Spraying Summit Racing epoxy primer with Harbor Freight Black Widow spray gun. 1968 mustang. Jade.
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- Опубликовано: 17 янв 2020
- This is part 2 in the short video series. I planned on 2 videos, but it will be 3. Too much information. I'm spraying with a new Harbor Freight black widow spray gun, and using Summit Racing epoxy primer. Details on gun and usage. I also show and use 3M PPS cups.
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Hello sir...mind if I share some pro tips? 1) Don't use a tack cloth right out of a pack. It leaves residue. OPen the pack, spread the tack cloth completely open and sit in air for an hour. Don't press the tack cloth, light wipe. To preserve it, leave it in a loose ball in a big jar. 2) Brand new gun you must clean it with lacquer thinner first before they come lubed to protect them - which can get in your paint 3) PPS cups rule !!! LOL...4) BIG ONE...don't spray epoxy primer with a 1.7 primer tip...ONLY use those for highbuild. If you spray epoxy with 1.2 or 1.3 like basecoat , you will thank me - Sorry , not being critical in any way...just sharing stuff I know :-)
Good info. Thanks. I did put lacquer thinner through the gun, I just didn't show it. Didn't think about it. This is why I focus on welding...
Jo Daddy's Garage and the most amazing body fitment/ welder I have seen. You are Ironman !!!
Robert Arco thanks
@@mikebonge7206 No problem...passing on tips LEARNED and tried. I save big Costco jars for tack clothes to preserve and first time I sprayed epoxy with a 1.2 I was blown away...smooth.
@@arcorob i did two fiber glass bumpers, I went to Auto paint store to purchase products,, did lots of You tube research,,, i never sprayed so many layers in my life to paint to fiber glass bumpers
i think i had 1000 dollars in products and new guns an tips. to paint to bumpers,, but learned alot.. and they came out great
The tip for using the tape on the paint can for a clean pour was information I wish I had learned decades ago!! Priceless!!
I like the Heineken in the background.
This video is EXACTLY why this channel is awesome! JDG explains things like you're right there standing next to him. Even leaving the part in where he says one thing and then "okay well that's not going to work" shows the REAL WORLD REALITY in this channel! Excellent video! TWO THUMBS UP 👍👍
Nice job, masking tape on the can great tip
THANK YOU...for sharing. This is one reason why I watch, attention to detail, thanks Barry for letting me hang out in the garage today, I learn something new every time I watch.
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Good afternoon, great tip with the tape technique. That is the type of useful information and expertise that I really enjoy. Great info on the Habor Freight paint gun. Thanks and you take care.
I got the Summit DTM epoxy for my Mach 1, and that tape trick worked awesomely. Two pours out of a new 1 gal can and not a single drip. Thanks for letting us know about the Summit brand epoxy and double thanks for the tape trick.
I have no problem watching long videos that you make. They have helped me with my on project. Your videos have given me courage to tackle stuff that I would have never attempted. Thanks for all you are doing for us.
Thanks. I knew it would end up being super long because I ran into some issues. More of that in the next video.
Same for me... have done all my sheet metal work on my 1967 Mustang after I watch Jo Daddy's video on each part...Good stuff
Worth watching just for the tape-on-the-can pouring tip. Fabulous!
Only 37 minutes? Just kidding.
I could easily watched an hour and a half of the great information, and listen to the smooth voice of Jo Daddy. Keep the great videos coming...I'll watch any length you care to put out!
lol. Thanks. Smooth? I'll take that I guess.
Thanks for the information. I looked at the Black Widow paint gun a few days ago and debated whether to buy it or not, it looked like it worked very well for you, so I'll go back an purchase it. Good video.
this is really well done. much simpler than i had thought once someone with experience lays it out clearly. thanks so much.
When you put the tape on the gallon of paint, my mouth was on the floor, I could have saved SO MUCH paint doing that! Thank you!
Brings back good memories of my days working in the composite shop at American Airlines Alliance Maintenance base. We sanded.repaired,and re-finished all the composite panels,control surfaces on our Boeing 757,767,777 aircraft when they came in for major overhaul. Good times.👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I can relate. I have composite experience.
Enjoy watching you videos! Thank you Sir for sharing your knowledge. God Bless.
Great video, I do like all the content you shared, I am learning, haven't even got a gun yet, but thank you!
Enjoyed this video!! I am doing this work on a pickup right now, Thank You!!
I like your tape trick I am going to have to check out the spray gun 👍
Incredible amount of information here. Start to finish!
Sweet videya. I used the exact same model on my 96 Olds two door. She Came out brilliant. Summit sells REALLY nice body products. Since I live in Ohio, I get my order of goods within 1 and a half days! Usually by 10:30 am. Just after the coffee pot goes nasty. I hope they keep it up.
Good choice of spraygun 👍🏻👌🏻
Well poop! Being colorblind and unable to see the difference between pink and gray I'd probably just keep sanding to bare metal over and over...lol really digging the videos. Big thumbs up Jo.
This is the very best how to video I have seen
Thanks for the nice explanation on how to breaking down the gun very nice explanation
Love the trick with the tape on paint can !
One of your best "How To" vids! Keep these coming!
The tape trick is great but be prepared for when it doesn't, I had a two part urethane the other day that went south from the can to finished project. Glad it was just a firewall, keeping that hood closed...LOL!
Thanks for showing this gun and cleaning it. I'm not a paint guy so this takes some of the unknown out of the black magic.
jwright650
Black _Widow_ .... black Magic retired from the LA Lakers and tested positive for HIV
Great stuff Barry
Awesome vid berry
You said leave any tips is necessary. Always use a trade gauge before trying to screw any trades IN . YOU REALLY DO make great video's BECAUSE YOU REALLY DO KNOW what YOU REALLY ARE DOING YOU REALLY ARE a GOOD Boyd MAN ON ANY automobiles I love your videos and I am really am learning from your video's thank you very much for your videos
Very informative. Thank you.
That's a nice looking spray gun!
I like it. I think the pair will do nicely.
Awesome video!
I love using gun wash to clean my guns up after and soaking the tips if needed. It is an aggressive cleaner but it works and is cheap. It is great for a substitution to brake cleaner and carb cleaner. Leaves no residue and half the cost if not more.
I'll have to check that out.
That's a nice job Barry 👍
I'd be happy with that too.
I like it !!
Great info. I’m a first timer on auto restoration. Great tips keep the clips coming.
Nice pro tip for pouring.
Thanks.Great video.
For the money it's a damn good little gun
Fantastic info we want more
More on the way.
excellent tips thank you
Berry this is George 11B MOPH 4th ID,1968. I have built and restored cars ( early mustangs and c 2 corvettes for close to fifty years. ) I have had the honor of having one of my corvette custom make it into the International Rod and Custom show held in Chicago in 1972. I later had another corvette I restored, a 1965 roadster that had a six pages article on the car and myself in Vette Vues July 1985 issue. I have a 1963 corvette now that I built about ten years ago with a LS 1 engine 4L60 trans and 3:55 posi rear end. Gets through the quarter mile in the high 12's. I'm 76 years old and have no reason to stop my love for these cars. About a year ago I picked up a 65 convertible mustang that was pure junk. I cut the dash with A pillars off and rear seat hardware and scraped the rest of the car. I bought a new 1965 mustang chassis had the other parts dipped. I than started building a new body. It was about that time I came across you on RUclips and your project. I have to say that I learned a lot from watching your video's. I think what you are doing is great. I look forward to your new videos. We are brothers and for those that don't understand that's what makes it special. You know what the hell your doing. Take care.
Thanks George. I appreciate the comment. Looking forward to updates.
@@JoDaddysGarage Type my full name with LS 1 and you can see my vette. You'll have to skip through a few minutes of some wild game because the guy who made the video films deer and wildlife for his RUclips channel. Please keep in mind I do all my own work like you and that my corvette today has a nice fresh GM Victory Red paint job and new interior.
@@TheGeonam Watched and enjoyed.
That’s a new one - tape spout. Big box stores sell a plastic thingamajig that snaps onto the can to pour the fluid out. I do like your method though. 👍
Excellent video
Barry, hi. Like always you give great detail. Nice gun I hope it serves you well Barry. Love your channel.
New love for your channel. Thanks for the tips!
I learned alot. Great tips
Great video!!! Thanks 👊🏽
You want to use something around a 1.3 for epoxy primer, a 1.8 to 2.0 for build primer then back to the smaller tips for base/ clear. Stick with one paint system, mixing brands can lead to problems. Don't use windex to wipe down parts it contains ammonium hydroxide glycol ether and surfactant which could lead to adhesion problems.
Perfect!! You are spot on my man!!
I got the summit epoxy primer and the bottom 1/3 of the can was thick like clay. I broke a couple paint sticks trying to mix it. I figure I got a bad batch lol! It's been a while, so too long to return it. I may order another can when I'm ready to use it. Yours doesn't seem to have any issues.
The Harbor Freight Black Widow spray gun looks much like a SATA clone - the multi purpose wrench, the cup filter and even the manual looks similar to my old SATAJet RP.
Thanks good tips
It's a air cap and a fluid tip. Try to use a ring spanner on that fluid tip. Yeah that gun has a big fan on it. 👍
thank you that was sooooo helpful
If I learn nothing else, the v pattern tape on the paint lid, 👍
this is a great video
Good pin Nice Jop
Your better off using a tack rag after it’s been used. And I liked your tape tip showing dumping out the material out of the can
Beest part is ware you show how to strip down the gun which is the most Important thing to keep trash out of a paint job. Ive found the best way is to run lacquer threw the gun after the job then before starting the next job take off the cap and the nossel and cleen both with a gue
I’ve been painting since 1978 and I can tell you PPG makes a great two part high build epoxy that sands very easy and fills great. I can get you the number if you’d like it
I typically use PPG epoxy. I just wanted to try the summit brand. Thanks.
PPS trigger gun after mounting when guns upside down, sucks all air out of liner makes it 360 degree usage some people may not know
You really should be wrapping the threads on your air fittings with Teflon tape and switch over to high flow couplers and quick connects from your compressor down to the spray gun, switch them all... doing this will give you a nice high volume of air for that gun that needs lots of air.
Thats how i roll
Thanks for this video. I really liked the tip on using the masking tape on the top of the epoxy paint can. I will be using this one when I paint my Road Runner. Lots of good information. Only question was the lack of teflon tape on the fittings. Did you have air leaks at all?
I had no air leaks, but it wouldn't hurt to add some tape.
I like what you do but I don't do things that has air or water flow I always use teflon tape.
hi barry great vids and advise as always following it to the letter would it be right to use epoxy primer on the insides of doors etc and between pieces that are sandwiched together and using weld through primer where plug welds are as from the factory it was just bare metal
You can, but epoxy is meant to go to clean, rust free metal. It is also not uv compliant. Meaning it really needs to be top coated. If water will be in contact, it will eventually fail.
#27 i believe will work in most China freight guns i put pps on the better purple gun yrs ago lol
Hey there, I took your advise and used the SUMMIT epoxy primer on my floor pans. Turned out great for my first time. After the primer dried I applied the EVERCOAT brushable seam sealer. I do not plan to top coat the floor pans. I do want to paint over the (grey) seam sealer. Can I simply re-coat over the floor pans again with the same epoxy primer?
You can use regular primer or epoxy. See what the seam sealer recommends first.
took your in an order some summit epoxy primer
Nice...
when mix epoxy prime 4.1 mix what is wait time before yu spray it
My last can of guide coat lasted about 3 years
I like your video. I bought a quart of acrylic urethane one step for my tanks and fenders on my 1983 Harley Davidson FXWG. I found out it is recommended to use epoxy primer. I use to use at my work long time ago with poly urethane paints. I see they make aerosol cans now. Have you tried those?
I have not tried the aerosol.
Hi "Daddy"! Thank you for very nice video!! By the way, i think, it is not matter, which way your air "valve" is mounted. I belive, it will working both way.. Robert did mention, that brand new gun is better clean first, (if it`s not a "high banded" gun). I mean De vilbiss, Sata, Iwata and so on .. This "Black widow"- gun is probably made in China, and may have oil, and other corrosion protect materials in it, you never know,.. Good to clean it first. (Sorry my english). Good luck, and bless you!
pps means potable paint system
Hi. I have seen you use JP epoxy sealer before. I sprayed my bare metal car with it months ago. Starting sanding to prep for JP shop line primer. My 220 grit paper is gumming up. Do I need to wet sand?
Hard to say. Typically I would just sand enough to break the surface and spray primer. But you may have to wet sand if it's really bad.
Excellent video sir. Does this epoxy has isocyanate in it activator? Also it says low VOC. How true is that? How is it holding so far? Does it need to be top coat it or not?
Not sure on the activator. I can't say how low the VOC is. I wear my respirator, and I leave after I spray. Seems to be doing ok. I did add high build primer.
I don’t know the first thing about painting a car. What does drive me crazy is all the different primers and what order they are used in. I know this wasn’t the goal of this video, but when the sealer goes on is now a question in my mind.
Sealer is generally used as a topcoat before paint. It's meant to bring all the panels into one uniform color.
Jo Daddy's Garage yep, I have a bunch of research to do. There are just too many different products or systems or whatever. I guess I need to just immerse myself in it. Thanks for the reply.
When your adding exter parts adapter, regulator, drier etc. You dont use teflon tape.
Barry, after watching this video I ordered a Type 27 PPS adapter for my Black Widow a decision I'm very happy with thank you. I wondered how you got that information? Manual? Buddy in China? The reason I ask is frequently on facebook folks recommend the Type 9 it's clear to me by now that both work but I feel like the odd man out recommending Type 27 so I just wondered where you got the info?? Thanks!!
I honestly don't remember. I had the original PPS adapter for several years.
Try SPI epoxy primer
I am assuming that your paint shaker is a Harbor Freight model. How long have you been using it? and do you like it? I've been in the market now for getting a shaker, just haven't bit the bullet yet.
It's either from Harbor Freight or Northern tools. It does a good job. Haven't had any issues.
You will get a better fit with a 3M S9 adapter for your paint cup
hi Sir, where did you get the adapter to use the accu spray
cups...thanks ...I have a black widow and would love to use accuspray system with it
The PPS system? My local paint supply store.
Great Video. I used Summit epoxy primer on some panel and very happy with it. But I strange thing I noticed if the leftover primer is in a seal container it will never harden. You can mix it again and spray again even after 2 weeks in a seal jar. It seem the activator will separate from primer and stays on top in the jar. Again you can mix it and spray. have you noticed anything like that before?
I typically don't have any left over.
I generally don't pour out of a paint can anymore. I use a cheap dollar store ladle to transfer paint to mixing cups. I also see you prefer black primer. Any reasoning for that? Black does always look good though.
And PPS cups are awesome but pricey even if you get the knockoff versions.
Being epoxy, it really doesn't matter I guess. it will have a top coat. I typically use grey for that. A contrasting color lets you know you have good coverage. I agree on the PPS cups. It is what it is though.
@@JoDaddysGarage Same here on the contrasting colors makes life easier. PPS cups prices are high but it does beat cleaning paint cups and the time saved and chemicals not used might make up for it.
@Jo Daddy, what is the part / model # on the regulator that your using from Harbor Freight?
I believe this is it: www.harborfreight.com/125-PSI-Air-Flow-Regulator-with-Gauge-62695.html
I was thinking of using this product Epoxy Primer as a sealer coat for the bare interior of my Chevelle after I remove all the surface rust, would this be a good idea, I would like to get the Summit Grey colored Epoxy Primer, and can this be the sole coating, or does it have to be painted over as well? I hoping that just a single coat of the epoxy will suffice, what are your thoughts on this. thanks for any help,
If all the rust is gone and clean metal, epoxy is great. I'd spray two coats as epoxy is pretty thin. It wouldn't hurt to top coat it with something else. Epoxy is pretty tough, but it has no UV protection.
Mice job i enjoy your content and i need to go get that gun
Thinking about buying some of that epoxy is it any good? It’s cheaper then what I’m using just curious of your opinion compared to other epoxys like dp90 or axaltra
It seems to be ok. Hard to really have a comparison.
That gun has a great patttern
My epoxy primer says to sand bare metal 120-150. Since a DA sands so gently would that still be 120-150 or rougher?
Good question. I think as long as you’re using the required grit it should be ok. The problem is continuously sanding as the paper wears out. That will make the metal “smoother” as well.
Great videos and very informative. Is the Summit Racing epoxy primer compatible with other brands of primers and paints (ppg, sherwin williams, etc)? I don't know if the chemistry in the different manufacturers will be a problem. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated.
From what I understand, epoxy primer in general is very stable. I have sprayed PPG 2K on top of it and have not seen any reactions.
@@JoDaddysGarage have you used summits 2k primer? If so u recommend it?
@@roofhy4133 I have not tried it yet. Sorry.
@@JoDaddysGarage all good. How u like the epoxy primer from summit tho?
If you notice that you have imperfections or small dents, can you apply filler over the epoxy primer?
Yes. I would scuff it first.
@@JoDaddysGarage thank you
Love the videos trying to start painting my project truck & questions i have some high build primer i got the ratio is 4:25:25. Is that the same thing is 4:1:1 ratio
That sounds right.
@@JoDaddysGarage thanks..👍🏽
The best rust primer is. Mastercoat permanent rust sealer. Mic silver look it up
the best anti rust inhibitor in the paint industrie is called Zinc Chromate. i looked up Mastercoat permanent rust sealer. it appears to be a normal cheap epoxy primer it should be well known to any car painter that. an epoxy primer is inferior in any aspect to a real etch primer with filler on top. other than in terms of speed and cost. phosphoric acid
is what bites in the actual metal. that yellow stuff u rather not use with the shinny 900 euro spray gun :P it comes in red too , CR and CF... forgot most of the details. school has been too long, but what i did learn is that what u say is not true, even when i tried to look it up it doesn't even refer to a tdc that says what actual rust inhibitor was used. for all i can tell it could be whale sperm.
@@mythicanomaly3079 i willing to bet you if you rub that paint with acetone it will rub off try that with mastercoat
blah, blah... neither of you have any way of backing these comments up
@@rustyjeep2469 buddy i used it on all my projects as a primer on and off rust bare metal 7 years later cars driven in Canadian winters no issues at all its the best ive seen now you may have used your product and it held out ..its better than any spray paint or average body shop stuff..
What was wait time between coats? Thanks
I thought I mentioned it in the video. I think it was 10-15 minutes.
Would the 27 gallon Fortress compressor have enough airflow for using this gun?
Not sure