Great to hear your thoughts. I felt similarly after driving the base version, the amount of potential it had was insane. I think if Nissan dialed in the the throttle, suspension and steering out of the box, it would have fared better on the market. I didn’t buy one because it would have taken a decent amount of money to make it into the car that I wanted. I feel like a lot of others felt the same way (and it’s not like the market for a new sports car is huge anyway)
Yup those 3 things need to be addressed. It's tuned far too much like a GT, which isn't necessarily bad but doesn't align with what potential customers want. I'm itching to try one with quality coilovers and a light flywheel/tune. Total cost at that point would be on par with a GR Supra 3.0.
@@Zygrene Yeah, that might be too much to justify against the Supra, but if you could manage to find someone with a modified Z, that would be a cool comparison to make if you could get ahold of a Stock Supra press car!
@@Realistick But it sounds like the base is exactly what you'd want? $10k to put in your own limited slip, coilovers, wheels/tires and an aftermarket seat that fits you? Probably a little left over for a tune or chassis or sway bar.
@@pab3783When it first came out, lack of inventory and dealers wanted $15k+ markup on these cars. This went on for 2 years. There are some selling without ADM, but they still slap on added accessories. The emotional drive to buy this car pretty much died with people more worried about inflation than buy a car that costs more than a Supra or V8 Mustang.
@@pab3783markups, I used to work for a Nissan dealer doing photography and the z I shot was 80k with a markup. Sad thing is it was the auto. Still don’t understand why this car gets hate tho, people really need to drive one first before writing it off
@@wheraboo5013it's not faster because you call people haters. It's NOT faster as a fact. If you want one, then get your parents or SO to pay out the ass for this ugly ass car. Tech advances, yes. I get that. Going another 20k more on the price tag is what is even more insane.
@@wheraboo5013 old cars like the 90s lightweight turbo cars with few electronics, Z is outdated, 370z ran 4 years too long, Nissan is lost in the sauce
You can get a WRX for less than half the price and drop about $2000 on it and have nearly comparable horse power, all wheel drive, and a usable back seat.
Yup, price. 12-15k over priced. The Z has always been the budget friendly Sports car giving you a deal. MSRP is no deal compared to competitors. The top trim Z should be no more than 43k after sales tax.
@@jasondueck9130 There's a maroon/burgundy low-mileage twin-turbo 300ZX in a showroom a mile from me. They want $40k for it. If I had the extra money it could be a good investment. Drive it every now and then keep it indoors. Another 10 or 15 years and you could probably profit.
In my area, the Z is on sale at multiple dealerships for under $55K. C8 Vettes are listed for over $70K. Plus the C8 are ugly in my opinion, but I'm sure many will disagree. The C8 has more HPs, but the Z is plenty fast enough. But whatever. I wouldn't buy either.
@@JohnBowl14690 The Corvette is the absolute opposite of the Z though. It's all new technology and design, a whole new platform. The Z is old engineering and platform with a new face and insane pricing. The Corvette is more than just more horsepower, it's mid-engine. Flat-plane V8 like a Ferrari would be. It's a "cheap" super car. I don't love the look of it, but I'd take it over the new Z any day. Personally I love the C5.
@@drownthepoor - Point taken. I guess I would be more interested in a C8 if they got rid of that ugly rear end and did a few changes. To me, the C8 is close to looking awesome, but it doesn't for some reason. I just don't know why.
Back in the 1990's I sold new Nissans in addition to managing at a the same dealership for a few years. We honestly never sold very many of the 300z's back then, so it's not surprising they're not selling well. It's a lot of money for a small car and it seems everyone wants something bigger. That's just my opinion, I personally have always loved these cars.
Lots around even at a discount where I live. Still not selling so it is something else. For me the lack of adaptive ride, 18 way leather seats, upgraded tech, manual on the Nismo. These are features of the M2 and others that are in the bracket.
@mperformance3502 $20,000 was the price difference not the price. Sorry if I worded that poorly, the 370z Sport with LSD was under $35k in 2019 and now the 2024 Z Performance is $20k more. It's had possibly the biggest price increase of any of the "inexpensive" sports cars lately.
@@mperformance3502 while I agree with that assessment, only pricing has risen with inflation, income really has not for a lot of people so it still feels like a substantial jump in price even if it can be explained away by inflation.
When dealerships marked them up to $85k+ all across the states, that's what killed the hype. I saw dealerships trying to sell them for $100k as well. Even now, a new one costs around $65k. You can buy a lightly used g82 M4 for $65k.
@@Digiphex Even 60k is to much for this car, it's a Z for gosh sakes, not a damn Vette or Jaguar. And lets not forget no matter where you are in the country, dealers are not letting people test drive these things, and they have very little if any on their lots. Ordering site unseen, is not something many like to do, especially sports car enthusiasts.
I bought my Z (2023 manual in blue) earlier this year, payed below sticker price, treat and enjoy it as a GT car not a sports car and love it, the naysayers are missing out. Do I have some gripes? sure! but I've had gripes with every car I've owned and despite all shortcomings I am blatantly aware of this car manages to put one hell of a smile on my face every time I drive it. :p
@onlytheghosts Will do boss 😉why the passive aggressive? It doesn't take long on Instagram or whatever to see why I don't want to be a "car guy" that's hardly an insult my fiend I'm a "car enthusiast" with a heavy bias towards Nissan, talk about burning money on a 20 year old Nissan I bought my 180sx after Covid 😂not to mention all the parts I've been buying for it. I cannot put into words how little I care about my Z's chassis not being something bespoke, I love my facelift 370 bro, they made it look so good and gave it twin turbos! the parts availability is also awesome being an existing chassis and engine and yes while the sticker price and dealer price hikes in the USA are total BS I didn't pay sticker, so why the fuss?
@@Jubbs0100 Nissan will always have a special place in my heart. Would love to own this Z, but definitely will never have the cash to buy it. Enjoy it man, it's the end of an era for JDM, and I feel like the new Z is at least still Nissan in heritage. I think resale on these will be strong for years
It really looks good as sports car 🚘 but nowadays a lot of younger people really don’t know how to drive a stick shift, they don’t how fun it’s to shift and use a clutch
@@LeoMkII sadly I think car "culture" has/is killing the car industry as much as regulation and greed. I don't know whether it's a generational thing or what, but people seem to have lost perspective on what the essence of driving fun is. I will take a very basic interior, with very modest mod-cons, an aggressive/eye pleasing exterior paired with a manual transmission and a reliably powerful and responsive engine any day (300hp is more than enough!). Preferably RWD but Honda have shown FWD can be just as fun. There's a reason the Koenigsegg CEO drives a 90s MX-5 as his daily. Driving is an experience, it's a bond between man and machine. Clarkson once said something along those lines
The problems with this car are endless. The 400Z is a modified 370z chassis, the 370z chassis is a modified 350z chassis. This is a 20+ year old platform. The engine is a slightly tweaked redsport engine, 6 years old at time of launch. The entire car is a parts bin with the exception of the head/tail lights. At launch dealers were asking 5-10k over sticker. The community swore this was going to be a Supra killer, even the NISMO is slower in every way. It's not that it's a bad car per se, but barely anything about it is new or worth 45-60k.
I don’t think any of that was a problem except the dealer markups. It has a viable chassis and motor, hell the R35 and 911 chassis are just tweaked over time also, “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, just improve on it” Hell if they brought back the s-series chassis I don’t think anyone would bitch!
Th chassis isn’t the problem. It’s still ridged, balanced, and weighs exactly what it should given the dimensions. Sports car chassis design hasn’t changed much in the last 20 years. Supercars on the other hand have evolved a lot over that period of time chassis wise.
No one in the community thought this would be a Supra killer. We all knew the powertrain and chassis going into it. However, people were excited for a truly Japanese alternative with a manual.(which Supra didn’t offer at the time). I still ended up going Supra for all the reasons you mentioned.
@@Superdimensional Nissan is not Porsche, and the way they build the Z does not mirror the philosophy of Porsche. Nissan is controlled by accountants, Porsche is controlled by engineers. The decisions made along the way are not comparable
@@brianbohnet1907But Porsche hasn’t changed its car design since its inception example Bugatti VW Lamborghini Audi same old designs from the 20th century
… and the car guys with money buy Porsches, McLarens, Superformance Cobras, or Lotuses. Corvettes have also always been “great tuning platforms”. A built C7 manual Grand Sport with all the Katech and DSC Sport engine and suspension bits is about the fastest RWD NA manual canyon carver you can get, and even the coupes have targa tops, all for under 6 figures even new. New Z06s are ridiculous too, 95% of the fun of a 458 Spyder for less than half the price, and with twice the reliability. Plenty of great track day cars out there these days too if you want something spicier than a Miata, which are also still fantastic and some of the most fun you can have new under $30k.
This right here. Gone are the days of 80s,90s, and early 00 JDM import tuners. Cars sold today are not sold barebones with respectable internals/platforms. Look at this one. A $60k+ vehicle that, off the lot, doesn't speak the language the target market does. Those folks wanna tune, tinker, and have fun. No one is chopping up a $60,000 car for the sake of enthusiasm. Those guys who have the $ go out and buy supreme performance vehicles (see: luxury) not a Japanese car with retro yearnings of yesteryear. It's not profitable anymore to sell a tuner for $20,000.
People were eager, willing and able to buy this car. They waited and waited... then, only few were offered. But offered at a very high price.... over priced. We were told at the beginning what this car would be and at what price. But then the dealerships started to take advantage and abuse the customers with high markups. That's the consequence of all of that...
The price. The Z needs to be cheaper than the Camaro, Mustang, and Challenger in order to sell. They made it more expensive. They made their bed now they must lay in it.
@@hadtocheathimtobeathim6549 because the Mustang and Camaros beat it in every category. They're selling it for more than PP2 and SS 1le prices and its not even close in performance. You can't even say its more practical
@@4drturbo85 you can get basically the same thing if you buy a used Infiniti Q50 or Q60 redsport and the infiniti looks 100 times better than the nissan z
This is a big brain comment. Japan's Yen has collapsed, boosting their profits significantly at the end of each fiscal year, when they convert their results into Yen. Furthermore, Japan is a country that is often in deflation the last 20+ years--meaning their costs are stagnant, or even decreasing in many years!!! They see USA as their profit donkey, no other way to explain it.
I own a 1972 Datsun 240z. When this new Z car came out I was super excited to buy one. Went to the dealer and as soon as I saw the $100k dealer MARKUP I told them to F-off and haven't gone back..
They have 9 Zs in my town dealership. All are $56,000.. That is an beyond ridiculous price. I cud buy a mustang V8 for much less. Does nissan want to go bankrupt??
1- Dealer Markups 2- BMW Supra is superior 3- Other costs (Insurance Costs, high apr, etc.). 4- Other more affordable alternatives even with markups (Type R, GR Corolla, etc.).
Supra is way superior, almost as if using BMW is cheating when you use their drivetrain. Anyways, if you have the supra side by side with the 400z and you ignore the price tags, drivetrains, and performance. All you have is looks, or exterior design. The supra looks way more exotic, way more exciting, and lighter weight. Just the looks alone fades the 400z away. The 400z just doesn't look exciting, or that cool.
@@metalmike570 I agree, pricing in the 30s range would be a great deal for what you get. I would only get the nismo because the front end looks cleaned up more.
I tried to buy one last week. 15k in dealer fees brought it to over 80k(Canadian), bad financing rates on top considering they don't sell any and still advertise 2023 models. I walked.
I still remember when it first came out a local dealer in Vancouver Canada had a launch edition on the showroom floor already sold to a collector. The sales told me it was part of the deal to let them display the car for a bit before the customer could take it home. He also said they were trading for well over USD100K. I walked too.
Dealers around Vancouver offer them at for 4K below MSRP on their web site. I think an in-between trim would have been a good idea, the 10K jump is just too much. So far I have only ever seen one Z in traffic and the few times I visited dealerships they did not have any. So no wonder they are not around, high price for the upper trims and no availability.
@@FlexRogersI have a client that bought a NISMO version Over 80k CAD! . I could not believe what he paid for it. Also the platform itself is pretty ancient even with revisions. The engine I didnt find to be anything special either. Im not exactly a Mustang fan but the GT Performance Pack is over 20k cheaper at list prices…
@@terryhallahan4399 Toyota sucks too as far as their Supra. Its overhyped and overpriced as well. During the Covid crap the car manufacturers and dealers were riding high off the govt tit and now that is gone and they still think they can demand these prices. 😂
Don't see these on the roads at all. Was interested when they first came out, but dealer mark-ups were crazy. Nowadays would look to a Supra or Mustang GT.
Supra all day, and I don't say that easily because I actually like the look of the Z more, but there's just to many advantages to the Supra over the Z for me to say otherwise.
I drive a semi truck for a living and the only one I've seen was one thay was being hauled to a dealership. I've never seen one on the road and I drive all over the US.
@@ztotheu2974 - Nissan is kind of stale, but I'd still pick this car over a C8 Vette. These are currently listed for $53K in my local area. I happen to like the looks of this car better than the Supra and definitely better than the Mustang.
my theory - Nissan has damaged their brand so much in the past decade that no one cares for them anymore and the 400Z is a casualty of that. feel bad for the engineers but Nissan made their bed
It's a parts bin car.. 350/370 chassis + q60 red sport motor + 6spd manual.. they did what they could with what they had.. Toyota had to go into bed with two other manufacturers to make their sports cars.. If this car was priced to top out at like $40-45k USD, it'd be a much more compelling buy.. but there's just too much on the used market in that price range that I'd rather spend my money on.. Hell, you could get 2-3 cars, if you wanted to, with a new Z budget..
@@dre32pitt Yes thats how it's always worked. Used cars are better deals than new cars. This is nothign new. For the price of a $25k corolla you can get two used corollas. Yes.
what Killed this ? IT IS DEALERSHIPS FAULT they added Markups bringing prices to $60k even $70k for a Performance that was supposed to be in the 40s. i've seen Nismo's priced at $90k... what do you expect???
My dealer gave zero info on when they would get one. They finally called me to say they had one, initially saying $20k markup. I didn't even go look when it arrived. Then about 40 days later they called and said "mark-up off." White car with automatic, I wasn't interested in either part of that combination. Now they have two sitting for sticker.
I live in the 4th largest city and have never seen one around town except on the dealership lots. I had to re-watch the video. Did they actually use interior bits from the previous generation?
I hear you but some folks are incapable of leaving a car stock, even if it's great from the factory. Definitely a minority population though, which doesn't help the Z's case.
That's how these Z's always have been. Nissan gives you a decent GT car from the factory that's a blank canvas. Wait like 5-7 years from now when you can pick these up cheap and mod away. Just like the 350z and 370z is today. Decent when they were out but people picked them up for cheap used and made them into what they wanted...track car, drag car, drift car, show car, daily street car, takeover car (sigh),
The dealership canceled my allocation because I didn’t wanna pay the $30k over sticker at my local Nissan dealership, car sat in the showroom for months, I have only seen 5 cars on the road in the last 2 years. Everyone has lost interest in these cars.
You know you have the right to sue under Price Gouging Laws. While dealerships exist to make money the MSRP is what the manufacture suggests is a good starting point for negotiating for both the consumer and the dealership and it's almost double what the dealership actually pays for the car. If you placed your deposit on it BEFORE the price gouging game that means you reserved a unit for yourself at the current price at the time, which I'm assuming was around the MSRP, which then adds bait and switch on top of the price gouging.
I think everyone has lost interest in getting screwed over by greedy dealer markups. The manufacturers are making some sweet cars, but the dealers are burying them with their greedy markups. Sad times for enthusiasts.
Tuning Platform. U nailed it. I would say the slow rev drop, is aiding in keeping the power up between shifts. Like when you rowed through the gears at around 7 minutes into the video. I think that is a very nice car, that probably appeals to women in stock form... and men when tuned and modded.
I live in the city of San Diego, travel all over the whole county and have seen like 3. I see lambos and ferraris often and only three of these since they dropped lol
As a Z fan it drives me nuts to say this but it’s out classed by the Supra for not a lot more and undercut on price by the gr86 which is also more fun. Ugh, Nissan…
@@MattWong117 you really think the GR86 is the same customer? I dunno, personally I wouldn’t even consider one of those, I feel it’s a teenagers car, the Z or Supra tho 👌
It’s a totally different target audience. The 86 BRZ is a tuner car, built on the fact the manufacturer knows buyers will ADD on parts, engine wise, suspension, body kits etc hence the low affordable prices. The Z is done, add a bit extra and you’re set.
Great review. I agree with most everything.; my friend bought one and was he underwhelmed (and I was as well) by the total package. He traded his in on an M2, after he drove mine. You need to have more for that price point, especially when you can spend 10k more and get something head and shoulders better.
The new Z is probably the rot lot king by now. I saw one on the streets since they came out. $50k is crazy, you can buy a older GT-R for $60 ish. Just insane.
I think if this car was priced in the mid 40s it would be very competitive. Whats holding it back is it’s built on an aging platform, Nissan’s image as a brand has been declining in recent years, and there’s too many better options for $50-60k
What is aging about the platform? I feel people just say this stuff to say this stuff. It's double wishbone front and multi-link rear, you don't even get that in a Cayman? Is it the rigidity? What's the rigidity of the platform and what is the rigidity of the "new platform" you're comparing it to? If "new" is all it took to make a car good then no one would be interested in driving old cars. I think they missed the ball on this car because they didn't take their tuning seriously.
@@hamsterbrigade It’s built on Nissan/Infiniti’s FM platform which debuted in 2001. That’s a loooong time. Chassis rigidity, weight, and crash absorption have come a long way in almost 2.5 decades. 2 of those 3 things definitely have an effect on performance and how a car feels.
@@GolfCoyote You didn't actually answer any of my questions with numerical data. What "exactly" is aging about the platform as in: "I know actual numbers and comparative information." I feel you're all just regurgitating a standard line everyone says about a car if a reporter tells you they didn't "update" the platform. This is the same thing people did with the IS500. I'd bet hard money if I put 90+% of people in a revised car they wouldn't be able to tell me if it's a "aging platform" or not. I have an s2000 that chassis is still phenomenal and that car was designed in the 90s. That was built way before they could take a prior generation chassis and spooge adhesives and extra spot welds all over it to make it more stiff.
@@hamsterbrigade how can I quantify something they havnt done yet? Once they update the platform I’ll give you whatever information you want about improvements. My point was that technology advances quickly and this car in particular is competing against cars that are, as a whole, a lot newer which is just one reason why I think it’s asking too much money.
The base price of the sport is mid 40s. If you are to look at manual only transmission offerings for a new RWD cars what choices do you have under 50k? GR86? Mustang GT?
First off the dealers in my area of Wisconsin have yet to have one to test drive. Is that the dealerships mistake or Nissans mistake? I own a 2011 370z with minor mods which I like a lot. Since dealerships seem to not want the new z platform where I live I'm better off installing a Z1 supercharger package or Z1 Turbo package. Things I'd like to know on the new Z are how the steering wheel which is now adjustable feels when moved closer to me. Is it more relaxed feeling on the upper body due to a more bent arm than straight arming the wheel. Surprised that no reviewers ever mentioned that they like moving the wheel or even noticed it. It was a big complaint with 370z's that you couldn't adjust the wheel. I'd also would like to feel how the increase in torque changes the drive for the better. Feeling the 400 horsepower better is because of the increase in torque. Maybe I can test one out during the tenth anniversary edition at my local dealership. LOL HaHa.
Agree, its too expensive to start with and by the time you spent all the money and the hassle to make all the mods this reviewer recommends it makes no sense
Its selling somewhere. I work at Nissan. I have one i built on the way to me, but it had been delayed a couple of times due to the demand, meaning they needed them at the dealership first.
Base 370 started at 30k. starting at 42k was already too expensive for a car with affordability in its ethos. Adding up to 20k on adm basically was nail in the coffin. I'm sure these will be sought after car in 20 years though.
@@johnsullivan8673 base 370z price back in 2016 was $29k. Average car prices back in 2016 was $35k. so that makes base 370z just under 20% cheaper than market average. Average car price in 2023 is $47k, while base z was priced at $42k, which makes Z just around 11% cheaper than market average. So no, its still placed at higher price point, even if you take inflation into account. The gap gets bigger if you go up the trim, where Nismo back in 2016 was around $42k, and Nismo now starts at $66k.
@ sports cars are a smaller market today. Look at miata prices. Also, 370 started selling in 2008/2009 so by 2016, there isn’t much engineering cost to recover. The M2 in 2016 started at 52,700. M2 today starts at 65k. M2 is the highest volume M car and out sells the Z.
@johnsullivan8673 You just proved my point. 2016 M2 was 34% more than average car value, and 2024 it is 28%. So BMW actually set the price point lower than their previous model based on average market value, which makes it a good value considering inflation, and that explains the good sales numbers they are having. Miata is also a good deal compared to the average inflation rate for other cars on the market. And this is what I am saying, while cars like M2 and Miata stayed within price point of their previous model's, Z outgrew it to start competing with models that used to be in the higher price point. That reduces the sale due to people's perception of brand value.
Former 370Z owner . . . why is this not selling? Price is one factor. But another is the awkward styling. Nissan wanted to update 240Z styling but missed the mark. It just looks odd.
I originally wanted this car so bad when it was announced was in love with the retro-modern design. I'd be on the phone with the dealer every month waiting for it to come in but kept getting jerked around with how much I'd be willing to pay over MSRP which I was not willing to entertain. Finally when the one I never cared for with yellow paint came in almost a year later aka the "PROTO" (omg yellow paint so special) they wanted $120k. I immediately went and bought the CT4 Blackwing at MSRP and got a much better and more practical car with no BS. I'm so glad I didn't get the Z now knowing it comes with such a soft suspension and worse manual transmission. Would've spent way too much on this little toy car to get it where I want to be.
Those are very different car designs. The Cadillac is more for a person who also may need to transport kids to soccer practice. And my bet is that both the Z and Supra will be less costly after warranties expire. GM's reliability, sadly, has been sub-par.
@@davepaturno4290 I disagree with you. First of all the CT4 has much better track times than the Z performance and even beats the Z nismo. The CT4 Blackwing is an updated version of the ATS-V which has proven to be very reliable even with tuning mods for the last 10 years. Only issue was a timing chain in the first few years of production which they later fixed. Also it is actually a compact size car making it the perfect size for pretty much anyone. Having four doors is way better for practicality and also lowers insurance costs.
@GeronimoBiggles Well, I've owned Corvettes for too many years to ever trust GM to make anything that can match Toyota/Lexus and Mazda reliability. Think your car is reliable? Keep it for ten or more years. I've always had both a multipurpose vehicle and a sportscar. Of course, my favorite was always the sportscar, particularly with the ability to drive with no roof over my head. It's a feeling that is unlike anything else on a curvy country road on a beautiful day. No fixed roof sedan can match the feeling. Someday, I hope you some day rent a lightweight convertible sportscar like a Miata. It will set you free AND go forever on a small tank of gas.
I would've thought this would be a great car. I love the look. But you make an excellent point on not seeing them around cities. I don't think I've seen even one out on the road in the Phoenix area.
I think that the Z is a decent car, but it probably should've been priced a bit lower. It would've been a lot more well received had it been priced at 40k for the top trim. At 50k for the performance trim, you can get into a Supra, a GT350, a ZL1, an M2 Comp... some real heavy hitters against a car that's basically a parts bin reskin. I just don't understand how they thought that this car was a good idea.
It's a nicer styled 370z with twin turbos and a manual trans... How is that not a good idea? Not one of the cars you mentioned besides the Supra is a competitor to the price/age of the Z.
@@Desert_Spec if im being real, cars that arent in the same segment id rather buy is GR corolla, typeR, typeS, or hell even tlx typeS. I have a bunch of jdm car friends and no one has said they want the 400z. We all rather own the other jdm cars, idk if its looks or what but maybe price is part of it also
@@Desert_Spec The Supra is selling for the same price, is lighter and far better built. There really is no comparison. If Nissan wanted to be competitive, they should have dropped the price tag by 10k. It's absurd they thought they could sell something that's a parts bin from previous gens for this price.
@@hoppeanofasgard1365 You do realize the Supra is a parts bin car too right? Everything underneath the Toyota facade has a BMW logo on it and the B58 is just as old as the VR30DDTT. Toyota can afford to sell the Supra cheap considering they only accounted for 10% of the car's development and even then its still 13k USD more expensive than the Z (Car&Driver). The Z's price is already impressive considering the Z is all Nissan's responsibility. Sure, a 5k discount would be even better but 10k cheaper would make it the same price as a Civic Touring...
Seems like a Camaro/Mustang tier car for almost the price of a base Corvette, and it's still basically a facelifted 370Z. Maybe it's just a false perspective, but it doesn't seem like a very good value for money. Maybe that's enough to turn people off.
@@30hours51 I wouldn't pay that much for a vehicle though. I drive a 2019 Nissan Rogue with a decent 4 banger in it. It was around 23K, I got it when prices were up. It had 50K miles when I got it, and now it has 88K miles. regular maintenance and front brake pads. Oil change package thrown in when I got it, so I never pay for them. I had it for 2 years and my other wheels are a 1999 Corolla LE with 180K miles. Runs good, even the paint is good, but it's white so a boring color. But that's it might spend like 28K on a vehicle but still like looking at the sports cars.
To this date (October 27, 2024) I haven’t seen a single one of these on the road. I did see one at a car show before it was released. It’s crazy. I still see a lot of the old ones.
@@lucky1206I think Subaru is BRZ. It’s not as many that i saw, But it’s well respected in the community. The same one with Toyota is GR86 which is very common. Probably more common than a Miata. Step up after that is Toyota GR supra which also is very common.
I pulled up beside one 3 weeks ago at night and was not impressed by the sound. My 07' Z33 with high flow cat, custom exhaust, ported upper manifold \ plenum had more weebos. I haven't even tuned the car yet.
Nissan did screw the roll out, they were advertising them with Eugene Levy behind the wheel (odd choice), I got excited I went to the dealer to get on a list. Dealer said "what list!?" They had no idea when they would get one, at first I thought they were being jerks (they were but not about the Z, as they really didn't know)... a full 18 months later after I talked to sales guy that wasn't a jerk I got a call that they'd call me when one came in. They did, I asked about markup, and they said about $20k over, by then I had a fun car I liked and wasn't going to be squeezed, about a month later they called again to say "markup has been removed." The car still sat on the showroom, I did sit in it. The first thing I noticed that was "wrong" was that you couldn't adjust the seat-back recline easily, and I don't have huge hands. The car they had was a white automatic which neither the color or transmission was of interest to me.
@ I went to the dealer for my Ariya and the interior looked a bit plain for the hype. I thought it would be more luxurious for coming out with the Z again but nope. Hard plastic and basic interior.
@@fj06carnone They marked them up when hype was high...now that all the hype has lessened they took the markups off...but everyone went out and bought something else or lost interest.
some manual transmission engines, the tuning, depending on how rich exhaust gasses are, can actually have an rpm surger when you clutch in. it's an emissions tuning decision to help keep the unburnt hydrocarbon levels down.
I bought the Sport trim level and just slapped an LSD in it from Z1. Saved money. I do absolutely love mine. with the exception of my first car, the cars I had before my Z were a 2008 Pontiac G8 GT and a 2020 Dodge Challenger R/T. So to me, the RZ34 feels very much like a sports car. Compared to my last two performance vehicles (especially the challenger) this thing is sharp and balanced. It's all a matter of perspective. I can't speak for the transmission, as this is the first manual I've ever owned. But if I could teach myself how to drive it on the way home from the dealership while only stalling once (on a hill, mind) it can't be terrible. Do I think it is the ultimate sports car? nah. I can daily this thing without much complaint so it's not that hardcore. I managed to get mine just under MSRP because the dealership was desperate to sell as they were 11 cars behind quota at the end of the month, so they decided to honor a discount I had from my company even though they didn't have to. But checking online yeah the prices were marked up so high for so long by dealerships that they have poisoned people's perception of this car. I do intend to extensively modify mine once i'm finished paying it off in 3 years. Z1 looks like they have comprehensive packages or I could piecemeal it. Who knows.
Great commentary during the drive. Oodles of useful details, without annoying music or excessive editing. Like the old Chris Harris videos, but on turbo.
I actually lived next to a neighbor not too long ago that bought one of these. I currently drive a 21 3.0 Supra, so I was curious on his thoughts about why he bought a Z for $50k. In short he enjoys how different it is compared to any other sports car on the road for the price point, (styling wise). Sure you rarely see Supras, but you never see these Z’s. I think it’s really targeted towards a Niche audience that wants a clean looking car that gets it’s job done. But outside of seeing people buying these just to be “different”, I really don’t understand why you’d choose this over so many other cars that give way more value for your money.
I think lifelong z fans like me wouldn’t consider anything else. I think it’d sell better if people actually saw them. A lot of people don’t follow the magazines and blogs and just buy stuff that “looks cute”. It’s only recently that I actually saw one at a dealer.
@@dejoreljackson1787 I totally get that. Z’s have never been my thing, but I understand why people love them. After seeing one in person I will say they are good looking cars.
Did you see the shifter moving around? The drive train is not mounted stiff enough imo. Those bushings are gonna wear out and cause big problems down the road.
Crazy huh. Even the base GR86 has an LSD. Sports car should come with one standard at $45K, also, no auto rev match for track use for your $45K. Nissan has 5-6 months to slash these prices. They're already in so much financial trouble.
Because the fans actually want a Sylvia replacement. Lighter, newer, more affordable FR sports car. Something that reminds them of their 240SX. The 370Z is just a refresh wrapped in a more expensive package and the motor from the Inifnity Q50 I beleive.
I saw two for sale in a dealership near Omaha about two months ago. I’m pretty sure one was offered at about $75k and the other was about $85k. There’s now way in the world that makes sense to me
Insane. My local dealer only has a couple, and it's always automatics. I don't even bother driving the three minutes to go look at them. Not worth my time.
I had a 350Z and loved it. Also had and loved Infiniti G37S. Was looking forward to Z but got a Porsche Boxster, used but GREAT for the price of this. I have only ever seen one on the road. Overpriced and underwhelming by the look of it. Great review.
As a owner of 2 Z32s I learned these cars are some of the hardest to work on. Got to pull the engine to change the oil pan gasket. So I wouldn't buy a Z34. Can't change turbos unleess you pull the engine. Mitsubishi 3000GT was easier to work on and didn't require engjne removal to change a oil pan or turbos. Turbos also have gaskets that can leak coolant and oil causing overheating. So maintaince on a turbo car is a big deal.
$54k for performance is just not it when Mustang GT and Supra exist for similar pricing and are faster the NISMO not having a manual is stupid when its closest competitors all have a manual and are CHEAPER in some cases. the Z is the best looking car in the segment IMO but Nissan really screwed up the pricing for this car for what could have been a proper Z revival
Best looking car in segment? Z was and always is an ugly ass car. It's literally only bought by young men trying to have a "sports car", and poor people trying to get into modding to act like they made a super car beater.
@@resulnaki idk man i like 240z, and this reminds me a lot of them. Is there anything wrong with people with not a ton of money looking to have fun? Or should everyone only aim for Ferraris?
@@ShaiyanHossain there is nothing wrong with that, but there are many cars you can do that with. Zs are just ugly cars. Ferrari? Lol aim for Porsche at least, Ferrari is a joke currently.
So a $55k car in CA after taxes and fees would exceed $60k then you add another $5k for suspension parts and other expenses to make it better? There are better cars out of the box aren’t there at this price point? Then you look at the used market and the justification for this car becomes less appealing. If you really like this car then just keep it stock and enjoy it as a GT, don’t try to make it what it was not designed for.
I bought a black performance model & I absolutely Love it! My prior Z was a 370Z nismo tech which I thought handled better and kept your gut feeling like it was part of the road. I miss that feeling in the new Z but disagree with you that the car isn't good. I see a supra around here in Philly maybe once a month or 2. I don't like the way they look. I wouldn't buy 1 if it would have been $10K less than my Z.
The market was also turning interest rates % were skyrocketing, so people would have astronomical payments! That also with the highest markups in history on a car with a 15 year old chassis
What confuses me about Nissan's decision making is how the car with the handling dynamics I am looking for is the only one that doesn't get the manual transmission. Between the stick versions being too soft and underbraked while also having massive dealer markups ran me off. If manufacturers got dealers under control with that, more of these would have moved.
People need to stop talking about markups. Its no longer 2022-2023. Some brand new 2024 models are selling under MSRP. Sport models $40k-45k Performance models $47k-$54k. Heck even C8 Z06 are selling under MSRP.
Recently picked up a GR Supra, the Z wasn’t even on my radar because the Supra just felt one generation newer than the Nissan Z. Stock for stock, the Supra is almost superior in every way: Powertrain, handling, cornering capability, clutch-based rear diff, etc.
@@Nismo1983 The vast majority of potential buyers are not modders. If you're a manufacturer, and you want your new car to succeed with big sales numbers, it had better appeal to regular folk in its stock form.
I love this car. I think it's the best-looking sports car on the market for anywhere near the price. Mr. K always meant for the Z to be a GT sports car. This is exactly what he had in mind.
No one is buying them because B58 and S58. Hopefully I can get a G87 M2 someday. If not that, then at least an F22 M240i. I'm at a bad point in my life right now though.
I would get the base model immediately swap a shorter FD and add an clutch or even helical LSD and LW flywheel it'll completely change modern Zs personality
Every potential owner of this car already owned a comfortable gt car with the same engine in the form of the infiniti q50/60. Dont need another comfortable faux luxury car. It needed to be an affordable and value packed performance car with maybe nicer limited trims.
I think they just cut too many corners and didn’t execute as well as Toyota and BMW did with the Supra. This was like the “yeah well this one is all ours with no help!” response attempt, but it shows in bad ways. It may be a better priced option, but if I could only afford this one and not the Supra I’d probably just choose something different altogether.
I didn’t buy one because the dealer experience sucks, not to mention the dealer mark up. Then the car itself was not that impressive compared to the competition
Why would the 2024 Nissan Z Performance be softly sprung?!? And the rev hang is there to improve emissions but are either of these the mark of a "performance" sports car?
The 350Z is still my favorite. I feel like the design and car just seem to get bigger and bigger. But I guess with regulations, easier to throw more power behind a heavier car than to go lighter and make a true sports car. I was seriously looking to buy one, but the reviews all say the same. Good to great GT car, needs suspension mods. $50k can get you a lot of used sports cars still. And I would rather have the new GR86/BRZ over this especially when factoring in price.
Regulations are killing the Z… exhaust is smaller to be complaint in CA. RPM surge with clutch for better emissions. Increased weight so the power is justified to the EPA… Using thin oil to meet EPA… not being able to sell in the EU. Also talks are that in Japan the z might not be able to continue as it’s “too loud” something regarding a 71 Db date or something along those lines.
I know transmissions move around... but man that shifter is alllll over the place. its like the transmission is attached to the suspension and not the unibody
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Great to hear your thoughts. I felt similarly after driving the base version, the amount of potential it had was insane. I think if Nissan dialed in the the throttle, suspension and steering out of the box, it would have fared better on the market. I didn’t buy one because it would have taken a decent amount of money to make it into the car that I wanted. I feel like a lot of others felt the same way (and it’s not like the market for a new sports car is huge anyway)
Yup those 3 things need to be addressed. It's tuned far too much like a GT, which isn't necessarily bad but doesn't align with what potential customers want. I'm itching to try one with quality coilovers and a light flywheel/tune. Total cost at that point would be on par with a GR Supra 3.0.
Huh? That’s like saying if they improved every aspect of a car that makes it a sports car then it would have been actually good
@@Zygrene Yeah, that might be too much to justify against the Supra, but if you could manage to find someone with a modified Z, that would be a cool comparison to make if you could get ahold of a Stock Supra press car!
@@orangejuice-xi3gt It’s more like saying the fundamentals were good, the execution was botched🥴
@@Realistick But it sounds like the base is exactly what you'd want? $10k to put in your own limited slip, coilovers, wheels/tires and an aftermarket seat that fits you? Probably a little left over for a tune or chassis or sway bar.
The dealers killed this car.
How?
@@pab3783When it first came out, lack of inventory and dealers wanted $15k+ markup on these cars. This went on for 2 years. There are some selling without ADM, but they still slap on added accessories. The emotional drive to buy this car pretty much died with people more worried about inflation than buy a car that costs more than a Supra or V8 Mustang.
@@pab3783markups, I used to work for a Nissan dealer doing photography and the z I shot was 80k with a markup. Sad thing is it was the auto. Still don’t understand why this car gets hate tho, people really need to drive one first before writing it off
@@pab3783 marked them up way too much
No, they didn't.
Nissan trying to sell a twenty year old platform for 50k plus dealer markup is what killed this car.
People talk about old cars feeling the best but when a company refined it to be faster and better than the previous generation there is tons of hate?
@@wheraboo5013 "faster" come on man...
@@wheraboo5013it's not faster because you call people haters. It's NOT faster as a fact. If you want one, then get your parents or SO to pay out the ass for this ugly ass car. Tech advances, yes. I get that. Going another 20k more on the price tag is what is even more insane.
@@wheraboo5013 old cars like the 90s lightweight turbo cars with few electronics,
Z is outdated, 370z ran 4 years too long, Nissan is lost in the sauce
@@702TifosiGambler 90s we’re a different time, sports cars themselves were at a peak, but not every car was light, Supra mk3, 300z just to name a few.
You can get a WRX for less than half the price and drop about $2000 on it and have nearly comparable horse power, all wheel drive, and a usable back seat.
Subaru was not doing so well. They offered WRX to have 5 years with 0% deal this summer.
@@YuShawStang The new ones are practically camrys
@@f4wnz132 I think Camry having a better look than WRX
@@YuShawStang I can't disagree with that.
$600 tune will get you there.
The price man the price man
Yup, price. 12-15k over priced. The Z has always been the budget friendly Sports car giving you a deal. MSRP is no deal compared to competitors. The top trim Z should be no more than 43k after sales tax.
Selling below MSRP at this point
And the dealer markup didn't help initial enthusiasm
the markups man, the markups
@@GearbhallBS, then why did everyone buy marked up Supras and Type Rs
insane dealer markup. who the fuck buys a Nissan for the price of a Corvette
The 300ZX is one of my favorite cars. I bought a new C8 2 months ago and never considered the current Z.
@@jasondueck9130 There's a maroon/burgundy low-mileage twin-turbo 300ZX in a showroom a mile from me.
They want $40k for it. If I had the extra money it could be a good investment. Drive it every now and then keep it indoors. Another 10 or 15 years and you could probably profit.
In my area, the Z is on sale at multiple dealerships for under $55K. C8 Vettes are listed for over $70K. Plus the C8 are ugly in my opinion, but I'm sure many will disagree. The C8 has more HPs, but the Z is plenty fast enough. But whatever. I wouldn't buy either.
@@JohnBowl14690 The Corvette is the absolute opposite of the Z though.
It's all new technology and design, a whole new platform.
The Z is old engineering and platform with a new face and insane pricing.
The Corvette is more than just more horsepower, it's mid-engine. Flat-plane V8 like a Ferrari would be. It's a "cheap" super car. I don't love the look of it, but I'd take it over the new Z any day.
Personally I love the C5.
@@drownthepoor - Point taken. I guess I would be more interested in a C8 if they got rid of that ugly rear end and did a few changes. To me, the C8 is close to looking awesome, but it doesn't for some reason. I just don't know why.
Back in the 1990's I sold new Nissans in addition to managing at a the same dealership for a few years. We honestly never sold very many of the 300z's back then, so it's not surprising they're not selling well. It's a lot of money for a small car and it seems everyone wants something bigger. That's just my opinion, I personally have always loved these cars.
The price jump from the 370z (increase of $20,000), the dealer markups and lack of inventory for awhile really killed interest.
370z mrsp was never $20k. They were in the $33k+ back in 2009. If you add in inflation, this new Z isn’t much different in price.
Lots around even at a discount where I live. Still not selling so it is something else. For me the lack of adaptive ride, 18 way leather seats, upgraded tech, manual on the Nismo. These are features of the M2 and others that are in the bracket.
@mperformance3502 $20,000 was the price difference not the price. Sorry if I worded that poorly, the 370z Sport with LSD was under $35k in 2019 and now the 2024 Z Performance is $20k more. It's had possibly the biggest price increase of any of the "inexpensive" sports cars lately.
@@mperformance3502 while I agree with that assessment, only pricing has risen with inflation, income really has not for a lot of people so it still feels like a substantial jump in price even if it can be explained away by inflation.
It's due to inflation. Totally reasonable. But a 45k corolla? Shit ur pants and throw a fit I can't believe toyota. The audacity
When dealerships marked them up to $85k+ all across the states, that's what killed the hype. I saw dealerships trying to sell them for $100k as well. Even now, a new one costs around $65k. You can buy a lightly used g82 M4 for $65k.
Not around North Carolina. They are discounted and still not selling so it is something else besides price and availability here.
@@Digiphex Even 60k is to much for this car, it's a Z for gosh sakes, not a damn Vette or Jaguar. And lets not forget no matter where you are in the country, dealers are not letting people test drive these things, and they have very little if any on their lots.
Ordering site unseen, is not something many like to do, especially sports car enthusiasts.
$100K USD is insane
@@Digiphex must be the NO SERVICE after the sale.
@@Digiphex buyers are gone, migrated to other brands.
I bought my Z (2023 manual in blue) earlier this year, payed below sticker price, treat and enjoy it as a GT car not a sports car and love it, the naysayers are missing out. Do I have some gripes? sure! but I've had gripes with every car I've owned and despite all shortcomings I am blatantly aware of this car manages to put one hell of a smile on my face every time I drive it. :p
@onlytheghosts Will do boss 😉why the passive aggressive?
It doesn't take long on Instagram or whatever to see why I don't want to be a "car guy" that's hardly an insult my fiend
I'm a "car enthusiast" with a heavy bias towards Nissan, talk about burning money on a 20 year old Nissan I bought my 180sx after Covid 😂not to mention all the parts I've been buying for it.
I cannot put into words how little I care about my Z's chassis not being something bespoke, I love my facelift 370 bro, they made it look so good and gave it twin turbos! the parts availability is also awesome being an existing chassis and engine and yes while the sticker price and dealer price hikes in the USA are total BS I didn't pay sticker, so why the fuss?
@@Jubbs0100
Nissan will always have a special place in my heart. Would love to own this Z, but definitely will never have the cash to buy it. Enjoy it man, it's the end of an era for JDM, and I feel like the new Z is at least still Nissan in heritage. I think resale on these will be strong for years
It really looks good as sports car 🚘 but nowadays a lot of younger people really don’t know how to drive a stick shift, they don’t how fun it’s to shift and use a clutch
It's a rwd sexy af looking with 400hp and a manual, it can not be a bad car lol, don't listen to the people
@@LeoMkII sadly I think car "culture" has/is killing the car industry as much as regulation and greed. I don't know whether it's a generational thing or what, but people seem to have lost perspective on what the essence of driving fun is. I will take a very basic interior, with very modest mod-cons, an aggressive/eye pleasing exterior paired with a manual transmission and a reliably powerful and responsive engine any day (300hp is more than enough!). Preferably RWD but Honda have shown FWD can be just as fun.
There's a reason the Koenigsegg CEO drives a 90s MX-5 as his daily.
Driving is an experience, it's a bond between man and machine. Clarkson once said something along those lines
I was so hyped for this car in 2021
2024 and I have only seen 1 on the road ever.
Not one single car but apparently Canada has a bunch in their inventory. But it’s insane to have a Nissan z car going as high as $90,000 cad
Dealer selling this for 70k in south Florida😂😂😂 Nissan dealer is crazy
Saw one the other day, it’s very rare nobody has it
@@SkyNetGeneral- I never thought this car would flop it all looked and sounded so good it’s so sad
Just saw one sitting in a parking lot just now. Decided to check out this video afterwards.
The problems with this car are endless. The 400Z is a modified 370z chassis, the 370z chassis is a modified 350z chassis. This is a 20+ year old platform. The engine is a slightly tweaked redsport engine, 6 years old at time of launch. The entire car is a parts bin with the exception of the head/tail lights. At launch dealers were asking 5-10k over sticker. The community swore this was going to be a Supra killer, even the NISMO is slower in every way. It's not that it's a bad car per se, but barely anything about it is new or worth 45-60k.
I don’t think any of that was a problem except the dealer markups. It has a viable chassis and motor, hell the R35 and 911 chassis are just tweaked over time also, “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, just improve on it” Hell if they brought back the s-series chassis I don’t think anyone would bitch!
Th chassis isn’t the problem. It’s still ridged, balanced, and weighs exactly what it should given the dimensions. Sports car chassis design hasn’t changed much in the last 20 years. Supercars on the other hand have evolved a lot over that period of time chassis wise.
No one in the community thought this would be a Supra killer. We all knew the powertrain and chassis going into it. However, people were excited for a truly Japanese alternative with a manual.(which Supra didn’t offer at the time). I still ended up going Supra for all the reasons you mentioned.
@@Superdimensional Nissan is not Porsche, and the way they build the Z does not mirror the philosophy of Porsche. Nissan is controlled by accountants, Porsche is controlled by engineers. The decisions made along the way are not comparable
@@brianbohnet1907But Porsche hasn’t changed its car design since its inception example Bugatti VW Lamborghini Audi same old designs from the 20th century
bro ur killin it with those camera changes😆
Lol
a great tuning platform is $20k, not $60k. All those car modifying companies from the 90's are gone because they realized most car guys have no money.
then explain the 153132131 vw/bmw tuners out there lmao
… and the car guys with money buy Porsches, McLarens, Superformance Cobras, or Lotuses. Corvettes have also always been “great tuning platforms”. A built C7 manual Grand Sport with all the Katech and DSC Sport engine and suspension bits is about the fastest RWD NA manual canyon carver you can get, and even the coupes have targa tops, all for under 6 figures even new. New Z06s are ridiculous too, 95% of the fun of a 458 Spyder for less than half the price, and with twice the reliability. Plenty of great track day cars out there these days too if you want something spicier than a Miata, which are also still fantastic and some of the most fun you can have new under $30k.
This right here. Gone are the days of 80s,90s, and early 00 JDM import tuners. Cars sold today are not sold barebones with respectable internals/platforms. Look at this one. A $60k+ vehicle that, off the lot, doesn't speak the language the target market does. Those folks wanna tune, tinker, and have fun. No one is chopping up a $60,000 car for the sake of enthusiasm. Those guys who have the $ go out and buy supreme performance vehicles (see: luxury) not a Japanese car with retro yearnings of yesteryear.
It's not profitable anymore to sell a tuner for $20,000.
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People were eager, willing and able to buy this car. They waited and waited... then, only few were offered. But offered at a very high price.... over priced. We were told at the beginning what this car would be and at what price. But then the dealerships started to take advantage and abuse the customers with high markups.
That's the consequence of all of that...
Despite all the hate, every-time i see this car on the road it makes me aww, looks beautiful the whole design.
The price. The Z needs to be cheaper than the Camaro, Mustang, and Challenger in order to sell. They made it more expensive. They made their bed now they must lay in it.
The price is a result of your import tax. "They" didn't make it expensive. It's YOUR politicians.
Why? It has rwd and 400hp.
Thats why NIssan is going under.
@@hadtocheathimtobeathim6549you could buy a 5.0 mustang for 42k and spend the remaining 8-18k on mods. You'd be waaaaay faster than 400hp
@@hadtocheathimtobeathim6549 because the Mustang and Camaros beat it in every category. They're selling it for more than PP2 and SS 1le prices and its not even close in performance. You can't even say its more practical
The price you mentioned is ABSURD given how strong the dollar is to the yen now. These should be 40k with the perf package, TOPS
Agreed 100%. $40k for a performance version would maybe put me in one despite having that ugly front end.
@@4drturbo85 you can get basically the same thing if you buy a used Infiniti Q50 or Q60 redsport and the infiniti looks 100 times better than the nissan z
They should be 32k honestly lol
@Freerider93 Nah, maybe in like 2014. Inflation is a bitch
This is a big brain comment. Japan's Yen has collapsed, boosting their profits significantly at the end of each fiscal year, when they convert their results into Yen. Furthermore, Japan is a country that is often in deflation the last 20+ years--meaning their costs are stagnant, or even decreasing in many years!!! They see USA as their profit donkey, no other way to explain it.
I own a 1972 Datsun 240z. When this new Z car came out I was super excited to buy one. Went to the dealer and as soon as I saw the $100k dealer MARKUP I told them to F-off and haven't gone back..
They have 9 Zs in my town dealership. All are $56,000..
That is an beyond ridiculous price. I cud buy a mustang V8 for much less.
Does nissan want to go bankrupt??
I had a '72 "Datsun" in '72. Fun cheap little car, but I lived near the ocean, and it was starting to rust out in 2 years!
Do you mean ford?
They can absolutely pound sand, this car shouldn’t be more than 40k
@@myrontepe4723 Japan is 13 trillion in debt. They need Russia to give their Kiril islands back which is rich in oil.
1- Dealer Markups
2- BMW Supra is superior
3- Other costs (Insurance Costs, high apr, etc.).
4- Other more affordable alternatives even with markups (Type R, GR Corolla, etc.).
Supra is way superior, almost as if using BMW is cheating when you use their drivetrain.
Anyways, if you have the supra side by side with the 400z and you ignore the price tags, drivetrains, and performance. All you have is looks, or exterior design. The supra looks way more exotic, way more exciting, and lighter weight. Just the looks alone fades the 400z away. The 400z just doesn't look exciting, or that cool.
@@abrahamg3354 Take the 400Z and dro pthe price to 38K and I'd bet they would sell.
@@metalmike570 I agree, pricing in the 30s range would be a great deal for what you get. I would only get the nismo because the front end looks cleaned up more.
@@abrahamg3354 It looks great.
Agree on #2, but I’m biased
Hey, I got an idea. Strip it down and put an replica Aventador body on top. That will sell fast!
I tried to buy one last week. 15k in dealer fees brought it to over 80k(Canadian), bad financing rates on top considering they don't sell any and still advertise 2023 models. I walked.
I still remember when it first came out a local dealer in Vancouver Canada had a launch edition on the showroom floor already sold to a collector. The sales told me it was part of the deal to let them display the car for a bit before the customer could take it home. He also said they were trading for well over USD100K. I walked too.
That’s crazy, this thing should be 65k Canadian out the door, tops
Come to the US, lots under MSRP
Dealers around Vancouver offer them at for 4K below MSRP on their web site. I think an in-between trim would have been a good idea, the 10K jump is just too much. So far I have only ever seen one Z in traffic and the few times I visited dealerships they did not have any. So no wonder they are not around, high price for the upper trims and no availability.
@@FlexRogersI have a client that bought a NISMO version Over 80k CAD! . I could not believe what he paid for it. Also the platform itself is pretty ancient even with revisions. The engine I didnt find to be anything special either. Im not exactly a Mustang fan but the GT Performance Pack is over 20k cheaper at list prices…
Overpriced on a 22 year old platform with a 10 year old power plant.
Toyota is picking their lips
Yes, this.
@@terryhallahan4399 Toyota sucks too as far as their Supra. Its overhyped and overpriced as well. During the Covid crap the car manufacturers and dealers were riding high off the govt tit and now that is gone and they still think they can demand these prices. 😂
Don't see these on the roads at all. Was interested when they first came out, but dealer mark-ups were crazy. Nowadays would look to a Supra or Mustang GT.
These look tired and boring compared to the competition. Nissan is a stale brand.
Supra all day, and I don't say that easily because I actually like the look of the Z more, but there's just to many advantages to the Supra over the Z for me to say otherwise.
I drive a semi truck for a living and the only one I've seen was one thay was being hauled to a dealership. I've never seen one on the road and I drive all over the US.
As a UPS driver, I have only seen one since release date. I live in LA county
@@ztotheu2974 - Nissan is kind of stale, but I'd still pick this car over a C8 Vette. These are currently listed for $53K in my local area. I happen to like the looks of this car better than the Supra and definitely better than the Mustang.
No one is paying 80k for a Z. Dealers are out of control 😂
There’s plenty of performance Zs under MSRP. TF you talking about
@@19hundoc47depends on the area
@@19hundoc47 Yup. There are three Z's at my local dealer. Two are under MRSP. They've all been sitting there for over a year.
You can get a Tesla M3 performance that will dust this thing for less.
I wouldn't even pay over $40k for one
Anyone buying this cat at MSRP is a fool. Brand new 2024s are available near me for 2-4 thousand below MSRP.
my theory - Nissan has damaged their brand so much in the past decade that no one cares for them anymore and the 400Z is a casualty of that. feel bad for the engineers but Nissan made their bed
Please explain
Too many CVT failures
It's a parts bin car.. 350/370 chassis + q60 red sport motor + 6spd manual.. they did what they could with what they had.. Toyota had to go into bed with two other manufacturers to make their sports cars.. If this car was priced to top out at like $40-45k USD, it'd be a much more compelling buy.. but there's just too much on the used market in that price range that I'd rather spend my money on.. Hell, you could get 2-3 cars, if you wanted to, with a new Z budget..
wdym? all they've done is given us the r35 and z34 this past decade
@@dre32pitt Yes thats how it's always worked. Used cars are better deals than new cars. This is nothign new. For the price of a $25k corolla you can get two used corollas. Yes.
what Killed this ?
IT IS DEALERSHIPS FAULT
they added Markups bringing prices to $60k even $70k for a Performance that was supposed to be in the 40s.
i've seen Nismo's priced at $90k...
what do you expect???
My dealer gave zero info on when they would get one. They finally called me to say they had one, initially saying $20k markup. I didn't even go look when it arrived. Then about 40 days later they called and said "mark-up off." White car with automatic, I wasn't interested in either part of that combination. Now they have two sitting for sticker.
I live in the 4th largest city and have never seen one around town except on the dealership lots. I had to re-watch the video. Did they actually use interior bits from the previous generation?
If you need to spend another 3-4k on suspension then it’s not a good car
I hear you but some folks are incapable of leaving a car stock, even if it's great from the factory. Definitely a minority population though, which doesn't help the Z's case.
A lot of this could be solved by a decent set of springs. No need for 3k Nitrons/MCS lmao
What car in that price range wound not need Great aftermarket coilovers?
That's how these Z's always have been. Nissan gives you a decent GT car from the factory that's a blank canvas. Wait like 5-7 years from now when you can pick these up cheap and mod away. Just like the 350z and 370z is today. Decent when they were out but people picked them up for cheap used and made them into what they wanted...track car, drag car, drift car, show car, daily street car, takeover car (sigh),
if this car was 35k for base, it would fly off shelves and rebuild the bad name Nissan has esrned to a favorable one
The dealership canceled my allocation because I didn’t wanna pay the $30k over sticker at my local Nissan dealership, car sat in the showroom for months, I have only seen 5 cars on the road in the last 2 years. Everyone has lost interest in these cars.
100% At this point, the car doesn't even exist. Meanwhile, Z32's on Bring A Trailer are still fetching very strong prices.
You know you have the right to sue under Price Gouging Laws. While dealerships exist to make money the MSRP is what the manufacture suggests is a good starting point for negotiating for both the consumer and the dealership and it's almost double what the dealership actually pays for the car.
If you placed your deposit on it BEFORE the price gouging game that means you reserved a unit for yourself at the current price at the time, which I'm assuming was around the MSRP, which then adds bait and switch on top of the price gouging.
@@theINQBS you know you’re not obligated to buy a car, right? It’s easier to just walk away.
I think everyone has lost interest in getting screwed over by greedy dealer markups. The manufacturers are making some sweet cars, but the dealers are burying them with their greedy markups. Sad times for enthusiasts.
Tuning Platform. U nailed it. I would say the slow rev drop, is aiding in keeping the power up between shifts. Like when you rowed through the gears at around 7 minutes into the video. I think that is a very nice car, that probably appeals to women in stock form... and men when tuned and modded.
I literally have never even seen one in person!
I've seen 2 in two years and it may have been the same one.
Same here and I live in one of the biggest cities in the US.
The only time I've seen one is in person at a dealership when I was picking up parts.
I live in the city of San Diego, travel all over the whole county and have seen like 3. I see lambos and ferraris often and only three of these since they dropped lol
I'm in California, I have seen six Bugattis in the wild since this car released... But no Z
Same, before right now I didn't even know this was a vehicle..
As a Z fan it drives me nuts to say this but it’s out classed by the Supra for not a lot more and undercut on price by the gr86 which is also more fun. Ugh, Nissan…
GR86 looks Lower, Tighter and Sharper in person. A Coworker has a White One and it’s gorgeous in person.
Nissan is stale and boring all around.
@@MattWong117 you really think the GR86 is the same customer? I dunno, personally I wouldn’t even consider one of those, I feel it’s a teenagers car, the Z or Supra tho 👌
Not to mention you could have bought a Camaro SS 1LE for cheaper which handles better, is faster, sounds better, and better on a track.
It’s a totally different target audience. The 86 BRZ is a tuner car, built on the fact the manufacturer knows buyers will ADD on parts, engine wise, suspension, body kits etc hence the low affordable prices. The Z is done, add a bit extra and you’re set.
Great review. I agree with most everything.; my friend bought one and was he underwhelmed (and I was as well) by the total package. He traded his in on an M2, after he drove mine. You need to have more for that price point, especially when you can spend 10k more and get something head and shoulders better.
Never seen you before, but I dig you style of review.
The new Z is probably the rot lot king by now. I saw one on the streets since they came out. $50k is crazy, you can buy a older GT-R for $60 ish. Just insane.
For a brand new car though, well it's at least 7K too high.
I think if this car was priced in the mid 40s it would be very competitive. Whats holding it back is it’s built on an aging platform, Nissan’s image as a brand has been declining in recent years, and there’s too many better options for $50-60k
What is aging about the platform? I feel people just say this stuff to say this stuff. It's double wishbone front and multi-link rear, you don't even get that in a Cayman? Is it the rigidity? What's the rigidity of the platform and what is the rigidity of the "new platform" you're comparing it to? If "new" is all it took to make a car good then no one would be interested in driving old cars. I think they missed the ball on this car because they didn't take their tuning seriously.
@@hamsterbrigade It’s built on Nissan/Infiniti’s FM platform which debuted in 2001. That’s a loooong time. Chassis rigidity, weight, and crash absorption have come a long way in almost 2.5 decades. 2 of those 3 things definitely have an effect on performance and how a car feels.
@@GolfCoyote You didn't actually answer any of my questions with numerical data. What "exactly" is aging about the platform as in: "I know actual numbers and comparative information." I feel you're all just regurgitating a standard line everyone says about a car if a reporter tells you they didn't "update" the platform. This is the same thing people did with the IS500. I'd bet hard money if I put 90+% of people in a revised car they wouldn't be able to tell me if it's a "aging platform" or not. I have an s2000 that chassis is still phenomenal and that car was designed in the 90s. That was built way before they could take a prior generation chassis and spooge adhesives and extra spot welds all over it to make it more stiff.
@@hamsterbrigade how can I quantify something they havnt done yet? Once they update the platform I’ll give you whatever information you want about improvements. My point was that technology advances quickly and this car in particular is competing against cars that are, as a whole, a lot newer which is just one reason why I think it’s asking too much money.
The base price of the sport is mid 40s. If you are to look at manual only transmission offerings for a new RWD cars what choices do you have under 50k? GR86? Mustang GT?
First off the dealers in my area of Wisconsin have yet to have one to test drive. Is that the dealerships mistake or Nissans mistake?
I own a 2011 370z with minor mods which I like a lot. Since dealerships seem to not want the new z platform where I live I'm better off installing a Z1 supercharger package or Z1 Turbo package.
Things I'd like to know on the new Z are how the steering wheel which is now adjustable feels when moved closer to me. Is it more relaxed feeling on the upper body due to a more bent arm than straight arming the wheel. Surprised that no reviewers ever mentioned that they like moving the wheel or even noticed it. It was a big complaint with 370z's that you couldn't adjust the wheel.
I'd also would like to feel how the increase in torque changes the drive for the better. Feeling the 400 horsepower better is because of the increase in torque.
Maybe I can test one out during the tenth anniversary edition at my local dealership. LOL HaHa.
The bottom line is that $50K is way to much for a Z.
Agree, its too expensive to start with and by the time you spent all the money and the hassle to make all the mods this reviewer recommends it makes no sense
Maybe 38K and it'll sell.
Golf gti is 40k and is gay looking car compared to the Z
$33k is the better reasonable price.
The dealers jacking the prices up killed it. Just like the price jacking toyota is doing. It's how I wound up with a 22 BRZ no price jacking.
Yep. A BRZ is probably the best choice overall right now.
Its selling somewhere. I work at Nissan. I have one i built on the way to me, but it had been delayed a couple of times due to the demand, meaning they needed them at the dealership first.
Base 370 started at 30k. starting at 42k was already too expensive for a car with affordability in its ethos. Adding up to 20k on adm basically was nail in the coffin. I'm sure these will be sought after car in 20 years though.
Average new car transaction price reached a touch below 50k in the US. Affordable doesn’t mean what you think it means.
@@johnsullivan8673 base 370z price back in 2016 was $29k. Average car prices back in 2016 was $35k. so that makes base 370z just under 20% cheaper than market average. Average car price in 2023 is $47k, while base z was priced at $42k, which makes Z just around 11% cheaper than market average. So no, its still placed at higher price point, even if you take inflation into account. The gap gets bigger if you go up the trim, where Nismo back in 2016 was around $42k, and Nismo now starts at $66k.
@ sports cars are a smaller market today. Look at miata prices. Also, 370 started selling in 2008/2009 so by 2016, there isn’t much engineering cost to recover. The M2 in 2016 started at 52,700. M2 today starts at 65k. M2 is the highest volume M car and out sells the Z.
@johnsullivan8673 You just proved my point. 2016 M2 was 34% more than average car value, and 2024 it is 28%. So BMW actually set the price point lower than their previous model based on average market value, which makes it a good value considering inflation, and that explains the good sales numbers they are having. Miata is also a good deal compared to the average inflation rate for other cars on the market. And this is what I am saying, while cars like M2 and Miata stayed within price point of their previous model's, Z outgrew it to start competing with models that used to be in the higher price point. That reduces the sale due to people's perception of brand value.
Former 370Z owner . . . why is this not selling? Price is one factor. But another is the awkward styling. Nissan wanted to update 240Z styling but missed the mark. It just looks odd.
I personally rather have the 370z or 1987 300zx with pop up headlights
I personally rather have 370z pr 1987 300zx with pop up headlights
I think it looks kinda nice but def awkward on the front. Almost like the front and back don't match 😂
lets be polite, the 300z is beautiful, this is ugly and make me vomit🤮🤢🤢
Dude, the color is amazing!! Sounds like with some minor adjustments, it would be amazing!!
It's too expensive and greedy dealerships are marking these up with stupid market adjustments.
I originally wanted this car so bad when it was announced was in love with the retro-modern design. I'd be on the phone with the dealer every month waiting for it to come in but kept getting jerked around with how much I'd be willing to pay over MSRP which I was not willing to entertain. Finally when the one I never cared for with yellow paint came in almost a year later aka the "PROTO" (omg yellow paint so special) they wanted $120k. I immediately went and bought the CT4 Blackwing at MSRP and got a much better and more practical car with no BS. I'm so glad I didn't get the Z now knowing it comes with such a soft suspension and worse manual transmission. Would've spent way too much on this little toy car to get it where I want to be.
Bro ct-4 blackwings are sick af you made the right choice.
@bencarey243 thanks I'm loving it 👍🏼👍🏼
Those are very different car designs. The Cadillac is more for a person who also may need to transport kids to soccer practice. And my bet is that both the Z and Supra will be less costly after warranties expire. GM's reliability, sadly, has been sub-par.
@@davepaturno4290 I disagree with you. First of all the CT4 has much better track times than the Z performance and even beats the Z nismo. The CT4 Blackwing is an updated version of the ATS-V which has proven to be very reliable even with tuning mods for the last 10 years. Only issue was a timing chain in the first few years of production which they later fixed. Also it is actually a compact size car making it the perfect size for pretty much anyone. Having four doors is way better for practicality and also lowers insurance costs.
@GeronimoBiggles Well, I've owned Corvettes for too many years to ever trust GM to make anything that can match Toyota/Lexus and Mazda reliability. Think your car is reliable? Keep it for ten or more years. I've always had both a multipurpose vehicle and a sportscar. Of course, my favorite was always the sportscar, particularly with the ability to drive with no roof over my head. It's a feeling that is unlike anything else on a curvy country road on a beautiful day. No fixed roof sedan can match the feeling.
Someday, I hope you some day rent a lightweight convertible sportscar like a Miata. It will set you free AND go forever on a small tank of gas.
I would've thought this would be a great car. I love the look.
But you make an excellent point on not seeing them around cities. I don't think I've seen even one out on the road in the Phoenix area.
I have only ever seen 1 on the road and that was yesterday. Really cool looking car
I think that the Z is a decent car, but it probably should've been priced a bit lower. It would've been a lot more well received had it been priced at 40k for the top trim. At 50k for the performance trim, you can get into a Supra, a GT350, a ZL1, an M2 Comp... some real heavy hitters against a car that's basically a parts bin reskin. I just don't understand how they thought that this car was a good idea.
It's a nicer styled 370z with twin turbos and a manual trans... How is that not a good idea? Not one of the cars you mentioned besides the Supra is a competitor to the price/age of the Z.
@@Desert_Spec if im being real, cars that arent in the same segment id rather buy is GR corolla, typeR, typeS, or hell even tlx typeS. I have a bunch of jdm car friends and no one has said they want the 400z. We all rather own the other jdm cars, idk if its looks or what but maybe price is part of it also
@@Desert_Spec if we’re going by age the Z is competition with E46s & S197s.
@@Desert_Spec The Supra is selling for the same price, is lighter and far better built. There really is no comparison. If Nissan wanted to be competitive, they should have dropped the price tag by 10k.
It's absurd they thought they could sell something that's a parts bin from previous gens for this price.
@@hoppeanofasgard1365 You do realize the Supra is a parts bin car too right? Everything underneath the Toyota facade has a BMW logo on it and the B58 is just as old as the VR30DDTT.
Toyota can afford to sell the Supra cheap considering they only accounted for 10% of the car's development and even then its still 13k USD more expensive than the Z (Car&Driver).
The Z's price is already impressive considering the Z is all Nissan's responsibility. Sure, a 5k discount would be even better but 10k cheaper would make it the same price as a Civic Touring...
Seems like a Camaro/Mustang tier car for almost the price of a base Corvette, and it's still basically a facelifted 370Z. Maybe it's just a false perspective, but it doesn't seem like a very good value for money. Maybe that's enough to turn people off.
I just saw one at the dealer for 55K.
@@metalmike570at that point just get a Supra. Or a civic type r/gr corolla
@@30hours51 I wouldn't pay that much for a vehicle though. I drive a
2019 Nissan Rogue with a decent 4 banger in it. It was around 23K, I got it when prices were up. It had 50K miles when I got it, and now it has 88K miles. regular maintenance and front brake pads. Oil change package thrown in when I got it,
so I never pay for them. I had it for 2 years and my other wheels are a 1999 Corolla
LE with 180K miles. Runs good, even the paint is good, but it's white so a boring
color. But that's it might spend like 28K on a vehicle but still like looking at the sports cars.
Its nice to see 99% of people simply agree the price is the largest off-set here, and its so large it wont sell
Spot on. I’ve literally seen only 2 of these driving on the road this year, and I live in SoCal.
Live here too. I’ve seen one and I drive the freeways everyday. If they’re not selling here, there’s not selling anywhere.
Same here, seen like 2 on the road ever on SoCal freeways.
Yup. In So Cal and I saw one in the wild for the first time this year.
The rarest car zygrene has driven. 😜
How did they make it weigh so much?? Is the body made of lead?? The Supra is nearly 700lbs less.
this car in stock form is essentially a better 370z, but it cost almost 50k with tax
'm sticking with my 370. perfectly good car still
To this date (October 27, 2024) I haven’t seen a single one of these on the road. I did see one at a car show before it was released.
It’s crazy. I still see a lot of the old ones.
I hardly see the Toyota BRZ or whatever they are calling it now lol
@@lucky1206I think Subaru is BRZ. It’s not as many that i saw, But it’s well respected in the community. The same one with Toyota is GR86 which is very common. Probably more common than a Miata. Step up after that is Toyota GR supra which also is very common.
I pulled up beside one 3 weeks ago at night and was not impressed by the sound. My 07' Z33 with high flow cat, custom exhaust, ported upper manifold \ plenum had more weebos. I haven't even tuned the car yet.
Nissan did screw the roll out, they were advertising them with Eugene Levy behind the wheel (odd choice), I got excited I went to the dealer to get on a list. Dealer said "what list!?" They had no idea when they would get one, at first I thought they were being jerks (they were but not about the Z, as they really didn't know)... a full 18 months later after I talked to sales guy that wasn't a jerk I got a call that they'd call me when one came in. They did, I asked about markup, and they said about $20k over, by then I had a fun car I liked and wasn't going to be squeezed, about a month later they called again to say "markup has been removed." The car still sat on the showroom, I did sit in it. The first thing I noticed that was "wrong" was that you couldn't adjust the seat-back recline easily, and I don't have huge hands. The car they had was a white automatic which neither the color or transmission was of interest to me.
@ I went to the dealer for my Ariya and the interior looked a bit plain for the hype. I thought it would be more luxurious for coming out with the Z again but nope. Hard plastic and basic interior.
Awesome, comprehensive and insightful review, my G! Keep it up!!
Dealers are stopping buyers from purchasing them.
Lol, think about what you're saying.
@@fj06carnone They marked them up when hype was high...now that all the hype has lessened they took the markups off...but everyone went out and bought something else or lost interest.
You'll own nothing and be happy @@fj06carnone
By canceling pre order allocations they technically are…
some manual transmission engines, the tuning, depending on how rich exhaust gasses are, can actually have an rpm surger when you clutch in. it's an emissions tuning decision to help keep the unburnt hydrocarbon levels down.
Thanks for the comment. My 22 WRX surges every now and again when I clutch in while coming to a stop, I assume this is what's happening.
I bought the Sport trim level and just slapped an LSD in it from Z1. Saved money. I do absolutely love mine. with the exception of my first car, the cars I had before my Z were a 2008 Pontiac G8 GT and a 2020 Dodge Challenger R/T. So to me, the RZ34 feels very much like a sports car. Compared to my last two performance vehicles (especially the challenger) this thing is sharp and balanced. It's all a matter of perspective. I can't speak for the transmission, as this is the first manual I've ever owned. But if I could teach myself how to drive it on the way home from the dealership while only stalling once (on a hill, mind) it can't be terrible.
Do I think it is the ultimate sports car? nah. I can daily this thing without much complaint so it's not that hardcore. I managed to get mine just under MSRP because the dealership was desperate to sell as they were 11 cars behind quota at the end of the month, so they decided to honor a discount I had from my company even though they didn't have to. But checking online yeah the prices were marked up so high for so long by dealerships that they have poisoned people's perception of this car.
I do intend to extensively modify mine once i'm finished paying it off in 3 years. Z1 looks like they have comprehensive packages or I could piecemeal it. Who knows.
Great commentary during the drive. Oodles of useful details, without annoying music or excessive editing. Like the old Chris Harris videos, but on turbo.
I actually lived next to a neighbor not too long ago that bought one of these. I currently drive a 21 3.0 Supra, so I was curious on his thoughts about why he bought a Z for $50k.
In short he enjoys how different it is compared to any other sports car on the road for the price point, (styling wise). Sure you rarely see Supras, but you never see these Z’s. I think it’s really targeted towards a Niche audience that wants a clean looking car that gets it’s job done. But outside of seeing people buying these just to be “different”, I really don’t understand why you’d choose this over so many other cars that give way more value for your money.
I think lifelong z fans like me wouldn’t consider anything else. I think it’d sell better if people actually saw them. A lot of people don’t follow the magazines and blogs and just buy stuff that “looks cute”. It’s only recently that I actually saw one at a dealer.
@@dejoreljackson1787 I totally get that. Z’s have never been my thing, but I understand why people love them. After seeing one in person I will say they are good looking cars.
Rarely see Supra's? I see them almost every other day here in LA. The Z though is rare. Don't see them much.
@@Unicornpirate here in Oregon I maybe see a couple of them a week and I live near Portland.
@@UnicornpirateLiving in Miami I see loads of Supras, and many modified. I’ve only seen one Z, so far.
Did you see the shifter moving around? The drive train is not mounted stiff enough imo. Those bushings are gonna wear out and cause big problems down the road.
The dealer markup was insane. The base model would be a great car - but that open diff. I remember first reading that???? What the….
Weld that bit.
Crazy huh. Even the base GR86 has an LSD. Sports car should come with one standard at $45K, also, no auto rev match for track use for your $45K. Nissan has 5-6 months to slash these prices. They're already in so much financial trouble.
Great car. I would easily say the answer to the title is money. The price of the car is too much for the people who do want to buy it.
I'm glad I went with the 04 Honda Acura. It matches the retro interior and comes in right around a cool $4k.
Because the fans actually want a Sylvia replacement. Lighter, newer, more affordable FR sports car. Something that reminds them of their 240SX. The 370Z is just a refresh wrapped in a more expensive package and the motor from the Inifnity Q50 I beleive.
yeah, still waiting for a 240sx refresh.
Great channel with quality reviews.
Nice to see you reviewing a car form the early 2000s
I saw two for sale in a dealership near Omaha about two months ago. I’m pretty sure one was offered at about $75k and the other was about $85k. There’s now way in the world that makes sense to me
Insane. My local dealer only has a couple, and it's always automatics. I don't even bother driving the three minutes to go look at them. Not worth my time.
I had a 350Z and loved it. Also had and loved Infiniti G37S. Was looking forward to Z but got a Porsche Boxster, used but GREAT for the price of this. I have only ever seen one on the road. Overpriced and underwhelming by the look of it. Great review.
As a owner of 2 Z32s I learned these cars are some of the hardest to work on. Got to pull the engine to change the oil pan gasket. So I wouldn't buy a Z34. Can't change turbos unleess you pull the engine. Mitsubishi 3000GT was easier to work on and didn't require engjne removal to change a oil pan or turbos. Turbos also have gaskets that can leak coolant and oil causing overheating. So maintaince on a turbo car is a big deal.
I believe the GR Supra turbos are not difficult to replace.
Is there a feature to unblur the speedo?
Not sure I’d feel safe driving that way 😢
Lol he blurred the video. The car is not blurred
As soon as you said - we'll see if it's a GT or a Sports Car, I thought damn it's a GT. Definitely on for the modders.
$54k for performance is just not it when Mustang GT and Supra exist for similar pricing and are faster
the NISMO not having a manual is stupid when its closest competitors all have a manual and are CHEAPER in some cases.
the Z is the best looking car in the segment IMO but Nissan really screwed up the pricing for this car for what could have been a proper Z revival
Not true in a drag the flappy paddle z eats up the mustang impressively
Best looking car in segment? Z was and always is an ugly ass car. It's literally only bought by young men trying to have a "sports car", and poor people trying to get into modding to act like they made a super car beater.
@@resulnaki idk man i like 240z, and this reminds me a lot of them. Is there anything wrong with people with not a ton of money looking to have fun? Or should everyone only aim for Ferraris?
@@ShaiyanHossain there is nothing wrong with that, but there are many cars you can do that with. Zs are just ugly cars. Ferrari? Lol aim for Porsche at least, Ferrari is a joke currently.
@@resulnaki only porsche that interest me are 997 GT3s and 964 RSes. Dont currently have money for either haha
So a $55k car in CA after taxes and fees would exceed $60k then you add another $5k for suspension parts and other expenses to make it better? There are better cars out of the box aren’t there at this price point? Then you look at the used market and the justification for this car becomes less appealing. If you really like this car then just keep it stock and enjoy it as a GT, don’t try to make it what it was not designed for.
Congratulations on the 50K+ subs dude, God bless ya
I bought a black performance model & I absolutely Love it! My prior Z was a 370Z nismo tech which I thought handled better and kept your gut feeling like it was part of the road. I miss that feeling in the new Z but disagree with you that the car isn't good. I see a supra around here in Philly maybe once a month or 2. I don't like the way they look. I wouldn't buy 1 if it would have been $10K less than my Z.
The market was also turning interest rates % were skyrocketing, so people would have astronomical payments! That also with the highest markups in history on a car with a 15 year old chassis
20+ year old chassis in actuality. Now that is beyond sad
no 2025 model on nissan website yet. :(
What confuses me about Nissan's decision making is how the car with the handling dynamics I am looking for is the only one that doesn't get the manual transmission. Between the stick versions being too soft and underbraked while also having massive dealer markups ran me off. If manufacturers got dealers under control with that, more of these would have moved.
6:30 "It's a blank canvas of a car." This is why no one is buying them. What you get for that price is terrible.
The mark up on these are nuts. I have never seen one here in North Florida at or near MSRP. But I have not looked in a while.
People need to stop talking about markups. Its no longer 2022-2023. Some brand new 2024 models are selling under MSRP. Sport models $40k-45k Performance models $47k-$54k.
Heck even C8 Z06 are selling under MSRP.
Yes, I got my Nismo Z well under MSRP earlier this year.
Recently picked up a GR Supra, the Z wasn’t even on my radar because the Supra just felt one generation newer than the Nissan Z. Stock for stock, the Supra is almost superior in every way: Powertrain, handling, cornering capability, clutch-based rear diff, etc.
Supra also has a way nicer interior & has proven to be far more reliable.
@@autostory7125 it’s not what cars does stock especially if want sell u usa market is like skyline GTR R34 stock 276hp lol
@@Nismo1983 The vast majority of potential buyers are not modders. If you're a manufacturer, and you want your new car to succeed with big sales numbers, it had better appeal to regular folk in its stock form.
@@xtnuser5338 yea but for them is too make more money with aftermarket parts !!
I picked up a 2024 45th Anniv. Supra. It is amazing!
I love this car. I think it's the best-looking sports car on the market for anywhere near the price. Mr. K always meant for the Z to be a GT sports car. This is exactly what he had in mind.
No one is buying them because B58 and S58. Hopefully I can get a G87 M2 someday. If not that, then at least an F22 M240i. I'm at a bad point in my life right now though.
I would get the base model immediately swap a shorter FD and add an clutch or even helical LSD and LW flywheel it'll completely change modern Zs personality
The monologue descriptive is amazing! Got a subscribe 👍
Every potential owner of this car already owned a comfortable gt car with the same engine in the form of the infiniti q50/60. Dont need another comfortable faux luxury car. It needed to be an affordable and value packed performance car with maybe nicer limited trims.
I think they just cut too many corners and didn’t execute as well as Toyota and BMW did with the Supra. This was like the “yeah well this one is all ours with no help!” response attempt, but it shows in bad ways. It may be a better priced option, but if I could only afford this one and not the Supra I’d probably just choose something different altogether.
Ah yes my son, I too have the pulse of Mine's Rd. Every bump, every apex, it's pure bliss when no one is looking
Love seeing these on the road
Almost like spotting a Unicorn
i live in Vegas, only seen 2 or 3 at most in the last 18 months
I didn’t buy one because the dealer experience sucks, not to mention the dealer mark up. Then the car itself was not that impressive compared to the competition
Why would the 2024 Nissan Z Performance be softly sprung?!? And the rev hang is there to improve emissions but are either of these the mark of a "performance" sports car?
I bought a '24 Nismo Z and I LOVE IT!!
All in/tax final price?
Of course you do, it's an automatic
The 350Z is still my favorite. I feel like the design and car just seem to get bigger and bigger. But I guess with regulations, easier to throw more power behind a heavier car than to go lighter and make a true sports car. I was seriously looking to buy one, but the reviews all say the same. Good to great GT car, needs suspension mods. $50k can get you a lot of used sports cars still. And I would rather have the new GR86/BRZ over this especially when factoring in price.
Yeah, 350z is my fave, too. Never liked the styling of the 370. And they just keep getting heavier and heavier.
Regulations are killing the Z… exhaust is smaller to be complaint in CA. RPM surge with clutch for better emissions. Increased weight so the power is justified to the EPA… Using thin oil to meet EPA… not being able to sell in the EU. Also talks are that in Japan the z might not be able to continue as it’s “too loud” something regarding a 71 Db date or something along those lines.
I know transmissions move around... but man that shifter is alllll over the place. its like the transmission is attached to the suspension and not the unibody
I just find it really ugly....Z32 is always be the true Fairly Lady Z