They already doubled down on raid buffs by giving Shaman Skyfury. Now we're locked into M+ meta because the raid buffs aren't going away. I wouldn't be surprised if they deleted class buffs out of M+. No buffs for anyone.
as an arms main im happy skyfury is a raid buff now. on top of it just being more accessible it fixes the ele shaman issue where u would never play one apart from like council from amirdrassil which is an irrelevant boss anyway. aint no way its 2024 and we had an unplayable spec cause the 2nd dps from the class brought a broken buff no one enjoys. not a single enha shaman wants to waste globals on dropping the totem, not a single wf-reliant spec wants to play without wf. arms for example feels SHIT in execute without wf cause u have to fill way too much with overpower and overpower doesnt feel good compared to execute
I actually like the concept behind Aug. I think there is room for more role diversity than just "dps". Other games have done this successfully. However, you can't just make 1 spec have that role type and no others. Like, make a debuffer dps that weakens mobs and makes them vulnerable, make another support, we need options. It can't just be Aug and everyone else.
Not only does DH need a third spec of any kind other than tank, but the lore fits for a debuff support spec. Most sigils are some form of suppression, the tattoos are suppression, and DHs literally fracture part of the target's soul with their attacks already... There was even a pvp talent that made targets hit by throw glaive take increased damage from a random magic type because of chaos magic, though that talent was mysteriously removed recently (tinfoil hat time)
Games were this work often have not the "holy trinity" A support class will always be meta or not usefull at al. Even if you create more support classes you could only take 1 in your m+ group. That means even if you have 5 support classes, 1 would be the best and taken all the time, it would change nothing. Even worse, in raids you would need now the buff support, the debuff support and they would take away more dps space
Aug is the real problem here. Not mage. Not SP. Not any other dps. Exactly as Izen says - you have 5 spots in m+, tank, healer, ONLY 1 spec for support and around 30 specs for 2 dps slots! Like WTF BLIZZ, you cannot leave the game like that for whole expansion and more!
Aug is only key role in very very high level keys that almost all of you casuals are not even playing it's hilarious xD 98-99% of player base does not play that level anyways
@@alexvarai424 but bro, come on isn’t that dumb opinion. I usually land around 3400 rating during season. Sure, it’s not top level, but I’d call it very decent, it’s definitely top 5%. And already at 3000+, aug makes life so much easier, for tanks healers dps. My point is - it’s definitely not “must have” at this level, but will it make your +12,13,14,15 run easier? Definitely! So yes, it’s an issue. I don’t see how that’s hilarious
@@Danexar1 I skipped almost all DF, got bored at end of s1 and personal life stuff, only came back a month ago. Being bored with playing lock I made a max lvl evoker and did some keys as aug, I think generally it is a fun class to play as, and has a lot of utilities but honestly to play it "correct/good" it's really hard. And I mean it. Kind of like some champions in LoL or other champion based games, when the community cries long enough for the champion to be nerfed and then becomes basically useless, bc in the first place (like aug) it can be "broken" amazing sure, for a small amount of pro ppl who can bring it out of the character, whereas majority of the ppl just doing ok with it, because the skillcap is huge for it to be amazing, and the community is makong cries over that few pros who can bring it out, and then they nerf it, which then makes the pros bring out and "ok/acceptable" level whereas everyone else will achieve the "meh" level with it... :D So imo it's utter nonsense bitching, bc it's not like some super easy class as a bm hunter where you can just face slam the keyboard so everyone is broken with it. As much as I think it would be nice to play aug this exp. I still feel hesitant and unsure if I can pull it off, especially in mythic raid where aug can't just spam buff the same 2-3 dps players, but actually must buff from 10+ dd the ones that will burst dmg and you really need to know who to buff after who, when X Y player will do their highest dmg out put when to buff it, and if you don't do it properly you will get flamed by the others, bc then you are not pulling your worth to the boss fight as aug dps is crap, and on top of that if you missmanage the dd buffs then your worth is negative not positive. Lot of ppl are not even aware of this aspect... Most aug players in raid just spamm buff the same 2-3 "top dmg" players even tho 80-90% of the time of those dmg buffs on them are "worthless" as it should have been put on other dd-s who were bursting those times.
When you showed the ranged specs I literally did the kekw guy's laugh out loud. As a melee main I'm past dooming and into just laughing. 2 straight years without my preferred specs getting invited to keys let's fucking gooooo.
100% what I expected if they added another roll to it when it came out. When you think of the black dragon flight you think of a tough badass deathwing who literally stapled metal plates to himself to hold himself together. I guess just like how we missed the jailer all along he was secretly buffing himself to survive and just chose the plates as cosmetic.
Blizzz needs to learn how to balance all classes to make them all viable in all content all these years and they cannot figure it out they need to stop with meta specs and stop forcing people to play these specs if they want to be included
Every class and spec is viable to do top rewarding content. When you want to push beyond that there's no way to make them all balanced. Some specs are just going to be better than others. Most players don't do +10's, let alone anything beyond that so there's no point in balancing for +15's.
@@thereisnospoon7054 no its not. u can do every content with any spec that rewards the best ilvl. S+ specs on Tierlists are only for the Top 1%. And there will be always specs that are better than others. If everyone makes the same amount of dmg, some classes will have better utility. And u cant give every class the same utility abilities. And if even all classes have the same dmg and utility, then we start which race is better. And then it goes to other things ...
Nobody outside of RWF/HOF guilds, MDI teams, and M+ title pushers are "forced" to play a spec. I pugged to 2.6k in DF S4 as a non-meta spec (windwalker) easily and pretty casually. I almost never played with Aug evokers. Stopped playing the season after ~6 weeks to play other games, but getting to/near 3k as a non-meta spec definitely seemed achievable.
Either make scrolls for raid buffs or prevent raid buffs from being used in mythic plus and then do frequent balancing changes. Meta disappears and the players benefit.
Hope they just adjust aug before tuning anything else. Well see what the community does once its released but we must remember that most people arent playing the beta
and the ones that are, are going to play the current flavor in the build. its just a representation of who is doing the best pre the release balance changes. we all know the balance changes are going to be drastic once the masses get ahold of the hero talents
Mage is top pick, who would have thought that, i thought we were going again for a Feral - Survival mythic + meta. And SP also there as a PI bot of course, cause nothing is more fun than playing to buff Blizz favourite child
I thought Aug got nerfed pretty hard with the removal of the extra buffs when in a party setting, is it still being seen because of the defensive buffs and utility? How come Blizzard hasn't adressed Aug being toxic for players? If the issue is that Aug brings so much utility, then why don't they make M+ keys actually be a push against time (buff adds and bosses HP). Well, in that case the issue will boil down to the fact that Healers will be required to do DPS once again and that has been disliked by a majority of healers. Seems like there's no exit as long as Aug fulfills the role of giving more survivability
Basically the nerfs was just in damage to the group it got buffed in the damage it does self. But basically if what I hear is right it is the defensive help to tanks and healers pluss utility that makes them wanted in the high keys
@@alexvarai424 there was comps without Aug in S3 and S4. Aug makes keys easier - I think the real issue to be honest is Aug being the only support spec at the moment. + it’s hard to beat zephyr + mass barrier with int buff, fort buff, and MoTW. Aug concept wise can work in MMORPG’s - support specs work a lot in these kind of games. Aug just can’t be the only support. Imo remove the buffs going on healer / tanks, remove source of magic, and remove blistering scales - just buff the dps so if you do a mega pull with the “god comp” you have to kill it before the tank dies. Giving healer and tanks a big help is causing the issue.
The problem here is clearly Aug. They need to rework the spec or completely break it into the ground. I personally think if Aug could only buff DPSs damage, and not their survivability or the Healers hps and Tanks defensiveness, it would be much healthier for the game
@@MostlyFish21actually you have more chance to perform with a class you know how to play 100% than a meta slave class. Frost dk is a low Kay class with 3 smash buttons. UH dk will still be top tier way beyond
I knew Aug was bad for the game, its either going to be too strong for certain specs or incredibly useless all together. WoW did not need a support spec, especially if there is only one of those in the game.
So let me get this straight, y'all are discussing the meta off of less than 100 random ass players that won't under any circumstance explore new options because some specs were arguably good last season and they're too stubborn to want to switch or learn other specs? Absolute insanity lmao. Guys, go do your average keys on the specs you like and quit gate-keeping like idiots. You can pick something other than Aug, Shadow and Arcane, I promise you, the sky won't fall.
Tanks: top 3/6 are the first forth of tanks. the next 2/6 are last forth. and far behind is prot pala. if there are 2x 1/4 there is 2/4 missing. so pala is the last (last) 2/4 of tanks?
reason why arms isnt played is cause its not enjoyable at all. does good damage and all just feels bad. cds never align, they dont feel impactful and so on.
aug is broken by concept, blizzard's tuning team are a bunch of clowns, nothing make sense and i lost faith on this game after the interview with hazikostas where he said that AOE caps on dps have nothing wrong, lol.
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So basically hunters got their rework in the Beta and never got any real time to shine on live. So the hunter perception didn't get to change except they are less squishy.
@@havtor007 -- Survival got reworked. I understand normal spec maintenance but that isn't what SV got specifically. Hunters got substantial changes in the class tree as well. There is a difference between rework and maintenance. Hunters got a rework.
@@semi6544 Substancial changes is normal for expansions to do. It has happened every expansion that has existed. Reworks is what you call things when it happens in the middle of an expansion. Reworks are expansion level changes done in the middle of an expansion this was a new thing from Legion when Shaman got their changes. When you go from one expansion to another massive class changes can happen. As you mention Survival Legion Ranged survival just got kicked off the planet and it became Melee. That was an expansion level change and it happened between expansions so we do not call that a rework we call it being changed or just being different.
These stats are such a red hearing, 90% of these players playing high keys are going to be a alredy set team, so of course they are playing what their team alredy is. The Aug thing is going to be cause you are definitely not geared enough to do these keys as well as at some point these keys aren't about damage at some point it's about surviving. I like this content but this data is a joke and very poorly represented .
The entire premise ( and data) of this analysis is nonsense. You're taking high key runs instead of unique players. Ofcourse static groups that push this type of content will default to their main comfort pick, carried over from DF. So if one static group with the same comp does 10 keys, suddenly you see a 10+ played count for one specific spec. How can you credibly premise this discussion without even considering something so obvious and basic.
Shhh, don't let the mongoloids realize that following this type of data means that they can play whatever they want and still be effective at they're mid level of play.
I think a big step needs to be taken and it will involve heavy work for blizz. Pick one : - rework aug into a regular dps spec (aka abandon the idea of supports) - rework multiple specs of other class into supports at once - add support specs to multiple classes - change m+ to be playable at either 6 (5 + 1 supp) or 5 (regular comp no support spec) There is no perfect solution and some represent a huge load of work/balance... easiest way out is to rework/delete aug :(
@@ultiraleron5208 They won't rework other specs into support, they are not creative enough for that/don't care, they won't add support specs under the same logic which also means they won't extend the dungeon group to 6 members so their only realistic course of action is to rework aug because it is the easier solution and it won't cause as much drama as the other supposed soutions, so i agree with your last point
@@adriankovacs4133 if i recall correctly they said they will add more support specs in the future but not before years... reworking an existing specs into support would bring the wrath of people maining the specs and that might be more drama than reworking aug Every other choice than reworking aug will bring drama and a LOT of balancing anyway
Make it a tank spec, remove its emphasis on buffing the party to buff itself instead, and done. It's never a bad idea to have more tank options in the game.
these metrics are completly inaccurate for once izen and i know you know danwar gucciwar bizentein be slamming +12/13 for days as warrior(maybe not 15 tho)
So they're not doing the highest keys is what you're saying. He said he was only looking at top keys, which was mostly 14/15. So in fact he is completely right. No one is saying warriors can't do keys, there are just specs that do them better
sad state of wow, blizzard sucks.. i want to play what i like but i cant. because pug wont choose my fav class, instead will take meta... stupid rasism
@@adamcathcart8519 No, this is what it SHOULD be, you picked a damn role, and Blizz needs to fuck right off with the healer dps required bullshit. Fact that you cant see it, that just turns you into the average fanboy.
@@richardroonI only see two strategy to accomplish that, either require a lot more healing (and nerf healing from tanks and DPS) - Blizzard already started for tanks- or nerf healers DPS to the ground
@@jeromenancyfr healer dps is already like 1/5 of a DPS. We dont have to dps much anymore unless you are TRULY in the 0.1%. If they increase healing needed in dungeons, like in S2 DF or make it harder, healers quit, just like they did in S2 back then before paladin become OP. Right now the healer role is more than fine.
@@richardroonTell us that you're low IO with our telling us you're low IO. The fact that you typed all this out and think you're correct is very obvious you have no idea what you're talking about. Healer DPS was NEVER required in keys below the top 5%. I could not tell you how many 16s in s3 where healers did less than 10k DPS overall. The fact is though, unless you are using EVERY gcd to heal or move, the skill ceiling for healer will ALWAYS be how much DPS they do or you're literally just wasting time standing around doing nothing.
to all the haters of the aug. Not every class needs to top the DPS meters or deliver flashy, over-the-top abilities to’ be valuable. The aug brings something unique. If you can’t see the value in that, perhaps you’re missing the point of what makes wow truly Great, a diverse team where everyone plays a crucial role. Instead of tearng down something new and innovative, maybe try understanding how it fits in to the bigger picture. Diversity in gameplay is what keeps wow alive and interesting. Adapt learn and most importantly, enjoy the game for its depth.
This is a fair comment if the critique of Aug was too harsh when it was first introduced. We should have class and spec variety in wow. But we are looking at Aug being dominant (and by extension making only certain classes and specs viable for the meta) for a 4th season in a row. It isn't new anymore and at this point, by it's existence it is eliminating the diversity and depth in the game that you correctly state is a priority for wow players.
There is nothing diverse about it. Anything that is part of the meta needs to be destroyed. Furthermore, any resources dedicated to support specs are resources that are making it harder for DPS players to get into groups. They need to delete the spec and never look back.
What the actual mother of all FUCK are you WAFFLING ABOUT???????????????????? Fucking nobody is complaining about Aug "because it doesn't top meters". It not "doing enough" is literally THE OPPOSITE of why people complain about it. Are you fucking high?
They already doubled down on raid buffs by giving Shaman Skyfury. Now we're locked into M+ meta because the raid buffs aren't going away. I wouldn't be surprised if they deleted class buffs out of M+. No buffs for anyone.
as an arms main im happy skyfury is a raid buff now. on top of it just being more accessible it fixes the ele shaman issue where u would never play one apart from like council from amirdrassil which is an irrelevant boss anyway. aint no way its 2024 and we had an unplayable spec cause the 2nd dps from the class brought a broken buff no one enjoys. not a single enha shaman wants to waste globals on dropping the totem, not a single wf-reliant spec wants to play without wf. arms for example feels SHIT in execute without wf cause u have to fill way too much with overpower and overpower doesnt feel good compared to execute
Not exodia again noooooo
3 seasons later and we still having issues balancing Aug, mage and SP. Insane.
Give priest an interrupt, some good utility and make PI usable only on yourself.
@@WhallonJesse they do have good utility tho
They know how to tune specs. It isn’t hard. These results are intentional .
Not enough to offset a lack of meaningful interrupt, AoE stun, mobility, and survivability. Not even close.
The Fort+AI+Aug combo is unbeatable. GG raid buffs. GG tard devs.
I actually like the concept behind Aug. I think there is room for more role diversity than just "dps". Other games have done this successfully. However, you can't just make 1 spec have that role type and no others. Like, make a debuffer dps that weakens mobs and makes them vulnerable, make another support, we need options. It can't just be Aug and everyone else.
Not only does DH need a third spec of any kind other than tank, but the lore fits for a debuff support spec. Most sigils are some form of suppression, the tattoos are suppression, and DHs literally fracture part of the target's soul with their attacks already... There was even a pvp talent that made targets hit by throw glaive take increased damage from a random magic type because of chaos magic, though that talent was mysteriously removed recently (tinfoil hat time)
Games were this work often have not the "holy trinity" A support class will always be meta or not usefull at al. Even if you create more support classes you could only take 1 in your m+ group. That means even if you have 5 support classes, 1 would be the best and taken all the time, it would change nothing. Even worse, in raids you would need now the buff support, the debuff support and they would take away more dps space
We need the intro back. F the haters ❤
This really surprises me considering that all classes and specs seem to be more balanced right now than usual.
Bad players only go for meta and videos from content creators don’t help the situation at all.
Aug is the real problem here. Not mage. Not SP. Not any other dps. Exactly as Izen says - you have 5 spots in m+, tank, healer, ONLY 1 spec for support and around 30 specs for 2 dps slots! Like WTF BLIZZ, you cannot leave the game like that for whole expansion and more!
Aug is only key role in very very high level keys that almost all of you casuals are not even playing it's hilarious xD 98-99% of player base does not play that level anyways
@@alexvarai424 but bro, come on isn’t that dumb opinion.
I usually land around 3400 rating during season. Sure, it’s not top level, but I’d call it very decent, it’s definitely top 5%. And already at 3000+, aug makes life so much easier, for tanks healers dps. My point is - it’s definitely not “must have” at this level, but will it make your +12,13,14,15 run easier? Definitely! So yes, it’s an issue. I don’t see how that’s hilarious
@@Danexar1 I skipped almost all DF, got bored at end of s1 and personal life stuff, only came back a month ago. Being bored with playing lock I made a max lvl evoker and did some keys as aug, I think generally it is a fun class to play as, and has a lot of utilities but honestly to play it "correct/good" it's really hard. And I mean it.
Kind of like some champions in LoL or other champion based games, when the community cries long enough for the champion to be nerfed and then becomes basically useless, bc in the first place (like aug) it can be "broken" amazing sure, for a small amount of pro ppl who can bring it out of the character, whereas majority of the ppl just doing ok with it, because the skillcap is huge for it to be amazing, and the community is makong cries over that few pros who can bring it out, and then they nerf it, which then makes the pros bring out and "ok/acceptable" level whereas everyone else will achieve the "meh" level with it... :D
So imo it's utter nonsense bitching, bc it's not like some super easy class as a bm hunter where you can just face slam the keyboard so everyone is broken with it.
As much as I think it would be nice to play aug this exp. I still feel hesitant and unsure if I can pull it off, especially in mythic raid where aug can't just spam buff the same 2-3 dps players, but actually must buff from 10+ dd the ones that will burst dmg and you really need to know who to buff after who, when X Y player will do their highest dmg out put when to buff it, and if you don't do it properly you will get flamed by the others, bc then you are not pulling your worth to the boss fight as aug dps is crap, and on top of that if you missmanage the dd buffs then your worth is negative not positive. Lot of ppl are not even aware of this aspect... Most aug players in raid just spamm buff the same 2-3 "top dmg" players even tho 80-90% of the time of those dmg buffs on them are "worthless" as it should have been put on other dd-s who were bursting those times.
When you showed the ranged specs I literally did the kekw guy's laugh out loud. As a melee main I'm past dooming and into just laughing. 2 straight years without my preferred specs getting invited to keys let's fucking gooooo.
I wish they would rework aug into a tank spec.
100% what I expected if they added another roll to it when it came out. When you think of the black dragon flight you think of a tough badass deathwing who literally stapled metal plates to himself to hold himself together. I guess just like how we missed the jailer all along he was secretly buffing himself to survive and just chose the plates as cosmetic.
Ranged tank, we never had that before, please just do it
I'm glad Blizzard didn't make another tank spec nobody would play anyway.
@@zylle1993but the boss will just run up into melee......
@JQ86 tell me one tank that is not played right now or last 3 seasons?
Blizzz needs to learn how to balance all classes to make them all viable in all content all these years and they cannot figure it out they need to stop with meta specs and stop forcing people to play these specs if they want to be included
Every class and spec is viable to do top rewarding content. When you want to push beyond that there's no way to make them all balanced. Some specs are just going to be better than others. Most players don't do +10's, let alone anything beyond that so there's no point in balancing for +15's.
@@Kedearianthat is an asinine take lol…
I mean you’re the guys who think you’re competing with the top streamers and 1%ers you aren’t so you should just play what you want
@@thereisnospoon7054 no its not. u can do every content with any spec that rewards the best ilvl. S+ specs on Tierlists are only for the Top 1%.
And there will be always specs that are better than others. If everyone makes the same amount of dmg, some classes will have better utility. And u cant give every class the same utility abilities. And if even all classes have the same dmg and utility, then we start which race is better. And then it goes to other things ...
Nobody outside of RWF/HOF guilds, MDI teams, and M+ title pushers are "forced" to play a spec. I pugged to 2.6k in DF S4 as a non-meta spec (windwalker) easily and pretty casually. I almost never played with Aug evokers. Stopped playing the season after ~6 weeks to play other games, but getting to/near 3k as a non-meta spec definitely seemed achievable.
Thanks for compiling all of these stats
Either make scrolls for raid buffs or prevent raid buffs from being used in mythic plus and then do frequent balancing changes. Meta disappears and the players benefit.
Hope they just adjust aug before tuning anything else. Well see what the community does once its released but we must remember that most people arent playing the beta
and the ones that are, are going to play the current flavor in the build. its just a representation of who is doing the best pre the release balance changes. we all know the balance changes are going to be drastic once the masses get ahold of the hero talents
Mage is top pick, who would have thought that, i thought we were going again for a Feral - Survival mythic + meta. And SP also there as a PI bot of course, cause nothing is more fun than playing to buff Blizz favourite child
idk, maybe the top players in df playing the top comp are playing the beta and picking the class they've been playing for the past 14 months.
I thought Aug got nerfed pretty hard with the removal of the extra buffs when in a party setting, is it still being seen because of the defensive buffs and utility? How come Blizzard hasn't adressed Aug being toxic for players? If the issue is that Aug brings so much utility, then why don't they make M+ keys actually be a push against time (buff adds and bosses HP). Well, in that case the issue will boil down to the fact that Healers will be required to do DPS once again and that has been disliked by a majority of healers. Seems like there's no exit as long as Aug fulfills the role of giving more survivability
Basically the nerfs was just in damage to the group it got buffed in the damage it does self.
But basically if what I hear is right it is the defensive help to tanks and healers pluss utility that makes them wanted in the high keys
The only way to not have this comp, is to remove Aug. This comp will be the god comp forever untill Aug is reworked
@@zylle1993 WRONG, it was the top comp regardless w/o aug in it. Mage + spriest is just too good sadly.
what's the point of you casual peeps complaining, aug is needed in very high keys, which are not run by like 98-99% of the player base lmao...
@@alexvarai424 there was comps without Aug in S3 and S4. Aug makes keys easier - I think the real issue to be honest is Aug being the only support spec at the moment. + it’s hard to beat zephyr + mass barrier with int buff, fort buff, and MoTW.
Aug concept wise can work in MMORPG’s - support specs work a lot in these kind of games. Aug just can’t be the only support.
Imo remove the buffs going on healer / tanks, remove source of magic, and remove blistering scales - just buff the dps so if you do a mega pull with the “god comp” you have to kill it before the tank dies. Giving healer and tanks a big help is causing the issue.
I’m ready. My hunter main volunteers as the first Augmentation hunter 🤝🏻🫡
Okay the frost dk was a surprised !
holy priest is popular cause thats what all the girls play
All the female elfs you see are dudes buying twitch streamers bath water
They’ve gotten rid of specs before - I actually liked gladiator spec lol -
The problem here is clearly Aug. They need to rework the spec or completely break it into the ground. I personally think if Aug could only buff DPSs damage, and not their survivability or the Healers hps and Tanks defensiveness, it would be much healthier for the game
The synergy of those 3 dps classes is just hard to walk away from
So weird to see how quickly it went from Unholy to Frost priority.
Yeah it sucks, I wanted unholy to be the higher performing spec but oh well, they're both pretty fun
@@MostlyFish21 Hell nah, personally don't like Unholy, so I'm absolutely contented with changes.
@@MostlyFish21actually you have more chance to perform with a class you know how to play 100% than a meta slave class. Frost dk is a low Kay class with 3 smash buttons. UH dk will still be top tier way beyond
for melee that looks kinda not true. i see so many fury warriors or retri palas. not to forget a lot of enhancement shami
Delete Aug and introduce the new Meta Tank Protection Evoker. Give it a form that’s not a skinny lizard and watch Tanks go crazy 😂
A fire spitting dragon tank with a huge shield was my first hope for a 3rd evoker spec ❤
Where is the comp?
This only matters for high key pushers. Aug Evoker is only a must there, don't be fooled to think you need it from keys 1 to 15.
Reeee
The community is dumb, so they think you do 😅
"Bring the player not the class" yeah that is so dead.
Remove aug, limit raid buffs to raids only.
Or u need to remove evoker or u need to make some kinda "melee buff evoker"
oh shit, here we go again
You won't be in any of those groups that do those keys, don't worry mediocre Joe.
Mage is always toptier…. Otherwise the com is flaming blizz😂
I knew Aug was bad for the game, its either going to be too strong for certain specs or incredibly useless all together. WoW did not need a support spec, especially if there is only one of those in the game.
Just cancel Aug.
So let me get this straight, y'all are discussing the meta off of less than 100 random ass players that won't under any circumstance explore new options because some specs were arguably good last season and they're too stubborn to want to switch or learn other specs? Absolute insanity lmao. Guys, go do your average keys on the specs you like and quit gate-keeping like idiots. You can pick something other than Aug, Shadow and Arcane, I promise you, the sky won't fall.
Tanks: top 3/6 are the first forth of tanks. the next 2/6 are last forth. and far behind is prot pala.
if there are 2x 1/4 there is 2/4 missing. so pala is the last (last) 2/4 of tanks?
Aug broke the game.
reason why arms isnt played is cause its not enjoyable at all. does good damage and all just feels bad. cds never align, they dont feel impactful and so on.
Their animations are just plain bad.
No, it's because there is no schizo player in this list that likes Arms, no other reason actually. Quit lying to yourself.
well frostDK,nerfed around 20% of total damage, so i guess, wont be that powerfull nowdays
That is post nerfs lol it is still way overtuned and needs further nerfs same with aug obviously
@@thereisnospoon7054let frost be good for once 😢🎉
Delete mage
I thought holy Paladin sucks ??
wow looks sad
aug is broken by concept, blizzard's tuning team are a bunch of clowns, nothing make sense and i lost faith on this game after the interview with hazikostas where he said that AOE caps on dps have nothing wrong, lol.
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So basically hunters got their rework in the Beta and never got any real time to shine on live. So the hunter perception didn't get to change except they are less squishy.
It is not a rework it is a normal changes from expansion to expansion.
@@havtor007 -- Survival got reworked. I understand normal spec maintenance but that isn't what SV got specifically. Hunters got substantial changes in the class tree as well.
There is a difference between rework and maintenance. Hunters got a rework.
@@semi6544 Substancial changes is normal for expansions to do.
It has happened every expansion that has existed.
Reworks is what you call things when it happens in the middle of an expansion.
Reworks are expansion level changes done in the middle of an expansion this was a new thing from Legion when Shaman got their changes.
When you go from one expansion to another massive class changes can happen.
As you mention Survival Legion Ranged survival just got kicked off the planet and it became Melee.
That was an expansion level change and it happened between expansions so we do not call that a rework we call it being changed or just being different.
Gg
These stats are such a red hearing, 90% of these players playing high keys are going to be a alredy set team, so of course they are playing what their team alredy is. The Aug thing is going to be cause you are definitely not geared enough to do these keys as well as at some point these keys aren't about damage at some point it's about surviving. I like this content but this data is a joke and very poorly represented .
lol no
@@Qvik_ insightful
That's the whole issue tho. Like you saw the goal and took a hard left right before scoring...
@@Poisonieer Not every clown take deserves insightful comments.
The entire premise ( and data) of this analysis is nonsense. You're taking high key runs instead of unique players. Ofcourse static groups that push this type of content will default to their main comfort pick, carried over from DF. So if one static group with the same comp does 10 keys, suddenly you see a 10+ played count for one specific spec. How can you credibly premise this discussion without even considering something so obvious and basic.
Shhh, don't let the mongoloids realize that following this type of data means that they can play whatever they want and still be effective at they're mid level of play.
Delete Aug, doesn't belong in the game tbh
IZEN isn't the Hero we deserve, but they're the Hero we need.
They weren't always a Hero, but they became one.
please just delete aug. worst idea blizzard ever came up with
I think a big step needs to be taken and it will involve heavy work for blizz. Pick one :
- rework aug into a regular dps spec (aka abandon the idea of supports)
- rework multiple specs of other class into supports at once
- add support specs to multiple classes
- change m+ to be playable at either 6 (5 + 1 supp) or 5 (regular comp no support spec)
There is no perfect solution and some represent a huge load of work/balance... easiest way out is to rework/delete aug :(
@@ultiraleron5208 They won't rework other specs into support, they are not creative enough for that/don't care, they won't add support specs under the same logic which also means they won't extend the dungeon group to 6 members so their only realistic course of action is to rework aug because it is the easier solution and it won't cause as much drama as the other supposed soutions, so i agree with your last point
@@adriankovacs4133 if i recall correctly they said they will add more support specs in the future but not before years... reworking an existing specs into support would bring the wrath of people maining the specs and that might be more drama than reworking aug
Every other choice than reworking aug will bring drama and a LOT of balancing anyway
@@ultiraleron5208 Well they did do it to survival, so it is not completely impossible.
Make it a tank spec, remove its emphasis on buffing the party to buff itself instead, and done. It's never a bad idea to have more tank options in the game.
these metrics are completly inaccurate for once izen and i know you know danwar gucciwar bizentein be slamming +12/13 for days as warrior(maybe not 15 tho)
Wow, they're doing +12s? Amazing. Please, tell us more.
So they're not doing the highest keys is what you're saying. He said he was only looking at top keys, which was mostly 14/15. So in fact he is completely right. No one is saying warriors can't do keys, there are just specs that do them better
sad state of wow, blizzard sucks.. i want to play what i like but i cant. because pug wont choose my fav class, instead will take meta... stupid rasism
Delete aug already
Not again this crap combo
Give hunter and shaman support specs. Maybe paladin as well?
Prot Pala is already a support spec as it is way too weak as tank or dps.
I'd rather they not waste resources on making it even harder to get into a group as a DPS.
@@derpataur1162 this + just make aug a tank spec.
dead on arrival
This game has become a sad joke
Boring as Fck meta...
Then be the one that succeeds with a different one, nobody is stopping you boo.
So people use betas to try the most powerfull build instead of testing the specs.
Thanks for nothing I guess...
OH NO... a healing spec doesnt do much damage... Serious, fuck off with that shit, healers heal, tanks tank, dps does damage...
I means sure if youre talking about being average. For those who want to push higher and perform better, yeah, DPS is important
@@adamcathcart8519 No, this is what it SHOULD be, you picked a damn role, and Blizz needs to fuck right off with the healer dps required bullshit.
Fact that you cant see it, that just turns you into the average fanboy.
@@richardroonI only see two strategy to accomplish that, either require a lot more healing (and nerf healing from tanks and DPS) - Blizzard already started for tanks- or nerf healers DPS to the ground
@@jeromenancyfr healer dps is already like 1/5 of a DPS.
We dont have to dps much anymore unless you are TRULY in the 0.1%.
If they increase healing needed in dungeons, like in S2 DF or make it harder, healers quit, just like they did in S2 back then before paladin become OP.
Right now the healer role is more than fine.
@@richardroonTell us that you're low IO with our telling us you're low IO. The fact that you typed all this out and think you're correct is very obvious you have no idea what you're talking about. Healer DPS was NEVER required in keys below the top 5%. I could not tell you how many 16s in s3 where healers did less than 10k DPS overall. The fact is though, unless you are using EVERY gcd to heal or move, the skill ceiling for healer will ALWAYS be how much DPS they do or you're literally just wasting time standing around doing nothing.
Why...do youu.. speak ... like,... this? It's a very... confu..sing..
to all the haters of the aug. Not every class needs to top the DPS meters or deliver flashy, over-the-top abilities to’ be valuable. The aug brings something unique. If you can’t see the value in that, perhaps you’re missing the point of what makes wow truly Great, a diverse team where everyone plays a crucial role. Instead of tearng down something new and innovative, maybe try understanding how it fits in to the bigger picture. Diversity in gameplay is what keeps wow alive and interesting. Adapt learn and most importantly, enjoy the game for its depth.
This is a fair comment if the critique of Aug was too harsh when it was first introduced. We should have class and spec variety in wow. But we are looking at Aug being dominant (and by extension making only certain classes and specs viable for the meta) for a 4th season in a row. It isn't new anymore and at this point, by it's existence it is eliminating the diversity and depth in the game that you correctly state is a priority for wow players.
The problem with aug is that there is no real way to balance it in wow.
If you like balance Aug is a problem.
There is nothing diverse about it. Anything that is part of the meta needs to be destroyed. Furthermore, any resources dedicated to support specs are resources that are making it harder for DPS players to get into groups.
They need to delete the spec and never look back.
Diverse Team? Its literally Aug Dh SP Mage for 3 Reasons. This bullshit is holding back 90% Of classes ingame, please use ur brain.
What the actual mother of all FUCK are you WAFFLING ABOUT????????????????????
Fucking nobody is complaining about Aug "because it doesn't top meters". It not "doing enough" is literally THE OPPOSITE of why people complain about it. Are you fucking high?