Actually allocating max memorry to the GPU makes no difference than allocating minimum, since its esentially all the same memorry, once you go over that minimum memorry it will start using more RAM, which is also the same memorry you previously allocated to the GPU. :D You re just limiting your system RAM, even when not gaming, because you cant use that 2gb Of "VRAM". Hardware Unboxed did a video on this.
It will make a little difference, the memory allocation is actually dynamic and it will 'take' more away from the system if it needs it and you have it to spare. You are either setting the minimum amount , the shared amount, or in some machines, the max amount it can take from the system ram - depending on the bios.
+J Fer It's an APU with HSA support so both the CPU and GPU can access the RAM directly. The setting is there because some games are hardcoded to detect the VRAM on dedicated cards, where either processor is limited by the PCIe bus when accessing the other processors RAM. With HSA the CPU can just throw the resources into RAM wherever it wants and tell the GPU it's there, and vice versa. It doesn't even have to be in continuous memory chunks anymore but I don't know how well Windows handles mixing memory. The PS4 is natively using HSA by the way.
+J Fer I don't think you understand what I'm saying. The memory split isn't a hard limit anymore in contrast to the Intel GPUs I think you're talking about (Intel GMA 845 perhaps?). Back then you had a fixed area at the highest physical address space which extended downwards. With HSA it can be scattered because both processors share the same memory controller. What this setting does is effectively emulating the old split behaviour until the reserved space is filled. By the way, I grew up with an Am386 CPU and a Tandy Video II card (not sure about the exact card because it was obviously a really long time ago). Your 3 MB of VRAM was massive by comparison ;)
CrappyGamerIs AFuckingFangirl You are a fucking Idiot, I was offered a better Intel processor with a better Motherboard and I still went with the Ryzen platform due to its editing capabilities, I am on neither side. I never, NEVER bought an Intel platform and I am glad I didn't with its current problems. when it comes to reality, AMD does have a habit that annoys me, they tend to exaggerate their products' capabilities when selling them. I went in and blindly bought my Ryzen based on AMD's claims and It wasn't as powerful as they said it was but it definitely handed Intel their ass.
Joona Valkonen Hmm. I just assumed that the GPU side of things are already sorted within the APU so maybe the ram needs improvement, but a new GPU doesn't sound too far off.
Check Hardware unboxed latest video (Ryzen 3 2200G, Overclocking Guide with a $20 Cooler!), it explains in detail how far you can push the CPU with that $20 Gamaxx cooler. He also mention that using the stock Wraith cooler he managed to OC the GPU to 1600MHz, but temps got around 80ºC+, I think that's a bit too much. To be on the safe side using the stock cooler, you're better off NOT overclocking the CPU, just the GPU to around 1400-1500MHz, with the lowest stable voltage you can get.
It is amazing how far did those integrated graphics cards get over past years. You can almost decently play contemporary triple A titles on it...of course solid dedicated gpu is always better but this is really good start for someone who isn't heavy gamer of someone who wants to have a new PC for productivity with a good upgrade path in the future to get into gaming too. And as always, nice video!:)
+Khanemis thanks :). Yeah, when you consider how APUs began, like the a4 3300 this really is a significant jump in performance. Would be cool if next gen we get APUs that can take on cards like the 1050
I wouldn't be surprised if the will manage that. Current APUs are already attacking 1030, so it is just a step up from that, especially with that extra time they will get:) One can only hope...
I find this dissapointing. It sometimes barely runs games at 1080p lowest settings and often requires lower resolution. AMD A10 7850K at its time tan AAA titles at 1080p even with medium settings. Generally faring much better than this thing. A10 7850K competed with GT x40 cards not with GT x30. Now this ryzen APU can't even beat 1030. I find this dissapointing.
Hey RGinHD, may I suggest that you try to do some tests at 900p in further videos? It's a nice resolution in-between 720 and 1080 and could prove a good sweet spot for some combinations of GPUs and games.
Actually ryzen 3 2200g is a great product if u consider price and performance. It might just become the next g4560 for the budget gamers. But had a very premature launch .there are some issues like motherboard bios not posting, bsod, and also there are people who don't know how to update bios.
I love how you test stuff. I see reviewers test budget stuff like this and then stick a >£100 watercool kit on it! Or they use really expensive ram etc. Keep up the good work!
Love it! Was anxiously awaiting your video :) Just built mom a new computer with the r3 2200G for her birthday. SSD, 8GB 3200 RAM, and an SSD along with Windows 10. Total build with new case and used PS... $400 USD. Cheers from across the pond mate! :)
Oh... haha yeah I got her the r3 2200G. Will consider the R5 2400G for a second computer. Found a bundle deal on New Egg for like $10 or so off a a320 mobo and processor. Ram prices sux tho lol
I had the PS sitting here... the Mobo was $50 (old stock on amazon)... r3=$100 amazon... SSD was $69 Amazon (250gb and she has a 500gb HDD already for storage)... RAM 8GB 3200 for $110... Case was generic from Amazon for $26... Windows 10 was from Kingwin for $30.. Pretty sure I paid $15 for the EVGA bronze Power supply used from a guy. So not bad for $400! I works great for her. She was soooo Surprised :) made my day when she did a speed test on the network and was getting 260mbs download speed. She was happier than I've seen her in years! And she used to have a DL Speed of 55mbps.
Finally someone showing gameplay with reasonable settings for this apu. I think you should include more "esports games" benchmarks, as many of those buying this apu will probably use it more for that type of games. Anyway, good job as always.
Crazy to think only 10 years ago you needed TWO nVidia 8800GT's (and a nuclear reactor to power them) that were $800 a piece to run Crysis @ max settings. Now we can do it with on-board graphics. Great video dude!
Others have suggested only giving the the bear minimen to the graphics as this will help in other things (Tasks) on the CPU side when not gaming. Giving the min memory to GPU will not hurt as if more memory is needed then thats taken from (if i understand rightly) memory then your SSD and old mechanical hard drives. Was so hoping to hear how well or bad Fallout 4 runs on this combo as for this old timer Fallout 4 and driving sims ETS2, ATS are all i play, youtube is watching. Thank you again for a lovely lighthearted look at us budget gamers and for your car channel too.
in kingdom come i found out that the game (at least mine) is forcing Vsync so i open console and type in *r_Vsync 0* and it gets me few more frames to spend :D
You might as well buy this one, a 20-40$ cooler (bigger the better physically) and use AMD's Master software to overclock it. Hardware Unboxed did an easy to follow guide (including a suggestion for the cooler) on how to get the most out of this.
Those additional 4 threads are useless for gaming, and the 2400G doesn't overclock anywhere as well, due to the added heat. I say that as someone who had a review sample before launch and had plenty of time to play around with both. :)
NovaDoll The 2400G is already pretty limited by the RAM bandwidth, so the extra GPU power won't scale that well. Overclocking doesn't do much for the 2400G, but the 2200G gets close to stock 2400G performance. The extra threads won't help it much in games, because the GPU/RAM are usually the bottleneck and if you upgrade the GPU, you might as well get a 1600 or whatever the equivalent will be at the time and repurpose the R3 in an HTPC or something.
At any rate you should be able to get most 2200Gs to do 3.7-3.9 (depending on luck) and the Vega iGPU to around 1.6ghz with ease on a cheap aftermarket cooler. That's enough to run most eSports games at a stable 60fps at 1080. That's pretty significant for entry level gaming, and you can toss a 1050TI or something similar in it for some extra power and not get a terrible bottleneck. Of course if you have the budget to go for a Ryzen 5 and a small GPU to begin with, the APUs are a bit under your level.
This APU is superb to be honest. But one thing that would've been awesome is if AMD offered on-die GPU memory on the APU (or a super fast cache helping out). Most AAA games suffers severely due to the lack of memory bandwidth, and the need of sharing memory between CPU and GPU just tanks performance in certain games and scenarios. Especially heavy DX9-DX11 streaming-engines like CryEngine, or Witcher3. Both the CPU- and GPU-core are, to be honest, more powerful than the practical result, and it pains me to see since it is going to such a missed opportunity. The CPU itself can run these games at 70+fps, but due to bandwidth limitations, it fails to reach above 60fps even if the CPU and GPU if they had separate memory.
With infinity fabric on board vram would make a huge difference in apu's. Surely this is to come. perhaps in the threadripper socket stuff some more gpu cores and on chip fast ram. I feel APU's will eventually kill all but high end gpu sales. This generation 3 teraflops is no joke for an igpu. Once they hit 6 teraflops they will be dipping into mid range gpu's. Where the bulk of the market share is. Its already happened these Ryzen Apu's just made rx 550 and gtx 1030 pointless for a new build...
I couldn't agree more. Just the thought of what you could fit into the AM4 platform when we reach 7nm is insane. The only thing that I am worried about is that AMD don't want to compete with their low-end line-up. Intentionally giving APU drawbacks (in order to keep the APUs from not being a 'too good' value proposition).... But then again, we have gone from PCs having separate components such as sound cards, network cards, controller cards (with north bridge south brige) etc. to having everything onboard the motherboard. It's just a matter of time before the APU becomes SoCs (and the very heart of the computer). Then they will handling everything. memory controller, I/O interfaces etc. Making the motherboard just a piece of PCB with lanes and ports without real technology.
really enjoyed this video mate you are so informative now across the resolution and from integrated to a gtx 1060 and above, i bet you have super sharp system building skills even for bigger budget modern high end hardware. keep it up my friend.
Possibly. Generally ram manufacturers test ram at various clockspeeds and label them based on the best reliable clock speeds they got. If that particular ram stick was stable enough for QA at 3000 or 3200 then it would have been sold as such. If it's labeled as 2400 ram then it's likely it failed manufacturer QA at higher clock speeds.
Evil bred actually, in my experience, manufacturers usually go with a 100% safe clock speed, even for the worst dimms, so usually you can get a little more out of them. I run my ram overclocked :)
Hardware Unboxed showed that you didn't actually need to set the VRAM to 2 GB because it could actually hinder performance in RAM limited scenarios. Though this didn't seem to be the case here anyway. Great content, Keep up the good videos!
I know it is beating a dead horse, and nothing you don't already know...but I just looked and going from 2400 MHz to 3200 MHz is $20 for an 8GB, dual-channel kit (based on glancing at NewEgg prices of kits with good reviews). I know the CPU is $99...but since it impacts CPU and GPU usage, I'd think the extra would be well-spent. GN just posted a video showing improvement between 10% and 15% (for some games) between 2400 and 3200 MHz kits on the R5 2400G. Budget gamers want the most for their money..so should know that $20 in one component might get you 10% performance before OC.
200k subs! That's phenomenal! Congrats! I'm glad that your channel is growing so quickly! It's a testament to the quality content that you produce. Keep up the good work, Man!
A friend did some testing after overclocking (3.8GHz, 1580mhz on the iGPU, 8gbs of DDR4-2933 RAM). GTA 5 ran with an avg of 68 fps on a mix of normal+high settings, csgo with 230fps avg. Really great value for budget gamers. Sub $300 budget 60fps gaming PCs are a thing now again.
That lurching stutter you saw while playing Kingdom Come: Deliverance in 720p was DEFINITELY caused by limitations in system memory bandwidth, which was delaying the engine's ability to stream assets in and out of memory. Buying faster RAM (or overclocking your current kit) would go a long way to solve that.
i bought and built this CPU... it is awesome for the price and you can always buy a seperate graphics card to upgrade your PC... the 3.5 ghz with 4 cores is quite good for that price. and the graphics is more important at that point, it is when you get to gtx 1070 or higher when you need a better CPU for better gaming performance with the latest most graphic required games.
Great video as usual. I realy wanted to see a budget gamer's opinion on the 2200g since this is not really the case with bigger channels especially with 8gb of RAM
You should try sticking a GTX 1050 or a GTX 1060 in there. Most APU's point is to provide you with a good enough experience if you, let's say, you bought it, thinking that you want to stick a dedicated GPU in there sometime later. Otherwise its still very good on it's own if you want to play some slightly older games, or newer games at a lower resolution and settings. Great video!
Been waiting for your review ever since these was released. If my gpu goes out I will have to build an apu pc just to game. Amazing bang for your buck with a wicked upgrade path. Amd should grab a large bunch of market share considering current gpu prices.
Great video. You showed us screen tearing on non a-sync monitor, you should do video comparing low budget cards or apu and budget freesync monitors. Imho when you on a budget cheap AMD + freesync monitor adds smoothness to a gameplay.
I'd love to build a system from second hand parts, because that can offer the best value, but where I am, there is no second hand market to speak of, and whatever I want needs to be shipped here anyway, bumping up the price. These new APUs are VERY tempting, so much so that I'm saving what little spare cash I have to build a new rig around one.
finally a cool vid,i have to says this thing is good,you don't need a gpu,you can use the apu,another great point,this can play pubg smoothly at 50-60fps,much awesome than intel igpu.
you can buy 2800mhz ram for just 5-10 dollars more if you are buying 8gb of ram in dual channel. (looking at newegg) the lowest priced 2x4 gb ddr4 is $87 while you can get some 2800mhz ram for $93. from there you could probably push it to 2933+, which is a substantial gain, (10%+) for gaming at 1080p and well worth the marginal increase in price. also it doesn't matter how much ram you allocate, as it will go back through the system ram anyway, so leaving it at the lowest setting actually allows you to have more ram for other tasks and be able to manage your ram/vram consumption much more easily.
At least you can run every game by tweaking with ingame settings and without turning shadows and textures off completely, like on other APU's. In fact you get an really similar performance as on base PS4 or Xbox One, pretty impressive.
I would LOVE to see them make a Ryzen 7 APU with something close to 16 or 20 GPU cores. It would open up some pretty awesome small form factor systems we just can't really create with the current hardware on the market.
0:48 I have seen tests where the minimum possible about of system memory was dedicated to the GPU and the results were near identical to when 2 gigs was set for the GPU. Can you confirm that?
Looking forward for the 2400G review, I think that is the better option since it has better GPU and more CPU for when you upgrade to proper GPU P.S. Yes I know what APU means
Hey Random, the benchmarks are really nice but they seem to miss a comparison to a market standard, I personally think that would increase the quality of your video's. Keep up the good work!
The nice thing is that according to Hardware unboxed you can really overclock the hell out of the GPU and get sizeable performance improvements (the CPU as well, of course). I think the R5 2400G is probably a better value as it can be overclocked similar amounts but has more compute units and SMT.
The Ryzen 2200g is actually faster than the 1300X so while the Graphic Card are still high you can game on the on board graphics, and when the prices goes back to a sane levels you can slap in a GTX 1060, and have a great budget build. All while saving $25+ U.S. dollars. I am really impressed with the price vs performance plus keeping the energy consumption low.
Probably even works as a stop gap allowing you to game while saving up to purchase (and/or waiting for prices to decrease) a dedicated GPU, and even upgrade CPU in the future.
Thank you so much for your review! I am playing Assassin's Creed: Origins on a GT 1030 and Intel Pentium and so I don't mind playing it on an APU. The good part is that you don't need a graphics card since I have a strict budget and really want to upgrade to a next gen platform like either Ryzen or Coffee Lake but Intel is too expensive right now and this Raven Ridge APU looks very tempting. Just for the sh*t's and giggles, I am tempted to get an Xbox 360 case, paint it black, and install an ITX motherboard in it and use a pico power supply and an SSD for storage that I already have. If I ever want to use a graphics card I will just use an EGPU dock or something.
A pretty good budget CPU indeed, especially given the climate of the current GPU market. As of now, the only viable GPUs I can see in the UK is the GTX 1050 for around £115 - 130 which would be a nice pairing with this CPU.
2666 and 2400mhz kits are priced the same and btw, you can allocate 128mb on the igpu it will still pose the same result vs 2gb being allocated, no difference at all.
These things are phenomenal value for the average family or multimedia PC, and some light gaming. But the elephant in the room is the rising DDR4 prices. For the same cost of a 2200G, a B350 motherboard, and 8 GB of DDR4, you can get a 6C/12T Xeon E5-1650, a decent overclockable Chinese X79 board, 16 GB of ECC DDR3, and a used mid-range graphics card. Of course, it all depends on how important warranty is to you.
I went and checked prices for a build for this and noticed that a B350 board with 4 ram slots are only $10 more then a 2 ram slot board and what it seems like in these videos is that the ram may limit the performance. I say get 2 x 4GB sticks at 1st then get another when your money is ready for more ram. I just love what AMD has done with these APU's as online games may be the option why I would get this 😁
I am impressed with the Ryzen series. Considering how expensive video cards are it is worth buying more RAM and Ryzen 5 with APU. I just have an old game collection and the only current titles I play is World of Tanks and Star Craft 2. Add an SSD and I think it would make a nice little system. Right now I have an FX 6100 (16GB) with a GTX 650 with 2GB. Does the job but is showing it's age.
Can you test AMD's ReLive software for capture/streaming using the GPU? Also faster RAM generally isn't much more expensive, and don't forget to include overclocking with the faster RAM maybe.
There's no need to set the VRAM at 2GB. That one makes the system reserves 2GB at all times even when not necessary, 512MB is more than enough. When playing the system will allocate more memory to video as necessary.Also, why 720p? If 1080p is too much, why not lowering just a bit, to 900p?
I would love to say it's a great alternative in the current market with inflated GPU prices, however, considering the RAM prices... RAM, much RAM and fast RAM is very needed on this configuration with an APU
Yes but there's a huge difference in price from 2400mhz ram to a, let's say, 3000mhz. a 2800mhz would probably be okayish, at least in my country... the difference from single channel to dual channel is very small in price, and, from what i've heard, huge in performance. www.pcdiga.com/ddr4/formato-dimm/dimm-/-udimm/configura%C3%A7%C3%A3o-de-mem%C3%B3ria/8-gb-%282-x-4-gb%29-8-gb-%281-x-8-gb%29
I really wonder if this "ryzen" also sees massive gains from using 3200mhz memory instead of 2400mhz, also dual channel MUST be used, it seems to help quite a bit according to techyescity. Love your videos man. I'm a proud 1700x and Vega 64 owner :)
Exoduxl Yes absolutely depending on the memory configuration you will see upwards of %10 percent performance? And the 2400g is a larger more memory starved GPU and you get that to OC to 1600mhz you are looking very pretty.
+Exoduxl It will. Btw there are tons of videos that test the exact thing you're asking. IMO, If you don't plan to get a GPU for at least 2 years, 3200mhz RAM is worth buying. If you want to get a new GPU (Nvidia is rumored to release new series this year), stick to 2666/2400 and you can spend the money on stronger GPU later.
Hi Steve, Great content as always, but I wondered if you could take a closer look into what you personally could do with this chip if you over clock the GPU. Just an idea you could base future videos on, but afaik even A320 boards allow you to OC the igpu. Also, 3000mhz ram is often similarly priced to 2400mhz, so you could compare stock vs igpu+ram oc'd, you could also try the ultra budget cooler hardwareunboxed used. If anyone can extract the most performance out of this chip it's you.
Awesome job! from the many videos I've seen on the 2200G 1st time I noticed anyone mention the V-ram cap of 2 GB of system memory. So my next question is what about the 2400G? those that APU have a greater V-'ram cap of RAM of 2 GB? Keep them videos coming and as always " see u on the next one" LOL
If I wanted to build a light editing PC I would go for the 2400G and maybe a e-sports dedicated gaming PC. However, for anything else gaming I would go for the Ryzen 1200 and pair it with a GTX 1050 or 1050Ti for budget gaming (considering launch prices, though). I know it's more expensive but I think it's worth it.
Great video! One thing that I’ve done with older or less powerful hardware is the past has Been to run my games at 1600x900. I find it to be a very good Sweet spot if your games are almost playable at 1080p and it looks a whole lot better than 720p. Have you tried any games at this resolution?
The problem with these new APUs along with how ryzen benefits from faster ram is the dilema of spending a ton of extra money on fast ram or go with slower ram and a discrete GPU, The cost will be about the same. Maybe do a comparison between this and an similar budget intel setup with a discrete GPU factored into the price and see which one is better
Would you recommend buying this APU just for the CPU? It looks like it's great value for money, especially for those who already have a lower end GPU (like I do with the GTX 770).
It's great that AMD have priced it so well. However, on second thoughts, if it's just the CPU that's needed, it's probably better to wait for the 'full fat' Ryzen 2.
Actually allocating max memorry to the GPU makes no difference than allocating minimum, since its esentially all the same memorry, once you go over that minimum memorry it will start using more RAM, which is also the same memorry you previously allocated to the GPU. :D
You re just limiting your system RAM, even when not gaming, because you cant use that 2gb Of "VRAM".
Hardware Unboxed did a video on this.
Ah of course. I'll give that a watch :)
But not in all games
It will make a little difference, the memory allocation is actually dynamic and it will 'take' more away from the system if it needs it and you have it to spare.
You are either setting the minimum amount , the shared amount, or in some machines, the max amount it can take from the system ram - depending on the bios.
+J Fer It's an APU with HSA support so both the CPU and GPU can access the RAM directly. The setting is there because some games are hardcoded to detect the VRAM on dedicated cards, where either processor is limited by the PCIe bus when accessing the other processors RAM. With HSA the CPU can just throw the resources into RAM wherever it wants and tell the GPU it's there, and vice versa. It doesn't even have to be in continuous memory chunks anymore but I don't know how well Windows handles mixing memory. The PS4 is natively using HSA by the way.
+J Fer I don't think you understand what I'm saying. The memory split isn't a hard limit anymore in contrast to the Intel GPUs I think you're talking about (Intel GMA 845 perhaps?). Back then you had a fixed area at the highest physical address space which extended downwards. With HSA it can be scattered because both processors share the same memory controller. What this setting does is effectively emulating the old split behaviour until the reserved space is filled.
By the way, I grew up with an Am386 CPU and a Tandy Video II card (not sure about the exact card because it was obviously a really long time ago). Your 3 MB of VRAM was massive by comparison ;)
But can it run crys.... oh..
It can though.
CrappyGamerIs AFuckingFangirl You are a fucking Idiot, I was offered a better Intel processor with a better Motherboard and I still went with the Ryzen platform due to its editing capabilities, I am on neither side. I never, NEVER bought an Intel platform and I am glad I didn't with its current problems. when it comes to reality, AMD does have a habit that annoys me, they tend to exaggerate their products' capabilities when selling them. I went in and blindly bought my Ryzen based on AMD's claims and It wasn't as powerful as they said it was but it definitely handed Intel their ass.
Edit: the joke was, that people always said this on every video as a joke, but he actually did test it in this one, not bashing any product :)
i might actually buy this one for server hosting stuff, its pretty guuud for the price. have to do some more research tho.
sorta can. I downloaded my old Crysis steam game and ran at over 200fps at 1440p ultra GTX1060 9gbps
These apus are incredibile for budget builds!
Tew On
What do you upgrade if you wanna make the performance a little better?
a dedicated graphics card
F4Y541 you buy gpu like gtx1050ti
Joona Valkonen
Hmm. I just assumed that the GPU side of things are already sorted within the APU so maybe the ram needs improvement, but a new GPU doesn't sound too far off.
get an xbox lol
Also, overclocking that Vega GPU using AMD software, its easily achievable 1600Mhz
adec avdic but with stock cooler temps will be really hot after clocking that high...
Worgen4ik not really, just leave the CPU alone and have fun
adec avdic no point he hasn’t got good ram speeds wouldn’t make a difference
adec avdic liquid metal delid?
Check Hardware unboxed latest video (Ryzen 3 2200G, Overclocking Guide with a $20 Cooler!), it explains in detail how far you can push the CPU with that $20 Gamaxx cooler. He also mention that using the stock Wraith cooler he managed to OC the GPU to 1600MHz, but temps got around 80ºC+, I think that's a bit too much. To be on the safe side using the stock cooler, you're better off NOT overclocking the CPU, just the GPU to around 1400-1500MHz, with the lowest stable voltage you can get.
It is amazing how far did those integrated graphics cards get over past years. You can almost decently play contemporary triple A titles on it...of course solid dedicated gpu is always better but this is really good start for someone who isn't heavy gamer of someone who wants to have a new PC for productivity with a good upgrade path in the future to get into gaming too. And as always, nice video!:)
+Khanemis thanks :). Yeah, when you consider how APUs began, like the a4 3300 this really is a significant jump in performance. Would be cool if next gen we get APUs that can take on cards like the 1050
I wouldn't be surprised if the will manage that. Current APUs are already attacking 1030, so it is just a step up from that, especially with that extra time they will get:) One can only hope...
I find this dissapointing. It sometimes barely runs games at 1080p lowest settings and often requires lower resolution. AMD A10 7850K at its time tan AAA titles at 1080p even with medium settings. Generally faring much better than this thing. A10 7850K competed with GT x40 cards not with GT x30. Now this ryzen APU can't even beat 1030. I find this dissapointing.
Except that the top end ryzen APU right now beats the gt 1030 in a good amount of titles when paired with high speed ram.
get some 3200 ram, and this thing's big brother, the 2400g, and it can do exactly what you are saying.
Hey RGinHD, may I suggest that you try to do some tests at 900p in further videos? It's a nice resolution in-between 720 and 1080 and could prove a good sweet spot for some combinations of GPUs and games.
Give your meat a good ol rub.
JCG hehe yeah boiii
Just add a couple fps to the 720p result, saves time
I have a 900p monitor, so this would be extremely helpful!
A sweet spot for the rx550 tbh
Actually ryzen 3 2200g is a great product if u consider price and performance. It might just become the next g4560 for the budget gamers. But had a very premature launch .there are some issues like motherboard bios not posting, bsod, and also there are people who don't know how to update bios.
Yea there no cheap mobos that support apud out of the box
they said they cant ship to my country :(
what country? im starting to lose hope as i request a kit but i live in south east asia.
Georgia
@@spacy9571 dude hi,you from Georgia too?
I love how you test stuff. I see reviewers test budget stuff like this and then stick a >£100 watercool kit on it! Or they use really expensive ram etc. Keep up the good work!
Love it! Was anxiously awaiting your video :) Just built mom a new computer with the r3 2200G for her birthday. SSD, 8GB 3200 RAM, and an SSD along with Windows 10. Total build with new case and used PS... $400 USD. Cheers from across the pond mate! :)
Leechburg Lights cool! Cpu or apu?
Oh... haha yeah I got her the r3 2200G. Will consider the R5 2400G for a second computer. Found a bundle deal on New Egg for like $10 or so off a a320 mobo and processor. Ram prices sux tho lol
Leechburg Lights why not ab350? Idk, i couldnt manage to make an computer with ssd with only 400$
Leechburg Lights i took this: hyperx savage 2x4gb ddr4 3200mhz(150$) gigabyte ab350n gaming wifi(around 140), and r3 2200g (130$in my country)
I had the PS sitting here... the Mobo was $50 (old stock on amazon)... r3=$100 amazon... SSD was $69 Amazon (250gb and she has a 500gb HDD already for storage)... RAM 8GB 3200 for $110... Case was generic from Amazon for $26... Windows 10 was from Kingwin for $30.. Pretty sure I paid $15 for the EVGA bronze Power supply used from a guy. So not bad for $400! I works great for her. She was soooo Surprised :) made my day when she did a speed test on the network and was getting 260mbs download speed. She was happier than I've seen her in years! And she used to have a DL Speed of 55mbps.
I went with this cpu, a Radeon rx 580 8 gb oc edition and 2x 8gb sticks of Corsair vengeance 2400 ram and a tomahawk b450 motherboard.
Do you get good performance?
Finally someone showing gameplay with reasonable settings for this apu. I think you should include more "esports games" benchmarks, as many of those buying this apu will probably use it more for that type of games. Anyway, good job as always.
How will it perform with a gtx 1050 ti oc
It will have no problems whatsover
Tyron18 I mean by performance?
The 1050ti will perform good with this cpu, no bottleneck should happen, it's not a very powerful gpu anyway
Amazing, better than a 1200, and if your gpu is late or dies, you can still game a bit! You also will be able to overclock more easily than a 1200.
With an R3 1200, I don't remember if stock or OC'd, performance increase stops at 1070.
Crazy to think only 10 years ago you needed TWO nVidia 8800GT's (and a nuclear reactor to power them) that were $800 a piece to run Crysis @ max settings. Now we can do it with on-board graphics. Great video dude!
Others have suggested only giving the the bear minimen to the graphics as this will help in other things (Tasks) on the CPU side when not gaming. Giving the min memory to GPU will not hurt as if more memory is needed then thats taken from (if i understand rightly) memory then your SSD and old mechanical hard drives.
Was so hoping to hear how well or bad Fallout 4 runs on this combo as for this old timer Fallout 4 and driving sims ETS2, ATS are all i play, youtube is watching.
Thank you again for a lovely lighthearted look at us budget gamers and for your car channel too.
How could anyone dislike this guy's videos? BTW great content as always, keep it up.
Great vid. Waited for you to make a vid about Ryzen 2200G with 2400Mhz RAM since that's the more realistic approach for a budget gamer.
Now we can find this processor on the used market for as low as $38 (atleast in Russia)! Crazy good value.
in kingdom come i found out that the game (at least mine) is forcing Vsync so i open console and type in *r_Vsync 0* and it gets me few more frames to spend :D
You're awesome! You were the first I've seen to use 2400hz ram as well as testing it for editing
Loving this format of ur reviews..more games tested and u gave this apu the justice it needed..keep it up randomgaminginhd
Can you please also test the 2400g? Would be really happy to see a comparison from you! Keep up your good work!
You might as well buy this one, a 20-40$ cooler (bigger the better physically) and use AMD's Master software to overclock it.
Hardware Unboxed did an easy to follow guide (including a suggestion for the cooler) on how to get the most out of this.
Mansen it has less vega core and less threads. Most people are buying the 2400g. I completely sold out of them in 2 days of Release.
Those additional 4 threads are useless for gaming, and the 2400G doesn't overclock anywhere as well, due to the added heat. I say that as someone who had a review sample before launch and had plenty of time to play around with both. :)
NovaDoll The 2400G is already pretty limited by the RAM bandwidth, so the extra GPU power won't scale that well. Overclocking doesn't do much for the 2400G, but the 2200G gets close to stock 2400G performance. The extra threads won't help it much in games, because the GPU/RAM are usually the bottleneck and if you upgrade the GPU, you might as well get a 1600 or whatever the equivalent will be at the time and repurpose the R3 in an HTPC or something.
At any rate you should be able to get most 2200Gs to do 3.7-3.9 (depending on luck) and the Vega iGPU to around 1.6ghz with ease on a cheap aftermarket cooler. That's enough to run most eSports games at a stable 60fps at 1080.
That's pretty significant for entry level gaming, and you can toss a 1050TI or something similar in it for some extra power and not get a terrible bottleneck. Of course if you have the budget to go for a Ryzen 5 and a small GPU to begin with, the APUs are a bit under your level.
This APU is superb to be honest. But one thing that would've been awesome is if AMD offered on-die GPU memory on the APU (or a super fast cache helping out). Most AAA games suffers severely due to the lack of memory bandwidth, and the need of sharing memory between CPU and GPU just tanks performance in certain games and scenarios. Especially heavy DX9-DX11 streaming-engines like CryEngine, or Witcher3. Both the CPU- and GPU-core are, to be honest, more powerful than the practical result, and it pains me to see since it is going to such a missed opportunity. The CPU itself can run these games at 70+fps, but due to bandwidth limitations, it fails to reach above 60fps even if the CPU and GPU if they had separate memory.
With infinity fabric on board vram would make a huge difference in apu's. Surely this is to come. perhaps in the threadripper socket stuff some more gpu cores and on chip fast ram. I feel APU's will eventually kill all but high end gpu sales. This generation 3 teraflops is no joke for an igpu. Once they hit 6 teraflops they will be dipping into mid range gpu's. Where the bulk of the market share is.
Its already happened these Ryzen Apu's just made rx 550 and gtx 1030 pointless for a new build...
I couldn't agree more. Just the thought of what you could fit into the AM4 platform when we reach 7nm is insane. The only thing that I am worried about is that AMD don't want to compete with their low-end line-up. Intentionally giving APU drawbacks (in order to keep the APUs from not being a 'too good' value proposition).... But then again, we have gone from PCs having separate components such as sound cards, network cards, controller cards (with north bridge south brige) etc. to having everything onboard the motherboard. It's just a matter of time before the APU becomes SoCs (and the very heart of the computer). Then they will handling everything. memory controller, I/O interfaces etc. Making the motherboard just a piece of PCB with lanes and ports without real technology.
Just remember that it would also be at least double the price even with just 2GB. HBM2 memory prices are extortionate.
If by superb you mean a piece of crap
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really enjoyed this video mate you are so informative now across the resolution and from integrated to a gtx 1060 and above, i bet you have super sharp system building skills even for bigger budget modern high end hardware. keep it up my friend.
You still can oc that 2400 ram
Possibly. Generally ram manufacturers test ram at various clockspeeds and label them based on the best reliable clock speeds they got. If that particular ram stick was stable enough for QA at 3000 or 3200 then it would have been sold as such. If it's labeled as 2400 ram then it's likely it failed manufacturer QA at higher clock speeds.
Evil bred actually, in my experience, manufacturers usually go with a 100% safe clock speed, even for the worst dimms, so usually you can get a little more out of them. I run my ram overclocked :)
they test for certain speeds at a set voltage, usually 1.25 or 1.35. DDR4 can handle up to 1.5v
Can confirm that I have 2400 FlareX and it runs at 3000MHz 1.35v 16 18 18 18 18 38 1 right now.
It doesn't matter, RAM performance on Ryzen platforms is terrible!
Yea you should definitely do a follow up vid with overclocking on both the cpu and GPU it'd be cool to see the performance difference.
Hardware Unboxed showed that you didn't actually need to set the VRAM to 2 GB because it could actually hinder performance in RAM limited scenarios. Though this didn't seem to be the case here anyway.
Great content, Keep up the good videos!
+TinkerTavern yeah someone else just said that too. I'll give that video a watch :)
RandomGaminginHD Awesome!
Can't wait to see any future content on these APU's, if you decide to make any
I know it is beating a dead horse, and nothing you don't already know...but I just looked and going from 2400 MHz to 3200 MHz is $20 for an 8GB, dual-channel kit (based on glancing at NewEgg prices of kits with good reviews). I know the CPU is $99...but since it impacts CPU and GPU usage, I'd think the extra would be well-spent. GN just posted a video showing improvement between 10% and 15% (for some games) between 2400 and 3200 MHz kits on the R5 2400G. Budget gamers want the most for their money..so should know that $20 in one component might get you 10% performance before OC.
200k subs! That's phenomenal! Congrats! I'm glad that your channel is growing so quickly! It's a testament to the quality content that you produce. Keep up the good work, Man!
A friend did some testing after overclocking (3.8GHz, 1580mhz on the iGPU, 8gbs of DDR4-2933 RAM). GTA 5 ran with an avg of 68 fps on a mix of normal+high settings, csgo with 230fps avg. Really great value for budget gamers. Sub $300 budget 60fps gaming PCs are a thing now again.
>cheaper ram
Wrong choice of words for todays market! Loved the video as always, keep them coming!
Well, $999,999.99 is technically cheaper than $1 million.
That lurching stutter you saw while playing Kingdom Come: Deliverance in 720p was DEFINITELY caused by limitations in system memory bandwidth, which was delaying the engine's ability to stream assets in and out of memory. Buying faster RAM (or overclocking your current kit) would go a long way to solve that.
i bought and built this CPU... it is awesome for the price and you can always buy a seperate graphics card to upgrade your PC... the 3.5 ghz with 4 cores is quite good for that price. and the graphics is more important at that point, it is when you get to gtx 1070 or higher when you need a better CPU for better gaming performance with the latest most graphic required games.
Great video as usual. I realy wanted to see a budget gamer's opinion on the 2200g since this is not really the case with bigger channels especially with 8gb of RAM
Congrats on 200k
Great Review of the R3 2200G! No expensive ram and other pricey parts included...
You should try sticking a GTX 1050 or a GTX 1060 in there. Most APU's point is to provide you with a good enough experience if you, let's say, you bought it, thinking that you want to stick a dedicated GPU in there sometime later. Otherwise its still very good on it's own if you want to play some slightly older games, or newer games at a lower resolution and settings. Great video!
Been waiting for your review ever since these was released. If my gpu goes out I will have to build an apu pc just to game. Amazing bang for your buck with a wicked upgrade path. Amd should grab a large bunch of market share considering current gpu prices.
This was the most informative ryzen apu!
Great video. You showed us screen tearing on non a-sync monitor, you should do video comparing low budget cards or apu and budget freesync monitors. Imho when you on a budget cheap AMD + freesync monitor adds smoothness to a gameplay.
just sold my first 2200G system for 280$ client is amazed and surprized (mostly e-sports/moba titles) he is really happy great uber budget systems!
VERY NICE. I was waiting for this
I'd love to build a system from second hand parts, because that can offer the best value, but where I am, there is no second hand market to speak of, and whatever I want needs to be shipped here anyway, bumping up the price. These new APUs are VERY tempting, so much so that I'm saving what little spare cash I have to build a new rig around one.
Great video Thanks for it, very very useful video.
This is the apu I use on a daily basis to play overwatch, csgo, and other games, and it does great
finally a cool vid,i have to says this thing is good,you don't need a gpu,you can use the apu,another great point,this can play pubg smoothly at 50-60fps,much awesome than intel igpu.
Excellent vid as always . Thanks!!
you can buy 2800mhz ram for just 5-10 dollars more if you are buying 8gb of ram in dual channel. (looking at newegg) the lowest priced 2x4 gb ddr4 is $87 while you can get some 2800mhz ram for $93. from there you could probably push it to 2933+, which is a substantial gain, (10%+) for gaming at 1080p and well worth the marginal increase in price.
also it doesn't matter how much ram you allocate, as it will go back through the system ram anyway, so leaving it at the lowest setting actually allows you to have more ram for other tasks and be able to manage your ram/vram consumption much more easily.
i won't lie, this is much better than i thought it would be.
i'd buy a laptop with this chip. it's easily a worthy upgrade from my 650m one.
At least you can run every game by tweaking with ingame settings and without turning shadows and textures off completely, like on other APU's.
In fact you get an really similar performance as on base PS4 or Xbox One, pretty impressive.
Great processor and video performance!
What app do you use to check CPU & GPU Usage & also FPS
MSI Afterburner might have an onscreen option in its settings. And many newer big games have it in their benchmark.
I would LOVE to see them make a Ryzen 7 APU with something close to 16 or 20 GPU cores. It would open up some pretty awesome small form factor systems we just can't really create with the current hardware on the market.
0:48 I have seen tests where the minimum possible about of system memory was dedicated to the GPU and the results were near identical to when 2 gigs was set for the GPU. Can you confirm that?
Looking forward for the 2400G review, I think that is the better option since it has better GPU and more CPU for when you upgrade to proper GPU
P.S. Yes I know what APU means
Wow, already over 200k subs? Congrats mate!
Hey Random, the benchmarks are really nice but they seem to miss a comparison to a market standard, I personally think that would increase the quality of your video's. Keep up the good work!
Overwatch (1080p) = 4895 MB (4.78 GB)
Overwatch (720p) = 4793 MB (4.68 GB)
GTA V (1080p) = 3610 MB (3.52 GB)
GTA V (720p): 3837 MB (3.74 GB)
Dirt 4 (1080p): 2898 MB (2.83 GB)
Dirt 4 (720p): 2912 MB (2.84 GB)
AC Origins (1080p): 4537 MB (4.43 GB)
AC Origins (720p): 4414 MB (4.31 GB)
BF1 (1080p): 3384 MB
Is it good to pair 2200g with 16 gb of 3000 mhz corsair vengeance lpx and asus prime b450 plus???
The nice thing is that according to Hardware unboxed you can really overclock the hell out of the GPU and get sizeable performance improvements (the CPU as well, of course).
I think the R5 2400G is probably a better value as it can be overclocked similar amounts but has more compute units and SMT.
The Ryzen 2200g is actually faster than the 1300X so while the Graphic Card are still high you can game on the on board graphics, and when the prices goes back to a sane levels you can slap in a GTX 1060, and have a great budget build. All while saving $25+ U.S. dollars. I am really impressed with the price vs performance plus keeping the energy consumption low.
indeed, the strongest point of this APU is how great the value for the money is.
Probably even works as a stop gap allowing you to game while saving up to purchase (and/or waiting for prices to decrease) a dedicated GPU, and even upgrade CPU in the future.
Also it is pcie gen3 x8 instead of x16..
Aye been waiting for your video on this.
Great video but... were you playing OW with a controller?
Thank you so much for your review! I am playing Assassin's Creed: Origins on a GT 1030 and Intel Pentium and so I don't mind playing it on an APU. The good part is that you don't need a graphics card since I have a strict budget and really want to upgrade to a next gen platform like either Ryzen or Coffee Lake but Intel is too expensive right now and this Raven Ridge APU looks very tempting. Just for the sh*t's and giggles, I am tempted to get an Xbox 360 case, paint it black, and install an ITX motherboard in it and use a pico power supply and an SSD for storage that I already have. If I ever want to use a graphics card I will just use an EGPU dock or something.
A pretty good budget CPU indeed, especially given the climate of the current GPU market. As of now, the only viable GPUs I can see in the UK is the GTX 1050 for around £115 - 130 which would be a nice pairing with this CPU.
I'm downloading this to my phone to watch tomorrow. Good night! :-)
Andrew Jackson way do you have to download it... bruh
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I used to to play games at 480p on my old laptop. If I didn't already have a custom pc rig this would have been perfect to have.
very good video as always. Are you planning to do a comparison with the 3200mhz memory?
2666 and 2400mhz kits are priced the same and btw, you can allocate 128mb on the igpu it will still pose the same result vs 2gb being allocated, no difference at all.
I’ve been waiting for this.
You can actually overclock the GPU portion of this chip to 1.5ghz on stock cooling which gives around a 15%-20% increase in performance.
These things are phenomenal value for the average family or multimedia PC, and some light gaming.
But the elephant in the room is the rising DDR4 prices. For the same cost of a 2200G, a B350 motherboard, and 8 GB of DDR4, you can get a 6C/12T Xeon E5-1650, a decent overclockable Chinese X79 board, 16 GB of ECC DDR3, and a used mid-range graphics card. Of course, it all depends on how important warranty is to you.
I went and checked prices for a build for this and noticed that a B350 board with 4 ram slots are only $10 more then a 2 ram slot board and what it seems like in these videos is that the ram may limit the performance. I say get 2 x 4GB sticks at 1st then get another when your money is ready for more ram. I just love what AMD has done with these APU's as online games may be the option why I would get this 😁
I might buy this to hold me down as a placeholder gpu for my next build.
Loved the review.
Can you make a video on ryzen 5 2400g too..?
I am impressed with the Ryzen series. Considering how expensive video cards are it is worth buying more RAM and Ryzen 5 with APU. I just have an old game collection and the only current titles I play is World of Tanks and Star Craft 2. Add an SSD and I think it would make a nice little system. Right now I have an FX 6100 (16GB) with a GTX 650 with 2GB. Does the job but is showing it's age.
Can you test AMD's ReLive software for capture/streaming using the GPU? Also faster RAM generally isn't much more expensive, and don't forget to include overclocking with the faster RAM maybe.
There's no need to set the VRAM at 2GB. That one makes the system reserves 2GB at all times even when not necessary, 512MB is more than enough. When playing the system will allocate more memory to video as necessary.Also, why 720p? If 1080p is too much, why not lowering just a bit, to 900p?
I would love to say it's a great alternative in the current market with inflated GPU prices, however, considering the RAM prices... RAM, much RAM and fast RAM is very needed on this configuration with an APU
0:26 why did you splooge on your ryzen
I don't know why but I loved this video a lot
You should try this with a kit 2x4gb. i've heard it makes some difference...
Faster ram will also increase performance
Yes but there's a huge difference in price from 2400mhz ram to a, let's say, 3000mhz. a 2800mhz would probably be okayish, at least in my country... the difference from single channel to dual channel is very small in price, and, from what i've heard, huge in performance.
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Dual-Channel makes a big difference.
I really wonder if this "ryzen" also sees massive gains from using 3200mhz memory instead of 2400mhz, also dual channel MUST be used, it seems to help quite a bit according to techyescity. Love your videos man. I'm a proud 1700x and Vega 64 owner :)
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Looks like this will be my next computer since mine from 2006 is no longer supported on steam starting Jan 1 2019 Windows xp was a great OS RIP
Windows XP hasn't been a great OS since at least 2007.
If I get a 2400g with 3200 mhz ram, do you think there will be any difference?
Exoduxl Yes absolutely depending on the memory configuration you will see upwards of %10 percent performance? And the 2400g is a larger more memory starved GPU and you get that to OC to 1600mhz you are looking very pretty.
+Exoduxl It will. Btw there are tons of videos that test the exact thing you're asking. IMO, If you don't plan to get a GPU for at least 2 years, 3200mhz RAM is worth buying. If you want to get a new GPU (Nvidia is rumored to release new series this year), stick to 2666/2400 and you can spend the money on stronger GPU later.
If you have the budget, go for the ryzen 5 model. It'll increase the frame rate in CPU demanding games like the Witcher 3 and assassins Creed.
VladiSSius should I get 2200g or 2400g if I am going to get new GPUs as soon as they launch ?(if it is in stock)
Depends on what your playing. What GPU are you buying? What RAM?
I love your videos, glad to see your subscribed amount getting up there! Welcome to another comment
Btw did you test bf1 multiplayer? Afaik that's a bit more demanding
Hi Steve,
Great content as always, but I wondered if you could take a closer look into what you personally could do with this chip if you over clock the GPU. Just an idea you could base future videos on, but afaik even A320 boards allow you to OC the igpu. Also, 3000mhz ram is often similarly priced to 2400mhz, so you could compare stock vs igpu+ram oc'd, you could also try the ultra budget cooler hardwareunboxed used. If anyone can extract the most performance out of this chip it's you.
Awesome job! from the many videos I've seen on the 2200G 1st time I noticed anyone mention the V-ram cap of 2 GB of system memory. So my next question is what about the 2400G? those that APU have a greater V-'ram cap of RAM of 2 GB? Keep them videos coming and as always " see u on the next one" LOL
If I wanted to build a light editing PC I would go for the 2400G and maybe a e-sports dedicated gaming PC. However, for anything else gaming I would go for the Ryzen 1200 and pair it with a GTX 1050 or 1050Ti for budget gaming (considering launch prices, though). I know it's more expensive but I think it's worth it.
OCing both the CPU and GPU is also doable and yields results of up to 25% increase in performance depending on how much. You should give it a try :)
Used, COMPLETE Dells with Ivy Bridge I5s are still the budget kings IMO. But these APUs are impressive. They smacked 4 cores i3 out for sure.
In fact, it smacked all the i3s and most of the i5s from the 7th generation backwards.
Great video! One thing that I’ve done with older or less powerful hardware is the past has Been to run my games at 1600x900. I find it to be a very good Sweet spot if your games are almost playable at 1080p and it looks a whole lot better than 720p. Have you tried any games at this resolution?
I tested this APU with 12GB (8+4) 3200MHz . Performance increased a lot
GIN Than its too expensive for same price you can get better combo
i think I will buy one now. Sounds liek a damn good price especially since it comes with onboard gpu
The problem with these new APUs along with how ryzen benefits from faster ram is the dilema of spending a ton of extra money on fast ram or go with slower ram and a discrete GPU, The cost will be about the same. Maybe do a comparison between this and an similar budget intel setup with a discrete GPU factored into the price and see which one is better
Would you recommend buying this APU just for the CPU? It looks like it's great value for money, especially for those who already have a lower end GPU (like I do with the GTX 770).
mrpositronia yes, its better than ryzen 3 1300x, and cheaper than ryzen 3 1200
He mentioned that this cpu basically makes the previous ryzen 5 it replaces pointless even if you don't want to use the on board graphics.
The APU is pretty much making R3 and R5 obsolete. So by any means, do get this APU even if you don't need the iGPU.
It's great that AMD have priced it so well. However, on second thoughts, if it's just the CPU that's needed, it's probably better to wait for the 'full fat' Ryzen 2.
I'd still go used with a much better used gpu. Why get this when you can get an i5 2400 and a 750ti or 670?
nice edit bro