CHARGING the DACIA Spring to 115% ? - Battery info, warranty,
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- Some interesting details about the battery, actual size, manufacturer, warranty and more .
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I was watching other videos of yours and thinking your contrnt is as cool as Bjørn's...
That's such a nice compliment ♥️ but i know nothing compared to that guy! ☺
Thanks for the informations and for making the video in English! Very very interesting.
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Hi Norby! About the battery; I think Renault-Nissan Dacia are using for Spring the "old" battery which was used in Nissan Leaf first gen. fase II (the 30 kwh Leaf). That is why it has such a big buffers (top & bottom). The warranty is for the advertised capacity (26.8 kwh/27.4 kwh). So, as you said, there will be needed alot of "beating" to degrade the battery enough to change it under warranty conditions.
Cheers
Hey. The battery is not the same as the old leaf 30kwh battery. This is a different manufacturer. They have big hidden capacity to avoid warranty claims in the first 8 years until the battery is under warranty. :)
Happy to see this information. Greets from Belgium.
Glad it helps. More to come soon :) also other stuff on the chanel already. Check them out :)
Very, very, very useful information. Thanks!
Thank you. 😊
Brilliant reviews. I live on the isle of wight UK so need a fairly small EV and Dacia tick the boxes. However all major reviewers except ( jonny late brake show) are so negative yet praise a £40k or £75k car. They dont get it. So yes good job.
Thnx. I heard that the new facelift model will be sold in the UK. Shame they didn't upgrade any of the hardware, even if it's a decent platform, would have been nice to see small upgrades.
The charger shows how much kw was used for charging and it is not the actual capacity of the battery. During charging, there are unavoidable energy losses and the actual capacity is measured when the battery is fully charged, so it is measured how many kW the battery actually delivered, not how many kW were spent on charging.
One more thing, this fact that the cells are charged over 4.2V is scary, ( 5:46 )and what is even scarier is that the battery has no cooling or heating. We know that lithium ion degrades instantly if it is charged while the cell is below 0 degrees Celsius.
Likewise, the cells age considerably if they are charged above 4.15V
Usefull info since I am tented to buy one.
Last week I was in a Dacia dealership and they told me 120.000km or 8 years of warranty with 80% capacity.
Tomorrow I'll make a test drive. :)
hmm.. some other people said 70%. 80% sounds better anyway.
@@electzro Vreau sa achizitionez ev-ul, am facut comanda. Printre primele lucruri la garantie mi-au spus ca e 8 ani sau 120.000 km cu un SOH de 75%. Urmeaza socul. Daca scade sub 75% inseamna ca am exploatat-o necorespunzator si pierd garantia. La fel mi-a spus telefonic si alt dealer. Ce parere aveti?
Very good info, very well presented! 👏 Consider adding the THANKS button to your videos, maybe some of us would want to donate a little 😊
Thanks. Will do
Amazingly informative ! Can you share the ideal temperature range ? Maybe we can add an external heater with sensor to keep the battery in ideal range during winter
Very Good and professional Vudeo!
Thanks
Your content is appreciated. I have an associate who has the clone model Chinese Dongfeng NanoBox. Starting Sunday, I'll be using it for one month in the French Caribbean. The seller didn't give details like you, so now I'm more confident in is range. I wonder if an electrician can easily change the GBT plug to a EU Type 2.
Thanks. Pay attention to the range. In colder weather it will not be the same. It all depends on your consumption. Regarding GBT plug, just buy an adapter from aliexpress. GBT to type2. It's cheaper than any conversion
@@electzro I am in the tropics, so nothing close to cold weather here.
Hi Norbert, very good video and very useful info.
About the battery warranty, when the car is delivered, we get a document "Fisa de intretinere si garantie" containing the car VIN number and the start date. One entry in this document is:
"Garantie baterie de tractiune: 8 ani 120000 Km (kilometraj nelimitat pentru primii 2 ani)" and the end date - which is in 2029 for those who got the car in 2021.
But it is true, the 75% remaining charge capacity does not appear to be present in any official document. We need to clarify this with Dacia.
Thanks for this information. What do they mean regarding kilometraj nelimitat in primii 2 ani? After that it's limited? Sounds wierd. Some people from Germany and Hungary said that they havr the 75% info on their papers but it's a bit wierd that it's nor consistent and also missing from the online pages and documents
Warranty for the battery is mentioned on second page of the Warranty Notebook (the official document from the manufacturer) , it's printed and very clear : 75% for 8 years or 120k km (first 2 years without unlimited amount of km) so do your homework before guys!
Mihai, all manufacturers state this also on their websites and press materials so that potential customers know what they are buying. The fact that you're only getting this info when you're buying the car is Not Ok in my opinion. What do you think?
This is the text for Warranty, from the offical Pricelist in Germany :
2 Jahre ohne Kilometerbegrenzung bzw. 8 Jahre begrenzt auf 120.000 km und mindestens 75 % Batteriekapazität.
In the Romanian documents it's not clarified unfortunately. Also just searching for it it's hard to find but it's good to hear that the information is actually available 👍
Hello,
For the warranty I can add something.
In France at least, when you buy the Spring, in general terms of sale, we can see for the traction battery "96 month or 120000km (at the first of the two terms reached)" and "the battery warranty covers gradual loss of battery capacity as soon as it falls below 75% of the initial battery capacity"
Hi. Yes, i had other people telling the same details although in Germany it seems like there are other therms but I'm not 100% sure yet. But the issue is that this information is not available until you buy the car. You should be able to find this info on their website BEFORE you buy the car so you know what you're buying in my opinion
@@electzro Yes I agree with you, it should be clear before buying the car.
Today, I have seen a video with the Dacia Spring french product managers.
ruclips.net/video/2V4OVcZcrSs/видео.html
They talk about maintenance at around 1:08:04 and specially about battery and its warranty at about 1:10:00 "8 years/120000km warranty with a performance capacity of at least 75% guaranteed"
It's not an official paper, but we have something from Dacia.
@laribeyre - glad to see more clarifications
19.100 EUR în 4.02.2022. 21.800 EUR în 07.08.2022. Asta da de gândit! Mulțumim pentru video!
Toate se scumpesc din pacate..
Hi Norbert, thanks for the nice video. It’s really helpful. I have some question: I need to pick up my Dacia Spring from 400 km away at around 0 degree Celsius ( current temp in Germany) What would be optimum strategy to discharge (20%?) and recharge (80%?). How many km can I travel at 80-90 kph. How long would it take to recharge at 0 degree Celsius? Greetings from Germany! Akbar
hey, sorry for the late reply. do you still need advice? you can calculate 100km range at 100km/h in this winter weather. the car can do more for sure than 100km at 100km/h but you need some reserve to be on the safe side in case some charger is not working or something. so if you get the car fully charged, about 3 stops of 35-45 mins each, and you're home. don't charge to 100%. charge to 90% while you're on your way home. safe travels :)
There is no 1% loss on any battery. The lowest charge loss you have on 800V is 4-5% and this is 250V so the difference is huge. You can expect around 8% on DC probably even more. So 29.21kWh added means the net is about 26,8 or exactly as claimed...
Hi Norbert! I follow your videos with interest and found in the comments your suggestion to somebody who asked you how to manage to stop the charging at 80%. You suggest using a
timer on the socket to switch off electricity. Isn't it against the Instruction FIRST to takesocket
hi. it's the best option you could do if you want to turn it off at approximately some %, for example 80%. other option is to just put a timer on your phone and go and stop the charging manually or if you're charging over night, you can use a timer socket and schedule the START of the charging some time in the night so that by morning the level is at around 80% and then you can stop it manually as it's recommended.
wifi socket between the charging cable and the electricity socket
One of the best options, yes. You can find wifi sockey with power meter in real time, kwh usage with history for days, weeks, months etc. Timer... all in a nice app on your phone
Morning, fascinating evaluation of the numbers and it sounds reasonible to me. But usually the "hidden" percentages of the battery can not be used. That´s the first time I hear about that. How to distinguish between the gross and the net capacity then? And how to calculate the energy loss? Based on WLTP test cycle (max. AC charging to get the OBL in the working point) and the figures they are based on (gross 28.4kWh/net 26.8kWh, range 230km, consumption 13.9kWh) the charged energy is about 32kWh, which means losses of about 19.3%. But if the net (the usable) capacity is much more (15%) -> 29.2kWh, the loss is about 10%, that´s very good. Anyhow in your evaluation you did DC charging so the losses are in the charger. Do you have the chance to reload at an AC charger from "dead" to the real end of the charging and report the real re-loaded energy? Thank you. Kindly Stephan
BTW: The usual figure for the guaranteed capacity is 70% (in Germany). The range usually varies: My "old" Ioniq (28kWh) has 8y/200000km until 70%. The new BMW i4 has 8y/160000km until 70%, same as the Renault Megane e-Tech. Smart EQ forfour 8y/100000km until 70%, the e-Up family 8y/160000km until 70%. For this 75%, in case it is, for the Dacia is not that bad 🙂
Morning. thanks. indeed, the gross capacity is usually completely hidden and can't be used up just by driving (discharging) or charging to 100% however it looks like this is not the case with the Dacia Spring. all the data points to a gross capacity of ~30kWh. As you can see the car was charged from 0% after the car already stopped moving. the charger reported over 29kWh when it disconnected the charging process. DC charging losses are not that high, usually below 5% and most of it is between the AC line from the grid and the charger it self. Between the Charger and the car it is usually minimal and can be ignored. Another thing that shows this is the fact that in the video i did before this, i drove the car on 0% until it stopped (check it out). I managed to drive 40km on 0% with an average consumption of around 9kWh/100km if i remember correctly. doing the math that's about 3.6kWh on 0%. 3.6+26.8kWh = 30.4kWh. I did not have a chance to do the same charge cycle with AC charging, also not sure how that would help. AC charging losses are very high and are hard to use for such measurements. some cars can loose up to 20% of the energy while charging on AC. - yes it's usually 70... 75%, it's good that they're not hiding something like 50% but my point was that for a lot of people this is their first EV and have little to no knowledge of such details. for sure it's not very important in the first 3-5 years of the car's life but still it should be easier to find in my opinion. hiding this detail so much makes no sense especially that it's the industry standard, they're not offering some bad % numbers. - all the best
Am pornit videoul si am dat instant like! Continut foarte interesant. Ieri am descarcat bateria pana la 2% = morcov. Am incarcat pana la 99% si la drum. Dezamagirea foarte nmare este de ce incarca asa de greu pe DC, de aici apar frustrarile colegilor cu alte marci, care "stiu" sa incarce mult mai bine, gen 25 , 46kW la o statie de 50. Per total e o masina buna, nu foarte sigura, dar ma gandesc sa o inlocuiesc dupa 1an.
Mai mergea si la 0% daca era nevoie dar nu recomand. Am facut un clip unde am mers pe 0% pana a murit masina.. e pe canal. Dar nu recomand ! Mai 3 saptamani si vine vremea buna si o sa incarvati din nou cu viteza maxima de 30kw.. asta e, nu e facuta pt incarcare rapida, nici nu trebuia sa aiba dupa parerea mea.. e de oras...
@@electzro Astăzi la 11°C afară și 8°C bateria de la 17%la 91% 19kw in 1 oră. Maxim 24.3kw. Temperatura 🔋 la final 22°C conform canZE.
Și bineînțeles că aș fi preferat să am încărcare cu maxim 22kw pe AC in detrimentul CCS.
24kw e decent la ce temperatura zici ca era afara (apox 10c*). Ai incarcat 74%. Adica aprox 20kwh sau 19kwh ma gandesc ca ti-a aratat statia.
22kw pe ac era mult mai bine. Si sa fie stabila ca la zoe. Pana la 70-80% chiar si pe rece. Sau macar 15kw pe frig dar asta e. 2-3 luni pe an e mai greu
@@electzro 19 kw in aplicația charge
Great info but how much did it cost to fully charge at the charger you used at Lidl no one seems to publish this info
Fully charging the car will depend on where you charge, that's why i didn't mention it. It can cost 0 Eur. It can cost 5.. 10.. or even 20 eur depending on the charger provider and their prices...
On the German website of Dacia the battery warranty is visible : 75 % guaranteed for 120.000 km or 8 years
I have a Renault K-ZE in China, a 2019 model made in December, so it likely has the Lishen pack shown at 4:25. CanZE Plus mostly works with my car; it can read cell voltage but not cell temperature, which is a bit strange.
Should be the same car.. What verson of can-ze are you using? If it's the latest, try an older one. If it's an older, try a newer one.
@@electzro Good idea!
Have you considered the charger losses? It's usually about 10-20%, which seems to correspond to the difference between the consumed value and the factory value.
Charger losses are less than 5% usually. Also it is clear that the battery is about 30kwh from the nominal voltage. The cell voltage and the configuration. 72s.
26800Wh/262,8V=102A
Max cell voltage is 4,1 V
72*4,1=295,2 V.
295,2V*102Ah=30104Wh, so 30,1 kWh.
Plus cell balancing.
Cell balancing also uses energy. But you also get back that energy....
@@electzro That's not entirely correct. The losses during cell balancing are greater than at any other point of the charge cycle.
Corect, but it's also only taking place at the very top of the charge curve. So if it's a loss of 7%, you're only loosing it out of the top 10% let's say. Not the whole capacity. So let's say 7% is only 0.7% when compared to the whole battery
Does this vehicle support 80% charge limit?
felicitări pentru lecția asta!
foarte folositoare
bănuiesc ca o sa se degradeze mult fără managementul termin al bateriei
si pacat ca nu are regenerarea..
astea 2 sunt dealbreaker oricât de ieftina ar fi
poate peste câțiva ani o să aibă, foarte ciudat ca leaful nu are nici acum dupa 10 ani
Cum adica nu are regenerare? Are regen.. da, lipsa mgmt termic o sa accelereze degradarea dar foarte putini vor schimba bateria pe garantie pentru ca e asa de mare bateria incat are de unde sa piarda din capacitate... venind vorba de leaf, vezi ce bine merg si alea din primele generatii si nici alea nu aveau mgmt termic
@@electzro colegu de la garajul lu pif o testat pe panta de la poiana brasov daca se ridica procentajul la coborâre si nimic
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ai văzut ce test fain o inventat bjorn pe muntele ala mare din tailanda in decembrie.. era o panta foarte abruptă si io iubesc diferențele astea de nivel
era vorba daca se streseaza motorul electric dar io eram mai curios cât se recuperează din energie inapoi jos.. erau 3 modele mg, testa și ora cat.. modelul 3 o recuperat peste 6 kwh intrun sfert de oră..
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Pai are regen, dar e destul de slab. Cam 7kw.. spre 10-11 maxim. Trebuie o panta lunga sa se vada pe procentajul bateriei. 1% in baterie e 0.27kwh. daca baga in medie 6kw regen, ar trebui cam 3 min in jos sa urce 1% in continuare, dar mai sunt portiuni drepte etc. De asta n-a urcat probabil. O sa ma uit la clip, acuma conduc
@@electzro neata, ce devreme ne trezim 🤝
da, am observat ca ai pozat pe frig 10 kw pe oră incarcare DC la cablu, deci probabil se încarcă foarte putin din regenerare si pentru e rece bateria dar probabil motorul nu e proiectat pentru asta ca da fie cat mai ieftina..
e ok in oraș nu avem nevoie de regenerare
dar banuiesc ca ii face rau bateriei sa tot stea rece anj de zile fara preinvalzire cum are tesla
apropo cum variază temperatura baterie la masina ta kona încărcare pe frig si regenerarea ți-o arată exact pe ecarn nu ?
ziceai ca ne arăți teste cu noua ta masina.. ce s-a întâmplat.. poate îți faci timp
Ne trezim.. drum lung.. vezi pe instagram story azi.
Da, este cand tragi si sub 10 kw iarna pe frig. Afecteaza un pic dar nu mult in timp. Cel putin nu sesizabil. Categoric ar fi mai ok cu mgmt termic dar la banii astia n-ai cum.. sunt in urma cu postatul clipurilor. Era kona in plan dar am avut springu la mine 2 sapt si am amanat kona. Urmeaza chiar clipul urmator cu kona (si vor mai urma si altele bineinteles) dar numai sapt viitoare..
I am so glad to see your video. I want only to now the cost of charging at home.
For city use I get that I'll have about 150km per charge (20/80 rule)
Can you tell me how much kwh will draw from a socket 230V at home to charge from 20% to 80% and if possible how many hours it will take?
Or if you have other video about this. Thanks...
The battery is about 27kwh total. From 20 to 80% is 60% so about 16kwh. If you use the simple wall socket slow charger that comes with the car then at 2.3kw / hour (230v 10A =2.3kw) it will take about 7h to charge this 60% (20 to 80%). I don't know how much it will cost because electricity prices are different everywhere but you can just check how much you pay for 1kwh and do calculate that x 16. So if you pay for example 0.2 euro/kwh than it will cost 3.2 eur to charge 60% at home. With 60% battery and 14kwh average consumption you can expect a little over 100km of range.
@@electzro Thank you so much for your help. This will be the 2nd car of the family for city use. 100 - 120km will be good for 2 -3 days for us. We have better price at night per kwh, less than 0,11 so that's about 1,76 eur per charge. So for the km I need, it will be less than 15 charges per month. This makes it 20 - 25 eur per month. That's outstanding...
Sounds great. It's a perfect little city /short distance car. Basic, but still acceptable comfort. The 45hp is more than enough for the size of the car
Dear Sir, Suppose you have ordered a Spring with only a CCS2 plug AC, is it still possible to add a DC fast charging "combo CCS" plug later?
it is possible but it will void your warranty for sure because you're modifying the electrical system of the High voltage components.
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We got a Dacia Spring (blue version) today. We cant seem to have the posibiliy to use the Dacia app.... Do you have any ideas why this will not work? The app shows that this VIN number is incompatible...
The blue version does not have app support. The dealer should have clarified this to you. If you look at where the cigarette lighter is, there are some buttons. One button is missing from your car, the app button...
@@electzro Hmm strange, that button is actually not missing. However, the app shows me that my car is not supported, but I have the button with a kind of gps icon
Yes, that's the button. If you have it you might have app support. Contact the dealer to clarify then why the vin is not accepted
@@electzro Will do, thanks!
Is it possible to replace the batteries in the car with higher capacity batteries???
Of course. But it would probably cost too much at the moment. But in 5 years for example, yes, it will be cheap and easy to put a bigger battery in it
Can you describe the most correct process to charge the car? Can you give us some advice on chargers model?
all the methods are correct. there are some things you can do to extend the life of the battery but they are optional like keeping the battery % between 20% and 80% when possible. slow charging from AC when possible. any charger is compatible with this car and most electric cars. best advice is to buy one that fits your needs (speed, cost, etc.)
@@electzro I'm using emergency charger provided with the car. I'm not able to stop charge at 80%, since with this charger and Dacia app, it stops only when 100%. Do you have some links to chargers comparative?
If the 230V charger is enough for you for your everyday usage i would continue to use it. So for example that charger charges about 18kwh in 8 hours (about 60% in 8hours). If you only use 30-40% usually a day, that charger is enough. If you need more than 60% each day than consider looking for a higher powered charger in my opinion. Regarding charging to 80%. When you plug in the car, the display shows aproximative time to 80% and 100%. I recommend that you buy a smart socket plug (make sure it can handle 16A 230V) and you can control then thr carge via wifi or even set on / off times) so for example if the time to 80% is 5 hours, you can set the smart plug to shut off after 5 hours. The smart plug should cost about 30-50 eur max!
@@electzro Charge as often as possible 20/80%. And periodically, once a month, charge to 100%, so that the BMS does a balancing of the cells.
vorbesti f bine engleza. f bune clipurile. am ramas f dezamagit de pretul bateriei. nici nu stiu daca merita pana la urma. Probabil ca nu am sa o tin 8 ani dar chiar si asa. e ca si cum ai cumpara o benzinara si ambreiajul costa cat masina :) research curat ce faci in clipuri. mult succes in continuare !
mersi. nu te lua dupa pretul bateriei de acuma. masinile sunt in garantie. n-ai treaba cu bateriile inca 5-7 ani. iar pretul lor va fi cu totul alta dupa perioada asta. uite eu estimez ca o baterie intreaga va fi undeva la 4000 eur. si asta daca ai nevoie de una intreaga. bateriile sunte modulare, de cele mai multe ori se duc 1-2 module care costa 3-400 eur bucata. schimbi acele module si ai o baterie buna din nou care te mai duce inca 50.000 spre 100.000 km in functie de exploatare.
In your opinion, is this a good car for 60 km x 2 (120 km to work and back) in everyday use? I can charge it only at home
hey. yes, 100%. winter, summer, no problem. in the winter, over 170.. even 200 is possible but with more attention (careful driving) but 120 km (2x60) is no problem at all. also you can charge it over night from a simple 230volt socket. it will charge up from 10 to 90% over night every time.
@@electzro thank you
I don't think power consumed can be an indication of the battery size, if a lot of power is used for battery conditioning?
Another point the fact that one was allowed to drive 40 km after reaching 0% SoC is an indication of deliberate BMS calibration on the safer side to warn the user or a total error?
there is no battery conditioning in the Spring. the display on the dashboard is set to show 0% when there is still about 10% in the battery to avoid discharging below real 10% to make battery life longer... that's it
I m interested to know how the battery performs in tropical conditions. 30C. Can you give a hypothetical answer?
no issues in 30..35..40c conditions. even after multiple fast charges. see 2 videos from about august last year on my channel. i drove the car about 700km in the summer
@@electzro thank you. How much power does the AC (air conditioning system) consume during the summer? How low can it cool inside the car?
Ac uses about 1kw. Similar to heating in the winter. A few minutes is enough to cool down the car
Great video. Does the Spring actually have a battery of 29Kwh? Is the battery durable?
close to 30kwh actually. given how big the hidden capacity is, it will last a long time if taken care of (20-80% rule whenever possible etc.)
@@electzro I will only charge the battery up to 80%. I've only charged it to 100% twice so far. If I don't ride the Spring for 1 to 2 weeks would 80% be good? Or do I have to do less?
You'll be fine for years and years fast the warranty period. You can charge it to 100% 1-2 every month no problem. You can leave if for longer periods but make sure to have at least 20% in the battery. Ideal would he 30-40%.
@@electzro Thanks.
I don't want to ride in the winter, won't ride it for 6 months from October.
For 6 months... than lave it at 55% charge and it won't be a problem.
Hi Norbert, thanks for the video!
I don't understand why you suggest to take care of the battery, trying to reduce its degrade... I wonder if it's a better strategy to try to reduce the charge capacity of the battery before the warranty expires. You'll get a free new battery sooner and your Dacia will have good performanences for a longer period of time ...
Glad you liked it. Like i said, the battery is much bigger than Dacia / Renault says so they will lock out more and more of the actual battery as time goes on but the user won't see this. The warranty is for 75% of the capacity they claim not the total capacity so you would need to use up 40% of the battery in just 8 years or 120.000 km which is very unlikely. If you try and still have let's say 80% of the capacity at 120.000 km they won't change the battery and also you'll have a quite used up battery. So in my opinion it's better to take care of it if possible. Also good for resale walue if the soh is good
I want to buy this car but the lack of thermal battery managment is kinda a let down for me! Will it impact long term battery degradation?
it depends. if you fast charge it a lot, every day, it will impact the life of it. if you slow charge it more and occasionally fast charge it, it doesn't matter
as someone who works with li ion battery packs on a hobby level, yes it will impact battery degradation in all but the most moderate of climates. Charging li ion batteries at any sensible speed while they are below 5 degrees is practically a death sentence since it causes internal lithium electroplating. And as far as i can tell this car does still charge when cold. And also on the other side of the heat spectrum, leaving the car in a hot parking lot in the direct sun, especially when fully charged or close to fully charged, is also a very quick death sentence to the battery. If either of those situations is common in your use, i would be very surprised to see the battery last longer than 3-4 years
7kw or a C-rate of ~0.25C is still not great at 0 degrees c and in the average Latvian winter of -15 and below, it would practically be a one charge death sentence for the entire HV pack. Even without an active thermal management system, they should have at least included a simple resistive battery heating pad.
Mai are rost sa achizitionam adaptorul de ccs dacă în țară sunt doar câteva stații de încărcare in curent continuu?
De ex. in Neamț nu există nici o statie de cca...
Pai depinde.. daca ai unde sa incarci masina peste noapte, si nu sunt statii rapide in orasul tau arunci poate nu. Dar in rest este o optiune relativ ieftina si majoritatea oraselor au foarte multe statii rapide, unele chiar si gratuite deci ar fi pacat sa ajungi la un supermarket, sa vezi ca este statie rapida si sa nu poti incarca pe rapid. Bine, poti incarca pe AC mai incet dar totusi... acuma costa 450 eur dar cand va veni timpul sa vinzi masina cred ca alea care au incarcare rapida vor fi mai scumpe cu cel putin 500 eur deci nu pierzi investitia si ai o optiune in plus daca vrei de ex sa faci o mica deplasare intr-un alt oras sau asaceva
@@electzro Ce părere aveți de baterie?
Nu afectează temperaturile negative capacitatea acumulatorului în timp?
Lithiul la temperaturi negative oare nu îngheață ?
@@geostefan565 in timp nu, dar pe moment s-ar putea sa apara limitari temporare. pana la -25 grade nu apar probleme. la temperaturi sub -25 s-ar putea dar inca nu a raportat nimeni nimic de acest fel.
if they do not restrict the warranty to a certain percentage, then it's a full warranty, right?
Apparently you get the 75% limit information when yoy buy the car. But the information should be available and easy to find even before you buy the car, so you know what you're buying in my opinion.
Ce aplicatie folosesti pentru datele privind baterie??
Am zis in clip. Can-ze
My Battery was producted 03.03.2022 and the sticker also says 26.800 Wh
even today, this is a mystery, Dacia did not clarify this aspect
Thank you, yes manage the cells >charging between + or - 20% to 80% and with 6.6 KW max . This is not a car for big travel and fast charging !
Merci, oui il faut charger entre +ou- 20% et 80% et à 6.6 KW max. Ce n'est pas une voiture faite pour des longs trajets et aller au super chargeur ^^
Slow Charging to 100% > one time per month at home
this is a city car for sure, and quite a good one for city actually.
If in the car contract the battery level is not specified, then you don't stand a chance in front of a court. That is the only legal document you can use for warranty.
I had some people commenting that in other countries it's more clear... maybe it's clarified in the contract somewhere when you buy the car but why not make it very clear on the webpage as well etc
Actually, I'm not agreeig with what you said at 16:00. Below -1C, my car only charged with 3.6kW after 2 hours of charging on the CCS charger (I have proof for this charging power, but it went below to 3.2kW).
So in 2 hours you charged 3.2kwh? Or did i not understand it correctly?
@@electzro No. After 2:25 hours I managed to put 17.7kWh in my car. But after this time, the charge speed won't go higher than 3.6kW.
The maximum charge speed (at this session) was 11.6kW (for a short period).
woww 400 milioane costa bateria. si eu am vorbit sa o comand maine :)) cred ca ma razgandesc. intelesesem ca ajunge undeva la 150 mil dar vad ca realitatea este mult mai diferita. pana la urma cred ca renunt si la spring si la e-up. imi doream mult sa trec pe electrice dar se pare ca mai e de asteptat. Poate o sa caut o masina pe benzina cu o cutie automata
nu recomand spring ca singura masina decat daca ai foarte multe drumuri in oras si ai eventual o masina de schimb imprumut pentru drumuri mai lungi (peste 300 km) afara. de asemenea, nu te speria de la pretul bateriei, ti-am raspuns la un alt comment cam cum sta treaba. sunt deja mai multe, si vor mai fi si mai multe service-uri care vor face service la baterie. e ok :)
@@electzro am anulat deja comanda =))) multumesc pentru raspunsuri. nu stiu cu cine sa discut mai multe si nici daca as putea sa va contactez telefonic
nu stiu despre ce ai vrea sa discuti dar daca imi zici te pot indruma, trimite linkuri sau grupuri de facebook unde daca intrebi una alta sigur primesti mai multe raspunsuri bune
Now 1 year later is Spring with 33 kW h battery.
Really? Did someone do a test?
Am cumparat ieri in germania masina, garantia pe baterie e de 8 ani si pana la 75%
cand cumperi masina primesti informatiile astea. ar fi frumos insa sa le gasesti pe site-ul oficial, usor, si inainte sa cumperi masina... sa fie mai multa transparenta
Is it possible to automatically stop charging at around 80%?
Not with the official app. A third party app is being developed and tested by the community at the moment. Should be released in 1-2 months
@@electzro
Great 👍
It's a pity that Renault/Dacia didn't think of it themselves.
Yeah.. but then again they can update the app and add the feature at any time :)
That's correct
Where can I find the community's alternative app?
sometimes you can't use 100% of the battery, maybe they changed the netto/brutto.
@Posh Panda no. they never specified Brutto. they just changed the Netto value last summer
Salutare Norbert, poate te uiti pe Forum putin, ca ti-am scris si nu stiu altfel cum sa dau de tine :-)
Car forum? Scz dar primesc zeci de mesaje pe 15 platforme diferite...
as i know is a replacement at dacia itself 6000€
În limba română pe când ?
Poti activa subtitlarile si sa selectezi limba romana.
lexus 1 million km battery warranty
În știu pe Bjørn
Maistro EV
Ye ye ye
If the time you lose charging it and as more EVs come have fun staying in line to charge at the cheap supermarkets. You know well how slow infrastructure in romania is built, don't expect miracles.
Mie mi-a consumat la 16A acasa 27kWh de la 5% la full. Aveam impresia ca 27.4 e capacitatea bruta si 26.8 e cea neta ruclips.net/video/6ygWuzUhq-g/видео.html
Descarca bateria complet si mai incarca odata sa vezi cat trage pana la maxim. De la 5% pana la absolut 0% sunt 20% ... :)
Capacitatea bruta e 30kwh. E prea mica diferenta intre 26.8kwh si 27.4kwh sa fie net si brut