T5 Five Speed assembly Borg Warner Episode 138 Autorestomod
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Home page: www.autorestomo... Rate, ask questions, we are very good about responding! Since we took it apart it only seems fair to put it back together again. This week we reassemble the Borg Warner T5 five-speed. Allan gives more tips on what to look for when assembling a T5 Borg Warner five-speed to use in your classic car or Fox body Mustang. We do a complete assembly of the transmission from case to main shaft assembly.
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Very helpful. I bought a used T5 WC from a '94 Mustang GT, and was able to rebuild it after watching these videos. I actually had the laptop near the workbench during assembly. I watched one step of assembly, paused the video, completed that step, and went to the next on the video. I went back and watched portions of the disassembly and assembly multiple times during the project. I'd never seen the inside of a transmission in my life, but I think the rebuild is a success.
Glad it worked out for you. We're looking at getting with Allan to do a DVD on rebuilding the T5.
This was a great series of videos. Nicely done!
Guy's you T5 Trans video was very well done but like most Video's and mag asm procedures I think you left some of the most important info out. You did't mention anything about setting the end play of either shafts.
I am gathering parts for a T5 swap from a factory 3 speed in my 69 Cougar 351W. This series of vids helped me a bunch!!! Thanks. I have a better idea what I am working with and if the guy that "rebuilt" the T5 actually did or just polished and painted it. Thanks again
Wolfeman, we'll be doing a complete swap on the '65 Mustang later this spring or early summer.
I DID IT WORKS OUT GREAT! NO NEED TO FOOL WITH SPACERS BETWEEN THE TRANS & BELL HOUSING YOU DO HAVE TO USE THE BRASS SYNCRO.
CUT 1/2 INCH OFF THE TIP OF THE INPUT SHAFT. USE A 10 SPLINE 10.5 IN GM DISC. STOVEBOLT FORUM HAS GREAT INFO ON THIS. THANKS FOR YOU REPLY!
This was an excellent video set to show it is doable with enough information and the right rebuild kit. It gives those of use fearful of transmission rebuilds renewed hope. But what would be better? A CD/DVD of the hours long build -- sold somewhere, as that information and illustration is worth paying for. Unlike Minion.
We were going to say yes to the T5 up until you said big block. Any time you get into more serious numbers start looking at a TK600 or T45. We'd check with Modern Driveline to see what they are doing in the Mopar arena. The guys over there are super sharp and if they can't help, they can get you to someone who can.
Oddly Allan and Jeff were talking about that very thing; we are planning a shoot to add to what we have here that goes into all of it, from cluster gear to top cover. We will say (though the minion should not see this) that the Minion is who runs the jib crane and gets all the awesome shots. So we don't feel like we pay him enough. =)
Sure, some of what we do here are skits, but most of the time there is no "acting"; things happen and we film it or the skit comes from actual events that we use to build a skit. We like to have fun and want to present that this hobby can BE fun while doing work on the cars.
You didn't show how to reinstall the ball and spring on the shift lever !!
Beny French Sorry Beny, we wanted to hit the more difficult parts of a T5. We are looking at doing a complete video with all the steps in the future and making that available for sale on our web site.
+AutoRestoMod Muscle Car Resto and Modifications We recommend apply a little grease on the detent plate place ball in the center detent plate. Place the spring in the offset block. As you slide the tailshaft housing on place the offset block above the ball and press down and slide the block over the shift rail while sliding the tailshaft housing on.
Thank you for the responses
Thanks!
So would it be possible to add the 5th gear to a t4 4 speed?
real disappointed about input shaft play. This was not mentioned. Thanx guys.
Does the main shaft race at 12:41 need to be pressed in or any sealant on it to hold it into place? Mine seems to seat but as soon as i pull on the output shaft it pops out. Thanks for any help you can provide!
I have 63 f100 yblock and just got a t5 ,tag from 1997 c10 . And thing I should do to trans?
Thanks for the reply. Most won't take the time to reply. I do enjoy your videos.
You are welcome. And thank you for watching!
Love your video, but you forgot to show the thick thrust washer that goes under the spiral snap ring..
That hair piece though!
Lots of money went into that hair piece, glad you like it!
But how do we move the gears to get them in neutral is the real question
Video is great, except tail section installation is missing.
We wanted to cover a "typical" rebuild, we have plans to produce a video series on the complete rebuild process down the road.
So I noticed the little hole for the detent ball in the 1-2 synchronizer, but I didn’t see you put it in when you put the 1-2 slider on. Do you need it? Great videos. Very helpful
It was, but we didn't catch it on film.
Good video but two things. 1) I would never put a transmission together dry like you did. You never lubricated not even one part or bearing. 2) You never removed the counter shaft. Even if the end play was OK and the bearings felt OK those bearings could be bad and only show up under load. I would never take the chance of all that time and money rebuilding a transmission and not replace the counter shaft bearings. I know you said it was a lot of work to remove it but it would be more work to redo the job if they fail shortly after installing the transmission.
To each his own. I can see your point though.
Man.wish it was 8 yrs ago..finally got a mint 91 mustang lx 4cyl that I want to go 5.0 with..it has the 4 cyl now only 39k mi & provable !!!..and auto trans.just found a t5 with bad 3rd gear...going to use you build as my model.are these pics still good ???
Yep.
Thanks for the video, it's helped a lot. The T5(non WC) in my 82 Jeep J10 has lost 5th gear. I have somehow chewed up the C clip on the top shaft that makes 5th gear possible. I understand that the T5's had this tendency, My question is how do I prevent re-occurrence. Thanks for your time.
Not trying to dodge the question, but we recommend you pop you over to Modern Driveline 208-453-9800. They are the go to guys on that T5. Be sure to let them know that we sent you there.
at 8:48 he fails to mention the thick thrust washer that goes between the second gear synchronizer assembly and the spring lock.if u dont put this in your gonna have some issues.
+scoop4fiddy
This is true. We have a complete Tremec T-5 repair manual you can download for free at moderndriveline.com/Repair_Rebuild_Services.htm
You can put all those gears on no press needed? That would be great
Yup.
how do you know how far to pound down the hub on the main shaft?
What happened to the assembly of the shifter?!?!??? You left out a major piece of the puzzle!
That would be a separate video. Which we didn't do.
@@AutoRestoMod 🦊I got my tail section mounted and realized....wait, that shifter won't fit in there now. Other than that, great video!
have you guys ever installed the astro gear set?
I have a 87 T5 in Ac Cobra replica. T5 was originally from a mustang. What Oil would you recommend?
Ian Tempany According to Modern Driveline (208-453-9800 www.moderndriveline.com) Only use Automatic Transmission Fluid synthetic or non synthetic. We're assuming that MD is referring to Mercon or Dextron and not Type-F. But if in doubt, call them and ask. Tell them you saw it on Autorestomod.
+AutoRestoMod Muscle Car Resto and Modifications
We recommend Dextron III ATF, you will need to purchase 3 quarts.
please stop trying to force music into the video lol. we're trying to listen to the man talking :P thanks for the vid!
Around 14:00 the music is not supposed to be there. We didn't discover it until after we had the video up. The music typically does not interfere with the talking points. We will at times bleed the music in under the voices, but usually (except at 14:00) if there is music, there is no talking.
I didn't mean to sound picky, it's just that I'm trying to soak up every ounce of information I could get from this video since it's so incredibly informative, and the music was distracting. awesome work, I can't thank you enough :) I'm about to try rebuilding my 94' GT's T5, and it just hit the spot. thanks!
Jeycihn No worries! Thanks for the input. We're happy that you are watching and hope that your transmission comes out great! We just wanted to explain that we don't usually put music under the important talking points. If there is music, we run it under places where we are "speeding along" things that take up time and no one is talking.
Having trouble assembling the 3-4 hub, is the trick to set the center hub on a syncro ring then install the clip put ring in flip it over the install the second ring, and does the ring just go against the bottom of the Paul's? Thanks, excellent video
Hey Dave, The guy that could answer that (Allan) is not available to to it right now. I'd recommend calling Modern Driveline and chatting with them. Tell them you watched the video and have questions.
AutoRestoMod Car Restoration Modification Thank you, will do
Great video! I'm watching it over and over as I do my first rebuild. I bought the BK149WS rebuild kit for my 1990 Mustang's T5. The blocker rings have a black inner liner that makes the inner diameter too small for the cone liner to fit into. The old blocker rings that came out don't have that liner. Am I missing something? Do I force the cone in there?
+Kelley D
No you are not missing something, you have to use the 1/2 blocker rings as a set, Tremec has changed the angle of the cone in the last several years. You can not inner mix the parts.
Have a t5. 14 spline...1inch...how do i know its a ford or gm? Its on my hot rod with an lt1 1993 engine
+Q8 Fly Check the tag. If the tag is missing it is harder to tell. Remember that these transmissions were used in a LOT of cars. Below are a couple of charts that might help.
www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/T5Identifier.gif
www.flatheadv8.org/t5.jpg
www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/attachments/5-0l-tech/106380d1280816368-t5-wc-nwc-identification-untitled.jpg
What rebuild kit do you recommend?
Thanks, Buck.
buckeyduck Get the one from Modern Driveline.
Is this a world class?
Yes.
I ran my 1991 5.0 T5 a quart low and filled it back to normal. Now it seems to have a slight vibration in overdrive when it's on a load. It does not make that sound when I shift to 4th gear at same speed. Sync's are burned out?
Might be more of a bearing issue. We'd contact Modern Driveline 208-453-9800 and quiz them, they have all the stuff to redo the trans as well as a mighty wealth of knowledge.
One other question: Why did you want to replace the bearing retainer cap? Should this always be done?
We'd recommend it if it is messed up, or an aluminum. You want the steel retainer.
AutoRestoMod Thanks!
you guys do lots of these t5 rebuilds but dont have a shop press? whats up with that? good job tho
They did have a shop press. But we wanted to show how it could be done with simple tools.
Hey guys, great videos as always!
What sort of options are there for Dodge/Chrysler 5-speed conversions? I'm building a '69 Charger, and definitely want a 5-speed, but haven't had much luck finding a lot of info. Can you use a T5? if so, how much other work is involved? I've heard some people say it should be easy, others have said it'd be very hard to make work, and others have said a T5 just isn't suitable for big-block Chrysler engines?
to 300 lbs torque- over that forget it- t5 is a medium duty transmission
Is there much difference between the World Class and Non-World Class (aside from the bearings and oil you mentioned)?
Check out this episode:
Identifying and trouble shooting Borg Warner T5 Five Speed Episode136 Autorestomod
i currently have a t5 in my 95 camaro, i bought it and 1st gear seemingly didn't work, but sometimes i could get in in first gear perfectly fine. Then one day it got stuck in first gear and low and behold i had a broken shift fork. So, my question is do you think it was the syncro that went bad or could it have always been the shift fork and it finally went? An answer would be greatly appreciated.
Honestly it could be either or. Without the transmission in front of us, we can't do anything but guess.
I guess when I put it back together i will see, first gear in the shifter has always felt like it was never fully in first.
We would guess that it probably was a syncro issue. But as we said, hard to know.
Can you tell by the case if it's a world class t5? And how can I get your rebuild kit?
Contact Modern Driveline for the kit (208-453-9800) and for any information about cases. They have a wealth of info on the T5.
I currently have a 1968 top loader up against a 1969 lincoln 460 in my hotrod coupe, will the ford 5 spd bolt right in with the shifter in the same location as the top loader?
We'd recommend a TKO 600 and a Quicktime (RM-8010) bellhousing. According to some of the stuff we've seen, that is the best one for the 460. You also do not need to swap out the transmission input shaft for a shorter one like you do with other bell housings. Also, this is a low profile bell housing so there is no trimming needed for ground clearance. The older Quicktime housing did not have a cable end mount for cable clutches, but we have been told that the new ones do.
johncartelli Honestly, that would be a question for Modern Driveline (208-453-9800) or a company like that. We only have minor experience with the Quicktime stuff, beyond that...we are not sure enough to even venture a guess.
Hey AutoRestoMod i have my world class t5 dissasembled and really dont wana mess this up so i think il take it to a shop to have it done. i have new synchros everythings good on it just had a transmission leak how much do you think would be a fair price for a mechanic to assemble this for me if i take the transmission housing? and tail shaft housing? can you estimate a price please reply liked and subscribed!
Thanks X! Hard to say, we know that prices on the rebuild have come down and are all over the place depending on where you are. Best bet is to get your price from the builder and e-mail Jeff at: jford@autorestomod.com with it. he'll give you an idea based on what Mustang Central charges.
+AutoRestoMod Muscle Car Resto and Modifications
Average rebuild time is about 2-3 hours, we charge $85/hr. Or the other way to look at it is about $600 to rebuild the T-5 with the rebuild kit shown with labor. We back our repairs with 1 year warranty for our work. This does not cover broken parts like gears or forks.
Bruce Couture Modern Driveline is an AWESOME place to get the five-speed done. We've had great a great success with them and the folks know their stuff.
hey im rebuilding my trans and i have every thing ready but i need all the synchros once i have that ill be set do u know were i can buy just that kit
Contact Modern Driveline. They can hook you up: www.moderndriveline.com or 208-453-9800
ok coocol thanks guys :]
do you have any information about the new torsion spring that is now used istead of the tension spring setup?
We recommend contacting Modern Driveline on that: 2084453-9800
+AutoRestoMod Muscle Car Resto and Modifications
The number should be 208-453-9800.
Sorry abut the multiple fours there Bruce! =)
How much torque would this gearbox handle on a regular basis?
Bruce Lee rated for 300
He talked up those play spacers twice and never showed them.
I don't know... I'm kind of really disappointed in this video... all he did was assemble a main shaft... you didn't show setting up the end play on the counter shaft replacing the bearing or the cup. Do you guys preload it or do you follow guidelines of a few thousand end play? I wanted to see if there's any difference in between this video vs other videos I've seen. I think the guy over at 5 speeds.com did a way better job. On the slider he'll find which position the sliders feel the best in deburr the gears add 1 2 thou of preload on the counter shaft so that way when the bearings seat you end up with the spec that's needed there's all kinds of tips and tricks. I thought you guys were all about hot rods/ restomods.
We are, and we did the best we could. Sorry you don't like the video.
I am sick of the NPD ADDs these guys promote. Get to the real thing; rebuilding the trans. Save the Adds for at the end.
They pay the bills. You don't work for free, why should we? And isn't it better than a viagra ad? Or ladies face cream? Not even sure why I take this kinda time, you won't read it anyway.
The firs two minutes were a waste. Hopefully the rest wont be.
They aren't. We do things different now. We're at episode 502.
@@AutoRestoMod the rest of the video was very enjoyable and informative. Thanks!
Music junked video along with poor intro.
Different strokes for different folks. We like our little intro. That is from a now bygone era.
You didn't show how to do the 5th gear assembly (how to put the spring and keys in the assembly)
HEY I'M DOING A JEEP T5 INPUT SHAFT SWAP ON A S10 T5. THE NEEDLE BEARINGS DON'T SEAM TO WANNA FIT BACK IN THE JEEP SHAFT ARE THEY A DIFFERENT SIZE?
LES LUMPKIN Not sure on that one. We'd say that you may need a bearing race and bearing from the Jeep line. We'd check the old against the new as well to determine if the case hole, main shaft diameter, and bearings are the same.
+LES LUMPKIN When putting those in set it against race and slide it in instead of trying to press it down.
Thanks for tackling this byrysh!
AutoRestoMod Np. Its one of my newly aquired pieces of knowledge. I spent 15 minutes trying to press them then realized just slide it in and voila, its done :)
+byrysh GOT IT THAT DID THE TRICK ! WORKS GREAT! TY