One of the best things you can have with you in the event of an emergency like this is to have a Garmin inReach!!! When flying, I keep it on the dash and am able to keep tracking. I also use it to stay connected with my family and friends enroute or to send notifications regarding deviation or potential delays. Of course, the best part is the SOS feature in an emergency.
Never can be prepared enough. Another item that you might want to look at is a handheld transceiver (if don't have it already) and yes, the PLB will bring them your way but, having portable comms you will be able to talk to any pilot in the area or the rescues crews too.
Hey Jason, Great start. I built an airplane and personal survival kit and vest for a student of mine I took to Jason’s Mountain adventure course earlier this year. I personally use the exact vest you have and have used it as a CAP Mission Pilot for many years and use it every time I am not in our local area. I am happy to send you pictures of what I carry. In its simplest form you have your everyday carry which is the stuff in your pockets, you supplement that with the vest that you wear or sometimes I put it over the seat. The vest then supplements the aircraft emergency/Survival kit. I was just sending a list of items to another student of mine this evening and am happy to share the same with you. Over the years as a CAP pilot, CFI and a full time FF/Paramedic I have added and removed many things from my kits as they have evolved. The Israel trauma bandage and tourniquet are exactly what you need I have both. I also keep 1-2 glow sticks in every kit. They make great emergency lights but they are also very easy to see at night and can be used for signaling by tying some paracord to it and spinning it. Add a good knife and water filtration with the sawyer mentioned earlier and you are well on your way with what you have. DM me with your email and I can send you some pictures of my vest and the kit I put together for my student and his C182T. We built two survival kits that go inside aviation life jackets. 1 for each front seat where they permanently stay and an airplane kit that is in a waterproof dry bag stored in the baggage are but still accessible from backseat passengers. Thanks for Sharing!
Hey Jason, Rocky's comments about water are very good. I am a Scouter (Boy Scouts of America), and I carry several things for wilderness survival, while hiking and camping for scouting, and personnel camping too. You can buy "filter straws" that are lightweight, and make any water safe. I have been in the Boys Scouts as an adult leader for 15 years, and my son is an eagle scout. One thing that is useful would be some survival training. It will help taylor your kit more. You can get survival training from individuals for various amounts of money (sometimes expensive). But a way to self-train is to purchase the Wilderness Survival Merit Badge booklet at your local Boy Scout Shop. It's only a few dollars, and has a lot of information that would be helpful in the planning for that "Situation we don't want to happen", but need to plan for. In the same way, the First Aid Merit Badge booklet has a lot of additional information. As a long-time private pilot, prior military, and Scouter, your survival kit and some pre-planning is a very good thing. We could have a long discussion about what to carry, and what to know. And many who fly, or even drive a car on a trip, don't do ANY planning. We'll keep the discussion going
Hey Jason, I believe water is important and carry a Sawyer Mini and a few tablets of chemical treatment. And that’s hoping that you can find a water source., so I keep 1 liter with me at all times. I also have 48 hours of calories that I would ration into 96 hours. It can be a little frustrating to replenish the food supply every 6 months due to the foods expiration date though. I try to pick a variety of calorie dense foods that have a minimum shelf life of 6 months. Wool base layers are always helpful on cold nights and pack down small. And then a 6 inch bushcraft knife for processing wood and shelter materials. There is a lot more to my bag, and it fits down to a small Maxpedition sling bag, but is what I feel I would need as a minimum to survive. Good luck, and thanks for the videos. Love the TBM!!!
Great notes, thanks! I forgot to mention that I do have some small water bottles and hiking snacks that stay in the plane, but not sure I could fit them in that wear-able vest. I do need a better knife, those I showed are pitiful
Jason, great start. Read some of the comments and I am of the thought process of better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it. Prime example, family and I was traveling back to Colorado from California after visiting my daughter for Thanksgiving. I have always packed my snow boots can carthart winter coveralls and jacket. This last trip I didn’t even think to do it and hit two major snow storms. Ended up walking around in a snow storm with sandals and shorts on. I love the fishing vest idea. I think you can get rid of the two knives and replace them with Leathermen tool. I would also pack a wire saw. They are light and don’t take up a lot of room. Me, growing up as a Boy Scout I would also pack a small compass. You might have to self evacuate to some place different from where your crash site was. I do like the idea of having the drinking straws. Lastly pack some type of protein/granola bar. They have a great shelf life and will provide some food. Being in law enforcement I go to work planning this might be the worst day of my life and try to prepare myself I will be successful. I always tell myself I will go home tonight. With the proper tools and attitude you can survive a force landing and make it home as well.
Great point on the clothing! I learned that first hand myself too - it is easy to jump from climate to climate in these planes. Now I keep a coat/gloves/etc in the plane at all times, plus a small duffel with enough stuff to get me through an unexpected overnight in a hotel.
My plan, pack as if you will have ... 3 minutes to vacate the aircraft, 3 hours to build yourself an adequate shelter, three days water purification or supply rationing, three weeks foraging while you get yourself back to civilization on foot, possibly injured. Multi-purpose items will serve you well under such circumstances (Trauma, extrication, fire & shelter, hydration, signaling, foraging, self extraction). 😎
If these are for the TBM I am pretty confused about it. If you go through the accidents that single engine turbines have, are there instances where people were on their own for a night? I carry a few things in the plane for comfort because there's a chance that if something goes drastically wrong (both engines explode, electrical system dies at the same time), then I figure there's a tiny, tiny chance I will land at a remote strip with no tower, no nearby inhabitants, or on a back road in the southwest. That might mean I am out of cell phone coverage for a night, before search and rescue uses my ELT or flight plan or something and comes to find me. So I have the water, warmth, first aid kit. But the type of plane matters. A friend flies her SuperCub all over the place and I imagine she has a real kit. If she flips it on a forced landing she might have to get away from the plane in a hurry. Different plane, different kit. Do you really think you are going to go down in water? Has a TBM ever had a landing (even a forced landing) where the plane was destroyed (you can't get out a larger kit), but the people survived? Have on your annual checklist to go through the kit. My grandfather had a canoe and camping kit he always chucked in our pack. The one time it was important (we had forgotten matches), it turned out a lot of it was so old it was falling apart, including the matches.
This is a really important note, and covers something I wasn't really sure how to tackle - looking at the accidents is a great way to do that. I would agree it is VERY rare that you survive a forced landing and end up far away from civilization in an aircraft that spends most of its time in the flight levels. Plus, I spend at least half of my flying over populated areas (the other half being out-west in TX, CO, AZ, NV, etc where there may be no-one for miles). This is part of my thinking: how "overboard" should I go with gear compared to the chance of needing it. That said, I do occasionally do flights in pistons in areas where this would be important, but that is relatively rare for me.
I think having what the military call "a go bag" for when someone invites you to go back country flying in their Super Cub is a great idea. You can plan better *now* than they probably have planned for their previous trips. But for what to keep in the TBM, I would think essentially equipping it to spend the night at a field like Pontiac, IN would be a good idea. Warm bags, enough food and water, wipes for cleaning up. That way if you are forced down somewhere by weather and it is too far from a hotel, you and the family are not horribly uncomfortable until the time you can leave or help arrives (by road or sky). But I think they are really different problems. My kit totally changed from when I was a DA40 to a DA42. The DA40 there was a chance I'd be putting it down waaay out in the desert north of Las Vegas, which might mean flipping it and tending to my own head injury while I wait for help. The DA42... that's not a realistic scenario. There have been *so* few SETP accidents that you could collect and read *all* of them. A bunch of the Caravan ones are icing, as is one of the TBM accidents. You can ignore those for this purpose. But I would be going through the whole list.
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One of the best things you can have with you in the event of an emergency like this is to have a Garmin inReach!!! When flying, I keep it on the dash and am able to keep tracking. I also use it to stay connected with my family and friends enroute or to send notifications regarding deviation or potential delays. Of course, the best part is the SOS feature in an emergency.
Good call, I bought one last year for the same reason! Nice when hiking/boating too!
Never can be prepared enough. Another item that you might want to look at is a handheld transceiver (if don't have it already) and yes, the PLB will bring them your way but, having portable comms you will be able to talk to any pilot in the area or the rescues crews too.
Good call, thanks!
Hey Jason, Great start. I built an airplane and personal survival kit and vest for a student of mine I took to Jason’s Mountain adventure course earlier this year. I personally use the exact vest you have and have used it as a CAP Mission Pilot for many years and use it every time I am not in our local area. I am happy to send you pictures of what I carry. In its simplest form you have your everyday carry which is the stuff in your pockets, you supplement that with the vest that you wear or sometimes I put it over the seat. The vest then supplements the aircraft emergency/Survival kit.
I was just sending a list of items to another student of mine this evening and am happy to share the same with you. Over the years as a CAP pilot, CFI and a full time FF/Paramedic I have added and removed many things from my kits as they have evolved. The Israel trauma bandage and tourniquet are exactly what you need I have both. I also keep 1-2 glow sticks in every kit. They make great emergency lights but they are also very easy to see at night and can be used for signaling by tying some paracord to it and spinning it. Add a good knife and water filtration with the sawyer mentioned earlier and you are well on your way with what you have.
DM me with your email and I can send you some pictures of my vest and the kit I put together for my student and his C182T. We built two survival kits that go inside aviation life jackets. 1 for each front seat where they permanently stay and an airplane kit that is in a waterproof dry bag stored in the baggage are but still accessible from backseat passengers.
Thanks for Sharing!
Awesome comment, thanks!!!
Hey Jason, Rocky's comments about water are very good. I am a Scouter (Boy Scouts of America), and I carry several things for wilderness survival, while hiking and camping for scouting, and personnel camping too. You can buy "filter straws" that are lightweight, and make any water safe. I have been in the Boys Scouts as an adult leader for 15 years, and my son is an eagle scout. One thing that is useful would be some survival training. It will help taylor your kit more.
You can get survival training from individuals for various amounts of money (sometimes expensive). But a way to self-train is to purchase the Wilderness Survival Merit Badge booklet at your local Boy Scout Shop. It's only a few dollars, and has a lot of information that would be helpful in the planning for that "Situation we don't want to happen", but need to plan for. In the same way, the First Aid Merit Badge booklet has a lot of additional information. As a long-time private pilot, prior military, and Scouter, your survival kit and some pre-planning is a very good thing. We could have a long discussion about what to carry, and what to know. And many who fly, or even drive a car on a trip, don't do ANY planning. We'll keep the discussion going
Great info! I will look into those straws! Good notes on further education too - it is certainly a discipline/study of its own.
@@JasonFlies Glad to help. I went thru the Navy SAR school, but the scout documents are very down to earth training. Very easy to take in!
Hey Jason, I believe water is important and carry a Sawyer Mini and a few tablets of chemical treatment. And that’s hoping that you can find a water source., so I keep 1 liter with me at all times. I also have 48 hours of calories that I would ration into 96 hours. It can be a little frustrating to replenish the food supply every 6 months due to the foods expiration date though. I try to pick a variety of calorie dense foods that have a minimum shelf life of 6 months. Wool base layers are always helpful on cold nights and pack down small. And then a 6 inch bushcraft knife for processing wood and shelter materials. There is a lot more to my bag, and it fits down to a small Maxpedition sling bag, but is what I feel I would need as a minimum to survive. Good luck, and thanks for the videos. Love the TBM!!!
Great notes, thanks! I forgot to mention that I do have some small water bottles and hiking snacks that stay in the plane, but not sure I could fit them in that wear-able vest. I do need a better knife, those I showed are pitiful
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. A video when you have your "final" kit would be very interesting.
Jason, great start. Read some of the comments and I am of the thought process of better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it. Prime example, family and I was traveling back to Colorado from California after visiting my daughter for Thanksgiving. I have always packed my snow boots can carthart winter coveralls and jacket. This last trip I didn’t even think to do it and hit two major snow storms. Ended up walking around in a snow storm with sandals and shorts on.
I love the fishing vest idea. I think you can get rid of the two knives and replace them with Leathermen tool. I would also pack a wire saw. They are light and don’t take up a lot of room. Me, growing up as a Boy Scout I would also pack a small compass. You might have to self evacuate to some place different from where your crash site was. I do like the idea of having the drinking straws. Lastly pack some type of protein/granola bar. They have a great shelf life and will provide some food.
Being in law enforcement I go to work planning this might be the worst day of my life and try to prepare myself I will be successful. I always tell myself I will go home tonight. With the proper tools and attitude you can survive a force landing and make it home as well.
Great point on the clothing! I learned that first hand myself too - it is easy to jump from climate to climate in these planes. Now I keep a coat/gloves/etc in the plane at all times, plus a small duffel with enough stuff to get me through an unexpected overnight in a hotel.
My plan, pack as if you will have ... 3 minutes to vacate the aircraft, 3 hours to build yourself an adequate shelter, three days water purification or supply rationing, three weeks foraging while you get yourself back to civilization on foot, possibly injured. Multi-purpose items will serve you well under such circumstances (Trauma, extrication, fire & shelter, hydration, signaling, foraging, self extraction). 😎
Yeah, great notes thanks!
If these are for the TBM I am pretty confused about it. If you go through the accidents that single engine turbines have, are there instances where people were on their own for a night? I carry a few things in the plane for comfort because there's a chance that if something goes drastically wrong (both engines explode, electrical system dies at the same time), then I figure there's a tiny, tiny chance I will land at a remote strip with no tower, no nearby inhabitants, or on a back road in the southwest. That might mean I am out of cell phone coverage for a night, before search and rescue uses my ELT or flight plan or something and comes to find me. So I have the water, warmth, first aid kit.
But the type of plane matters. A friend flies her SuperCub all over the place and I imagine she has a real kit. If she flips it on a forced landing she might have to get away from the plane in a hurry. Different plane, different kit.
Do you really think you are going to go down in water? Has a TBM ever had a landing (even a forced landing) where the plane was destroyed (you can't get out a larger kit), but the people survived?
Have on your annual checklist to go through the kit. My grandfather had a canoe and camping kit he always chucked in our pack. The one time it was important (we had forgotten matches), it turned out a lot of it was so old it was falling apart, including the matches.
This is a really important note, and covers something I wasn't really sure how to tackle - looking at the accidents is a great way to do that. I would agree it is VERY rare that you survive a forced landing and end up far away from civilization in an aircraft that spends most of its time in the flight levels. Plus, I spend at least half of my flying over populated areas (the other half being out-west in TX, CO, AZ, NV, etc where there may be no-one for miles). This is part of my thinking: how "overboard" should I go with gear compared to the chance of needing it. That said, I do occasionally do flights in pistons in areas where this would be important, but that is relatively rare for me.
I think having what the military call "a go bag" for when someone invites you to go back country flying in their Super Cub is a great idea. You can plan better *now* than they probably have planned for their previous trips.
But for what to keep in the TBM, I would think essentially equipping it to spend the night at a field like Pontiac, IN would be a good idea. Warm bags, enough food and water, wipes for cleaning up. That way if you are forced down somewhere by weather and it is too far from a hotel, you and the family are not horribly uncomfortable until the time you can leave or help arrives (by road or sky). But I think they are really different problems.
My kit totally changed from when I was a DA40 to a DA42. The DA40 there was a chance I'd be putting it down waaay out in the desert north of Las Vegas, which might mean flipping it and tending to my own head injury while I wait for help. The DA42... that's not a realistic scenario.
There have been *so* few SETP accidents that you could collect and read *all* of them. A bunch of the Caravan ones are icing, as is one of the TBM accidents. You can ignore those for this purpose. But I would be going through the whole list.