Yeah, that's the case. Cause in MVC3 Capcom HAD to fight A lot with Marvel to get some of these characters like She hulk and Taskmaster etc since they are not part of the mcu
This is true for something like the roster, but the trash visuals and terrible marketing/release schedule is totally on Capcom and their budget. If they spent more and delayed the game for a more inspired look, it could've at least been an attractive buy. Even if they had the fox owned characters( at the time), the game would still look like doo doo and die.
@@PKdororo it would not. The fact you say that shows how little you actually know shit. The gameplay was the best. The characters EVERYONE HAS BEEN SAYING is what's lacking. If it had the characters. It would have sold much better 🙄
@@The_WIll_OF_D99 Haha. Looks like I hit a nerve. Notice how I said nothing about the gameplay. That's because yeah, I agree the gameplay is good. Which I think supports my argument. The game is good, so what killed it? Oh yeah. The trash visuals, bad marketing, and shitty content. Fighters was the better package at the time. Better gameplay? Debatable. But the game was polished, had good marketing, and decent content at launch.
Wow this is an actual esports channel. That talks about all different genres of games and not JUST mobas and shooters like THE SCORE. I’m liking and subbing all these videos from now on.
The worst part about mvci? Strip it down to the gameplay mechanics and its FANTASTIC. The game is a blast and has so much depth, but everything around it was such a failure that it could not be appreciated properly. Some things that weren't discussed in this video: 1. DLC announced before the game was released angered a lot of people especially because the main roster was already so scarce. 2. The collectors edition was a complete embarrassment. It came with "infinity stones" that were literally colored eggs. Like ones you fill with candy on Easter. I believe the collectors edition was an extra $60. 3. Capcom failed to advertise/give incentive to attend grand finals of their infinity stone tournament. Watching the top 8 battle it out in an empty hotel banquet hall was super awkward, especially when Cloud was crowned the winner to absolutely 0 applause. I believe capcom did their absolute best considering how good the core gameplay actually was. Disney probably gave this project 0 priority resulting in low budget, low communication, and only wanted a project done by a specific date.
This is so true. After getting into both MVCI and Dragonball, I think MVCI is clearly the better game from a gameplay standpoint. Sadly everything else around it caused it to fail before it even released. Sad story smh.
Looked horrendous to look at, and it was blatantly obvious that it one one big mcu advertisement and that alone pretty much affected everything that wasn't gameplay
Well, technically all this franchise started because of advertisement, the X-Men were the most popular Marvel super hero Team in the 90's and the first entry was COTA (or XVSF, if you don't count COTA).
Fox never owned the characters, they just owned the film rights to those characters. Disney still held the rights for most of the characters in games (I think sony still owns the game rights to Spider-Man) so if they wanted to they could have included them in infinite. The reason they chose not to is because they considered using those characters in other media as essentially advertising for fox's films. Same reason they stopped writing fantastic 4 comics.
Marvel has been doing this with a lot of IPs they sold the filming rights for. Essentially making something worthless so they can scoop it back up and start over.
i dont know how/why people get that idea wrong so often. movie rights, tv rights, video game rights, comics rights etc etc are all each completely independent from each other
@@Hawkingbird1 spider-man was technically Sony, and Ultimate Alliance 2 was made over a decade ago. Yes Ultimate Alliance 3 was made recently, but was got so-so audience acclaim.
@@Hawkingbird1 I don’t know why you think I’m praising the publishers? I never claimed Activision was responsible for making Ultimate Alliance 2 a great game. 🙄
I’d say Insomniac worked their asses off to make Spider-man PS4. But Disney’s bum ass still meddled since earlier this year, they changed Peter’s face to look more like Tom Holland. It’s off putting as FUCK because of how young he looks now.
@@CalmEnergy2125 True, but it still would be less convenient. It's like one of those high end prizes in games. Technically you can get it if you grind, but it was really ment to be bought with in world money
Saw this video just when i started getting into mvci: There is actually a very active , albeit smaller, scene for mvci. people has tried the game when it was on sale, and kind of came out of the stereotypes of the graphics and bad story mode: the majority of the competitive cast cared more about gameplay then the story, and the graphics, while not being great by all means, were slick enough to not become distracting or constantly reminding. regarding the cast, it was a give and take: we got several, new and awesome newcomers such as the aforementioned X, Sigma, Thanos, Nova and others, even though some fan favorite ones didn't make it, especially x-men characters. When regarding the gameplay, it is actually quite good - there are less centralizing characters then umvc3, and the majority of the cast is at least playable. combos can still be long, and the game is still hard, but it does a good job slicking the learning curve for newcomers. The infinity stones, while sometimes being niche, are actually quite an interesting mechanic, as it can affect your playstyle and gameplan orientation more then the characters you choose in some cases. I am not going to say MvCI was an overall great game: it clearly lacked overall as a game, and the budget or effort put into it was definitely smaller than in past entries. However, it's still has a fun gameplay, featuring cool newcomers, interesting mechanics, great online and a secretly active community.
oh, my bad then lol. of course, there is no problem with prefering dfbz or umvc3 over infinite, just thought it would be cool to show the other side of the story @nikhil bhavani
Yeah, I was weary about watching this since Stumblebee and Maximilian already did a good job but this one gets bonus points for interviewing members of the scene and showing where they have gone with UMVC3.
A pretty neat coverage of the history of Marvel vs Capcom Infinite with a decent usage of clips throughout. I knew a lot of the development stuff regarding the game but the interview clips with Brutal Democracy (think that was his name), the hilarious sounding Battle for the Stones tournament and the post-revival of Marvel vs Capcom 3 were all new to me. Fantastic job on this fascinating video!
MvC3 is though, and unlike 2 you have way more tournament viable characters. Not saying 2 isn't hype but you're full of it if you think 3 isn't especially seeing as it just pulled in an over 30,000 viewer tournament on twitch.
When people think mvc they think of 2. Truly one of the last great arcade games. Capcom doesn't release it again because it would of taken infinites thunder away big time..
@@sleazyfellow People who grew up with arcades think of 2 especially since that's the start of the fighting game dark ages where no new fighting games were really being made by capcom so the only games people really were playing on a competitive level were 3rd strike and MvC2 especially in america. In 2008 SFIV was released and was such a big success it completely revived the Fighting game genre and the FGC to the point that EVO was able to grow to the level it did. Ignoring tatsunoko due to WII exclusive, MvC3 released in 2011 as the FGC was Growing to the heights that it has reached today and has created some of the biggest FGC personalities and rivalries in the communities history with the added effect due too the success of twitch and youtube. Most people who play Fighting games today weren't around during MvC2 as that game was made 20 years ago and was only available to most people in arcades and for a short period of time on Xbox Arcade and Whatever PSN was called on the PS3. Reality is most people haven't played MvC2, which isn't to say it's a bad game just an effect of it being hard to get legally. The fact that most people haven't played it could lead to really high sales though if marvel and disney ever allowed it to be sold again and if it does happen we could see a resurgence in the game again. All in all though fuck Marvel Infinite.
@@jkt3sc it didn't only come out on the ps3 psn and xbox arcade for the 360. I had mvc2 on multiple systems, for the dreamcast first and foremost, then ps2, then on the 360... I'd buy it again if it was available on the modern systems. Throw in the powerstone collection and I'd buy that again too. Fighting games might of had a comeback but it's nothing compared to those early to mid 90s days, every time I'd visit an arcade there'd be something new.
@@sleazyfellow True on ps2 and xbox my mind ignored them due to fightsticks my bad although not till 2003 in NA, dreamcast wasn't owned by most people though. Again though MvC2 was created in the 2000's not mid 90's, a time where everyone was in awe of the graphics of the ps2 and xbox, and DVD's became the new medium for Movies and TV. Kids in this era generally were playing split screen shooters like Halo, GTA, sports games, etc and when they would go to the arcade they would again play 3D games just off the top of my head games like time crisis, artic thunder they weren't playing 2D fighting games especially so much that the game engraved in there heads. The only Fighting games being played in most peoples houses were all 3D fighters like soul caliber, tekken they were realistic, gritty, ton of content, and great to just pass a controller around without actually trying to get gud. If MvC2 came out during those mid 90's then yes it would be better known to people, but it didn't it came out during a period were everyone owned a ps2 and an xbox and the last thing they wanted was a sprite based game.
I like Marvel but when he said Blazblue Cross Tag Battle I shot out of my seat. Heck forget Cross Tag Battle I never thought I'd ever hear him say Blazblue. I personally would love for a touch upon the Blazblue series. Whether its Cross Tag Battle or Centralfiction. I guess it would have to be BBTag because it's most recent. But damn that or a video on Undernight In-Birth.
BBTag was the death blow because it was a 2v2 fighting game just like MvCi. Essentially, people who were upset at MvCi could play DBFZ if they wanted to play something more like classic MvC, and could play BBTag if they wanted to try out this 2v2 fighter thing. (Don't quote me on any of that; I was never a fan of MvC, so I don't actually know what MvC fans thought of BBTag. This is just a sequence of events that makes sense to me.) None of which is to say that MvCi is a bad game, or that BBTag is obviously superior, because that's not the case: MvCi may be no masterpiece, but it's an alright game. And while I may prefer BBTag, it's no masterpiece either, just ok.
Is Max really enjoyable? Tried to get into watching him back in MvC3 days but he felt too "gamer" for me over the time I've been watching him. Might just be because he's the opposite of the FGC guys that I have watched before that have completely different audiences. Props to him for staying this long though. Lots of the FGC guys I'm talking about are nowhere to be found now outside of tournaments.
@@math001 he's not for everyone but I've been watching him for a long time. He's tone down some since those days, you might enjoy his content more now depending on what you look for in fighting game content. I recommend his streams personally if you have any interest.
@@abandonedaccount3864 Tekken is the only fighting game I'm playing right now. Maybe I'll get back into watching him once SFVI and MvC4 drops. Watched the recent UMvC3 tournament that he hosted and I like that he brought back his iconic cosplay characters from back then.
If there's the only game you can play, MVCI is solid, that happened in a place I worked at, we asked for UMVC3 but got Infinite instead becuase of a clerical error, since we couldn't bring our own games we settled for Infinite and it was good, but it also felt like learning an useless skill because outside our office's break room, no one played the game.
Dead serious, I remember that line. All these characters are just "functions". Holy fuck. When I heard that was their "excuse" for not including X-Men/Fantastic Four/etc, I fucking blew it. I had been following the Disney Marvel scene for some time after the acquisition. I saw what they did to the X-Men in the comics as they tried to replace them, ruin some of the best characters, and basically sent the Fantastic Four behind the shed never to be seen unless they wanted to drive up sales. I saw how they started removing these characters from games and there'd be less and less of them. But this? This was one of the opportunities to put bullshit business aside and give the fans what they want.. Instead, they spat in our faces, and this is what was the result of that. Oh the amount of fanboys who defended this game after the trailers, saying how it wasn't a big deal, etc etc, oh my, yeah, they'd still probably defend this game even now. Personally, I stopped playing many fighting games after it became far too expensive to support. I recently bought SC6 cause' they had a good deal and I got to get back into a franchise I enjoyed in my teens. I can't say the same thing for FighterZ, it's way too expensive, and I never catch sales. Meanwhile Tekken 7 has a complete edition which is a flat price with all content, no bullshit, no confusion, pay one price, get all the content. Other games just don't do that anymore which makes it so difficult for people to even want to get into these games now, especially those who care about cosmetics. Like, you are literally staring at the character you enjoy playing as ALL DAY LONG, ofcourse you should care about cosmetics! Anyway, yeah, this game brought out a lot of bad blood for me, as a long time Marvel fan who has been jaded and apathetic for years, this really did make me feel at least something for a franchise I once I enjoyed. I'll give Ultimate Alliance 3 some credit here, atleast they gave us the characters we wanted via DLC like the Fantastic Four.
The Millenium Fighting 2001 is about to begin. Hardcore fans have been eagerly anticipating this event and now the waiting is finally over. Check your training wheels at the door, ladies and gentlemen. This is gonna be one incredible battle that won't easily be forgotten. The time has come when the new history is going to unfold. You can feel the intensity in the air as the hopes, dreams, and hearts of these warriors are about to be put to the ultimate test of skill. What they are after is the title of the world's strongest. Now, are you ready to get it on?
My 2 sons & I have been playing MvC (the first one) for awhile now and recently we came across the 3rd one at a local game store, bought it and loved it. Then I found MvCI cheap on the playstation store & bought it for 9.99, thinking I got it for a great price. Played it and we immediately didn't care for it. Even my 4 year old when he saw the roster to MvCI was like "where's Magneto?" The 9.99 I paid then began to feel like I paid too much now. I found the 3rd one again but the ultimate edition & got that for another 9.99 and upon playing it I had this sense of feeling like "ah, this is more like it." I hope we get another version restored to its original glory one day but for now, My kids & I will be on MvC3 Ultimate!!
The reason due to x men and fantastic 4 characters being excluded was't due to fox owning the rights as fox only owned the movie rights but game rights still belonged to marvel it's just that marvel did't want to essentially give free advertising to fox hence why the x men and fantastic 4 had been absent in so many comics and games
Just wanted to post Liam Robertson video. Capcom is clearly the ones who basically straved this game of funding giving it less than half the budget of sfv dlc so it's no wonder that this game flop and it deserved to flop. Here's a link to the video ruclips.net/video/3kanICweLFM/видео.html
I knew from the moment they said that there would be equal control and input that Disney was going to control everything and was just going to be a watered down version of UMVC3
This game was so fun and it was the MVC game that made me wanna go back and give UMVC3 a try, but all the fun mechanics and sick looking combos couldn’t save this game from a roster that most people considered to be lacking, as well as the bad press that it got from the “characters as functions” comment. I still revisit it for an arcade run with Venom and Spider-man from time to time, only to remember that this game doesn’t even have arcade endings. It’s a damn shame it came out this way. It has good gameplay, it’s just lacking nearly everywhere else.
Touching to see the MVC community following the steps of the Melee community. Marvel Versus Capcom Infinite is basically the Brawl of Smash. And the 2 communities had the same love for the previous instalment. Tragic that things turned out that way but inspirational for other fighting communities which would suffer from that situation.
I don't think it's better honestly. Competitive Brawl was very bad. But that's not the point. I was just pointing out the fact that these games had a similar story and impact in their respective franchise.
Yo thank you so much for this video. UMVC3 is one of the games I played the most growing up and I didn't know about the mod and newer scene. After hearing about it, I may just have to take the plunge.
What annoys me most about MvCI is Marvel still could’ve used the X-Men/FF characters if they wanted, Fox just owned movie rights. :/ If MvC was serious about a comeback, take Smash Ultimate as example, “Everyone’s Here!!” + more characters. Guaranteed best selling Marvel vs Capcom by a long shot! (If they nail art style and gameplay)
I'm not 100% sure about this but from a video I completely forgot about covered a post saying that mvc3 would have not some characters had Capcom not faught for the characters
Disney didn't allow those characters to be used in anything because they considered it free advertisement for the Fox movies. That's why there weren't even Fantastic 4 comic books being made. Disney's greedy like that.
I think a couple of things should be mentioned. MvCI was doing well in the competitive arena until it was announced that it wasn't going to be at Evo. Tekken 7 and SF5 were the only games getting more numbers than it. After they announced no Evo, numbers dropped dramatically. It really felt like a snub when DBFZ and BBTAG got in Evo when they weren't even out yet. And BBTAG also had a lot of controversy behind it. It's very strange that MvCI didn't get in while KOF14 got in twice even though it looked worse. And the functions thing was taken way out of hand. When you look at MvC2, Sentinel was the most picked character. But when MvC3 came out, no one played him because he wasn't good. Doom became the most popular MvC3 character even though he wasn't popular in MvC2. And you say people practice with the same characters for years and decades doesn't mean much when everything changes between games. Iron Man has been in almost every Marvel game but he plays different in every game. And up until MvCI, Wolverine was the only character who was in every Marvel game. So the rosters change every in game. There's no way some someone could play the same character for the whole series unless they play Wolverine, Chun, and Ryu. But no one ever complained about that. Fighting game players are used to switching characters. The rosters change a lot in most games. Look at the rosters for GG, SF, MvC, MK, and KOF. They change dramatically with each release. Only a few characters actually make it into every entry. MvCI's failure always struck me as weird. It seems like people wanted it to fail from every angle. And in these videos, one major thing I find missing is the actual MvCI community. There is one and they run tournaments. MvCI isn't as dead as people make it out to be. I think it's important to acknowledge them because they have put a lot of work into it and have plenty of hype matches. And we should build them up rather than tearing down the game they play.
It’s funny. I really enjoying watching your videos covering the history of eSports even though I have no interest in watching eSports and don’t enjoy competitive gaming in general. Well done!
They had rights to the characters, but chose to make a MCU game instead of MvC game effectively ruining almost every single reason people stuck with the games. They changed the art style and made it worse, they changed the gameplay with infinity stones and made it worse, they changed the character line up and made it worse, then they did the worst thing of all: let's tell the fans that their connections to the characters are actually superficial and it's their fault why they don't like the game. Yeah, that'll work.
There's this one unique fighting game I want you to look into! It's Mobile Suit Gundam Extreme Versus Maxi Boost ON for PS4! While looking like another typical arena fighter, the game breaks the mold by going for a single screen, 2 on 2 fighting game with over 185 characters to choose from, all of whom are unique from one another. Not to mention this game uses the Gundam IP and has been going on since for 20 years with the release of Mobile Suit Gundam Federation Versus Zeon for Arcades and PS2. The game is considered a staple in game centers in Japan, have a official tournament scene called "PREMIUM DOGFIGHT" and in 2010, won the No. 1 arcade game of Japan at one point. The first Extreme Versus game iteration, in particular, has a Linkin Park song "The Catalyst" as the game's opening song, as they too were Gundam fans. Maxiboost ON is the first Extreme Versus game released worldwide ever since its inception in 2010, but current player numbers are sadly dropping. Rank and casual matches are dead and what remains are casual players new to the game and a rag tag group that is the EXVS Community. They also have their own reddit page! Please look into it @Akshon Esports
I'm sure it will happen at some point. Gundam Versus (the first PS4 game) is a "why it failed" story waiting to happen and he can talk about how MBON or other games too. The Vita game which was the first one in the west is probably worth a mention.
@@thelastgogeta Gundam Versus and Extreme VS Force didn't failed. It did what it was meant to do, give the rest of the world a Gundam Extreme VS game while the devs working on Gundam Extreme VS got time to properly develop Gundam Extreme VS 2 for arcade and properly port Gundam Extreme VS Maxi Boost On to console (the team that does Extreme VS is not big, they're only like 8-12 people).
@@WatcherMovie008 I didn't say that Vs Force failed, but that it would be worth mentioning every game that officially came to the west. (Basically make a video on Gundam Versus PS4 and be sure to mention a few key games) I understand the metric of "didn't fail by Bamco's standards" but Gundam Versus is a game that is looked at with disdain as far as I can tell and it wasn't a cheap experiment to make a new engine when they could have continued to port half a decade old Extreme Vs games as usual. www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2017/07/13/gundam-versus-tops-the-japanese-game-charts-but-the-fan-reaction-is-mixed/ www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2020/08/08/gundam-extreme-versus-maxiboost-on-has-topped-the-japanese-charts-ousting-animal-crossing-new-horizons/ If we only judged games on whether the company was happy with the stalling tactics, that would be pretty dull.
@@thelastgogeta I feel Versus' greatest drawback was the lack of roster choice which I'm sure Bamco knew would of gotten a negative response. I mean I'm glad that Versus added grunt suits from MSG to CCA being playable, but it was barely only like 1-3 suits per series, and comparing to removing G Gundam, Gundam X, Wing EW, Seed Destiny, and 00 S2, it wasn't worth the trade off. Some grunt suits weren't even that good tbh (why would you want to play the Hi-Zack of all things?). Yeah we got G Gundam back as DLC, but they should of been there from the start. I can understand AGE being DLC as they were the newest series to be added once Bandai got the rights to AGE back after the loan agreement with Studio-5 expired. I say the only thing I miss from Versus that I wish Maxi Boost On kept was Garret's Zaku I, Gundam Mudrock, White Dingo's GM Sniper II, and the mighty Doug Efreet.
@@WatcherMovie008 I'm not really a player of Gundam VS, my brother plays it a lot and I follow FGC folks who mention it sometimes besides a few small channels that focus on it. My assumption for the problems would include the roster but also balance due to assists being detached from characters. It doesn't have reviews from fans on GameFAQs (neither does MBON) so I'd probably need to be on Discord or Twitch to learn what people (don't) like in detail.
To be fair, Nintendo has other games in the series that they want to promote. I get if you're a melee person and you want to be able to play it over other versions, but at least you know you will get Smash Bros support in the future. That is not guaranteed for Marvel fans...
I feel like unless the next MvC game uses the mechanics from MvCI, MvCI will be the 3rd strike of the VS series, because if you think about it, SF3 did what MvCI did in terms of giving legacy functions to new characters and it didn't really sell too well back in the day, but now it's regarded as the pinnacle of fighting game prowess.of course MvCI isn't as complex as 3rd Strike, but the way tag-assist works in MvCI just hits different
I didn't watch this video yet so I'm going to assume this video isn't nearly 20 mins of what I already know with another condescending attitude that won't shut up the function statement EDIT: This video is legitimately better than most MVC I criticism videos. Incredibly well done
It'd be interesting to see you guys make a video about Dissidia NT and how its console/global release flopped super hard when it was considered the most popular game in JP arcades for a good while. Even over the likes of Gundam.
I hope the Vs series comes back someday, it doesn't even have to be with Marvel. I remember how happy (and confused) I was at the time of Tatsunoko Vs Capcom but I ended up loving that game.
I honestly... when people were saying in the video "What's wrong with Chun-li's face" i didnt really notice much of a difference. It was still cartooney and stuff.
The problem is that Marvel is too big. Disney is too big. It’s not as simple as it once was because they have too many chefs working on too many different dishes. The IP’s are the ingredients and you have to share. Plus, it costs money. They want to make a profit over pleasing fans. The only way I can see it happening, a sequel, is if all the stars align. [x]
The gameplay in MVCI was soooo damn good me personally the best gameplay in the seris but the subpar base roster and the graphics is what killed it.. if they make another one they gotta bring back MVCI gameplay the tag system worked so damn well in the game
8:35 He never said the relationships between the characters and players weren't real or their memories faked, it was obvious he was implying that even though they could not get fan favorites because of reasons out of their control there would at least be a character that can stand in and feels as most similar as possible to those player's memories I'm really surprised to see you put words into his mouth and validating people's bullying of him because they're mad their favorite characters aren't (and impossible to be) in the game. Isn't this twisting his words and injuring his reputation? I am appalled
I’m guessing Marvel 3 dissapeared from EVO because of licensing cost from Disney since apparently that’s why Infinite wasn’t there. So Infinite’s failure isn’t directly responsible.
Other companies can do the same thing but we wanna buy marvel vs capcom not the 20 dollar games that have all the functions with a whole new story n characters
The collector's edition for this game was a joke. You got plastic easter eggs instead of nice-looking infinity stones. Did Capcom think everyone was blind?
The rise started with the trailer and ended with the title reveal. We got hype to see mega man and sigma and then we saw it was a filler game and knew immediately it was gonna be trash
Im a huge gamer, but come on. Fighters ARE just their functions... are you telling me that you'd still use Scorpion in MK1 if he was trash? No one 'mains' a shit character for real if they are a serious player. It sounds cringe as fuck when you try to tie some sentimental, personality choice reason for picking a character. Get real. Meta is meta. "disrespectful" lmao that was embarrassing.
Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to allow people to completely change someone else's controller layout in a tournament, in a fighting game, a genre where someone's personal control scheme is paramount to how they play and succeed. Literally what the fuck, who thought that was a good idea.
Being one of those people in the audience when it was announced at PSX I was so damn excited. Was so disappointed to see the end product turn out that way, not even the gameplay was fully enjoyable because of those stupid stones.
Do you guys want to see a follow-up video about how MVCI as an esport has persisted in spite of its rough launch year?
Yes
Yes please. That would be great
Capcom ruined this game, but people still play it. Steam numbers are sad though
100%
@@adcrengar9877 I think you meant Disney ruined mvci
i don’t think it’s what “capcom did”... but rather what “marvel did/didn’t allow”
Yeah, that's the case. Cause in MVC3 Capcom HAD to fight A lot with Marvel to get some of these characters like She hulk and Taskmaster etc since they are not part of the mcu
This is true for something like the roster, but the trash visuals and terrible marketing/release schedule is totally on Capcom and their budget. If they spent more and delayed the game for a more inspired look, it could've at least been an attractive buy. Even if they had the fox owned characters( at the time), the game would still look like doo doo and die.
@@PKdororo i think the marketing should be a fault that is shared... visuals & mechanics falls on capcom
@@PKdororo it would not. The fact you say that shows how little you actually know shit.
The gameplay was the best.
The characters EVERYONE HAS BEEN SAYING is what's lacking. If it had the characters. It would have sold much better 🙄
@@The_WIll_OF_D99 Haha. Looks like I hit a nerve. Notice how I said nothing about the gameplay. That's because yeah, I agree the gameplay is good. Which I think supports my argument. The game is good, so what killed it? Oh yeah. The trash visuals, bad marketing, and shitty content. Fighters was the better package at the time. Better gameplay? Debatable. But the game was polished, had good marketing, and decent content at launch.
Blame Disney.
They tend to ruin ips that weren't originally theirs.
@No Name what about captain marvel
@@linkisoptrmm While fine on its own if you ignored all the controversies...
Yeah no that's pretty much it.
@No Name They ruined my child hood hero...Iron Man Jr.
Yep. (Thinks back to spectacular spiderman)
@@linkisoptrmm yeah captain marvel wasn't groundbreaking but it was pretty good
Wow this is an actual esports channel. That talks about all different genres of games and not JUST mobas and shooters like THE SCORE. I’m liking and subbing all these videos from now on.
Right!?
E sports 🤣🤣
Score is so awful. No I don't want to hear about s1mple's sniper throw every fucking video
@@KillaSmit20789 I mean. The prize pools are getting pretty big now and at least you don't get a reputation for being a rich snob off it
I almost forgot EVO existed because of TheScore.
The worst part about mvci? Strip it down to the gameplay mechanics and its FANTASTIC. The game is a blast and has so much depth, but everything around it was such a failure that it could not be appreciated properly. Some things that weren't discussed in this video:
1. DLC announced before the game was released angered a lot of people especially because the main roster was already so scarce.
2. The collectors edition was a complete embarrassment. It came with "infinity stones" that were literally colored eggs. Like ones you fill with candy on Easter. I believe the collectors edition was an extra $60.
3. Capcom failed to advertise/give incentive to attend grand finals of their infinity stone tournament. Watching the top 8 battle it out in an empty hotel banquet hall was super awkward, especially when Cloud was crowned the winner to absolutely 0 applause.
I believe capcom did their absolute best considering how good the core gameplay actually was. Disney probably gave this project 0 priority resulting in low budget, low communication, and only wanted a project done by a specific date.
This is so true. After getting into both MVCI and Dragonball, I think MVCI is clearly the better game from a gameplay standpoint. Sadly everything else around it caused it to fail before it even released. Sad story smh.
Looked horrendous to look at, and it was blatantly obvious that it one one big mcu advertisement and that alone pretty much affected everything that wasn't gameplay
It shows how much the devs really cared about this game (they didn't)
Well, technically all this franchise started because of advertisement, the X-Men were the most popular Marvel super hero Team in the 90's and the first entry was COTA (or XVSF, if you don't count COTA).
@@adcrengar9877 Well, the characters part isn't their fault, but the graphics part it is.
i think my biggest complaint is that they didn't bring the comic book cell-shading from umvc3
There is cell shading in the coding, sadly Marvel wanted the game to be more like MCU and use realism.
Fox never owned the characters, they just owned the film rights to those characters.
Disney still held the rights for most of the characters in games (I think sony still owns the game rights to Spider-Man) so if they wanted to they could have included them in infinite. The reason they chose not to is because they considered using those characters in other media as essentially advertising for fox's films. Same reason they stopped writing fantastic 4 comics.
Sony doesn’t own the video game rights to Spider-Man, they just pay for the license, same situation as Fox (was).
@@lennywright5655 you're right, they only own the film rights.
And Xmen
Marvel has been doing this with a lot of IPs they sold the filming rights for. Essentially making something worthless so they can scoop it back up and start over.
i dont know how/why people get that idea wrong so often. movie rights, tv rights, video game rights, comics rights etc etc are all each completely independent from each other
First Marvel Vs Capcom, now Marvel’s Avengers. Damn Marvel really hasn’t gotten the hang of video games lately.
Ultimate Alliance 3 and Spider-Man did well.
@@Hawkingbird1 spider-man was technically Sony, and Ultimate Alliance 2 was made over a decade ago. Yes Ultimate Alliance 3 was made recently, but was got so-so audience acclaim.
@@ryanjstannard If it ends bad blame Marvel but it's good praise the publisher? Is that it?
@@Hawkingbird1 I don’t know why you think I’m praising the publishers? I never claimed Activision was responsible for making Ultimate Alliance 2 a great game. 🙄
I’d say Insomniac worked their asses off to make Spider-man PS4. But Disney’s bum ass still meddled since earlier this year, they changed Peter’s face to look more like Tom Holland. It’s off putting as FUCK because of how young he looks now.
People always ask "when's mahvel" but never "how's mahvel" 😔
I’ll do you one better “Why’s mahvel”
Old meme lol
Where's Mahvel?
no one cares anymore
as a pokemon fan, the "they're just functions" statement hit differently no thanks to Sword and Shield.
Ugh, reminding myself of the game triggers me.
Thank God they brought back my bois in DLCs
@@vovabars1234 Don't those cost like 40 bucks each? Is $40 really worth getting some Pokemon that should've been in the original release?
@@helloill672 you dont have to pay for the dlc to be able to get them, you can still trade them in, you just cant catch them in the wild
@@CalmEnergy2125 True, but it still would be less convenient. It's like one of those high end prizes in games. Technically you can get it if you grind, but it was really ment to be bought with in world money
Saw this video just when i started getting into mvci:
There is actually a very active , albeit smaller, scene for mvci. people has tried the game when it was on sale, and kind of came out of the stereotypes of the graphics and bad story mode: the majority of the competitive cast cared more about gameplay then the story, and the graphics, while not being great by all means, were slick enough to not become distracting or constantly reminding.
regarding the cast, it was a give and take: we got several, new and awesome newcomers such as the aforementioned X, Sigma, Thanos, Nova and others, even though some fan favorite ones didn't make it, especially x-men characters. When regarding the gameplay, it is actually quite good - there are less centralizing characters then umvc3, and the majority of the cast is at least playable. combos can still be long, and the game is still hard, but it does a good job slicking the learning curve for newcomers. The infinity stones, while sometimes being niche, are actually quite an interesting mechanic, as it can affect your playstyle and gameplan orientation more then the characters you choose in some cases.
I am not going to say MvCI was an overall great game: it clearly lacked overall as a game, and the budget or effort put into it was definitely smaller than in past entries. However, it's still has a fun gameplay, featuring cool newcomers, interesting mechanics, great online and a secretly active community.
I get what your saying, but Nova isn’t new. He was in UMvC3.
oh, my bad then lol. of course, there is no problem with prefering dfbz or umvc3 over infinite, just thought it would be cool to show the other side of the story @nikhil bhavani
@@lightknight1599 ye sorry if my language isnt the best, not a native speaker :/.
fixed it now
Did you know
Bubble boy was in MSH and MvC2
Oops, forgot his name was Thanos
I never get tired of the retelling of this game's failure.
Just glad Capcom didn't try to call it MvC4
@ThirtyfourEC
I think there would've been a massive eruption of rage of which would have made recovery impossible had they done so.
Incels keep crying. You killed your own favorite game
IT'S MARVEL, BABY!
NEXT YEAR FASHO, BABY!
Is it? 😒
@@b9morion Thats what they said last time too...
@@PlausiblyBryce Boy that's just crazy
Man. It feels like EVERYONE wants to make a "Why Marvel VS Capcom Infinite failed" video.
Yeah, I was weary about watching this since Stumblebee and Maximilian already did a good job but this one gets bonus points for interviewing members of the scene and showing where they have gone with UMVC3.
This one of those dead horses ppl like to keep beating🤔
@@rastas_4221 no doubt
Also seems like EVERYONE loves to bitch about EVERYTHING
@@salbundy2451 too true
I love how every year a different RUclips channel makes a video about this subject. I hope we get a new one on 2021.
Ok guys prepare your bets,who is beating the dead horse next year!?
@@GamerTowerDX Core A Gaming.
@@GamerTowerDX Sajam
NerdSlayer presents: Death of a Game Marvel vs Capcom Infinite
Marvel should just make their own game, they don't need capcom anymore
And vice-versa of course.
They wanted it to fail. They knew if it was good enough, we'd all leave SFV'S trash ass.
Not to mention the MvC before it was simply too good to follow up on
A pretty neat coverage of the history of Marvel vs Capcom Infinite with a decent usage of clips throughout. I knew a lot of the development stuff regarding the game but the interview clips with Brutal Democracy (think that was his name), the hilarious sounding Battle for the Stones tournament and the post-revival of Marvel vs Capcom 3 were all new to me. Fantastic job on this fascinating video!
This game broke my heart.
The hype isn't mvc3, it's in mvc2, this whole video just hides it and doesn't even talk about mvc2.
MvC3 is though, and unlike 2 you have way more tournament viable characters. Not saying 2 isn't hype but you're full of it if you think 3 isn't especially seeing as it just pulled in an over 30,000 viewer tournament on twitch.
When people think mvc they think of 2. Truly one of the last great arcade games. Capcom doesn't release it again because it would of taken infinites thunder away big time..
@@sleazyfellow People who grew up with arcades think of 2 especially since that's the start of the fighting game dark ages where no new fighting games were really being made by capcom so the only games people really were playing on a competitive level were 3rd strike and MvC2 especially in america. In 2008 SFIV was released and was such a big success it completely revived the Fighting game genre and the FGC to the point that EVO was able to grow to the level it did. Ignoring tatsunoko due to WII exclusive, MvC3 released in 2011 as the FGC was Growing to the heights that it has reached today and has created some of the biggest FGC personalities and rivalries in the communities history with the added effect due too the success of twitch and youtube. Most people who play Fighting games today weren't around during MvC2 as that game was made 20 years ago and was only available to most people in arcades and for a short period of time on Xbox Arcade and Whatever PSN was called on the PS3. Reality is most people haven't played MvC2, which isn't to say it's a bad game just an effect of it being hard to get legally. The fact that most people haven't played it could lead to really high sales though if marvel and disney ever allowed it to be sold again and if it does happen we could see a resurgence in the game again.
All in all though fuck Marvel Infinite.
@@jkt3sc it didn't only come out on the ps3 psn and xbox arcade for the 360. I had mvc2 on multiple systems, for the dreamcast first and foremost, then ps2, then on the 360... I'd buy it again if it was available on the modern systems. Throw in the powerstone collection and I'd buy that again too. Fighting games might of had a comeback but it's nothing compared to those early to mid 90s days, every time I'd visit an arcade there'd be something new.
@@sleazyfellow True on ps2 and xbox my mind ignored them due to fightsticks my bad although not till 2003 in NA, dreamcast wasn't owned by most people though. Again though MvC2 was created in the 2000's not mid 90's, a time where everyone was in awe of the graphics of the ps2 and xbox, and DVD's became the new medium for Movies and TV. Kids in this era generally were playing split screen shooters like Halo, GTA, sports games, etc and when they would go to the arcade they would again play 3D games just off the top of my head games like time crisis, artic thunder they weren't playing 2D fighting games especially so much that the game engraved in there heads. The only Fighting games being played in most peoples houses were all 3D fighters like soul caliber, tekken they were realistic, gritty, ton of content, and great to just pass a controller around without actually trying to get gud. If MvC2 came out during those mid 90's then yes it would be better known to people, but it didn't it came out during a period were everyone owned a ps2 and an xbox and the last thing they wanted was a sprite based game.
Keef was right: BlazBlue wasnt out, it succeeded at first, but now, with the addition of Adachi, who I absolutely wanted, that shit died like MVCI
Ikr, BBTAG’s new characters are cool, I guess, but dang the game isn’t really fun for me anymore
Had a longer shelf live though
MVCI: "Welcome to the club"
Avengers: "Well, ..."
how fitting this is posted the day after the MVC3 Lives Twitch Rivals event. It's always mahvel time baybee
"Boy That's Just Crazy!"
I like Marvel but when he said Blazblue Cross Tag Battle I shot out of my seat.
Heck forget Cross Tag Battle I never thought I'd ever hear him say Blazblue. I personally would love for a touch upon the Blazblue series. Whether its Cross Tag Battle or Centralfiction. I guess it would have to be BBTag because it's most recent.
But damn that or a video on Undernight In-Birth.
BBTag was the death blow because it was a 2v2 fighting game just like MvCi.
Essentially, people who were upset at MvCi could play DBFZ if they wanted to play something more like classic MvC, and could play BBTag if they wanted to try out this 2v2 fighter thing.
(Don't quote me on any of that; I was never a fan of MvC, so I don't actually know what MvC fans thought of BBTag. This is just a sequence of events that makes sense to me.)
None of which is to say that MvCi is a bad game, or that BBTag is obviously superior, because that's not the case: MvCi may be no masterpiece, but it's an alright game. And while I may prefer BBTag, it's no masterpiece either, just ok.
Me over here still waiting for an update for over a year
Under night would interesting
I like how you go for Max's reaction clips if you need one, pretty reliable source of raw hype. xD
I think he over does it and is overrated
@@angelove3712 and it's his job, so it's not entirely genuine (he worked for the KI reboot just to name one)
Is Max really enjoyable? Tried to get into watching him back in MvC3 days but he felt too "gamer" for me over the time I've been watching him. Might just be because he's the opposite of the FGC guys that I have watched before that have completely different audiences. Props to him for staying this long though. Lots of the FGC guys I'm talking about are nowhere to be found now outside of tournaments.
@@math001 he's not for everyone but I've been watching him for a long time. He's tone down some since those days, you might enjoy his content more now depending on what you look for in fighting game content. I recommend his streams personally if you have any interest.
@@abandonedaccount3864 Tekken is the only fighting game I'm playing right now. Maybe I'll get back into watching him once SFVI and MvC4 drops. Watched the recent UMvC3 tournament that he hosted and I like that he brought back his iconic cosplay characters from back then.
If there's the only game you can play, MVCI is solid, that happened in a place I worked at, we asked for UMVC3 but got Infinite instead becuase of a clerical error, since we couldn't bring our own games we settled for Infinite and it was good, but it also felt like learning an useless skill because outside our office's break room, no one played the game.
I don't care if it's based on MCU the X-Men built this franchise and they got rid of them
"Swiss cheese swiss cheese swiss cheese", Wolverine (Marvel vs. Capcom 3)
The greatest "buff" of all time. Lol
3:33 dood was soooooooo happy.
But little did he know his expectations would run low.😂
I don't know why it fail, but I know why you'll succeed. Keep up the great work
@ I don't know
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My first thought was “there was a rise????”
Dead serious, I remember that line. All these characters are just "functions". Holy fuck. When I heard that was their "excuse" for not including X-Men/Fantastic Four/etc, I fucking blew it. I had been following the Disney Marvel scene for some time after the acquisition. I saw what they did to the X-Men in the comics as they tried to replace them, ruin some of the best characters, and basically sent the Fantastic Four behind the shed never to be seen unless they wanted to drive up sales. I saw how they started removing these characters from games and there'd be less and less of them. But this? This was one of the opportunities to put bullshit business aside and give the fans what they want.. Instead, they spat in our faces, and this is what was the result of that. Oh the amount of fanboys who defended this game after the trailers, saying how it wasn't a big deal, etc etc, oh my, yeah, they'd still probably defend this game even now.
Personally, I stopped playing many fighting games after it became far too expensive to support. I recently bought SC6 cause' they had a good deal and I got to get back into a franchise I enjoyed in my teens. I can't say the same thing for FighterZ, it's way too expensive, and I never catch sales. Meanwhile Tekken 7 has a complete edition which is a flat price with all content, no bullshit, no confusion, pay one price, get all the content. Other games just don't do that anymore which makes it so difficult for people to even want to get into these games now, especially those who care about cosmetics. Like, you are literally staring at the character you enjoy playing as ALL DAY LONG, ofcourse you should care about cosmetics!
Anyway, yeah, this game brought out a lot of bad blood for me, as a long time Marvel fan who has been jaded and apathetic for years, this really did make me feel at least something for a franchise I once I enjoyed. I'll give Ultimate Alliance 3 some credit here, atleast they gave us the characters we wanted via DLC like the Fantastic Four.
*"With many considering MvC2, to be one of the best fighting games of all time"*
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* CvS2 fans raise their collective eyebrow *
The fuck is a CvS2?
The Millenium Fighting 2001 is about to begin. Hardcore fans have been eagerly anticipating this event and now the waiting is finally over. Check your training wheels at the door, ladies and gentlemen. This is gonna be one incredible battle that won't easily be forgotten. The time has come when the new history is going to unfold. You can feel the intensity in the air as the hopes, dreams, and hearts of these warriors are about to be put to the ultimate test of skill. What they are after is the title of the world's strongest. Now, are you ready to get it on?
@@chiptuna8292 rofl that's what I thought as well.
Edit: Oh it's Capcom VS SNK 2 lol
@@Fooza05 I still have no idea what that is.
Lol stop
People sure did love complaining about X character not being playable when 80% wouldve left them to rot anyways if they were low tier lol.
Matcherino here, ty so much for the shoutout! We're fortunate to be apart of these amazing communities and help support the players! 💪
My 2 sons & I have been playing MvC (the first one) for awhile now and recently we came across the 3rd one at a local game store, bought it and loved it. Then I found MvCI cheap on the playstation store & bought it for 9.99, thinking I got it for a great price. Played it and we immediately didn't care for it. Even my 4 year old when he saw the roster to MvCI was like "where's Magneto?" The 9.99 I paid then began to feel like I paid too much now. I found the 3rd one again but the ultimate edition & got that for another 9.99 and upon playing it I had this sense of feeling like "ah, this is more like it." I hope we get another version restored to its original glory one day but for now, My kids & I will be on MvC3 Ultimate!!
The reason due to x men and fantastic 4 characters being excluded was't due to fox owning the rights as fox only owned the movie rights but game rights still belonged to marvel it's just that marvel did't want to essentially give free advertising to fox hence why the x men and fantastic 4 had been absent in so many comics and games
X-Men comics were very popular around then. i think they were Marvel's best selling comics around that time so they def werent missing there
Just wanted to post Liam Robertson video. Capcom is clearly the ones who basically straved this game of funding giving it less than half the budget of sfv dlc so it's no wonder that this game flop and it deserved to flop. Here's a link to the video ruclips.net/video/3kanICweLFM/видео.html
Well the video you linked said a lot about it floping
I knew from the moment they said that there would be equal control and input that Disney was going to control everything and was just going to be a watered down version of UMVC3
A Marvel vs Capcom game without Wolverine, is like Street Fighter without Akuma and Mortal Kombat without Reptile.....
This game was so fun and it was the MVC game that made me wanna go back and give UMVC3 a try, but all the fun mechanics and sick looking combos couldn’t save this game from a roster that most people considered to be lacking, as well as the bad press that it got from the “characters as functions” comment. I still revisit it for an arcade run with Venom and Spider-man from time to time, only to remember that this game doesn’t even have arcade endings. It’s a damn shame it came out this way. It has good gameplay, it’s just lacking nearly everywhere else.
Touching to see the MVC community following the steps of the Melee community. Marvel Versus Capcom Infinite is basically the Brawl of Smash. And the 2 communities had the same love for the previous instalment. Tragic that things turned out that way but inspirational for other fighting communities which would suffer from that situation.
Brawl is no where near as bad as MVCI
I don't think it's better honestly. Competitive Brawl was very bad. But that's not the point. I was just pointing out the fact that these games had a similar story and impact in their respective franchise.
@@coreytrevor1920 you mean to say mvci is nowhere near as bad as brawl.
cause mvci actualyl has fun gameplay
@@coreytrevor1920Single player content and visuals yes Brawl absolutely bodies, but competitive/multiplayer? Hell no
I liked because our boi Mighty Kief was in it
You know what's hilarious. Keef was right, BBTag did flop, but at least it made it's mark by gatekeeping MvC:I.
It was garbage. Gate keep 🤣🤣🤣
Yo thank you so much for this video. UMVC3 is one of the games I played the most growing up and I didn't know about the mod and newer scene. After hearing about it, I may just have to take the plunge.
What annoys me most about MvCI is Marvel still could’ve used the X-Men/FF characters if they wanted, Fox just owned movie rights. :/
If MvC was serious about a comeback, take Smash Ultimate as example, “Everyone’s Here!!” + more characters.
Guaranteed best selling Marvel vs Capcom by a long shot! (If they nail art style and gameplay)
I'm not 100% sure about this but from a video I completely forgot about covered a post saying that mvc3 would have not some characters had Capcom not faught for the characters
Disney didn't allow those characters to be used in anything because they considered it free advertisement for the Fox movies. That's why there weren't even Fantastic 4 comic books being made.
Disney's greedy like that.
I think a couple of things should be mentioned. MvCI was doing well in the competitive arena until it was announced that it wasn't going to be at Evo. Tekken 7 and SF5 were the only games getting more numbers than it. After they announced no Evo, numbers dropped dramatically. It really felt like a snub when DBFZ and BBTAG got in Evo when they weren't even out yet. And BBTAG also had a lot of controversy behind it. It's very strange that MvCI didn't get in while KOF14 got in twice even though it looked worse.
And the functions thing was taken way out of hand. When you look at MvC2, Sentinel was the most picked character. But when MvC3 came out, no one played him because he wasn't good. Doom became the most popular MvC3 character even though he wasn't popular in MvC2. And you say people practice with the same characters for years and decades doesn't mean much when everything changes between games. Iron Man has been in almost every Marvel game but he plays different in every game. And up until MvCI, Wolverine was the only character who was in every Marvel game. So the rosters change every in game. There's no way some someone could play the same character for the whole series unless they play Wolverine, Chun, and Ryu. But no one ever complained about that. Fighting game players are used to switching characters. The rosters change a lot in most games. Look at the rosters for GG, SF, MvC, MK, and KOF. They change dramatically with each release. Only a few characters actually make it into every entry.
MvCI's failure always struck me as weird. It seems like people wanted it to fail from every angle. And in these videos, one major thing I find missing is the actual MvCI community. There is one and they run tournaments. MvCI isn't as dead as people make it out to be. I think it's important to acknowledge them because they have put a lot of work into it and have plenty of hype matches. And we should build them up rather than tearing down the game they play.
It’s funny. I really enjoying watching your videos covering the history of eSports even though I have no interest in watching eSports and don’t enjoy competitive gaming in general. Well done!
Protip: Don't take away core aspects of a beloved franchise.
You should cover BBTAG/BBCF History that would be such a cool video
The biggest reason for me why I wasn't interested in infinite was no X-Men.
It was essentially a movie tie-in down to the tournament structure, there I saved ya some time
13:35 “They were going to revive ULTIMATE MARVELS VS CAPCOM 3 “ *proceeds to show FATE OF TWO WORLDS*
Yep.
This is the comment I was lookin' for!
They had rights to the characters, but chose to make a MCU game instead of MvC game effectively ruining almost every single reason people stuck with the games. They changed the art style and made it worse, they changed the gameplay with infinity stones and made it worse, they changed the character line up and made it worse, then they did the worst thing of all: let's tell the fans that their connections to the characters are actually superficial and it's their fault why they don't like the game. Yeah, that'll work.
Yeah it was a huge mistake not having any mutants whatsoever when they’re a staple to the franchise.
There's this one unique fighting game I want you to look into! It's Mobile Suit Gundam Extreme Versus Maxi Boost ON for PS4! While looking like another typical arena fighter, the game breaks the mold by going for a single screen, 2 on 2 fighting game with over 185 characters to choose from, all of whom are unique from one another. Not to mention this game uses the Gundam IP and has been going on since for 20 years with the release of Mobile Suit Gundam Federation Versus Zeon for Arcades and PS2. The game is considered a staple in game centers in Japan, have a official tournament scene called "PREMIUM DOGFIGHT" and in 2010, won the No. 1 arcade game of Japan at one point.
The first Extreme Versus game iteration, in particular, has a Linkin Park song "The Catalyst" as the game's opening song, as they too were Gundam fans. Maxiboost ON is the first Extreme Versus game released worldwide ever since its inception in 2010, but current player numbers are sadly dropping. Rank and casual matches are dead and what remains are casual players new to the game and a rag tag group that is the EXVS Community. They also have their own reddit page!
Please look into it @Akshon Esports
I'm sure it will happen at some point. Gundam Versus (the first PS4 game) is a "why it failed" story waiting to happen and he can talk about how MBON or other games too.
The Vita game which was the first one in the west is probably worth a mention.
@@thelastgogeta Gundam Versus and Extreme VS Force didn't failed. It did what it was meant to do, give the rest of the world a Gundam Extreme VS game while the devs working on Gundam Extreme VS got time to properly develop Gundam Extreme VS 2 for arcade and properly port Gundam Extreme VS Maxi Boost On to console (the team that does Extreme VS is not big, they're only like 8-12 people).
@@WatcherMovie008 I didn't say that Vs Force failed, but that it would be worth mentioning every game that officially came to the west.
(Basically make a video on Gundam Versus PS4 and be sure to mention a few key games)
I understand the metric of "didn't fail by Bamco's standards" but Gundam Versus is a game that is looked at with disdain as far as I can tell and it wasn't a cheap experiment to make a new engine when they could have continued to port half a decade old Extreme Vs games as usual.
www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2017/07/13/gundam-versus-tops-the-japanese-game-charts-but-the-fan-reaction-is-mixed/
www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2020/08/08/gundam-extreme-versus-maxiboost-on-has-topped-the-japanese-charts-ousting-animal-crossing-new-horizons/
If we only judged games on whether the company was happy with the stalling tactics, that would be pretty dull.
@@thelastgogeta I feel Versus' greatest drawback was the lack of roster choice which I'm sure Bamco knew would of gotten a negative response. I mean I'm glad that Versus added grunt suits from MSG to CCA being playable, but it was barely only like 1-3 suits per series, and comparing to removing G Gundam, Gundam X, Wing EW, Seed Destiny, and 00 S2, it wasn't worth the trade off. Some grunt suits weren't even that good tbh (why would you want to play the Hi-Zack of all things?). Yeah we got G Gundam back as DLC, but they should of been there from the start. I can understand AGE being DLC as they were the newest series to be added once Bandai got the rights to AGE back after the loan agreement with Studio-5 expired. I say the only thing I miss from Versus that I wish Maxi Boost On kept was Garret's Zaku I, Gundam Mudrock, White Dingo's GM Sniper II, and the mighty Doug Efreet.
@@WatcherMovie008 I'm not really a player of Gundam VS, my brother plays it a lot and I follow FGC folks who mention it sometimes besides a few small channels that focus on it.
My assumption for the problems would include the roster but also balance due to assists being detached from characters. It doesn't have reviews from fans on GameFAQs (neither does MBON) so I'd probably need to be on Discord or Twitch to learn what people (don't) like in detail.
Hey, least Disney didn't PURPOSLY try to kill the game
(12:33
Bottom middle)
To be fair, Nintendo has other games in the series that they want to promote. I get if you're a melee person and you want to be able to play it over other versions, but at least you know you will get Smash Bros support in the future. That is not guaranteed for Marvel fans...
I feel like unless the next MvC game uses the mechanics from MvCI, MvCI will be the 3rd strike of the VS series, because if you think about it, SF3 did what MvCI did in terms of giving legacy functions to new characters and it didn't really sell too well back in the day, but now it's regarded as the pinnacle of fighting game prowess.of course MvCI isn't as complex as 3rd Strike, but the way tag-assist works in MvCI just hits different
😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣 hell naw
I didn't watch this video yet so I'm going to assume this video isn't nearly 20 mins of what I already know with another condescending attitude that won't shut up the function statement
EDIT:
This video is legitimately better than most MVC I criticism videos.
Incredibly well done
It failed because they didn't want to fix the problems that was happening to the game. I want to see carnage in this game.
3 words: No X-Men
X-Men doesnt count as two words because it's a whole name.
If you wanted three words it would be this.
No X Men
@@xmarksthespot1372 Correction: 2 words. No X-Men
Amazing video!! You should cover more things in the fgc. Maybe make one about guilty gear?
It'd be interesting to see you guys make a video about Dissidia NT and how its console/global release flopped super hard when it was considered the most popular game in JP arcades for a good while. Even over the likes of Gundam.
Ok, so here's a game we can play, which channel is gonna make another video essay next year, explaining why MCVI died.
I hope the Vs series comes back someday, it doesn't even have to be with Marvel. I remember how happy (and confused) I was at the time of Tatsunoko Vs Capcom but I ended up loving that game.
It better.
I honestly... when people were saying in the video "What's wrong with Chun-li's face" i didnt really notice much of a difference. It was still cartooney and stuff.
Maybe Chun Li’s face is secretly a reference to that SF anime movie where they look equally ridiculous, lol
7:13 I’m guessing he’s not allowed to throw Disney under the bus so this is probably the best thing he could have said.
MVCI had a rise?
MVC COLLECTION WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
YEEEEEEEAAAAHHHHH
Underrated channel. Quality content. Keep it up!
Fandom can ruin or break almost anything. The game is good. I can't believe how much fandom helped sink it.
Goes to show how bad PR and marketing can fuck shit up.
And umvc 3 is coming back again in a EVO :)
It's such a shame as well, mvci plays and flows so well. It's one of the most "feels right" fg's.
UMVC3 is back at Evo 2023
Mighty keef is in the video :0
Boy that's just crazy
The problem is that Marvel is too big. Disney is too big. It’s not as simple as it once was because they have too many chefs working on too many different dishes. The IP’s are the ingredients and you have to share. Plus, it costs money.
They want to make a profit over pleasing fans. The only way I can see it happening, a sequel, is if all the stars align. [x]
The gameplay in MVCI was soooo damn good me personally the best gameplay in the seris but the subpar base roster and the graphics is what killed it.. if they make another one they gotta bring back MVCI gameplay the tag system worked so damn well in the game
Fk no, mvc2.5 or nothing
FighterZ "fan service"
The poor number of characters that would multiply by the double with dlcs
UMVC3 is still bringing the hype in 2023 with it being at EVO’s main stage
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He never said the relationships between the characters and players weren't real or their memories faked, it was obvious he was implying that even though they could not get fan favorites because of reasons out of their control there would at least be a character that can stand in and feels as most similar as possible to those player's memories
I'm really surprised to see you put words into his mouth and validating people's bullying of him because they're mad their favorite characters aren't (and impossible to be) in the game. Isn't this twisting his words and injuring his reputation? I am appalled
Oh my god I was playing this game right now!
I’m guessing Marvel 3 dissapeared from EVO because of licensing cost from Disney since apparently that’s why Infinite wasn’t there. So Infinite’s failure isn’t directly responsible.
Other companies can do the same thing but we wanna buy marvel vs capcom not the 20 dollar games that have all the functions with a whole new story n characters
The collector's edition for this game was a joke. You got plastic easter eggs instead of nice-looking infinity stones. Did Capcom think everyone was blind?
The rise started with the trailer and ended with the title reveal. We got hype to see mega man and sigma and then we saw it was a filler game and knew immediately it was gonna be trash
Im a huge gamer, but come on. Fighters ARE just their functions... are you telling me that you'd still use Scorpion in MK1 if he was trash? No one 'mains' a shit character for real if they are a serious player. It sounds cringe as fuck when you try to tie some sentimental, personality choice reason for picking a character. Get real. Meta is meta. "disrespectful" lmao that was embarrassing.
Marvel vs Capcom killed itself and dragon ball fighter z coffin danced it all the way to the mausoleum
How about the story of Killer Instinct?
I don't think it was ever a rise
Rise makes the assumption that people didn’t drown this game from the jump...
...can’t blame them though
Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to allow people to completely change someone else's controller layout in a tournament, in a fighting game, a genre where someone's personal control scheme is paramount to how they play and succeed.
Literally what the fuck, who thought that was a good idea.
We all hope there’s another mvc game for next gens with x men. (Maybe even a roster like 2)?
I'm still triggered by how badly this flopped. How could they fuck up the Marvel brand so bad!?!??!
No X-Men including Gambit, my favorite
No Deadpool
No way I’m spending money on this
The real reason MVCI fell off was because they removed Phoenix Wright from the roster
Being one of those people in the audience when it was announced at PSX I was so damn excited. Was so disappointed to see the end product turn out that way, not even the gameplay was fully enjoyable because of those stupid stones.
13:30 inb4 they shut it down like nintendo did with slippy
Nintendo shut down the tournament, not the use of slippy itself
Honestly, I don't mind Chun-li's face.