THE GIGA DEPTHS OF HARRY OSBORN! Convincing through Conflict in Spider-Man 3?

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  • Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
  • #spiderman #spiderman2 #tobeymaguire
    A philosophical breakdown of the depths of the character Harry Osborn throughout out the Sam Raimi Spider-man trilogy. Watch as two geniuses clash and speculate the most viable methods of change.
    Sound off the comments as said in the video as I also have a RUclips poll up that you can find in the community section on my channel. Hell, you can even take the discussion to my Discord / discord
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    Music used
    01. Main Web (Spider-Man 3 Complete Score)
    • 01. Main Web (Spider-M...
    31. Rooftop Rendezvous (Spider-Man 2 Complete Score)
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    11. Peter Sees Harry in Hospital (Spider-Man 3 Complete Score)
    • 11. Peter Sees Harry i...
    21. Flashback Uncle Ben's Murder (Spider-Man 3 Complete Score)
    • 21. Flashback Uncle Be...
    97. Marko's Remorse / Harry Dies (Alternate) (Spider-Man 3 Complete Score)
    • 97. Marko's Remorse / ...
    31. A Apartment Fight (Spider-Man 3 Complete Score)
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    Spider-Man: Web of Shadows Soundtrack - Credits (HD)
    • Spider-Man: Web of Sha...

Комментарии • 27

  • @ultamatejoker8282
    @ultamatejoker8282  9 месяцев назад +8

    A philosophical breakdown of the depths of the character Harry Osborn throughout out the Sam Raimi Spider-man trilogy. Watch as two geniuses clash and speculate the most viable methods of change.
    Sound off the comments as said in the video as I also have a RUclips poll up that you can find in the community section on my channel. Hell, you can even take the discussion to my Discord discord.com/invite/j8GQVbvNj2

    • @resikin
      @resikin 9 месяцев назад +1

      The people have spoken Joker 😈😈😈

    • @ultamatejoker8282
      @ultamatejoker8282  9 месяцев назад +1

      @@resikin Lol I called this happening in the server. A select few know strict discipline works but most people like to say beating your kids is wrong because it sounds bad on paper lol.

  • @resikin
    @resikin 9 месяцев назад +10

    Damn if this video is that good imagine how peak the villains video will be 🤯

  • @bluesenzan
    @bluesenzan 5 месяцев назад +3

    Nice this makes me want to see the trilogy again

  • @jimmym.8927
    @jimmym.8927 9 месяцев назад +6

    Well done on this breakdown for Harry's character. Both sides make valid points and no perspective is wrong.
    I do believe that because Harry was determined with avenging his father's death even after knowing his best friend's secret identity along with Peter having tried to convince him, a second battle between them was bound to happen at some point. He just wasn't going to stop following in his father's footsteps. Maybe Peter without the Symbiote wouldn't have wanted to fight his best friend again but it only made sense for him to confront Harry about what he did to MJ. Despite it not being right for Peter to only go in to brutally beat him down, this is was where he had the chance to turn Harry around. That didn't turn out to be the case.
    No matter which way it could have or how it went down, that final confrontation/fight was vital in making Harry realize the error of his ways. I think for me and what most would have wanted is Harry coming to terms with a heart-to-heart conversation with a non Symbiote Peter after their fight since we all know well enough they're both good people. Maybe not change him initially in that moment, but leaving him alone to think about what he had done and time to heal. Instead Peter left Harry heavily scarred while he still had time to think about his mistakes. Either way, Harry knows he hurt his two best friends and even after everything he did they never turned away from him. Although I don't get behind Peter's intentions 100% in that scene, their fight felt realistic and fitting for Harry to see he took things too far. I am glad it worked out in getting him to come back around. He was able to redeem himself with not only that but also not making the mistake of letting darkness consume you like his father. He learned not to let himself fall into that hole completely, and accepted what his father had done was wrong while he knows Norman still loved him.
    What makes Harry such a compelling character is with Peter hurting him and having said those things, none of that mattered as he said shortly before his death. He was his friend and nothing changed that. So when he later sees both MJ and Peter in trouble, that's when he decided to put his vengeance to rest and come to their aid. A mark of a true hero who shows that it's never too late to change for the better of the people who love you.

    • @ultamatejoker8282
      @ultamatejoker8282  9 месяцев назад +2

      BRAVO BRAVO!!! With such comprehension that was extremely well articulated maybe you should make some of these videos yourself. Thanks for watching and commenting!!! We had a lot of fun making this along with a video we gave to Raimi's MJ if it interests you ruclips.net/video/FjWYRt5ai6E/видео.html&ab_channel=Resikin

    • @resikin
      @resikin 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@ultamatejoker8282lmao that’s actually where I brought him over from. He really is a legend. And we really appreciate your analysis of our analysis 😁

  • @resikin
    @resikin 8 месяцев назад +2

    11:06 Damn the change of score makes that flashback sequence a lot more heartbreaking.

    • @ultamatejoker8282
      @ultamatejoker8282  8 месяцев назад

      lol did you just meat ride yourself?

    • @resikin
      @resikin 8 месяцев назад

      lmaooooo you're the one who chose to put that scene for that part of my audio @@ultamatejoker8282 🤣

  • @kendelnorwood1674
    @kendelnorwood1674 9 месяцев назад +3

    great vid! i agree more with sir rami’s pov😭 but both sides are valid. Harry did die a hero tho. Superrrrr excited for the spiderman 3 villains video! (it’s the best spiderman there is no debate)

  • @riley5722
    @riley5722 8 месяцев назад +2

    7:49
    I am really looking forward to watching the upcoming discussion.

  • @ArachnidYouth
    @ArachnidYouth 8 месяцев назад +2

    Damn these videos got big RUclipsr energy

  • @timothypichon5994
    @timothypichon5994 9 месяцев назад +2

    noticed harry felt some engy towards Osbourne relationship with harry and wanted his approval
    maybe this is far fetched but i dont think he loved him deep down, the veey first thing he thought of when he was dying was Harry like he didn't want to be embarrassed, people who people love like to keep their titles clean ao they don't look down upon
    i think harry felt robbed when he found spiderman with goblins body and at the party that was the peak of his emotions fortifying his belief that spiderman did it and showing how ignorance and betrayal lead to any chance for closure (this was before he knew he was green goblin) this may be far fetched but harrys face after slapping peter twice kinda looked like harry was hoping to be wrong about this situation hoping peter would fight back and prove him wrong
    Tim
    him having to take the picture reminds the viewer that this is in peters perspective
    after harry got his memory back i think it was revenge like "this is how i felt so im going you make you feel the way i did" taking someone away from peter and lying about like he thought peter did to him
    the black suit just applifies the inner feelings of peter being beat down by peter in basically every time they met whether he insulted spiderman ignorantly or insulted Peter after he found out he was spiderman adds up and being insulted over and over again gets tiring and i think harry knew that like he was egging him on

  • @narjis2742
    @narjis2742 9 месяцев назад +2

    I thought the video was amazing. Both interpretations of Harry's transition made excellent points. However, I continue to agree more with Sir Rami's interpretation.

  • @Strhange
    @Strhange 9 месяцев назад +2

    harsh methods

  • @dn3ay_865
    @dn3ay_865 9 месяцев назад +2

    Loved the video and your perspective! However, I’m leaning more towards Sir Rami’s perspective although yours could definitely be true.

    • @ultamatejoker8282
      @ultamatejoker8282  9 месяцев назад +1

      Ik it sounds bad on paper but I don't think he would have turned around if that fight scene didn't happen lol.

    • @dn3ay_865
      @dn3ay_865 9 месяцев назад

      @@ultamatejoker8282 fair enough

  • @timothypichon5994
    @timothypichon5994 9 месяцев назад +2

    i dont think people change not if they dont have it in them you have to have this certain level of self conscious to understand what your doing and change even when you do degenerate things you still know better but do it non the less, this is where my point comes up i think harry felt robbed of a father and a chance to make him proud he was so laid back because he didn't understand the value of time but peter did because he was a super hero and i think goblin knew that too thats why he said dont tell harry. i think for most of the time harry just wanted a pummeling because he thought he deserved it, i don't think he changed because he got beat up people are too arrogant for that harry changed because he had it in him. don't think this ks about convincing people in violence or denial i think raimi waa saying it doesn't matter at all if the person isnt smart enough for it.

  • @mustaphaezzeddine2119
    @mustaphaezzeddine2119 9 месяцев назад +2

    I lean more towards SirRamis' interpretation of Harry's transition. Didn't quite agree with the ultimate joker he looks like he got beat alot when he was a child. Great video overall 😂😂

    • @ultamatejoker8282
      @ultamatejoker8282  9 месяцев назад

      Lol, got beat only 4 times overall at best but idk maybe I could have been better if that really happened. I could've gotten my driver's license earlier etc.

  • @jenna1631
    @jenna1631 9 месяцев назад +1

    james franco 🤤🥰

  • @cookiesandcreammmmmmjj2828
    @cookiesandcreammmmmmjj2828 9 месяцев назад +1

    what is bro yapping abt

    • @ultamatejoker8282
      @ultamatejoker8282  9 месяцев назад

      Umm I'm "yapping" about the methods of changing false perspectives

    • @cookiesandcreammmmmmjj2828
      @cookiesandcreammmmmmjj2828 9 месяцев назад +2

      @@ultamatejoker8282SORRY i thought this was ramis account 😭