The Fighting Game With More Spam Than Spam® - Rise And Fall Of Injustice
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- Опубликовано: 31 янв 2022
- Ever wanted to see a fighting game where Batman could beat up on Superman? Where Lex Luthor could fight Zod?
Where the Joker, somehow, could go toe to toe with Darkseid? You’re not alone. This is why today, we’re going to be looking at a fighting game series that pitted some of the most iconic superheroes and villains against each other. A game that featured some of the biggest prize pools in the history of fighting games. And a franchise that ended up being destroyed by its own development cycle.
This is the DC Comics fighting game: This, is Injustice
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It really sucks because the game also has amazing grapplers and rushdown characters, but the zoning is so overwhelming
What is zoning ?
@@robertrogers074 Characters that like to keep their opponents far away from them, with 2 main styles.
1. Projectile based, using guns or fireballs to create a moving attack that their opponent needs to move around, or block so they can approach the zoner to attack. some examples would include "Deathstroke", "Dr.Fate" or "Guile" from street fighter
2. Normal Based, using big long limbs/swords/other weapons that cover a large portion of the screen. Some examples include "Axl Low" from guilty gear, or "Dhalsim" from street fighter
@@TheNewGuy5271 thank you, I did that with injustice deathstroke. I didn't know that had a name. 😂
maybe inj3 will fix it
Capt cold main here
I wholeheartedly agree with a big grin on my face
Injustice 2, casually, is an awesome game. One of my favourites of all time.
Me too
Same. I love 2
Such a great game. The combo system was so fun. I used to spend so much time in Practice making random combos. Playing online was a nightmare tho RIP
Oof that old delay based net code, I agree practising combos is very fun and addictive.
Edit-He said injustice net code was good? get out it was and is trash.
@@5izzy557 I think he had it confused with Injustice 2’s netcode
@@5izzy557 Maybe it wasn't the net code.
@@itsceerby This would make sense.
Absolutely not, wired 7 ping and high up and down, wasn't me. Ask anyone that played this game, they will know.
"Injustice was a pretty good game. People stopped playing it because the next Mortal Kombat came out. Mortal Kombat X was pretty good, but then Injustice 2 came out so people played that instead. Injustice 2 was a pretty good game. People hoped we would play it longer, but then Mortal Kombat 11 came out."
😅🤣🤣🤣 nice.
Only proves that people just jump on the new hot thing, and that is all
Injustice 3 after MK1 confirmed.
Injustice2 way better than the shitty mk11
@@kingol4801not me
I must say, the comic series that followed the video games, set just before the time of each video game, were incredible. Some of the best stories DC has ever done. It's not a "batman punches superman because child fantasy" stuff, but rather it respects the comic's history, characters and personalities of all the heroes and villains and puts them in such an amazing "what if". Highly recommended to read.
That's because Tom Taylor wrote the first half of the Injustice 1 comics and all of the Injustice 2 comics. The dude loves DC's characters, and writes his story to the characters, and not the characters to the story.
@@irishjet2687 🤣 damn didn't have to come at marvel like that..but what you speak is facts.
Good ol' Tom Taylor. Everything he writes is amazing.
No way lol, they nerfed superman, mm, green lantern by a ton just so batman could stand a chance- even the author admitted it not to mention the disrespect nightwing got. its far from good
It is fire wish the movie followed it tighter but the movie still kool but the way Shazam died in the game then arrow in the comics damn bro shit crazy
Had tons of fun playing the first Injustice with my friends in school and getting caught for it haha. We knew the game wasn't balance but we had fun using our favorite characters and spamming combos we knew how to use.
Same here man! Great memories!
how'd you play it in school?
switch? steam?
@@crazyd4ve875maybe psvita, or school computers
My closest achievement to Injustice 1 is almost beating a Deathstroke spamming his guns using Nightwing combos online
edit: always double check grammar
Did you mean your "greatest" achievement?
@@AvalonisHere closest is accurate. It was almost successful.
@@nikhilbhavani981 But how is beating a deathstroke with a nightwing "close to" Injustice 1? That doesn't scan.
@@AvalonisHere it’s probably just bad grammar, so I just drew a conclusion based on what I thought they were trying to say.
@@AvalonisHere the poster meant the achievement he almost got in injustice 1 was him beating a spamming Deathstroke
One of my favorite fighting game I ever played. I'll always remember the tournament RUclips made to show off the game combos.
*games
The Injustice series was peak NRS for me. Cool combos, cool characters, and a neat story. Unfortunately, INJ2 lost me with its gear system and the fact that the stats count in online. It’s like being a pro player and losing bc your weapon isn’t lvl 100.
Thats what the balance setting was for...
@@mynameismattfirered9276 if the other guy wants that. Most of the time, they don't. Their gears carry them it's BS.
@@cherryjubilee5201 thats true actually yeah. You can always stalemate them cause if you open the menu, you cant start the game until you close it so you can just coax them into doing it.
Competitive online play negates gear stats and abilities
I know abt the setting but I don’t play competitive. And even if I wanted to in regular online, it takes the other guy to select it.
I don't remember the netcode for injustice 1 being good, all I remember is 1 million connection lost screens as the 1st round starts then kicked back to menu.
I don’t think NRS started using Rollback until MK X, you’re probably right
Injustice 2 is probably my favorite fighting game of all time. Idc that it could get spammy at times, but the core of the game, mechanics and storymode was just great for me.
Right on. This game was hot 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥.
Tru
Story is the only real redeeming factor of the game, the screen being so huge, interactables, and stage transitions were annoying because scrubs and noobs do nothing but look like they have no idea of what they’re doing and spamming
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@@dboii9741 cap
They receive complaints about zoning in the first game and decided to make a SHIT TON of full zoning characters in the next one, in which movement was basically nonexistent
Yes. Because zoning is a feature of Netherrealm games.
If you don’t like it, go play something else. But their games employ zoning to it’s fullest, because that is a good design choice.
Rock paper scissors. Zoners punish rushdowns. Rushdowns punish mixed character and mixed character punish zoners.
@@kingol4801Me when I ignore the point of the comment
Injustice is amazing and many people love it. Whenever Injustice 3 comes hopefully zoning gets tweaked but people will still be hyped.
The combo system needs to be overhauled.
@@philithegamer8265what exactly do u mean?
@@LeonardoStupidKenwayno zoning
@@steezuschrist0999 what does zoning have to do with a combo overhaul?
That last line of "Until Injustice make its inevitable return" gave me goosebumps. Your writer really deserves a raise
What's inevitable about its return? Games die all the time it's very possible we never get another sequel
@@okene Injustice will definitely get a sequel. Netherrealm knows people want it, but said nothing about a sequel due to them working on MK1.
@@LunrFoxjust so your aware injustice 3 was scrapped FOR mk1 they probably realized mortal kombat is just more profitable and injustice just ain’t worth the time 🤷♂️.
@@ballaxx3150 Pretty sure Ed Boon said the next game is gonna be an Injustice game though, they would be stupid to scrap such a popular game lol
@@davidepoian9758 nope it’s mk1 I understand you saying it’s a waste but it’s just how the world is im sure there is a justifiable reasoning behind it.
"The series would see a resurgence in the next years"
Sir... i have some bad news...
Wait what happened???
Injustice 1 did not have good netcode. NRS games didn't until MK XL, which is the expansion to the game that came right after.
I remember having a great time with the story mode and casual play with friends back then, it just wasn't that exciting for me to go any further than that.
Janky, slow movement with fast projectiles is a really weird combination for NRS to put in all their games.
yeah...i'm one minute into the video and i'm already pulling my hair out at some of the statements. Injustice is my favorite game of all time but keeping it real: the netcode was trash.
Lmao Injustice 1 even had region locked online for certain consoles because the netcode was so shit.
@@ericthescruffy Yeah the lagfest in conjunction with the Deathstroke' barrage of bullets was not so fun...
@@1366Erik nah, deathstroke was fine. I'll take online deathstroke anyway versus a competent Aquaman or Manhunter.
@@ericthescruffy ugh Manhunter...
I still remember the days of Deadshot and Aquaman mirror matches. Killed the hype way too early imo
It would be cool if there WAS a cooldown for doing a certain character move. Then it would decrease spamming
I mean there is for trait, but yeah, that could definitely freak out the spammers when they actually have to learn combos and pressure
Granblue fantasy versus did this, and yeah it kinda worked
Damn this game definitely… has… attack animations…
Unreal engine 3 will do that to ya rip
Check out sugar punch productions if you’re looking for some commiseration on that subject lol
Fence kicks ahoy
@@jamesayewale5695 that has norhing to do with Unreal engine. Netherrealm just doesn't know how to animate for a fighting game.
Sugarpunch design works
I remember when this game first came out. I was very excited about it since it had Harley as a playable character before she became more popular with the release of Suicide Squad. She has always been my favorite DC villain.
you must really happy with the harley quinn show
Yeah and injustice literally made Aquaman cool everybody used to shit on Aquaman until injustice came out
@@JoseCuervo11 LMAO!!! Facts nigga. Aquaman finally getting the respect he deserves.
The fighting system and characters in Injustice is crazy good, it's just that zoning exists.
Playing this game with friends is an absolute blast.
I wish more fighting games had zoning.
Especially if every character had Deadshot/Starfire level of zoning.
Those are the BEST kinds of fighting games, in my opinion.
@@kingol4801zoning is the worst fighting game mechanic / style of fighting. Hmmm yes let me remove the fighting and turn the game into an obstacle dodging simulator until you get close enough for some fighting to happen, before it resets and you're dodging stuff again
@@kingol4801Second time I see you defending fireball zoning in the comments. Are you LowTierGod’s alt account?
I enjoyed both ...waited on 3 but gotta rebooted MK instead
I still play injustice 2 to this day, not competitively or anything, I just play it to collect loot for my favorite characters and turn my brain off while watching youtube
Dude, I do the same thing :) Although zoning is total cancer, the combo system and unlocking new moves for characters feels great
@@haydenfisher1387 Yea I agree, I thought smash zoning was bad but this games is a lot worse imo (but that might be cuz most of my friends are casuals and when i’m not playing locally i’m playing with CPUs)
@@haydenfisher1387 is the spam in IJ2 just as bad like the one in IJ1 as it was shown in the video?
8:36
Love how the tanktop dude just decided to fall over
I remember my first time playing online. First match was against aqua man he spammed the same move over and over and I think next was against sinestro and he did same exact thing. Last time I played online.
skill issue
@@ZangetsuDDR Harsh
Lol all this time playing Injustice (casually) and I completely missunderstood the clash system, I thought it was a rock, paper, scissors mechanic.
I love that you included the clip of Conan typing on a fightstick LOL
Just writing to say that I've been watching your backlog of videos and I'm very impressed. Thank you for your work!
Fighting games should never have rpg-like mechanics. The gear system is a horrible idea for a competitive fighting game. It’s absolutely silly to lock a character’s move set behind loot crates. The first game was much better in this regard.
If they're going to put RPG mechanics in, it should be its own mode.
Like, some older PS1/Saturn ports of Capcom fighters, as well as a couple older Dragon Ball games had a mode where you took a character, and leveled them up through fights and training, essentially allowing you to make them completely broken, but it was all just for fun. You weren't going to be using your custom in tournaments, but it was always a neat thing to fuck with on the side.
But really, NRS should have kept loot boxes to cosmetics. Or just give us normal costumes, instead.
4:54 man just gets carried away like a cape
i absolute loved injustice 2 , the ONLY game i havnt stopped playing even after all these years and as a Darkseid main i love they put him in injustice 2
To this day, Injustice 2 is one of my favorite fighting games. It has its flaws, but I enjoy it so much.
My video!!! Thank you so much Akshon for taking my constant spam in suggestions and making it a video!
The first fighting that introduced me to fighting games. Back in 2013 I would always accompany my brother to his friend's house on Fridays and we would play a bunch of games on his 360. With the stack of cases I picked out injustice and the cover looked so cool. I knew the dc characters because my brother love dc stuff and I ask my brothers friend if we could play it. We played it and it was so much fun. I used doomsday as my first character and since I didn't know how to play fighting games back then it was all button mashing and it was so enjoyable seeing my character do cool moves and random combos. I am glad injustice was the first fighting game I've ever played and sparked my interest in the genre.
I wanted to get into these games, but Mortal Kombat X and both the Injustice games taught me that I was not meant to play Nether Realm style fighting games. I am happy they have such a large fanbase though!
why did i laugh at “gods among us” because of the “among us” i think my humour is broken
Ed Boon: We're working on MK12.
Me: Didn't MK 11 just come out?
Injustice 3 will come. I believe.
Thought he was gonna crap on injustice, because I really like those games.
As far as the release cycle is concerned, they’re other factors at play here.
NRS is licensed to make Injustice, other gaming companies also have DC license, like the new Suicide Squad game, and the Gotham Knights game, the last thing these companies want to do is compete against each other with the same product.
It’s best to let each have their own spotlight for more profits, or it defeats the purpose of making these games.
It would not matter. Injustice is a great game no matter what anyone says!!!!
There's an error in the intro. Injustice doesn't "Pivot" characters against each other. It "Pits" characters against each other. Now you know!
My favourite thing about injustice are the salt compilations spawned by the projectile spam
Somehow even with a shoestring budget Nick All Stars still managed to make better gameplay animations than NRS. That’s how low the bar is.
OUCH
XD
not by much though lol
KEK
Yeeeah no
wrong injustice 2 is twice as better nick looks clunky as heck.
I could never play a Netherealm game until they get their act together in the animation department. They don't look like their characters are trained fighters, more like they're randomly flailing. They honestly look bugged, but no that's just how they made it.
"Polish" is the one thing (hyperbole, there's lots of others too) they just can't do right.
A tradition even since the Midway games lol
I agree up to a point. Mk11 looks pretty damn good.
@@Dark_Soulfulwut do u think about the animations in mk1?
The guy falling off his chair at 8:36 just got me fkd up 🤣🤣😅
I just noticed that in Injustice 1, Lex Luthor looks like Bruce Willis lol
8:36 Lol the dude falling over in the background.
you could say the series has been done injustice
“Make some noise!”
-Tasty Steve
Injustice felt just s stiff and linear as other nrs games, so it was never really my cup of tea, but it's always sad when a FG dies
Linear? Like, the gameplay was linear? The heck is that even supposed to mean?
been waiting YEARS for an analysis on these games
I absolutely adored Injustice, and thought Mortal Kombat was disgusting and just not for me. I suck at fighting games, and could never get my head around even a single combo consistently, but still had a blast with the game. Hope they bring it back someday.
You can do it, I believe in you. A lot of the time you can go from light to medium to heavy and then do a special and it’ll connect. Nothing crazy but it works.
@@cooldude6269 I appreciate your belief, but nah I can’t do it I’m afraid 😂 I spent like, 50 hours with it practicing and playing online but it wasn’t happening
@@worldsboss I don’t play NRS but in like anime fighters or something it should work so my advice might just not work for Injustice
Also apparently the buffer is weird according to a different comment so it might just be that the timing is fucked
@@cooldude6269 yeah you have to dial in combos pretty weird imo.
Thanks for the vid
I've got 500+ hours in Injustice 2. It's my most played game after WoW.
0:34 I know I have been ruined by the internet when my only thought is "sus"
Love your videos covering different fighting games! Hopefully you guys make a video about Persona 4 Arena.
People online play this game like their being held at gunpoint
I've wanted an Injustice 3 for so long, ONLY because there's a chance of Bluebird being a playable character after getting cut from the 2nd games launch roster.
Unfortunately, I really doubt it. Sadly, she's become a very minor character in Batman stories, and she wasn't even that prevalent when Scott Snyder (her creator) was writing them.
The day u get bluebird in a fighting game is the day I see Cassandra Cain in a fighting game. Which ain’t likely
@@irishjet2687 i am fully aware, but goddamnit, there was fckin CONCEPT ART. If Batman Who Laughs can get an alt skin in MK, ive faith
@@ayeh2309 man, she should've been an alt for Batgirl in Injustice one
@@Lynch2507 ong I’m mad they don’t ever use her
Both games sold very well. The profits were used to make more NRS games, including mortal kombatg 11 and now soon to be released Mortal Kombat 1. They didn't fall or fail.
You can argue all you want about why aspects of the games were bad all day. Ult Doesn't matter if no one ever plays Injustice ever again and is looked at as terrible games 20 yrs from now. Ultimately videogames are made to make profit and make more videogames. It's a terribly stupid system but that's how the gaming industry works.
“The fighting game that has more spam than Spam” lol that’s some creative funny titling
lmao the infamous General Zod vs Lex Luthor match
I remember being at the midnight release for this at GameStop and they rented out a game truck just for this game. My first match was against this older guy and I was a young teen (13-14). I won and I still remember that fondly 😂
This game had a lot of momentum, especially since it was a great era of Marvel movies w
I used to zone spam with deathstroke. Now I zone spam with Dr Fate.
Injustice's stagnation is what happens when a fighting game filled with projectiles has no usable air block. For the love of god, if you are making a fighting game that has multiple projectiles in it you NEED an air block or the projectiles need to have very limited uses.
the bad thing about this is whenever i got into a match people kept disconnecting
Injustice 2 got me into fighting games.
this was about spam for like 20 seconds
hey that's me @ 3:30 lmao
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Injustice and good netcode? In what parallel universe do you live? I still vividly remember the laggy deathstrokes like it was yesterday.
I lowkey hated Injustice Gods Among Us, haha, but Injustice 2 was great. The first one felt so slow in comparison. And the UI was so much better in the 2nd game.
Some of the character models looked straight up ugly in injustice, so the second one was a much welcomed graphical improvement
@@soapbiter36577and the regime skins... They looked so bad.
The only game where the tie in comic become just as or even more popular then the game
2 years late but NRS loves zoning. They did my boy Sub-zero Dirty in MK1. Fuck... I MISS MIDWAY
I feel like Deathstroke in Gods Among Us is so emblematic of the strengths and weaknesses of Injustice as a whole
An incredibly fun rushdown with satisfying combos and animations with far too effective zoning that completely negates the need to use any of his rushdown tools
Injustice 1 and 2 were the best Fighting games, waiting for Injustice 3.
One thing worth noting is that the Injustice Gods Among us Mobile game is incredible and still very active with players
Harley Quinn Main here: Personally, I loved the game for quite a long time, and it has such a great campaign and a good multiplayer experience. Played it with a few friends and we all enjoyed it for a while. Tbh I miss it now haha
This is *Wha* *Happun's* when you make zoning meta two times in a row.
What killed it wasn’t just its development cycle. It was also it huge zonner problems. A problem that continued into mk11. Mk1 has yet to release so we don’t know if zonners are still going to be an issue
Still my favorite fighting game of all time. Injustice 2 was ., LOVE
Folks are still playing IJ2. It's still a great game.
HYPEEE LOVE THIS GAME❤❤ maybe a bit less OP zoning like dont give zoners asafe wake up etc
Another great video. I wonder why it is that the community so readily moves on every few years, when games like MVC2, Skullgirls, or even SF Third Strike continue to have active communities. Maybe you could make a video on that 👀
> The netcode was not good. It was crap and we knew it back then.
> the game was not balanced at all. Nowdays we talk about how infamous it was and how many 8-2s and 7-3s were in it.
> Sonic was not “the new kid in the block”. He was already an established top MK9 player.
> The only people complaining about “spam” were mid to low level online-only players. You had exceptions like the Lex vs Zod on hitbox MU but most characters could deal with zoning just fine, if you weren’t playing in underwater delay-based netcode.
> lol Im in the bg of like 3 clips lololol
I keep getting shot by deadshot everytime I try to combo him up close. Especially because my main is all about combos.
Good. Btw the injustice 2 revival discord is very populated and very active. Just make sure you are on PS4 to take part in tournaments.
That’s good to know
Injustice gods among us mobile is how got into fighting games
NRS makes good games, but bad fighters, meaning it's fun to enjoy the story, unlock stuff and goof around in, but trying to take their games seriously will only lead to frustration, and that's for Injustice and Mortal Kombat. Funny moment here, one day I had youtube on autoplay, and I heard a bunch of random "spammy" noises, and I said to myself, "This must be a random Injustice 2 match."....and it was lol.
"ZORT, ZORT, TELEPORT WHOOSH SOUND x 2, PHEW, PHEW!!"
As someone who spent quite a bit of time with INJ 1 back in the day, it definitely did not have good netcode lol.
Akshon knew what they were doing by calling Injustice 1 "Gods Among Us"
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Yeah the franchise isn’t dead, they had 2 successful titles, they just fizzled after a couple years as most do.
Now the title injustice has a new meaning 😂😂😂
i am still suprised that the server of injustice 1 mobile are still up
Omg thank god u made this 😃
Netherelm games just always felt stiff for me. Especially injustice. I only played them for fun. Just couldn’t get into them on a competitive level.
I remeber i had enough money for 1 game when this dropped lol i dont really likr fighting games but my friends were hyped so i picked it up.... Best Gaming night we ever had... Taking turns we played for like 2 or 3 days.
Bro this is one of my favourite games, superman is my fav character.
The game with more spam than a Weird Al song.
They can use those money for making the fighting animation better,no more fence punching
I want another Injustice game but they need to do more and add something to make it stand out more.
I wanted netherrealm to release alterning between MK and Injustice, it's a good time to rest from a franchise to another.
but because of the leaks, I believe that we'll get MK 12 first. whatever for me, because I'm a huge fan from both games, but I would prefer them to announce Injustice 3 first
I also think it helps keep the game alive even after the competitive scene dies, like why would I buy MK11 now if MK12 is supposedly coming out in a year or so? Better to just save up and buy the new one.
I was expecting something like poor work conditions or controversial mechanics. But no it seems the game has just run its course and we wait for the cycle to continue with another sequel
Injustice 2 customization is what brings me back tbh