You know what is really amazing about this machine and all it's brethren?? These machines were built using only pencils, slide rules, drafting tables and paper. There were no computers back then. It was all done with mathematics. When you stop and think about all that weight on those drivers spinning around at 75MPH, that is TONS of weight in motion, and it's all balanced to the pound!! When you think of these things being designed and built in 1944 with pencil and paper, and brain power, it's amazing w=how things got done!!!!
To be fair, the principles are all the same today, we use the same math and the same equations. Calculus, geometry, and stress analysis have been around for a long time. Computers mostly just help speed up the boring stuff for that sort of pure mechanical design. There are some things like fluid dynamics and complex failure mechanisms where computer simulations have been serious game-changers, though.
The design limit for UP844 was 120 mph. 75mph is a relatively relaxed pace for a 4-8-4 Northern. She's more limited by track conditions then anything today.
All the momentum created by those connecting rods (or bars) on the drive wheels must have been hard to compensate for, especially at high speeds. I mean we have similar back & forth motions in modern internal combustion engines but none of the parts weigh anywhere near as much as the parts on these old steam locomotives. And can you imagine anything being accidentally blown into all that motion - it would be chopped up like a buzz saw.
We should all THANK the Union Pacific, for keeping steam alive. It speaks volumes for the company and the people who work for it. THANK YOU VERY MUCH for all your efforts much appreciated by the citizens (old geezers).
can definitely verify. I counted 100 rotations in about 19 seconds at the 5:00 mark. That = 18,947 rotations in an hour. With 80" drivers, that = 4,761,993 inches per hour which is 75.16 MPH :)
@@bonda_racing3579 yep! I blew up the footage and counted the rotations at half speed then reverified at .25 and .75 just to be sure. Sometimes digital "film" can skip, especially when it's streaming, so I counted 3 times total, once at each speed :)
This train is maybe my favorite. The wheels are stunning when it's parked, they are taller than a person. And it's truly shocking how fast the connecting rods and piston are going. I think they said that this train uses roller bearings on the connecting rods, and the connecting rods need re-greased at least every 150 miles. So you basically have modern metallurgy (modern enough) with super hard connecting rods that are as thin as possible because they are extremely strong steel alloy, with roller bearings on each attachment point at the wheels (big end rod bearings). Still, it's shocking to see it going 75mph, because of how large and heavy the parts are.
Everybody talks about how impressive the European and Japanese bullet trains are. I get choked up seeing such a great old horse showing that she's still got it. Basically 200 year old technology. Majestic and powerful.
+hallis1 She's always had the capability to still do this when out on runs. ^^ More problem is just that nowadays, for running these speeds, if the consist is long enough to require diesel assist, that assist has either gotta come from the surviving Big Jack, UP 6936, as was the case here, or an Amtrak GE Genesis needs to be hooked up! UP's heritage E-units might be able to as well. The reason is that UP's SD70's and GEVO's are geared for freight pulling, NOT passenger pulling, and the absolute maximum speed they can safely run is 75 mph before they become just dead weight. Track speed limitations for the particular trip also play a huge role. Still though, 844 is still easily capable of reaching 100+ mph, problem finding the trackage and diesel assist for long consists that can handle running close to 100 as well. XDD
LutzDerLurch Firstly to allow longer excursions trains to be pulled up severe grades than would otherwise be possible with UP 844 alone. This is especially critical on trips to Sacramento, California over the Sierra Nevada mountains and Donner Pass. 844's maximum tractive effort is only about as much one GP40-2 locomotive, and that's AFTER she gets some speed built up. She was built as a passenger locomotive after all, not as a coal-dragging freight engine, so she needs the extra pulling grunt of a diesel helper when pulling long excursions of 20-25 cars or more. Secondly, the diesel helper's dynamic brakes save brake wear on the vintage passenger equipment often hauled behind 844.
Correct. There is an old adage among long-time railroaders, especially the dwindling ones who witnessed dieselization first hand: steam engines are capable of pulling trains they initially cannot get moving, while diesels cannot truly pull trains they can get moving initially, and that applies here. This is because steam locomotives have lower tractive effort from a standing start, but once moving gain additional tractive effort up to a certain speed, where they are capable of pulling their hardest. Diesel-electric locomotives on the other hand, generate their greatest pulling power from a standing start and once moving, a diesel-electric's tractive effort diminishes the higher the speed due to traction motors trying to act more and more like their own generators. That is a phenomenon that ALL electric motors will have and is why electric motors have less torque the faster they run. With longer excursions than she pulled in revenue service, 844 needs some backup initially to get things moving, but once moving on level track, she can usually handle things herself. But when severe slopes and climbs come along, the diesel lends its grunt as speed drops to keep 844 from being completely overwhelmed.
@@jhull7490 So many people think steam locomotives were slow. They were very fast. All the big passenger train companies competed for passengers with speed.
I mean if she gives it all she’s neck to neck with most cars on the road. The record top speed for the 800s is 120mph just 6mph behind Mallard. Real impressive for a chunky engine with no streamlining at all
I don't think anyone is paying attention to that diesel locomotive just aft of the tender cars. I am sure it is lending a hand so the old girl don't get stressed out and blow up.
There's just something oddly satisfying with brutal, raw power, thundering across the countryside like nothing in the world can stop it. Fabolous video, and good job by the cameraman!
I was lucky enough to see a monster train like this in Australia's outback pulling a set of cars over 7 miles long... it literally took about 7-8 minutes for that train to pass the small outpost depot I was watching from...absolutely awesome...
Imagine sitting in a farm field just having recovered after the despression + WW2 and seeing this blitz by. Far cry from Dad's junker Model T he bought used that only rarely gets used in emergencies and to shop in the next town over occasionally.
Well after WW2, the US was actually doing great, booming economy, everyone was coming home, so it was mostly, West Russia, Europe, the territory of the Japanese Empire and Hawaii that had to recover
america was founded on the backs of these big bad boys, its a shame america moved towards cars as main transport the rail in amaerica could be some of the worlds best. id pay top dollar to go on holliday there to ride one of these bad boys.
@@NORKIE the auto industry bought up the majority of the tracks and had them pulled up so only fright trains continued. It’s really sad because the train was an inexpensive way to travel
@@ZodiacSam the diesel is there as a fail-safe and for the dynamic braking required by the FRA. It's actually not doing much of anything other than being dragged along the rails just like all the other unpowered cars. 844 has a top speed of 110 mph so is just cruising here at slightly under 70% of full output.
@@danielkeene3852 Around 1993-1994 the steam engine 819 Cotton Belt I believe would travel from it's home base Pine Bluff to some where in Texas. This was an annual trip. My son and I would always see it stop in Camden Arkansas for a little bit. We would follow along beside the train and it would be at 70 to 75MPH. UNION PACIFIC made some rule about not letting any steam engine use their trackage unless the locomotive belonged to them. I still have the memories.
Can't help but cry watching this/ I was just a kid at the death of steam, Dad was a fireman and engineer and taught me the fine points of firing. I was the only kid (8) in the neighborhood that could handle a #2 coal scoop and put it in the firebox without losing a nugget of coal.
Thanks for sharing that little "nugget" from your memories. My husband and I both believe we were born in the wrong era. Steam trains are just to familiar to our hearts.
I learned how to run a train when I was a teenager. I befriended a local crew that did their turn around my hometown. Later, I did a bit of research and reading, and found that the engineer and fireman actually had to work together to make the old steamers run at their best. Much respect to the people that operate this beast today. Hot in the winter, nearly unbearable in the summer. You really have to love the job, or you won't last.
I remember seeing an old cartoon where thieves hijack a 4-10-4 locomotive pulling about 20 cars of gold to the US mint. They bomb a bridge and the train falls down the canyon, but he lifts it back onto the tracks. In hindsight, he was probably lifting well over 1,000 tons up a canyon. True madlad
I’m 16 years old and have seen this engine along with many others many, many times, and I always come back to this video. I truly wish more people in my generation held a significant interest in steam locomotives, they are truly machines of beauty.
Must have watched this 30 times. My wife has even passed away since I first saw it. That beast just floats across the crossings she is so fast. The diesel is like "Holy $%^# slow down Ive never been this fast"
@@0v3rr1d3 Diesel locomotive are basically dead weight being pulled by steam locomotive. Its for Air-conditioning to cabin cars, power and dynamic braking control (mandatory safely reasons) Also its to bring broken down steam locomotive home safely , if repairs cannot be performed on site.
I grew up in the 1950's and remember these steam locomotives very well. We lived three houses from the railroad tracks. My wonderful Dad (R.I.P.) worked 38 years for Southern Pacific. Wow, wow, wow, beautiful majestic beasts.
I remember the last locomotive belonging to The Canadian Pacific Railway. It was massive. My dad was yardmaster at Union station in Toronto and took me to see it. I remember him saying to me. “Remember this boy this is a piece of history. This is the end of an era.” I was 7 years old.
That must be the best pacing footage I've ever seen! Both the camera and the locomotive are rock-stady. Steam locomotives have soul. It's almost like they're living creatures. A perfect example of rolling metal sculpture, beautiful, and well maintained!
The equivalent of everyone having a 2019 car, and you drive a 1918 model T just for fun. It’s not about the destination. It’s about the journey. And how you get there.
@@LateRegister Imma beat a dead horse here, you’re saying absolute bullshit. A road locomotive like 844 can go 120. Freighters have no chance. Not even an Amtrak passenger loco.
@mark robertson Yeah, modern locomotive tech is impressive in its own way, I suppose, but for me, once electricity became part of how the work got done in locos, the magic was lost. With steam, you get go really SEE how the work gets done. And holy mackerel, the SHEER engineering and design that went into every aspect of these horses-from the boilers, to the power gear, and all of the high speed orchestration of it all-just blows my mind! And as Shane Singleton says below, it's 200 year old technology!
Not to forget that these beasts were oiled at every stop by the engineer. That's why you always saw them walking around oiling and inspecting at every stop. Not saying it is not done today, the engineer has to walk around the engine and drain water from some of the air systems manually, but it's not the same.
@mark robertson - If it wasn't more efficient, we'd still be using these beauties instead. More efficient = more cost effective, and cost effectiveness is what effects the bottom line, which is what effects the decision from on high on what type of engines to use.
@@wtf-hc3tp yea ,I studied up on it after i commented,,the diesel engine is used for dynamic braking sometimes and keeps ware down on it.i didn't know what I was talking about,lol
Think about the tech and engineering of the 1940s. All of that metal-on-metal contact after all these years amazes me. The precision that these guys attained is astonishing. Look at that hand-wrought monster... I love it!
Steam power is amazing! The men back in the days, when they built this, must've thought, "Yeah, just another locomotive... no biggie." Today I stand in technological awe of what those men took for granted.
Your right! However, if you see the connecting rods in a ordinary automotive engine moving at no more than idle speed, you'd probably have a coronary. Lol
Aside from quicker deteriation of rare important parts and speed limits why the cold feet to Go this fast now? I would give anything to see her go 100mp 😄🙂🚂
See if you can look up the (1939 ?) film which the LMSR (London Midland & Scottish Railway) made of their "Coronation" high speed train on its record breaking inaugural run.
It's pretty cool watching the running gear suspension work as it blasts over grade crossings at 75 MPH - that engine gets bouncy, big drive wheels and all! And I imagine those connecting rods are going to get a good greasing at its destination! This steam engine has a frontal aerodynamic profile of a brick and it's blasting past highway traffic. Raw power indeed! Also that's a DDA40X behind it - two cool things in one consist!
The best part is that she has never been retired. Union Pacific has been running her since 1944, kept her in 1959, and overhauled her in 1960. 77 years of operational service.
844 always knows how to put on a show for her loving fans. And her driver knows how to handle her spectacularly. Look at those drivers dance. The ol' girl has her dancing shoes on all right.
The thing is, the track has to be in almost absolutely perfect condition for anything to run at that sort of speed, even though you're never going to get it totally perfect. Top marks to the track maintenance people. Not glamorous work, but absolutely vital to safe running at any speed. A railway is nothing without it's track.
but why didnt the diesel bounce. im pretty sure a boiler full of water and a tender full of water AND oil should be heavier than the engine and fuel tank in the diesel.
Man that’s a lot of steel going 75mph. I have been fortunate to see a few functional steam locomotives in my lifetime and they are impressive. I love that deep puffing sound, the steam whistle and that brass bell. They would come and go all day and night and I found it peaceful and comforting.
I can tell you, I would soon lose interest and get bored if I had to watch a modern diesel electric going 75 miles per hour down the track. But it is a totally different story watching a 100-year-old steam locomotive doing the same thing. Thanks for the wonderful video!!!!
Amazing sight, thanks for filming and sharing. What I particularly noticed was how advanced the cut-off was, and at 75 mph the safety valves were occasionally lifting!!! Absolutely stunning.
@@justanotheraviator2357 Is there convincing documentation for that. It seems fairly widely believed that the locos regularly exceeded their design speed (variously cited as 90 or 100 mph) but I've not seen references to 125 mph.
Today it is hard to believe that there was a time when the USA could design and build something as beautiful, powerful and useful as this locomotive 😢😢
Indeed there was a time when the "USA could design and build something as beautiful powerful and useful this locomotive" but that time has come and gone. The USA now is building Facebook, Instagram, RUclips, Google, Ring camera, Uber, etc. The entire internet infrastructure used by the entire world was built by US technology, science, and know how. We are still the greatest!
Can you imagine cruising along that road and then all of a sudden, this beast of a machine comes flying by at twice your speed? That’s gotta be an experience.
My favorite steam engine, UP 844! I saw this huge machine when it came into Los Angeles Union Station back in the late 80’s. It’s boiler was still hot. You could feel the heat off of it from 10 ft away. Beautiful!
@@braiansingh9730 same what is that? about to look it up. Edit: just did, it means Head End Power. it is probably there to supply both electricity to the cars and air to the brakes.
scooter800m, I’m not convinced that the diesel was passive throughout. It would make sense to have it help get that old iron horse up to speed and it’s clearly in a position to do that.
This is such a great video and thanks to the UP for putting so much effort into preserving such an important part of history...What a beautiful machine....Steel Thunder at its best......
Just watching this ol' girl gettin' up and you can just feel how great this country was at one time,,,, Every bolt and rivet went into that ol' gal with PRIDE!....... Great Video Steam!
Can we all appreciate what men have built back then, it’s amazing how hard they worked now everything is just so easy, everything is smooth and to the point.
If that's 75 M.P.H., just try to imagine the Mallard doing 126 M.P.H. alongside her. Too bad the Brits didn't keep the Mallard in working order. The 844 and BigBoy 4014 will be historic ambassadors for decades to come.
Mallard is still in running conditions and right now there r 600 pure steam locos in UK running who can run at an average of 90mph. not like the American Engines who either use diesel support of use engine and mobile use as burning supplement opposite to British who still use coal as burning supplement. and for ur info Flying Scotsman is still running since 1923 with ab average speed of 85 mph. u can come to St. Pancras station London and can catch the train for edinburgh. just after 2 stops and 400 miles journey u would be there in 5 hours. and yes when American engines were crawling at the speed of 25 to 35 mph in 1880's City of Trurro ran at the average speed of 80mph and inbetween used to touched 100mph
UP has run 844 several times without a diesel even connected. It just makes sense to have a diesel in line for the dynamic breaking and electric power. The rest of your post is a rambling mash of irrelevant numbers. The railroads in the USA and in England had vastly different variables to deal with. England is a fraction of the size of the USA. The geography in the USA is vastly different from England. Even the regulations involving railroads were different. There were some lines that ran fast in England and there were lines that ran fast in the USA. The big difference is that engines in the USA were hauling longer and much heavier loads. One of the FEF-3 class engines (UP 844 is one) pulled a 1000 ton passenger train at 100 mph with plenty of room to spare (they were designed to run safely at 120 mph) as part of a test. There is talk of some big boys pulling much more at or near 100 mph but there are no firm records of that. At that speed you're hammering the shit out of the rails so I can't blame them for frowning on such speeds.
No one in their right mind would say a Big Boy ran at 100 mph. Its a FREIGHT locomotive meant for hauling heavy trains up grades that non-articulated locomotives couldn't and then hand the train off to a Challenger or a locomotive team for the trip across the plains. Also someone please correct me if I'm wrong but unless given permission isn't max speed for US railroad 80-90 mph.
Big boys were meant to haul loads up grades reaching 1.14% which normally required double heading. Articulation was added because the big boys are +20 feet longer than a challenger. They wanted something much stronger and faster than prior stuff while capable of taking those grades solo. Gordon McCulloh is the one who said that big boys could do 80 mph very smoothly and safely. He's the guy who wrote THE book on UP's history.
As fast as the Mallard or the flying Scotsman are , they could never hold there speed in North America simply because those engines ran on rail lines that ran on much flatter routes with a few very minor grades which in American would be considered speed bumps, and American passenger steam engines pulled way more longer and heavier trains going over steep and intimidating Mountain grades that the mallard and Flying Scotsman would never ever be able to conquer because of their lack of size and Power. The Mallard and the Flying Scotsman could never maintain their speed on places like Donner Pass , Soldier Summit, or Cajon Pass! Union Pacific 844 and other American 4-8-4s including Canadian engines can pull it's own train and still have more than enough power to pull the Mallard or the flying Scotsman and it's train combined at track speed over our steep mountain grades, can your engines do that....... Didn't think so! Engines like Union Pacific 844, Santa Fe 3751, Southern Pacific 4449, Norfolk & Western 611, and Santa Fe 2926 are the equivalent of a man doing a man's job and the Mallard or the flying Scotsman are the equivalent of boys doing a boys job!
I live in Cheyenne Wyoming, I've seen this old girl a few times. She must have been feeling fine on this day, running flat out and sounding great. Thats the one thing about steam engines when they sound great they work great. Great video by the way.
Today we have cars that will easily go twice as fast as this train but can you imagine this back in the day? It was probably mind blowing to witness (it still is).
when steam locomotives were invented, they raced against horses or horse-drawn buggies. Some people used to remark that "anything going that fast must be from the devil!". When they were able to travel at 50mph, some folks thought that would make a woman's uterus fall out! 🤣🤣🤣
I never get tired watching the incredible power of a locomotive really has.Respect to all those responsible for maintaining these beautiful works of engineering.
I am never ceased to be amazed at the precision and ability to have constructed something like this back before advanced computers and that something with this many precision parts and mechanical pieces can run at all. Steam engines really are a work of art
fun to see - the engine is huge, everything runs by clockwork from a boiler, very 19th-century, and getting a load down the road on schedule must take fairly devoted attention - though coaling must be done via wormscrew or something automatic, everybody seems to be gazing forward. What a power plant!
@@williammoses6232 The centipede tender carries 23,000 gallons of water and 6,200 gallons of no.5 fuel oil. The additional yellow auxiliary tenders U.P. uses probably carry around 27,000 gallons of water.
Not an expert, but my Granddad (RIP) was a fireman for the Pennsylvania RR back in the '30's and '40's and he told me how you could tell the skill of the hogger by the stack exhaust. He took me to see a Chessie Safety Express with their Reading T1 when I was a kid. You can tell this locomotive is being fired at optimum efficiency by the track speed and lack of black smoke.
This is an example of real human engineering, passion and something that cannot be duplicated with today's technology. Experts say this can't be replicated and they don't have the ability to build like they did. Kinda sad to think how far we have come yet we don't have the imagination or passion to go back
+DEEREMEYER1 We do have a lot of straight stretches maybe not like the UP but we use to run 70 on the Chicago line for van trains but they cut it back to 60 to save wear and tear on the rails and fuel.
Remember that freight trains are far longer than regular trains, so there are speed limits in place in order to reduce the time it takes to stop. Freight locomotives always have a maximum speed of 75 mph anyway, and the tracks themselves often are built in ways that don't handle higher speeds than 60.
+Ben Moak What is a regular train ? do you know what you are talking about ? freight trains can be 1 car or 201 cars and length has nothing to do with it's speed limit, I am an Engineer for CSX and know what I am talking about.
+emdman1959 "regular train" im facepalming a bit myself actually. I meant passenger train. If youre a CSX engineer then you're more qualified than me, I'll take your word for it.
I'm a big sucker for steam engines, and this engine in my eyes has a power and beauty that some other things in the world don't have, also this is nostalgia to me since I saw this when I was like 6, keep ip the good work even if I'm a couple years late on saying it
@@Pickchore Well this locomotive was made in the USA by ALCO in 1944. If you are talking about the invention of the steam locomotive, well that was in the UK of course but every country went their own path.
Sonic: I go fast! Sawnic: My body gives me the ability to move at a quick pace! Sawnnick: I have been giving the required amount of acceleration to rapidly ascend forward! 844: *speed*
I can imagine all the wonderful journeys my ancestors took through these beauties to eventually meet the love of their lives, eventually bringing me into existence. Gosh these kind of videos bring a tear to my eye every time.
This is to David Poor's comment regarding the design of this locomotive by slide rule and math equations. The 1994 Northridge earthquake; the bridges which remained intact were the ones which were designed with slide rules and math equations. Basically, they were over built. The bridges which did collapse were the ones which used computer modeling and built at the minimal acceptable tolerance.
"What a sight" 75mph... amazing what man could build all those years ago!! That is fantastic. Would love to get to the states and see any of the 844, Challanger or Big boy one day. Great video....I keep watching it!!!!!!
You won't regret it! Big Boy does most of UP's excursions now (844 does run occasionally though), and whenever it runs, it is nothing short of spectacular.
You know what is really amazing about this machine and all it's brethren?? These machines were built using only pencils, slide rules, drafting tables and paper. There were no computers back then. It was all done with mathematics. When you stop and think about all that weight on those drivers spinning around at 75MPH, that is TONS of weight in motion, and it's all balanced to the pound!! When you think of these things being designed and built in 1944 with pencil and paper, and brain power, it's amazing w=how things got done!!!!
And no chinese wiring harnesses!
David Poor It's like I have said for years all the really smart people have already been here and gone .
To be fair, the principles are all the same today, we use the same math and the same equations. Calculus, geometry, and stress analysis have been around for a long time. Computers mostly just help speed up the boring stuff for that sort of pure mechanical design. There are some things like fluid dynamics and complex failure mechanisms where computer simulations have been serious game-changers, though.
The design limit for UP844 was 120 mph. 75mph is a relatively relaxed pace for a 4-8-4 Northern. She's more limited by track conditions then anything today.
All the momentum created by those connecting rods (or bars) on the drive wheels must have been hard to compensate for, especially at high speeds. I mean we have similar back & forth motions in modern internal combustion engines but none of the parts weigh anywhere near as much as the parts on these old steam locomotives. And can you imagine anything being accidentally blown into all that motion - it would be chopped up like a buzz saw.
We should all THANK the Union Pacific, for keeping steam alive. It speaks volumes for the company and the people who work for it. THANK YOU VERY MUCH for all your efforts much appreciated by the citizens (old geezers).
northerntraveller yeah plus the restoration of a big boy
I'm young and love old steamers. I was raised on The Polar Express and Thomas the Tank Engine.
Thankyou U.P. from Canada
It also produces a very dangerous word - Pollution
@@adonissss3782 who cares
can definitely verify. I counted 100 rotations in about 19 seconds at the 5:00 mark. That = 18,947 rotations in an hour. With 80" drivers, that = 4,761,993 inches per hour which is 75.16 MPH :)
You beast to actually did the math! Did you slow down the footage to count?
@@bonda_racing3579 yep! I blew up the footage and counted the rotations at half speed then reverified at .25 and .75 just to be sure. Sometimes digital "film" can skip, especially when it's streaming, so I counted 3 times total, once at each speed :)
@@RNJuiceable the one who no one wanted buy we all needed
wow! true commitment! thanks for sharing!
This train is maybe my favorite. The wheels are stunning when it's parked, they are taller than a person. And it's truly shocking how fast the connecting rods and piston are going. I think they said that this train uses roller bearings on the connecting rods, and the connecting rods need re-greased at least every 150 miles. So you basically have modern metallurgy (modern enough) with super hard connecting rods that are as thin as possible because they are extremely strong steel alloy, with roller bearings on each attachment point at the wheels (big end rod bearings). Still, it's shocking to see it going 75mph, because of how large and heavy the parts are.
The. locomotive is stationary, it's the earth moving from the sheer power
Never thought I’d see you here
So UP 844 made the earth its bitch?
Yep, it did
@@James-the-idiot😁👍Now this train🚂 has way more character then a European super train 🚅 that averages 360 kph
Everybody talks about how impressive the European and Japanese bullet trains are. I get choked up seeing such a great old horse showing that she's still got it. Basically 200 year old technology. Majestic and powerful.
+hallis1 She's always had the capability to still do this when out on runs. ^^ More problem is just that nowadays, for running these speeds, if the consist is long enough to require diesel assist, that assist has either gotta come from the surviving Big Jack, UP 6936, as was the case here, or an Amtrak GE Genesis needs to be hooked up! UP's heritage E-units might be able to as well.
The reason is that UP's SD70's and GEVO's are geared for freight pulling, NOT passenger pulling, and the absolute maximum speed they can safely run is 75 mph before they become just dead weight. Track speed limitations for the particular trip also play a huge role. Still though, 844 is still easily capable of reaching 100+ mph, problem finding the trackage and diesel assist for long consists that can handle running close to 100 as well. XDD
+Patriot1776 why are diesel assist locomotives neccessary?
LutzDerLurch Firstly to allow longer excursions trains to be pulled up severe grades than would otherwise be possible with UP 844 alone. This is especially critical on trips to Sacramento, California over the Sierra Nevada mountains and Donner Pass. 844's maximum tractive effort is only about as much one GP40-2 locomotive, and that's AFTER she gets some speed built up. She was built as a passenger locomotive after all, not as a coal-dragging freight engine, so she needs the extra pulling grunt of a diesel helper when pulling long excursions of 20-25 cars or more. Secondly, the diesel helper's dynamic brakes save brake wear on the vintage passenger equipment often hauled behind 844.
Patriot1776
So basically, the Steam locomotive pulls trains heavier than it originally would have, so in critical spots she has some backup?
Correct. There is an old adage among long-time railroaders, especially the dwindling ones who witnessed dieselization first hand: steam engines are capable of pulling trains they initially cannot get moving, while diesels cannot truly pull trains they can get moving initially, and that applies here.
This is because steam locomotives have lower tractive effort from a standing start, but once moving gain additional tractive effort up to a certain speed, where they are capable of pulling their hardest. Diesel-electric locomotives on the other hand, generate their greatest pulling power from a standing start and once moving, a diesel-electric's tractive effort diminishes the higher the speed due to traction motors trying to act more and more like their own generators. That is a phenomenon that ALL electric motors will have and is why electric motors have less torque the faster they run.
With longer excursions than she pulled in revenue service, 844 needs some backup initially to get things moving, but once moving on level track, she can usually handle things herself. But when severe slopes and climbs come along, the diesel lends its grunt as speed drops to keep 844 from being completely overwhelmed.
Imagine being on the highway and getting passed by a steam locomotive, this is some awesome filming.
I know
@@jhull7490 So many people think steam locomotives were slow.
They were very fast. All the big passenger train companies competed for passengers with speed.
I mean if she gives it all she’s neck to neck with most cars on the road. The record top speed for the 800s is 120mph just 6mph behind Mallard. Real impressive for a chunky engine with no streamlining at all
Smudger_RXR makes you wonder what they could have achieved with proper streamlining
I can imagine being on my old '83 Kawasaki KZ 1100 A-3 ripping right along with her.
It's almost unreal how fast that iron horse is going, truly impressive 😀
@silverbird58 right! He can't go any faster due to the 79mph limit on the line. Take it our in rural lines and let her loose
2:16 look there's a diesel locomotive
Going 75 mph, vmax 120 mph. Impressive for this relative small coupled wheels.
Vintage works ✌️✌️✌️
shes moving less then 75% of her normal speed back in the day. sad really.she hardley pulls any weight iether.
Let's take a moment to appreciate how steady the camera is.
His pacing videos are always superb!
So smooth it ran off with his wife.
It so smooth its shocking
As an engineer, one of the coolest things about watching a steam locomotive run balls out is knowing that it is also running at peak efficiency.
The balls aren't even all the way out. IIRC, 844 could do 125, but that would be insane to do with something irreplaceable :)
6 % peak efficiency?
I don't think anyone is paying attention to that diesel locomotive just aft of the tender cars. I am sure it is lending a hand so the old girl don't get stressed out and blow up.
@@thekingsilverado3266 most of the time the diesel loco is used only provide to electricity to to the cabs.
@@johnmekansi1230 and also dynamic braking
There's just something oddly satisfying with brutal, raw power, thundering across the countryside like nothing in the world can stop it. Fabolous video, and good job by the cameraman!
I was lucky enough to see a monster train like this in Australia's outback pulling a set of cars over 7 miles long... it literally took about 7-8 minutes for that train to pass the small outpost depot I was watching from...absolutely awesome...
Dude, nothing *Will* stop them!
It’ll either chicken out, or get smooshed!
Probably chicken out.
Only thing stopping these things would either be track suddenly becoming nonexistent or hitting a small black hole
I find there is something satisfying about slicing steam locos apart with cutting torches and melting down the scrap.
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Man that thing is hauling ass. Imagine getting outpaced on the highway by a beautiful piece of history
Imagine sitting in a farm field just having recovered after the despression + WW2 and seeing this blitz by. Far cry from Dad's junker Model T he bought used that only rarely gets used in emergencies and to shop in the next town over occasionally.
Well after WW2, the US was actually doing great, booming economy, everyone was coming home, so it was mostly, West Russia, Europe, the territory of the Japanese Empire and Hawaii that had to recover
america was founded on the backs of these big bad boys, its a shame america moved towards cars as main transport the rail in amaerica could be some of the worlds best. id pay top dollar to go on holliday there to ride one of these bad boys.
@@NORKIE the auto industry bought up the majority of the tracks and had them pulled up so only fright trains continued. It’s really sad because the train was an inexpensive way to travel
Far better then the noisy sh.. so called music i hear when the minorities come past the house.
I have to say, the camera work and driving was so smooth that I almost though this wasn’t real
It's stabilized video.
*When you're late for work in 1909*
I get the joke, but this was built in 1944.
Eagle Eye if you get the joke, why correct someone?
Waterthedogs_ Because he probably doesn’t know it was built in 1944?
@@rieleyslocum870 because
*K N O W L E D G E*
Lol
Now THAT is a Machine doing what she was born to do... Almost brings a tear to the eye...literally
I shed a tear and not ashamed of it. Seeing an iron horse hauling it is like viewing the manifest destiny in action.
She was born to be pushed by a diesel?
@@ZodiacSam the diesel is there as a fail-safe and for the dynamic braking required by the FRA. It's actually not doing much of anything other than being dragged along the rails just like all the other unpowered cars. 844 has a top speed of 110 mph so is just cruising here at slightly under 70% of full output.
@@danielkeene3852 Around 1993-1994 the steam engine 819 Cotton Belt I believe would travel from it's home base Pine Bluff to some where in Texas. This was an annual trip.
My son and I would always see it stop in Camden Arkansas for a little bit.
We would follow along beside the train and it would be at 70 to 75MPH.
UNION PACIFIC made some rule about not letting any steam engine use their trackage unless the locomotive belonged to them.
I still have the memories.
I just teared up right now watching this lol😭
Can't help but cry watching this/ I was just a kid at the death of steam, Dad was a fireman and engineer and taught me the fine points of firing. I was the only kid (8) in the neighborhood that could handle a #2 coal scoop and put it in the firebox without losing a nugget of coal.
Thanks for sharing that little "nugget" from your memories. My husband and I both believe we were born in the wrong era. Steam trains are just to familiar to our hearts.
I used to ride on stem locomotives as a boy.Miss them sometimes.
Thank you for sharing your story.
All the best.
I learned how to run a train when I was a teenager.
I befriended a local crew that did their turn around my hometown.
Later, I did a bit of research and reading, and found that the engineer and fireman actually had to work together to make the old steamers run at their best.
Much respect to the people that operate this beast today.
Hot in the winter, nearly unbearable in the summer.
You really have to love the job, or you won't last.
Damn you must be old!
Same here..... my dad left school at 15 and became a fireman working on the Great Western Railway out of Canton Sheds, Cardiff, South Wales.
These old locomotive are a thousand time cooler than anything made today
Sadly they’re highly inefficient - so much wasted energy
@@abdullahal-shimri3091 so are cars and we still drive them.
@@abdullahal-shimri3091 So is the human brain, not much getting around that one...
When they say that Superman is "more powerful than a locomotive", this is what they wanted you to picture.
I remember seeing an old cartoon where thieves hijack a 4-10-4 locomotive pulling about 20 cars of gold to the US mint. They bomb a bridge and the train falls down the canyon, but he lifts it back onto the tracks. In hindsight, he was probably lifting well over 1,000 tons up a canyon. True madlad
@@Park_Place I have never seen that but it just makes my think of a scene In toy story. I'm willing to bet it was a reference to that
Supes could fart this thing into the future.
@@thealgorithm2841 r/brandnewsentence
I always thought that the phrase was, "More powerful than a speeding locomotive"...???
Can you imagine seeing this back in the day.
Wait.....the Overland Limited only had 21 cars tho?
It's more impressive nowadays, imo
How old that beast is, and its still hauling ass
As I understand it, 844 has been on UP's active duty roster from day 1. She has never been retired.
True. Making the 844 the only steam locomotive never retired by a North American Class I railroad.
How much power does one of this hve
And may she never.
@@mihailpetrovici5044 big boys 7000 HP or 6300hp challengers 5500 HP 800 class or 844 4000/5000 hp
@@rayan_michael7627 noice, all fron some damn steam, true enginering
I’m 16 years old and have seen this engine along with many others many, many times, and I always come back to this video. I truly wish more people in my generation held a significant interest in steam locomotives, they are truly machines of beauty.
Must have watched this 30 times. My wife has even passed away since I first saw it. That beast just floats across the crossings she is so fast. The diesel is like "Holy $%^# slow down Ive never been this fast"
Why is the diesel there tho? I keep seeing it in all these videos with 844 and 4014
@@0v3rr1d3 Brakes and electricity.
@@0v3rr1d3 Diesel locomotive are basically dead weight being pulled by steam locomotive. Its for Air-conditioning to cabin cars, power and dynamic braking control (mandatory safely reasons) Also its to bring broken down steam locomotive home safely , if repairs cannot be performed on site.
Looks like centennial 6944 is the diesel in the consist. They were made to run 80mph.
@@garyvinyard4583 - This is correct. In fact, UP had the "Fast 40s" SD-40s designed to keep up with the Centennials.
I grew up in the 1950's and remember these steam locomotives very well. We lived three houses from the railroad tracks. My wonderful Dad (R.I.P.) worked 38 years for Southern Pacific. Wow, wow, wow, beautiful majestic beasts.
@@milesdavidbanks3172 Thank you so much.
I remember the last locomotive belonging to The Canadian Pacific Railway. It was massive. My dad was yardmaster at Union station in Toronto and took me to see it. I remember him saying to me. “Remember this boy this is a piece of history. This is the end of an era.” I was 7 years old.
That must be the best pacing footage I've ever seen! Both the camera and the locomotive are rock-stady.
Steam locomotives have soul. It's almost like they're living creatures. A perfect example of rolling metal sculpture, beautiful, and well maintained!
I too liked Shining TIme Station but take a look at Clear Track Ahead, a PRR promotional film; it has the same camera angle but aboard a T-1 at speed!
HappyToBeReligionFree ...It is a living creature.
..prolly the best comment on this whole vid..and 'why would you dislike this' gets more thumbs up...crazy people
They are living creatures, I mean theyr'e not called Iron Horses for nothing.
Locomotive might be rock-stead, but that tender is bouncing an awful lot!
"Babe come over"
"I can't I'm driving a train"
"My parents aren't home"
hmmmmmm :v
Lol
Good one! 😁😁😁😁
Lmaoo
*Crashes the train through her living room wall* "You called?"
The equivalent of everyone having a 2019 car, and you drive a 1918 model T just for fun. It’s not about the destination. It’s about the journey. And how you get there.
Except the Model T is passing up Porches on the highway
@silverbird58 actually, sd40s are rated for about 3000hp,844 is making around 6000/7000hp in a good day so, no, it wont get outrun by diesels
@@turbocavalli a P42DC can probably pass 844 if it really tried
@@LateRegister
Imma beat a dead horse here, you’re saying absolute bullshit. A road locomotive like 844 can go 120. Freighters have no chance.
Not even an Amtrak passenger loco.
@@manitoba-op4jx Might have understated the failure on the Porsche but otherwise you're correct
The next time a kid asks you "why do I NEED to learn MATH and physics?" Show them this.
@mark robertson Yeah, modern locomotive tech is impressive in its own way, I suppose, but for me, once electricity became part of how the work got done in locos, the magic was lost. With steam, you get go really SEE how the work gets done. And holy mackerel, the SHEER engineering and design that went into every aspect of these horses-from the boilers, to the power gear, and all of the high speed orchestration of it all-just blows my mind! And as Shane Singleton says below, it's 200 year old technology!
Not to forget that these beasts were oiled at every stop by the engineer.
That's why you always saw them walking around oiling and inspecting at every stop.
Not saying it is not done today, the engineer has to walk around the engine and drain water from some of the air systems manually, but it's not the same.
mark robertson it is more efficient though, lol. If it wasn’t we wouldn’t be using it.
@mark robertson - If it wasn't more efficient, we'd still be using these beauties instead. More efficient = more cost effective, and cost effectiveness is what effects the bottom line, which is what effects the decision from on high on what type of engines to use.
There's an excellent movie " The Train " it might be worth a viewing.
What a machine!
We lost something when we stopped using steam.
We didint, its terribly effective to haul very large cargo with that. Steam is about power.
@@yegorgribenuke6853
I dont see steam used at all
not really a diesel engine is pushing it.
v7nf Nope, the steam engine is doing the work.
@@wtf-hc3tp yea ,I studied up on it after i commented,,the diesel engine is used for dynamic braking sometimes and keeps ware down on it.i didn't know what I was talking about,lol
Think about the tech and engineering of the 1940s. All of that metal-on-metal contact after all these years amazes me. The precision that these guys attained is astonishing. Look at that hand-wrought monster... I love it!
She looks so great and runs and sounds so even like a swiss watch.
Steam power is amazing! The men back in the days, when they built this, must've thought, "Yeah, just another locomotive... no biggie." Today I stand in technological awe of what those men took for granted.
its insane to watch all those crank rods flying around at such high speed, this defiantly aint no chinese made steel.
pure, American muscle
aussi3212 Word word. American virgin steel built these locomotives. Virgin steel means steel thats fresh from the earth thats never been recycled.
The only revenue freight trains left in the world today IS Chinese locomotives haha
Your right! However, if you see the connecting rods in a ordinary automotive engine moving at no more than idle speed, you'd probably have a coronary. Lol
you are right sir
In all my years of train watching, I have never seen a steam locomotive go this fast. This is incredible. Thank you so much for sharing this with us.
they went faster back in the day.
Aside from quicker deteriation of rare important parts and speed limits why the cold feet to Go this fast now? I would give anything to see her go 100mp 😄🙂🚂
See if you can look up the (1939 ?) film which the LMSR (London Midland & Scottish Railway) made of their "Coronation" high speed train on its record breaking inaugural run.
It's a masterpiece at its finest and it moves so gracefully.
I remember being out west and seeing crossing signs that warned, "Caution, trains move at 80 MPH. Look twice before crossing."
Insane knowing that I watched this same loco fly by at 80 mph when I was 5, I was 25 ft away, that thing is massive
thing weighs almost a million pounds with just the engine alone
It's pretty cool watching the running gear suspension work as it blasts over grade crossings at 75 MPH - that engine gets bouncy, big drive wheels and all! And I imagine those connecting rods are going to get a good greasing at its destination! This steam engine has a frontal aerodynamic profile of a brick and it's blasting past highway traffic. Raw power indeed! Also that's a DDA40X behind it - two cool things in one consist!
A train that old hauling ass is a miracle... i clap my hands to the engineers of that time
That locomotive has been over 100mph before, they were the last passenger steam locomotives ordered by the UP, and they were fast.
The best part is that she has never been retired. Union Pacific has been running her since 1944, kept her in 1959, and overhauled her in 1960. 77 years of operational service.
844 always knows how to put on a show for her loving fans. And her driver knows how to handle her spectacularly. Look at those drivers dance. The ol' girl has her dancing shoes on all right.
👍👍👍
+HankAmericanEngine Shes even showing that young buck DDA how she pulled trains in her day!
it is a 4 8 4 wheel configuration, not an 8 4 4
@ steve watson 844 is the trains number not wheel config
HankAmericanEngine i just love steam engines she looks sexy and beautiful
If you were unlucky enough to be caught on the tracks when this is coming at you, your ghost would probably leave before it even hit.
Brian E. Scott
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That's a beautiful engine, but, I'd probably crap my pants if I was ever in its path. That thing is a beast!
And crows in near by trees get free doorstep delivery of just exploded fresh meat.
I love the way it bounces around on the track, must have some pretty good springs on there considering it weighs 450+ tons
The thing is, the track has to be in almost absolutely perfect condition for anything to run at that sort of speed, even though you're never going to get it totally perfect. Top marks to the track maintenance people. Not glamorous work, but absolutely vital to safe running at any speed. A railway is nothing without it's track.
I think it's fantastic that UP keeps these old trains operating. What a great way to preserve American heritage. I hope they keep it up.
Thank you Union Pacific for restoring, running and maintaining these wonderful pieces of American Iron!
2:21 I saw that bounce when they went over the crossing
Thundertrain2930 yeah same
It achieved flight
That had to make them hold their breath for a second!
The crossing tried to run away...
but why didnt the diesel bounce. im pretty sure a boiler full of water and a tender full of water AND oil should be heavier than the engine and fuel tank in the diesel.
Man that’s a lot of steel going 75mph. I have been fortunate to see a few functional steam locomotives in my lifetime and they are impressive. I love that deep puffing sound, the steam whistle and that brass bell. They would come and go all day and night and I found it peaceful and comforting.
I can tell you, I would soon lose interest and get bored if I had to watch a modern diesel electric going 75 miles per hour down the track. But it is a totally different story watching a 100-year-old steam locomotive doing the same thing. Thanks for the wonderful video!!!!
Shes only 76
Amazing sight, thanks for filming and sharing.
What I particularly noticed was how advanced the cut-off was, and at 75 mph the safety valves were occasionally lifting!!!
Absolutely stunning.
She can make 120 flat out
@@justanotheraviator2357 Is there convincing documentation for that. It seems fairly widely believed that the locos regularly exceeded their design speed (variously cited as 90 or 100 mph) but I've not seen references to 125 mph.
Today it is hard to believe that there was a time when the USA could design and build something as beautiful, powerful and useful as this locomotive 😢😢
Alfonso Llana, bitchasd liberals ruined everything. Time to get the guns out
Indeed there was a time when the "USA could design and build something as beautiful powerful and useful this locomotive" but that time has come and gone. The USA now is building Facebook, Instagram, RUclips, Google, Ring camera, Uber, etc. The entire internet infrastructure used by the entire world was built by US technology, science, and know how. We are still the greatest!
Can you imagine cruising along that road and then all of a sudden, this beast of a machine comes flying by at twice your speed? That’s gotta be an experience.
My favorite steam engine, UP 844! I saw this huge machine when it came into Los Angeles Union Station back in the late 80’s. It’s boiler was still hot. You could feel the heat off of it from 10 ft away. Beautiful!
I've loved Steam Locomotives since I was a Kid....I'm still mesmerized by them!!
Thanks RUclips!!!
Keep in mind the diesel is not a helper. It supplies HEP and dynamic braking only
I was about to ask about that! What is hep?
@@braiansingh9730 same what is that? about to look it up.
Edit: just did, it means Head End Power. it is probably there to supply both electricity to the cars and air to the brakes.
But even if the diesel supplied no additional traction its mass is quite substantial and lent the steam engine a heck of a lot of momentum.
@@SteveMacD927 true, but the steamer had to put that momentum in.
scooter800m, I’m not convinced that the diesel was passive throughout. It would make sense to have it help get that old iron horse up to speed and it’s clearly in a position to do that.
Points to the camera car "some guy is pacing us!"
"Is it a cop?"
"No"
gives whistle salute/show
Pretty sure that's meant more as a warning every time it crosses a road
I'm still hypnotised by the valve gear going round and round 🤯
Very nice pacing video! It's the first time I've seen the locomotive "bounce" with the suspension. Thanks for posting.
This is such a great video and thanks to the UP for putting so much effort into preserving such an important part of history...What a beautiful machine....Steel Thunder at its best......
All that machinery and mechanisms at work going that fast. Simply amazing
That's crazy that "drive bar" moving that fast! Awesome engineering and the metallurgy they used in those days!
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You can't even see the return crank!
It helps that it was probably overbuilt, instead of being designed to be "barely strong enough" like a lot of modern things.
@@cymond be
man! you did an excellent job of pacing that MONSTER engine GREAT! JOB!
Just watching this ol' girl gettin' up and you can just feel how great this country was at one time,,,, Every bolt and rivet went into that ol' gal with PRIDE!....... Great Video Steam!
the folks building Boeing Jet Aircraft feel the same way.. and Lodge Cast Iron Cookware has been made in the USA for many decades...with pride...
To roll on train tracks built on cheap, disposable immigrant labor in dangerous conditions where thousands died.
It was great because this country was once white.
Now coinciding this foreign invasion we’re failing as a country.
+patbelski The working class was subject to harsh and dangerous working conditions throughout the world, immigrant or not.
Boeing got MAJORLY busted for drug activity in one of their plants...
Can we all appreciate what men have built back then, it’s amazing how hard they worked now everything is just so easy, everything is smooth and to the point.
If that's 75 M.P.H., just try to imagine the Mallard doing 126 M.P.H. alongside her. Too bad the Brits didn't keep the Mallard in working order. The 844 and BigBoy 4014 will be historic ambassadors for decades to come.
Mallard is still in running conditions and right now there r 600 pure steam locos in UK running who can run at an average of 90mph. not like the American Engines who either use diesel support of use engine and mobile use as burning supplement opposite to British who still use coal as burning supplement. and for ur info Flying Scotsman is still running since 1923 with ab average speed of 85 mph. u can come to St. Pancras station London and can catch the train for edinburgh. just after 2 stops and 400 miles journey u would be there in 5 hours. and yes when American engines were crawling at the speed of 25 to 35 mph in 1880's City of Trurro ran at the average speed of 80mph and inbetween used to touched 100mph
UP has run 844 several times without a diesel even connected.
It just makes sense to have a diesel in line for the dynamic breaking and electric power.
The rest of your post is a rambling mash of irrelevant numbers. The railroads in the USA and in England had vastly different variables to deal with. England is a fraction of the size of the USA. The geography in the USA is vastly different from England. Even the regulations involving railroads were different. There were some lines that ran fast in England and there were lines that ran fast in the USA. The big difference is that engines in the USA were hauling longer and much heavier loads. One of the FEF-3 class engines (UP 844 is one) pulled a 1000 ton passenger train at 100 mph with plenty of room to spare (they were designed to run safely at 120 mph) as part of a test. There is talk of some big boys pulling much more at or near 100 mph but there are no firm records of that. At that speed you're hammering the shit out of the rails so I can't blame them for frowning on such speeds.
No one in their right mind would say a Big Boy ran at 100 mph. Its a FREIGHT locomotive meant for hauling heavy trains up grades that non-articulated locomotives couldn't and then hand the train off to a Challenger or a locomotive team for the trip across the plains. Also someone please correct me if I'm wrong but unless given permission isn't max speed for US railroad 80-90 mph.
Big boys were meant to haul loads up grades reaching 1.14% which normally required double heading. Articulation was added because the big boys are +20 feet longer than a challenger. They wanted something much stronger and faster than prior stuff while capable of taking those grades solo.
Gordon McCulloh is the one who said that big boys could do 80 mph very smoothly and safely. He's the guy who wrote THE book on UP's history.
As fast as the Mallard or the flying Scotsman are , they could never hold there speed in North America simply because those engines ran on rail lines that ran on much flatter routes with a few very minor grades which in American would be considered speed bumps, and American passenger steam engines pulled way more longer and heavier trains going over steep and intimidating Mountain grades that the mallard and Flying Scotsman would never ever be able to conquer because of their lack of size and Power. The Mallard and the Flying Scotsman could never maintain their speed on places like Donner Pass , Soldier Summit, or Cajon Pass! Union Pacific 844 and other American 4-8-4s including Canadian engines can pull it's own train and still have more than enough power to pull the Mallard or the flying Scotsman and it's train combined at track speed over our steep mountain grades, can your engines do that....... Didn't think so! Engines like Union Pacific 844, Santa Fe 3751, Southern Pacific 4449, Norfolk & Western 611, and Santa Fe 2926 are the equivalent of a man doing a man's job and the Mallard or the flying Scotsman are the equivalent of boys doing a boys job!
I live in Cheyenne Wyoming, I've seen this old girl a few times. She must have been feeling fine on this day, running flat out and sounding great. Thats the one thing about steam engines when they sound great they work great. Great video by the way.
The camera angle makes it seem like something from a movie I saw once.
probably superman when he’s out running the train lol
It does
Today we have cars that will easily go twice as fast as this train but can you imagine this back in the day? It was probably mind blowing to witness (it still is).
when steam locomotives were invented, they raced against horses or horse-drawn buggies. Some people used to remark that "anything going that fast must be from the devil!". When they were able to travel at 50mph, some folks thought that would make a woman's uterus fall out! 🤣🤣🤣
@@RNJuiceablefunny considering people have gone faster than that skiing downhill
@@kishascape it really is, now that you mention it :D
How do you expect a commerical car to go 240 mph
Character is the difference
Perfect pacing! Thank you! I love seeing her power over the level crossings! It looks the powered wheels fractionally leave the rails for a second!!
Dayyyummmm! A legendary steam loco along with a legendary diesel too?? Amazing sight.
It's pulling it
13 more mph boy!!! put the RED stick in the burner !!!
+t-bird shane i would like to know what this means. why 13 mph? and whats a red stick?
asking from one steam head to another. lol
back to the future 88mph
+kain hall the red stick is the flare that is used to get the fire burning in the firebox
You can't do that, it'll be too much for the engine.. 😂😂 You'll blow the stack right off..(Yet another reference to BTTF III)
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I never get tired watching the incredible power of a locomotive really has.Respect to all those responsible for maintaining these beautiful works of engineering.
Memories of Shining Time Station's opening right here. 844 rolling towards the camera was the one thing I'll never forget about it.
I liked Ringo Starr as "Mr Conductor"
SteamUP definitely
;-);-);-):-(
And the u.p.r.r 844 oddly looking like a huge lionel 2026 steamer too.
Zee
SHE'S STOOD THE TEST OF TIME,,,🚂NOW SHE REALLY HAS HER CHANCE TO REALLY SHINE🚂
Its almost unreal how quickly those huge steel parts are moving. Love steam trains
We know, Doc
Its beating Faster than my Waltham mechanical watch!!
I am never ceased to be amazed at the precision and ability to have constructed something like this back before advanced computers and that something with this many precision parts and mechanical pieces can run at all. Steam engines really are a work of art
Watching a train run is an enchanting experience.
That is so damn cool, I could just sit and watch that awesome piece of machinery all friggin day.
fun to see - the engine is huge, everything runs by clockwork from a boiler, very 19th-century, and getting a load down the road on schedule must take fairly devoted attention - though coaling must be done via wormscrew or something automatic, everybody seems to be gazing forward. What a power plant!
What? No "Automatic" Stoker!
It burns liquid fuels
i believe at present, she burns fuel oil, she's pulling two tenders one with
water, the other has fuel no doubt
It burns no.5 fuel oil.
@@williammoses6232 The centipede tender carries 23,000 gallons of water and 6,200 gallons of no.5 fuel oil. The additional yellow auxiliary tenders U.P. uses probably carry around 27,000 gallons of water.
Not an expert, but my Granddad (RIP) was a fireman for the Pennsylvania RR back in the '30's and '40's and he told me how you could tell the skill of the hogger by the stack exhaust. He took me to see a Chessie Safety Express with their Reading T1 when I was a kid. You can tell this locomotive is being fired at optimum efficiency by the track speed and lack of black smoke.
Brock Landers yeah, its fuel is automatically controlled these days I believe
It's running on oil now
Always amazes me how that mass of whirling metal doesn't tear itself apart. Beautiful locomotive.
Makes my heart well up with pride , to see that we have built such an awesome machine.
This is an example of real human engineering, passion and something that cannot be duplicated with today's technology. Experts say this can't be replicated and they don't have the ability to build like they did.
Kinda sad to think how far we have come yet we don't have the imagination or passion to go back
I can only imagine how much momentum that train has going at 75mph!!
I thought of that, too.
I'm going to sound like a huge nerd but it's 18143694.8 Kg*m/s
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dale garza UP 844 : “k chief, I gotchu.”
Amercan express delivery via polar express
I’m just gonna say that this is how they deliver Amazon prime packages in America
@@julianmrtns1819 polar express is a 2-8-4 and it did not have smoke deflectors.
Jeff Bezos be like
CSX can barely get it's trains to run 60 and here we have a 60 year old steam engine doing it effortlessly.
+DEEREMEYER1 We do have a lot of straight stretches maybe not like the UP but we use to run 70 on the Chicago line for van trains but they cut it back to 60 to save wear and tear on the rails and fuel.
Remember that freight trains are far longer than regular trains, so there are speed limits in place in order to reduce the time it takes to stop. Freight locomotives always have a maximum speed of 75 mph anyway, and the tracks themselves often are built in ways that don't handle higher speeds than 60.
+Ben Moak What is a regular train ? do you know what you are talking about ? freight trains can be 1 car or 201 cars and length has nothing to do with it's speed limit, I am an Engineer for CSX and know what I am talking about.
+DEEREMEYER1 Yes I am.
+emdman1959 "regular train" im facepalming a bit myself actually. I meant passenger train. If youre a CSX engineer then you're more qualified than me, I'll take your word for it.
To see something probably heavier than a prime mover chase rail reciping around like that is mind blowing.
Man, that whistle has the sweetest sound....
Takes us back in time, right?😊
What a beast...
I love it! ♥
great video! always have a love for steam engines, those engines are alive & breathing, a hands on machine!
I'm a big sucker for steam engines, and this engine in my eyes has a power and beauty that some other things in the world don't have, also this is nostalgia to me since I saw this when I was like 6, keep ip the good work even if I'm a couple years late on saying it
Jesus. That beast radiates unstoppable steam engine power. Simply amazing.
What beautiful monsters.....
MADE IN USA....
BOOOOOOORN IN THE USA!!
@@cadetkohr5508 - No, they weren’t born in the USA.
This particular train was built there, that’s all.
@@Pickchore he/she is referencing song lyrics
@@Pickchore Well this locomotive was made in the USA by ALCO in 1944. If you are talking about the invention of the steam locomotive, well that was in the UK of course but every country went their own path.
Well England is where all this was invented
Incredible how people can keep this piece of art going still at high speed and new
13 years later and this video still excites me.
The UP guys claim they limit this thing to 75. I’ve clocked it at 102 through central Utah.
The engineering is beautiful to watch at full speed. Thanks for upload
Sonic: I go fast!
Sawnic: My body gives me the ability to move at a quick pace!
Sawnnick: I have been giving the required amount of acceleration to rapidly ascend forward!
844: *speed*
PRR S1: *acceleration*
*yes*
I can imagine all the wonderful journeys my ancestors took through these beauties to eventually meet the love of their lives, eventually bringing me into existence.
Gosh these kind of videos bring a tear to my eye every time.
Train's hookin' em! Hard imaging they could go over 100 back in the day. Lots of action goin' on with those rods!
It made me sad and nostalgic. Thank you for this lively and lovely video.
2:21 when the train hops a little after the crossing tho
Jeez that must be scary for the driver and fireman
Since it's so so heavy it makes it difficult to derail.
That's quit a bump, good eye. You can see each car react as they go over it.
It does look at times like it’s literally floating over the rails.
This is to David Poor's comment regarding the design of this locomotive by slide rule and math equations. The 1994 Northridge earthquake; the bridges which remained intact were the ones which were designed with slide rules and math equations. Basically, they were over built. The bridges which did collapse were the ones which used computer modeling and built at the minimal acceptable tolerance.
"What a sight" 75mph... amazing what man could build all those years ago!! That is fantastic. Would love to get to the states and see any of the 844, Challanger or Big boy one day. Great video....I keep watching it!!!!!!
You won't regret it! Big Boy does most of UP's excursions now (844 does run occasionally though), and whenever it runs, it is nothing short of spectacular.