The first time it happened I thought the movie was buffering when it faded to black in a transition, it just lasted so long, followed by pointless establishing shots
I remember people memeing about the kid being the Reverse Flash to Gavin's "Flash" and it was fun. I think the kid even changed his twitter profile pic to one of Thawne
This is one of the only fair circumstance to use the victim card. When a child says "I was treated unfairly" and she doesn't have dramatic/overbearing parents, or is a liar...
In the original comic, when Peter snaps at MJ, what he says is really harsh, but he says it in two panels of dialogue, and it happens right after his fight with the Goblin when his feelings of grief and anger are at their peak. It isn’t true but it hits a nerve because it’s the kind of thing people say about MJ all the time. It clearly hurts her and she almost leaves, but she decides to stay because she really does care about Gwen and wants to be there for Peter now that she’s gone. It’s a beautiful scene that develops the characters and their friendship really thoughtfully In the movie, Peter rants and raves for like a solid thirty seconds, several weeks after Gwen’s death, right after MJ complains that no one will go out with her - as if she really is the selfish party girl who wants to be the center of attention - and she doesn’t even get offended. She just gets defensive and tries to brush the criticism off. It’s like Gavin read the original comic and really thought “yeah, Peter! You show that girl what’s what!” Such a terrible take on that moment
That is painfully the same thing I was thinking minus the particular comic book issue reference. No extroverted teenager girl would randomly go up to a grieving friend and say “no one will go out with me”. Please don’t tell me Gavin actually thinks girls do this 🤦🏻♀️
People obsessed with comic accuracy always seem to be the people who understand the least about the emotions behind the comic. The most important part of what makes a story good
@@FeatherSnake007still inconsolable over the fact that Mysterio and Harry basically got his dad high as balls and punked him into giving Mysterio backshots
Flashpoint literally Flashpoint literally Flashpoint. Do people working on Flash media know there are more stories to him than just Flashpoint? Like he isn't just the multiverse/convenient reset character.
Wouldn't really know. Aside from manga my comic book consumption mainly consists of Donald Duck and European stuff, so I haven't really ran into that nonesense. (Edit) Oh, also Calvin & Hobbes and Peanuts.
The problem with hardcore Spider-Man fans is that their love for watching Spider-Man struggles has devolved into a fetishization of his pain in stories. Therefore, they think that if a story primarily focuses on his pain and sacrifices is the peak of his character. It’s not. What’s so compelling about the character is that despite his pain, he still stays dedicated, kind and good.
Most Spider-man stories are set in-between Spider-Man's painful life events. The problem with movies is that they have to compress decades of loss into 2 hour movies. Spider-Man is usually a pretty upbeat guy with occasional trauma, but he's not Batman. Even as an adult he is still a fairly positive guy.
Two things one: somebody please send this comment to Nick Lowe and Zeb Wells. Keep in mind I am the guy who started a petition on Change.0rg (I had to replace the o with a 0 because RUclips doesn't allow external links) to undo One More Day. And two: There is a good reason every single version of the story where Peter stops being Spider-Man, has him back to being Spider-Man, it is because of what you just described, that despite his pain, he still stays dedicated, kind, and good. If he was a character that was solely focused on his pain he wouldn't become Spider-Man again (in any version of the story) because there is only so much pain that one person can endure. I bring this up because while the filmmakers of Spider-Man Locus may like Spider-Man 2 that certainly doesn't mean they understand it at all.
That's why I find Spiderverse's Peter B. Parker super interesting. He has his lows and he starts the saga in his lowest point of his life but he is still kind and a good person. Seeing a Spiderman with a kid and happily married is super refreshing
Ngl the thirty-second establishing shots feel like I’m changing scenes in a video game and they need something for me to watch while it loads the environment.
Decent special effects, bad lighting, needlessly pissed off actors, terrible people behind the camera... I think this guy has a future making Netflix movies!
I would say blame the gjk on the cameras, as ya know, he fuckin okayed the shitty ass lighting because he’s a shit director, but tbf I don’t know that much on this stuff just watched a few videos on this movie lol, and I believe that blaming the dumbass, in charge of the project who okayed the visuals is better than blaming the ppl who just wanted to get paid.
Say what you want about TASM2, but the one 15 second cut of Peter in front of Gwen's grave over the course of the seasons has more nuance, maturity and subtlety in handling her death than this entire two hour fan film.
Even that hilariously bad "action" scene at the end with Paul Giamati Rhino is leaps and bounds anything we see in this p.o.s... There they at least stay true to Peter's character: we see that, even though he's downright devastated with grief, he still has time to save a child and tell him a few kind words. In Lotus...he uses inocent by-standers as human shields...'nuff said...
Not trying to defend the film, but they weren't innocent bystanders. They were other goons. Peter would still not sacrifice them, but it's not the same as "innocent"@@madsgrams2069
It also does "Spider-Man having a friendship with a child" much better than this train wreck (yes I know it isn't the same since the child isn't dying but there are similarities), and it probably isn't the best sign when TASM2 is better than this fan film in every conceivable way.
Ive never watched buffy before but your segment struck me so hard. I lost my mom in 2020 and her delusions of them saving her mother and everything fixing itself is the most realistic bit of grieving ive seen in tv.
I agree, I lost my mom when I was a teenager and that episode hits me incredibly hard; it is a painfully well done depiction of grief and losing a loved one.
@@osirisatot19 i believe the build up to buffy finally calling ger mom the body is one of the best symbols for grief ive ever seen in media. I dont really process grief on my own, i need to see others process their own grief and understand how theirs connects with mine, so tbis helped alot. I hope youre in a better place now man. Make her proud.
I actually got so invested in Marcus' analysis of 'The Body' that I forgot it was in the middle of Spider-Man Lotus... What a harsh snap back to reality that was.
@@Montesama314to be fair, what happened to Jason was just a little bit more complex than simply being "mistreated by Batman" but I'm sure you know that.
Last year my family dealt with a tragedy basically the same as in Buffy. The feelings were spot on. Especially the cold routine of the paramedics. Never knew that episode even existed and certainly didn't expect it in a Spiderman Lotus review. Talk about emotional whiplash
This wasn’t with a human family member, but I remember something similar happening with a dog we had just before my junior year of high school began. I specifically remember her running up to the door to greet us as she always did, and how I walked past her to drop something off at my room, not giving her much thought, and not knowing that the last time I would see HER had already passed. It’s fucking awful when that type of thing just blindsides you out of nowhere. I’m sorry for your loss.
As a person named Gavin who also enjoys Spider-Man and wanted to one day make or work on something Spider-Man related, this whole situation feels like the darkest timeline of that
turns out, its really hard to make a movie, its ok to critacise films but the fact films even get made (proabbly the same with games) is staggering. like 100 people doing their best work and knowing what everone else wants. locations the right actors lighting, its kinda crazy.
Yeah, way more accurate to the character than ''MR STARK MADE ME THIS SUIT THIS IS AWESOME WOW THANK YOU MR STARK''. MCU stans, us Spider-Man fans... Yeah, we don't like you. Then again, no self-respecting Marvel Comics fan is ever gonna like an MCU fan.
I remember emailing Gavin about what it's like being a film director for a college essay and he told me how "it's important to stay humble and not get carried away with all the power" he really should have taken his own words to heart💀
Movies like this really go to show that being loyal to the source material doesn’t mean squat if you can’t back it up with good performances, writing, camerawork and editing
they WEREN't even loyal to the source material tho that's the worst part lmao, all this just to have spidey kill civilians in his first action scene im baffled
First responder for seven years. Been to many houses for “The Body” calls. I can confirm most of the time the way Buffy acted from start to finish is 100% accurate.
Yeah as someone who has been through something like that I kinda had to start skipping through some of that. It felt way too real and started giving me flashbacks. I commend the director, writers, and Sarah Michelle Gellar for creating such a powerful, impactful, and accurate scene but I don't think I could ever watch that in it's entirety myself.
The fact that the director really shit talked his actors in a group chat, putting the blame all on them instead of his amateur directing skills is crazy. No one will ever wanna work with this guy. I can only imagine the notes he gave them and how rehearsals went. If there even were rehearsals…
It reeks of a bloated ego, this kid had way to many yes men in his corner claiming he was genius when it comes to Spider-Man etc. I really hope all the negative backlash gives him a reality check.
From what I watched before I got bored, it looked like they only shot a couple of takes. I believe the director knew what he wanted, but didn’t take the time to flesh anything out. Or didn’t know how.
Wizards will say: "My apprentice is severely lacking in the arcane arts"... my brother is wizardly wonders, you taught him how to cast!@@tuckermayatt2705
A few notes on the depiction of Spider-Man here just like from a writing perspective 1. Spider-Man is def the type of character who when faced with grief internalizes it and blames himself, not someone who lashes out at everyone around him. He takes responsibility even when its not his fault, thats the whole idea 2. When it comes to the kid he would, without question, try to be normal and quippy and stuff but without putting his heart in it and when it gets too much to take, like the kid asks too many things or brings up too many bad memories, he would either excuse himself or just bounce when he's not looking. He'd beat himself up over that decision later, but thats what he'd do. 3. Peter ain't cool. He's got a good social circle and I could see people being amazed that he gets the attention of a few popular girls, but I don't think folk would naturally find themselves being jealous of him or wishing they had what he had. Frankly the most accurate version of showing Peter hanging out with his friends would be like him DMing a DND session at his house with like at most Harry, MJ, and whatever the extremely nerdy friend du jour is. The reason Peter has charisma is because he has a mask to hide behind, in his day to day life people probably just see him as a quiet geeky kid. Also just like general notes is because people process grief in different ways it would be good to show that? Like MJ would probably be very openly sad, Harry would probably get mad, and Peter would probably wall himself off. Play in that space and see how these three different coping methods interact and intersect with one another and the strain it puts on their relationship and for gods sake show us what normal looks like before then
alot of this sort of changed and was altered in like TASM which is you having the more Outward expression of grief which is more relatable these days than totally internalized(Symbiote was important cause it actually externalized his internal feelings), also Peter I like more when he came off as a loner in TASM just going through the motions than like the nerd but yeah this is definitely not the traditional Peter Parker but yk I like TASM's rendition more also in TNAS Peter was a bit cooler iirc
MJ would likely wall it off like Peter unless she was at a breaking point. A major reason they were drew to each other is because they both spent their youth hiding behind masks.
Wow!! thanks Stan Lee !! Or the other creator of spider-man!!! I’m so glad you came back from death to let us know the 100% facts that only you GuYs know
Tbh, I would be fine with the alterations to Peter had the movie taken the time to properly establish this version of him. I don't hate the idea of different interpretations of a character as long as the core of who they are is kept in tact. That being said, again, they didn't really go into what Peter is like in this movie, and also, they were really priding themselves on this being a super accurate depiction of Peter Parker. So that's why the decisions they made with the way he acts feels so baffling to me.
@user-gw3bs2in5i agreed. Like it would be a weird version of the character to be sure but like they really did drop us in the middle of a story arc expecting us to be all caught up. That said it does deeply just go against the character with a lot of the decisions
My god that closing statement of “you should not produce your dream project as your first project” was something I’ve needed to hear. For so long I’ve been wanting to start a career in film and I’ve wanted to do it by producing my dream project to showcase my vision at its purest, but your this video and it’s conclusion have helped me see that is not the path I should start on. Thank you, I needed to hear that so badly.
Same here, I’ve had this idea for a Top Gun-like sci-fi adventure called Aviation. I’ve always envisioned it either being a live action blockbuster or an animated film but I’d have to be at least a level 15 filmmaker with at least several projects behind me to even consider funding it. When Marcus brought up dream projects, my mind went to Tick, Tick… Boom!, a project that was created in the wake of failure. Jonathan Larson (best known for the musical Rent) created Tick, Tick… Boom! after slaving for 8 years trying to get his dystopian show Superbia off the ground. The show is all about how over-ambition can cast shadows over friendships, love, creativity, confidence, and everyday responsibilities. This is the pit that can strain any artist from reaching their full potential and hearing Marcus affirm this reminded me why he’s among my top 5 creators.
Really, there is a reason why Star Wars wasn't the first film George Lucas ever made, or The Godfather wasn't the first film that Francis Ford Coppola made, or Lord of the Rings wasn't the first thing Peter Jackson ever made, and so on and so forth. If you have a dream project and if you have the chance to make it, absolutely go for it! But you should get your feet wet with other projects first, or else you might just end up like Gavin here.
I feel that man, I'm in a similar boat as you where I would love to get a feature up and going, but I'm definitely not there yet. Best thing I'm trying to do is make short films and fun lil passion projects
Spider-Man Lotus has really shown how unhealthy a lot of fans are in terms of engaging with Spider-Man media. It's perfectly fine to not like the MCU Spider-Man films (or any Spider-Man adaptation, for that matter), but when that hatred is used as fuel to make a movie to spite something you don't personally like, then it no longer feels sincere or honest. A fan-made piece of media should feel like a labor of love, not a way to one-up random RUclipsrs and directors.
This might be an unpopular opinion but I feel it's very similar to the current spider man comics today. whether its amazing spider man randomly killing off ms marvel or fans being overly toxic over the fact that MJ isn't into Peter anymore, it's not great
Yea, like u said it’s very indicative of the toxic relationship Spider-Man fans have with the character and it seems like they just want to him to be a depressed little shit the whole time. It also goes to show that fan opinions should be taken with a grain of salt (most of the time) because some guy typing behind a screen 9/10 knows nothing about what he’s criticizing, and should have no say in the direction a project should go.
It's one of the reason many writers don't want to write for Spider-man, even Chip Zdarsky who wrote one of the best modern Spider-man stories would rather write him guest appearing in Daredevil than a full book
It's kind of funny that one of the likely "flaws" the guy thought the MCU Spidey films had were what people think the dialogue in the MCU is like, and then he immediately makes dialogue that is way worse than that. It's like the pot calling the pan black, but the pan is actually one of those colorful ceramic pans.
The guy thought MCU Spidey’s flaws were Stark, just like every MCU Spidey hater and Raimi fanboy. I’m honestly surprised there weren’t a thousand references to Uncle Ben to remind us that he does indeed exist.
@@CatBxtchNami But simply being connected to Tony Stark isn't one of them. Heck it would probably add more to his character since he lost ANOTHER father figure when Tony died. Plus I like the idea of the other Avengers not taking him seriously so he has to solve his own problems since Spidey usually works alone. Also didn't Andrew's Spidey have to get his webbing from Oscorp?
@@Shonin23 leave em be, remember how these Raimi fanboys hated on Andrew's spidey for a good amount of time until Tom showed up? Lmao out of nowhere everyone thought TASM2 was just fabulous (no hate to Andrew's spiderman though, he's literally the best spider man)
11:09 Peter isn’t supposed to be a sarcastic bully, he’s supposed to be cheesy “It’s my shocker suit.” “I got a shocker for you. The next suit you’ll be wearing is a prison jumpsuit.”
I gotta say that the Buffy segment was unironically extremely well written and edited. It felt like how I imagine it felt in the show; an abrupt and jarring change in atmosphere that just sticks with you, after all the jokes that came before it. Great work!
That Buffy the vampire slayer “The Body” sidebar in the video is so beautifully put together to explain how grief can be portrayed in a realistic way is sublime! Kudos my guy ❤
one of my friends and i got drunk and watched it about a week ago, and they said something along the lines of "if people donated $1k more it would've been 30 minutes longer" and i completely believe and agree with them. such a self indulgent film that doesnt know when to stop
I mean idk what we expected from a director who "wanted to expose the big budget version of this character's glaring flaws and give people the film they REALLY want 😤"
I've never watched this show because A. It's older than me and B. I've never heard of it in Europe, but it looks like it has queer representation with (I assume) Buffy and another girl??? In the 90s ? What wizardry is this
They really wrote in a scene in which a high school bully professes his unrequited admiration for his victim like he was asking someone out, and thought we wouldn't notice huh? I wonder if the writer's bully has seen it.
It honestly reminds me of Bill Hadar's writing advice. If someone says something feels wrong about your story, they're probably right, there might be something off. Then, whatever they say they would do instead, it's 100% going to be awful. Take the criticism, but ignore the advice. Lotus seems like ultimate proof of this considering why this movie was made.
Heh. I just saw that a snippet of that video--an interview?--like a week or two ago, and yeah, that basically came to mind as soon as Marcus explained why he hates fans and fan works. I don't think they're all universally bad, but...yeah. Something made from a sense of an entitlement that probably still misses the point while also probably making new (and maybe worse) mistakes is bound to be bad and not even in an entertaining way.
I don't 100% agree with Marcus on fan works. I think a lot of fan games can be absolutely fantastic, like Another Metroid 2 Remake or Black Mesa. That said, he is right that a lot of fans feel they can do better, but just saying "I would do this" is probably the easiest thing in the world compared to actually doing it.
@@JMenitta Yeah, I can agree that fan games are tend to be more exempt from his particular criticism when it comes to fan works. Maybe it's because they mostluly occupy an odd middleground where not just anyone can crap them out for free like fan-fics, which can also be fine of course but have *a lot* of drivel. Still, between coding and other issues, it tends to require genuine passion and drive while still not also tending to balloon into being *as* resource-intensive as some fan films can get, at least the ones that to tend too become big and then need to essentially scam people like some bigger fan films do. The latter is maybe also why a lot of the notable crappier video games were (or still are) Kickstarter ones, which is why it earned its bad reputation that still somewhat clings to it. Now I wonder if he's said anything about liking _Sonic Mania_ given I would personally count that as a fan game that's better than most of the things that SEGA has done recently ironically. (Though part of that is admittedly just SEGA refusing to learn from its own mistakes as ever.)
@@MusicoftheDamned Except Sonic Mania isn't a fan game, it started out as one and had some fans in the lead, but it had 3 studios involved to produce it on release Sonic and the Fallen Star, and Triple Trouble 16-bit are the ones that were 100% fan made
@@ayrtonjoga I had meant that it started as a fan game, but, yes, that's fair since it's also obviously official, meaning SEGA did take it over at some point (and thankfully didn't ruin it with their tendency to be their own worst enemy).
Seeing Spiderman go "I can't do this!" and freak out /trauma dump at what is basically a make-a-wish event is so funny to me. That is literally something I would expect to see on robot chicken.
"Years of listening to fans being wrong about everything, all of the time, has built a natural resentment for fan created work" Thank you for managing to give words to this feeling.
Hopefully stuff like this or that awful Vader fan film never getting off the ground or the Sonic Omens controversy finally put the idea that fans inherently make better media than official productions to bed. Those communities are especially bad with that "hire fans mentality" despite them having nothing of value to show for it, the Pokemon, DBZ and RWBY communities also have these problems from my experience lurking in those fandoms.
@@lildominator2953 They were saying they've noticed that problem in communities *they* lurk in, not that the hire fans people are lurking. I think we can all agree they never, EVER lurk quietly 😂
The greatest achievement that Gavin will get is that his movie, which was meant to show everyone in the MCU how it's done, has its own video in the Worst Superhero Movies Ever Made series.
Ikr I am so tired of the stigma people have thinking that “they know better” whenever a franchise releases something they don’t like. If making movies/shows was really as simple as just watching a lot of movies & liking a franchise everyone would be a director without needing to go to College to be qualified.
@@noname-hf9tyPretty much they absolutely despised TROS even though that whole film was basically made by Starwars fans who also think that “they know better”. & tried it’s best to act like TLJ never happened which isn’t a “true Starwars film” apparently.
@@noname-hf9typretty sure prequel fans always liked the prequels. but i get what you mean, this made me appreciate MCU Spider-Man way more and i barely like that iteration
Say what you want about the MCU but at least Tom Hollands Spider-Man had a consistent story about determination, legacy, and just a Peter Parker who doesn’t give up despite his strange circumstances, not a shallow, mellow dramatic Peter Parker who’s such a self pity party that it gets annoying.
For someone who claims to love Spider-Man 2 so much, you can tell he never got Spider-Man 2. That film was made with heart and love. A movie made from spite could never capture that
Also Peter in SM2 was legitimately the most sympathetic character ever, bro constantly made decisions which would hurt his Peter life in order to help others as Spider-Man. This Peter seems like such a prick lmao but then again look who made it. Bunch of racists who Peter Parker would detest in the first place
A lot of spider-man 2 fans dont even understand the movie. They just enjoy the hype it got online and joined the mob mentality of “shit on tom holland tobey maguire is the only good spider man!1!1!1!1.” Really ruined the older spider man watches for me ngl.
@@HippityhoppityGnW it’s even funnier when you remember some of them weren’t even born when it came out I saw it in theatres the week it came out when I was 10. And as a life long fan of the comics, movies, cartoons, all things Spider-Man, I think Holland is a fantastic Spidey
@@jeremyschep3589 fr. Those movies are hella hyped up by nostalgia. The rep some of them get now is bigger than they got back then, especially 3. On an tangent: My one grievance with NWH (before it was released, after it was announced that Tobey and Andrew were coming back) was that what was probably going to be the best Holland movie was gonna put holland in tobey’s shadow. However, that turned out to be false and all three spider men did fantastic jobs as their characters. Despite this, a chunk of the fandom thinks Tobey carried the movie when he wasn’t doing anything below or above the others. Spider-Man has one of the most L fandoms ever.
@@DHynes5 it's more about everyone to be honest, like while miguel says spider-man has to suffer, team miles thinks that they should be allowed to be happy
What I don't like about Spider-Man trauma dumping on a dying child is that despite how much Gavin says he wanted the movie to be comic accurate, Spider-Man giving up is not Spider-Man. Spider-Man ALWAYS gets back up. That's the point of his character. He loses friends, family, jobs, and everything, but he always keeps going. Because he knows that there are people who need him.
THANK YOU! THIS IS WHY PEOPLE LOVE SPIDER-MAN!!!! Not because he’s sad and has bad things happen to him, but because he overcomes it and gets back up. The fact that Gavin and many specific “fans” missed that entirely annoys me.
I really don't get the mentality some fans have where if it's dark it's better by default. (Majora's mask or certain Pokemon fan games for example) it just seems so devaluing to reduce a story of good and evil to only the evil.
I’ve never watched Buffy, but that section hit so hard because it’s true. I found my mom, and like Buffy, I was kind of in a daze. All I could do was call everyone I knew to tell them and finally I called my boss to tell her I wouldn’t be in for a few days. No crying, that all came later, I was just numb.
it's genuinely a very sad but beautiful episode in its portrayal of death and grieving. I have never had anyone I personally know die aside from my grandmother on my dad's side and that was before I was born so I never knew her well, but I have been to a funeral for a great friend my mum knew in highschool and "the body" captures that grief and sadness almost perfectly, for starters no one acts like an edgy 14 year old trying too hard to be shadow the hedgehog. it's painful, it's genuine, and it affects everyone around you differently, I didn't even know him and I finally broke the next day after trying not to cry during the funeral.
@@Superunknown190 My mom passed away in 2007 and I'm still affected by it when it comes around her death day, though it has gotten less as time went on. My experience with her death was very similar in that I was eerily "calm" for some time until something the paramedics said triggered an emotional response from me. But it is scary, that period of stunned numbness in response to trauma. Glad you're doing better.
20:15 I fucking hate this scene, Flash didn't hate Peter Parker because of jealousy, if they where actually comic book accurate, They would would made the reason why he bullies peter be because of his dad, he only was a Bully because his dad was abusive to him, so he wanted to feel superior to others, then after a while he realizes that he was being dumb doing that, then they became friends, then he went to war, lost his legs, became agent venom, Agent Anti-Venom, etc, etc, etc But it wasnt because of jealousy, Flash literally was with black cat and had like, 90 different girls fawning over him, like why would he be jealous of Peter having two girls liking him?
You’re absolutely right about that being the main reason he bullies Peter, but to counterpoint your last statement, the Spider-Man: Blue comic (which is honestly a beautiful tearjerker) has a panel where MJ & Gwen are competing over their affection for Peter. I think he had moved into Harry’s place, & Flash was downstairs asking “lemme get this straight: they’re BOTH up there with him?” I don’t think he’s beyond jealousy, but your point still stands. He even warms up to Peter a little by the end when he announces he’s joining the army.
buffy going out the back door and hearing the world around her is when the episode got me. Just the sound of the world continuing on, like everything is normal - everyone who has lost someone close to them has had that moment. The moment of realizing that the universe doesn't give a rat's ass that this is the worst day of your life
Years ago my family lost a cousin in a car wreck. We were devastated and I actually ran outside in the backyard and pounded the ground yelling. I think about that day a lot and it just feels so unreal.
I just can't believe their "terminally ill" child looks so good. Like, no IVs, no loss of hair to easily shoe cancer, not even someone who's a little thin. Hilarious.
Right? If it did it like in the comics where the reveal was after, I'd think "Okay, it was most likely to hide the fact that the kid is sick, sloppy but understandable", but revealing it before the scene just completely does away with that excuse.
Bro, when I was in college I made a PowerPoint presentation on "The Body" for a Screen Writing course, it was one of my favorite projects. Easiest A I've ever received. It is ABSOLUTELY one of the best episodes of TV, please make more Buffy content. (Or if you got my brain, Angel)
“The Body” was a perfect hour of drama. Buffy was powerless to help the person she loved most, who loved her first and best, her Mom and that crushed Buffy. Her mother gone like that…she was there, then she was gone.
Thé most impressive thing about it, aside from how bold it was to have such a serious take in Buffy specifically, I’d that it managed to convey the sadness, despair and powerlessness of losing a loved one by killing a terrible person…
You know, that part where Cosmonaut said that "young film students don't know how to cut stuff from their films" actually spoke to me, when I was in college I had a classmate that was told to cut some stuff out of her short and she said that she didn't know what to cut out when her short was like 44 MINUTES LONG, lmfao
It’s the classic advice given to writers “kill your darlings”. You’re going to have a bunch of ideas for stories, characters, settings, themes, etc. But even if they’re good. If you turn a book that should only realistically be 300 pages, into almost 1,000 pages. Or a short film that should only really be 10 minutes, into 90 minutes. Then it doesn’t matter how good those ideas are. It’ll be a complete mess of pacing, tonal shifts, and plot threads. Save those ideas for different works, and kill them in the works where they don’t need to be in.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Haha, true but the issue with hers was that she had a lot of dead space and pacing issues, there were scenes that draaaged ooooon for longer that they should've
And not only cutting out whole scenes that don't add anything and mess with the pacing. Just by re-editing all the scenes, one by one, in way they flow better does wonders to the final product. Usually you can trim out 20% of you assembled originally.
In terms of depicting how Spider-Man deals with death, Marvel's Spider-Man PS4 has always hit home for me. I may be biased, since it came to me shortly after the passing of a loved one, but Peter's line, "Do what you think is right, even if it hurts like hell," followed by his final interaction, "I don't know what to do." "Yes, you do", with Aunt May before having to let her die has always been one of my favorite depictions of Peter's character. He knows what's right, and will put himself through hell and back to do it.
I think what was wanted was more of a TASM 2 taking a bit more extreme than the more usual way Peter deals with it. I wouldn't even say how TASM2 does it is rather standard Peter it's really not it's trying to be different which is why I always liked TASM more than Raimi Spiderman, usual comic Spiderman ect.
lol. It blows my mind that people who think and act that way actually exist… but hey there’s everyone out there.. Even gross sick violent gore torture loving killers… the internet shows it all. It really is mind blowing but the thing that is crazier is just how many..even countries full of weird sickos who are cringe
I immediately got the vibes that it was a thinly veiled excuse for the writers to get to rant against Mary Jane as a character. I think they're pretty biased against her.
"If you wanted to be comic accurate so bad you should've paid attention why you even like this story!" Marcus perfectly summarized why fan projects almost always never work. Those people have no idea why they like something, and they tried to replicate without actually understand why those creative choices were made. This video was great though, I didn't even know this was a thing.
"The map is not the territory". I feel like so many people try keep bringing back these favorite moments in comic history with necromancy. They bring back the body, but leave the soul behind. Far better to understand the soul of the thing and put it in a new body, or not bring it back at all and let it inspire you to make something new.
"The kid who collected Spider-Man" is a beautiful, funny and even uplifting story up until the revelation at the end. It shows what Spider-Man is all about. It humanizes him. The fact that we only know the truth at the end gives us that punch in the gut without being overly dramatic (imagine knowing the truth about the kid when you start reading the story). That's what makes it so special. I think these guys didn't get it.
There's also this comic where Spider-Man has a new sidekick called Spider-Bite and fought the Sinister 6, and it was revealed that the whole scenario was just Spider-Man and a cancer patient kid role-playing with his parents and the hospital staff. Gavin literally got 2 stories to use as inspiration and he still botched it by revealing the kid was sick in the beginning and having Spider-Man trauma dump on the kid. Not even a normal person would do that to a kid, let alone the most wholesome superhero of all superheroes.
Lighting seems to be the hardest thing to get right in micro budget movie. It’s straight up what makes a movie seems like a POS or a real motion picture
@@You-Tube-n5k I worked on those too and at some point everyone on the crew kinda goes "It is what it is" 😅. I've DP:d and assisted DP:s on such projects and we all kinda know the ideal way of doing it but the ideal way is to expensive and time consuming.
Yeah. So how did a multi-million dollar production like the MCU manage to have the most blandest, lamest looking Spider-Man movies in existence? Even Marc Webb's piss-poor movies had some decent look to them.
@@antona.1327still looked like an actual movie with legitimate lightening. You know the thing that was being discussed, not the aesthetic design of the cinematography or production design.
I would say that’s true for the most part, but there are exceptions to this. For example, Scooby-Doo: Mystery Incorporated (the new RUclips series, not the one that aired on Cartoon Network) is a passion project that has a darker take on Scooby-Doo and it’s a million times better than that Velma show. You can tell the people behind the series know the source material and respect it. Granted, the series only has one episode right now because it was released last year, but I highly recommend watching it if you love Scooby-Doo.
You can tell the people involved in this project were the the type of people to feel real good about themselves for liking TASM because it was slightly edgier than most superhero movies so they’re automatically elevated pieces of cinema
Sarah Michelle Gellar should be so proud that she’s not racist Spider-Man. She should also be proud of that performance in “The Body.” It’s beyond excellent, it feels real.
@@neutralman9124 it immediately provoked an empathetic response from me. I can’t watch her eyes widen with tears, after she calls her mom “the body,” without immediately feeling my eyes sting and my stomach drop. That’s a primordial response, this thing that’s hard wired into us that recognizes real emotion. In that moment she is Buffy Summers.
Omg I just rewatched Buffy and that scene in “the body” was so intense. The fact that it was one shot. SO hard to watch. Season 5 of Buffy is GOAT’ed. Some of the best TV I’ve ever seen
Feel that the fact that the director thought he “salvaged” the performance of the actress who gave the best performance of the movie is very indicative of the type of ego we’re working with here.
The irony is that both Warden Wayne and Gavin J. Konop had a particular grievance for Tom Holland's version of Spider-Man because they claim that the version of Spider-Man was flawed and they can do justice with the character, meanwhile when John Watts had appreciated their work after watching the trailer of Spider-Man Lotus they had soon reacted to the reply like they're a huge fan of his work, also for the kind information MCU's Spider-Man is way more comic book accurate than their version of Spider-Man, he didn't used anybody as a human shield, he cares about life, he could possibly do anything to save every single life, he is charming, funny, he didn't kill anyone and most importantly he never give up, and these qualities are completely missing from the MCU's version of Spider-Man.
@@disneyfox5726why is this all one sentence? You say MCU is more comic accurate, then end saying that "they" (who???) have a spiderman with qualities all missing from the MCU spiderman? What are you trying to say, please re-read your comment
@@alazkaalazka6087Any idea where that one video where Peni Parker is an anime otaku, and Miles feels uncomfortable, and then it ends with Spider-Man Noir saying the N-Word, and the other ITSV cast gets offended by him?
@29:00 Why did you have to talk about one of THE BEST Hours of TV EVER put to Camera....I Cry simply talking about "The Body"...it is SO FRICKIN INCREDIBLY WELL DONE...😭😭😭😭😭😭...and your breakdown....I started crying again....it is INCREDIBLE...
I lost my mom unexpectedly in late April. She was 59. I just wanted to say your segment on Buffy, a show I have never watched, was beautiful and so well spoken. Made me laugh and cry at the same time. Thanks for making us laugh for so many years.
@@anonafiao1692 So you think a video where a girl losing her mother and learning to cope with the situation is given as an example isn't the right place to talk about losing a family member? Geez man, have some chill.
I'm with you there. I lost my mom almost 2 months ago very suddenly as well and she was also 59. This vid was comforting to acknowledge all the feelings that come in the grieving process. Wanted to let you know you're not alone bud
My mom passed suddenly of a stroke this summer at 57. I've been told by friends who've gone through something similar that it takes years to move forward, but you never move on. You're not alone bro
I’ve never seen Buffy the vampire slayer, but when you showed the scene where Buffy said “we’re not suppose to move the body” that shocked me, that experience I felt was crazy. Thank you I will never forget that scene now.
The worst part is, "Spider-Man gets a sick kid to remind him why he's Spider-Man" was done in a motion format. It was adapted in an episode of Spider-Man TAS. As someone who saw that as a kid and hadn't read the comic, it's stuck with me ALL these years. And it did in it like 30 minutes while juggling a Doc-Ock plot.
They were clearly going for the scene from the comics where Peter similarly lashes out at MJ. But they forgot the most crucial part of the scene: Mary Jane chooses to comfort Peter after he tells her to leave, serving as the lynchpin that allows him to move on.
I've never seen Buffy, but hearing Marcus talk about the episode "The Body" genuinely moved me, and made me care about what happens... and I had zero attachment to the characters of the show before hand. That's a powerful episode, and a powerful description from Marcus.
Now imagine it for someone like me, who grew up watching the show and then this episode airs? A punch to the gut. You haven't even seen Anya's (she's a demon) reaction to it. how she slowly realizes that human lives are fragile and how this being she grew to love will no longer exist... that speech and performance was gut wrenching. And I think Marcus missed the point when buffy opens the door. She opens the door and stares outside. Birds are softly chirping. You can hear kids playing. Her world is falling apart but just outside her doorsteps, everything is fine.
@@miguelb5661yeah her reaction when something bad happens is to search for the source of evil by evaluating the situation in order to defeat it. She was thrown off by how much she wanted it to be supernatural instead of natural because she’s so used to it.
Most of the scenes in this movie feel like a mexican telenovela, I was truly waiting for a white rose to appear out of nowhere and wind to blow on the characters' face for an uncomfortable amount of time
I genuinely hope Gavin sees this. There’s some really good advice in this video, both on being a better artist and on being a better person. He definitely needs it.
man, as someone who lost their dad relatively recently, your discussion of portrayals of grief really hit close to home. i've never watched an episode of buffy in my life, but even just hearing about that episode almost made me cry. and then there's this nightmare of hollow storytelling. jesus christ. amazing video, though. subscribing for sure!
Firstly, I'm sorry for your loss. I also lost my dad not long back and it still hurts like hell. Secondly, you should absolutely watch Buffy in its entirety. It can be very camp and cheesy at points (especially the first season which is.. rough), but it is absolutely worth the investment. Easily my favourite TV show of all time, and one that has helped me through a lot of rough spots in my life.
@@padawansound6423 Thank you, you're very kind. I'm sorry to you too, man. But thanks for the recommendation! It's actually something I've wanted to watch for a while, but I've just never gotten around to it, y'know? But I definitely want to watch it eventually!! Good to know how important it is to someone, that kind of recommendation always makes me smile.
In high school I went to an art camp for film and one of my teachers said something that stuck with me “student films are always either one of two things: too long or WAY too long”
Yeah. My partner is doing digital media for her degree. I am no expert but I told her after she is done with a video, look it over and cut out half. Seems like everyone needs to do that for student work from all I've watched.
Marcus finally exploding in frustration at 26:15 and again at 27:20 is truly a beautiful thing, had me rolling on the floor laughing. And then the transition to talking about "The Body," this is a fucking amazing video from a channel chalk full of great content. 11/10
I think the fact Jon Watts & Andrew Garfield went out of their way to acknowledge Lotus & say it looks cool - & Gavin took the praise from a literal Spider-Man director & actor as a chance to shit on their movies - says all you need to know On another note though I really need to watch Buffy huh
@@Ligmaballin I always felt bad Andrew. Dude basically got his dream job: Not only did he get to Play Spiderman, but also his girlfriend played the love interest. But that dream was crushed by the fact that they were remembered as the worst movies. Edit: I should've made it 'remembered' as the worst movies, since most people seem to lump the two movies together and judge them both based on the last one to release. Apparently there are a lot more AS1 fans than I gave credit for. (I personally liked both films btw)
@@nbewarwe more like "a movie". It was the second one that got mixed reception thanks to not learning any lesson from Raimi Spider-Man 3. A shame as well cause it has the best VFX out of all three Spider-Men
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 I've always wondered how they'd react to the best spiderman movies being starred by a black dude. Thank you for confirming the trauma is so deep they're still in denial
The way Cosmonaut talked about Buffy was so effective and impactful. I've never seen the show but he was so good at immersing me and making his point clear. Probably one of my favorite segments from him.
I implore you to watch the show (I seem to be saying this in a lot of the comment replies on this video). Get through the first season and a half. Once it finds its feet, it really does become one of the best shows of all time. Saying that, even when it's bad, its charming.
Wow. With how badly he spoke about the actors trying to make his movie happen, hes likely going to have a hard time finding people willing to work with him in the future.
i think the director and the main actor have a great career in front of them... in the right wing/christian film industry... they are exactly the kind of people who make those bad movies.
Amazing. The guy promised to do the best fan film ever, got a hundred thousand dollars, he was adapting his favorite super hero, but still he didn't bother to study a simple screenplay structure. He just assumed he could write better than professionals.
I’m impressed that this guy found a way to include actual loading screens from like a video game into the movie.
i was thinking they looked just like gta loading screens😭
@@marcotontodonati347 GTA Online loading screens and not GTA 4 sadly.
The first time it happened I thought the movie was buffering when it faded to black in a transition, it just lasted so long, followed by pointless establishing shots
@@marcotontodonati347even GTA loading screens are better
@@marcotontodonati347 At least GTA had very catchy music in the loadings
The kid who held onto the DMs FOR YEARS to get revenge for the guy no longer being his friend is crazy. He's literally a real life Syndrome LMAO
I remember people memeing about the kid being the Reverse Flash to Gavin's "Flash" and it was fun. I think the kid even changed his twitter profile pic to one of Thawne
his story would be a better movie than lotus
That whole revelation was crazy
Reminds me of that Southpark episode where everyone's dirty laundry on the internet got leaked.
Bros on Aizen level plotting😭
Finding out that all the drama was exposed because someone felt wronged at 10 years old is the craziest part of this whole saga to me
Reminder to not be toxic to children online
Karma is a patient mistress
This is one of the only fair circumstance to use the victim card. When a child says "I was treated unfairly" and she doesn't have dramatic/overbearing parents, or is a liar...
It's giving very "you shoulda never called me a fat ass Kelly Price" energy.
No one saw that twist Syndrome redemption arc lmfao
In the original comic, when Peter snaps at MJ, what he says is really harsh, but he says it in two panels of dialogue, and it happens right after his fight with the Goblin when his feelings of grief and anger are at their peak. It isn’t true but it hits a nerve because it’s the kind of thing people say about MJ all the time. It clearly hurts her and she almost leaves, but she decides to stay because she really does care about Gwen and wants to be there for Peter now that she’s gone. It’s a beautiful scene that develops the characters and their friendship really thoughtfully
In the movie, Peter rants and raves for like a solid thirty seconds, several weeks after Gwen’s death, right after MJ complains that no one will go out with her - as if she really is the selfish party girl who wants to be the center of attention - and she doesn’t even get offended. She just gets defensive and tries to brush the criticism off. It’s like Gavin read the original comic and really thought “yeah, Peter! You show that girl what’s what!” Such a terrible take on that moment
That is painfully the same thing I was thinking minus the particular comic book issue reference. No extroverted teenager girl would randomly go up to a grieving friend and say “no one will go out with me”. Please don’t tell me Gavin actually thinks girls do this 🤦🏻♀️
People obsessed with comic accuracy always seem to be the people who understand the least about the emotions behind the comic. The most important part of what makes a story good
I get the feeling the writer/director was not a fan of MJ.
She deserved it.
@@shiethegal I get the feeling the writer/director was not a fan of Spider-Man.
I love the inclusion of the "COSMONAUT QUICKIEEEEEE!" intro for a near 40 minute video.
We love a little mischief around here
@@cosmonautvarietyhourSilly trickster cosmo is best cosmo
@@cosmonautvarietyhour Marcus does a little trolling
@@cosmonautvarietyhourwe love the longer videos😂 at least i do
@@cosmonautvarietyhoura bundle of bewilderment?
To be fair, few things are more comic book accurate than taking a beloved story arc from decades ago and running it into the ground.
*Sins Past has entered the chat*
@@FeatherSnake007Sins past has been retconned, so it's not a concern anymore
@@FeatherSnake007still inconsolable over the fact that Mysterio and Harry basically got his dad high as balls and punked him into giving Mysterio backshots
Flashpoint literally Flashpoint literally Flashpoint. Do people working on Flash media know there are more stories to him than just Flashpoint? Like he isn't just the multiverse/convenient reset character.
Wouldn't really know. Aside from manga my comic book consumption mainly consists of Donald Duck and European stuff, so I haven't really ran into that nonesense.
(Edit) Oh, also Calvin & Hobbes and Peanuts.
The problem with hardcore Spider-Man fans is that their love for watching Spider-Man struggles has devolved into a fetishization of his pain in stories. Therefore, they think that if a story primarily focuses on his pain and sacrifices is the peak of his character. It’s not. What’s so compelling about the character is that despite his pain, he still stays dedicated, kind and good.
Thats a problem with a ton of other fandoms too
Most Spider-man stories are set in-between Spider-Man's painful life events. The problem with movies is that they have to compress decades of loss into 2 hour movies. Spider-Man is usually a pretty upbeat guy with occasional trauma, but he's not Batman. Even as an adult he is still a fairly positive guy.
reminds me of frank ocean fans tbh
Two things one: somebody please send this comment to Nick Lowe and Zeb Wells. Keep in mind I am the guy who started a petition on Change.0rg (I had to replace the o with a 0 because RUclips doesn't allow external links) to undo One More Day. And two: There is a good reason every single version of the story where Peter stops being Spider-Man, has him back to being Spider-Man, it is because of what you just described, that despite his pain, he still stays dedicated, kind, and good. If he was a character that was solely focused on his pain he wouldn't become Spider-Man again (in any version of the story) because there is only so much pain that one person can endure. I bring this up because while the filmmakers of Spider-Man Locus may like Spider-Man 2 that certainly doesn't mean they understand it at all.
That's why I find Spiderverse's Peter B. Parker super interesting. He has his lows and he starts the saga in his lowest point of his life but he is still kind and a good person. Seeing a Spiderman with a kid and happily married is super refreshing
Ngl the thirty-second establishing shots feel like I’m changing scenes in a video game and they need something for me to watch while it loads the environment.
Like put this thing on an SSD already. Goddamn. I'd turn the game off if every loading screen was 30 seconds long lmao.
Decent special effects, bad lighting, needlessly pissed off actors, terrible people behind the camera...
I think this guy has a future making Netflix movies!
Next zack snyder 🤣
@@Chadcat180😐
@@Derg2003 why the face ? Im right
@@Chadcat180 right you are
I would say blame the gjk on the cameras, as ya know, he fuckin okayed the shitty ass lighting because he’s a shit director, but tbf I don’t know that much on this stuff just watched a few videos on this movie lol, and I believe that blaming the dumbass, in charge of the project who okayed the visuals is better than blaming the ppl who just wanted to get paid.
The story about the kid who felt spited by the production is a better story than the movie itself
I want to see a movie about that 😂 a “The Disaster Artist” style film
Replace production with super heroes and then you got syndromes origin
The funniest thing is the kid was also racist supposedly 😂
@@carltontaylor6500 oh hi mark
I would love it if someone made a movie about that
Say what you want about TASM2, but the one 15 second cut of Peter in front of Gwen's grave over the course of the seasons has more nuance, maturity and subtlety in handling her death than this entire two hour fan film.
Even that hilariously bad "action" scene at the end with Paul Giamati Rhino is leaps and bounds anything we see in this p.o.s... There they at least stay true to Peter's character: we see that, even though he's downright devastated with grief, he still has time to save a child and tell him a few kind words. In Lotus...he uses inocent by-standers as human shields...'nuff said...
Not trying to defend the film, but they weren't innocent bystanders. They were other goons. Peter would still not sacrifice them, but it's not the same as "innocent"@@madsgrams2069
Lotus makes TASM2 a more thrilling movie and at least the 2 and a half hour runtime is better paced than an ALMOST 2 hour fan film
It also does "Spider-Man having a friendship with a child" much better than this train wreck (yes I know it isn't the same since the child isn't dying but there are similarities), and it probably isn't the best sign when TASM2 is better than this fan film in every conceivable way.
Yeah I wasn't a fan of that movie at all... But I'd pick that over this piece of horse shit
Ive never watched buffy before but your segment struck me so hard. I lost my mom in 2020 and her delusions of them saving her mother and everything fixing itself is the most realistic bit of grieving ive seen in tv.
Sorry for your loss
Dang man. Hope you’re feeling better. And hope life gets chill af for you
I agree, I lost my mom when I was a teenager and that episode hits me incredibly hard; it is a painfully well done depiction of grief and losing a loved one.
@@osirisatot19 i believe the build up to buffy finally calling ger mom the body is one of the best symbols for grief ive ever seen in media. I dont really process grief on my own, i need to see others process their own grief and understand how theirs connects with mine, so tbis helped alot. I hope youre in a better place now man. Make her proud.
@@DROPOUTCRIS I agree, and thank you and I hope you are as well, losing a loved one is never something you ever really get over, it just hurts less.
I actually got so invested in Marcus' analysis of 'The Body' that I forgot it was in the middle of Spider-Man Lotus... What a harsh snap back to reality that was.
Ohh there goes gravity
Shame he spoiled it 🤦🏾♂️
@@Shockkings0714 did you just casually ignore the big spoiler warning before it?
@@notg_c2639 He says his mom dies right after the alert. Didn’t even give me the chance to skip.
What
BRUH, I CAN'T BELIEVE SOME 10-YEAR-OLD SPENT 5 YEARS COLLECTING DMS OF ONE GUY JUST FOR REVENGE. THAT'S SOME ARCH-NEMESIS LORE RIGHT THERE.
Jason Todd is mistreated by Batman, burns Gotham to the ground as Red Hood
I'm the type to do that, He taught him a lesson to watch how you talk to people and have some God damn respect. Some people will start plotting on you
@@WillactTvI'm the kind of person to go through all that trouble then misclick and hit delete instead of post
Bro literally had a villain arch. He became syndrome
@@Montesama314to be fair, what happened to Jason was just a little bit more complex than simply being "mistreated by Batman" but I'm sure you know that.
Last year my family dealt with a tragedy basically the same as in Buffy. The feelings were spot on. Especially the cold routine of the paramedics. Never knew that episode even existed and certainly didn't expect it in a Spiderman Lotus review.
Talk about emotional whiplash
This wasn’t with a human family member, but I remember something similar happening with a dog we had just before my junior year of high school began. I specifically remember her running up to the door to greet us as she always did, and how I walked past her to drop something off at my room, not giving her much thought, and not knowing that the last time I would see HER had already passed. It’s fucking awful when that type of thing just blindsides you out of nowhere. I’m sorry for your loss.
Sorry for your loss man
sorry to here about that man, hope you're doing okay now. Also want to say keep up the great vids on all your channels and have a good one.
Sorry to hear that Cody
sorry for ur loss. Also love channel cant wait for pacific rim uprising
ironically this fan film makes me love and appreciate MCU Spidey even more that I already have.
Same I love the MCU Spider-Man after watching this movie I appreciate it more at least Tom's version isn't a self centered dick
Professional actors with a professional team that knows what they’re doing
Me too, me too! I'm really thankful for real awesome MCU Spider-Man movies now.
Yeah, say what you want about MCU Peter; but at least he is hopeful and kind, and doesn't spend all his time moping and yelling at everyone.
This peter is like all the bad things in every live action spider man that we had.
As a person named Gavin who also enjoys Spider-Man and wanted to one day make or work on something Spider-Man related, this whole situation feels like the darkest timeline of that
Do you also say the n word regularly?
Look at it this way: It's only up from here
That just means you're the better Gavin. Gavin Prime
"I'm Gavin Konop's, but you can call me "Spider-man lotus Director"."
@@ProjektTaku THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING
That kid that waited 5 years to get back at Gavin is such an insane story man. That’s some level of petty shit I LOVE.
Bro got syndrome syndrome.
I love the fact that Marcus just showed footage of Syndrome for that part, dude is literally Real Life Syndrome
Mfer woke up one day to feel like a hater.
Inspiring levels of pettiness.
Ill get you spidermaaaaan!
He really asked himself “If I could make my dream Spiderman movie, what would it be?” and decided on Peter Parker moping around for 2 hours
White guys with brown hair: "Oh my god he's literally me"
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That’s these Spider-Man fanatics ideal movie. Just Peter being a sad fuck the whole time, because it’s so “relatable” 😂.
turns out, its really hard to make a movie, its ok to critacise films but the fact films even get made (proabbly the same with games) is staggering. like 100 people doing their best work and knowing what everone else wants. locations the right actors lighting, its kinda crazy.
Yeah, way more accurate to the character than ''MR STARK MADE ME THIS SUIT THIS IS AWESOME WOW THANK YOU MR STARK''. MCU stans, us Spider-Man fans... Yeah, we don't like you. Then again, no self-respecting Marvel Comics fan is ever gonna like an MCU fan.
the moment of "Buffy Time" actually reflected to me, i just lost my grandma and it's too hard to think about how can i carry on
Sorry for your loss
How are you holding up now?
May she Rest In Peace forever 🤍
Hope you're doing ok.
I remember emailing Gavin about what it's like being a film director for a college essay and he told me how "it's important to stay humble and not get carried away with all the power" he really should have taken his own words to heart💀
Bro really said "with great power comes great responsibility" 💀
Narcissistic types love giving out advice they themselves will never follow. It allows them to be The Mentor, regardless of ability or qualification.
Bro thinks he's actually Spider-Man
I smell hypocrisy
@@WolfHreda do you have proof he's a narcissist?
The goblin laugh over "the actor was a pedo....and he was racist" really took me out.
Maybe he was trying to truly embody the character
I don’t think the green goblin was gobblin on some kids in the comics
@@biggoofy depends on which comic.
Ableist was a bit of a stretch. But yeah, he seems like he was at least a moron then at best.
@@thebigredwave Wait HE ACTUALLY DID THAT IN THE COMICS?!
Movies like this really go to show that being loyal to the source material doesn’t mean squat if you can’t back it up with good performances, writing, camerawork and editing
In short, idea is nothing without good execution
They're only loyal in superficial things like the suit. Not the actual writing.
they WEREN't even loyal to the source material tho that's the worst part lmao, all this just to have spidey kill civilians in his first action scene im baffled
and understanding of the source material
Zach Snyder moment 😔
Brother that Buffy breakdown brought me tears.
First responder for seven years. Been to many houses for “The Body” calls. I can confirm most of the time the way Buffy acted from start to finish is 100% accurate.
Yeah as someone who has been through something like that I kinda had to start skipping through some of that. It felt way too real and started giving me flashbacks. I commend the director, writers, and Sarah Michelle Gellar for creating such a powerful, impactful, and accurate scene but I don't think I could ever watch that in it's entirety myself.
The fact that the director really shit talked his actors in a group chat, putting the blame all on them instead of his amateur directing skills is crazy. No one will ever wanna work with this guy. I can only imagine the notes he gave them and how rehearsals went. If there even were rehearsals…
“All of my actors and actresses suck” my brother in Christ you are the director
Lmfao
It reeks of a bloated ego, this kid had way to many yes men in his corner claiming he was genius when it comes to Spider-Man etc. I really hope all the negative backlash gives him a reality check.
From what I watched before I got bored, it looked like they only shot a couple of takes.
I believe the director knew what he wanted, but didn’t take the time to flesh anything out. Or didn’t know how.
Wizards will say: "My apprentice is severely lacking in the arcane arts"... my brother is wizardly wonders, you taught him how to cast!@@tuckermayatt2705
“My dad wasn’t around much but when he was….he was around”
10/10 writing
I think he was trying to say that his dad was not exactly involved in his life? Honestly, that needed a rewrite
I see what they were going for but I don’t think the actor pulled the line off very well
it means the time he was around he was just “there” like not doing for him or interacting with him only existing i get it cuz i went thru it 😂😂
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A few notes on the depiction of Spider-Man here just like from a writing perspective
1. Spider-Man is def the type of character who when faced with grief internalizes it and blames himself, not someone who lashes out at everyone around him. He takes responsibility even when its not his fault, thats the whole idea
2. When it comes to the kid he would, without question, try to be normal and quippy and stuff but without putting his heart in it and when it gets too much to take, like the kid asks too many things or brings up too many bad memories, he would either excuse himself or just bounce when he's not looking. He'd beat himself up over that decision later, but thats what he'd do.
3. Peter ain't cool. He's got a good social circle and I could see people being amazed that he gets the attention of a few popular girls, but I don't think folk would naturally find themselves being jealous of him or wishing they had what he had. Frankly the most accurate version of showing Peter hanging out with his friends would be like him DMing a DND session at his house with like at most Harry, MJ, and whatever the extremely nerdy friend du jour is. The reason Peter has charisma is because he has a mask to hide behind, in his day to day life people probably just see him as a quiet geeky kid.
Also just like general notes is because people process grief in different ways it would be good to show that? Like MJ would probably be very openly sad, Harry would probably get mad, and Peter would probably wall himself off. Play in that space and see how these three different coping methods interact and intersect with one another and the strain it puts on their relationship and for gods sake show us what normal looks like before then
alot of this sort of changed and was altered in like TASM which is you having the more Outward expression of grief which is more relatable these days than totally internalized(Symbiote was important cause it actually externalized his internal feelings), also Peter I like more when he came off as a loner in TASM just going through the motions than like the nerd but yeah this is definitely not the traditional Peter Parker but yk I like TASM's rendition more also in TNAS Peter was a bit cooler iirc
MJ would likely wall it off like Peter unless she was at a breaking point.
A major reason they were drew to each other is because they both spent their youth hiding behind masks.
Wow!! thanks Stan Lee !! Or the other creator of spider-man!!! I’m so glad you came back from death to let us know the 100% facts that only you GuYs know
Tbh, I would be fine with the alterations to Peter had the movie taken the time to properly establish this version of him. I don't hate the idea of different interpretations of a character as long as the core of who they are is kept in tact. That being said, again, they didn't really go into what Peter is like in this movie, and also, they were really priding themselves on this being a super accurate depiction of Peter Parker. So that's why the decisions they made with the way he acts feels so baffling to me.
@user-gw3bs2in5i agreed. Like it would be a weird version of the character to be sure but like they really did drop us in the middle of a story arc expecting us to be all caught up.
That said it does deeply just go against the character with a lot of the decisions
My god that closing statement of “you should not produce your dream project as your first project” was something I’ve needed to hear. For so long I’ve been wanting to start a career in film and I’ve wanted to do it by producing my dream project to showcase my vision at its purest, but your this video and it’s conclusion have helped me see that is not the path I should start on. Thank you, I needed to hear that so badly.
Same here, I’ve had this idea for a Top Gun-like sci-fi adventure called Aviation. I’ve always envisioned it either being a live action blockbuster or an animated film but I’d have to be at least a level 15 filmmaker with at least several projects behind me to even consider funding it. When Marcus brought up dream projects, my mind went to Tick, Tick… Boom!, a project that was created in the wake of failure. Jonathan Larson (best known for the musical Rent) created Tick, Tick… Boom! after slaving for 8 years trying to get his dystopian show Superbia off the ground. The show is all about how over-ambition can cast shadows over friendships, love, creativity, confidence, and everyday responsibilities. This is the pit that can strain any artist from reaching their full potential and hearing Marcus affirm this reminded me why he’s among my top 5 creators.
Yep that’s something I should’ve learned with my first movie
Really, there is a reason why Star Wars wasn't the first film George Lucas ever made, or The Godfather wasn't the first film that Francis Ford Coppola made, or Lord of the Rings wasn't the first thing Peter Jackson ever made, and so on and so forth. If you have a dream project and if you have the chance to make it, absolutely go for it! But you should get your feet wet with other projects first, or else you might just end up like Gavin here.
Fr itll come out SO much better if you got experience first
I feel that man, I'm in a similar boat as you where I would love to get a feature up and going, but I'm definitely not there yet.
Best thing I'm trying to do is make short films and fun lil passion projects
Having MJ say to Peter "nobody wants to go out with me" while standing over Peters GFs grave is fucking wild 💀💀💀
Am I wrong for thinking she deserved to get her ass chewed out for that? Even if it’s not fitting for Peter
Loololol
I’m sure the writer thinks that’s the actual thought process of fEmOiDs.
@@ThePatchedVest 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@ThePatchedVest he of course he does. This movie was made by incels
Spider-Man Lotus has really shown how unhealthy a lot of fans are in terms of engaging with Spider-Man media. It's perfectly fine to not like the MCU Spider-Man films (or any Spider-Man adaptation, for that matter), but when that hatred is used as fuel to make a movie to spite something you don't personally like, then it no longer feels sincere or honest. A fan-made piece of media should feel like a labor of love, not a way to one-up random RUclipsrs and directors.
This might be an unpopular opinion but I feel it's very similar to the current spider man comics today. whether its amazing spider man randomly killing off ms marvel or fans being overly toxic over the fact that MJ isn't into Peter anymore, it's not great
I wonder what Andrew Garfield and Jon Watts thought when they heard about the drama
Yea, like u said it’s very indicative of the toxic relationship Spider-Man fans have with the character and it seems like they just want to him to be a depressed little shit the whole time. It also goes to show that fan opinions should be taken with a grain of salt (most of the time) because some guy typing behind a screen 9/10 knows nothing about what he’s criticizing, and should have no say in the direction a project should go.
Media in general*
It's one of the reason many writers don't want to write for Spider-man, even Chip Zdarsky who wrote one of the best modern Spider-man stories would rather write him guest appearing in Daredevil than a full book
It's kind of funny that one of the likely "flaws" the guy thought the MCU Spidey films had were what people think the dialogue in the MCU is like, and then he immediately makes dialogue that is way worse than that. It's like the pot calling the pan black, but the pan is actually one of those colorful ceramic pans.
The guy thought MCU Spidey’s flaws were Stark, just like every MCU Spidey hater and Raimi fanboy. I’m honestly surprised there weren’t a thousand references to Uncle Ben to remind us that he does indeed exist.
@@androidsenpai1462
Don't turn fair critique into fanboy spillage. There are many good reasons to not like Tom's Spider-man.
@@CatBxtchNami But simply being connected to Tony Stark isn't one of them. Heck it would probably add more to his character since he lost ANOTHER father figure when Tony died. Plus I like the idea of the other Avengers not taking him seriously so he has to solve his own problems since Spidey usually works alone. Also didn't Andrew's Spidey have to get his webbing from Oscorp?
@@Shonin23 leave em be, remember how these Raimi fanboys hated on Andrew's spidey for a good amount of time until Tom showed up? Lmao out of nowhere everyone thought TASM2 was just fabulous (no hate to Andrew's spiderman though, he's literally the best spider man)
@@Fraeyola
Fair. TASM2 is alright actually. I don’t think there’s a single live action Spider-Man movie that’s bad
11:09 Peter isn’t supposed to be a sarcastic bully, he’s supposed to be cheesy
“It’s my shocker suit.”
“I got a shocker for you. The next suit you’ll be wearing is a prison jumpsuit.”
You think the creators and backers of this movie know how to be anything other than sarcastic bullies?
@@horsepaste They know how to be racist I guess. Jacks of all hates.
you effortlessly wrote a much better exchange than this feature-length film, in a youtube comment of all places
That genuinely made me laugh harder than the actual screen written joke for this movie.
@@AYVYNIt wouldn’t surprise me if they watch Rick and Morty
I loved when miles showed up and lotus said "you could never be Spider-Man"
Harry tells me you're quite the Grand Wiz! You know, I'm something of the supremacist myself.
He would have said way worse than that lol
“because i’m the real black spiderman… by 5%!”
0.5% my b
I loved when Chris Hansen came in and told green goblin to take a seat
I gotta say that the Buffy segment was unironically extremely well written and edited. It felt like how I imagine it felt in the show; an abrupt and jarring change in atmosphere that just sticks with you, after all the jokes that came before it. Great work!
Can confirm when I first watched it I was a hysterical mess and I actually burst into tears during this little segment during this video LMAO
I was actually crying the way marcus was describing it. I felt empty. That shit hit in ma soul
That Buffy the vampire slayer “The Body” sidebar in the video is so beautifully put together to explain how grief can be portrayed in a realistic way is sublime! Kudos my guy ❤
one of my friends and i got drunk and watched it about a week ago, and they said something along the lines of "if people donated $1k more it would've been 30 minutes longer" and i completely believe and agree with them. such a self indulgent film that doesnt know when to stop
That is incredibly accurate
I mean idk what we expected from a director who "wanted to expose the big budget version of this character's glaring flaws and give people the film they REALLY want 😤"
More walking and NYC shots
@@navi2257and establishing shots… that establish nothing
And that 30 minutes would all be establishing shots.
the analysis and explanation of ‘the body’ is some really excellent stuff and one of my favourite things marcus has ever done
I feel like it could stand as its own video honestly
ikr? what a wonderful tangent
I've never watched this show because A. It's older than me and B. I've never heard of it in Europe, but it looks like it has queer representation with (I assume) Buffy and another girl??? In the 90s ? What wizardry is this
Honestly it was so good that I legitimately forgot that this video was about the racist spider man 😂
@@SwainixFPV only with the other girl, but she's the best character
This whole film is ironically inspirational. It tells young filmmakers "hey. This shit got made. I can probably do something better, if not easier."
Like Bukowski in Factotum.
He says sometimes he thinks he sucks at writing, but then picks up the nearest book and those thoughts disappear.
Same way I look at Doug Walker.
@@daelen.cclarkor Tommy Wiseau and the guy who made Birdemic
@@vitoc8454people who unironically made better stuff than this shitty movie
I can't believe the budget for this movie is apparently 125,000
They really wrote in a scene in which a high school bully professes his unrequited admiration for his victim like he was asking someone out, and thought we wouldn't notice huh?
I wonder if the writer's bully has seen it.
I also like how MJ just kinda stands there and lets him monologue.
It honestly reminds me of Bill Hadar's writing advice. If someone says something feels wrong about your story, they're probably right, there might be something off. Then, whatever they say they would do instead, it's 100% going to be awful. Take the criticism, but ignore the advice. Lotus seems like ultimate proof of this considering why this movie was made.
Heh. I just saw that a snippet of that video--an interview?--like a week or two ago, and yeah, that basically came to mind as soon as Marcus explained why he hates fans and fan works. I don't think they're all universally bad, but...yeah. Something made from a sense of an entitlement that probably still misses the point while also probably making new (and maybe worse) mistakes is bound to be bad and not even in an entertaining way.
I don't 100% agree with Marcus on fan works. I think a lot of fan games can be absolutely fantastic, like Another Metroid 2 Remake or Black Mesa. That said, he is right that a lot of fans feel they can do better, but just saying "I would do this" is probably the easiest thing in the world compared to actually doing it.
@@JMenitta Yeah, I can agree that fan games are tend to be more exempt from his particular criticism when it comes to fan works. Maybe it's because they mostluly occupy an odd middleground where not just anyone can crap them out for free like fan-fics, which can also be fine of course but have *a lot* of drivel. Still, between coding and other issues, it tends to require genuine passion and drive while still not also tending to balloon into being *as* resource-intensive as some fan films can get, at least the ones that to tend too become big and then need to essentially scam people like some bigger fan films do. The latter is maybe also why a lot of the notable crappier video games were (or still are) Kickstarter ones, which is why it earned its bad reputation that still somewhat clings to it.
Now I wonder if he's said anything about liking _Sonic Mania_ given I would personally count that as a fan game that's better than most of the things that SEGA has done recently ironically. (Though part of that is admittedly just SEGA refusing to learn from its own mistakes as ever.)
@@MusicoftheDamned Except Sonic Mania isn't a fan game, it started out as one and had some fans in the lead, but it had 3 studios involved to produce it on release
Sonic and the Fallen Star, and Triple Trouble 16-bit are the ones that were 100% fan made
@@ayrtonjoga I had meant that it started as a fan game, but, yes, that's fair since it's also obviously official, meaning SEGA did take it over at some point (and thankfully didn't ruin it with their tendency to be their own worst enemy).
"Most brown haired white boys love spider man."
As a 22 year old brown haired white male who loves spider-man, I approve of Marcus's commentary
As a 40 year-old white man that was once a brown haired white boy I agree
@@dkfritoAs a 55 year old, white guy with (mostly) brown hair, I concur.
Literally me
To be fair, who DOESN'T like Spider-Man? Except for Bill Maher and DC stans obviously.
As a fellow 22 year old white dude with brown hair (and some blonde highlights), I concur with this viewpoint.
Seeing Spiderman go "I can't do this!" and freak out /trauma dump at what is basically a make-a-wish event is so funny to me. That is literally something I would expect to see on robot chicken.
😂
😆😆 it had to be made for robot chicken
how can I make this about meeeeee 😭
@jabrone.destoroyah is it actually1?
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28:47 I haven’t watched Buffy, but Deference for Darkness popping in right there still gave me the feels. Beautiful edit Markus, thank you
"Years of listening to fans being wrong about everything, all of the time, has built a natural resentment for fan created work" Thank you for managing to give words to this feeling.
Hopefully stuff like this or that awful Vader fan film never getting off the ground or the Sonic Omens controversy finally put the idea that fans inherently make better media than official productions to bed. Those communities are especially bad with that "hire fans mentality" despite them having nothing of value to show for it, the Pokemon, DBZ and RWBY communities also have these problems from my experience lurking in those fandoms.
@LJK401 they ain't even lurking for the most part they're the loudest bunch in the fandoms
@@lildominator2953 They were saying they've noticed that problem in communities *they* lurk in, not that the hire fans people are lurking. I think we can all agree they never, EVER lurk quietly 😂
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69wait hold on what happened with sonic omens?
@@Badmanpuntbaxter ah shit I see I read it wrong now 🤣
The greatest achievement that Gavin will get is that his movie, which was meant to show everyone in the MCU how it's done, has its own video in the Worst Superhero Movies Ever Made series.
Ikr I am so tired of the stigma people have thinking that “they know better” whenever a franchise releases something they don’t like. If making movies/shows was really as simple as just watching a lot of movies & liking a franchise everyone would be a director without needing to go to College to be qualified.
Actually kinda funny that an anti-mcu spite film about spiderman just made me appreciate the nuance of spiderman, is this how prequel fans feel?
@@noname-hf9tyPretty much they absolutely despised TROS even though that whole film was basically made by Starwars fans who also think that “they know better”. & tried it’s best to act like TLJ never happened which isn’t a “true Starwars film” apparently.
@@noname-hf9typretty sure prequel fans always liked the prequels. but i get what you mean, this made me appreciate MCU Spider-Man way more and i barely like that iteration
Say what you want about the MCU but at least Tom Hollands Spider-Man had a consistent story about determination, legacy, and just a Peter Parker who doesn’t give up despite his strange circumstances, not a shallow, mellow dramatic Peter Parker who’s such a self pity party that it gets annoying.
I wasn’t expecting a mini-essay on The Body but god it’s so well-deserved
For someone who claims to love Spider-Man 2 so much, you can tell he never got Spider-Man 2.
That film was made with heart and love. A movie made from spite could never capture that
Also Peter in SM2 was legitimately the most sympathetic character ever, bro constantly made decisions which would hurt his Peter life in order to help others as Spider-Man. This Peter seems like such a prick lmao but then again look who made it. Bunch of racists who Peter Parker would detest in the first place
A lot of spider-man 2 fans dont even understand the movie. They just enjoy the hype it got online and joined the mob mentality of “shit on tom holland tobey maguire is the only good spider man!1!1!1!1.” Really ruined the older spider man watches for me ngl.
@@HippityhoppityGnW it’s even funnier when you remember some of them weren’t even born when it came out
I saw it in theatres the week it came out when I was 10. And as a life long fan of the comics, movies, cartoons, all things Spider-Man, I think Holland is a fantastic Spidey
@@HippityhoppityGnW Also a lot of Raimi fanboys think that those movies were the most comic accurate too for some reason lol
@@jeremyschep3589 fr. Those movies are hella hyped up by nostalgia. The rep some of them get now is bigger than they got back then, especially 3.
On an tangent: My one grievance with NWH (before it was released, after it was announced that Tobey and Andrew were coming back) was that what was probably going to be the best Holland movie was gonna put holland in tobey’s shadow. However, that turned out to be false and all three spider men did fantastic jobs as their characters. Despite this, a chunk of the fandom thinks Tobey carried the movie when he wasn’t doing anything below or above the others.
Spider-Man has one of the most L fandoms ever.
even the fans won’t let Spider-Man be happy. even the people that say “just let Spider-Man be happy” won’t let it happen.
Thank God the makers of Across the Spider-Verse got the message (for Peter B. Parker anyway)
@@DHynes5 it's more about everyone to be honest, like while miguel says spider-man has to suffer, team miles thinks that they should be allowed to be happy
"The only thing they love more than a hero"
I mean I prefer Parker being somewhat depressed and moody(I'm a big TASM fan so makes sense lol)
@@leminer4049 “is to see them fall” the green goblin was talking about us😭
What I don't like about Spider-Man trauma dumping on a dying child is that despite how much Gavin says he wanted the movie to be comic accurate, Spider-Man giving up is not Spider-Man. Spider-Man ALWAYS gets back up. That's the point of his character. He loses friends, family, jobs, and everything, but he always keeps going. Because he knows that there are people who need him.
THANK YOU! THIS IS WHY PEOPLE LOVE SPIDER-MAN!!!! Not because he’s sad and has bad things happen to him, but because he overcomes it and gets back up. The fact that Gavin and many specific “fans” missed that entirely annoys me.
I really don't get the mentality some fans have where if it's dark it's better by default. (Majora's mask or certain Pokemon fan games for example) it just seems so devaluing to reduce a story of good and evil to only the evil.
What? Did we watch the same movie? He literally becomes Spider-Man at the end, Just like the comics, he keeps going... The Child thing is valid tho
Didn't Spiderman give up in the middle in spider man 2?
@@lookingforlove839he did. He also gave up in all 3 movies. But its classic so no one bats an eye
I’ve never watched Buffy, but that section hit so hard because it’s true. I found my mom, and like Buffy, I was kind of in a daze. All I could do was call everyone I knew to tell them and finally I called my boss to tell her I wouldn’t be in for a few days. No crying, that all came later, I was just numb.
So sorry to hear that
@@theamazinggamerperson3474 I appreciate it but this was 6 years ago. I’ve moved past it.
I’d recommend watching the whole episode so that you can really feel the tension of the long shots and the lack of score. It’s very well done. ❤️
it's genuinely a very sad but beautiful episode in its portrayal of death and grieving.
I have never had anyone I personally know die aside from my grandmother on my dad's side and that was before I was born so I never knew her well,
but I have been to a funeral for a great friend my mum knew in highschool and "the body" captures that grief and sadness almost perfectly, for starters no one acts like an edgy 14 year old trying too hard to be shadow the hedgehog.
it's painful, it's genuine, and it affects everyone around you differently, I didn't even know him and I finally broke the next day after trying not to cry during the funeral.
@@Superunknown190 My mom passed away in 2007 and I'm still affected by it when it comes around her death day, though it has gotten less as time went on. My experience with her death was very similar in that I was eerily "calm" for some time until something the paramedics said triggered an emotional response from me. But it is scary, that period of stunned numbness in response to trauma.
Glad you're doing better.
20:15 I fucking hate this scene, Flash didn't hate Peter Parker because of jealousy, if they where actually comic book accurate, They would would made the reason why he bullies peter be because of his dad, he only was a Bully because his dad was abusive to him, so he wanted to feel superior to others, then after a while he realizes that he was being dumb doing that, then they became friends, then he went to war, lost his legs, became agent venom, Agent Anti-Venom, etc, etc, etc
But it wasnt because of jealousy, Flash literally was with black cat and had like, 90 different girls fawning over him, like why would he be jealous of Peter having two girls liking him?
You’re absolutely right about that being the main reason he bullies Peter, but to counterpoint your last statement, the Spider-Man: Blue comic (which is honestly a beautiful tearjerker) has a panel where MJ & Gwen are competing over their affection for Peter. I think he had moved into Harry’s place, & Flash was downstairs asking “lemme get this straight: they’re BOTH up there with him?” I don’t think he’s beyond jealousy, but your point still stands. He even warms up to Peter a little by the end when he announces he’s joining the army.
A Spider-Man movie where Flash Thompson is the best character. Masterpiece.
Honestly, I'd rather watch a movie of how Flash Thompson becomes a change man instead of this shit.
Even then, his brief scene of trying to comfort Peter in the Andrew Garfield movie is leagues better than anything involving Lotus
@@margarethmichelina5146 Agent Venom fan film anyone? Just me? Okay.
The amazing spiderman...? He had a redemption at least ..
buffy going out the back door and hearing the world around her is when the episode got me. Just the sound of the world continuing on, like everything is normal - everyone who has lost someone close to them has had that moment. The moment of realizing that the universe doesn't give a rat's ass that this is the worst day of your life
That's also how I interpreted the weather in that episode. An especially bright, sunny day, indifferent to sorrow.
Years ago my family lost a cousin in a car wreck. We were devastated and I actually ran outside in the backyard and pounded the ground yelling. I think about that day a lot and it just feels so unreal.
name of the song while @Cosmonaut talks about it? it's a proper theme... idk where it's from
It's from Halo 3 ODST. I think. Deference for Darkness
I... I honestly want to watch him review Buffy episodes now. Or maybe the seasons.
I just can't believe their "terminally ill" child looks so good. Like, no IVs, no loss of hair to easily shoe cancer, not even someone who's a little thin. Hilarious.
Right? If it did it like in the comics where the reveal was after, I'd think "Okay, it was most likely to hide the fact that the kid is sick, sloppy but understandable", but revealing it before the scene just completely does away with that excuse.
They should've gotten me to play that kid. I scinny white child who looks ill, I fit the bill perfectly.
eh
Man, shoe cancer’s the worst. I lost a pair of Vans to that.
@@westminsterabbey.6916 Haha *show the shoe cancer 😁
Bro, when I was in college I made a PowerPoint presentation on "The Body" for a Screen Writing course, it was one of my favorite projects. Easiest A I've ever received. It is ABSOLUTELY one of the best episodes of TV, please make more Buffy content. (Or if you got my brain, Angel)
Astartes was a masterpiece in fan made art.
Nice
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Good
We need a full movie of it!
Nice👏
“The Body” was a perfect hour of drama. Buffy was powerless to help the person she loved most, who loved her first and best, her Mom and that crushed Buffy. Her mother gone like that…she was there, then she was gone.
It makes me sad tho
Great episode
Thé most impressive thing about it, aside from how bold it was to have such a serious take in Buffy specifically, I’d that it managed to convey the sadness, despair and powerlessness of losing a loved one by killing a terrible person…
You know, that part where Cosmonaut said that "young film students don't know how to cut stuff from their films" actually spoke to me, when I was in college I had a classmate that was told to cut some stuff out of her short and she said that she didn't know what to cut out when her short was like 44 MINUTES LONG, lmfao
Makes it feel like a bad art film lol
It’s the classic advice given to writers “kill your darlings”. You’re going to have a bunch of ideas for stories, characters, settings, themes, etc. But even if they’re good. If you turn a book that should only realistically be 300 pages, into almost 1,000 pages. Or a short film that should only really be 10 minutes, into 90 minutes. Then it doesn’t matter how good those ideas are. It’ll be a complete mess of pacing, tonal shifts, and plot threads.
Save those ideas for different works, and kill them in the works where they don’t need to be in.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Haha, true but the issue with hers was that she had a lot of dead space and pacing issues, there were scenes that draaaged ooooon for longer that they should've
@@rickkcir2151 True, it hurts but it just improves the product plus gives future projects as well
And not only cutting out whole scenes that don't add anything and mess with the pacing. Just by re-editing all the scenes, one by one, in way they flow better does wonders to the final product. Usually you can trim out 20% of you assembled originally.
Spiderman to the dying kid: How can I make this about me????
In terms of depicting how Spider-Man deals with death, Marvel's Spider-Man PS4 has always hit home for me. I may be biased, since it came to me shortly after the passing of a loved one, but Peter's line, "Do what you think is right, even if it hurts like hell," followed by his final interaction, "I don't know what to do." "Yes, you do", with Aunt May before having to let her die has always been one of my favorite depictions of Peter's character. He knows what's right, and will put himself through hell and back to do it.
I think what was wanted was more of a TASM 2 taking a bit more extreme than the more usual way Peter deals with it. I wouldn't even say how TASM2 does it is rather standard Peter it's really not it's trying to be different which is why I always liked TASM more than Raimi Spiderman, usual comic Spiderman ect.
dude wtf are you doing!? Go watch web of spider Man fan film@@pink_kino
Oh yeah, I haven't finished MM or Spiderman 2 ps4 yet but I loved the Spiderman 1 ps4 story
spoilers lol
@@Crab_Battle-n8j spoilers? Dawg that game came out 6 years ago and has had 2 sequels since. Like if you're that behind that's on you atp
Holy fuck the way you went through the Buffy scene was such a great example of a good scene dealing with shock and grief. Good shit dude
Using Miles’ apology video when mentioning the director and actor’s apology is genius!!!
The scene of Peter shouting at MJ over Gwen's grave really felt like some incel fantasy of shouting at a woman
lol. It blows my mind that people who think and act that way actually exist… but hey there’s everyone out there.. Even gross sick violent gore torture loving killers… the internet shows it all. It really is mind blowing but the thing that is crazier is just how many..even countries full of weird sickos who are cringe
I immediately got the vibes that it was a thinly veiled excuse for the writers to get to rant against Mary Jane as a character. I think they're pretty biased against her.
@@SpecialInterestShow marry Jane is a horrible person.
Why is it so easy to pick out a story written by a lonely teenager?
@@game84cube people donated a lot of money to him and he made a lot of lofty promises. Of course ppl are gonna rag on him, kid or not
"If you wanted to be comic accurate so bad you should've paid attention why you even like this story!"
Marcus perfectly summarized why fan projects almost always never work. Those people have no idea why they like something, and they tried to replicate without actually understand why those creative choices were made. This video was great though, I didn't even know this was a thing.
"The map is not the territory". I feel like so many people try keep bringing back these favorite moments in comic history with necromancy. They bring back the body, but leave the soul behind. Far better to understand the soul of the thing and put it in a new body, or not bring it back at all and let it inspire you to make something new.
"The kid who collected Spider-Man" is a beautiful, funny and even uplifting story up until the revelation at the end. It shows what Spider-Man is all about. It humanizes him. The fact that we only know the truth at the end gives us that punch in the gut without being overly dramatic (imagine knowing the truth about the kid when you start reading the story). That's what makes it so special. I think these guys didn't get it.
They just adopted one of the most famous spider man stories and hoped the fans would clap
@@Fancyethersounds like when DC adapted The Killing Joke
There's also this comic where Spider-Man has a new sidekick called Spider-Bite and fought the Sinister 6, and it was revealed that the whole scenario was just Spider-Man and a cancer patient kid role-playing with his parents and the hospital staff.
Gavin literally got 2 stories to use as inspiration and he still botched it by revealing the kid was sick in the beginning and having Spider-Man trauma dump on the kid. Not even a normal person would do that to a kid, let alone the most wholesome superhero of all superheroes.
@@siphonophores”um actually” they were fighting the sinister SIXTY
@@TacomasterStudios my bad, haven't read that comic in a while.
Lighting seems to be the hardest thing to get right in micro budget movie. It’s straight up what makes a movie seems like a POS or a real motion picture
Specially if youre shooting outside, at night
This! As someone who's worked on multiple projects with a microbudget, lighting can easily make or break so many scenes.
@@You-Tube-n5k I worked on those too and at some point everyone on the crew kinda goes "It is what it is" 😅.
I've DP:d and assisted DP:s on such projects and we all kinda know the ideal way of doing it but the ideal way is to expensive and time consuming.
Yeah. So how did a multi-million dollar production like the MCU manage to have the most blandest, lamest looking Spider-Man movies in existence? Even Marc Webb's piss-poor movies had some decent look to them.
@@antona.1327still looked like an actual movie with legitimate lightening. You know the thing that was being discussed, not the aesthetic design of the cinematography or production design.
I thought this said born from sprite and I was so excited to welcome a lemon lime zest themed take on spidey
Remember kids, just because you read the source material and watch a couple of movies - it doesn’t automatically mean you can do better
I would say that’s true for the most part, but there are exceptions to this. For example, Scooby-Doo: Mystery Incorporated (the new RUclips series, not the one that aired on Cartoon Network) is a passion project that has a darker take on Scooby-Doo and it’s a million times better than that Velma show. You can tell the people behind the series know the source material and respect it.
Granted, the series only has one episode right now because it was released last year, but I highly recommend watching it if you love Scooby-Doo.
You can tell the people involved in this project were the the type of people to feel real good about themselves for liking TASM because it was slightly edgier than most superhero movies so they’re automatically elevated pieces of cinema
They don't claim to be better, they just made their own fan thing, it doesn't have to be compared to anything "Official"
@@lepersonnage371did you watch the first 10 minutes of this video on mute and also without looking?
@@Mint_Teal16 i watched it with skipping, it's not really possible to watch the whole thing
Sarah Michelle Gellar should be so proud that she’s not racist Spider-Man. She should also be proud of that performance in “The Body.” It’s beyond excellent, it feels real.
She's extraordinary in that episode.
@@neutralman9124 it immediately provoked an empathetic response from me. I can’t watch her eyes widen with tears, after she calls her mom “the body,” without immediately feeling my eyes sting and my stomach drop. That’s a primordial response, this thing that’s hard wired into us that recognizes real emotion. In that moment she is Buffy Summers.
@@imdoneplus If I'm honest, I cried in this video because of the scene being shown. It's so effective.
Omg I just rewatched Buffy and that scene in “the body” was so intense. The fact that it was one shot. SO hard to watch. Season 5 of Buffy is GOAT’ed. Some of the best TV I’ve ever seen
@@LoFoSho Season 2 and 5 are two of the best seasons of TV ever made.
Feel that the fact that the director thought he “salvaged” the performance of the actress who gave the best performance of the movie is very indicative of the type of ego we’re working with here.
The irony is that both Warden Wayne and Gavin J. Konop had a particular grievance for Tom Holland's version of Spider-Man because they claim that the version of Spider-Man was flawed and they can do justice with the character, meanwhile when John Watts had appreciated their work after watching the trailer of Spider-Man Lotus they had soon reacted to the reply like they're a huge fan of his work, also for the kind information MCU's Spider-Man is way more comic book accurate than their version of Spider-Man, he didn't used anybody as a human shield, he cares about life, he could possibly do anything to save every single life, he is charming, funny, he didn't kill anyone and most importantly he never give up, and these qualities are completely missing from the MCU's version of Spider-Man.
@@disneyfox5726why is this all one sentence? You say MCU is more comic accurate, then end saying that "they" (who???) have a spiderman with qualities all missing from the MCU spiderman?
What are you trying to say, please re-read your comment
the buffy shoutout/analysis was a welcome surprise, when that show was good it was GOOOOD
As someone who literally walked into a room to find his mom just lying there, dead, that part with The Body hit hard, and hit home.
My condolences
I’m so sorry you had to go through that😞
I'm so sorry
my condolences
Sorry you had to go through that man rip
"You saved people."
"And how many others died because of it?"
Well, at least he acknowledges his use of human shields
That is indeed "comic accurate"
IDF pilot after leveling an apartment complex:
@@pugachevskobra5636 assuming they'd actually admit it
Fu Ck Spider Man lotiius go watch web of Super man fan film
Nerds........
@@pugachevskobra5636 You just had to bring the Israel-Palestine conflict into a video about Spider-Man
Across the spiderverse really blessed us all by creating apology video Miles.
I knew that scene was gonna get memed to eternity. Cinematic masterpiece
@@alazkaalazka6087Any idea where that one video where Peni Parker is an anime otaku, and Miles feels uncomfortable, and then it ends with Spider-Man Noir saying the N-Word, and the other ITSV cast gets offended by him?
@29:00 Why did you have to talk about one of THE BEST Hours of TV EVER put to Camera....I Cry simply talking about "The Body"...it is SO FRICKIN INCREDIBLY WELL DONE...😭😭😭😭😭😭...and your breakdown....I started crying again....it is INCREDIBLE...
I lost my mom unexpectedly in late April. She was 59. I just wanted to say your segment on Buffy, a show I have never watched, was beautiful and so well spoken. Made me laugh and cry at the same time. Thanks for making us laugh for so many years.
I am sorry for your loss man. May she rest in peace.
I don’t want to be rude, but…there a time and place for this knowledge..a random video isn’t it.
@@anonafiao1692 So you think a video where a girl losing her mother and learning to cope with the situation is given as an example isn't the right place to talk about losing a family member? Geez man, have some chill.
I'm with you there. I lost my mom almost 2 months ago very suddenly as well and she was also 59. This vid was comforting to acknowledge all the feelings that come in the grieving process. Wanted to let you know you're not alone bud
My mom passed suddenly of a stroke this summer at 57. I've been told by friends who've gone through something similar that it takes years to move forward, but you never move on. You're not alone bro
The only reason Spider-Man Lotus didn’t show up in Spider-Verse is because he kept calling the spider-people slurs.
Plot twist: lotus replaced 2099, that's why he hates miles so much.
He'd flip if he found out about Miles and Gwen's relationship
"All stations, stop what you're doing and stop Spider-Man! YOU KNOW, THE BLACK ONE!"
@@MariOmor1”Miles, the BLLLAACK ONE!!”
I’ve never seen Buffy the vampire slayer, but when you showed the scene where Buffy said “we’re not suppose to move the body” that shocked me, that experience I felt was crazy. Thank you I will never forget that scene now.
I’m obsessed with this episode now and this is my only real exposure to the show
Watch the show it's awesome
highly recommended if you haven't seen the series yet, especially this episode.
Buffy is a super solid show. Not all episodes are equal (like any show) but it is really great!
I watch the whole series so when you get to that episode it hits you hard. Truly the most realistic episode about lost.
I don’t know why, but I keep coming back to this video?! Great review
The worst part is, "Spider-Man gets a sick kid to remind him why he's Spider-Man" was done in a motion format. It was adapted in an episode of Spider-Man TAS. As someone who saw that as a kid and hadn't read the comic, it's stuck with me ALL these years. And it did in it like 30 minutes while juggling a Doc-Ock plot.
The “Gwen Stacy freak out” was simultaneously completely justified and appeared out of fucking nowhere
Fax
They were clearly going for the scene from the comics where Peter similarly lashes out at MJ. But they forgot the most crucial part of the scene: Mary Jane chooses to comfort Peter after he tells her to leave, serving as the lynchpin that allows him to move on.
@@Gemnist98And also Peter wasn’t a douchebag towards MJ, just understandably frustrated
"Gwen Stacy! Gwen Stacy! Wa! Wa! I'm fvckin' sick of it!"
My favorite part tbh
I've never seen Buffy, but hearing Marcus talk about the episode "The Body" genuinely moved me, and made me care about what happens... and I had zero attachment to the characters of the show before hand. That's a powerful episode, and a powerful description from Marcus.
same. i just loss my cousin to an od and seeing her body lifeless at the funeral changed me fr. just not a good feeling
Now imagine it for someone like me, who grew up watching the show and then this episode airs? A punch to the gut. You haven't even seen Anya's (she's a demon) reaction to it. how she slowly realizes that human lives are fragile and how this being she grew to love will no longer exist... that speech and performance was gut wrenching.
And I think Marcus missed the point when buffy opens the door. She opens the door and stares outside. Birds are softly chirping. You can hear kids playing. Her world is falling apart but just outside her doorsteps, everything is fine.
@@miguelb5661yeah her reaction when something bad happens is to search for the source of evil by evaluating the situation in order to defeat it. She was thrown off by how much she wanted it to be supernatural instead of natural because she’s so used to it.
Most of the scenes in this movie feel like a mexican telenovela, I was truly waiting for a white rose to appear out of nowhere and wind to blow on the characters' face for an uncomfortable amount of time
OUCH WHY IS THAT SO RIGHT 😂😂😂
I genuinely hope Gavin sees this. There’s some really good advice in this video, both on being a better artist and on being a better person. He definitely needs it.
I hope so too!
You can’t be serious?! Gavin is waaay too 🔼 to accept any critique coming from this channel.
@@R8t3d_PG and Marcus is a POC? Yea not happening 😂
B
I used to go to his highschool, trust me it’s not a coincidence he associates with these people, also he’s way too inflated to hear this
man, as someone who lost their dad relatively recently, your discussion of portrayals of grief really hit close to home. i've never watched an episode of buffy in my life, but even just hearing about that episode almost made me cry. and then there's this nightmare of hollow storytelling. jesus christ. amazing video, though. subscribing for sure!
lost my dad this month, and yeah - the buffy segment kinda made me break down.
sorry for your loss, friend
@@MrKapusta I'm sorry for your loss right back. Sending you lots of love, I know how terrible it feels. Take care of yourself, man.
Firstly, I'm sorry for your loss. I also lost my dad not long back and it still hurts like hell. Secondly, you should absolutely watch Buffy in its entirety. It can be very camp and cheesy at points (especially the first season which is.. rough), but it is absolutely worth the investment. Easily my favourite TV show of all time, and one that has helped me through a lot of rough spots in my life.
@@padawansound6423 Thank you, you're very kind. I'm sorry to you too, man. But thanks for the recommendation! It's actually something I've wanted to watch for a while, but I've just never gotten around to it, y'know? But I definitely want to watch it eventually!! Good to know how important it is to someone, that kind of recommendation always makes me smile.
Spider-Man Lotus: “I respect every single Spider Man in here.”
Miles: “Does that include me?”
“Do I get an N-word pass”
“NO YOUR BLACK RRRAAAHHH”
His team-up with Miguel is going to be 🔥🔥🔥
2:22 "Gavin descended saying, yeah I'm gonna need about 220,000 dollars" this line made me laugh so uncontrollably hard bro 💀
In high school I went to an art camp for film and one of my teachers said something that stuck with me “student films are always either one of two things: too long or WAY too long”
Yeah. My partner is doing digital media for her degree. I am no expert but I told her after she is done with a video, look it over and cut out half. Seems like everyone needs to do that for student work from all I've watched.
Marcus finally exploding in frustration at 26:15 and again at 27:20 is truly a beautiful thing, had me rolling on the floor laughing. And then the transition to talking about "The Body," this is a fucking amazing video from a channel chalk full of great content. 11/10
Love how JLaw looks like Gwen in the clip he uses in that second rant
The look of horror that crosses his face at 27:17 is amazing lmao
@@damkylan3 my man is pogging in terror 😭
chock-full*
I think the fact Jon Watts & Andrew Garfield went out of their way to acknowledge Lotus & say it looks cool - & Gavin took the praise from a literal Spider-Man director & actor as a chance to shit on their movies - says all you need to know
On another note though I really need to watch Buffy huh
On a side note it proves how passionate both Jon Watts and Andrew Garfield are about Spider-Man, even a decade later...
Weren't those one of the fake DMs? Or were they real?
@@Ligmaballin I always felt bad Andrew. Dude basically got his dream job: Not only did he get to Play Spiderman, but also his girlfriend played the love interest. But that dream was crushed by the fact that they were remembered as the worst movies.
Edit: I should've made it 'remembered' as the worst movies, since most people seem to lump the two movies together and judge them both based on the last one to release. Apparently there are a lot more AS1 fans than I gave credit for. (I personally liked both films btw)
@@nbewarwe He got redeemed in NWH
@@nbewarwe more like "a movie". It was the second one that got mixed reception thanks to not learning any lesson from Raimi Spider-Man 3. A shame as well cause it has the best VFX out of all three Spider-Men
the buffy time segment was so cool. thanks
The fact this was put out 2 months after Across the Spider-Verse must’ve been really embarrassing for them.
Nah they think this is the superior adaptation because Peter is Spiderman instead of that NNNNNIIIIII...ncompoop Miles
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69Nigga. 💀
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69Isn't Nicompoop an Ace Attorney insult?
@@snakeseyes-uroborodjinn5159 Ooops, forgot the second n. Was just making a joke about the film being made by a racist.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 I've always wondered how they'd react to the best spiderman movies being starred by a black dude. Thank you for confirming the trauma is so deep they're still in denial
The way Cosmonaut talked about Buffy was so effective and impactful. I've never seen the show but he was so good at immersing me and making his point clear. Probably one of my favorite segments from him.
I implore you to watch the show (I seem to be saying this in a lot of the comment replies on this video). Get through the first season and a half. Once it finds its feet, it really does become one of the best shows of all time. Saying that, even when it's bad, its charming.
Wow. With how badly he spoke about the actors trying to make his movie happen, hes likely going to have a hard time finding people willing to work with him in the future.
Wait are we talking about cosmonaut or the creators of the fan film?
@@ethanharmer5151can film. Cosmonaut wasn’t too harsh on the actors imo
@@haroldasusus4684 Cosmonaut actually seemed pretty supportive of Mary Jane's actor. The issues clearly came from the director, not her.
@ethanharmer5151 For sure just Gavin, cosmonaut did no wrong here lol
i think the director and the main actor have a great career in front of them... in the right wing/christian film industry... they are exactly the kind of people who make those bad movies.
This is probably my favourite video. Not Cosmonaut video, but video in general
Amazing. The guy promised to do the best fan film ever, got a hundred thousand dollars, he was adapting his favorite super hero, but still he didn't bother to study a simple screenplay structure. He just assumed he could write better than professionals.
Screenplay Syd Field! If only they'd raised $100,010 dollars.
I saw the “Cosmonaut Quickie” and was like “Oh yeah a nice 5 minute video” and see a 40 minute run time. Time to learn a lot about this, thank you
The fact that even Cosmonaut made a video about Spider-Man Lotus being bad is wild 💀
Literally the only unbiased, straight to the point, objective, not spiteful review if this movie ive seen
Good shit