Unfortunately most Toyota dealerships do not use Toyota genuine motor oil for oil changes. They acquire generic oil in bulk. This is the reason I do my own oil changes using Toyota motor oil.
Yeah found this out the other day. Dealership lied and said they use the Toyota oil but my mileage dropped 10mpg as soon as I left. Changed the oil at a local mechanic with Toyota ow-16 today and my mileage is back. Don’t trust dealerships
The molybdenum quantity comparisons might not be meaningful without knowing which formulations of moly are being used. Have read that that Toyota uses an "older" style that requires higher absolute Mo content whereas other companies are using a 'newer' molecule that is effective with less moly content. It's conceivable they're all equally effective in this respect. Regarding Mobil1, a used oil analysis after ~> 9000mi. of mostly interstate driving on our 2019 Prius showed low wear numbers and oil within spec. but TBN down to 1.9, sufficient to be effective but not sure for how much longer. My understanding it Mobil1 initial TBN is lower than some others, but also that it just needs to be above zero to be effective. The Toyota oil from our dealership is made by Mobil but analysis reported elsewhere indicates it's not the same as Mobil1.
Molycarbamate trimer and dimer are both forms of molybdenum dithiocarbamate (MoDTC) additives used in engine oils. While they share some similarities, there are notable differences between the two: 1. Structure: - Dimer: Molycarbamate dimer consists of two molybdenum atoms connected by a dithiocarbamate ligand. - Trimer: Molycarbamate trimer has three molybdenum atoms linked together by dithiocarbamate ligands, forming a ring-like structure. 2. Solubility: - Dimer: Molycarbamate dimer has good solubility in oil, allowing for effective dispersion. - Trimer: Molycarbamate trimer exhibits even better solubility compared to the dimer, enabling more uniform distribution in the oil formulation. 3. Film formation: - Dimer: Molycarbamate dimer forms a protective film on metal surfaces, reducing friction and wear. - Trimer: The trimer structure allows for the formation of a more stable and durable protective film, providing enhanced protection against wear and friction. 4. Additive compatibility: - Dimer: Molycarbamate dimer generally has good compatibility with other additives in the oil formulation. - Trimer: Molycarbamate trimer shows improved compatibility with other additives compared to the dimer, minimizing the risk of negative interactions. 5. Deposit formation: - Dimer: Molycarbamate dimer has a lower tendency to form deposits compared to traditional MoS2 additives. - Trimer: Molycarbamate trimer further reduces the likelihood of deposit formation, particularly on exhaust catalysts and oxygen sensors. 6. Performance: - Dimer: Molycarbamate dimer offers good friction reduction and wear protection in engine oils. - Trimer: Molycarbamate trimer provides superior friction reduction and wear protection compared to the dimer, potentially leading to improved fuel economy and engine durability. Overall, molycarbamate trimer is considered an advancement over the dimer form due to its enhanced solubility, film formation, compatibility, and performance characteristics. However, the specific choice between dimer and trimer may depend on the oil manufacturer's formulation goals and the balance of other additives in the oil package.
No one should go the recommended 10,000 miles between changes. Especially with these smaller turbo charged Honda's and others. Oil is cheap, these new motors are not going to last like the older non turbo engines.
I use mobil1 full synthetic extended performance oil on both my Honda Accord and Toyota Avalon. I change the oil every 12,000 on the Avalon, and every 15k on the Accord. Both engines still run great at 240K miles. No issues.
@@donniev8181 check your Toyota service manual again before you spread misinformation again. BTW, I change my oil every 5k miles DESPITE Toyota saying that it is okay to do it every 10k miles.
@@hjer731 Bottled by the same company, but clearly different formula as the oil analysis show... The Moly content is like x10 on Toyota compared to mobil 1
As long as you have the right oil. Your engine will last. A little more antiwear aditive won't make that big of difference. Just change it every 5k miles. Remember this, a oil change is always better than no oil change.
Follow Toyota's recommended oil change of 10,000 mi and by time you reach 100k miles you'll be burning oil from cylinder wall wear and oil rings plugged with varnish. You'll then need a rebuild. That 's nothing more than a marketing ploy for cheap maintance for those who don't do regular maintance.
That's why I change it (max at 10,000 KM), but, I change the oil twice a year no matter what. Currently at 14,900KM, the oil was changed 4 times (next one will be on the 1st Dec (in a few weeks).
Toyota doesn't recommend changes at 10k miles, why do people keep repeating nonsense. Just purchased a new Toyota Camry SE and oil change intervals are every 5K miles.
@@donniev8181 service intervals say that you should service it every 5k miles, but if you read it again, I bet it does not list "oil change" at both 5k and 10k mile intervals.
@@SayAhh different types of oil are used for different types of vehicles dolt, the same goes with oil change intervals! I change my oil every 2500 miles as that's when oil actually starts to break down and engine wear begins.
Toyota is the leader in Hybrid engines. They should know what oil needs to be in an engine that starts and stops all of the time! I assume that's why their oils have lots of zinc additives.
Yeah, it amazes me when you see people in these comments repeating nonsense they've read online or spouting off about what's good or not good. I'm pretty sure Toyota engineers know exactly what they are doing.
But the Toyota dealership wants you to keep buying vehicles. Nothing against corporate. The dealership may use the bottles when they change the oil. But if they go for the bulk oil, it may be 5w30 or 5w20
You dont know what type of oil the dealer will use on your car. And whether they actually changed it or not. Ive heard that some dealership ran out of oil for a car and used another weight instead of what the engine recommended
I guess if I actually listened to the video I could’ve answered my own question my apologies I enjoy your videos very much keep up the good work thanks
@@bryandavenport7927 The bottle even looks just like the same bottle Mobil uses for the Super 3000 and Super 5000 products. i.ebayimg.com/images/g/EwIAAOSwtspdRBsE/s-l1600.jpg i5.walmartimages.com/asr/2fc22213-3999-4fe2-adfe-2dc36e9fa54e_1.2bf3d6f8084b0f486bd5d3d7ba37c668.jpeg i.ebayimg.com/images/g/WsoAAOSw509dxZV8/s-l1600.jpg
According to what I see from this test, Toyota Oem os is clearly superior than other manufacturers. Anti wear and detergent additives are significantly higher.
Yeah the engineers at Toyota clearly know what they're doing. I watched a former Nissan engine builder say change your oil every 2500 miles. He said all engine oil starts to break down and engine wear begins after 2500 miles of use.
@@donniev8181 I agree,in my motorcycle a c109 Suzuki I could feel when my oil was due to be changed by clutch feel! 3k on amsoil 10-40,nothing else. I used Toyotas oil until amsoil came out with the hybrid formula in 0w-16,for my hybrids.
No its not, Amsoil OE and Pennz Platinum. Amsoil only offers the 0W-16 in the OE, I wish they would have at least the Boosted, but I think the ultra low cSt of the 16 weight will be impossible. And for Pennzoil, to my knowledge, Platinum and Eco Earth are only available in the 0-W16.
Toyota oil and its additives are what the Toyota engineers recommend for their engines. Who would also know best because they designed them. I use Toyota OEM in my 2019 Tundra.
This guy did a cold flow test. Toyota vs Amsoil 0W16 ruclips.net/video/LW95TH06BdY/видео.html Honda vs Amsoil 0W16 ruclips.net/video/_2m11YCMNdM/видео.html
@@impalalfx1349Hi, so am I better off going with the signature series Amsoil instead of the Toyota OEM 0W-16 for my 2024 RAV4 Prime or should I stick with TOYOTA OEM? TIA
By the way, there are 4 other continents that people live and use toyota vehicles other than North America and Europe, and in fact toyota is an Asian vehicle. I'm saying this because you keep repeating North America and Europe.
Toyota recommens oil changes after every 10,000 miles using their OEM oil or equivalent. That is a statement of how good their oil is. They could easily use a cheaper formula and shorten the recommended miles and make more money out of their customers by selling them more oil and service fees. Of course this doesn't mean Toyota's oil is the absolute best. That's why they also mention that you can use something equivalent. In my opinion pennzoil ultra platinum is up there with toyotas oil but I haven't seen a 0w-16 viscosity just yet.
Do not assume a 10k interval is ok. I work in Oil and gas and can assure you that the marketing jerks are all scrambling for "we have the lowest maintenance" and that's exactly what this 10k guideline is. The ONLY operating condition that I would accept as suitable for 10k is constant highway speed at 55-60mph....without stopping, without acceleration.
not an expert, I do not claim to be, just showing the numbers. The important is to change the oil regularly. tbh, that Toyota oil is legit, and I'm a AMSOIL guy. Did my last oil change at Toyota (Warranty), but will keep this for 6 month before changing it with my remain Amsoil OE. then, oil change at Toyota (once a year or 12,000 KM), i only do a bout 5 K a year.
All oil is not created equal, Toyota engineers know exactly what they are doing. Molybdenum is the best dry lubrication additive, and Toyota OEM oil has 10x as much as the next closest competitor.
not really true. the lower moly in M1, PP and Amsoil is the trinuclear moly in which 60-80ppm is ideal. anything past that doesn't help with cam wear. The TY formulation has traditional moly additive hence why its so high.
Unfortunately most Toyota dealerships do not use Toyota genuine motor oil for oil changes. They acquire generic oil in bulk. This is the reason I do my own oil changes using Toyota motor oil.
I do believe that. Since they aren't making money on free oil changes on new cars they won't be spending the money to protect your engine.
I have seen this first hand. Generally they use the cheapest. Valvoline here in Australia.
Yeah found this out the other day. Dealership lied and said they use the Toyota oil but my mileage dropped 10mpg as soon as I left. Changed the oil at a local mechanic with Toyota ow-16 today and my mileage is back. Don’t trust dealerships
@@barkydarky-op4jx that goes without saying. You can always tell when dealership personnel are lying: their lips are moving.
@@barkydarky-op4jxhave the same for me after last time visit to dealer.
Thank you for doing this, too many people are saying Toyota OEM oil and Mobile 1 are exactly the same thing when clearly, they're not.
If you get a change, could you do this same test (same brand oils) but with Toyota’s 0-20? Thank you!
The molybdenum quantity comparisons might not be meaningful without knowing which formulations of moly are being used. Have read that that Toyota uses an "older" style that requires higher absolute Mo content whereas other companies are using a 'newer' molecule that is effective with less moly content. It's conceivable they're all equally effective in this respect.
Regarding Mobil1, a used oil analysis after ~> 9000mi. of mostly interstate driving on our 2019 Prius showed low wear numbers and oil within spec. but TBN down to 1.9, sufficient to be effective but not sure for how much longer. My understanding it Mobil1 initial TBN is lower than some others, but also that it just needs to be above zero to be effective. The Toyota oil from our dealership is made by Mobil but analysis reported elsewhere indicates it's not the same as Mobil1.
I think Toyota engineers know what they are doing, don't you?
@@donniev8181 judging by their infotainment system which is 15 years out of date when new I'm not so sure they are infallible
Molycarbamate trimer and dimer are both forms of molybdenum dithiocarbamate (MoDTC) additives used in engine oils. While they share some similarities, there are notable differences between the two:
1. Structure:
- Dimer: Molycarbamate dimer consists of two molybdenum atoms connected by a dithiocarbamate ligand.
- Trimer: Molycarbamate trimer has three molybdenum atoms linked together by dithiocarbamate ligands, forming a ring-like structure.
2. Solubility:
- Dimer: Molycarbamate dimer has good solubility in oil, allowing for effective dispersion.
- Trimer: Molycarbamate trimer exhibits even better solubility compared to the dimer, enabling more uniform distribution in the oil formulation.
3. Film formation:
- Dimer: Molycarbamate dimer forms a protective film on metal surfaces, reducing friction and wear.
- Trimer: The trimer structure allows for the formation of a more stable and durable protective film, providing enhanced protection against wear and friction.
4. Additive compatibility:
- Dimer: Molycarbamate dimer generally has good compatibility with other additives in the oil formulation.
- Trimer: Molycarbamate trimer shows improved compatibility with other additives compared to the dimer, minimizing the risk of negative interactions.
5. Deposit formation:
- Dimer: Molycarbamate dimer has a lower tendency to form deposits compared to traditional MoS2 additives.
- Trimer: Molycarbamate trimer further reduces the likelihood of deposit formation, particularly on exhaust catalysts and oxygen sensors.
6. Performance:
- Dimer: Molycarbamate dimer offers good friction reduction and wear protection in engine oils.
- Trimer: Molycarbamate trimer provides superior friction reduction and wear protection compared to the dimer, potentially leading to improved fuel economy and engine durability.
Overall, molycarbamate trimer is considered an advancement over the dimer form due to its enhanced solubility, film formation, compatibility, and performance characteristics. However, the specific choice between dimer and trimer may depend on the oil manufacturer's formulation goals and the balance of other additives in the oil package.
Nice to see - and many thanks for sharing!
No one should go the recommended 10,000 miles between changes. Especially with these smaller turbo charged Honda's and others. Oil is cheap, these new motors are not going to last like the older non turbo engines.
I use mobil1 full synthetic extended performance oil on both my Honda Accord and Toyota Avalon. I change the oil every 12,000 on the Avalon, and every 15k on the Accord. Both engines still run great at 240K miles. No issues.
@@timetowakeup6302 That Accord is not turbo, right?
@@lanesworld4000
Not a turbo correct
Toyota recommends every 5K miles, who says they recommend anything else?
@@donniev8181 check your Toyota service manual again before you spread misinformation again. BTW, I change my oil every 5k miles DESPITE Toyota saying that it is okay to do it every 10k miles.
My local Toyota dealer sells OEM oil for $8/quart. I’ve been using Mobil but I’m switching to Toyota OEM, seems like a better oil.
It's literally the same
@@hjer731 Are we both commenting on the same video, can't be because your comment is disproved in the video via analysis
@@hjer731 Bottled by the same company, but clearly different formula as the oil analysis show... The Moly content is like x10 on Toyota compared to mobil 1
As long as you have the right oil. Your engine will last. A little more antiwear aditive won't make that big of difference. Just change it every 5k miles. Remember this, a oil change is always better than no oil change.
@@hjer731Are Continental tires the same as General tires?
Follow Toyota's recommended oil change of 10,000 mi and by time you reach 100k miles you'll be burning oil from cylinder wall wear and oil rings plugged with varnish. You'll then need a rebuild. That 's nothing more than a marketing ploy for cheap maintance for those who don't do regular maintance.
That's why I change it (max at 10,000 KM), but, I change the oil twice a year no matter what. Currently at 14,900KM, the oil was changed 4 times (next one will be on the 1st Dec (in a few weeks).
i heard many people got over 300k with 10k oil changes . That being said i change mine at 5k and feel a smoother drive for sure also use oem oil
Toyota doesn't recommend changes at 10k miles, why do people keep repeating nonsense. Just purchased a new Toyota Camry SE and oil change intervals are every 5K miles.
@@donniev8181 service intervals say that you should service it every 5k miles, but if you read it again, I bet it does not list "oil change" at both 5k and 10k mile intervals.
@@SayAhh different types of oil are used for different types of vehicles dolt, the same goes with oil change intervals! I change my oil every 2500 miles as that's when oil actually starts to break down and engine wear begins.
Toyota is the leader in Hybrid engines. They should know what oil needs to be in an engine that starts and stops all of the time! I assume that's why their oils have lots of zinc additives.
Yeah, it amazes me when you see people in these comments repeating nonsense they've read online or spouting off about what's good or not good. I'm pretty sure Toyota engineers know exactly what they are doing.
Also Mobil 1 makes Toyotas OEM oil just so you know.
Buy they make it to Toyota specs
Yes, but different formula as shown in the test results.
But the Toyota dealership wants you to keep buying vehicles. Nothing against corporate. The dealership may use the bottles when they change the oil. But if they go for the bulk oil, it may be 5w30 or 5w20
You dont know what type of oil the dealer will use on your car. And whether they actually changed it or not. Ive heard that some dealership ran out of oil for a car and used another weight instead of what the engine recommended
Have you had a chance to test Honda's 0W-16 motor oil? Just wonder how it compares to the rest.
Thank you for your great videos, keep them coming.
No, but other test showmen the honda better than the Toyota. especially on cold flow
Who do you believe makes Toyota OEM 0W 16 motor oil for them.
I guess if I actually listened to the video I could’ve answered my own question my apologies I enjoy your videos very much keep up the good work thanks
@@bryandavenport7927 The bottle even looks just like the same bottle Mobil uses for the Super 3000 and Super 5000 products.
i.ebayimg.com/images/g/EwIAAOSwtspdRBsE/s-l1600.jpg
i5.walmartimages.com/asr/2fc22213-3999-4fe2-adfe-2dc36e9fa54e_1.2bf3d6f8084b0f486bd5d3d7ba37c668.jpeg
i.ebayimg.com/images/g/WsoAAOSw509dxZV8/s-l1600.jpg
What a goofball.. “Mow-bile” oil and “An-tee-moan-eee” additive. In 7 minutes I’m now a freeking oil genius.
Toyota dealership may use bulk oil when servicing vehicles. No telling what that is. 🤔 Toyota Tech, aka Car Care Nut claims.
Yea supposedly some b doing tht
They absolutely use bulk
I just quit using the Toyota care. They lied about what oil they used to me and I can no longer trust them
Bulk oil is more muscular than the thinner oils.
@@maj8301 bulk 0-20 is more better than quart 0-20?
@ImpalaLFX13...Would be pretty interesting to include the new 0w-16 HE016QT...can you share the read only for this file maybe ? Thanks from Austria!
There's a new 0w16 from Mobil1 that is SP rated. Can you test that?
It’s interesting if tgmo 0w16 contains any esters or poe
According to what I see from this test, Toyota Oem os is clearly superior than other manufacturers. Anti wear and detergent additives are significantly higher.
Yeah the engineers at Toyota clearly know what they're doing. I watched a former Nissan engine builder say change your oil every 2500 miles. He said all engine oil starts to break down and engine wear begins after 2500 miles of use.
@@donniev8181 I agree,in my motorcycle a c109 Suzuki I could feel when my oil was due to be changed by clutch feel! 3k on amsoil 10-40,nothing else. I used Toyotas oil until amsoil came out with the hybrid formula in 0w-16,for my hybrids.
What about valvoline 0w16 is it better then penz for Toyota I been using oem
ruclips.net/video/Rr7Zs-LtXzI/видео.html
Unfortunately Valvo does not offer 0w-16 in my region
Stay tune, I will have more VOA's from Penz Ultra in this Impala channel. 0w-20, oil I do use in the Summer on the Rav4
This is not Amsoil Signature or Pennzoil Ultra Platinum.
No its not, Amsoil OE and Pennz Platinum. Amsoil only offers the 0W-16 in the OE, I wish they would have at least the Boosted, but I think the ultra low cSt of the 16 weight will be impossible. And for Pennzoil, to my knowledge, Platinum and Eco Earth are only available in the 0-W16.
@@impalalfx1349 Amsoil does have a 0W-16 Signature now. Nothing from Pennzoil unfortunately.
I'll stick to Toyota oil, thanks.
so basically PP + liquimoly = better than toyota OEM?
Which one had the best cold flow properties?
Pennzoil, 2nd was Amsoil, Toyota and M1 last
@@impalalfx1349 thanks. just got this notification. Im gonna use it for transfer case fluid.
Toyota oil and its additives are what the Toyota engineers recommend for their engines. Who would also know best because they designed them. I use Toyota OEM in my 2019 Tundra.
Very good , I have a lot to give on this subject,but I can’t do it right now .
This guy did a cold flow test.
Toyota vs Amsoil 0W16 ruclips.net/video/LW95TH06BdY/видео.html
Honda vs Amsoil 0W16 ruclips.net/video/_2m11YCMNdM/видео.html
Saw it, Eben his the master of these test. Very surprise of the Honda
Amsoil does have a signature series Ow-16 oil now and it is far superior to any of these.
Yes, just posted the VOA a few weeks ago in this channel
@@impalalfx1349Hi, so am I better off going with the signature series Amsoil instead of the Toyota OEM 0W-16 for my 2024 RAV4 Prime or should I stick with TOYOTA OEM? TIA
@@YZERPLANStick to OEM
@@RFJersey thank you
By the way, there are 4 other continents that people live and use toyota vehicles other than North America and Europe, and in fact toyota is an Asian vehicle. I'm saying this because you keep repeating North America and Europe.
Toyota recommens oil changes after every 10,000 miles using their OEM oil or equivalent. That is a statement of how good their oil is. They could easily use a cheaper formula and shorten the recommended miles and make more money out of their customers by selling them more oil and service fees.
Of course this doesn't mean Toyota's oil is the absolute best. That's why they also mention that you can use something equivalent. In my opinion pennzoil ultra platinum is up there with toyotas oil but I haven't seen a 0w-16 viscosity just yet.
not true, for severe driving conditions, the interval is 5K for Toyota.
Do not assume a 10k interval is ok. I work in Oil and gas and can assure you that the marketing jerks are all scrambling for "we have the lowest maintenance" and that's exactly what this 10k guideline is. The ONLY operating condition that I would accept as suitable for 10k is constant highway speed at 55-60mph....without stopping, without acceleration.
5,000
@@sanhxhebsbbb1048 service every 5,000 miles. Oil change every 10,000.
Foolish to go 10k between oil changes.
Not saying you are wrong, but what are your qualifications to critique the additives on the data sheet ?
not an expert, I do not claim to be, just showing the numbers. The important is to change the oil regularly. tbh, that Toyota oil is legit, and I'm a AMSOIL guy. Did my last oil change at Toyota (Warranty), but will keep this for 6 month before changing it with my remain Amsoil OE. then, oil change at Toyota (once a year or 12,000 KM), i only do a bout 5 K a year.
All oil is not created equal, Toyota engineers know exactly what they are doing. Molybdenum is the best dry lubrication additive, and Toyota OEM oil has 10x as much as the next closest competitor.
not really true. the lower moly in M1, PP and Amsoil is the trinuclear moly in which 60-80ppm is ideal. anything past that doesn't help with cam wear. The TY formulation has traditional moly additive hence why its so high.
@@goldenmanuever1176 twice as many dry lubrication additives than the next closest competitor, don't be a butthurt fanboy.
These numbers don't seem right compared to other Companies ive seen.....This guy printed this up on his computer these results are FAKE
Oh yeah? Maybe YOU fake!!! What do you think about that?