I bought a brand new 2020 Corolla Hybrid in late 2019, and I’ve put 130000 miles on it already . I’ve used many oils from different manufacturers. On a third oil change I used 0w20 Valvoline oil and it burnt half a litter of that oil(oil change every 5000 miles). I always mesure how much of used oil I drain. So this is the list of oils she doesn’t burn: Toyota 0w16 Mobil 1 0w16 Ravenol 0w16 Amsoil 0w16 Oils she burns Valvoline 0w20 Valvoline 0w16 GF6 Now I’m experimenting with Liqui Molly 0w16 GF6 oil
@James Carroll so many labeled synthetic oil are not a true synthetic. These oils we’re grandfathered in before laws were passed stating what a synthetic oil should be made of. But the general buyer does not know this. They believe what they are reading on the bottle label. Even Mobil 1 is not now a true synthetic as they cheapened the formula 3 years ago. It is all about profits for them. There is only a few true synthetic oils on the market. AMS oil is a true synthetic. Get what you pay for. Do a little reading and research. You will be an informed consumer and not believe the bunk the big oil companies are pulling on you.
I'm going to try the Toyota oil in my wife's car next. She currently uses Castrol and seems to really be loyal to that brand but I suspect the Toyota brand will burn differently.
@@jackfrost99 Interestingly Shell will only allow its own brand in its stations tanks. Texaco is another. Otherwise most stations dont care whose blend ends up in the tank.
That is what they tell you to say, and even Scotty follows their speech talk. Maybe ' they have been told' I do 3,000 Km and change the grade with the temperature here in Canada. Never had an issue in 45 years with any vehicle I have owned. All well over 300,000Km on both of them.3.3 Chrysler iron blocks. They rock! Still have one.
I've been using 0W-20 for my 1KR-FE, 1ZR-FE and 2ZR-FE, people been sayin' to use 5W-30 and i said NO!!! Toyota IMC Pakistan recommends to use 5W-30 but i don't fallow them either, after my research i've found that 0W-20 is the best oil for 2ZR-FE. I get elevated mileage, smoother and quieter ride and instant throttle response. No more sluggish performance, elevated ride experience overall.
Yes, my 2019 prius uses Ow-16. U can USE O-20w but next change u have to go back to Ow-16. My Toyota manual states so. I WILL run Ow-16 always & change every 5,000 miles/6mos.😉🇺🇸
If you can find the required oil without issue why would u use anything but that. During the pandemic when there was supply chain issues sure. But now every oil should be in stock. I only use what’s recommended and required for my car. And that’s 0W-16
Down here in Australia Toyota are telling the dealers to use 0W-20 in the latest model Corolla with the 2 litre M20A engine. I rang 3 Toyota spare parts departments and none of them had even heard of 0W-16, I kid you not! I went down to the local dealer and spoke to 'service' person who told me they use 5W-30 from the bulk drum. I eventually located a dealer who assured me they use 0W-20. I change my oil every 6 months so will do the first oil change myself with 0W-20 and get the dealer to perform the first recommended service @ 12 months/15K and get the book stamped for warranty.
Wow! I always replace oil and oil filter first time at 1000 miles or 1500 kilometers. Second time oil and oil filter replacement at roughly 3500 miles or 5600 kilometers and after that, every 3100 miles or 5000 kilometers or every three months, which ever comes first.
I have been using Toyota 0W16 since the wife got her 2019 Corolla HB. I buy it at the Toyota dealership along with the filter and crush washer. Surprisingly, the price is no higher than paying the regular price for synthetic oils at Canadian Tire.
It is rebadged Mobile Oil. They told me to see them for my first ' check' and oil change at 10,000 Km. Needless to say ... I do all my own oil changes. For 40+ years, all at 3,000Km 3 quick under 600Km changes then 3,000 after that. Engine repairs and oil burners seem to be the norm these days. I wonder why?
By the way in the Netherlands where I live Toyota dealers apply 5w30 oil for all petrol vehicles also the recent cars with the Dynamic Force Engines. If I want 0w16 for my 2019 Camry I get into nasty discussions. That where in the instruction book of the cars 0W16 is prescribed! I guess the dealers buy the 5w30 in a large bulk and makes the dealers more money.
Some dealers try to do the same here in Poland but I bring my own oil to the dealer. It's cheaper and that way Im sure to have correct viscosity (Millers 0w16).
Puur arrogantie wat wij in Nederland van onze dealers krijgen. Alsof ze het hier in NL beter dan de Japanners weten die de auto en motor ontwikkeld hebben.
I have been doing some research and a LAB test on my car for the last 4 years with different viscosities. to me is simple, all the low viscosity deal is to have better gas mileage and NOT to improve how long the engine will last (or minimize engine wear off) which will be in the best interest of the car owner, this low viscosity history is to satisfy EPA or European gasoline consumption rules(as you mention 1% if you are lucky), several LAB tests have show and prove to me that 5w-30 give less engine wear off than 0w-20 or 0w-16 the only exception to were are extreme cool weather or few exotic high HP car engines (that normally require heavier viscosity not thinner). Thanks for your video.
Aside from the free oil changes in the first 2 years, I have been changing the oil myself using Mobil1 0w-16. Walmart usually has it in stock for less than $28 for a 5 qt jug. I would try Penzoil but can’t find it. BTW, Mobil makes the 0w-16 for Toyota
I just purchased a 2024 Toyota Corolla LE and I’m planning to do a break-in oil change at 1k miles. This new Corolla requires 0w8 engine oil. I can’t find this engine oil in any dealer anywhere. Would you recommend waiting in the oil change or putting in 0w16 oils? Can you make a video regarding this new requirement from Toyota of using 0w8 oil? Thank you for your videos.
I have 0W-8 Mobil One that I recently ordered online from Walmart. Also have 0W-16 that was spec’d for last years model. 2024 Corolla SE Hatchback 500mi, doing first oil change at 1000mi. Probably use the 0W-16…100++ degree days will be here soon enough (AZ)
I just bought a 2024 Corolla LE last week (Mar 2024). And of course it's spec'd for 0W-08. It's hard to find and relatively expensive. The motor oil geek told me he will do a video on this oil and if 0W-16 will be OK to use long term in our new Toyota's or not.
I have a new Suzuki Jimny, and the recommended oil for europe and Isreal is 0w16. However for all other markets (hot and cold, eg Russia, India etc) anything between 0w16 and 10w40 is acceptable. So basically, any of the usual oil viscosities can be used anywhere in the world.
Another cool new thing. My 2017 prius had Toyota dealers oil changes from Banger Maine to Yuma, Arizona. A total of 7 dealerships. No one used Toyota motor oil.
The car care nut channel says the same thing. Toyota is using the cheapest bulk oil they can get. I would bet it is synthetic but I have questions over whether it’s the correct weight that they purchase. Time is money and there is zero chance that the techs are opening 1 quart bottles when they do oil changes
There sure are a lot of oil "experts" in the comments section. I remember the same experts saying 20 weight oils would kill engines prematurely. Here we go again...
Well...isn't that true then? Older engines do last longer than modern...not only because of oil, but also because of build quality, turbo's failing, more parts, more failing points, etc....
Thanks for your super efforts...clarified (although, I am still unsure). 0W-16 is more expensive and only slightly different than 0W-20. At the sacrifice of ultra gas efficiency, some tests suggests 0W-16 is too thin and 0W-20 prevents wear better...esp at higher temps. Where I stand?...0W-20 for older and 0W-16 for newer Toyotas.
No way in SoCal or Florida climate that 0W-16 is necessary or healthy for an engine. But hey, as long as car makes it out of warranty, the dealer has already demonstrated time and time again that they will mercilessly and shamelessly tell customers that they need an engine at low mileage. Who cares if the oil is to meet stringent government specs in Minnesota in the dead of winter 😆.
In 2018Toyota came out with the new 2.0L engine. It was recommended to use the 5W-20 grade oil, BUT if not available you could use the 10W-30 weight oil. Once! After that Toyota went to OW-20, OW-16, and now for 2024 OW-O8 oil. All along the way you could use the older grade if the new grade wasn't available. It is in the vehicle manual, check it out. 2018 - 2024 for the Corolla/ Cross non-hybrid engine. The M20A-FKS engine is the one I am talking about. I use the 5W-20 in the summer/ and OW-20 in the winter here in Lower Canada. Using that new OW-O8 oil in Nevada /California should be a crime! Japan isn't North America/ nor are the driving conditions and distances. Just my opinion/ after all it it is my new vehicle, & my problem if I am wrong. I have 1300 Km on it & just did my 3rd engine oil change. I will do 3,000 Km oil changes for as long as I own it.
Never heard of that and looked it up. Sure enough it's out there, and from numerous manufacturers. I read the summary of an SAE paper explaining which additives are used for film formers and stabilizing the friction modifiers. Better living through chemistry.
If you use the recommended 0w-16 which is Synthetic, change at recommended intervals (5k for Prius) your engine will outlast the rest of your car and likely be operable albeit in the junkyard long after you are gone… worry about something that matters
Glad to have clarification on the myth that my 22 rav4 must use 0w16. Mobil 0w20 truck and suv going in on the next oil change. Thank you.. great content just subscribed.
I have had zero issues with 0w20 in 19 RAV4. Toyota is now switching to 0w8 on non turbo engines. You can use 0w20 in those as well with a very slight (probably not even measurable) reduction in mpg. Toyota engines are made so well they can run hundreds of thousands of miles on very thin oil.
I switched to 0W-20 for our hot summer in our 2024 Rav4. The only thing I have noticed over 500 miles is I get 36 mpg instead of 36.2. When it’s 104F and the road surface is 120F and the AC is running all the time …
@@jackfrost99 While your mileage is low make sure you have the latest software updates for your car. Some dealers have been cutting corners by not doing that.
Exactly. I suspect there actually is a trade-off between oil viscosity and engine longevity. Toyota has determined that better fuel economy is worth any loss of engine longevity, but for me, who typically keeps a car for many 100s of thousands of miles, I’d like to know what that relationship is.
@@CarlosRodriguez-hb3vq yep the nowadays toyota sucks, so many problem because the cheap design and cheap built, i m thinking choose the other brands but which ones?
Yep, my 2021 Prius takes 0W-16....I keep it stocked up in my garage because sometimes can be hard to find. I heard the new 2.0 ICE engine in the next Gen Prius will take 0W-8 but haven't confirmed it yet.
Am from the Caribbean where it gets very hot I hav a Nissan van 2010 an I use Toyota oil only an we doing great don't burn oil or anything I change my oil every 6 months
My Prius uses this oil. After 3K miles I can notice a difference in the performance. My assumption is because the oil filter is so tiny. I change the oil every 3K it runs like new. Toyota says that a thicker oil will cause deposits inside the engine. Probably also because the oil filter is so tiny. It looks like it should belong on a lawnmower.
Peter My 2020 Tundra calls for 0W20 but people on the web in other countries posted pics of their owners manuals for the same engine (5.7 V8) that called for 0W30 and 5W30. How can this be? Also I would like to see your video on why toyota now says 2019-21 Tundra transfer cases has to use the straight single weight oil now(very expensive) instead of what it had used all the years before.
I would guess that they were required under US law to improve overall mileage across all their vehicles sold stateside. That extra little fuel economy is far easier to achieve by filling a crankcase than any other current approach
I am afraid this newer thinner oil is going to lead to shorter life spans of engine and increased oil usage. The big problem with this is that they use looser oil scrapping rings. With the thinner oils you can do that when the engine is brand new and indeed it does lead to less fuel usage (lesser friction with looser oil rings). But....when your engine gets older these rings start to leak the thinner oil along the rings leading to burning of oil. That burned oil will clough up your engine and lead to failure.
Going by the Viscosity Chart a 20 weight is good to +15c so a 16 weight would be about +10c - 12c. Means you don´t want to be driving your car around in sommer.
Maybe I missed it but the document doesn't mention any downside to engine wear and tear if you used a higher viscosity oil. They seem to only mention the mileage.
Only use 0W16 oil in engines that specifically call for 0W16 and change it every 6 months or 3000 miles. Also there are LOTS of Uber drivers and taxi drivers using the late model Camry with no issues to over 200,000 miles.
You know that isn’t going to happen. That’s like saying they will replace your transmission after they sealed it and recommending to never change the trans fluid.
Hello and yes you have answer my questions and speculations. I recently purchased 2024 Toyota Camry SE with 2.5L V4 engine. at first I was planning to use other brand of OW-16 however I may just stick with OEM Toyota OW-16 currently still breaking in my engine as Toyota manual says for the first 618 miles after that I will change the oil at approximately 800 miles again at 1,500 miles. afterwards every 3 mouths or 3,000 miles. some may say wasting money on early oil change. I would say. I'm sorry did you pay for my Toyota????? if not leave me alone.
In J A Pan I heard they do not use cars past 5 years old? it would make sense then to use 16 oil and at least meet some crazy fuel economy factor. Me? I am going to use 0W-20 in my soon-to-be 2023 Corolla Cross engine. Heck, I might even dump it after 5 years too. I kept 2 Chrysler 3.3 engines for 17 & 18 years and no problem. Change the oil every 5,000 Km and no issues.
It's amazing people still think the brand of oil makes a difference just like the brand of gas makes a difference (any Top-Tier rated gas is fine). It's all about using the grade of oil the engine calls for. Use synthetic for added piece of mind. Hell, I'm now using Kirkland brand synthetic.
All I can say is, my 1997 Tacoma with 2rz-fe that takes 5w30 burns way less oil than my wife's 2014 Scion xb with a 2az-fe (supposedly with the known oil consumption issues long fixed) which takes 0w20. 0w16 seems ridiculous to me. I'll just keep the cars I have running and never buy a 0w16 car until I see a lot of them with 300k miles.
Ahmed, the Car Care Nut and Toyota Master Tech, says he has seen problems with 0W-16 engines using thicker oils. He emphatically said, "Don't do it". FWIW
@@johndorrell1 my comment aligns the car with the oil, so it's really about cars that take thicker oil versus cars that take the thinner stuff. Time will tell which was better, but my money is literally on the thicker oil cars.
@@kenfuciusfpv2800 I do agree with 100% all these thinner oil businesses if to get a little better gasoline consumption (1% MAX if you are lucky) and not to have an engine last longer (less engine wear) , I have seen change oil specs from 5w-20 to 0w-16 in the same engine from one year to the next, how that can bee if is the same engine with the same tolerances and same spare parts numbers??? obviously is only to meet EPA or European Gas consumptions not for the best car owner's interest (ie make the engine last longer).
Hi, it's the first time I'm going to do the oil change outside the Toyota agency and quote the filter and the oil and on the lid it says 0w20 but they want to sell me 5w30 they say it's the one they always put because of the temperature that my city handles it is between 25-40 degrees centigrade... I don't know what oil to put
i have a 2020 corolla 2 liter engine M20A-FKS serviced by a local toyota dealer , our temp ranges from 45 degrees F to 110 degrees F , they use 15W-40 oil car uses 7.5 l/ 100 km in town and 5.5 l/100 km highway at 130KM/h
Insightful video. Thank you. Own a 2019 Tundra and 2016 4Runner that both call for 0w20. Now have a Lexus ES300H that calls for 0w16 and I do my own oil changes. Really considering using 0w20 in the Lexus, so I only have 1 type of oil in my garage but I’m nervous about the warranty. Not worried about the 1% fuel mileage loss. What Would Peter Do (WEPD)?
What's does the data show on engine wear comparing 0w-20 vs 0w-16. A potential 1% increase fuel economy with a less viscous oil at the possible expense of increased engine wear would not be my choice. Show me the data Toyota.
He makes more money off of pushing Toyota oils, lubes, parts' etc So of course his interests are SELF SERVING= 💰💰💰💰💰MANY OTHER TOP OILS DO THE SAME AND BETTER
The data is clear and available if you look. Thinner oil gets to parts on start up faster than thicker oil. Once there the film strength is what the engineers call for. Change your oil every 6 months or 3000 miles you'll never have an issue.
@@IKnewMickey re: "The data is clear..." While I accept the more frequent oil interval changes you mentioned (more frequent that Toyota recommends), I was not able to find any studies using the scientific method comparing engine wear between synthetic 0w-16 and 0w-20 oil. Possibly I missed them. Thanks for your feedback to my comment. I am a skeptic until proven with sound data...that I am not able to find.
@@quaternion-pi Engineering Explained has a detailed video on 0w16 oils. And I'm sure Bob is the oil guy forum has many threads on the subject. As for me I trust the 1000 plus engineers Toyota hired to develop their products. I know some of those products have been duds but Toyota is planning extensive use of this tech in the near future and my 2019 2.5L runs on 0w16 oil with zero issues so far. ( I know 3 years proves nothing ) cheers
@@IKnewMickey trust the engineers, just like the engineers @ that airbag company used that explodes & sends out shards of metal... good engineering 4 sure... i wood NOT trust them as far as i could pick up my house & throw it... cost of building a car & maintaining it r ALWAYS figured in2 the equation... so, in other words, nobody else can produce a product that iz BETTER than 'oem' iz that wut u r saying ? ? ?
We'll assume that's a one percent gain overall. Wonder where the most improvement comes from: high speed, high rpm driving or stop and go, engine stop and start driving.
these thin oils are strictly for better mileage, otherwise harmful to the engine, witness toyota engine failures which are now common, simply unheard of in the past
I have a 2000 taco with 207,000 on it. Have always used Castro 5/30 conventional motor oil. Should I switch to 5/30 synthetic? I heard it will make engine leak.
Switched to synthetic 5/30 on a 2009 Tacoma with 315,000 in 2018. It now has 481,000 and doing fine. It does burn a quart every 5000 miles, but oil is cheap
it usually NOT the seals, butt the sludge around them... it cleans everything up & if they r worn, there could b a leak... synthetic oil has bin out since 1972 wen AMSOIL got 1st approved by API... m1 came out in 1974 & the rest hav followed... seals hav advanced... can't believe ur still using 'real oil' my gosh, r u behind the times...
I can't imagine running the more popular Ow20 instead of the Ow16 in your hybrid would make any difference. I would like to see the scientific proof confirming one way or another, anything else is just EPA politics and opinion.
On a higher mileage Prius 2017, we may use the formula for engines over 75K, 0-20. I am skeptical about this move to super lite oils., in the interests of that last 1% of mpg. Thanks for the video.😀
I put 0w20 in my 2021 toyota rav 4 even tho it uses 0w16 , turns out it drives much much better I'm using mobile 1 0w20, i put the whole 5 gallons, . I don't know if my car will explode but fir now its not sluggish anymore and it's more quite and like butter
The manual clearly states OW-20. I don’t know how the myth of using OW-16 came about for a Toyota RAV4 Hybrid. Perhaps if you live in the North or South Pole, OW-16 will be ok. OW-20 is a little better for protecting engine wear once we’re up and running. I’ve read a large amount on this. Cheers.
after listening 2 whole vid, i can say i get much better mpg using AMSOIL in my '16 lexus nx200t... going 55/60 mph i get 30/32 mpg... i wood NEVER use another brand than AMSOIL, just do not care about cost wen i get such good mpg, makes up the difference... already has 56k on it w/ALL fluids changed...
I don’t 😂but I had a 2003 Corolla and the 22 I replaced it with is no better on fuel. That one used 5/30 , the fuel saving is in my opinion is next to nothing. The 0/16 is way more expensive so where’s the saving? Just Toyota trying to increase their cross company mpg rating.
Y wood u even think of using that ? ALL highlander engines that yr. call 4 use of 5w30... i'm sure u hav MANY miles on it... never go 2 a thiner oil, i usually go up a notch or 2 in thickness, maybe a qt. or 2 of 5w40, if it is using a little...
My 2019 RAV4 runs better with Mobile One Extended Performance 0W20 and gets the same mpg. Skip the 0W16 unless you want to kill the engine (slightly) prematurely.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q Mobil 1 makes the 0w16 Toyota branded oil. There's LOTS of Camry Uber and Taxi cars with 200,000 plus miles that run perfect AND idle constantly.
Thin oil. More auto companies could be going thinner, depends on the engine tolerances. If I was living in a State that had hot temps, such as Arizona, Mexico, etc . I would use 5w-20 instead.
Yeah I used 0w-16 for my 1k mile break in oil change. Gas mileage has thankfully stayed the same. Toyota spec’d 0w-16 in previous years for this same engine so it must do the job
Toyota OEM 0w-16 oil price went up from April 2022 (7.49 per liter) Sep 2022 (14.98 per liter) Feb 2023(19.98 per liter) Canada Ontario I went from amsoil, toyo,toyo,toyo to amsoil again as it is cheaper now than toyo. Amsoil use to be expensive then price went up, now toyota is more expensive.
Fleet wide, a 1% decrease in fuel consumption or 1% increase in fleet-wide fuel economy is fairly large over millions of cars. However, the added cost to the consumer is quite substantial vs the fuel savings. Assuming 34 miles per gallon, and driving 12,000 miles per year, you would use 353 gallons of gasoline with 0w-20 and 349.4 using 0w-16 if it saves 1% in gas. So the consumer uses ~3.5 gallons of gas. At $3.50/gallon, you save about $12.25 a year. But these oils are expensive. Now you can find 0w-16 at Walmart for a reasonable price, say $27/5 qt, but the Toyota Genuine is quite a bit more expensive. Last I priced, it was over $9 a quart. I would feel very content in using 0w-20 in my 0w-16 engine, and certainly using the Pennzoil 0w-16 in my 0w-8 engine. What gives me pause is the motivation for Toyota -- it's not about making the engines last longer. It's about saving THEM money by increasing their fleet fuel economy. The sad reality is that premature engine wear, and thus trashed cars, does 10000x the environmental damage of the 1% increase in fuel consumption.
I tried using the reccommended 5-30 oil in my 2000 Tacoma. Lots of engine noise. I told my mechanic to change it to 3 qts. oil and 2 qts. Lucas Oil Stabilizer. He looked at me like I was nuts, but did as I asked. Engine runs nice and quiet now, for the past several years.
Why would you pay more for the same thing? Toyota does not make their own oil! Save your customers a bit of money by using a quality 100% synthetic oil that will work as good and will cost less. Even better, take before and after oil samples for the Toyota branded and any other 100% synthetic brand and send them for analysis. Beyond that, until some new breakthrough, I would not use such thin oil (16) in any car.
@@CheekyMonkey888 also, basically ONLY AMSOIL is 100% synthetic & has bin since '72... butt mite b m1 'extended' that is 100%, all others r wut i call 'over refined' real oil... that iz y they label them 'full' synthetic...
@@brucek.hoffman5868 oil companies can claim whatever they want, in hotter climates oil evaporation increases, you can see the effects especially in the Valvetrain areas because from top side it's cooled by oil circulation Look up slugging issues on late models bmw and ford products you may see a common trend
@@bobdylan9117 indeed, surprisingly some manufacturers recommends 6000 mi oil service look up bmw slugging issues, thousands of engines are gone to waste for to keep the EPA happy
I bought a brand new 2020 Corolla Hybrid in late 2019, and I’ve put 130000 miles on it already . I’ve used many oils from different manufacturers. On a third oil change I used 0w20 Valvoline oil and it burnt half a litter of that oil(oil change every 5000 miles). I always mesure how much of used oil I drain. So this is the list of oils she doesn’t burn:
Toyota 0w16
Mobil 1 0w16
Ravenol 0w16
Amsoil 0w16
Oils she burns
Valvoline 0w20
Valvoline 0w16 GF6
Now I’m experimenting with Liqui Molly 0w16 GF6 oil
This is a very detailed analysis!!!
@James Carroll so many labeled synthetic oil are not a true synthetic. These oils we’re grandfathered in before laws
were passed stating what a synthetic oil should be made of. But the general buyer does not know this. They believe
what they are reading on the bottle label. Even Mobil 1 is not now a true synthetic as they cheapened the formula
3 years ago. It is all about profits for them. There is only a few true synthetic oils on the market. AMS oil is a true synthetic.
Get what you pay for. Do a little reading and research. You will be an informed consumer and not believe the bunk the
big oil companies are pulling on you.
I'm going to try the Toyota oil in my wife's car next. She currently uses Castrol and seems to really be loyal to that brand but I suspect the Toyota brand will burn differently.
But all 0-16 are GF6. There are also other newer oils that are rated GF6 and those are great. Just use your correct weight of motor oil.
@@jackfrost99 Interestingly Shell will only allow its own brand in its stations tanks.
Texaco is another.
Otherwise most stations dont care whose blend ends up in the tank.
Petr is the real deal, same guy in person as on his videos. Me and my Toyotas are lucky to know him.
Friendly reminder to always use the oil grade printed on the oil fill cap, and to ALWAYS change oil and filter every 5000 miles or 6 months.
I see you followed from car care nuts 😎
@@Ahmed-zx6eg that’s been pretty standard forever
That is what they tell you to say, and even Scotty follows their speech talk.
Maybe ' they have been told'
I do 3,000 Km and change the grade with the temperature here in Canada. Never had an issue in 45 years with any vehicle I have owned. All well over 300,000Km on both of them.3.3 Chrysler iron blocks. They rock! Still have one.
Or the owners manual
I've been using 0W-20 for my 1KR-FE, 1ZR-FE and 2ZR-FE, people been sayin' to use 5W-30 and i said NO!!! Toyota IMC Pakistan recommends to use 5W-30 but i don't fallow them either, after my research i've found that 0W-20 is the best oil for 2ZR-FE. I get elevated mileage, smoother and quieter ride and instant throttle response. No more sluggish performance, elevated ride experience overall.
3ZR-FE - 5W-30 every 10 000 km. No problems whatsoever. ODO 355000 km
Some people think they’re smarter than the engineers.
Are you crazy using that thin oil in temperatures soaring upto 40 celcius.
We are using 0w16 in 50 Celsius in Iraq toyota hybrid
At what cost? More engine wear.
Yes, my 2019 prius uses Ow-16. U can USE O-20w but next change u have to go back to Ow-16. My Toyota manual states so. I WILL run Ow-16 always & change every 5,000 miles/6mos.😉🇺🇸
Do you know why it wont allow you to run 0w20 indefinitely?
@@k2229 probably to adhere to CAFE standards
Change your oil when it’s dirty and not what the book says. If you have a heavy foot 5000 miles and you’re oil may be burnt.
If you can find the required oil without issue why would u use anything but that. During the pandemic when there was supply chain issues sure. But now every oil should be in stock. I only use what’s recommended and required for my car. And that’s 0W-16
@@k2229that weight will cause deposits inside the engine.
Down here in Australia Toyota are telling the dealers to use 0W-20 in the latest model Corolla with the 2 litre M20A engine. I rang 3 Toyota spare parts departments and none of them had even heard of 0W-16, I kid you not!
I went down to the local dealer and spoke to 'service' person who told me they use 5W-30 from the bulk drum. I eventually located a dealer who assured me they use 0W-20. I change my oil every 6 months so will do the first oil change myself with 0W-20 and get the dealer to perform the first recommended service @ 12 months/15K and get the book stamped for warranty.
Wow! I always replace oil and oil filter first time at 1000 miles or 1500 kilometers.
Second time oil and oil filter replacement at roughly 3500 miles or 5600 kilometers and after that, every 3100 miles or 5000 kilometers or every three months, which ever comes first.
It matters what temperature you have. If you have freezing cold weather, 0W oils are great. If you only have hot summer weather, 5W-30 is also fine.
I have been using Toyota 0W16 since the wife got her 2019 Corolla HB. I buy it at the Toyota dealership along with the filter and crush washer. Surprisingly, the price is no higher than paying the regular price for synthetic oils at Canadian Tire.
It is rebadged Mobile Oil. They told me to see them for my first ' check' and oil change at 10,000 Km.
Needless to say ... I do all my own oil changes. For 40+ years, all at 3,000Km 3 quick under 600Km changes then 3,000 after that.
Engine repairs and oil burners seem to be the norm these days. I wonder why?
@@luckyguy600 Part of the oil burning problem with newer engines is the low tension rings they use.
@@luckyguy600Toyota does use Mobil 1 oil with “their own Toyota additives” in their oil.
Thank you! Very helpful. Can you suggest where I could find a copy of the document you read stating 0w-20 will not harm an engine designed for 0w-16?
Nice hair cut Peter. Nice looking glasses as well. Your knowledge is very much appreciated.
you forgot to say "no homo" after that, or did you not forget?
Our 2021 venza takes it.. not that it burns any.. car has been flawless for 50k miles already.
By the way in the Netherlands where I live Toyota dealers apply 5w30 oil for all petrol vehicles also the recent cars with the Dynamic Force Engines. If I want 0w16 for my 2019 Camry I get into nasty discussions. That where in the instruction book of the cars 0W16 is prescribed!
I guess the dealers buy the 5w30 in a large bulk and makes the dealers more money.
This RUclips is also interesting: ruclips.net/video/IKdhgKUZhPA/видео.html
Some dealers try to do the same here in Poland but I bring my own oil to the dealer. It's cheaper and that way Im sure to have correct viscosity (Millers 0w16).
Puur arrogantie wat wij in Nederland van onze dealers krijgen. Alsof ze het hier in NL beter dan de Japanners weten die de auto en motor ontwikkeld hebben.
I have been doing some research and a LAB test on my car for the last 4 years with different viscosities. to me is simple, all the low viscosity deal is to have better gas mileage and NOT to improve how long the engine will last (or minimize engine wear off) which will be in the best interest of the car owner, this low viscosity history is to satisfy EPA or European gasoline consumption rules(as you mention 1% if you are lucky), several LAB tests have show and prove to me that 5w-30 give less engine wear off than 0w-20 or 0w-16 the only exception to were are extreme cool weather or few exotic high HP car engines (that normally require heavier viscosity not thinner). Thanks for your video.
Nice to see your sense of humor in this one, Petr. And tell Boo Boo that several thousand people say "Hi!".
Before engines were built by engineers , nowadays, engines were built by accountants .
Marketing environmentalists too !
to meet unachievable targets set by politicians
Toyota started using this oil in the 2018 Camry with the 4 cylinder engine.
got 2018 camry no issues
Aside from the free oil changes in the first 2 years, I have been changing the oil myself using Mobil1 0w-16. Walmart usually has it in stock for less than $28 for a 5 qt jug. I would try Penzoil but can’t find it. BTW, Mobil makes the 0w-16 for Toyota
I just purchased a 2024 Toyota Corolla LE and I’m planning to do a break-in oil change at 1k miles. This new Corolla requires 0w8 engine oil. I can’t find this engine oil in any dealer anywhere. Would you recommend waiting in the oil change or putting in 0w16 oils? Can you make a video regarding this new requirement from Toyota of using 0w8 oil? Thank you for your videos.
I am in a similar boat. Just did the break in oil change on my 2024 Corolla SE and put in 0-W16. Couldn’t find 0-W8 anywhere.
I have 0W-8 Mobil One that I recently ordered online from Walmart. Also have 0W-16 that was spec’d for last years model.
2024 Corolla SE Hatchback 500mi, doing first oil change at 1000mi. Probably use the 0W-16…100++ degree days will be here soon enough (AZ)
I just bought a 2024 Corolla LE last week (Mar 2024). And of course it's spec'd for 0W-08. It's hard to find and relatively expensive. The motor oil geek told me he will do a video on this oil and if 0W-16 will be OK to use long term in our new Toyota's or not.
I have a new Suzuki Jimny, and the recommended oil for europe and Isreal is 0w16. However for all other markets (hot and cold, eg Russia, India etc) anything between 0w16 and 10w40 is acceptable. So basically, any of the usual oil viscosities can be used anywhere in the world.
Another cool new thing. My 2017 prius had Toyota dealers oil changes from Banger Maine to Yuma, Arizona.
A total of 7 dealerships. No one used Toyota motor oil.
The car care nut channel says the same thing. Toyota is using the cheapest bulk oil they can get. I would bet it is synthetic but I have questions over whether it’s the correct weight that they purchase. Time is money and there is zero chance that the techs are opening 1 quart bottles when they do oil changes
Thanks Petr, that was very entertaining. I imagine the same panic ensued when 5W-30 first replaced 10W-30 . 😉
ya, the 5w-30 conventional was a mistake for the 1MZ-FE. should have kept it to the "Non"-energy conserving grade.
Thank you Peter!
I always say “Citizen” or “Customer” rather than “Consumer”
There sure are a lot of oil "experts" in the comments section. I remember the same experts saying 20 weight oils would kill engines prematurely. Here we go again...
Well...isn't that true then? Older engines do last longer than modern...not only because of oil, but also because of build quality, turbo's failing, more parts, more failing points, etc....
I have a 2006 Honda Civic with 427k miles doesn’t burn a drop and always has had oil changes at the dealership it’s whole life using bulk 0w20 oil.
If you are not an expert, how will you tell the real experts from the novices pretending to be experts?
The W doesn’t stand for weight…
Thanks for your super efforts...clarified (although, I am still unsure). 0W-16 is more expensive and only slightly different than 0W-20. At the sacrifice of ultra gas efficiency, some tests suggests 0W-16 is too thin and 0W-20 prevents wear better...esp at higher temps. Where I stand?...0W-20 for older and 0W-16 for newer Toyotas.
Would this oil cause the cars to consume oil more than the higher weights?
Thanks for your overview of 0w-16 oil, had my 2022 Corolla Hybrid serviced lately and noticed the change from 0w-20 to 0w-16...
Peter should read bedtime stories of toyota maintenance procedures to everyones kids ... seriously.... and of course oil specs 🤔😁
No way in SoCal or Florida climate that 0W-16 is necessary or healthy for an engine. But hey, as long as car makes it out of warranty, the dealer has already demonstrated time and time again that they will mercilessly and shamelessly tell customers that they need an engine at low mileage. Who cares if the oil is to meet stringent government specs in Minnesota in the dead of winter 😆.
In 2018Toyota came out with the new 2.0L engine.
It was recommended to use the 5W-20 grade oil, BUT if not available you could use the 10W-30 weight oil. Once!
After that Toyota went to OW-20, OW-16, and now for 2024 OW-O8 oil. All along the way you could use the older grade if the new grade wasn't available.
It is in the vehicle manual, check it out. 2018 - 2024 for the Corolla/ Cross non-hybrid engine. The M20A-FKS engine is the one I am talking about.
I use the 5W-20 in the summer/ and OW-20 in the winter here in Lower Canada.
Using that new OW-O8 oil in Nevada /California should be a crime!
Japan isn't North America/ nor are the driving conditions and distances.
Just my opinion/ after all it it is my new vehicle, & my problem if I am wrong. I have 1300 Km on it & just did my 3rd engine oil change.
I will do 3,000 Km oil changes for as long as I own it.
so what is better if for my car if is saying car can run with 0-20,0-30,0-40?
Yeah , I have that in my 2021 Toyota RAV4. Thanks for the review.
You’ll need to do a video on Toyota 0W-8 oil that goes in the new A15 3 cylinder in my Yaris Cross Hybrid! Reassuringly expensive!
Never heard of that and looked it up. Sure enough it's out there, and from numerous manufacturers. I read the summary of an SAE paper explaining which additives are used for film formers and stabilizing the friction modifiers. Better living through chemistry.
0W-8 motor oil? That sounds like....kerosene! I would not drive a vehicle that called for that oil.
@@toma5153 What is the name of the SAE paper on 0W-8 oil and where can I see it? What are the additives?
@@gregorymalchuk272 Oh that comment was from two years ago. Give me some time and I'll reply again here.
I have used the Pennzoil 0W-16 oil and so far so good.
from what i hear penzoil is better then mobil 1 and is the best
If you use the recommended 0w-16 which is Synthetic, change at recommended intervals (5k for Prius) your engine will outlast the rest of your car and likely be operable albeit in the junkyard long after you are gone… worry about something that matters
Glad to have clarification on the myth that my 22 rav4 must use 0w16. Mobil 0w20 truck and suv going in on the next oil change. Thank you.. great content just subscribed.
I have had zero issues with 0w20 in 19 RAV4. Toyota is now switching to 0w8 on non turbo engines. You can use 0w20 in those as well with a very slight (probably not even measurable) reduction in mpg. Toyota engines are made so well they can run hundreds of thousands of miles on very thin oil.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q 0W8 thats a joke.
I love your videos, congratulations from Brazil🇧🇷
I switched to 0W-20 for our hot summer in our 2024 Rav4.
The only thing I have noticed over 500 miles is I get 36 mpg instead of 36.2.
When it’s 104F and the road surface is 120F and the AC is running all the time …
It will be interesting to see just how long the engine will last using this 0W16 oil. Time will reveal all.
@@jackfrost99 While your mileage is low make sure you have the latest software updates for your car.
Some dealers have been cutting corners by not doing that.
@@jackfrost99 Scotty Kilmer did a video about this
Exactly. I suspect there actually is a trade-off between oil viscosity and engine longevity. Toyota has determined that better fuel economy is worth any loss of engine longevity, but for me, who typically keeps a car for many 100s of thousands of miles, I’d like to know what that relationship is.
@@CarlosRodriguez-hb3vq yep the nowadays toyota sucks, so many problem because the cheap design and cheap built, i m thinking choose the other brands but which ones?
@@fixitallpaul4847 ya, I have a shrine of Scotty in my living room.
Lucas is going to sell a lot of oil stabilizer in the next 15 years
Yep, my 2021 Prius takes 0W-16....I keep it stocked up in my garage because sometimes can be hard to find. I heard the new 2.0 ICE engine in the next Gen Prius will take 0W-8 but haven't confirmed it yet.
No
I prefer Pennzoil Platinum 0W16 and hoping soon they will have Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 0W16 .
too thin 2 last longer than a normal change cycle...
@@brucek.hoffman5868 I add 8 ounces of Motorkote to my oil . I think using some type of anti-friction additive is a good idea .
Bought the last 4 quarts of 0-16 Mobil 1 at Walmart to change wife Prius oil. I never heard about it I before till I checked the manual.
Am from the Caribbean where it gets very hot I hav a Nissan van 2010 an I use Toyota oil only an we doing great don't burn oil or anything I change my oil every 6 months
The new corolla needs 0w8 .. can i use 0w 16?
My Prius uses this oil. After 3K miles I can notice a difference in the performance. My assumption is because the oil filter is so tiny. I change the oil every 3K it runs like new. Toyota says that a thicker oil will cause deposits inside the engine. Probably also because the oil filter is so tiny. It looks like it should belong on a lawnmower.
Peter My 2020 Tundra calls for 0W20 but people on the web in other countries posted pics of their owners manuals for the same engine (5.7 V8) that called for 0W30 and 5W30. How can this be? Also I would like to see your video on why toyota now says 2019-21 Tundra transfer cases has to use the straight single weight oil now(very expensive) instead of what it had used all the years before.
I would guess that they were required under US law to improve overall mileage across all their vehicles sold stateside.
That extra little fuel economy is far easier to achieve by filling a crankcase than any other current approach
Its depends on what type of weather you have, for example using 0W oils in canada would work perfectly in Canada but not at all in middle east
Is it Mobil 1 repackaged ?
I am afraid this newer thinner oil is going to lead to shorter life spans of engine and increased oil usage. The big problem with this is that they use looser oil scrapping rings. With the thinner oils you can do that when the engine is brand new and indeed it does lead to less fuel usage (lesser friction with looser oil rings). But....when your engine gets older these rings start to leak the thinner oil along the rings leading to burning of oil. That burned oil will clough up your engine and lead to failure.
cat converter will plug...
Going by the Viscosity Chart a 20 weight is good to +15c so a 16 weight would be about +10c - 12c. Means you don´t want to be driving your car around in sommer.
Maybe I missed it but the document doesn't mention any downside to engine wear and tear if you used a higher viscosity oil. They seem to only mention the mileage.
Correct. That's why even 15W-40 can be used imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/1739/cUvnMr.jpg
Is toyota going to give a life time warranty on engine if we use it. Just like 10.000 miles oil change bs I go 5000
Only use 0W16 oil in engines that specifically call for 0W16 and change it every 6 months or 3000 miles. Also there are LOTS of Uber drivers and taxi drivers using the late model Camry with no issues to over 200,000 miles.
You know that isn’t going to happen. That’s like saying they will replace your transmission after they sealed it and recommending to never change the trans fluid.
Good point!
Could you add 3 quarts ow-16 then the rest 0w-20 to get best of both worlds. Almost 0w-18 in warmer weather?
i like that... i do that wen a car uses oil, a qt. of '00'w40 takes care of consumption, usually...
My Toyota dealer insists on using 0w-20 in my 2005 2.4 Liter Camry. The manual says 5w-30!! is the dealer in the wrong?
I would use 5W-30 or 10W-30. Try an independent garage for oil changes.
I have a 2006 Honda Civic with 427k miles running 0w20 dealership bulk oil so using 0w20 is no problem.
nice what does 06 recomend prob 5w30? Also not related but ever change your transmission fluid or still original
Hello and yes you have answer my questions and speculations. I recently purchased 2024 Toyota Camry SE with 2.5L V4 engine. at first I was planning to use other brand of OW-16 however I may just stick with OEM Toyota OW-16 currently still breaking in my engine as Toyota manual says for the first 618 miles after that I will change the oil at approximately 800 miles again at 1,500 miles. afterwards every 3 mouths or 3,000 miles. some may say wasting money on early oil change. I would say. I'm sorry did you pay for my Toyota????? if not leave me alone.
In J A Pan I heard they do not use cars past 5 years old?
it would make sense then to use 16 oil and at least meet some crazy fuel economy factor. Me? I am going to use 0W-20 in my soon-to-be 2023 Corolla Cross engine. Heck, I might even dump it after 5 years too. I kept 2 Chrysler 3.3 engines for 17 & 18 years and no problem. Change the oil every 5,000 Km and no issues.
Where is your shop? I need maintenance done by expert
I’ve used Quaker State oil for decades. It’s even recommended for my Prius, when not using Toyota oil.
It's amazing people still think the brand of oil makes a difference just like the brand of gas makes a difference (any Top-Tier rated gas is fine). It's all about using the grade of oil the engine calls for. Use synthetic for added piece of mind. Hell, I'm now using Kirkland brand synthetic.
The only reason its recommended is because money is involved.
New subscriber here. I love his accent, what’s the origin? Thx
Thanks Peter for this information.
so according to what you read it's completely okay to run 0w-20 on Toyota vehicles that call for 0w-16, correct?
You'll just lose 2% in fuel economy according to the benefits I've read of one vs the other.
@@racheat when i use 0-16 engine noisy why ?
All I can say is, my 1997 Tacoma with 2rz-fe that takes 5w30 burns way less oil than my wife's 2014 Scion xb with a 2az-fe (supposedly with the known oil consumption issues long fixed) which takes 0w20. 0w16 seems ridiculous to me. I'll just keep the cars I have running and never buy a 0w16 car until I see a lot of them with 300k miles.
Ahmed, the Car Care Nut and Toyota Master Tech, says he has seen problems with 0W-16 engines using thicker oils. He emphatically said, "Don't do it". FWIW
@@johndorrell1 my comment aligns the car with the oil, so it's really about cars that take thicker oil versus cars that take the thinner stuff. Time will tell which was better, but my money is literally on the thicker oil cars.
@@kenfuciusfpv2800 I do agree with 100% all these thinner oil businesses if to get a little better gasoline consumption (1% MAX if you are lucky) and not to have an engine last longer (less engine wear) , I have seen change oil specs from 5w-20 to 0w-16 in the same engine from one year to the next, how that can bee if is the same engine with the same tolerances and same spare parts numbers??? obviously is only to meet EPA or European Gas consumptions not for the best car owner's interest (ie make the engine last longer).
That doesn't have the API Certification stamp anywhere, the one that used to say "For Gasoline Engines" that was usually in front of the bottles.
rite in mid back label " API SP, SN+, SN "... find @ 1:43 into video
Thanks for all the information.
Hi, it's the first time I'm going to do the oil change outside the Toyota agency and quote the filter and the oil and on the lid it says 0w20 but they want to sell me 5w30 they say it's the one they always put because of the temperature that my city handles it is between 25-40 degrees centigrade... I don't know what oil to put
i have a 2020 corolla 2 liter engine M20A-FKS serviced by a local toyota dealer , our temp ranges from 45 degrees F to 110 degrees F , they use 15W-40 oil car uses 7.5 l/ 100 km in town and 5.5 l/100 km highway at 130KM/h
Insightful video. Thank you.
Own a 2019 Tundra and 2016 4Runner that both call for 0w20. Now have a Lexus ES300H that calls for 0w16 and I do my own oil changes. Really considering using 0w20 in the Lexus, so I only have 1 type of oil in my garage but I’m nervous about the warranty. Not worried about the 1% fuel mileage loss.
What Would Peter Do (WEPD)?
Ow20
they will get u on that change of viscosity, it will " VOID " engine warranty... guaranteed...
What's does the data show on engine wear comparing 0w-20 vs 0w-16. A potential 1% increase fuel economy with a less viscous oil at the possible expense of increased engine wear would not be my choice. Show me the data Toyota.
He makes more money off of pushing Toyota oils, lubes, parts' etc
So of course his interests are SELF SERVING= 💰💰💰💰💰MANY OTHER TOP OILS DO THE SAME AND BETTER
The data is clear and available if you look. Thinner oil gets to parts on start up faster than thicker oil. Once there the film strength is what the engineers call for. Change your oil every 6 months or 3000 miles you'll never have an issue.
@@IKnewMickey re: "The data is clear..." While I accept the more frequent oil interval changes you mentioned (more frequent that Toyota recommends), I was not able to find any studies using the scientific method comparing engine wear between synthetic 0w-16 and 0w-20 oil. Possibly I missed them. Thanks for your feedback to my comment. I am a skeptic until proven with sound data...that I am not able to find.
@@quaternion-pi Engineering Explained has a detailed video on 0w16 oils. And I'm sure Bob is the oil guy forum has many threads on the subject. As for me I trust the 1000 plus engineers Toyota hired to develop their products. I know some of those products have been duds but Toyota is planning extensive use of this tech in the near future and my 2019 2.5L runs on 0w16 oil with zero issues so far. ( I know 3 years proves nothing ) cheers
@@IKnewMickey trust the engineers, just like the engineers @ that airbag company used that explodes & sends out shards of metal... good engineering 4 sure... i wood NOT trust them as far as i could pick up my house & throw it... cost of building a car & maintaining it r ALWAYS figured in2 the equation... so, in other words, nobody else can produce a product that iz BETTER than 'oem' iz that wut u r saying ? ? ?
We'll assume that's a one percent gain overall. Wonder where the most improvement comes from: high speed, high rpm driving or stop and go, engine stop and start driving.
Its the stop and start. The reduction in force needed to restart the car helps extend the life of a starter.
these thin oils are strictly for better mileage, otherwise harmful to the engine, witness toyota engine failures which are now common, simply unheard of in the past
👍I use this in my 2021 Toyota RAV4, dynamic force engine.
I have a 2000 taco with 207,000 on it. Have always used Castro 5/30 conventional motor oil.
Should I switch to 5/30 synthetic? I heard it will make engine leak.
Switched to synthetic 5/30 on a 2009 Tacoma with 315,000 in 2018. It now has 481,000 and doing fine. It does burn a quart every 5000 miles, but oil is cheap
In really old vehicles that change could cause leaks. Not so much for many years now. All seals are tolerant to synthetics now.
it usually NOT the seals, butt the sludge around them... it cleans everything up & if they r worn, there could b a leak... synthetic oil has bin out since 1972 wen AMSOIL got 1st approved by API... m1 came out in 1974 & the rest hav followed... seals hav advanced... can't believe ur still using 'real oil' my gosh, r u behind the times...
Depends if you have sludge or heavy varnish in the engine. If the internals are clean, synthetic won't cause any leaks that wouldn't happen anyway.
YES, I heard of it. IT GOES INTO A RAV4 HYBRID.
And here I am using ester based fully synthetic 0W-50 on my 1GRFE 😄
I can't imagine running the more popular Ow20 instead of the Ow16 in your hybrid would make any difference. I would like to see the scientific proof confirming one way or another, anything else is just EPA politics and opinion.
The local motor factors haven't even heard of 0W 16 motor oil
On a higher mileage Prius 2017, we may use the formula for engines over 75K, 0-20. I am skeptical about this move to super lite oils., in the interests of that last 1% of mpg. Thanks for the video.😀
Do not believe all the bull crap the car manufactures are telling car owners.
I put 0w20 in my 2021 toyota rav 4 even tho it uses 0w16 , turns out it drives much much better I'm using mobile 1 0w20, i put the whole 5 gallons, . I don't know if my car will explode but fir now its not sluggish anymore and it's more quite and like butter
I hope you didn't put "the whole 5 gallons" 💀😭
The manual clearly states OW-20. I don’t know how the myth of using OW-16 came about for a Toyota RAV4 Hybrid. Perhaps if you live in the North or South Pole, OW-16 will be ok. OW-20 is a little better for protecting engine wear once we’re up and running. I’ve read a large amount on this.
Cheers.
5 gallons or 5 quart jug ?
I’m switching to Amazon synth I think?
Running Lucas conventional now. 05-30w for 22re.
after listening 2 whole vid, i can say i get much better mpg using AMSOIL in my '16 lexus nx200t... going 55/60 mph i get 30/32 mpg... i wood NEVER use another brand than AMSOIL, just do not care about cost wen i get such good mpg, makes up the difference... already has 56k on it w/ALL fluids changed...
Will stick with 0w16 autumn and winter and in spring summer switch to 0w20
Lifetime transmission fluid and 0w-16 oil. Toyota want the car not to last?
I don’t 😂but I had a 2003 Corolla and the 22 I replaced it with is no better on fuel. That one used 5/30 , the fuel saving is in my opinion is next to nothing. The 0/16 is way more expensive so where’s the saving? Just Toyota trying to increase their cross company mpg rating.
You should move to a free state.
I have a 06 Highlander hybrid would you recommend 0 16 in that one?
Y wood u even think of using that ? ALL highlander engines that yr. call 4 use of 5w30... i'm sure u hav MANY miles on it... never go 2 a thiner oil, i usually go up a notch or 2 in thickness, maybe a qt. or 2 of 5w40, if it is using a little...
@@brucek.hoffman5868 mine's super low miles only a quarter million
@@justinsane7128 ha!
My wife's 2020 RAV4 takes 0w-16. Been using Mobil I as it's the only brand in my area that's consistently in stock. It's *SOOO* thin....
My 2019 RAV4 runs better with Mobile One Extended Performance 0W20 and gets the same mpg. Skip the 0W16 unless you want to kill the engine (slightly) prematurely.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q Just using what Toyota specifies and changing religiously at 6 mo/5k miles. Actually did first change at 2,500
@@user-tb7rn1il3q Mobil 1 makes the 0w16 Toyota branded oil. There's LOTS of Camry Uber and Taxi cars with 200,000 plus miles that run perfect AND idle constantly.
Thin oil. More auto companies could be going thinner, depends on the engine tolerances. If I was living in a State that had hot temps, such as Arizona, Mexico, etc . I would use 5w-20 instead.
I just bought a new 2023 Corolla LE gas 2.0 which surprisingly takes 0w-8. Seems crazy.
Yeah I used 0w-16 for my 1k mile break in oil change. Gas mileage has thankfully stayed the same. Toyota spec’d 0w-16 in previous years for this same engine so it must do the job
Can I use 0w16 in 0w20 engine?
Engine won't fall apart, but it's likely not recommended.
Toyota OEM 0w-16 oil price went up from
April 2022 (7.49 per liter)
Sep 2022 (14.98 per liter)
Feb 2023(19.98 per liter)
Canada Ontario
I went from amsoil, toyo,toyo,toyo to amsoil again as it is cheaper now than toyo.
Amsoil use to be expensive then price went up, now toyota is more expensive.
thanks,🙂
Fleet wide, a 1% decrease in fuel consumption or 1% increase in fleet-wide fuel economy is fairly large over millions of cars.
However, the added cost to the consumer is quite substantial vs the fuel savings. Assuming 34 miles per gallon, and driving 12,000 miles per year, you would use 353 gallons of gasoline with 0w-20 and 349.4 using 0w-16 if it saves 1% in gas. So the consumer uses ~3.5 gallons of gas. At $3.50/gallon, you save about $12.25 a year. But these oils are expensive. Now you can find 0w-16 at Walmart for a reasonable price, say $27/5 qt, but the Toyota Genuine is quite a bit more expensive. Last I priced, it was over $9 a quart.
I would feel very content in using 0w-20 in my 0w-16 engine, and certainly using the Pennzoil 0w-16 in my 0w-8 engine. What gives me pause is the motivation for Toyota -- it's not about making the engines last longer. It's about saving THEM money by increasing their fleet fuel economy. The sad reality is that premature engine wear, and thus trashed cars, does 10000x the environmental damage of the 1% increase in fuel consumption.
I still haven't understood how using thinner oil help with the direct injection of gas diluting the oil
It doesn't my friend .
@@rollymignacca4821 that's what honda had said
If I tried putting that oil in my 1983 Toyota I would have less than zero oil pressure
Interesting. Engine oil vacuum.
I tried using the reccommended 5-30 oil in my 2000 Tacoma. Lots of engine noise. I told my mechanic to change it to 3 qts. oil and 2 qts. Lucas Oil Stabilizer. He looked at me like I was nuts, but did as I asked. Engine runs nice and quiet now, for the past several years.
@@BakedRBeans lol
TBH I'd be sticking a 0w/30 in
Mobil 1 super 3000 ILSAC / GF -6 B full synthetic engine oil . HC 0W16 . The first oil.
I have new Yaris hybrid, it has 0W-8 oil in engine.
u hav got 2 b kidding me... i've heard about it, butt never thought it wood come out in my life time...
@@brucek.hoffman5868 No i am not kidding.
Is this Idemitsu oil?
Mobil mixes this for Toyota. Idemitsu mixes for Subaru.
Why would you pay more for the same thing?
Toyota does not make their own oil!
Save your customers a bit of money by using a quality 100% synthetic oil that will work as good and will cost less.
Even better, take before and after oil samples for the Toyota branded and any other 100% synthetic brand and send them for analysis.
Beyond that, until some new breakthrough, I would not use such thin oil (16) in any car.
mobil1 makes toyota oem oil, but, toyota specs the additive mix, stick to oem with such a thin oil
@@CheekyMonkey888 also, basically ONLY AMSOIL is 100% synthetic & has bin since '72... butt mite b m1 'extended' that is 100%, all others r wut i call 'over refined' real oil... that iz y they label them 'full' synthetic...
It's not the "same thing", Einstein ... 🙄
Costco oil for my 2019 4 runner
2020 Corolla SE take it
Thin oil + hot climate = SLUDGE
sorry, better chemistry, = less sludge...
correction. Thin oil + hot climate = shorter oil life = sludge
@@brucek.hoffman5868 oil companies can claim whatever they want, in hotter climates oil evaporation increases, you can see the effects especially in the Valvetrain areas because from top side it's cooled by oil circulation
Look up slugging issues on late models bmw and ford products you may see a common trend
@@bobdylan9117 indeed, surprisingly some manufacturers recommends 6000 mi oil service look up bmw slugging issues, thousands of engines are gone to waste for to keep the EPA happy