We don't know it's actual horsepower figure... there wasn't any way they could verify it... so during it's operational years, the horsepower figures went up and up because 4014 managed to keep pulling more and more coal... until it was retired from service and put into storage.
@@KayoMichiels just as hyce put it, steam can pull anything but the issue is starting it While diesel electric can start anything but can't pull everything* edit: changed anything to everything to be more accurate for diesels
Imagine being the random guy who wasn’t even intentionally there watching this happen. “Hey, they said that train would probably stuck for a long time. What changed?… Holy shit, that is the biggest train I have ever seen in my life.”
Correction of someone else's correction. 4014 as according to Ed himself is now a 7000 horsepower 610 ton leviathan. She might pump out 7200 if everything is JUST so. But right at 7k is where she is now.
5729/4264: We can't do it! 4014: I will do it! 5729/4264: We Can't Do It!! 4014: I Will Do It!! 5729/4264: WE CAN'T DO IT!!! 4014: I WILL DO IT!!! *Later* Crews of stalled freight train: (Grateful) Thank you so much, 4014, Ed Dickens, and the UP Steam crew! 5729/4264: We've done it! WE'VE DONE IT!! WE'VE DONE IT!!! (Saying proudly but ungrateful to 4014 since being a steam locomotive) 4014: (Sad after the diesels left without thanking the Big Boy) Your crews thanked me, but aren't you young Diesels ever going to say "thank you"? (But changed to happy for being helpful)
In Germany where I live, there is a Railway Nostalgia group with their own steam engine who are helping out with railroad constructions quite often. They don't get as many sorties with their steam engine for historical purposes, and their engine is rated for massive weights, so a couple track parts or long gravel trains are nothing for it. And they get it out, get it moved, and their fuel is covered by the construction company.
@@Mauscmkwk probably not. In some videos there is wheelslip, they weren't going very fast, and 4014 had massive stack talk. All signs he was running near max
When Nerbraska 66 said in there song roll on big boy they said right before the first chorus “the last of all her class(referring to big boy 4014) she survives from out the past, to show the power of steam in modern time” no one could have known how right they were
@TheCursedGrandmaster all northern, bigboys and challengers where built with a Handcock 3 chime (iirc) so I'm pretty sure 844 still has its original whistle it was built with. But that's why they sound the same. 3585 had its whistle replaced by one Steve Lee had made himself
Winston Churchill once said "the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old" as part of his speech to the House of Commons after the evacuation of Dunkirk during World War II. This is a story in reverse: the old world 844 & 4014, with all their power and might, step forth to the rescue of the new. Steam locomotives. . . the engine that built America, the prime mover of our forefathers and of the Greatest Generation. Let's hope they never die.
When UP got 4014 working, they retired 3985 and donated her to Railroading Heritage of Midwest America, who's in the process of restoring her to service.
3985 did that trip on customer request, but it did see a brief return to regular service when it happened to be around to fill a desperate local power shortage.
Just wait for 3985 to come back. I bet you it would happen to her as well. I mean, if she could haul a 143 car double stack at speed she can shove a measly freight train.
I still don't understand why they don't make 8:44 and 4014 pull some freight every once in awhile that would be really really cool to see them guys working.
There's no point to it. Sure, they can assist when a freight train is stuck and they happen to be readily available, but from UP's perspective, it doesn't make sense to overwork the engines. Both of them will only get older, and their parts will wear down. But they will wear down a lot less if they are only pulling excursions. Now if something similar to 3985 hauling a container train happened again, then yes, you can see them hauling freight. Which 4014 is already kinda doing now, as you can see she's pulling hopper cars behind her in some of the recent excursions.
I mean, like he says, they're spaced 25 years apart. One fortunate meetup between stalled freight and steam train per quarter century hardly seems out of the realm of possibility!
As for the 844 rescue, was this the event where Steve Lee recounted they coupled to the train, open the throttle and they didn’t move for quite awhile ….then then train started to creep forward and roll? The 844 has a 300 psi boiler…..they had 100% steam pressure in the steam chest and it did not slip before moving? If so impressive and a frightening. The staggering forces at work and the drivers still bit fast to the rail? 😎
Some railroads retired steam engines earlier then others for a variety of reasons. In the west, railroads retired their engines either earlier or somewhat later due to either an ease of switching to diesels, since most steam engines in the west burned oil, or some railroads in the west had close access to oil, and had easy fuel very close. East Coast railroads had the situation. The Norfolk and Western retired their steam engines much later because they made a name for themselves hauling coal. They owned several coal mines, so they had an endless amount of fuel for their steam engines. But if you’re stating that railroads should have their steam engines in reserve if something like this happens, keep in mind that all steam locomotives in the United States for the big railroads were retired by the early 1960s. The last one to be retired, with the exception of 844, was in the late 1980s. But the other reason is that there is no point for a steam engine used for publicity events to be pushing freight trains on the regular. Sure, it’s awesome to see. But from the freight railroad perspective, more working means more maintenance for these machines. 844 and 4014 in both these cases were used because it was the only logical option. No other diesel was available to help.
4014 has 6200 horse power, not 8000.
Whoops! Thanks for the correction!
We don't know it's actual horsepower figure... there wasn't any way they could verify it... so during it's operational years, the horsepower figures went up and up because 4014 managed to keep pulling more and more coal... until it was retired from service and put into storage.
@@KayoMichiels just as hyce put it, steam can pull anything but the issue is starting it
While diesel electric can start anything but can't pull everything*
edit: changed anything to everything to be more accurate for diesels
the big boy had anywhere from 6200 hp to 7000 hp
@@AkiUwUx3 Yes, well said. He is not GOD per say but he is educated to do the math
Wheel slip doesn't mean that an engine is weak.
It just means it's got more power than needed.
It means that it's got more power than it can put into the rails.
@@michaelbujaki2462 they might have rough horse power numbers for 4014 but torque... YES.
Imagine being the random guy who wasn’t even intentionally there watching this happen.
“Hey, they said that train would probably stuck for a long time. What changed?… Holy shit, that is the biggest train I have ever seen in my life.”
Correction of someone else's correction. 4014 as according to Ed himself is now a 7000 horsepower 610 ton leviathan. She might pump out 7200 if everything is JUST so. But right at 7k is where she is now.
Thanks for the updated info.
Well done, 844 and 4014! You two are a credit to the Union Pacific Railroad!
5729/4264: We can't do it!
4014: I will do it!
5729/4264: We Can't Do It!!
4014: I Will Do It!!
5729/4264: WE CAN'T DO IT!!!
4014: I WILL DO IT!!!
*Later*
Crews of stalled freight train: (Grateful) Thank you so much, 4014, Ed Dickens, and the UP Steam crew!
5729/4264: We've done it! WE'VE DONE IT!! WE'VE DONE IT!!! (Saying proudly but ungrateful to 4014 since being a steam locomotive)
4014: (Sad after the diesels left without thanking the Big Boy) Your crews thanked me, but aren't you young Diesels ever going to say "thank you"? (But changed to happy for being helpful)
UP 844 and 4014 are heroes!
@@transportationproductions1794 long life to the iron horses
No one is better than the 844 and the big boy
Definitely not 611 thats for sure overformed streamliner wont push lol
I can confirm that up 4014 actually needed a diesel so 844 was actually the only steam one that saved a freight train
A true tribute to all boilermakers the world over ❤
Those engines read Super Rescue from the Railway Series and they thought, “We can do that, but better”
Being a Thomas fan I can just hear 884 congratulating 4014 on banking its first train and doing it with style
Steam Locomotives are truly remarkable . They don't get older ,they get better.
Now that's steam power to the rescue
In Germany where I live, there is a Railway Nostalgia group with their own steam engine who are helping out with railroad constructions quite often.
They don't get as many sorties with their steam engine for historical purposes, and their engine is rated for massive weights, so a couple track parts or long gravel trains are nothing for it.
And they get it out, get it moved, and their fuel is covered by the construction company.
Now all you need left is a video about the 3985 consistently pulling freight, which include records very similar to the ones 844 and 4014 have.
That intermodal haul may come sooner then later.
@@TrainGuru Alright I can’t wait to see it!
Just like in the Railway Series book Enterprising Engines, the story Super Rescue.
Life imitates art.
Reverend Wilbert Awdry would be amused.
844/4014: I’d thought they be laughing at us! Now the jokes on them!
4014 could have pulled it by itself
Agreed. That engine can pull a lot more. But there’s no point in straining the engine, let the diesels struggle.
@@Mauscmkwk probably not. In some videos there is wheelslip, they weren't going very fast, and 4014 had massive stack talk. All signs he was running near max
Great story. Kinda reminds me of some old Thomas the Train videos. I'm glad you still have time to produce these amazing videos.
Thank you very much!
3:30 4:37 8:25
I mean god damn this gives me the chills lmao. Brilliant sound.
This video helps show that steam power can still perform when it is needed most. Simply amazing video. ❤️👏😎
Yes! Thank you!
@@TrainGuru No problem. 👍
Those steamers definitely proved their worth.
They sure have. I would say 844’s shove was more impressive.
Awesome video your voice has really changed over the years
I know!
When Nerbraska 66 said in there song roll on big boy they said right before the first chorus “the last of all her class(referring to big boy 4014) she survives from out the past, to show the power of steam in modern time” no one could have known how right they were
Love that song. Nebraska 66 is one of my favorite country bands.
Could we see something like this again once Challenger 3985 and TTT 5511 are put back in service?
Possibly. But 3985 hauling a freight train would be exceptionally rare.
Sweet 👍 ! We love steam power!! Especially when it's time for me to go to work! Yes! I work in a steam power House!
This was awsome
Di yall know 844 has 4014s original whistle
I did not know that!
@TheCursedGrandmaster all northern, bigboys and challengers where built with a Handcock 3 chime (iirc) so I'm pretty sure 844 still has its original whistle it was built with. But that's why they sound the same. 3585 had its whistle replaced by one Steve Lee had made himself
Nice video on two legends of steam.
This is another reason why 3985 was retired, she didn't shove a diesel yet!
lol
She only pulled full tonnage freights at speed unassisted, as well as the circus train even when she was tired on her last trip for the UP.
Winston Churchill once said "the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old" as part of his speech to the House of Commons after the evacuation of Dunkirk during World War II. This is a story in reverse: the old world 844 & 4014, with all their power and might, step forth to the rescue of the new. Steam locomotives. . . the engine that built America, the prime mover of our forefathers and of the Greatest Generation. Let's hope they never die.
Now all we need is 3985 to shove a stalled freight train.
When UP got 4014 working, they retired 3985 and donated her to Railroading Heritage of Midwest America, who's in the process of restoring her to service.
Despite Sodor only needing one back engine, being Edward, UP actually needed 2
The real-life version of Super Rescue from The Railway Series
Awdry would be proud of this
4014 and 844 are awesome
this is proof that these old steemers sill has it in them
Wish they still made them.
Me too!
I also should say that I miss the smell of coal firing! I ran the last fires through a pair of big old Riley Stoker's!
Way I see it, little bit of justice for all the men of the steam era that got thrown away along with their engines.
The UP challenger pulled a manifest freight in the 90's ( I think) I hope the UP 4014 gets gets to do the same.
Yup. That was 3985 hauling intermodal containers.
3985 did that trip on customer request, but it did see a brief return to regular service when it happened to be around to fill a desperate local power shortage.
NEVER underestimate the power of steam!
Steam is always better than diesel!
Just wait for 3985 to come back. I bet you it would happen to her as well. I mean, if she could haul a 143 car double stack at speed she can shove a measly freight train.
844 and 4014: LET US SHOW YOU HOW ITS DONE!
Those steam engines make really good strong banker engines.
I still don't understand why they don't make 8:44 and 4014 pull some freight every once in awhile that would be really really cool to see them guys working.
There's no point to it. Sure, they can assist when a freight train is stuck and they happen to be readily available, but from UP's perspective, it doesn't make sense to overwork the engines. Both of them will only get older, and their parts will wear down. But they will wear down a lot less if they are only pulling excursions. Now if something similar to 3985 hauling a container train happened again, then yes, you can see them hauling freight. Which 4014 is already kinda doing now, as you can see she's pulling hopper cars behind her in some of the recent excursions.
@TrainGuru hey, that's a boy remember? "Big boy"
Unless the UP has trains stalling all over the place all the time, it seems exceedingly unlikely that neither of these video ops were staged.
I mean, like he says, they're spaced 25 years apart. One fortunate meetup between stalled freight and steam train per quarter century hardly seems out of the realm of possibility!
If you’ve ever ridden Amtrak west of the Mississippi, UP and BNSF are always holding up traffic because they stall
As for the 844 rescue, was this the event where Steve Lee recounted they coupled to the train, open the throttle and they didn’t move for quite awhile ….then then train started to creep forward and roll? The 844 has a 300 psi boiler…..they had 100% steam pressure in the steam chest and it did not slip before moving? If so impressive and a frightening. The staggering forces at work and the drivers still bit fast to the rail? 😎
Yes. It was.
Love Engineer Steve Lee reply “What Do you think they did before Diesel”
Does anyone know how Steve Lee is doing? I hope well and Happy Thanksgiving.
4014 showed what it used to do all the time during and after World War 2. ;)
It's literally Super Rescue in real life! Twice as well!
The not so little engine that could 💀🚂🚂🚂
4014 just sitting back saying im stiff and thinking thts it
The footage of 844 wound up in a Modern Marvels episode on the History Channel…
I was there
lol
Where's the footage from? I don't think I've seen it before.
edit: nevermind :)
The higher management should have kept more of the steam locomotives because they could have been helpers
Some railroads retired steam engines earlier then others for a variety of reasons. In the west, railroads retired their engines either earlier or somewhat later due to either an ease of switching to diesels, since most steam engines in the west burned oil, or some railroads in the west had close access to oil, and had easy fuel very close. East Coast railroads had the situation. The Norfolk and Western retired their steam engines much later because they made a name for themselves hauling coal. They owned several coal mines, so they had an endless amount of fuel for their steam engines.
But if you’re stating that railroads should have their steam engines in reserve if something like this happens, keep in mind that all steam locomotives in the United States for the big railroads were retired by the early 1960s. The last one to be retired, with the exception of 844, was in the late 1980s. But the other reason is that there is no point for a steam engine used for publicity events to be pushing freight trains on the regular. Sure, it’s awesome to see. But from the freight railroad perspective, more working means more maintenance for these machines. 844 and 4014 in both these cases were used because it was the only logical option. No other diesel was available to help.
Do you know when 844 will be on an excursion again
Yes. Once her 1472 inspection is finished, she’ll return.
@@TrainGuru cool thank you for the information. Do you know if that’s gonna be this year or next year and where she might tour
No plans have been released yet.
@@TrainGuru ok thank you
Where is 844 on 2024??
Not operating, she will be back next year.
@TrainGuru ok
@TrainGuru but what i not like about 2025 is that md 11 is going to SCRAPPED!!!!
Talking about the planes from McDonnell Douglas?
@TrainGuru yes
844 sounds so angry
20 years later the challenger gets to push one maybe lol
what are the odds the 4014 coulda did the whole push on its own?
100/100. That beast could’ve hauled that whole train just fine.
For trains we should return to steam locomotives at least for passengers cross country
That would be a sight to see, but a very unlikely one.
Reverend Wilburt Awdry Would be over the moon lol
Super rescue but american
Not knowing much about trains , ???? Need more please.
thanks