If I had done this video, I would have not mentioned Demon Hunter at all until the very end of the video and then went "Oh wait, we forgot Demon Hunter. Well that's ok, so did Blizzard. No harm done."
If you are a super casual player yeah, but if you wanna do anything even remotely higher than that then absolutely no. Even for relatively mid tier content people are gonna want the meta classes in their group and that's a fact. I've been there so many times. Playing the class you enjoy sounds fun but once you start wasting literally hours on queue hoping to get into a group you will understand how painful it is.
Leaning towards Shaman due to how impactful and fresh the hero talents make it feel, particularly Farseer. Priest is a close second solely due to the flavor of Voidreaver. Can’t wait for your “choosing a main” video.
Same with havoc, which got roughly a third of the rework that the rogues did in DF and unironically fewer design changes than them in this beta (not trying to make it a contest i feel bad for rogues too, just wanted to give context). Also as for the hero trees, saying that aldrachi is a "fun minigame" is a WILDLY unpopular take. That tree is an abomination, and fel-scarred is a glorified aura buff. I wish blizz actually hired more developers so we could all be mages and death knights
I suffer from Demon Hunter tankitis. I haven't touched another class since DH came out in Legion because the style of Vengeance tanking was absolutely AMAZING with the sigils, actually being able to CC multiple groups and time your sigils to prevent spells all while ripping souls out and spewing flames from your face.
@@Cabelius I've been playing for the last few days and Demon Hunter seems to be middle of the pack. If you know how to do your rotation you should be fine. I'm leveling a Mage, DK and DH right now and so far my DK is destroying in single boss fights right now without gear. The mage is ridiculous and I think they are going to top all charts. Ice and Arcane are INSANE. You won't be breaking any records but you will be constantly above average but not in the top DPS slots. I think the only they suffer from is lack of raid utility, they get a couple skills but I think DK's will still be the top choice for having the rez, anti magic zone and their DPS is just astounding. I saw a different video and they mentioned if you play a class that you are good with and understand well, you are going to do better than a "meta" class that you are unfamiliar with. I wouldn't worry about trying something new unless you want to. I know I plan on getting a Shaman and hunter up as well. A lot of the hunters I saw were melting bosses. Maybe it was the scaling giving them weird stats but it was crazy.
As of this moment I'd probably go Arcane Mage > Augment Evoker > Resto Druid > Enhance Shammy /Survival Hunter. If tanking becomes an option (unlikely as main) would go Brewmaster Monk or Blood DK. Can you see how really really convinced and decided I am? Yea, it's a problem.
Maybe try paying the other 2/3 of your class. You know, Protection and Holy. That way if Ret gets nerfed into the ground you don’t feel like quitting the game and saying the entire game sucks
I've been an enhance shaman main since BC and had ups and downs. So might stick to it, especially since the spec shaped up pretty good, although the button bloat is real, wish they would turn a bunch of those into passives like they did with Arcane Mages.
I’ll give you a crazy answer, but that’s what I actually do. I have 35 characters detailed in four documents with all the backgrounds, interactions, family trees, age and even if they are alive or not. I choose two group comps, one from the horde and one for the alliance, considering what I think will make more sense with the incoming content. Then I elect which character will drive their and the expansion narrative better and that’s how i choose the one that I’ll start.
@@viisovari4544 This really came out of left field and genuinely surprised me, but my starting character will be my dracthyr. He is the only one in the current comp that has motivation to go, but not stay in all of the regions (the dwarfs will stay at the surface and in riging deeps at the start, the paladin will stay in hallowfall for the most part and the trolls (one is the previous wielder of Xala'tath) will mostly stay in Azj-kahet to fight off the nerubians. But the dracthyr as a researcher of the void and entrusted to recover the darkheart have a narrative reason to navigate through all the zones at the start. After the leveling storyline, considering what happens (I don't have any idea of the story for the zones) I'll reorganize considering how each one of them will react to the incoming content.
Nice. I literally was planning on playing either DK, Mage or Pally this next xpac, as they have been my favorite go-to specs ever since the days of wotlk (not the classic re-release). Now to figure out which one to actually focus as my main...
As a long term rogue player I feel incredibly disappointed with what Blizz has done to my class. I genuinely have no idea what they are thinking. I play Outlaw, and I had a Shadow Dance based build going, but that's gone now. What am I supposed to build around now? Echoing Reprimand? I have to ask, is there anyone who actually LIKES Echoing Reprimand? I hated it from the second it was introduced in SL. It's a deeply un-fun ability. And it works terribly with Outlaw since I often get more than one combo points from my attacks. Making pinpointing a specific amount of combo points an incredibly finicky task. I will celebrate the day when they finally remove that ability from the game. But instead they remove abilities people like and actually use, like when they removed Marked for Death for no apparent reason. Even our hero talent trees feel lame and poorly thought out. What the hell is "Fatebound"? Was a pirate based hero talent tree really too much to ask for? When they changed Combat to Outlaw in Legion they made a big deal about how this is now the pirate spec and gave us a bunch of pirate based theming. And then they promptly removed basically all of that in BfA, the expansion where we spent a lot of time fighting pirates. Like what was the point in removing Saber Slash and replacing it with Sinister Strike which is just the same ability, minus the pirate theming? And now we have hero talent trees, a system built around "engaging class fantasy", a perfect moment to give us the pirate theming back. And what do we get? "Fatebound". The only fate rogues are bound to right now is the destruction of our class. Rogue is in desperate need of a mid expansion rework. Because as it stands the class has gotten progressively less fun since legion.
@@intenzityd3181 you say that. But, as I said, what do we have now that it's gone? This isn't about less DPS. This is about rotations not being any fun.
@@ElitenOfficial Bro, all three specs are a joke. Blizzard is a joke in regards to rogue. This expansion looks so great but getting forced out of a class because of bad design is just sad. I do not care about dps. Rogues will probably once again rock the boards. But THREE passive hero talent trees is just a joke. Yes they are all passive. Coup de grace is not visually attractive. It is really sad to see them spitting on one of the most thematic classes of WoW. They could have been much more creative.
I’ve mained rogue since TBC, so sadly ill be playing that but thanks to warbands I’ll also be able to play my ele sham, frost dk, and either bm hunter or fury warrior.
Mage class frost fire has a massive problem. It literally doesn't proc fire spells if you're ice. If you're fire frost never activates. It's a known issue and the devs said they plan to fix it which is still not fixed. Compared to all other classes, the pay out on mage is just lacking for the high level of perfection needed to play the class.
I am so excited about this expansion. Finally, FINALLY the Frost DK has been improved to where it can be viable in raids and Mythic+. I fell in love with it during LK but finding a group in MoP and other expansions was crazy difficult.
Resto shaman is my pick. Hearing great things about it all-round, e.g. is extremely effective and satisfying to play, even in challenging content. Also hearing good things about elemental, which means I'll have a very nice dps spec to fall back on when needed.
Hunter and Warrior have always been my mains, probably just gonna keep playing them, not really feeling any of the other classes. A bit disappointed that neither of them really got many new things or changes tho.
But hey hopefully these changes will help them out performance wise overall . Very few changes stays average to above average for raid and m+ most of the time . But they will be fun absolutely no doubt
Looong time feral main here, experimentally the new feral changes don't really feel like that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. It's a little chunkier now, but not that big of a deal. However what actually is a bit wonky is the class tree overhaul, with the loss of Astral Influence (RIP the fun was detected) and with it alot of the passive choices don't feel good or too specialized to take which leads to taking more even more active abilities to trying and find keybinds in my already jam-packed bars.
Same though I have not played quite as long I started in shadow lands lol have mained a pally ever since. (Edit shadow lands also almost discouraged me from playing the class when I started learning about it more) thankfully I stuck with it
It feels like a pipe dream but I really hope they bake the DF tier set into the Demon Hunter talents. It feels so weird manually throwing glaives when I could be spending fury.
Unfortunately for Ele you mentioned the fire build a lot but they nerfed it to the ground to the point where we are doing lightning builds for both raid and M+ and its not worth pressing lava burst outside of after primordial wave for the haste buff because it got gutted so hard.
I’ve heard guardian is quite a strong tank, while warrior dps is middling at best from a competitive M+, perhaps raid rewards those specs differently, but I think it’s worth mentioning the difference between fun to play and effective to play
Excited to see your work on the "how to choose a main" content you mentioned, but I am going with mage. All three specs just look like good ol' fashioned fun
Personally, I haven't had a hard time choosing a main: I will always be a demonology warlock main - especially now! My biggest struggle is limiting myself on alts: I've earlier had both Enhancement Shaman, and Frost DK as alts to my warlock, but now I'm also looking at both Arcane Mage and Shadow Priest, and even an Outlaw Rogue on top of the Shaman and DK. They're all just fun to play!
Except for SoD I haven't played a Warriro as anything except for Prot since TBC. Finishing all the quests in every zone and I'm mostly done w/Hallowfaust but hit 80 before I left Rising Deps. Still haven't died from a fight yet including some delves. Really enjoying the Mountain Thane talents. All passive, just make me into Thor kinda. :)
I've had the same main since Wrath. not changing now. started a priest and parked them for a Death Knight and still play said death knight. when I leveled him back in the day I leveled BLOOD when it was the DPS spec! when I hit 80 (back then) went unholy and have NEVER and will NEVER change!
The list is actually absolutely spot on. No criticisms actually. I am going to main Shaman because every spec feels great and I think tank shaman is coming soon.
Eh, calling aldrachi a fine tree with a fun minigame is a pretty wild and unpopular take. To each their own tbf, but if that is his personal opinion then he should probably mention it's very different from the opinion of almost everyone else who has played it.
3/4 of my passed mains being strong candidates for War Within feels great. Balance, Unholy, Elemental, and Beastmaster. I played BM for both SL and DF. So I think I'll put my undead Elvirah on the shelf for a while. I'm strongly considering my unholy belf, especially if I keep him for Midnight. Rocking up to Quel'thalas with Wellish would feel great. I've only logged back onto him to do the Heritage Quest, so I think he's actually still at Silvermoon.
DH feels like it was forgotten about. The class has a lot of issues, especially with Havoc. As a DH main I feel like I’ll either have to find a raid spot as a Tank or find a new class to main. Warrior looks good.
Rogue as a 20+ year player especially r1 RGB sub player it looks good cause I the problem wasnt rogues in pvp it was the wack a mole healing. So if this has been toned down I will be very happy.
I jsut came back for TWW but last played heavily all through legion and BFA. The DK is just the most fun I have had with a class, Both DPS specs are great fun and feel very different, They are both performing well in most content. 100% the best nailed theming and asthetics of any class right now. I might be biased as DK has been my favorite to play since it was introduced but this time it doesn't just seem like just me.
Disappointed in the removal of tranq being able to be combined with (what I call) the circle jerk for resto druid but from the timelines that I have been playing, resto druids haven't really seen a lot of favoritism anyway.
I'm torn between maining BM hunter because I like how easy it is to play solo a lot of the time and get myself into trouble fighting stuff I probably shouldn't, or playing shadow priest since it sounds fitting for the new story.
I'm an Evoker main since it came out as I love dragons and DPS, Support & Healer which Evokers actually do very great at these three. So I keep playing them as main for years to come. I have alts anyway for other classes like Druids, Warlocks, Hunter, Priest, Shaman for professions and different kind of playstyle.
Definitely feeling Protection Warrior, and probably Mountain Thane for that. Not only is is thematic for my Dark Iron, but Prot warr is quite tanky at the cost of self sustain which has been nerfed on other tanks anyways. Couple this with the +12 key changes, and I think tanky tanks are going to be effective.
My Warband def gonna be Hunter/Evoker/Shaman/Druid. Its what i usually play anyway and nothing got enough of a shake up to make me consider otherwise. From a PvP standpoint im hearing a lot of differing opinions from Bellular's as well. Boomkin is apparently in a really good PvP spot and with Solo Q RBGs/Arenas and M+ being likely my focus, its looking like a solid option.
Probably going Ret Pally myself, is pretty much the go-to class for any fantasy game i play. Not overly fond of Rider of the Apocalypse; if the horsemen were just random undead/DK's rather than 'named' characters, i'd be fine with it - didnt know Scalecommander got temp minions though; was already looking at that hero class as a secondary 'toon to play. Also have to say, seeing everyone Skyriding on their fave mounts is really cool, very nice to see a mix of flying mounts instead of the same dragons of DF.
My main has been my Priest since TBC and will remain so in TWW. Just wished Professions' learnt recipes become account wide so I can change it without worrying about really rare to no longer obtainable recipes disappearing...
I like to play a try a new class as main every expansion, so it's either Warlock or Shaman for War Within I think. It does kinda pain me that DK and Paladin both look so good but I've already mained them before (in Legion and MoP/WoD), but one of them might be my main alt.
I think I am sticking with my BM hunter. As it is the easiest for me the do good DPS on while as a GM dealing with the drama that can come with raiding. :) Worked for me in DF, will stick with it in TWW. Possibly try out MM.
I've been a ret pally since TBC, but i also always love DKs. So my main two are in a good spot. Though im leaning towards Evoker and Monk for my gathering alts, for zoomy chill palate cleansers.
Probably betting on classes with both, healer and dps specs. I find it more fun. I'm one of the druid fans, I can always help friend with whatever they need. I'll also lvl a priest
I've been maining Fury Warrior for nearly 19 years and will continue to do so. I tested out SMF with the Slayer talents on the beta and was very intrigued.
Destro Lock (Human) Main since TBC/Wrath (2.4 Fire spec basically and especially once Chaos Bolt happened). Probably will go Hellcaller, but I setup a second new Destro (Void Elf) with a different build for Diabolist.
Timestamps please love the channel watch all you war within general update videos i agree with the majority of your takes i dont want to have to watch another youtuber for class updates because i have to sit through a bunch of info on classes i dont care about
Rogue Veteran here. Outlaw and Sub feel awful, but that’s not news. Assassination is really fun in Dungeons with the right build, but the spec can get boring in Raids very quickly. - Outlaw needs an actual rework. - Sub needs a prune. - Assassination needs some excitement.
Fatebound assassination specifically feels very good to me, as a former rogue main coming back to it. My old main subtlety is still doodoo though, which is sad. They should just bring back legion era sub, it was perfect back then.
i will be picking the worst class to level up 1st that's how i have always play WoW and you are a smart ass that make us have to watch this all the way to the end ( not taking it back)
retail has so many issues but one they could do to instantly make the game more fun is by removing procs from the game or at least most classes and just have it be part of a certain class but not as a game mechanic. i play these games to relax but procs are so annoying they're random and you have to constantly look at your actions bars for one to happen it just isn't fun or relaxing.
Main will be what it's been since MoP really. Windwalker monk. Not really changed from that at all. Whether or not I do Brewmaster again is not sure as I only did that as well back in MoP also. Not done Hunter since WOLK And not done Druid since TBC and again in Cataclysm. Thankfully the warband thing will just let me do more stuff on the monk and help to gear up and all the alts when I get around to levelling those up slowly during the expansion.
Correction: Prot warriors now have the OPTION to take a magic damage reduction, but really can't, because our talent choices are locked in pretty firmly.
Long-time fire mage here and I’m honestly quite disappointed with the changes. It doesn’t add anything new to do, you’ll basically always be triggering your Living bomb applications through the course of your normal rotation. It’s more damage sure, but no new interactivity or anything. The spec still plays exactly the same way
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1:50 DK
4:04 Mage
6:10 Paladin
8:07 Monk
10:38 Rogue
12:30 Druid
16:28 Warrior
18:00 Hunter
20:00 Warlock
21:38 Shaman
23:36 Priest
25:30 Evoker
Thank you🌟 My faith in humanity is restored.
God’s work done here 👌
Thanks for this list
24:32 Demon Hunters
Just here to make sure you say what I want to hear about the class I already decided to play and wont change under any circumstance.
Rogue?
Rogue for life.
I wish i was like you. But I want numbers 😢
@@3prasg57then bellular isnt who you should be watching to find the best classes
Same i couldn’t care less about meta. To casual
Use chapters next time please.
Wats chapters precious!?
I think they take a little time to show, similar to the buffering of an initial upload.
For the love of god it’s insane they don’t.
No chapters = more video view % per viewer.
You can decide for yourself if you (as a viewer) like this approach.
THIS! Especially for this type of a video.
Long time watcher here, just wanted to say I appreciate all of the effort you guys put into these videos!
Quick tip for when chapters don't exist, you can use the transcript
How?
I dont understand.
If I had done this video, I would have not mentioned Demon Hunter at all until the very end of the video and then went "Oh wait, we forgot Demon Hunter. Well that's ok, so did Blizzard. No harm done."
But rogues and boomkins want that place to cry too.
@@KippoKupothat’s actual cap lmao play style is aight but its dps is dog water atm
@@KippoKupovengeance is sometimes, havoc rarely
@ThisisDD yeah, Havoc is always doing way too much damage
@@kenjeguides3675 huh???
And always remember, the class you're having fun playing with is always S-Tier.
unless you have different priorities like getting a raid spot 99% of the time, which some classes dont have
Unless it sucks at the moment then no you won’t have fun
Fire mage inbound
If you are a super casual player yeah, but if you wanna do anything even remotely higher than that then absolutely no. Even for relatively mid tier content people are gonna want the meta classes in their group and that's a fact. I've been there so many times. Playing the class you enjoy sounds fun but once you start wasting literally hours on queue hoping to get into a group you will understand how painful it is.
As long as you play completely solo, and dont plan on trying to get invited to any groups.
"Our Final Verdict"
Ret main: 👀
Leaning towards Shaman due to how impactful and fresh the hero talents make it feel, particularly Farseer. Priest is a close second solely due to the flavor of Voidreaver. Can’t wait for your “choosing a main” video.
Blizzard really just reworked rogue only to shit on it the very next patch. What a waste of time.
Hero talents are very very uninspiring but assassination is looking to be in the prio for melee spot.
the hero talents are the biggest dogs*it.. both from fantasy and gameplay view... sadge rogue noise*
Same with havoc, which got roughly a third of the rework that the rogues did in DF and unironically fewer design changes than them in this beta (not trying to make it a contest i feel bad for rogues too, just wanted to give context). Also as for the hero trees, saying that aldrachi is a "fun minigame" is a WILDLY unpopular take. That tree is an abomination, and fel-scarred is a glorified aura buff. I wish blizz actually hired more developers so we could all be mages and death knights
@@TheDoodoomilk when did they rework rogue? I must be late to the game
Lol Assa is pretty insane atm
I suffer from Demon Hunter tankitis. I haven't touched another class since DH came out in Legion because the style of Vengeance tanking was absolutely AMAZING with the sigils, actually being able to CC multiple groups and time your sigils to prevent spells all while ripping souls out and spewing flames from your face.
So demon hunter will be good in The War Within? Or should i play another class?
@@Cabelius I've been playing for the last few days and Demon Hunter seems to be middle of the pack. If you know how to do your rotation you should be fine. I'm leveling a Mage, DK and DH right now and so far my DK is destroying in single boss fights right now without gear. The mage is ridiculous and I think they are going to top all charts. Ice and Arcane are INSANE.
You won't be breaking any records but you will be constantly above average but not in the top DPS slots. I think the only they suffer from is lack of raid utility, they get a couple skills but I think DK's will still be the top choice for having the rez, anti magic zone and their DPS is just astounding.
I saw a different video and they mentioned if you play a class that you are good with and understand well, you are going to do better than a "meta" class that you are unfamiliar with. I wouldn't worry about trying something new unless you want to.
I know I plan on getting a Shaman and hunter up as well. A lot of the hunters I saw were melting bosses. Maybe it was the scaling giving them weird stats but it was crazy.
I am BM Hunter all the way no matter what. I just love the class fantasy of BM Hunter.
ive been maining a ret pally since BC im so happy there still shinning each expansion.
As of this moment I'd probably go Arcane Mage > Augment Evoker > Resto Druid > Enhance Shammy /Survival Hunter. If tanking becomes an option (unlikely as main) would go Brewmaster Monk or Blood DK. Can you see how really really convinced and decided I am? Yea, it's a problem.
I have been a Ret Pali since the beginning. No reason to change now.
Amen. I’m torn between ret, dk and monk for melee. But ret burst is beautiful
I'm Prot/sometimes Holy or Ret
Prot paladin is not fun to tank. But being able to switch to healer is tremendous fun. Also bubble.
oof. The struggle back in the 2000's
Maybe try paying the other 2/3 of your class. You know, Protection and Holy.
That way if Ret gets nerfed into the ground you don’t feel like quitting the game and saying the entire game sucks
@@James-kv3ll Prot is apparently not in a great place right now.
A better argument for playing Holy is that DPS are overrepresented already.
I've been an enhance shaman main since BC and had ups and downs. So might stick to it, especially since the spec shaped up pretty good, although the button bloat is real, wish they would turn a bunch of those into passives like they did with Arcane Mages.
I’ll give you a crazy answer, but that’s what I actually do. I have 35 characters detailed in four documents with all the backgrounds, interactions, family trees, age and even if they are alive or not. I choose two group comps, one from the horde and one for the alliance, considering what I think will make more sense with the incoming content. Then I elect which character will drive their and the expansion narrative better and that’s how i choose the one that I’ll start.
And what’s now the final answer ???????
@@viisovari4544furry bm hunter
@@viisovari4544 This really came out of left field and genuinely surprised me, but my starting character will be my dracthyr. He is the only one in the current comp that has motivation to go, but not stay in all of the regions (the dwarfs will stay at the surface and in riging deeps at the start, the paladin will stay in hallowfall for the most part and the trolls (one is the previous wielder of Xala'tath) will mostly stay in Azj-kahet to fight off the nerubians. But the dracthyr as a researcher of the void and entrusted to recover the darkheart have a narrative reason to navigate through all the zones at the start. After the leveling storyline, considering what happens (I don't have any idea of the story for the zones) I'll reorganize considering how each one of them will react to the incoming content.
I have played the same one character for 19 years
Outlaw feels so bad in pre patch it’s actually kinda crazy
Pre patch means nothing , so u need to try it when live come
play Assa.
GOD DAMN thanks for the video and the nice and easy layout of the skill which many do not do
That steed was possibly the one thing that could have pulled me back to my old main the DK.
I'll be sticking to my two mains that I've had for the last few expansions: Ret/Prot Paladin and Frost/Fire mage!
I have always played Warlock and that is not changing. I just enjoy the class fantasy of being a master of the dark arts.
Nice. I literally was planning on playing either DK, Mage or Pally this next xpac, as they have been my favorite go-to specs ever since the days of wotlk (not the classic re-release). Now to figure out which one to actually focus as my main...
Will you be playing early and what content can we expect in the days between normal launch? Excited now!
Monk is the least played class because they don't use their weapons and their attack animations are goofy. 10:13
Haha that exact reason I don’t like play monk
Yup, this has always bothered me.
legit same
Was'nt there talk about a Glyph that lets you use Weapon animations?
@DD-jr4vt back in May. No idea what happened. And I think it was one ability.
Survival is gonna be big this expansion. Mark my words
As a long term rogue player I feel incredibly disappointed with what Blizz has done to my class. I genuinely have no idea what they are thinking. I play Outlaw, and I had a Shadow Dance based build going, but that's gone now. What am I supposed to build around now? Echoing Reprimand? I have to ask, is there anyone who actually LIKES Echoing Reprimand? I hated it from the second it was introduced in SL. It's a deeply un-fun ability. And it works terribly with Outlaw since I often get more than one combo points from my attacks. Making pinpointing a specific amount of combo points an incredibly finicky task. I will celebrate the day when they finally remove that ability from the game. But instead they remove abilities people like and actually use, like when they removed Marked for Death for no apparent reason.
Even our hero talent trees feel lame and poorly thought out. What the hell is "Fatebound"? Was a pirate based hero talent tree really too much to ask for? When they changed Combat to Outlaw in Legion they made a big deal about how this is now the pirate spec and gave us a bunch of pirate based theming. And then they promptly removed basically all of that in BfA, the expansion where we spent a lot of time fighting pirates. Like what was the point in removing Saber Slash and replacing it with Sinister Strike which is just the same ability, minus the pirate theming? And now we have hero talent trees, a system built around "engaging class fantasy", a perfect moment to give us the pirate theming back. And what do we get? "Fatebound". The only fate rogues are bound to right now is the destruction of our class.
Rogue is in desperate need of a mid expansion rework. Because as it stands the class has gotten progressively less fun since legion.
I fucking hate Echoing Reprimand.
Dance being in the class tree was a stupid decision that they left in for too long and they should have never balanced outlaw around it.
@@intenzityd3181 you say that. But, as I said, what do we have now that it's gone? This isn't about less DPS. This is about rotations not being any fun.
Play ASSA.
@@ElitenOfficial Bro, all three specs are a joke. Blizzard is a joke in regards to rogue. This expansion looks so great but getting forced out of a class because of bad design is just sad. I do not care about dps. Rogues will probably once again rock the boards. But THREE passive hero talent trees is just a joke. Yes they are all passive. Coup de grace is not visually attractive. It is really sad to see them spitting on one of the most thematic classes of WoW. They could have been much more creative.
I’ve mained rogue since TBC, so sadly ill be playing that but thanks to warbands I’ll also be able to play my ele sham, frost dk, and either bm hunter or fury warrior.
Mage class frost fire has a massive problem. It literally doesn't proc fire spells if you're ice. If you're fire frost never activates. It's a known issue and the devs said they plan to fix it which is still not fixed.
Compared to all other classes, the pay out on mage is just lacking for the high level of perfection needed to play the class.
I am so excited about this expansion. Finally, FINALLY the Frost DK has been improved to where it can be viable in raids and Mythic+. I fell in love with it during LK but finding a group in MoP and other expansions was crazy difficult.
Resto shaman is my pick. Hearing great things about it all-round, e.g. is extremely effective and satisfying to play, even in challenging content. Also hearing good things about elemental, which means I'll have a very nice dps spec to fall back on when needed.
Hello Bell and gang! Thanks again for the content. I think I am going Prot Pally as a main. As far as alts: shadow priest and ret pally.
Im doing Pally and Priest, for both the theme and gameplay. I really enjoy Shadow, and Ret has been my main for a while
Hunter and Warrior have always been my mains, probably just gonna keep playing them, not really feeling any of the other classes. A bit disappointed that neither of them really got many new things or changes tho.
But hey hopefully these changes will help them out performance wise overall . Very few changes stays average to above average for raid and m+ most of the time . But they will be fun absolutely no doubt
Hunter got something, broken aoe damage
Looong time feral main here, experimentally the new feral changes don't really feel like that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. It's a little chunkier now, but not that big of a deal.
However what actually is a bit wonky is the class tree overhaul, with the loss of Astral Influence (RIP the fun was detected) and with it alot of the passive choices don't feel good or too specialized to take which leads to taking more even more active abilities to trying and find keybinds in my already jam-packed bars.
I listened to you while I play wow/ hots I swear I have to repeat this video for my wow character like 10000 times
I'll main a paladin. I've always mained a paladin, and I will continue to main a paladin. Ret/Holy
Same here, since Bach to wrath
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Same though I have not played quite as long I started in shadow lands lol have mained a pally ever since. (Edit shadow lands also almost discouraged me from playing the class when I started learning about it more) thankfully I stuck with it
It feels like a pipe dream but I really hope they bake the DF tier set into the Demon Hunter talents. It feels so weird manually throwing glaives when I could be spending fury.
Unfortunately for Ele you mentioned the fire build a lot but they nerfed it to the ground to the point where we are doing lightning builds for both raid and M+ and its not worth pressing lava burst outside of after primordial wave for the haste buff because it got gutted so hard.
I've actually been enjoying dark ranger. It's allowed me to effectively use aimed shot quickly, rapidly throwing out heavy smacking abilities.
I’ve heard guardian is quite a strong tank, while warrior dps is middling at best from a competitive M+, perhaps raid rewards those specs differently, but I think it’s worth mentioning the difference between fun to play and effective to play
Excited to see your work on the "how to choose a main" content you mentioned, but I am going with mage. All three specs just look like good ol' fashioned fun
I’ve been a rogue since vanilla…it just seems wrong to change now. Trying to ignore the noise
Druid Main... Have been, Always will be... Will be playing Mage, Lock, And maybe adding Shammy in there but we will see.
Thank you for the info.
Personally, I haven't had a hard time choosing a main: I will always be a demonology warlock main - especially now! My biggest struggle is limiting myself on alts: I've earlier had both Enhancement Shaman, and Frost DK as alts to my warlock, but now I'm also looking at both Arcane Mage and Shadow Priest, and even an Outlaw Rogue on top of the Shaman and DK. They're all just fun to play!
cant believe they still haven't fixed kill-me spree after all these years
not having a dedicated main in wow is like not having a favorite team in sports, just wrong, weird and uncool.
I don’t think he’s talking about parsing or dps. He is referring to class design and play style
Like always I am playing Assa/Outlaw Rogue and Affli/Destru WL. Doesn't matter if Rogue is in the beginning of the addon a lil bit weak.
Except for SoD I haven't played a Warriro as anything except for Prot since TBC. Finishing all the quests in every zone and I'm mostly done w/Hallowfaust but hit 80 before I left Rising Deps. Still haven't died from a fight yet including some delves. Really enjoying the Mountain Thane talents. All passive, just make me into Thor kinda. :)
Thanks for the video guys much love 🖤
I've had the same main since Wrath. not changing now. started a priest and parked them for a Death Knight and still play said death knight. when I leveled him back in the day I leveled BLOOD when it was the DPS spec! when I hit 80 (back then) went unholy and have NEVER and will NEVER change!
The list is actually absolutely spot on. No criticisms actually.
I am going to main Shaman because every spec feels great and I think tank shaman is coming soon.
Eh, calling aldrachi a fine tree with a fun minigame is a pretty wild and unpopular take. To each their own tbf, but if that is his personal opinion then he should probably mention it's very different from the opinion of almost everyone else who has played it.
3/4 of my passed mains being strong candidates for War Within feels great. Balance, Unholy, Elemental, and Beastmaster. I played BM for both SL and DF. So I think I'll put my undead Elvirah on the shelf for a while. I'm strongly considering my unholy belf, especially if I keep him for Midnight. Rocking up to Quel'thalas with Wellish would feel great. I've only logged back onto him to do the Heritage Quest, so I think he's actually still at Silvermoon.
This sure is a video Bellular has ever made!
Going with Warrior for my main, Haven't full decided who to go next
DH feels like it was forgotten about. The class has a lot of issues, especially with Havoc.
As a DH main I feel like I’ll either have to find a raid spot as a Tank or find a new class to main. Warrior looks good.
Shadow being untouched is def not a good thing and what a huuuuuuuge shame it is that Archon is anywhere near relevant.
Rogue as a 20+ year player especially r1 RGB sub player it looks good cause I the problem wasnt rogues in pvp it was the wack a mole healing. So if this has been toned down I will be very happy.
I jsut came back for TWW but last played heavily all through legion and BFA. The DK is just the most fun I have had with a class, Both DPS specs are great fun and feel very different, They are both performing well in most content. 100% the best nailed theming and asthetics of any class right now. I might be biased as DK has been my favorite to play since it was introduced but this time it doesn't just seem like just me.
Disappointed in the removal of tranq being able to be combined with (what I call) the circle jerk for resto druid but from the timelines that I have been playing, resto druids haven't really seen a lot of favoritism anyway.
I'm torn between maining BM hunter because I like how easy it is to play solo a lot of the time and get myself into trouble fighting stuff I probably shouldn't, or playing shadow priest since it sounds fitting for the new story.
I'm an Evoker main since it came out as I love dragons and DPS, Support & Healer which Evokers actually do very great at these three. So I keep playing them as main for years to come. I have alts anyway for other classes like Druids, Warlocks, Hunter, Priest, Shaman for professions and different kind of playstyle.
My choice is a little easier now... I will play Warrio (1st Tank and Fury), 2nd will be Mage (Frost) and 3rd will be Rogue (Outlaw).
Definitely feeling Protection Warrior, and probably Mountain Thane for that. Not only is is thematic for my Dark Iron, but Prot warr is quite tanky at the cost of self sustain which has been nerfed on other tanks anyways. Couple this with the +12 key changes, and I think tanky tanks are going to be effective.
My Warband def gonna be Hunter/Evoker/Shaman/Druid. Its what i usually play anyway and nothing got enough of a shake up to make me consider otherwise. From a PvP standpoint im hearing a lot of differing opinions from Bellular's as well. Boomkin is apparently in a really good PvP spot and with Solo Q RBGs/Arenas and M+ being likely my focus, its looking like a solid option.
Hey guys - if by some weird coincidence I would come back to WoW, is it worth playing through Dragonflight, or just watch a recap and use a boost ?
just watch a recap, you get a Boost for free.
Rogue treatment alpha/beta/tww launch has been borderline criminal...
Wonder how the class lead got away with it? Basically phoned it in.
But they are op tho…
Rogues forgot to turn off stealth. Easily done!
Well I don't think outlaw rogues have much of a leg to stand on when it comes to complaining about "borderline criminal"!
@@Junebug89 Nor arm, since they were the most affected by the melee range nerf
awesome video! you guys did a great job. I will definitly start as DK Blood/Unholy (Main Since wotlk) maybe play something different S2
Probably going Ret Pally myself, is pretty much the go-to class for any fantasy game i play. Not overly fond of Rider of the Apocalypse; if the horsemen were just random undead/DK's rather than 'named' characters, i'd be fine with it - didnt know Scalecommander got temp minions though; was already looking at that hero class as a secondary 'toon to play.
Also have to say, seeing everyone Skyriding on their fave mounts is really cool, very nice to see a mix of flying mounts instead of the same dragons of DF.
Always played Frost Death Knight and Affliction Warlock, sticking to em :)
I can't decide. I need a healer to main with a strong/fun DPS spec. Could be monk, paladin, priest or shaman. Been maining holy priest since Legion.
My main has been my Priest since TBC and will remain so in TWW.
Just wished Professions' learnt recipes become account wide so I can change it without worrying about really rare to no longer obtainable recipes disappearing...
I like to play a try a new class as main every expansion, so it's either Warlock or Shaman for War Within I think. It does kinda pain me that DK and Paladin both look so good but I've already mained them before (in Legion and MoP/WoD), but one of them might be my main alt.
I think I am sticking with my BM hunter.
As it is the easiest for me the do good DPS on while as a GM dealing with the drama that can come with raiding. :) Worked for me in DF, will stick with it in TWW. Possibly try out MM.
Heavily considering as main: Unholy DK, Frost Mage
Potential main/primary alt: Affliction Wlock, Outlaw Rogue
Alts: Arms Warrior, TBD Shaman
I've been a ret pally since TBC, but i also always love DKs. So my main two are in a good spot. Though im leaning towards Evoker and Monk for my gathering alts, for zoomy chill palate cleansers.
Probably betting on classes with both, healer and dps specs. I find it more fun. I'm one of the druid fans, I can always help friend with whatever they need. I'll also lvl a priest
I've been maining Fury Warrior for nearly 19 years and will continue to do so. I tested out SMF with the Slayer talents on the beta and was very intrigued.
ive been maining fury for some years, took a break since last patch. Does it do big damage? how you feeling
Destro Lock (Human) Main since TBC/Wrath (2.4 Fire spec basically and especially once Chaos Bolt happened). Probably will go Hellcaller, but I setup a second new Destro (Void Elf) with a different build for Diabolist.
Rogue feels amazing.. I don’t think it’s as bad as you lay it out to be.
We’ll see it on mythic +.
Timestamps please love the channel watch all you war within general update videos i agree with the majority of your takes i dont want to have to watch another youtuber for class updates because i have to sit through a bunch of info on classes i dont care about
Rogue Veteran here.
Outlaw and Sub feel awful, but that’s not news. Assassination is really fun in Dungeons with the right build, but the spec can get boring in Raids very quickly.
- Outlaw needs an actual rework.
- Sub needs a prune.
- Assassination needs some excitement.
I would love to see a visual update to all spells and abilities. DK and shaman especially have some really old looking spell effects.
Them removing the rotating wildfire bombs on Survival broke my heart. It makes the class so unbelievably boring to play now.
Fatebound assassination specifically feels very good to me, as a former rogue main coming back to it. My old main subtlety is still doodoo though, which is sad. They should just bring back legion era sub, it was perfect back then.
i will be picking the worst class to level up 1st that's how i have always play WoW and you are a smart ass that make us have to watch this all the way to the end ( not taking it back)
Please pick what you want and find the coolest. Dont worry about dps they all are viable for all content. thats it
pretty happy with that 'clotting' line huh? I was too, Belluar.
retail has so many issues but one they could do to instantly make the game more fun is by removing procs from the game or at least most classes and just have it be part of a certain class but not as a game mechanic. i play these games to relax but procs are so annoying they're random and you have to constantly look at your actions bars for one to happen it just isn't fun or relaxing.
I'd love to see outlaw rogue turned into a gunslinger ranged class.
Main will be what it's been since MoP really. Windwalker monk. Not really changed from that at all.
Whether or not I do Brewmaster again is not sure as I only did that as well back in MoP also.
Not done Hunter since WOLK
And not done Druid since TBC and again in Cataclysm.
Thankfully the warband thing will just let me do more stuff on the monk and help to gear up and all the alts when I get around to levelling those up slowly during the expansion.
Correction: Prot warriors now have the OPTION to take a magic damage reduction, but really can't, because our talent choices are locked in pretty firmly.
im probably gonna rock with either mage or paly! might go ahead with my dh tho, ive REALLY been enjoying dh
My main will still be Havoc Demon Hunter.
My three alt favorites, will be Shadow Priestess, Elemental Shaman and Protection Paladin.
Balance is amazing because it is so simple now. Was a frost mage player but it got too complex for me since dragonflight
Long-time fire mage here and I’m honestly quite disappointed with the changes. It doesn’t add anything new to do, you’ll basically always be triggering your Living bomb applications through the course of your normal rotation. It’s more damage sure, but no new interactivity or anything. The spec still plays exactly the same way
Frost DK, Dev. Evoker, and Mage (any spec). They are all insanely fun to play.
Wow. Awesome time stamps