The Career Ruining Consequences Of Cheating In Korean Esports
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- Опубликовано: 24 сен 2020
- As the esports scene continues to grow, there are many issues and concerns that will need to be addressed. One of the most common issues is around the act of boosting and hacking, especially by amateur and pro players in their past.
While current players with a history of boosting or cheating have been able to redeem themselves in the eyes of the western fanbase, it has been a much different story in Korea due to various cultural differences and how a career in esports is perceived.
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making a robbery is wrong but cheating on a sport, that literally pay you millons of dollars is okey?? no wonder why usa is so fck up
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So this is why Koreans are amazing in games, it's because it's an actual and serious career path
Been developing for a lot longer too, so yeah
Gamers all over the world are amazing. It's the Ranked Ladder in Korea that's taken seriously. Where as in other countries you get flamed for trying hard.
@@taviddurley7502 So true!
Yes, they did say that at the beginning of the video
The sad part is that the criticism has such a set back and it can also hurt the players.
Personally,yes cheat is bad but affecting player is worse and it could affect their lifestyle,
Note:its just my view
Korea: where your politicians are gamers
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"They targeted gamers"
- JFK
@@AlanElChato JEWSCIETY
"I'm here because I killed a guy. What did you do?"
"...I made an aimbot"
*scoots to the other end of the bench*
"And they put me in here with a lowlife like you?"
@FV25 lmao, good point
:o an aimbot!! Runs om the otherside of kantine. Guyss watch out an aimbotter!!
Making aimbot is a million dollar business because it's not illegal.
I was confused about how seriously South Korea took this, and an SK friend of mine explained it this way: "If you are willing to lie, cheat, and disadvantage others over a lower stakes competition such as this, how can I trust that you won't do the same when the stakes are higher?"
That is such a good way of putting it. Thank you for sharing!
Bruh i get it but we cant compare the two, ok i can cheat in a game because i want to but it doesnt mean i will kill or rob anyone
Ruben Melchor it’s not saying you will it’s just a matter of trust
@@rubenmelchor829 He described it as "showing a certain weakness in their character." That is, people are creatures of patterns, and a person who has been shown to cheat their peers before, is likely to do it again. Or in other words, if I have found out that I cannot trust you to be honest with one dollar on the line, what proof do I have that should I trust you to be honest with one thousand dollars on the line?
This reminds me of a joke I heard about 5G being bad. Some people would mind if I brought a router close to a baby's head despite believing 5G, or the like, not being dangerous. If I instead brought it close to a dog, more people wouldn't mind. Things change when the stakes are higher.
Gaming is actually treated as a viable career in Korea compared to western countries, so I find their severity towards cheating/boosting to be fair; although jail time does seem a bit overkill. If western countries were as open to people saying "I want to pursue gaming" and followed by investing vast amount of resources/training/coaching/sponsorship on them, I'd see western countries doing the same as Korea in terms of setting ample punishments for cheating. It's like Universities who find students plagiarizing and expelling them with a permanent note on their academic transcripts. But my point still stand jail time is overkill.
i think there should be a fine and like 1 year of prison to the ones that craeated and cheate and fine to the ones that uses it
(english isint my first language)
Or you know... an athlete doping.
I don't think you get jail over using aimbot, i'm positive it's distributing and creating aimbot that get you jail time.
@@LongNguyen-pv9sm Yep, that literally caused economical damage to the game distributor. Remember when Overwatch came out and aimbot flood the game? I left it until second ban wave, and I'm sure there were others who also drop it for an amount of time, too.
Do you think someone should deserve jail time for interrupting a high stakes poker tournament?
I'm with Korea! Cheating ruins the spirit of competition and the game.
Yeah :/
most of those I can forgive but Jensen got away too easy, ddossing is a serious offense and should be taken as such, its bringing it out of the video game and shutting someone's internet off so you can win, its one of the lowest things you can do right next to doxxing imo, he should've been punished severely.
Jensen from TL? wow didn't know that
ikr? he got off light even compared to western standards. i have no idea how hes not behind bars right now
He was permanently banned for almost a year that prevented from competing as either a coach or player
The only reason why he and many others (Not named Dopa), was because riot opted to update their reporting system to be more reasonable like banned for a year than be full on permabanned
yeah seriously, hacking and boosting versus doxing and ddosing players is an insane difference to me. I'm amazed that they would ever be allowed to play again, much less play competitively.
That loser should have been punished heavier
Not sure about how overwatch western servers were like, but in korea, boosting and cheating was quite a issue back in about season 2~5. Imagine you're a diamond player, and you're matched against 6-stacked 4400+ boosters(many of whom were pros, or pro trainees), or cheaters. And all the while you're getting your ass whooped, they just won't stop shit talking you, taunting your game play and low sr. About 7~9 out of 10 games were like this for several seasons. Almost 50% of korean overwatch users left during this time, and this is why we're kinda sensitive about cheaters and boosters. They've ruined so many good matches and where completely shameless about their actions. Many pro players who were caught boosting said that they weren't getting enough money from pro game play, so they had to boost people. No shit, but who wasn't? Perhaps with only the exception of Lunatic Hai, Runaway, and some other top tier APAX teams, no pro player in korea was making enough money. And while some pros grinded their teeth and kept trying their best, others broke their moral code as a pro gamer and boosted people. AND by doing this, they made a name for themselves and joined overwatch league faster than others who were diligent and faithful. Now do you get why effect and gamers in general were pissed about boosters joining OWL and continuing their career?
I'm not trying to say which response about boosting/cheating is right(western or eastern). Just wanted to tell you guys why we're so over-reactive(in a western point of view) because many of the comments down below didn't seem to get why. English isn't my native language so please be generous about typos and grammer mistakes.
You just can’t break your moral code as a pro gamer. It’s kind of funny to me that this is the future we live in, but things of this nature seem to be issues everywhere
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience!
you have excellent english, i understood what you were saying perfectly
lee byungju sounds as bad as the mouse and keyboard cheaters on console.
Jake Lee Jake Lee I’m sorry, I think you misunderstood my comment. Under no circumstances do I believe one should betray their moral code. Your moral code may change overtime, and it may contradict what your government or society deems wrong for the respective time period (Abolitionists). However, your moral code should be followed by you at the very least. In my opinion, cheating is an unfair advantage I wouldn’t want myself or others to have, whether it be in video games, exams, whatever. I’m willing to handicap my skill level against a new player in a game like smash bros, but I’m not willing to let them win by default. If I were playing online and someone was invulnerable that’s much different from a handicap. I spent hours honing my skill and someone cheated by utilizing something that puts them on equal footing or above my skill level, possibly achieving a win which would’ve taken me months of training, in 5 minutes. This applies to tests as well. If I studied for days for an exam I didn’t know the answers to, whereas one of my peers discovers the answer sheet, even if we both get a 100 it probably took him less than an hour to get an equal score to me even if I was severely disadvantaged. A handicap is a disadvantage both parties agree to, cheating is an advantage only one party knows about. In my opinion, I couldn’t care less if someone else chose not to stand for the flag, I assume they have their reasons, but I stand to honor veterans and the fallen who died defending innocent people from perceived dangers abroad or at home. They might’ve been forced to go to war, or chose to serve of their own volition, but regardless of the reasons our government sent them out there the ones that served deserve my respect. Others see it differently, but in the case of cheating I think it’s universally recognized as wrong. Cheating is much different. I think most people agree cheating or gaining any advantage without the other parties’ consent is wrong. In some cases it become more justified, such as if someone waits in line to get food and someone else “cheats” by cutting to the front. By that example, cutting in line is wrong, but if they’ve got a dying mother on her last breathe and that food could save her life, then I think it’s justified. It’s still wrong in my opinion, but to me it’s far more justified than someone wanting to cheat to get in a rank that everyone else had to earn.
That's why I enjoy playing in korean servers, actual good people, try their best in the game instead of shaming on others, and if they notice a cheater both team instantly draws the game.
I started playing on pc recently, just hit level 25. First 3 matches and people were so toxic, they weren't good either, so I think I'm done with western servers
i mean anti cheat laws are cool and stuff but kr servers are so tryhard... they wouldnt even go near cheese comps or off meta comps... where's the fun there??
@@bruh-hr1mt I've actually seen a lot of cheese comps in Korean servers, but even with cheese comps they tryhard it so hard it doesn't feel like cheese xD
And I find the fun in that, for me tryharding is fun
I’m too scared to play with Korean cause I suck still so I’m sadly going to try get better at overwatch
Cs go Korean servers are so easy
Imagine trump pulling up to the debate just for Biden to say “Your league account was boosted” LMFAOO
nah, he's probably still gonna say so dumb stuff like "Japan doesn't have high gun crimes because they don't have video games"
I can see this happening in Korea
@@nightcorelucario2218 I can hear it.
@@nightcorelucario2218 In Japan, video games are very popular, especially with console games i.e. switch, PS and more. They just tend to not like more 'competitive' games due to the different opinions on the reason to playing games.
@@thomastam7338 whoosh
I like Korea’s approach, cheating in multiplayer games does nothing but ruin the experience for others. Cheating in video games is like cheating in a sport, if Korea’s laws means there are less cheaters, then I’m all for it.
I think Korea is going way too far. Sure harsher punishments than EU or NA regions for esports players is something I support, having to put your ID when registering for a fucking game, come on.
@@destroyer-tz2mk When there are thousands of dollars in line? I dont think it is too harsh. Especially considering DDOS is illegal.
@@minhocho5487 I'm talking about having your id to play a fucking game is a bit bullshit
@@destroyer-tz2mk it stops you hiding pepega-brain
destroyer22719 I think they should just make you register with you social if you are going pro or playing in any league , other then that I think having your social tied to your account as a normal average player is taking too far
In my opinion Korea is doing the right thing. Imagine in physical "sports" if someone takes enhancement drugs or else, they will get punished if caught. Same with Esports. They're also playing for millions of dollars. I hope u could get my point. I am not a native speaker ^^
Exactly. If companies want to treat the ESports scene like other Sports, then they should stick to their decision rather than making a shady league.
uh so legal action only happens to western athletes with drug use for the drugs themselves, not the reason they used them. The drugs are punishable whether its for getting stronger or for pleasure.
But you shouldn’t go to jail people are not jailed for taking PEDS in traditional sports
@@bregozy3330 You don't go to jail for aimbotting. You go to jail for creating aimbots.
yes they would get suspended but not go to jail. The punishments america gives to esports players is the same as they would give to athletes.
The west is too relaxed about this stuff. Sabatoging a gaming league that includes large cash prizes should at least be considered a crime.
Except that the ladder isn't a gaming league with large cash prizes. What you're describing is more akin to match fixing, not boosting.
@@WavemasterAshi do you read or even watch the video? There was clear cut examples of people "cheating".
@@itsspookieThe original commenter said "a gaming league with large cash prizes." Tell me what cash prizes are at stake on the ladder with a booster? Yes, rigging a league with cash on the line is one thing. But that's not what I said...you DID read what I sad, right?
I think it's to far to put some one on prison, for me perma banned or fine is better like the csgo major where 4 player perma banned and fined after match fixing
@@WavemasterAshi yeah were talking cheating in "LEAGUES" here buddy, Not the ladder. No one mentioned cheating in the ladder other than you. Reread the comments lmao.
It’s cool to see this as a Korean I am.
Btw in PC Bang, Bang means room which makes it PC Room
I'm disappointed I thought that's where PCs go to fuck.
It's easy for westerners to be more lax because it's still a stigmatized career path. Lots of media still consider it as just a hobby, joking about things like "I wish I could get a million dollars just by playing games" discrediting the time, effort, dedication, and skill that are required to reach these feats. You hear things like "It's just a game" which is really easy to say, but that completely disregards the fact that many people genuinely make a living from e-sports, and to cheapen the industry with hacks and boosting not only makes gaming look bad, but it negatively impacts the players in the industry in a very real, financial way. So I'm on the side of Korea when it comes to bans. The prison time for hack software development is a little much, though I understand why. I'd rather it be a hefty fine instead of jail time. The US already has enough innocence people in prison.
Football is a sport in western culture and you wont find it illegal to have people cheat in a game. "Yes sir, that's the kid that has been sneakily touching the ball with his hand when he thought nobody looks, cuff the bastard because people like Ronaldo make a living out of this".
If its a league, just disqualify them. Boom done.
yes and esports is getting bigger and bigger
cheaters should be dealt seriously
I had no idea that the concept of esports was almost 20 years old in Korea. It’s crazy how far ahead of the rest of the world they are in terms of culture surrounding technology.
Me: "this dude is such a cheater"
Korean Government: *"Elaborate..."*
Dang. Mad respect to Korea for their respect towards games, and their "no funny business" attitude towards cheaters.
If we want esports to grow further, it would be great if some of those rules could be apply anywhere in the world. I totally undrestand the frustration of legit pros who work so damn hard to be at their level right now.
Cheaters: *exist*
Korea: “So you’ve chosen death”
Everyone deserves 2nd chance
@@FPSAlann That's true too but joining something as big as esports or any kind of tournament you should already know right from wrong.
As a comparator you should definitely Know CHEATING isn't allowed and if you can't follow that one simple rule than maybe your not good enough to play with others on a serious note like this, therefor you should be banned like the shameful fool you are for cheating.
Now going to jail and serving time is a bit much even for cheating. I mean most others in jail might have comitted something FAR worse like killing actual real life people.
Cheating is disruptive and should be punished but not LIFE ending, unlike some things you can do to land you In prison for almost your whole life. But I guess because money is involved people who cheat in esports, might as well be stealing money from real life people who have a chance to earn it properly through use of a gaming tournament.
Cheating at Esports is like stealing from the bank...lol accept your not holding someone at gun, point and if you are it's on a video game.
@@FPSAlann Nah, cheating is done on purpose. They should be punished more severely. I understand if someone commits a crime out of an urgent need like theft because of the economy, but not on cheating. They know it's forbidden and they know the consequences.
They still suffer from Chinese cheaters using vpn to korean servers in almost every single game lol
@@FPSAlann no
Level 30 Widowmaker with a Korean battle tag: *exists*
Korean Government: “I’m about to end this whole man’s career”
Honestly, as an SK born in America, I would prefer SK consequences and severity over NA. How would you feel if someone else on a really important exam cheated all the answers, whereas you spent countless hours studying and preparing? Same thing in esports, players should receive severe punishments. How can you trust them later if they did it once? More severe punishments would also discourage cheaters at all levels
Except alot of these people didn't cheat in any "Esport", ladder and esport is a completely different thing, boosting doesn't affect how fast you get put on a pro team.
It's just a game dude
@@baremangus3576 game is just a game in western countries but in SK it is a career path and people take it seriously therefore politicians are pushed to implement laws about this. Imagine you are working in an office but there are no laws protecting you or the workforce. Again gaming is considered as a valid career path in South korea. Sorry english is not my 1st language.
I'm genuinely curious: If someone was to lie to their future employer about their abilities and it gets found out, do they have to face jail time?
Cause, if that is the case, then it is totally understandable why Koreans would think temporary suspensions aren't enough. In the West, doing that will only mean getting sacked, unless it can be interpreted that the company broke laws by hiring you.
@Spaghettiwrld Good take.
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Its just more awesome esports content
Cheating in eSports is equivalent to steroids in sports. The consequences should be the same.
The way Korea treats gaming with respect is amazing. It just it feels weird that a culture that accepts gaming like that. Usually I feel like when I play games, it doesn't matter and it doesn't count as something I like anymore and is waste of time. Is just there to make me happy for a bit. Is like watching a youtube video or a movie
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me playing csgo without getting rekt by cheater for 5 straight hours :
*something's wrong I can feel it*
CS was so enjoyable in the 90s when you'd meet one cheater a year tops.
Korea is so serious about esports and good for them. They are superstars and should be examples to the youth around them.
I love y’all’s videos! So much info... I’ll have to get on that patrion sub
Thanks Akshon! You guys finally explained it well, I hope this video to be shown on many people’s recommendations.
4:33 He introduces Hotba with the captions: Hotba snores a lot. 😂
disappointed as Savior and Life's matchfixing scandal were not included in this video. Those scandals were the downfall of Korean's Starcraft scene
Savior's time is still the golden age of starcraft , while Life is Starcraft is already considered dying.
Thanks Akshon! I hope this video’ll be got on many people’s recommendations
I love this keep up the good work
Im surprised you didnt mention the saVior example. The guy was a champion and got essentially unpersoned after the match fixing was found
This feels like the korean equivalent of mlb players going up in front of congress to talk about steroid usage
This was really insightful thanks
Possibly one of the best videos. Great work Akshon Esports.
I don't know enough about the sentences that should be applied by the courts. But a legal framework for cheating should be considered much more seriously in the West.
It's just completely meaningful of how western countries think of video gaming as something that can't be done seriously; except it's a multi-billion dollar industry and esports are a reality.
I understand this for things like gambling fraud, fixing matches, and acts that would be illegal for other reasons (which do have legal consequences), but having a countries government involved with penalties for just "cheating" is a gray area for me
While I feel it is a bit harsh in Korea, it is rather lax in the west. How often cheaters ruin rounds for all they come across even if they're teammates is frighteningly high. I'd like harsher punishments but the cultural difference will remain because E-sports still is still seen as a hobby with minimal pay instead of a career. Also how some cheat their players isn't stopping anytime soon.
you deserve way more subs, ive been watching your vids for so long (especially overwatch)
Came for old school Brood War footage, was not disappointed. Thx
0:47 The subtitle is wrong, it shall be 'Despite controversy over her boosting, Ryu has reappointed as first candidate on Justice Party's electoral list'
I wish I had money to be a patreon lol. Great video!
Haha, holy crap. Casually watching a video and my track "Machine Heart" appears. This made my day!
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five years in prison for aimbotting holy shit
Sounds fair to me.
It would fix EU CS:GO servers for sure.
This was a really good video!
Thank you!
Back in 2000 when local arcade still a thing there is several korean in my city were known for bumping ur shoulder in the 2nd round to distract you from winning.
Seems to me that the Koreans have the right approach here, especially considering the recent growth of esports and gaming in the West. Anti-cheat laws are sorely needed and make a lot of sense to me. Seems like some people in the comments are a bit reluctant to hand out jail time, but as gaming and esports become a more established career path, I think it makes sense. In sports, college, and academia there are can be both social and legal ramifications for misconduct, so maybe it’s time we see that in the video game industry too.
Jail time is too harsh for the western world. Comparing gaming to academics is not a fair comparison. Look to western sports instead. Fines, suspensions and bans are how they punish. All of the legal action that comes with cheating in sports is drug related and has nothing to do with the cheating it has to do with using illegal drugs. A lot of the eastern countries punish crimes harder. If you compare the punishment for weed in the US vs SK its a huge difference. up to 5 years or a fine up to 44,000 dollars for south korea vs up to 1 year and a fine of 1,000 dollars for the US. So while cheating and boosting should result in a ban from the league, the country will not implement laws for it
I think so too. These cheaters are stealing people's time. They are selfishly taking away from other people at an expense. If people go to jail for stealing products, which products take time to make Time = money.
@@mxtrem3 thats like saying anyone who is late or doesn't show up to a date, hangout etc should also go to jail because they wasted ur time
@@jakelee7083 thats pro play which generally results in a fine and ban for cheating. he is talking about online play which is different. would you get a fine or jail time for taking steroids in for community soccer? a ban from the game is enough for western world
@@jakelee7083 you said thousands of dollars at stake and with set dates.idk what kind of comp ur playing my g
If E-Sports is actually a viable career, it would make sense that the punishments would be tougher.
As a kid my mom would travel to south korea for work, then she would tell me stories how they had tournaments in internet cafe's back then and she would tell me that there was a south korean who became a champion in Star Craft in the United States. But when he plays against his folks back home, his level of play was far different from the actual pro's. This was in the early 2000's back then.
Then I became friends to some koreans who resided in the philippines and we were playing Sudden Attack (CS 1.6 of south korea) and the way our korean clan leader trained us was strict and everything has to be precise and needs to be mostly headshots. So we had to calibrate our mice settings, in-game settings, and to practice more than 12 hours a day to become really good at it. Came to a point that you could already distinguish pro's and cheaters easily, although there are times that you gotta cross reference in youtube on how they play just to confirm if they're cheating or not and back then streaming wasn't a thing. So I gotta watch their "Montages" just to confirm the skill they possess.
As you rightfully pointed out, competitive gaming has had such a longtime presence in South Korea (and played such a key part in its economic revitalization in the early 2000s) that politicians know the industry well and what laws are actually needed.
We're lightyears away from Western lawmakers actually understanding esports...yet they're going to try and regulate it regardless. I'm not looking forward to the results.
Western players complain about "cancel culture" when cheaters and boosters continue their careers with no problem, kinda funny actually
@@stpzo4178 I'm not sure what you're asking? Whole video they are comparing the West with Korea?
Not really comparable, banning someone cause they offend you is alot different than banning boosters/hackers. Cancel culture exists in eSports as well as in real life, if you can't see that you are willingly ignoring it. For example multiple Pro Korean overwatch players ANS for example have said homophobic remarks or as well as outright refusing to play with non koreans, do that as a westerner and you are seen as a racist or a homophobe, however these things are more or less acceptable in Korea.
@@spoogsq836 But what happened to ANS? Literally nothing. No one is getting canceled and losing their current jobs or future opportunities. They're getting a slap on the wrist at most. Which is what would happen in anywhere. Viol2t told a ranked player to kill himself and got nominated for mvp, Babybay cheated and banned in CSGO and went pro in Overwatch then Valorant with no problem. List goes on. Cancel culture is suppose to be "one mistake and you're done" not "one mistake and get criticised"
@@Re_Mi_Fa xQc did
@@spoogsq836 The guy who got fired from Fuel because he couldn't stop getting fined, then played for team Canada, then got signed to Gladiators Legion? If he wanted to go pro again multiple teams would offer a spot
Culture that respects gaming. 😭 i like Korea now.
surprised you didn’t talk about the match fixing in brood war, probably one of the first big incidents.
I think each countries laws suit their culture best. Having a SIN tied to your account and then sharing it is akin to fraud so I completely understand the harsh response in Korea
We in the west, are saying how amazingly open minded the koreans are, treating gaming as something serious, but then surprized how they treat cheaters? It's the two sides of the exact same thing! So in my opinion the question "who is right?" is just stupid. Korea treats gaming as any other profession, if you do something against the law, you are punished.
Great video as always!
Imagine going to jail for cheating in a video game for 4 years, as long as someone who could've committed assault or robbed someone's money. That is overkill. But at the same time I have a huge level of respect for competitive integrity.
Great video!
Thanks!
2:00 Bruh they having a lecture on LOL. Wut?!
Today I came across a guy today who was boosting his friends account while on my smurf
lol, what was his name?
It’s all about trust and respecting the institution/group. That is what most people don’t understand, that once it’s broken it will stay broken.
differences and the stakes involved...
I will GLADLY trade some scrubs getting harsh punishments for cheating in return for a society that respects gaming.
Cheating and /or boosting, having in Korean culture seems equivalent to the Astros in the MLB.
Integrity and honesty are values that players should observe if they want their good reputation and a sense of achievement due to effort.
I’ve actually stop purchases on games and franchises depending on how well they control hacking. New DLC doesn’t make sense when it’s crawling with hackers
Now it makes so much sense why Viol2t was going to quit owl because his brother was found cheating, honestly... respect
EU/NA: You get caught ddosing you get unbanned after 2years or so.
KR: You get caught boosing you're banned for 2000yrs.
as a 40 y old korean, watched esports since 90's with slayer of boxer in starcraft1, we koreans take any cheatin in game very seriously, specially those games with professional leagues. they experienced how starcraft1 major sponsors dropped out from esports and korean esports lovers believe that the cheating fastened the end of starcraft1 league.
still today many starcraft1 former professionals stream on youtube and another korean streaming platform and encouraging playing with honest.
today, almost all korean game lovers agree that cheating in game can take what we, everyone from the professionals, youth players, and fans, love away from us.
younger korean teenagers may not talk about it this way but this kind of culture is set up for most korean esports fans from, probably i would say, mid 20s.
yeah it is also true that koreans take games more seriously than any other countries.. it seems like we are playing games as with dignity and our families (sometimes seriously for teenagers)
Thats why they are strong in many esports: A good environment is maintained.
Its a bit radical, but all accounts should be Identity Verified and each person can only have one account, this reduced most smurfing/ Cheating issues and make the main playerbase improve more then they otherwise can, if you played KR LoL you know even silvers have min 70cs in average
Because of the fact that millions of $ are earned in Korean E-Sport it is all right to punish professional players for cheating like doping sportsman.
In prison, in Korea:
“What are you in for mate?”
“I aimbotted”
Hes to dangerous to be left alive!
couldn't you technically create an account using vpn and then log in without?
Or do they also have a different login system? (not only username/email & password)
I feel like that part of Jayne and the other people who gotten upset about not hearing a name shows the major disconnect, and kind of not accepting that the culture of gaming is different in other places. It's sad to see that was no real consideration or looking into how serious this is. This is what football both American and European is to the west as e-sports is to Korea. When there is a government entity involved with it and how serious the effects of cheating is, it shows how important this is to them. Highlights how important this is.
If Im being honest...there HAS to be a reason that so many comp teams are Korean right? I mean heck most of the OWL is Korean. And yes they had more time to develop and everything but we all train the same. Play and get better. But they just...idk have game steroids or something so I think their laws and rules work. Acc boosting in anyway is cheating and that hurts all other players involved. I say we follow Korea’s way
I don't think its the laws that is what moved SK way ahead of the western world rather the laws are a byproduct of the culture around gaming. Gaming is not "cool" or a real career path in most peoples eyes in NA. Making cheating illegal won't change that frankly it would be ridiculed by most of the people. The culture is changing slowly, give it 5 or 10 more years and it will be near the level of sports
Jacissh I fully agree but it would help change the WHOLE scene of gaming. I mean for example if there were tighter regulations and different rules/laws in place maybe the whole super smash bros problem couldve been avoided. I feel like if the government accepted it then so would parents and that would allow new upcoming players practice their plays more and as such raise the “skill cap” of NA and we’ll no longer be known for our NA plays.
It all starts with your lawmakers. If you have lawmakers stuck in the Boomer era like we do in the US, you'll never get people that actually consider eSports as a viable business model and as such, will never make laws to regulate the business model.
I love korea not only becuz of how they take games seriously but also of them laws set up
0:11 yo why they playing on that one battlefield one map ballroom blitz
This is kind of crazy!
When you own a game and invest a lot of time to "git gud" and actually be proud of your work just to be discouraged by the amount of cheaters in the game is very devastating. Having strict punishment to cheaters should be adopted by western countries too. I dont care how serious gaming is in a nation but if you can prevent someone from falling into depression because of cheaters, then people should understand that it needs to be taken seriously along with enforcing severe punishments to cheaters
VAC's weakness is why I never really played CSGO much.
I wish boosting and smurfing were against the law in USA as well. So common here. Wish they didn't clown upon us gamers and actually took it as a career choice a bit more seriously, cuz after all, the best of the best can earn the same as some irl sports players.
I am not a fan of the practice of starting alt accounts to pick on scrubs in ranked games.
If this "ranked" games dictate one's E-sports career, then it could be something worth regulating.
I knew none of this so finding this out is crazy
This was a amazing video
As a Korean, HO JUNG RYU is one of the worst MP in Korean Parliament. She belonged to the Justice Party, and I guess that Party has no justice
Korean : * cheats *
The entire country of South Korea : *Neon guhal sueobsneun ttong jogag-iya*
what does that mean?
@FV25 tried that. it didn't give me anything for some reason.
How the hell will people google it or translate it if you only wrote the pronunciation of what you were going to say? Even me as a Korean have no idea what this means.
@FV25 It doesn't work.
넌 구할 수 없는 똥조각이야
Rough translation: You're a hopeless piece of shit
(Pretty direct translation tho, wouldn't call the translating app good quality)
I mean, if its a profession I can understand how it could be affected by legal ramifications especially since cheating definitely can take a toll on the game devs pockets. I dont think imprisonment is necessary (esp in the U.S.) but I do think more strict monitoring and fiscal punishment would be alright. I also think cheating in sports is a big deal whether it be E-sports or not and should be taken much more seriously then it is in western countries.
About the SSN being linked to your gaming account thing:
It's not just for your gaming account, almost all accounts on a Korean site needed your SSN, and this is unrelated to the anti-boosting law. It's just that having your gaming account already linked to your SSN made it way easier for the anti-boosting law to pass.
I think it has no clear answer. See, in Korea, they see it as a legitimate business path. Therefore, it makes sense to bar players that have stains on their CVs. It's like having a criminal record and applying for most jobs in the US. They wont want you. But here in the West, we still see it as just a bit of fun and a game at its core. We only see it the same as any other hobby. So what if you cheated, if that's what gave you some enjoyment, nobody can blame you.
No answer here is wrong, but neither is correct. Great vid my man.
I disagree if you cheat, I can blame you. Because your fun relies on ruining games for many other people.
@@supersaiyan6973 Yes, but you wouldn't agree with that person going to jail and getting a criminal record, would you. Because at the end of the day, you most likely see it as just a game.
I learned about other regional perspectives through your comments. I'm also Korean and my thought is.. It may be because of a culture that takes all competition more seriously in Korea than in other countries. (Whatever )
Even I feel hard these days because of this shitty culture.
I feel like Western culture should take cheating and boosting a bit more seriously but i don't want them to go all tryhard. I want to be able to see off meta comps in high level ladders and meme players who are actually good like Bastionmain and ball_overwatch
Finally
Honestly if u think about it anyone who is boosted and ends up in a tournament scenario where money is involved they pretty much lied and cheated their way up to get that money
Seeing kronovi with a g2 jersey out of nowhere... really hit me in the feels 😢
변역해줄 분 구함 ㅠㅠ
plz someone translate this
video to Korean..
I think we need a middle ground
that woudl make sense. But either side will feel betrayed
For OGE's case, I can understand why KR casters refused to call his ID. The caster at that time once used to be a pro Starcraft league caster and already experienced how the whole professional community collapsed (the news in 0:40) at once by a single player who led multiple match-fixes. The professional games were not established by one or two ppl; the casters, commentators, observers, sponsors, players, coaches, analysts, stadium staffs, computer graphics team, and all other people's efforts had slowly built the league for multiple years. However, a lot of the people who did their best on prospering the community lost their jobs because of the match-fixing player. I won't say Monte(5:36) was absolutely wrong, but I think this difference in perspectives comes from whether one has seen and actually suffered from the collapse with his/her colleagues, friends and families by losing their jobs.
In South Korea a game isn't just a game.
I’m glad that Korea has legal ramifications for this it should be this way in the west anonymity is killing videogames I believe the government should bury cheaters in fines and a removal of there ability to play games at all.
Isnt that abit too extreme?