple of hours later and it was his--Vinnie's--Gina's...you get the idea.
Good one Jeff. I decided to stick with an auto on my '66 so I can still enjoy it when I'm 80. :)
Classic Inlines offers a six cylinder T5 conversion. If you blow up the Dagenham (or as Jeff likes to call it the Dangitall) the five speed is an awesome choice.
85-93 Model T-5 have a 7.12" long input shaft, 94-04 SN95 input shaft is 7-7/8" long.
Cool I'm using an AOD as well. Will be looking forward to it.
My T-5 FROM McLeod 3rd. Whine LIKE AOC . & 5 WENT BYE BYE NO POWER SHIFTING. HAVE NOT DROP TRANS OUT OF VEH YET
right now i have a sn95 transmission on my fox i had to get a 1 inch spacer for it to work that goes between the bell housing and the transmission but im going tot get a new t5 and im a switch to the original foxbody style shorter shaft
We have an AOD we want to throw at the '69 Fairlane we're gathering info on the best way to do the install and soon we'll be popping it up on here.
Try ''gearbox video'' he already knows all this stiff you guys are trying to work out he's the best gear box man preiod, no one is a finer builder than him.
What about the sn95 6 cylinder T5, you all never talk about them!??
You can look on MDL website for the id model of T-5.
Sorry to hear that. But at least now you have some ammo if you go after another one!
My Camaro has a 3.4 v6 with the T-5, which shaft does that use? Thanks a million for sharing.
Nice one. Crystal clear info.
I m from panama. I have ford mustang gt 1987 with a 351 engine and the problem is: the 1 3 4 5 shif is ok, bit the 2 is a problem. I have to change 1 to 3 shift and give it hi rpm cause the 2 make a like crack or something.
Usually 2nd gear is an issue on these transmissions. The syncro ring is most likely worn out.
5/8" socket and z-spec input shaft isnt the same. Got it.
Dont discount the 99-04 t5 out of a 3.8l v6 mustang. they are rated at 300lbs/ft of tourque and are plenty strong.
Can these ones go into a ‘65 289 Mustang? This guy has one for $300 and I’m trying to research if it’s a good deal, if it’ll work and what I’ll need. Email me at lemus.adam@gmail.com THANK YOU!
Precise and concise overview of B-W's fabulous T-5 transmission. Wait, is this really a Auto Resto Mod video? Is Vinnie off on a black op again? Outstanding video. I eagerly anticipate your next two vids. Think I will start at vid one ad watch all your vids from the beginning. Have a great week.
This gear box was used also by ford sierra cosworths back in the '80s ????
Great Vid . I have a 1995 corvette 4+3 and I am thinking about putting one of these into it . I Know people think they are weak but I have seen mustangs with these with superchargers and other mods .They worked fine . I wonder If I just drove it WITHOUT hard holeshots and speed shifting if I could get it to last ? The car is a massive power horse with a whopping 230 HP!! The torque is a little higher than the trans is rated for but the motor It has 80K on it. Most of the miles will be hwy . It seems like it will fit with minimum work and I do like the performance shifters available too. I would be happy to get a year or 2 out of a T5 before I buy a TKO. What say you ?
I've thought about it and feel like you could run it. I've seen the same things, Mustangs running big power banging the T5...some blow some go...if you drive like you are saying go for it.
Does any know if the main shaft in a t5 world class is the same as a non world class
On my T5 Sierra Cosworth box the 5th gear won't go through the bearing. Do you recommend pushing the bearing into the box and splitting it? I've seen this done on you tube. I like your explanation 137 & 138 though.
I've been doing a lot of research on the T5, and this is by far the most informative. The only part I haven't learned yet is how much the transmission weighs without bell housing and fluid. Any idea?
Jeff says he is willing to get on the scales hefting the T-5 that was built for Gina's car (even with the post holiday weight) and let you know.
AutoRestoMod LOL. Now THAT I've got to see. Where's my camera?
Jim Closson Found the answer. Woo Hoo! T5 - 75 lbs. TKO 3550 - 105 lbs. TKO 500/600 - 105 lbs. T56 - 115 to 129 lbs.
Thank you for your upload and knowledge!
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My pleasure!
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Hello my 86 mustang gt t5 world class keeps poping out of 1st gear i done bearing and syncros to it and still same issue could it be the slider or the fork?
Most likely the syncros are going out.
The t5 In my 94 gt will go into all gears but will only drive in fourth gear. First, second, third, fifth, and reverse all make a spinning sound when I try to accelerate. Like the gears are spinning but the car is not going anywhere. Any ideas?
Upgrading a T-5 can be costly. Better to purchase a T-5z with a 2.95:1 gearset over a worn 3.35:1 first gearset is money better spent. There is a lower cluster billet steel support plate to better load and support the bearings in the case.
I have a 85 cj7 with a T5. Possibly looking to get rid of it. Dont know. How do I know if its World class? And if it is how durable would it be long term with 35's having 3.31 gears? Thanks
I have a sn95 transmission and I'm doing a conversion on a 1965 mustang 289. Will the T5 conversion cross member bolt up just fine? I didn't know if since it sits back a little ways if there's alignment issues with the cross member.
Depends on the year SN95. If the car is a 1994-95 then the info in the videos will outline the differences. Ford went to the 4.6 after 1995 and the transmission changed.
AutoRestoMod Car Restoration Modification it's a 1995 sn95
AutoRestoMod Car Restoration Modification I just didn't see anything in the video mentioning the cross member. If I have to trim the floor to fit the shifter then that's fine but I just want the cross member and drive shaft to bolt up with no issues.
Just got off the phone with Modern Driveline
My 1965 has a 6 bolt bell housing so a 5.0 fox body bell housing and starter will work if I have a smaller input shaft and bearing retainer installed. Also would need to do some trimming in the transmission tunnel and a maybe a little on the floorboard to fit the T5 in place. The guy from modern drive line also said that I will need a hurst style shifter and that I might need to grind on the cross member to get it to line up.
I'm going with a hydraulic clutch, 157 tooth flywheel. If I do stroke it out to 347 I'll need a different flywheel for when that happens. 18 tooth speedometer gear because of the tire size and gear ratio I plan on running. Just passing along the info in case somebody else watching is going through the same things.
I know this is an old video but I'll ask anyhow
I have a 67 C10 250 inline six anyone ok ok now if a 5 speed camero trans will bolt up to the six banger
Have this in an 85 jeep. Thought the throw out bearing was gone. Was making a knocking noise when in gear. Engage clutch and it quit. Dropped transmission and when you rotate shaft will turn to a point and stop. Can jiggle the shaft a little and it will continue to rotate until it gets back to that point again and stop. Sounds like something is hitting the bottom of the case. Any ideas whats wrong.
We're guessing that several of the bearings in the trans have gone, ummm, "missing". But you will have to do a tear dow to be sure.
great video. thanks guys
you dont begin addressing the title question until 4:00 min into it?
My 1990 S10 will shift from 1st to 5th without any problem until I try to down shift it it goes to neutral and will not go back into any gear can anybody tell me whats causing this issue thanx
Usually that is syncros. You will want to get a rebuild or a kit and build it yourself. Contact Modern Driveline and they can help you get a closer diagnosis: 208-453-9800
Never seen a blown first gear? Give it a few clutch kicks and you will
i have an 86 mustang with a t5 an all the gears work fine except 2nd it feels like neutral it drove home great(30min drive) i didn't have any noises or any other sounds still felt normal could that be the 1-2 shift fork pads
Tony Glover Without a tear down there is no way to know. But we're thinking you might find little bits of gear in the bottom of the case.
Gee a $1000 plus bucks to change out a T5 for a race box that's cheap! Wish I lived in the states. To rebuild here in Australia $3000 plus for a good box.
hey guys I have a 1992 gt and all my gears shift fine except when I'm trying to go into 5th gear. I have to let the RPMs go all the way down and then it will go into 5th. if I try with any RPMs it grinds do you think it is synchros or clutch adjustment? Thank you for your help I really enjoy your videos
Sounds like a synchro issue to us. Especially if the rest of the gears are operating effectively.
Is input shaft interchangeable from 1990 v8 T5 To 1995 v6 T5 so I can change to a v8 shaft on the 95 trans ?
so I can use OG bell housing on 1990 mustang
+Robert Sanchez You can but the 90-93 gearset is stronger. The V6 T-5 is a 85-89 V8 gearset with a lower torque rating.
hey guys first off great video.you guys are the s#@*!! keep it up! hey i have a 89 conv gt i added a steeda short throw bout 6 months ago.its always took a lil force to get in all gears but seemed strong when engaged.now its popping out of 1st and 3rd gear .3rd gear was first now it barely goes into 3rd at all.any suggestions? (t5 obvi) thanks so much
Bruce Wayne did you ever figure it out?
Where is the T5 V6 Buick gearbox????
Dunno? If your garage looks like ours we can understand why you can't find it.
AutoRestoMod Muscle Car Resto and Modifications I was just trying to find out. information to see what to look out for a V6 one. Any help much appreciated. 👍🏆
I just got a t5 and internals are good but hard to find gears and also put in gear the guy pulled it apart so so could the forks and stuff be all out of wack because someone didn't put it back together correctly?
Yes. We would take it all apart and go through it again.
AutoRestoMod Muscle Car Resto and Modifications thanks kinda figured you guys have a email so i can possibly send pictures of the internals and see what you guys think?
jford@autorestomod.com Send away!
AutoRestoMod Muscle Car Resto and Modifications I believe they sent guys thanks! Let me know what you think
We'll get on it tomorrow.
Question ;; I have a T5 from 95 mustang 3.8, ratio first gear 3.35 tag #1352 238 Could I make this work for 1990 mustang 5.0? if so what needed thanks
+Robert Sanchez You would have to change the input shaft and bearing retainer. 3.8L T-5 have the same gear set as a 85-89 5.0L Mustang, so it is limited in strength to about 300hp.
Any Recommendations on Best Oil?
+ISAAC HUERTA World Class T-5 use a Dextron III ATF oil. You will need to purchase 3 quarts. Non Class use Dextron II but its not available. Best to use 50 oil in it place. Dextron III is not recommend as it only about a 30 weight, too thin.
will the main shaft from a Ford t5 wc work in a 94 gm t5 wc?
Typically the GM output is a different spline than the Ford. Contact Modern Driveline (208-453-9800), they may be able to help on this.
can you convert a t5 from a ford to run on a chevy
Yes. You'll need a Different input and output shaft.
AutoRestoMod would i have to change the output shaft if i was going to run a ford rear end. and where can i get an imput shaft
John Munrow We'd recommend contacting Astro Performance: www.astroperformance.com/ They can get you all sorted on the parts and even help with the input/output shaft.
do u guys recommend a wc t5 on 79 chevy 350 no power shifting?loves from orlando fl
Depends on the driver and the horsepower/torque from the 350. If you go above the WC rating (300) you are asking for trouble. If you do a T5 get a good aftermarket shifter.
AutoRestoMod Muscle Car Resto and Modifications my side pipes stealing preety good hp away i should be around 270 hp on my vette .cant wait to convert it to manual from a camaro t5 thanks
will a sn95 bell housing fit the foxbody?
+Luis Saldana No. The SN95 bell housing is deeper and would place the shifter in a different spot. Also the SN95 T5 has a longer input shaft so it will only work with a SN95 bell housing.
+AutoRestoMod Muscle Car Resto and Modifications is it possible the swap a foxbody inputshaft into a sn95 trans
Yes. If you get a '95 and older GT or v6 trans, they can work with the fox bell housing. The '95 Cobra transmission used a different bearing and will not cross over. You will need to swap the input shaft, and either shorten the throw out bearing retainer sleeve that goes over the input shaft to the correct length, or purchase a Fox throwout bearing retainer. We'd recommend getting the steel throwout bearing retainer that Modern Driveline sells.
Broke 3rd gear in mine, lol,
How’d you do it I heard there known to do that in 3rd 😅
Ok I will disagree with they never break first gear I have a 86 with a broke first gear 2 thru 5 is perfect
LOL, well, there are exceptions to every rule...
@@AutoRestoMod trust me if it can't be broken I can find a way lol I let my brother drive it he was doing around a hundred and went from 4th to 1st I'm surprised that is the only gear that was damaged but I'm building it anyway I don't trust it
I know this is an old video but I'll ask anyhow
I have a 67 C10 250 inline six anyone ok ok now if a 5 speed camero trans will bolt up to the six banger
Call Modern Driveline 208-453-9800. They are a wealth of knowledge on this stuff.
I have a t5 in my 66 C10 inline 6
TheReptilianman I want a 5 speed but was gonna wait further along in the build also know where a couple are just not sure if I can justify the extra costs beyond replacement of the 3 speed