Apple's iPad Pro Smart Keyboard Folio Review: The Best, But Too Many Compromises
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- AppleInsider review of the updated 2018 iPad Pro Smart Keyboard Folio (12.9 and 11-inch)
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5:07 Dude you can fold the keyboard at back so that it rest on the bottom edge, and the ipad rests at The volume buttons..
Problem solved i use this position all the time..
"Inconvenience to check out the time" - has a watch on...
Yeah he seemed to be searching for negatives to share, because there really isn’t any. 0.2 lbs heavier? You have to be a very weak person to find that a problem, unless they have WiFi in the mountains when hiking now?
People complain that the iPad isn’t “enough to be a laptop replacement” and then complain that the keyboard is in the way on a table lmaoo
@ 5:00
Ikr, and he said it’s a hugeeee annoyance! This guy always makes such a big deal about such insignificant issues...
@Coyote I say the same, specs and UI on the iPads are not similar to be a laptop replacement, sure, the specs are good, but it's not the same with current fast laptops. And about the UI, I like it, just not a big fan of it in terms of calling it the same as a computer...
lmao
Brandon u think the same now in 2020 with the new ipad pro?
Apart from getting used to enter buttons location. I’m really enjoying this keyboard. This is the first Apple keyboard for the iPad that I’ve bought. The previous ones I didn’t because I felt the magnets were too weak/flimsy and the buttons too mushy. This still has shallow travel but it’s tactile enough that I can get used to it.
I am not very particular when it comes to keyboards but I do have a range that I’m willing to be perfectly fine with.
I’m very happy with it this iPad Pro.
You may not like the back protection as said in your review but Apple knows that they have made the 2018 iPad pro more fragile so they redesigned the case to compensate for the bend gate
I’ve been using a Logi Slim Folio on my 10.5 iPP and bought Apple’s Folio for my new 12.9. The Logi is a cheap (not inexpensive) plastic thing heavy, clunky and anything but slim. Moving to Apple’s Folio case, I can say I don’t miss the weight, bulkiest and clunkiness of the Logi. I *DO* however miss the backlit keys (even though it was annoying to not be able to adjust the amount of time the backlight stayed on). I also miss the function keys - no keyboard control for volume, brightness, home, etc with Apple’s keyboard. That having been said, I’m getting used to using only gestures too control everything, so that’s a wash. I definitely like the slim, lightweight case and I’m not going to gripe over it adding 3/10 of a pound to the whole rig.
This feels more like a personal rant than an actual review. This “review is not a good reference if you are actually looking for a review.
I can't imagine what else he could have covered that would have made it a "review". I prefer this sort of review where he's telling us about his actual experience with both versions of this thing.
it reviews the experience using the product, that's all that matters for a review
I don’t know what percentage of downvotes is just salty people who purchased the keyboard and didn’t get their purchase confirmation. This is an awesome review, much better than your typical generic review.
This comment feels like an apple fanboy didnt like the opinions of someone who uses the device every day
stan_sprinkle we want a review not a comparison
Are these really complaints?
He just sounds whiny
Mr. Kattan but the bezels overall are lesser
Ryder Gibson obviously
Yes.
Mr. Kattan
Are these complaints about the Keyboard folio or the iPad? Cause this video is about the Keyboard folio...
Some irrelevant nitpicking, like if I was watching a movie on my iPad, I wouldn't be bothered about the keyboard being below as it's out of the way. Not sure why anyone would be fiddling with cards or sliding a lighter about whilst watching a movie? But none the less a good and informative video.
Michael Thomas I will not upgrade to the new iPad just because the keyboard doesn’t fold conveniently enough. Just because you don’t care doesn’t mean it’s nitpicking.
@@Drothen- I never once said that the keyboard didn't fold conveniently enough.. it's obvious that it's foldability is limited compared to its predocessor. This however is highlighted least when watching a movie, when you're unlikely to be entertaining yourself with a pack of cards or sliding a lighter about right Infront of the already limited screen. Maybe try reading the comment next time. Wonderful effort though, top notch!
@@miket9724 Say if someone was watching a youtube tutorial regarding magic tricks or origami, you want that extra space. Also I do think that the deck of cards and lighter was just an example. As he stated, people study with textbooks or paper and again, you need that extra space. Also I don't really that that it's nitpicking if you're going to spend almost £200, some of the inconveniences can be really annoying for some people, maybe not for you but people are different. Hope that helps you understand better, ok?
Michael Thomas I get that but I also game on mine and I like that the keyboard can move out of the way but it’s not that annoying
I think not having that space in front is a problem, in particular if you are on an airplane, watching a movie while enjoying a snack or a drink. You need that real estate
I bought the original iPad Pro 9.7 when it was introduced (I had to WAIT for the keyboard), and I have never, not once, used the "keyboard folded behind the back" position. I hated the bump on the front caused by the origami fold, and I hated how unstable the keyboard was on the lap without anything even sturdier under it. I also had to buy an extra silicone cover for the back.
The new keyboard fixes all the annoyances I had with the previous one and ads more improvements. I'll never look back.
I thought that my 5000 unread emails are a lot, but when I saw at 9:03 I've changed my mind ;)
I have 92k
Thanks for the analysis. I got the 3rd gen iPad and keyboard, for me it got really better, as a working tool I have to take it everywhere, the protection from scratches on the back, was a really nice evolution fro the previous 2nd gen
I just rewatched this and nowhere in it did you demonstrate drawing mode, as you did in your review of the Logitech keyboard folio. Do you have a video that shows how you would use this in drawing mode with the Apple Pencil? Thanks.
Too much nit picking. I got my keyboard last week. Been very happy...
You have a f*cking 12 inches new generation ipad pro why would you take notes on paper? Ahaha
Does he really have no tables that are bigger than 12”?
5:00 - just flip the keyboard around so the stand sits tent style, that way the keyboard won’t be in the way. That’s why I got one
Thanks for this comparison. I have the older model that doesn’t cover the back, and I could never figure how to keep it open with the keyboard in the back. Thanks for showing me this! I love the keyboard and the fact that it’s so light.
You can use it in tent mode to watch videos etc, without the keyboard being in front.
Honestly most of his gripes are my pros...
you sound like a super articulate Chris Griffin. Good video!
I WAS ABOUT TO SAY THIS OMG
Now I can’t unhear this.
You deserve more recognition for this review video with all the relatable points to existing and new owners. Good job keep em coming
I love the new iPad keyboard covers the vac because you get scratches with
The positional issues are completely accurate. Exposed keyboard on the back, display without keyboard in front. All of it. I’m going to wait to upgrade.
I have the iPad Pro 11, with the Apple smart keyboard, I think it is fine and the best option right now, since no aftermarket companies have come out with any alternatives
All Gallaudet students were given during Covid this summer a 2nd edition 11 inch iPad Pro, and the keyboard folio. While I wish we were given the larger size, it would have cost a lot more for the university, so I get why. However, I found nothing to whine about in weight, flexibility, or taking up space. Our Deaf university uses ASL on Zoom for classes with students around the world, and the keyboard was not in my way to take notes. Deaf people are great at adapting. Maybe that is why Apple caters to us.
I feel like bro just found problems lol. Like actively went out his way to find problems lol.
true HAHA
Talk about first world problems
Differences not really complaints. If you choose to update to 2018 iPad then you will have this folio case as an option. This is not the only keyboard option out there but most likely the best non-back-lit keyboard.
So being a current user of the iPad 10.5 pro and using the Smart Keyboard, after getting rid of my Mac and using the iPad as the replacement I can honestly say all of the cons mentioned are relevant!! And are enough for me not to upgrade and wait until Apple revamp the keyboard
Does the keyboard work with iPad in portrait mode?
I was hoping for instructions on how to use it; i.e. The function keys, etc. I was so disappointed to find out there is no backlit keyboard.
I wish they would have something like the otter box symmetry case with a keyboard with the smart connector. Something that is fast and responsive and protects the damn thing.
Excellent review; thanks for showing in-depth the actual differences between the two and the annoyances from someone who actually used both products for an extended period of time. The old one seems in many ways to have been the better design.
I have the iPhone and the Watch so no need to glance at notifications. I like that it covers the back in my case.
I agree, the keyboard at the back when folded is not a great idea.
Well it is a case so i wouldnt want it to easy to pull off, plus being on the back stops the camera from making it uneven on flat surfaces
EXACTLY 😐 He just keeps complaining about the tiniest things
Not even a year old the Folio edges started unraveling. I know APPLE has a duty to replace it for inferior binding of the edges. I now call it the Titan of tablet keyboards. Thanks to Stockton Rush for inspiring Apple.
I have scratches and bumps on my iPad Pro 13. I’m glad about back protection
Great review. While to some it may be nickpicking, i actually agree and found these review points justified. With responses to the nickpicking about the keyboard, in my experience when flying with the tray table down (while riding in an airplane), the old keyboard allowed to be tucked in behind for room for other things like a drink. Apparently this new one doesn't :(
Had the 12.9 the last time and went for the 11 this time, couldn’t be happier. Even tho the 12.9 is a lot smaller, the 11 inch screen is plenty big for me. The weight of the 12.9 is still to much for laying in bed or on the couch if holding it in your hands. Even with the Smart Keyboard on my 11 its so much lighter than my old 12.9 with keyboard. Love the keyboard folio, only complaint is feeling the keys when flipped back, but I’m sure I’ll get used to it.
Tha iPhone i want
I bought the folio for 1 thing, to protect it while i carry it. I don't type emails while i'm on the couch, I don't storm out of the house and need the extra millisecond to remove or add the cover, I don't need to peek and check the time. The giant keyboard is not so giant, and if you need extra space in your desk, you probably need a bigger desk lol.
I like the Fintie keyboard because it’s wireless and is unattached so you could move your keyboard anywhere and it’ll still type
For me, the fact that you can't use it in watch mode is a deal breaker.
Went into an Apple store while i was out and tested the Smart Keyboard folio as I was thinking of getting one for my iPad Pro 12.9 (2018). I however did not like the typing experience after i tried Samsung’s keyboard for their new tablet devices (I don’t have one but eh). Now, the irony comes... I’m currently typing this comment using the Smart Keyboard folio that I mentioned earlier and stated I did not like the typing experience. Tbh, I have changed my opinion and actually love the Smart Keyboard folio. I just wished both angles had a steeper option, so there will be 4 angles in total. Also, I appreciated the last iteration of the Smart Keyboard where the keyboard can be “hidden” behind the ipad, while also maintaining an angle. This is is pretty comfortable to use on my lap, for most of the time. It has a minimalistic design, which I am for it, but it sacrifices on protecting your iPad; so if you’re a very clumsy individual who is prone to dropping a very expensive iPad, I would not recommend this, or get the DUX Shell along side it (not a fan of that). I have small hands so the size of the keyboard is pretty ok for me, but those with big hands may be uncomfortable using it. I just wish the keyboard offered more features, such as changing the volume of the iPad without having to use the screen, as well as changing the brightness of the screen. And maybe back light as it is pretty hard to see the keys in a dark room, but you can always have the lights on (I had a powercut so) and I found out that using the steeper angle with the brightness of the screen almost at max, it is pretty ok to see the keys. Or you could just use muscle memory to type, which I am not very good at yet. One more nitpick, when typing very fast, as I had been now, the caps key doesn’t always function properly as it doesn’t register, so sometimes when you press it to capitalise a letter, it will not. Also, another nitpick is there is no indication to let you know if the caps key is indeed on/off. Maybe Apple could have added a small LED light on the caps key or make a small indication on the screen itself.
I have two observations regarding my 11 Pro inch keyboard experience after about 6 months.
1. In typing mode The position closest to the keyboard presents an issue for me because when I am reaching to type on the number row my tips of my fingers will sometimes touch the screen of the iPad which is a little annoying.
2. As you stated in tablet mode the keys on the keyboard are flat against any surface you lay the device on. However, a semi-work around is I position the iPad as if I’m about to put it in typing mode but rather than placing the iPad in the grooves I lift the tablet forward and place it flat on the keyboard which hides all the keys above the home row.Perhaps Apple will consider designing their next cases to hide the keyboard keys completely. But, until then for me this will have to do.
2:28 What if you want to slide your iPad with the case on it across a table? Having a cover on the back will let you do that without scratching.
I think it is the best if what you are looking for a light and comfortable keyboard.
A Surface like kickstand in an iPad would have been the way to go. I also think the Surface keyboard is better having owned both.
Kyle M just bought the surface pro 6th gen and I’m loving it!
5:15 if you need space on a small desk to put it on, don’t get a keyboard case just use the digital keyboard that comes up on the ipad
With the old Smart Keyboard, after around 2+ years of usage, the edges seem a bit worn out and a lot of fibres have come out looking like threads, showing its age. (I have the 9.7 inch version). It still works amazingly but it isn’t something one would expect from an Apple product.
I hope the revised version doesn’t have that problem.
How much money is it
These don’t really seem like any particular issues to not get the new Smart Keyboard. I think the only potential annoyance of the new Smart Keyboard is touching the keys when the cover is folder back.
Like the new one way better on my 12.9. If I'm not using the keyboard and want to view in portrait mode for example, I just detach the folio. Not a big deal.
Regarding the keyboard in the way, when you aren’t using it. Simply fliip everything over and put it up a like an a-frame/tent. Problem solved.
The back protection, I would love.
Just buy an Apple wireless keyboard and throw that in the bag. Which will give you more freedom than an attached keyboard. I've been doing that since the iPad Air was first released. A refurbished one on Amazon is about $50 bucks.
Very interesting difference in opinions about the keyboard as many of your pros were cons from others and vice versa.Thought this is very interesting and unexpected. Good to hear different opinions about how products are designed.
I work with several languages and keyboards. No-one seems to give me a clear idea as to how that works with this keyboard (Italian language characters, accent marks, Russian characters, etc.) Mac help seemed to be saying there is a way of using the keyboard itself, but the implication was simply that you could go out of keyboard mode and peck on the screen keyboards.
The outside material picks up finger oils too easily. The keys need to have a back light, or glow in the dark. The keyboard doesn’t feel bad though, also I’m happy they added the back protection.
I noticed that vertical mode as well between the old and new one. I think it’s a way to get people to buy the other cover. It’s the only way to get that mode back.
I agree with most of the complaints. Apart from being sturdy it took away every other goodness from the old version
I think I'll be waiting to see Logitech's slim combo option before deciding. I agree though, I'm looking for an option that the keyboard can be tucked away or not and the iPad can still stand with the folio.
Excellent review and comparison, hit all the right notes, thanks.
Both are an annoyance. Waiting to see what Logitech can do. Use the Logitech Slim Folio with keyboard so I can go keyboard or no keyboard and the back allows any orientation. I can even stand it up in Portrait mode. Hope they make one for the new iPad Pro. Wish they hadn’t moved the smart connector
yeah it's give and take with having the back covered. They move the connector to the back which means now you can lay it down flat on the table and draw but you could also still type on the keyboard. On the old one, you can't lay it flat on the table and still be connected to the keyboard... Which brings me to my next point: I'd still prefer having some other Bluetooth keyboard case even if it means I have to charge it once a month. Logitech are probably the best but you're giving up some of the minimalist design with the Apple keyboard. It's frustrating
I’m watching this with my iPad Pro alongside the Apple Smart Keyboard. It’s great I swear
Same here
i've tested both iPad's smart keyboard and galaxy tab's. i can honestly say that the galaxy tab's smart keyboard feels real & better when typing.
Apple this is what we want. Apple separate case that connects to folio and keyboard so it is detachable. A trackpad on the folio keyboard. That’s literally it. So close to being perfect.
Honestly take a look at BRYDGE, I am currently using the IPad Pro 12.9 2017 with the Seres II keyboard from BRYDGE and I am happy I didn’t go with Apples cheap feeling cloth keyboard!
The Brydge keyboard has 180 degrees of possible hinge adjustments. While the keyboard is Bluetooth, the series II gets rid of any lag or repeated/missing key strokes...The keyboard also has a full function row that makes using the IPad Pro a possible laptop replacement (while apple choose to only have a number row...) The keyboard also has the open to wake feature, and there is no problem with taking the ipad out of the keyboard hinges...just apply pressure downwards on the keyboard and pull the ipad out.There are also rubber feet on the bottom, so it never slides around. Also due to its colour matched metal design, using the iPad Pro on the lap is easy as can be. The keyboard also promises a full year before you charge it. I revived mine in late August 2018 @86% and as of November 13th, 2018 the keyboard is currently at 78%. I have written plenty of +10 page essays and have not experienced any issue when it comes to typing..the keys feel amazing and offer more key travel when compared to the last couple MBPs.
One thing I like about the old one is the Smart Cover style angle it gives you, and you can even use the on screen keyboard when in that mode. I don't think you can do that with the new one.
Here after I got it, pretty nice ngl
I wish it would protect the edges
me too. after one week, shattered screen and dented corner from a 2' drop with the smart keyboard folio attached
You cant charge the pencil if you cover the edges duh.
Beetleman20 not all of it, just the angles
@@erenyeager3296 if you try to cover the edges you have to cover the under and upper part, which is where the speakers are installed. For the keyboard version it's impossible to do so as it will interfere with the keyboard stand. As for the folio cover all Apple official iPad cover never surround the edges, its always been like this way. I have scratched the paint of my ipad air 2 years ago because i bought the apple cover, and thus never used its cover ever again, and bought whole surrounding case instead. I admit it's possible to bump into the edges when falling, but its way more easier to break the screen and the screen cost like 50% of the ipad price to repair, which IMO you should just buy the apple care + (at least I did). The above comments also claimed a shattered screen on fall.
@@Beetleman20 yes you can. there are a few cases on amazon which perform this miracle from third parties. just because Apple didnt manage it doesnt mean its not possible.
I have an iPad Pro 10.5 with an Apple Smart Keyboard, and everything inside me is telling me to wait to upgrade. Your video helps some with that, but I also just watched a durability test for the new 11, and it was not good. :(. I also want to wait for the software to catch up with the hardware.
The Tech Wiccan if your waiting for the software to catch up, you will be waiting a long time. Apple will never make the iPad as useful as a laptop.
Julio Arroyo I get that. I would like to see Final Cut Pro for iOS on the iPad. It’s the little things. :)
The Tech Wiccan the problem with that logic is that software is always being upgraded. You don’t need to buy the newest one to because they literally upgrade the software every year
Aaron Gutierrez I understand that too. The new iPad is a little too powerful, IMO. Right now, it is powerful enough to run Final Cut Pro, but we don’t have it. This is just one example. Maybe that will change in the future.
The Tech Wiccan you’re right, wait. I’m perfectly happy with my 10.5”
Lol is it me or does it seem like the older version is actually the newer version? 😂😂
How it helps over time? The rubbery material, the fabric cover of the keys, etc
Logitech has a really good keyboard coming out
I had this case for 4 years, and still is. Now the case is kind of ruined, smudged. My keyboard however, is starting to get dirty. Unfortunately, I don't have a cloth,
How do you change volume or title on the keybord? Why is there no function key line??
duketoby0 touch the screen or use the volume buttons
I’m concerned about the keyboard sitting on the screen when the folio is closed, and I’m really going to miss the higher angle of the old Smart Keyboard because I use that angle without the keyboard in the way every single day.
We need a major revolution in processor technology. Ability to dissipate heat without fans and space so you could put desktop class processors in tablets and ultrabooks. Also a revolution in battery tech. Battery that's half the size and weight but can provide power for a week. Make it happen.
Kino Zomby batteries are on the verge of a major brake through... about another 4 or 5 years and you will see a battery in a laptop last all week... peace!
Should i get this or wait for a logitech or other company’s keyboard case
2.5 pounds on the 11 inch? The Surface Pro (which is 12.3") weighs 1.7 pounds for the tablet and 2.4 with the keyboard, I'm surprised the more compact iPad weighs a bit more?
2.5 pounds on the 12.9 inch
These are so stupid complains
I’m a huge user of the Smart Keyboard and I agree 100% with your comparison between the new one and the old one. I hope Apple listens to some of these criticisms and tries to improve on the next model, but I think it’s pretty obvious they made some compromises with features to try to make the new one better (more rigid, because the front doesn’t fold, but that means no media mode and keys on your hand holding the iPad with the front folded back).
And back protection is worthless. I think Apple saw people bitching about that on forums and gave people what they wanted, but it doesn’t make sense when the back is made from aluminum that’s more than strong enough to survive getting bumped around in a bag all day.
I love the keyboard, but detest the stand. I think I should have waited to compare what is available. But like I said the actual keyboard is great.
The criticisms of the cover seem unfounded but more to the point, is the iPad bending yet?.. I heard they are bending quite a bit! I hope not tho.
So is this a complaint video or a legitimate review? Because I can’t tell.
Question:
- Does the old microfiber smart keyboard also work on the 2020 ipad pro?
- If yes: where can I get it? Cause I just can't seem to find that microfiber one anywhere online anymore. (except at extremely high prices)
I just want a stand for the ipad 2020 pro so that it can sit upright WITHOUT the keyboard in front of it :/
I think I just really want the old smart keyboard you show us here, but on the new ipad 2020. Any advice or alternatives?
Hopefully this will also be released for the normal iPad 2019.
My iPad has fallen out of this thing many times.
why don't people consider the magic keyboard 2 + standard smart folio
Cody Chow I guess because it’s not a cohesive experience .. basically unwieldy to carry together ..
@@atthelord Also the screen is too near to the keyboard. When I used my iPad Pro + Keyboard Folio on my lap it looks like I'm trying to suck my own dick.
Cody Chow its really not, you’re just using it wrong
Cody Chow lmao
Cody Chow 🤣🤣🤣
im wathcing this video usign iPad Pro and apparently i can get something like this keyboard for my computer becuase its very comfortable for me, and Imho typing at my best using this.,
Thanks for showing me how to stand the old pro up without having the keyboard at the front 👌🏽 iv been putting my phone down the back to prop it forward 😂👊🏼
It is really sturdy, though.
I think these are some legit complaints. It’s a step back in functionality. I’m good with my 9.7 Pro Keyboard.
Not a good sign where after every comment the “reviewer” says “but that’s just me.” Seems more like a rant than a review video.
Does Apples Smart Keyboard for 11" iPad Pro 2018 provide protection for the Apple Pencil 2 while this is magnetically connected to the iPad during transportation in a bag, backpack, briefcase or during storage?
When you flip the case around and have it in tablet mode with the keyboard on the back, does it hold itself there with magnets? Or is it just free and flimsy?
How do you feel about using the new iPad for note taking in classes using the Apple Pencil. Is it worth it for school purposes?!
I just love how this guy pronounces ‘keyboard’ .. anyway I’ll wait for the 3rd party cases to come out 👍
Good review. What is that wooden box with the screen on your desk out of curiosity. Thanks
Dropping it? From 4 feet?