7 Unwinnable Boss Fights You Could Actually Beat If You Were Diligent Enough
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Final Fantasy has featured quite a few unwinnable boss fights over the years, but some of them are actually winnable! It's those fights we're running through in this video!
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If you are diligent enough - you can defeat your boss irl too. You can do it!
I cast Vanish on myself all the time at work. Never thought about Vanish/X-Zone-ing my boss though. I'll let you know how that goes...
My boss and I have scrapped before. I had youth on my side. Now I'm 37. He's 46. We have been working together for 11 years.
You CAN win. You just still lose.
Technically you can defeat your boss irl, but the next scene will still play out as a scripted loss as you are then fired and arrested 😂
Use the stapler, it has an improved crit rate
The strategy is to become their boss and then fire them.
A great example of this is in ChronoTrigger where you can beat Lavos at times and places where you normally aren't supposed to, with special endings to go with each. You can, for example, use the gate in the bucket to defeat Lavos as soon as you get to the end of time, without ever dealing with Magus, meeting Ayla, or assembling the masamune for Frog. New Game+ makes this one trivially easy. Less well known is that you can defeat Lavos during the Ocean Palace disaster. It's probably the toughest time to fight Lavos, but there's a cool ending if you do it.
That's a IF since even at lv 60 on a first run with the best BUYABLE armors odds are its opening move will still hit for 999 damage before you get 1 attack off HECK AT LV 60 with the Prism Helms on the entire party its opening attack STILL hits for like 750 damage a turn but so can the REST of its moves on a NG+ run at the Ocean Palace while having 3x a much HP.
Never change, Vegh... Never change.
I managed an instance of beating a boss meant to be unwinnable in Nexomon, that being the very first fight with Ziegler. You can't even use items in that fight, so not only do you have to grind, but you also need to be lucky enough to stunlock him.
Still didn't change the cutscene.
@@Nathan_Talisien How is he still around, cancering up random youtube comment sections? He's been ruining forums for a good 30 years now and is STILL GOING?
@@Milktube To quote Babe Ruth in, "The Sandlot"...
"Legends never die, kid."
😋
The serpent in ffvii is such a great example of a boss meant to be unbeatable at the time, simply to force the players to get a chocobo
Tell that to young me, who really wanted that spell on my enemy skill....
@@JesseHenderson-xc2kgthe skill is "Beta" which only defeats players that are its namesake, jk
midgarsorm ?
Correct but it can truely NEVER die unlike all the bosses on this video that stay dead IF you can kill them.
Young me after seeing the Midgar Zolom impaled on a tree by Sephiroth: ummm...I'm going back to the farm 😮
Based on difficulty I'd say the first Demon Wall in FFXII is much harder than Ba'gamnan's crew, given the very short time limit, Telega removing one party member from the fight, and it silencing/sleeping/blinding the party constantly, so you kinda have to be "overpowered" to punch through all that fast enough. Ba'gamnan's crew are pretty straightforward to fight, and can be silenced to prevent many of their abilities.
Agreed
dude FUCK THAT DEMON WALL i almost beat it once but i know that if i had made a different choice earlier than i could... i was just too low level barely
Quickening chain my guy. 😏 They are easy to find on the licenses board. Head for them first.
based on that answer, you're not a real gamer. It's undead 🙄 throw a fuckin Phoenix Down at it
Reflect>Target all Aero works very well, but legit is pretty hard!
When I played the PC version of FFVIII, my disc 1 was scratched and would always freeze up during the cutscene where Quistis guns down the X-ATM092. So I dedicated myself to beating it, by playing a lot of triple triad in the early game to junction Tornado (from Abyss worm cards) to Squall's Strength and Thundaga (from Blitz cards) to elemental attack. This allowed Squall to deal thousands of damage with each hit and quickly deplete the boss's HP multiple times in one fight. It was only later that I found out I could have also avoided the Quistis cutscene by hiding in cafe, but at least I had an overpowered Squall for the rest of the disk!
You could also be super OP before even beating Ifrit by grinding to draw magic from all outside enemies to 100. Then after junctioning to raise stats go and grind the T-Rex for a bit.
Slight offtopic, but when I was a kid my older brother and I rented the PSX version of FF VIII and this exact problem happened at the start of disc 2, when the prison started to rise. There was no way to skip that cutscene that we knew of... We had to wait until we could buy an original copy.
@@ppmguire It's way faster and more efficient to just Refine cards, drawing spells from enemies it's more of a clutch than the main method, FF VIII would probably have a better reputation if they pushed the Refine system more than the Draw on field. As the OP said, you could just refine abyss and junction that to ATK to break the game, and you can do that before Ifrit in a number of ways, it takes slight less than an hour to unlock everything necessary.
@ppmguire
Level grinding is the worst thing in FFVIII
All enemies are [party's average level] *[.8-1.2] they also gain stats at a faster rate than the heroes.
Unless you really want to grind like hell for the item drips or use the tonberry money trick, so you can get max stats, it's best to wait until getting all the ___ lvl up options before grinding up so your stats actually level up near the same as them and actually be at their level
Primal liquid did a video on this
that FMV scene of Quistis alone worth not to destroyed the darned spider robot.
It was foundational... foundational
When I first played FF8, I thought you were SUPPOSE to beat that robot, and I did beat it, I didn't even know about that cut scene till WAY later when I replayed the game again a few years later and decided to just run
That's why she's the Queen of FF games.
But I tend to FARM it for the 50 AP constantly BELOW BLOWING it up on the FINAL screen on the PS4 remaster I do NOT need LV 60+ GF's to blow it up just turn on the GOD mode cheat give Squall a high enough Str and have him LIMIT break it to death.
@@Th3BlackLotuslol, no
An honorable mention should be the shell part of the Whelk/Ymir 1st boss in Final Fantasy 6. You're only supposed to attack the head to defeat it, and if you attack the shell, it deals a nasty electrical counterattack. However, after a while it runs out of MP to cast it, and with unlimited healing from your Magitek Armor, you can use TekMissile with Terra and the different beams with Biggs/Wedge. You only get a pitiful tincture/ether for your efforts, but it's technically possible.
I actually did beat it when I played it on the SNES, I thought you were suppose to, and I was pretty apt at reading the screen prompts along with later in the fight, predicting when to not attack it because I knew it would "hide" its head in it's shell
BUT that shell almost has much HP as the MAGIC Master boss at least 60,000 that its NOT worth it.
@@MrEli768Don't lie brother. The shell has 60,000 health and you have to know it's able to run out of MP, and notice that it has done so. It takes multiple hours to kill it.
Still not worth it.
Possible video idea: "7 Most Rewarding Optional Areas". Areas, towns, etc. that the game does not direct you to through normal gameplay, that you have to find via exploration. Examples include the Omega Ruins of FFX, Daguerreo from FFIX, etc.
Baaj temple ffx, the Zartinan caverns ffxii, the crashed sub ffvii. It could be a fun list. FFXII has a bit of a weird one in the fact that a lot of the locations you got to has optional returns or are prompted by the hunt system but FFX could fill up a list on its own probably with the two we mentioned, Reminum temple, temple of the lost faith, the cactura village and probably more I can't recall at this time. Would be an intriguing list
Gongaga
@@beebajazz That one's a bit murky, since you do actually go to Gongaga in the main story at one point, after Aerith leaves the party following the events at the Temple of the Ancients.
I like places that expand the story/world building and also give a nice benefit for the player.
FF 1-6 either don't remember or haven't played.
FF7 would probably be Wutai, I have to imagine. Important to the world-building and gives a character, but you might never even enter it if you aren't exploring iirc. As far as I remember, while you're told Wutai exists and maybe its general area, you'd have to find it and nothing tells you to go there?
FF8 I honestly don't remember the game enough for this.
FF9 - Confession... I've never gotten past disc 1...
FFX I'd actually do the Cavern of the Stolen Fayth. You have to stumble upon it, and it's really cool in a bunch of ways. The crusader training ground just outside it, which is fun world building. The story for Lulu. The story for the Fayth. Yojimbo and having to hire him. Etc. As far as I can remember, nothing in the game ever directs you down there. Second to that, I would do Remiem Temple. But the story around Belgamine isn't as compelling as the one for Lulu. And the Magus sisters are cool, but Yojimbo is awesome (and can one-shot some of the hardest bosses in the game). Also, if the theme is exploration, you do get told that Remiem temple is nearby iirc, where the Cavern of the Stolen Fayth is pure exploration.
FF11 - Actually most of the game would qualify for this, since it wasn't a directive game. MOST things were found through player exploration and experimentation, including unlocks for all of the jobs. Plus the prime summon enemies, I think? Etc.
FF12 has a bunch of optional areas. So maybe the Necrohol of Nabudis. Very nice world building in that, and in the original it was where the Zodiac Spear was, and it's where an Esper is. But I think hunts will send you there, so depends on our classification on what directs players.
FF13 has two optional areas you'd find from exploration, though you'd be led there by hunts. So same general issue as before.
FF14 - nothing I can think of that really qualifies outside of just being fun world-building environments. I can't think of anything I'd really qualify, especially since quests get put on the minimap. But maybe Eureka would sorta qualify though, since you have to learn by doing/exploring in Eureka if you don't use a guide. You'd be directed to go to Eureka Anemos though. But without a guide you'd have to discover by trial/error/exploration what you need to progress further. But you are told that there's future stuff/goals, so I dunno that I'd really include this.
FF15 - 95% of the game is optional, including most of the tombs, so IDK what to do with that.
FF16 - I'm only 85% through it, so I dunno what comes later, but nothing really comes to mind. I enjoy exploring the maps for some world building and such, but I don't think I've really found anything "secret" that I wasn't sent to by a hunt. Or, maybe another way to put it, I've found some hidden gems that I ASSUME will be locations for future hunts because there's nothing to do there. There's a mansion in the woods near the prison fort place, for instance.
All I am hearing is this needs to happen
Wait, we were supposed to run from Ba'Gamnan? I thought it was a "you have to beat this tough boss to progress" fight. He was hard, but not unreasonably so as a straight boss fight.
nah ur supposed to run but if u have protect and shell he's an absolute fucking joke there.
@@codyfranczak4493 First time you face the Boba Fett of Ivalice,you are at best at level 9 or 10 if you don't grind with the wraiths. Even if you use Protect and/or Shell,he and his mens are at level 25-30 if I remember well (the original PS2 release I'm talking). You've another opportunity far later into the game if you make the Hunts as he will put a fake one to trick you into a trap and while he and his mens does level up a little bit,you are more powerful that they at that point. The end result is that Ba'Gamnan ends up "dying" like Boba Fett,by getting eaten by a monster on the sands.
Same😂
I always took them out, but only because i would farm a good amount on the bridge with all the skeletons to up my chain to max lol
Same! I just kicked his ass without too much trouble, but then I always grind and farm everything way too much
One does not simply beat a lv130 Feral Chaos with a lv1 Lightning.
Not with that attitude
It's incredibly hard it seems unbelievable, but it's possible.
Of course not simply. There's nothing simple about it.
I had a roommate who did it once after an all nighter--there is evil there that does not sleep.
Her derision at everyone and everything that isn't her sister automatically makes her invincible 😂
Though I've heard it said that you can calm the valkyrie's wrath if you take her to a Louie Vutton store...
8:19 that spider can be farmed for 50AP. I forget how much damage needs to be done. But it’s not awarded for specifically killing it. I got a lot of the 50ap/100ap abilities learnt this way.
FF8 is the most broken if you know what you’re doing.
Its such a totally different style of game when it comes to "how to get strong". I feel like it overcomplicated things which introduced all these ways to break it. But boy was I salty as a long time ff gamer to learn that grinding to 100 is NOT, in fact, the best way to get uber powerful. Every one of these games back then was built with areas you could go to quickly farm a huge level boost or max them out. The dino head shaped forest in 6, that plain above the grotto in 9, there were tons of them, some more secret than others. 8 had iirc, the island closest to heaven/hell with one being high exp the other being high ap. Its been so long since I played I may be wrong.
Maaaan they DROPPED THE BALL with Dissidia. All we wanted was Duodecim with NT's graphics.
I’m still so upset at NT. I remember pre-ordering it and being filled with so much excitement. Woe unto me once the game had released…….
I wanted NT to be good. Instead, we got a game where you had 3-on-3 fights, no actual story mode, and you had grind out points to unlock cutscenes. It was arguably worse than FF13
@@AdiG1 dude I know! Gone were the personal one on one confrontations. None of the battles felt like there was any purpose behind them. The game felt like a grind just to get 5 seconds of a fmv sequence that you would have to purchase just to get any "story". And don’t get me started on the damn moogle. "Press square to do an hp attack, kupo!"
NT had none of the soul left in dissidia. It’s a shame that they will never do another one and all we have left are the first two locked away on the psp.
My brother in Christ I share your pain.
NT sucked balls and is a tragedy we won't get a proper duodecim on console.
One of the main reasons to beat the Spider Boss in FF8 is because he has a 25% chance to drop a Force Armlet, which is the only one you can get on disc 1 if you're trying to create everybody's ultimate weapon (except Irvine's) on the first disc.
actually I NEVER used the Force Armlet even with that owned you still need at least 1 Energy Crystal for Rinoa's Ultimate besides when Always fighting Diablos AT LVS OVER 30 to Draw Flare/Holy off of it theirs only 2 CURRENT GFs that boost your MAGIC stat so that draw never fails.
So in order to a 3rd PARTY member to NEVER fail to Draw Flare/Holy off of it you actually HAD to use the Force Armlet IT may drop since the 40% Magic effect WOULD be required to have all 3 party members drain Flare/Holy off of it while NOT having the Draw command FAIL to work against it.
@@veghesther3204 I think you can get an energy crystal from Elvoret if you're high enough level. If you're trying to boost magic for drawing, you should be able to get Double from Elvoret which should allow you to junction high enough to be able to draw anything, or I feel like there was a way to get at least a small amount of Demi early on before Diablos, like with cards maybe. If you have a bit of Demi junctioned to magic, you can draw the rest from Diablos and your draws will get stronger as you fill up.
Notice how Beatrix was mentioned, but not on the list. She's just that good.
she can't die anyways I could use the always do 9999 damage PS4 remaster cheat on and she still can't die and still will reduce the party to 1 HP left while you still won't get EXP from those battles.
@@veghesther3204 That's Beatrix for you. Not even cheats could put her down.
Correct and that applies to EVERY fight where the always do 9999 damage cheat still can't KILL her for exp including the DISC 2 fights against her.
@@veghesther3204 shes just that good. She could probably solo the final boss.
I've literally never run from Bagamnan in 12. I kind of have a habit of overleveling.
I remember Deadeye. My first time playing, I did nothing but side quests. Wanted to explore the world and got stupidly overleveled.
Thinking I was 71 by Chapter 3? So by the time this fight came around, I beat him senseless. Didn't know until this video he was supposed to be unwinnable LOL
I actually defeated the FF8 one and, when I was a kid trying out emulators for the first time I actually got into a stalemate against Bahamut in NES FF3. I healed enough and had enough potions to survive, but the damage output was never enough. I spent a really long time just wasting my resources until I realized I had to run so I just loaded a savestate
Admit it, that Lightning vs Feral Chaos stunt was the first time you ever wanted to rip the Pom Pom off a Moogle.
I shall not. I've wanted to do that LONG before this moment.
i wanted to do that in FF9. DAMMIT ARTEMICION, CAUSE OF YOU I NEED TO DELIVER ALL THESE DAMN LETTERS!
That feeling would reach new heights with FF7 Rebirth.
That moogle is the save moogle from ff9, just wanting retribution.
...Beating Feral Chaos at the very start of Dissidia Duodecim should just take you straight to the credits AT THE VERY LEAST :P
Thank you so much for all of your awesome videos!!!!
Not sure why the FF8 spider mech boss is even on here. That one was always an optional kill, which is why it gave good rewards for doing so. It's basically the reward for taking the time to get all available magic before that point to 100.
And tbh, a person with enough time on their hands could straight up steamroll the game anyway by magic grinding and even getting an ultimate weapon or two on disk 1
Cards? Lol. @@DarkFrozenDepths
@@xaby996 you have to grind quite a bit of points just to unlock card mod but yeah, cards are the fastest way
Me: *grinds Seifer to level 100 to get access to -aga spells without relying on Card Mod*
I won't even do THAT I'll lv up Squal/Quistis BOTH to lvs over 30 BEFORE fighting Ifrite to do that AND do the same for Zell/Selphie as well.
That lvl 1 Lightning vs Feral Chaos feels impossible without the enhanced dodge skills that give your dodges the extra distance. All the times I've tried it, I always get caught at the end of the dodge because FC's attacks take up so much of the arena. I can do a lot of the single character challenges against him at the end of the last story where you're supposed to fight him with up to five characters, but that lvl 1 fight is something else.
A bit sad about Feral Chaos, as I was always kind of curious as to what would happen if you won there. I mean, unlike other seemingly impossible bosses on the list Dissidia set that encounter up to deliberately troll the player, so of course some will want to Dark Souls their way through it. They could have at least given those player some kind of scripted reaction.
One common quirk of Final Fantasy games is that the developers don't put anything in to acknowledge beating battles that are intended to be unwinnable. They probably feel like it'd disrupt the flow of the story or something, idk.
@@qactustick same issue in Valkyrie Profile, you still get a game over after beating Freya.
XII's optional bosses are easily handled with a good enough quickening chain.
About the FF8 one, it was well-known you could beat that machine with Quetzalcoatl, and was not considered unbeatable. In fact, you get a bonus for beating it, and the timer imposed on you was no longer a factor. The very first time you fight him is "unwinnable" though because you can't destroy it fully then
Super sad to see the developers never gave special reward for doing the impossible on most of the boss fights :( weirdly I killed the robot not understanding I was supposed to run away.
So, I know it's unrelated to the video itself, but thinking of bugs in VI, my best friend was playing VI on his computer and had both Reflect and Vanish on his party thanks to summons. Then when his opponent tried to cast a spell, the immunity afforded by Reflect and the guaranteed hit from Vanish conflicted and his game crashed so hard he couldn't get it to start up again for a couple days.
He never tried doing it on a cartridge of the game for fear it would somehow brick the cartridge.
I have fought unwinnable scripted boss fights only to find out it wasn't actually unwinnable.
FFXII - I think the first Demon Wall was similar to the robot spider in FFVIII in that you're not really meant to beat it, but the game is scripted so that you can and you actually get a reward of the Demon Sword if you do.
Enjoyed this video, whenever I encountered one, I always wondered if an “unwinnable” fight was truly unwinnable.
The ff8 one is the one I distinctly remember doing as a kid. It felt like too much of a failure of a mission if you didn't beat it.
I often don't count scripted losses when it comes to these - You know, the ones where a cutscene plays after a certain turn count, like the Beatrix fights.
I've never lost the Ba'gamnan encounter, not once, it took me searching a guide on the internet to learn most people struggled with them
Deadeye is unfit for this list, though, as finding Ramuh to defeat him is the whole point of the demo.
What about the catoblepas they added with the update for the demo? I'm sure there's a way to beat it, but I never found out how: Ramuh can't defeat it in one blow, unlike every other enemy, and sometimes the summon even glitched and never showed up when I fought it.
Honestly, would have been fine if they spoke about how one could beat Deadeye WITHOUT Ramuh (even better if it's possible to beat him on the first pass?)
@@meltingkeith7046
Yeah, I don’t know if it’s possible: the demo looked pretty scripted as far as I remember, but if it was possible, then it would have made more sense to be here.
Correction on the FF8, the Black Widow gives 50 AP EACH time its is ''defeated'. If dealt enough damage to to 'kill' it, it automatically recovers and need to dropped back to 20% in order to flee..but as a reward you gained 50 AP each time, making this is the best way to grind for High-AP abilties in the early gamer.
400 AP was the highest i could farm off with it, good boost
@@feybrandt40533 My personal best was 500 but it was so close (less than 2 seconds) that it ended being too nerve wracking to worth it again.
But YES! Great way to catapult your GF's to greatness in one chase scene!
@@RallasterAsuremen a win's a win! 500 is mighty respect
Not Final Fantasy, but I immediately thought of Gades in his first encounter with the Player in Lufia 2. It took a lot of grinding to defeat him.
I was wondering why these were all final fantasy games but then i noticed the channel name. This is a pretty good video. It makes me wanna play some ff games.
In my encounter with Bagaman I got the gold armor drop from a rare monster in the mine and way late into the encounter realized that they were doing 0 damage to Vaan. 😆
I'm not sure how much was luck or blessings from the RNG gods, but I managed to beat Dark Knight Cecil with Paladin Cecil in the one-on-one battle in the crystal room on Mt. Ordeals in FFIV - once, but never again. 😢
The one from FF8 I actually learned from an old strategy guide showing the bonuses you got from beating it if you stood your ground.
I did the Episode Duscae one. I thought that summoning Ramuh was what was supposed to happen 😂.
There is a Video of it on my channel.
I just learned the same thing and now I wonder what we were supposed to do In a normal run.
The Ramuh way felt like the obvious way to do it
You're not wrong. This video is cringe
I'm so triggered that Dissidia doesn't acknowledge the victory at all wtf
Vanish / doom was my favorite exploit lmao. I was so mad when they fixed it.
Vanish and leap with gau was my favorite exploit and then having relm sketch him.
I never beat the Black Widow. On my last playthrough I tried but I couldn't remember how. I figured I just needed to do enough damage while it was repairing but this video cleared it up. I'll do it next time.
About Ba'Gamnan fight. It is also possible to defeat him quickly with quickenings, if they have been unlocked. By chaining enough of them, Ba'Gamnan will fall with a single quickening chain.
In FF6, I discovered the vanish “bug” when Moog was dancing for Intangir, and the used it to kill Humbaba four times. I was kind of miffed when the later versions nerfed it.
Midgar Zolom in FF7 is very satisfying to beat if you can level the materia enough to protect you from Beta. Elemental materia paired with Fire gives decent protection if HP is high enough and there is a way to predict when Beta is coming. If you can survive the fight and get Beta as an enemy skill, the entire rest of Disc 1 becomes a cake walk, since Beta is such a powerful magic attack.
Except in FF7 it can't truely die it still is reappears on screen after you KILL it.
@@veghesther3204 Half-true. If you beat it, it will not appear until you change locations (e.g. Mithril Mines)
Ah, those were the good old days. I remember when I fought constantly outside the marsh where it resided until I learned Aerith's invincibility LB (I forget the name), and everyone hit about level 20, so their stats allowed them to survive the Zolom's normal attacks
Exactly FF7 really only has 2 enemies that can't really DIE Midgar Zolem and Any chocobo's you hit when NOT summoning Odin.
I consider the Luca Goers as a boss fight in that initial Luca visit
Agreed. Every save I reload until I win that stacked against you game. Sure you can just score a goal and then run the ball behind enemy goalie to cheese the time but I like to actually play that one out.
My 2 friends had me beat that first encounter for their saves because they hated Blitzball for some reason. There IS some reward for winning, some kind of str sphere or something it isn't much. Sigh. They both also had me do the chocobo run for tidus ultimate, and max lightning dodges. I've dodged 300 lightning strike at least 12 full counts. :(
Man I was over leveled af for Ba'Gamnen 🤣🤣 I had manual saves and grinder for hours after getting whooped the first time
Bayamoth huh?
ID from Xenogears.
You need very particular setup, but you can beat him.
I like how the black widow in ff8 looks more like a tarantula or crab
You actually get punished for beating the black widow in the dollet mission. it lowers your “judgement” score on the report card you get after the mission, because you didn’t prioritize the evacuation.
For some reason, I have a soft spot for the Midgard Zolom from Final Fantasy VII. I was in Uni when a friend of mine showed me how he had done it the very first time he had come across the formidable snake, not having realised that he was meant to avoid this battle: first, he managed to poison the Zolom, which is hardly a feat unto itself, but made less useful in the face of the spell Beta, which the Zolom is wont to use when its HP drops below a certain percent, and the Zolom's ability to eject party members from the battle. Granted, it took a bit of luck, but he managed to keep Aerith in the battle, and her max HP was just so that he could reliably depend on Healing Wind to keep his party alive in between Beta strikes, while poison ate away at the Zolom's HP until it was dead. Nevertheless, once the party reaches the Mythril Mines, irrespective of whether or not they killed the Zolom, they're treated to the grizzly spectacle of the Zolom impaled on a tree, and comment on how powerful Sephiroth must be to have killed it.
I don’t usually beat a lv130 Feral Chaos with a lv1 Lightning. But when I do, I f**king celebrate
Bravely Default 2 spoilers:
My favorite "you're supposed to lose"-bossfight is at the beginning of Bravely Default 2. Because that fight is only winnable (to my knowledge), if you grind for quite a long time, take down some optional side bosses for their equipment that are also normally way too strong if you encounter them at this point, and then figure out on how to take down the boss there
Spoilers for what happens when you defeat him:
Not a whole lot happens - but the game acknowledges your victory and tells you "The story can not continue with this outcome". It just strikes me as a surprisingly elegant way of acknowledging the players victory, while not investing too much development/story shenanigans to make the story continue anyways
Not FF but Balero and Sunder from breath of fire three were annoying during first fight, spent months leveling up in starting zone to beat them and best i could do is a draw(they have infinite hp) tell PS/disc burned out and crashed auto attacking after making one hit the other, and making other run out of mana but still keep casting
Wait I thought the behemoth was supposed to be killed with Ramuh in 15… I did that my first time playing it.
It is. This guy is not very bright
I remember fighting Feral Chaos at the start of Duodecim then encountering him again in the arena and unlocking him. Then playing as him to figure out his moves so the next time I did encounter him he'd be my dance partner with the Warrior of Light.
Never played the Desidia games but that sounds very disappointing. They should have given you an ending more like what DMC5 did if you beat the "unwinnable" fight during the tutorial mission.
I feel like wiegraff from FFT deserves honorable mention 😂
There is absolutely nothing better than beating Feral Chaos with a level 1 character. My favorite was using a Level 1 Terra. My fastest win was like 45 seconds.
A boss not in the video is Kain from Final Fantasy 4, when you first arrive in Fabul and Baron attacks to steal the Wind Crystal. I think if your insane enough to have leveled high enough the fight with Kain there is winnable, though nothing changes if you win and everything acts as if you lost.
These are the kinds of fights I love having in RPGs. Which is ironic, since the genuinely unwinnable boss fights are the ones I hate the most. Fights that seem unwinnable but you can actually succeed at I've always found extremely fun, since unless you've been really really super overleveling they're always a massive challenge.
Not me obtaining 3 Seitengrats (Once you manage to get the first one via RNG manipulation you learn it is fairly easy, just takes some time) and farming Dustia for the sole mission of Wiping the Floor with the Bangaa Squad.
Always hated those guys.
I adore Migelo tho, he is a good Bangaa.
Don't forget the robot in FF8 if it is defeated the beach scene later changes and some dialog changes also as I believe a young girls mother doesn't die
Beating the Robospider with Quetzacotl is relatively trivial, and can be done with minimal planning.
There was a main story boss in the last story, which bears recognition as it was made a spiritual sequel to final fantasy. The phoenix could only be beaten by using silence to nullify it's magic, so it feels impossible to start with, but eventually it can be beaten, but it's a very slow and difficult boss fight.
I honestly think that every fight in the game should grant you something for winning even if its designed to be unwinnable. Just in case you had a design flaw you missed and people figure it out. There is little more disappointing than busting your butt to win those fights only to have it grant no reward and have no effect on the story.
God I LOVED dissidia. The first one is just the best. Also the black widow fight really isnt that bad tbh. I used to over prepare alot to kill it. Now I just give ifrit to zell and thats it. Str junction, no training. No nothing.
I love this channel❤
Watching Quistis gun the black widow down was one reason I never bothered to try beating it before the beach, extra rewards or not... I loved seeing her go full 'savage' an unloading on the robot chasing her students XD
ill never forget playing ace combat 5 the mission were you are suposed to run from this one squadron that were the main bad guys, your squadron runs and they even make it so that you can hit anyone with misels. but if you evade atacks constantly and get close enough eith guns you can actually defeat them and they did add a cut scene if you did, presious child memory
In FF8 I farmed the spider robot’s ass for AP points until he coughed an adamantine then killed it. Made Lion Heart on First disk thanks to crab legs and Card mood
Saaaaaaay what? How did you do that?
@@Ultima013 Grinding it’s ass until he broke down and walked away without Quisits’s Gatling gun scene
I beat the dude in FF8 ….. he pissed me off and I just kept restarting because I thought I had to beat him.
While i wouldve argued that Yiazmat fits the bill for unwinable unless you were diligent enough, im glad he at least got mentioned in the Zodiac Age section
I digress from the FFXV Duscae entry, after all, that was the expected result, if you could defeat Behemot during the furst encounter then I agree
Another one that you didn’t mention is ff4 the solo fight of Cecil vs Kain while defending the Crystal in Fubul.
While in normal game play Kain beats Cecil; it is possible for Cecil to defeat Kain. I think it takes 65,000 HP to do it and what’s even more interesting is Kain has a critical low hp animation if you get his HP to critical status.
Beating Kain does nothing as the game will just resume as if Kain won but still possible to win this fight
Ah, the old 'vanish-doom' combo, it's been so long I'd forgotten about that. Here's a thought... can Terra use reflect to bounce the vanish off of herself onto Humbaba?
Didn't realize this was going to be all about Final Fantasy games (didn't see the channel name at first) but since Chrono Trigger was was part of the Final Fantasy Chronicles compilation an argument could be made that it could technically be included for videos like this. In Chrono Trigger once you get New Game + mode you can actually beat the final boss at SEVERAL different points of the game where the fight was supposed to be unwinnable.
The spider one isn't difficult on it's own, the difficulty is with the timer.
I actually didnt realize there was a small bridge area in FF2 so i power leveled my party like crazy using the self infliction method (FF2 levels individual stats once you reach a threshold of successful actions of certain types)
Was so overpowered that i was able to breeze the guards in the first town that are meant to sweep the party early game but be moderately difficult when faced later
Hardest fight i ever had in a video game was FF15 Omega weapon, i dont know if my game was glitched or something but it took me months to beat him and that final run was 6 hours, a pure nightmare for me, fyi in the end it was just Pronto, the others didnt make it, even being max level and two different save files both in the exact same spot one NG+, and my original before i went into NG+, still took months to beat him, and i still to this day haven't beat him pre NG+, i dont know nothing changed as far as i know in NG+ but i actually won that fight
Might have actually took years to beat him lol been forever since I played that game my memory sucks and I wasn't sending clips to RUclips back then
I actually did beat Ba'Gamnan in my first playthrough of 12. I had the quickenings for a couple characters and just kept spamming them, got the big explosion at the end, and everything died lol.
Ftr: I can 1 man feral chaos with Firion at any level.
Honorable mention: Leon from Kingdom Hearts. I remember stocking up on potions beforehand and grinding it out just to be stubborn.
Beating FF3's "unwinnable" Bahamut battle is worse than pointless. It actually PUNISHES you, as he won't show up in his lair later on. That means you can't get his summon spell for free, and you have to make it to the hidden magic shop in Eureka to buy it there.
Defeat X-ATM092 isn't exactly hard, the actual hard feat is getting Adamantine drop from it, which has abysmally low drop rate.
About that the BEST weapons that need Adamantines NEED more then 1 so getting it to drop that one OVER the Force Armlet is still not worth it lv 30+ adamantoises will easily drop the Adamantines needed for DISC 1 Lionheart their aren't ANY cards via card mod that result in those.
@@veghesther3204 Minotaur card give 10 Adamantine dude.
But I'd rather USE that card to win more card games for the ENTIRE game so instead I'd rather KILL LV 30+ Adamantoises and actually FIGHT Minotaur WITH The Lionheart already equipped.
I didn't know about the wall trick. I used quickenings to win that fight, I grinded enough to defeat those pesky lizards.
Fake Desaix and Jedah from Fire Emblem Echoes come to mind. If you beat them both, they drop a Draco Shield which is the most powerful Shield in the game. They are opponents you are supposed to avoid fighting for story progression, but they can be defeated.
Not from a FF title but similar, Tales of Destiny had an early supposed to lose encounter with a later possible party member. But if you grinded (or just cheated) and managed to beat him, it had an actual ending for that. Problem was you kind of ruined the world in it.
Omega Weapon in Ultimecias Castle in FF8 was a tough beast to say the least (i must admit i had to buy a magazine back in the day to prepare for the whole thing).
It's technically not Final Fantasy, but Lufia 2 had one of the oldest boss fights you were supposed to lose, that gave you a special weapon and a slightly different story if you managed to win.
That's a big if a NG+ run automatically gives you like 4x exp too bad EVEN at lv 30 I still had Gades during that MUST LOSE battle at lv 30 to lv 40 I had his opening attack before you get a SINGLE hit off still manage to KILL of off the ENTIRE party instantly from his first full party move.
@@veghesther3204 I'm pretty sure there's no NG+ for Lufia 2. I don't think very many (if any at all) had it before Chrono Trigger.
Their isn't the game has a RETRY mode where you start Lufia 2 all over again at lv 1 but the catch being you get like a 4x EXP boost for the entire game so even UNDER that 4x exp boost to fight Gades at lv 30 to lv 40 I had his opening move still kill the entire party IN 1 hit.
@@veghesther3204 I know there's RUclips videos of people doing it. HCBaily did it as well.
I remember beating that robot spider in FF8 by learning that convert card to spell ability. Then converting one of the GF cards (I forget which one) to quake spells. Junctioned them quake spells to strength. Now that character was doing over 1k damage an attack. Won't do it nowadays though because I dig me that card game and won't sacrifice such a rare card.
You gotta do a playthrough of each game where you mess these guys up!
I’ve defeated the grand dragons in final fantasy ix during the original gizamaluke’s grotto section. They are lvl 60 and you should be about lvl 15. You need at least 2 thunder rings and a LOT of phoenix downs, but they net you easily 20+ levels.
I always think of your first encounter with Leon in Kingdom Hearts 1.
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Wait, are you serious about Duodecim putting you at the last Gate if you beat the Punishment Feral Chaos?
You could also defeat Nepto in Final Fantasy III if you're diligent enough...but even if you beat it, it doesn't permanently die and you'll end up fighting it again if you try to sail past it.
how do you perminently kill it then
@@mattalan6618 By following the main story ^^
@@mattalan6618 You don't - you're not supposed to be able to, that's the point. You're supposed to defeat the Giant Rat boss, retrieve its stolen eye, and put it back where it belongs. Only then does Nepto allow you to sail away. The fact that Nepto is meant to be unwinnable, and yet can be with enough grinding, is why it fits in with the other bosses mentioned in the video.
@@james_parker.99 makes sense in a final fantasy sort of way
Nepto Dragon in FFIII is also supposed to be unbeatable. In the remakes it is, but in the original you could beat it... but it gave lousy rewards since it wasn't meant to be beaten.
The original FFII and GBA remake of FFII act differently if you were to defeat the four riders at the start of the game. In the NES version it just continues on as if you lost. The GBA remake doesn't seem to know what to do, and boots you back to the start screen 😂
Hey can someone be a boss and tell me the song they used in this intro? It seems so familiar yet I can't remember the name of it!!
Thanks!