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Bang for your buck, Ryzen 7 (gen 1 Ryzen) is much better than an i7, even for gaming. Not to mention it's better for content creation, streaming, and productivity workflows than an i7 as well.
Everyone gets a free 30-day trial from Audible, and everyone's first book is always free. You don't need that offer code, but you should still use it. it shows the advertiser that people actually watch the ads, and that their marketing efforts are working. This means that JayzTwoCents can get more money from them in the future to make videos with. Hardware isn't cheap, and neither is employee labor.
It is not a Ryzen chip they are sending to you, its actually an APU based on the older Bulldozer architecture that released with the A320/B350/X370 which retails at about 50 bucks. It's a very slow dual core, so nothing worth keeping
They will send you a crappy A6 APU to flash the BIOS. After you are done, they want it back (understandable, even if it's only a $50 CPU they are not going to give it away for free), but they let you keep the cooler to save shipping costs.
You don't really need the 2G set on the BIOS. Windows will automatically split the RAM according to load. If you have 8GB RAM or less, setting so much of it just for the GPU will only limit the system usable memory
AH SEU VOU This _just_ came out. What if MS ever decides to change this, seriously underprioritize future development and optimization, break it in one of their millions of updates and not fix it for 6 months - or even cease support all-together? Would seem rather foolish by AMD not to have have options. And lets be very real here. Windows 10 is _NOT_ the only OS going around. Acording to the Steam harware survey, an imperfect but very reasonable metric for what people are gaming on - _less than 1/4 of people even use Windows 10 for gaming._ Almost 3/4s of people use Windows 7 for gaming. Its currently the predominant (gaming) OS platform of choice BY FAR, and its safe to assume a _very_ significant portion of those installs were made long after the release of both win8(.1) and win10. AMD knows this very well, consumer patterns and developments aren't always in sync with Microsofts' wishes, and needs a way to work around MS limitations. How much resources is Microsoft currently dedicating to optimizing (dynamic VRAM allocation) for new hardware on win 7.1? Oh, support ended over 3 years ago you say? What about windows 8(.1) then? No? Support ended for that too? What about former iterations of Windows 10 Home? Surely thos... what?? - end of service for anything older than Fall Creators update/version next month?? Well, crap. If only AMD had seen things like this coming, and put in place options to keep that ball in their own court...
it's not MS's choice, this is the vega architecture itself that manages the memory, it (and the drivers) allocate and utilise the memory without any control from the kernel
If you only have 8gb ram you aren't using much then anyways and will not matter. Windows and office can be used with 4gb ram with 2 more to spare in this argument. 2g setting is fine for home and most office use. Gaming for sure! but no one is using anything out there that will gobble up 6gb ram without video usage unless they are audio/video enthusiasts in which case they should be at 16/32 regardless
If you check Hardware Unboxed video on the RAM allocation to GPU, you can see that it makes no difference if you allocate 64Mb or 2GB, since its esentially same RAM. Once you go over it, GPU will simply use more "RAM" rather than its allocated "VRAM", But in this case its all the same memorry. You should always use like 512MB, so you re not stripping your system from those 2GB "VRAM" which you cant use anymore, once allocated to GPU; even when not gaming, And considering this is fairly budget solution, most systems will have only 8GB system memorry.
Hardware Unboxed overlooked some important points. One of the most important things is that Windows scales its RAM usage based on available RAM. If Windows is using all your extra RAM then when your graphics API checks for available memory, it will decide there isn't enough and use your HDD/SSD instead. If I remember right, Steve tested with 16GB of RAM, so he wasn't at risk of running out. Users of these APU's are more likely to only have 8GB, and a fresh install of Windows is going to be using less RAM than a used system.
It matters in Gears of War. So doesn't work for all games at the moment. Just more of your typical teething issues. Just know that if your game's not starting, or something odd like that which shouldn't be related to like a bad OC, to try and allocate more memory to the GPU to see if that fixes the issue.
Let me explain, RAM is split virtually and although you have for example 8GB of it and you set it to 64MB, a lot of games won't run as they won't be able to determine how much VRAM they can get, but if you preset it to 2GB most games will see hey there's quite a lot VRAM available for this GPU, it must be able to run me
AMD is also offering an A6-9500 APU for free if your motherboard isn't updated. Claim it and use it to update your bios, once you're done you have to send it back. You can claim yours at AMD's website.
That APU is not actually free yes they will send you one as a last resort to get things up & running and expect you to send it back but they also make sure to get your credit card number so if you decide to not send it back they will just charge the APU to your credit card. They will let you know this as well or at least they should be.
There was an article that showed the allocated ram space for the graphics doesn't effect performance that much since it grabs what it needs to anyways. Maybe something to test? 64MB vs 2GB?
Yes, Hardware Unboxed showed that allocating more memory is actually detrimental because the gpu gets what it needs anyway and by allocating more memory you're taking memory from the main system and giving it to the gpu that might actually not need that much
Guys pls don't allocate 2gb to GPU if you have 8 gigs of ram Set it to 64mb because if you allocate 2g that means 2gb is always allocated to GPU and you would have only 6gb to use. If you set it to 64mb you will almost have 8gb of ram to use at all time and when playing games once 64mb is full GPU will start to use ram which is the same memory so performance will be the same (+-2-3%)
Nikola Jankovic I put 2gb just because I had. 2 x16gb of 3200 mhz in my drawer Going to waste. Also have A bunch 8 GB laying around.. I bought dis to watch movies :)
You're comparing apple to oranges. You need to compare this APU against what is available from Intel because they are the only other option when it comes to imbedded graphics with a CPU. And in that comparison, these new AMD APUs blow anything comparable from Intel. To spend $100 or $120 for both the GPU and CPU and play some of these games at 1080P is pretty amazing.
That was cool to watch, especially the ending with hardly any cuts. You guys are getting very good. I'm happy we are getting these APUs great days for the bidget gamer.
It doesn't matter what the Vram allocation amount defaults to. If it needs more, it'll just use system memory, and as it's the same stuff, it makes no difference at all. In fact, you should probably manually set your Vram as low as it'll go in the BIOS. However much you allocate to be Vram can no longer be used as system memory in other tasks that might use a lot of it. But if you set you vram to, say, 64mb or however low it will go, then it has very little impact on how much is available to be used by the system in general, in other non GPU intensive tasks. And as said before, the integrated GPU will just take however much more it needs during gaming, from the system memory anyway, so it makes absolutely no difference for GPU intensive tasks, at all.
Just built one of these systems for a friend. They love it. Did have the bios issue though..... ended up ordering an AM4 A6 APU and using that to update the bios then putting the 2400G back in..... Great budget build. Sold the A6APU to someone else needing to do a bios update.. :-)
There's a great side by side test on RUclips. Basically dual channel 8gb at 3000mhz vs 2400mhz and 2000mhz. Across many games, it roughly averaged out to a 3-4FPS boost at each increment. Should be fairly easy to overclock from 2666 to 3000 also. Trouble is that ram is so hideously expensive currently, which offsets the benefit of these excellent APUs.
Great video Jay! 1 thing to note, AMD for the last few years was very difficult to sell to office workplaces due to nothing current that didn't require a video card. We were forced to sell intel sets, with the new apu lineup Office places now have an even cheaper option that has the current best on board video yet. Got to give AMD the kudos for this one, aside from gaming related issues these things are just monsters in the office setting. Up till now the cheapest method for a Ryzen build was Gtx 1030 or older architecture VCard that still jumped the build costs. AMD knocked it out of the park and over the entire parking lot with these APU's. Great thing is I now have orders coming in that were before this launch on hold due to graphics cards being crazy and them not wanting to pay for an intel setup. Win Win
Since you are using system RAM for the graphics processor, what difference would the dedicated vram option actually made on fps performance? I would think your best setting would be to restrict the vram to the minimum to satisfy your games minimum requirements, then let the vram swap with the rest of system ram as required to handle models, textures, etc. larger than will fit in dedicated vram. There should be no difference in performance reading from dedicated vram on system memory vs system memory. By restricting the ram available to the rest of your system with a larger than necessary vmra allocation,, wouldn't you be reducing your performance of everything else by forcing windows to page to some other storage device? Can you get benchmarks with different vram options and see what actually happens?
Hardware unboxed did video on that topic. Shortly : going from 64 mb to 2 gb vram didnt affect gaming performance . Win 10 automatically allocates system memory to gpu if needed. But, raising allocated gpu ram to 2 gb could potentially lower gaming performance if system is lacking memory.
Some games will only run if they detect the minimum required VRAM, similar to the way they detect number of CPU cores/threads. So it can be useful to set VRAM allocation to higher than the minimum.
I am running this same mobo (Cant praise this mobo enough) and a Ryzen 5, 8GB DDR4 3600 and a RX560 WITH 4gb RAM and I love it. 90% of my gaming is three titles...World of Warcraft, World Of Tanks, and Ark Survival Evolved. I am playing off a HDTV instead of a real monitor so Im limited to 60Hz refresh but so far am happy with my setup. I am usually playing at 1680 x 1080 at 60Hz and no problems. WOW runs max setting and WoT runs with most settings on high. I have a Wireless mouse and I use the wireless NIC, all I need now is a wireless keyboard and when I take my PC in to work on weekends all I will need is a power cord and plug in speakers.
It all comes down to value, having NOT upgraded for many years, this is heaven for a super value. Has to be better than what I have, I like what you say as it makes sense and is concise. Also what you are doing with it, not everyone plays AAA titles.
@JayzTwoCents thank you so much for mentioning the black screen, has been plaguing me for ages on my 1600 and I thought it was me or my configuration. I guess its the buggy Gigabyte mobo, had no idea it was because of plugging in a USB device (even while the PC is off).
Hi Jay, With AGESA updates, been wondering if the higher theoretical "4000mhz" or even lower but above 3200mhz ram speeds have significant impact on the new APUs?
Thank you for talking about the motherboard issues. That’s what keeping me frm purchasing the 200g right now. Hope the officially supported motherboards come soon.
I made my ryzen 5 2400g system. works really well. ryzen 5, B350M, 512G nvme, 16 G vengence 3000Mhz, 2T WD black, 220W power supply. I used a recycled slimline case and power supply. make sure you flash bios and get latest AMD chipset driver.
Nice job! I bought a Ryzen 3 2200g and a M.2 ssd card (120Gb). Just waiting for the MOBO (MSI B350 Tomahawk ATX), RAM (Gskill Ripjaws V 2x4Gb@3200mhz) and power supply (Corsair VS650W). Excited to test the cpu/apu. Cheers!
Great video Jay.. I'm really glad that these apu are at a decent price, especially with the gpu prices that they are.. I have been holding off building a PC and this might be my entry back into PCs!
5:20, i have had the same with every single gigabyte board i've used since core 2 duo, glad to see i'm not the only one getting a fright from it now and then.
They prob planned for this in production and wont lose out. Also the X variants are up to 10% faster in very demanding applications and games. Prob because they only have 4 mb cache. Making the X Varians the better option if one already owns a GPU thats better/around a 1030.
To be honest I recently bought 2200g and... I do not see a Relive tab in Radeon Settings and also I do not see Enhanced Sync option available. So either I have something misconfigured on my system or the current version of drivers simply does not support Relive and Enhanced Sync. Do you guys have any thoughts what can be the reason for that on my rig?
Przemysław Łukawski It should have asked you if you wanted to install those features during the driver installation. If not, I'm not really sure what to tell you.
They won't do that because the person building a system with Ryzen 7 is going to be using a discreet graphics solution 90% of the time making the APU a more expensive and thus less attractive cpu in general.
Just to clarify, in Windows 10, gpus AutoPage from system memory anyway when they run out of memory (total GPU memory on the GPU tab in task manager for example). My 1070ti on my desktop (with 8 gigabytes of on board and 16 GB of system Ram) shows that I have a total GPU memory capacity of 16 GB. In this case, putting it above 512MB or 1 GB is just starving a potentially budget machine with only 8 gigs of RAM from actually having available RAM. Hardware unboxed did a pretty good video demonstrating it in practice.
Hey there Jay, I recently discovered your channel and I have to say I love your reviews. I am just rather sad I did not find it sooner. I just recently (using your advise from verious videos) build a modest gaming PC so that I can get back into the PC Gaming scene. I love your videos! PLEASE don't listen to the haters out there. I always look forward to your next video. Please keep them coming.
i wanna see after the die shrink "7nm" they can squeeze 64CU navi and 4core 8 threads + 16GB HBM into a threadripper socket, no more system ram needed!! all onboard and choo choo!!
Just get it and have great APU usefulness now followed by the (hopefully...) lower priced discreet GPU power down the road. This is a win win either way.
This is what I was waiting for... An AMD based path to be able for several upgrades later (ie, if for some reason GPUs market and miners stuff gets a bit less insane, and or, for a later replacement with a really pro high-end ryzen cpu. Easier than to drop 1500 bucks in one time, for me... ), and one can go buying in steps, in the ryzen line. Amazing.
2017 - end of 2016 ....was a great time for budget gaming .....CPU had come a long way with those rayzen 3 cpu's ( am no gonna talk about rayzen 5 &7 ) .... Thats actualy was the reason we'v seen the i3 -8xxx ( one if them is performing as good as the i7 7700k ) and the i5-8xxx....exetra exetra .... And also ....GPU prices was really optimal .... U could get a GTX 1060 6gb for 200€ ... And RAM was costing arround 40€ .... I think the best moment of building a PC was between 2017/2 and 2017/7 .... Hopefuly we can maybe get back our RAM and GPU prices down....
RAM Prices will increase further rather than going down because of the increasing smartphone users each day & Samsung will focus more on the smartphone industry more than the PC community!! & for the GPU we'll have wait till Q3 at least for any updates.
Bought one today for a cheap computer for my daughter. Can't beat it for the games she's playing and if she finds something it can't play I just slap in a 1050ti when the prices come down in 6 months to a year and she's still got a great little machine.
I like my 2400G. I did a basic Plex build to be used primarily for Plex, but with a side of gaming. I have the GPU clocked to 1500mhz and RAM at 3200mhz. I left CPU stock settings. Runs great. Plays WoW well and is great for Plex.
Think Speed That would be nice, but you'll be lucky to surpass 1030 numbers with an overclock, water or not. Ryzen just isn't thermally limited, nor does the graphics appear to be.
*Note:* I'm talking about the 2200G with a discrete graphics card. Just put my 2200G in yesterday, tried it out and it really is a decent processor as long as you play at 60hz. (You're going to hit 100% CPU usage before you reach your 144fps frame target. And even if that didn't happen It's still not fast enough to hit the frame target in demanding situations anyways.)
Esat Cavdar a new motherboard would be welcome. The reason I wish AMD would do this, is because mining is here to stay. I just upgrade to Ryzen 1700 and still using my R9 Fury X, but now I'm saving money to buy later on a new GPU and keep Fury X for back up.
AMD can do it, I don't own Xbox One X, but imagine if Microsoft would have decided to go with Ryzen 1700 3GHz for the APU. If the majority of PC Gamers would send a lot of messages to AMD so they can see there's a demand, AMD would do it. The Jaguar CPU in the Xbox One X APU is what sucks.
Benchmarks are useless if you don't compair it with other products, thanks for wasting my time. Throw some Geforce 1030 benchmarks in there or something so we know how it stacks up.
The price is very much a different topic entirely , that's why when you do benchmarks of let's say the 1060 , you will list the 1080s and the 1050s benchmark, along with the equivalent cards from AMD scores for the reader/viewer to see if it's a good value in comparison, how big is the jump in performance, how much would you use if you go for something smaller. Jayz could have easily spent the 60 minutes and added the benchmarks of the first gen Ryzen 3,5 with a 1030 to compare with because that was the cheapest "buy in" a few months ago. Because it's not shown here, you need to now stop, go to a different website or video to go find out how it compares , so I will stick to what I said , completely useless just to have one benchmark, and chances are it's invalid because it was done months ago with immature drivers.
You're missing the point that you're not supposed to compare "integrated graphics" with a full fledged gpu. Mostly because you're not looking at a gpu anymore lol. Anybody with half a brain already knows it blows anything Intel has out of the water so there isn't anything else worth comparing it to besides itself.
Great video as always. one thing to be aware of is that it shouldn't make any difference how much Vram you allocate to the system, as a memory bandwidth is the same any way unlike a descrete GPU card. watch Steve from hardware unboxed for his analysis on this aspect and his benchmarks that proves the point.
I think people are missing the big deal with these new chips, yes the iGPU is impressive and all but JUST LOOK AT THOSE CINEBENCH SCORES, they are better than my 4790k at a much lower frequency! This means that the next batch of 6/8 core Ryzens are going to be really really competitive PLUS when the Athlon chips come out (which are usually an APU with a faulty nd disabled iGPU) they are going to kick butt over the Pentium/i3 range. This is awesome! Amazing work from AMD.
Love your videos jay, you help me make decisions on how I should build a computer on a low budget and I really appreciate you posting videos that help me out a ton. Keep up the good work and keep posting
I know multiple people have commented this so far but you really don't need to allocate memory to GPU from BIOS as the Vram in this case is System memory itself and when Vram fills up, it starts filling up system memory (which again is the same) hence you don't see a performance drop but if you allocate 2GB from 8GB kit then you've handicapped your system with just 6GB ram. HardwareUnboxed made a great video on this.
Hi Jay! Just wanted to tell you that I really like your channel much more that many other tech ones on RUclips. It's great. And what I like about it, it is not constructed based on simple circus-like jokes. Your channel is different. It is quite serious and on subject. Thank you for your effort, we really appreciate that!
2200G is even better, 70$ and same performance after overclocking. What used to be an i5 that cost 200$ just a year ago and GT1030/RX550/750TI that cost $80 is now combined into a single 99$ chip that can be overclocked on cheap ass boards. *cough msi a320 pro-vd plus matx motherboard on latest bios can overclock ram/gpu/cpu even when its not supposed to be able to and only costs 60$ cough cough*
I love watching your videos Jay. It dosent matter what your talking about or building, i always learn something. How about throwing a little Linux in the mix once in a while.
built my cousin a pc this weekend using the 2200g. All parts was $395 including a case at Microcenter. 2200G, 8gb of 2660Mhz ram, 550 watt 80+ Bronze power supply, 500GB nvme ssd and gigabyte B450 motherboard. Impressed with the APU for the price of $80 that she payed for it.
WOW I knew you would find a way to save up poor folks. Thank you now I have a way to get my many kids online with out going broke. yes its not skunk works but learning today requires a computer. If you they can play with it they will stay longer and learn more. Thank You Jay.
this was exactly what i needed to know. i want to build a new rig but was confused on which to go the apu or the ryzen. i'm thinking i will go 2200g then upgrade to ryzen 2 when it comes out.cant wait for the next video that will definitely answer my questons.
J2¢. Make, as many videos as necessary, I would likr 2 know as much as possible about the APUs (with different types of monitors, new and old graphic cards, hell even gaming and viewing movies on TV)You're 1 of the main guys I trust to get info like this from at least in terms of clarity. I was thinking about getting a console before APUs came out. Damn crypto!!!
Very cool how far APU's have come but still no where near good enough to actually game seriously on.....cant wait to see what comes out in a few years!
Jay try this out! Some test show better performance by putting the VRam down to 64mbs-512mbs. Since it uses the same system ram and same speed. Windows can swap system memory to video memory on the fly without loss of speed. Sometimes giving more performance because if the game runs out of VRam it just pulls it from the system ram side. But if your system ram runs out of memory it stores it to the storage devices. Which will make any game turn into a side show. Now not all games will work. Some games use a system check to see if you have enough VRam installed. Unfortunately if you can't crack the .exe file well you would have to reboot and give it more VRam in the bios. But for most of the games don't check. Putting on 64mbs-512mbs can show better gains!
The Overclocked Cinebench Multi scores tell a big story. At the exact same clocks the 2400G with SMT scores 41% higher than the 2200G without SMT. Meaning the 4 virtual threads are running at just over 41% efficiency. I don't think Intel's Hyperthreading can match that performance per core.
We've delidded and relidded with liquid metal TIM and running stable at 4.1ghz CPU and 1700mhz APU. 3200 RAM just arrived on Saturday, testing to commence.
O ordered the 2400g and this is gonna be my first PC Build..Hoping for the best. Also, when the gpu price goes down, I will probably put A GTX 1060/1070..
As I'm literally a week away from buying an AMD Ryzen 5 2400G build, this is concerning to me. This is my first PC build and I don't know all the issues associated with building a PC, ie. Updating BIOS and other compatibility issues. I'm thankful for this video (and the last one technically) however, now I'm left thinking that I made a mistake on this build.
This would be sick on a laptop or SFF PC's in the professional space. Not only good for gaming ^^ The company I work at deal a lot with video encoding/decoding, (survaillance and stuff), and this would be quite nice for decoding a bunch of video streams on a big screen, or remote-controlled workstations with GPU-accelerated video decoding, laptops that are occasionally use CAD software, etc. ... if it hits the "pro" market.
I need Audible title suggestions! I have free book credits to spend so let’s hear your favorite titles!
atlas shrugged
The Holy Bible read by Woody Allen
Dark Elf Trilogy by R.A. Salvatore, featuring some celebrity readings by Ice T, Felicia Day, Sean Astin, Wil Wheaton, etc.: www.audible.com/pd/Sci-Fi-Fantasy/Homeland-Audiobook/B00BW5V1FU?ref=a_a_search_c3_lProduct_1_1&pf_rd_p=e81b7c27-6880-467a-b5a7-13cef5d729fe&pf_rd_r=Z7BFJ8KY5YVWCPCTH9K9&
JayzTwoCents the metro series great audio books
Fiction? Any series by David Baldacci
There’s literally no reason to buy an i3 anymore.
Weinberg.WnD I am sure Intel I'll make the core I3 relevant they'll probably drop the price down to 100.
kong xiong I’m loving my i3-8350k I got it OCed to 4.7
Upgrade path?i7 is definetly better than ryzen 7 (not a fanboy).
Better for gaming, yes. Better for everything else? For the most part no.
Bang for your buck, Ryzen 7 (gen 1 Ryzen) is much better than an i7, even for gaming. Not to mention it's better for content creation, streaming, and productivity workflows than an i7 as well.
Everyone gets a free 30-day trial from Audible, and everyone's first book is always free. You don't need that offer code, but you should still use it. it shows the advertiser that people actually watch the ads, and that their marketing efforts are working. This means that JayzTwoCents can get more money from them in the future to make videos with. Hardware isn't cheap, and neither is employee labor.
Well said.
@Version IV Gaming Ah, well easy solution: don't sign up for it. :D
So if we don't need it, why tell us to sign up for it then?
@xusia xod not once did the op tell anyone to do anything.
Err, so what is 'Version IV Gaming' talking about then? Why would he say he doesn't need something if he isn't being asked to sign up for it?
Thank you. My dad and I are making a computer and this really helped.
Building.
Huh I forgot I left this comment. We finished building the computer that day and it’s been working great.
@@blobnarkintv3985 thats awesome :) don't listen to the grumpy people, have fun with it!
BTW: As far as i know AMD stated that could send you A6-9500 apu if you ask them to update your bios for Ryzen Apu's.
It is not a Ryzen chip they are sending to you, its actually an APU based on the older Bulldozer architecture that released with the A320/B350/X370 which retails at about 50 bucks.
It's a very slow dual core, so nothing worth keeping
They will send you a crappy A6 APU to flash the BIOS. After you are done, they want it back (understandable, even if it's only a $50 CPU they are not going to give it away for free), but they let you keep the cooler to save shipping costs.
john smith That's not even the CPU he's talking about...
I did some reasearch and looks like they send A6-9500, sorry about confusion(also fixed my first comment)
john smith That's not what he's talking about...
You don't really need the 2G set on the BIOS. Windows will automatically split the RAM according to load. If you have 8GB RAM or less, setting so much of it just for the GPU will only limit the system usable memory
AH SEU VOU This _just_ came out. What if MS ever decides to change this, seriously underprioritize future development and optimization, break it in one of their millions of updates and not fix it for 6 months - or even cease support all-together? Would seem rather foolish by AMD not to have have options.
And lets be very real here. Windows 10 is _NOT_ the only OS going around. Acording to the Steam harware survey, an imperfect but very reasonable metric for what people are gaming on - _less than 1/4 of people even use Windows 10 for gaming._ Almost 3/4s of people use Windows 7 for gaming. Its currently the predominant (gaming) OS platform of choice BY FAR, and its safe to assume a _very_ significant portion of those installs were made long after the release of both win8(.1) and win10. AMD knows this very well, consumer patterns and developments aren't always in sync with Microsofts' wishes, and needs a way to work around MS limitations.
How much resources is Microsoft currently dedicating to optimizing (dynamic VRAM allocation) for new hardware on win 7.1? Oh, support ended over 3 years ago you say? What about windows 8(.1) then? No? Support ended for that too? What about former iterations of Windows 10 Home? Surely thos... what?? - end of service for anything older than Fall Creators update/version next month?? Well, crap. If only AMD had seen things like this coming, and put in place options to keep that ball in their own court...
it's not MS's choice, this is the vega architecture itself that manages the memory, it (and the drivers) allocate and utilise the memory without any control from the kernel
If you only have 8gb ram you aren't using much then anyways and will not matter. Windows and office can be used with 4gb ram with 2 more to spare in this argument. 2g setting is fine for home and most office use.
Gaming for sure! but no one is using anything out there that will gobble up 6gb ram without video usage unless they are audio/video enthusiasts in which case they should be at 16/32 regardless
If you check Hardware Unboxed video on the RAM allocation to GPU, you can see that it makes no difference if you allocate 64Mb or 2GB, since its esentially same RAM. Once you go over it, GPU will simply use more "RAM" rather than its allocated "VRAM", But in this case its all the same memorry. You should always use like 512MB, so you re not stripping your system from those 2GB "VRAM" which you cant use anymore, once allocated to GPU; even when not gaming, And considering this is fairly budget solution, most systems will have only 8GB system memorry.
Came here to say this, thanks.
Hardware Unboxed overlooked some important points. One of the most important things is that Windows scales its RAM usage based on available RAM. If Windows is using all your extra RAM then when your graphics API checks for available memory, it will decide there isn't enough and use your HDD/SSD instead. If I remember right, Steve tested with 16GB of RAM, so he wasn't at risk of running out. Users of these APU's are more likely to only have 8GB, and a fresh install of Windows is going to be using less RAM than a used system.
It matters in Gears of War. So doesn't work for all games at the moment. Just more of your typical teething issues.
Just know that if your game's not starting, or something odd like that which shouldn't be related to like a bad OC, to try and allocate more memory to the GPU to see if that fixes the issue.
Not just that even on low settings at 1080p my 1070 uses at least a few gigs on more demanding games
Let me explain, RAM is split virtually and although you have for example 8GB of it and you set it to 64MB, a lot of games won't run as they won't be able to determine how much VRAM they can get, but if you preset it to 2GB most games will see hey there's quite a lot VRAM available for this GPU, it must be able to run me
AMD is also offering an A6-9500 APU for free if your motherboard isn't updated. Claim it and use it to update your bios, once you're done you have to send it back. You can claim yours at AMD's website.
where do i find this on their website?
support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/2Gen-Ryzen-AM4-System-Bootup.aspx
They also require to out a 50$ hold on your credit card tho too. Just an add on fyi
AzzaN
what about other countries ?
That APU is not actually free yes they will send you one as a last resort to get things up & running and expect you to send it back but they also make sure to get your credit card number so if you decide to not send it back they will just charge the APU to your credit card. They will let you know this as well or at least they should be.
There was an article that showed the allocated ram space for the graphics doesn't effect performance that much since it grabs what it needs to anyways. Maybe something to test? 64MB vs 2GB?
Yes, Hardware Unboxed showed that allocating more memory is actually detrimental because the gpu gets what it needs anyway and by allocating more memory you're taking memory from the main system and giving it to the gpu that might actually not need that much
Windows 10 allocate nescesary vram automatically. Maybe you need to specify for anything that is not windows 10.
yup thats what i was thinking
Yulus Leonard every OS does that. As hardware u boxed says, it's just marketing. It sounds good to have 2gb vram
I guess it could be good if you have a compatibility issue of some sort with VRAM, but in general, you should leave it as low as you can.
Man you're reviews are just brilliant.
Great video and the part where you touch on / give a warning about shopping for MOBO was a great touch :)
Guys pls don't allocate 2gb to GPU if you have 8 gigs of ram
Set it to 64mb because if you allocate 2g that means 2gb is always allocated to GPU and you would have only 6gb to use.
If you set it to 64mb you will almost have 8gb of ram to use at all time and when playing games once 64mb is full GPU will start to use ram which is the same memory so performance will be the same (+-2-3%)
Nikola Jankovic If you don't then you'll have a lot of stuttering in games... just like in Joey Delgado's video showing this.
Eclipze - well idk I didn't test it but according to hardware unboxed it makes no difference (or gamers Nexus I can't remember)
Nikola Jankovic that's something I didn't know
Eclipze - i put mine on 32mb and performance is the same
Nikola Jankovic I put 2gb just because I had. 2 x16gb of 3200 mhz in my drawer Going to waste. Also have A bunch 8 GB laying around..
I bought dis to watch movies :)
So this performance is without a gpu? Wow! And the timing couldn't be better what with the crypto mining increasing gpu prices. Thanks Jay
You're comparing apple to oranges. You need to compare this APU against what is available from Intel because they are the only other option when it comes to imbedded graphics with a CPU. And in that comparison, these new AMD APUs blow anything comparable from Intel. To spend $100 or $120 for both the GPU and CPU and play some of these games at 1080P is pretty amazing.
Wow, I had an R3 1200 and RX 560 and was doing 1080p and typically medium to low settings, these APU's are freaking impressive.
I'm 100% sure that with new updates the 2400 G will blow the 2200 g away. The new Apu need more time too mature.
Memory bandwidth limitation.
I'm 100% sure they're not.
That was cool to watch, especially the ending with hardly any cuts. You guys are getting very good. I'm happy we are getting these APUs great days for the bidget gamer.
It doesn't matter what the Vram allocation amount defaults to. If it needs more, it'll just use system memory, and as it's the same stuff, it makes no difference at all.
In fact, you should probably manually set your Vram as low as it'll go in the BIOS. However much you allocate to be Vram can no longer be used as system memory in other tasks that might use a lot of it. But if you set you vram to, say, 64mb or however low it will go, then it has very little impact on how much is available to be used by the system in general, in other non GPU intensive tasks. And as said before, the integrated GPU will just take however much more it needs during gaming, from the system memory anyway, so it makes absolutely no difference for GPU intensive tasks, at all.
Just built one of these systems for a friend. They love it. Did have the bios issue though..... ended up ordering an AM4 A6 APU and using that to update the bios then putting the 2400G back in..... Great budget build. Sold the A6APU to someone else needing to do a bios update.. :-)
What mobo did you end up using for the build?
I'm interested in seeing ram speed testing.
There's a great side by side test on RUclips. Basically dual channel 8gb at 3000mhz vs 2400mhz and 2000mhz. Across many games, it roughly averaged out to a 3-4FPS boost at each increment. Should be fairly easy to overclock from 2666 to 3000 also. Trouble is that ram is so hideously expensive currently, which offsets the benefit of these excellent APUs.
Great video Jay! 1 thing to note, AMD for the last few years was very difficult to sell to office workplaces due to nothing current that didn't require a video card. We were forced to sell intel sets, with the new apu lineup Office places now have an even cheaper option that has the current best on board video yet. Got to give AMD the kudos for this one, aside from gaming related issues these things are just monsters in the office setting. Up till now the cheapest method for a Ryzen build was Gtx 1030 or older architecture VCard that still jumped the build costs.
AMD knocked it out of the park and over the entire parking lot with these APU's. Great thing is I now have orders coming in that were before this launch on hold due to graphics cards being crazy and them not wanting to pay for an intel setup. Win Win
2400G is a value beast. Can finally play light games with no gpu.
You're the man for pointing out the kinks and issues. This is really important, especially for first time builders in today's market.
Since you are using system RAM for the graphics processor, what difference would the dedicated vram option actually made on fps performance? I would think your best setting would be to restrict the vram to the minimum to satisfy your games minimum requirements, then let the vram swap with the rest of system ram as required to handle models, textures, etc. larger than will fit in dedicated vram. There should be no difference in performance reading from dedicated vram on system memory vs system memory. By restricting the ram available to the rest of your system with a larger than necessary vmra allocation,, wouldn't you be reducing your performance of everything else by forcing windows to page to some other storage device? Can you get benchmarks with different vram options and see what actually happens?
Warren Garabrandt You, sir, are absolutely right.
Hardware unboxed has a good video on this. TLDR it is the pretty much the same, so you should leave at the minimum possible video memory.
Hardware unboxed did video on that topic. Shortly : going from 64 mb to 2 gb vram didnt affect gaming performance . Win 10 automatically allocates system memory to gpu if needed.
But, raising allocated gpu ram to 2 gb could potentially lower gaming performance if system is lacking memory.
Some games will only run if they detect the minimum required VRAM, similar to the way they detect number of CPU cores/threads. So it can be useful to set VRAM allocation to higher than the minimum.
I am running this same mobo (Cant praise this mobo enough) and a Ryzen 5, 8GB DDR4 3600 and a RX560 WITH 4gb RAM and I love it. 90% of my gaming is three titles...World of Warcraft, World Of Tanks, and Ark Survival Evolved. I am playing off a HDTV instead of a real monitor so Im limited to 60Hz refresh but so far am happy with my setup. I am usually playing at 1680 x 1080 at 60Hz and no problems. WOW runs max setting and WoT runs with most settings on high. I have a Wireless mouse and I use the wireless NIC, all I need now is a wireless keyboard and when I take my PC in to work on weekends all I will need is a power cord and plug in speakers.
If I buy the 2400G, could I put a 1060 later in the year when the prices go down in there to get better performance? Or doesn't it work like that?
Yes it works like that and you would see at decent
gain in FPS !
the integrated graphics will just sit unused if you add a 1060. no detriment to you at all since the APUs cost the same as CPU counterparts.
Okay thanks a lot!
SunzOffski and that is?
But why would you put a 1060 in, that seems like a waste of money.. You should save up for the 1070.
It all comes down to value, having NOT upgraded for many years, this is heaven for a super value. Has to be better than what I have, I like what you say as it makes sense and is concise. Also what you are doing with it, not everyone plays AAA titles.
I like this helps build a family computer
Thank you Jay i'm glad for your revisit !
"The year of the budget gamer"
Then, you look at GPU pricing.
Then, you looking at DDR4 pricing.
Then, you look at PSU pricing
@JayzTwoCents thank you so much for mentioning the black screen, has been plaguing me for ages on my 1600 and I thought it was me or my configuration. I guess its the buggy Gigabyte mobo, had no idea it was because of plugging in a USB device (even while the PC is off).
Hi Jay,
With AGESA updates, been wondering if the higher theoretical "4000mhz" or even lower but above 3200mhz ram speeds have significant impact on the new APUs?
Thank you for talking about the motherboard issues. That’s what keeping me frm purchasing the 200g right now. Hope the officially supported motherboards come soon.
Just check for "Ryzen 2000 ready" logo and you are good to go. Newegg advertise ASROCK with that logo already.
I made my ryzen 5 2400g system. works really well. ryzen 5, B350M, 512G nvme, 16 G vengence 3000Mhz, 2T WD black, 220W power supply. I used a recycled slimline case and power supply. make sure you flash bios and get latest AMD chipset driver.
$860 with win 10 pro.
Nice job! I bought a Ryzen 3 2200g and a M.2 ssd card (120Gb). Just waiting for the MOBO (MSI B350 Tomahawk ATX), RAM (Gskill Ripjaws V 2x4Gb@3200mhz) and power supply (Corsair VS650W). Excited to test the cpu/apu. Cheers!
How does these APU's compare to Graphics Card performance? About as strong as a GTX 560ti/HD7850 I suppose?
kilasracingfactory something like the GT 1030
kilasracingfactory GT 1030/RX 550 actually. Marketed as being as capable as a base Xbox One and PS4.
its like 540 or amd 1030 version
+ Red Symphony
thanks guys, so thats a pretty good deal actually!
560 will still destroy it
Great video Jay.. I'm really glad that these apu are at a decent price, especially with the gpu prices that they are.. I have been holding off building a PC and this might be my entry back into PCs!
will be too expensive
"Have you tried turning it off and on again?" - The IT Crowd
YES
5:20, i have had the same with every single gigabyte board i've used since core 2 duo, glad to see i'm not the only one getting a fright from it now and then.
"Something went wrong with the sample"
*looking back at when Jay was unresponsible with his samples*
Awesome coverage Jay. Longtime fan! Good luck to you, your family and staff! Kick ass Jay. Kick ass.
AMD shot itself in the knee with this APU. Now it can not sell regular Ryzen half the price, which is good for us ... ;-)
They prob planned for this in production and wont lose out. Also the X variants are up to 10% faster in very demanding applications and games. Prob because they only have 4 mb cache. Making the X Varians the better option if one already owns a GPU thats better/around a 1030.
jay, you mave the most pleasing to watch pc-tech channel !
Keep up the good work
No power cycle or black screen issues with my 2400G.
What ur motherboard?
Great to see the budget stuff getting reviews. Good job Jay.
Somebody, anybody, please tell me if these Vega iGPUs support AMD Relive to record gameplay? Help a brother out :(
Both APUs support ReLive.
It should, even my cheap AMD apu laptop supports it just fine. As long as your GPU supports Relive drivers or above, it'll work.
Thank you guys, you dont know how long I've been asking around RUclips and tech forums just to find this out
To be honest I recently bought 2200g and... I do not see a Relive tab in Radeon Settings and also I do not see Enhanced Sync option available. So either I have something misconfigured on my system or the current version of drivers simply does not support Relive and Enhanced Sync. Do you guys have any thoughts what can be the reason for that on my rig?
Przemysław Łukawski It should have asked you if you wanted to install those features during the driver installation. If not, I'm not really sure what to tell you.
0:01 One difuse key-light, one faint fill-light and one purple gelatin/LED backlight.
Nice lighting plan over there.
Now I'm waiting for a Ryzen 7 APU
not going to happen.
They won't do that because the person building a system with Ryzen 7 is going to be using a discreet graphics solution 90% of the time making the APU a more expensive and thus less attractive cpu in general.
Rocky LeBlanc Not with these inflated prices.
If you have the money for an R7, you have the money for a dGPU.
memory bandwidth
Just to clarify, in Windows 10, gpus AutoPage from system memory anyway when they run out of memory (total GPU memory on the GPU tab in task manager for example). My 1070ti on my desktop (with 8 gigabytes of on board and 16 GB of system Ram) shows that I have a total GPU memory capacity of 16 GB. In this case, putting it above 512MB or 1 GB is just starving a potentially budget machine with only 8 gigs of RAM from actually having available RAM. Hardware unboxed did a pretty good video demonstrating it in practice.
More fps if you bump up ram frequency to 3000 :D
Pratik Mody That ram kit is probably 3200mhz anyways.
Max ram speed for the 2200g is 2667 MHz.
Derp thats kinda bs, 3000mhz still makes a big difference compared to 2667mhz on a 2200g
Hey there Jay, I recently discovered your channel and I have to say I love your reviews. I am just rather sad I did not find it sooner. I just recently (using your advise from verious videos) build a modest gaming PC so that I can get back into the PC Gaming scene. I love your videos! PLEASE don't listen to the haters out there. I always look forward to your next video. Please keep them coming.
i wanna see after the die shrink "7nm" they can squeeze 64CU navi and 4core 8 threads + 16GB HBM into a threadripper socket,
no more system ram needed!! all onboard and choo choo!!
Yeah good way to definitely have pc not upgradable at all!
Who is going to buy an APU that requires a >$300 mobo?
you have 8809g 24cu 4core 8 threads + 4GB HBM now
That cinebench 2200g stock performs as good as my old i7 960. And that's fantastic, because it's low end. Mine was high end!
Hmm, apu or wait for gpu price drop... this is a tough decision
N-ninja how bout both?
Just get it and have great APU usefulness now followed by the (hopefully...) lower priced discreet GPU power down the road. This is a win win either way.
N-ninja Random is right. There's some game that fully utilitize more than one GPUs. Just like WaW.
N-ninja I was under the impression that we can do both...
My birthday is in December, when I'll get a pc. So I'm hoping to God that gpu and ram prices aren't still shitty, or at least not as shitty
Thanks Jay for the re-test! Your the man! Peace!
Minesweeper needs 512 megabytes of VRam??????😧😧😧😧😧 so I can't even play minesweeper now. I'm better off playing snakes and ladders.
INSANITY STUDIOS bro ksp needs less
This is what I was waiting for... An AMD based path to be able for several upgrades later (ie, if for some reason GPUs market and miners stuff gets a bit less insane, and or, for a later replacement with a really pro high-end ryzen cpu. Easier than to drop 1500 bucks in one time, for me... ), and one can go buying in steps, in the ryzen line. Amazing.
2017 - end of 2016 ....was a great time for budget gaming .....CPU had come a long way with those rayzen 3 cpu's ( am no gonna talk about rayzen 5 &7 ) .... Thats actualy was the reason we'v seen the i3 -8xxx ( one if them is performing as good as the i7 7700k ) and the i5-8xxx....exetra exetra .... And also ....GPU prices was really optimal .... U could get a GTX 1060 6gb for 200€ ...
And RAM was costing arround 40€ .... I think the best moment of building a PC was between 2017/2 and 2017/7 .... Hopefuly we can maybe get back our RAM and GPU prices down....
Mr Rman which i3 is performing like an i7 7700k?
Luca Massimo He's probably talking about the i3 8350k
RAM Prices will increase further rather than going down because of the increasing smartphone users each day & Samsung will focus more on the smartphone industry more than the PC community!! & for the GPU we'll have wait till Q3 at least for any updates.
Well said but shit spelling
so many dumb people buying smartphones and using all the memory.... with a 3 years old cellphone you can do everything, no reason to update.
Bought one today for a cheap computer for my daughter. Can't beat it for the games she's playing and if she finds something it can't play I just slap in a 1050ti when the prices come down in 6 months to a year and she's still got a great little machine.
AMD saved the PC gaming market till GPUs are reasonable so new comers I say just wait for the growing pains a month or two.
Cool Moo5e used 770 is cheap af
that they are, I have made a PC with one for a budy and he has an R3 1200
Jay is the go to guy for any PC question,keep it up Jay
wouldn't they be awesome for badget laptops ?
2500u/2700u/2200G/2400G are the same exact silicon die.
As said above, they already exist for laptops.
I like my 2400G. I did a basic Plex build to be used primarily for Plex, but with a side of gaming. I have the GPU clocked to 1500mhz and RAM at 3200mhz. I left CPU stock settings. Runs great. Plays WoW well and is great for Plex.
Apu + watercool + overclock = cpu + gtx 1050
Think Speed That would be nice, but you'll be lucky to surpass 1030 numbers with an overclock, water or not. Ryzen just isn't thermally limited, nor does the graphics appear to be.
Think Speed no
*Note:* I'm talking about the 2200G with a discrete graphics card.
Just put my 2200G in yesterday, tried it out and it really is a decent processor as long as you play at 60hz.
(You're going to hit 100% CPU usage before you reach your 144fps frame target. And even if that didn't happen It's still not fast enough to hit the frame target in demanding situations anyways.)
Wish AMD would combined CPU Ryzen 1700 with GPU Vega 56 as a APU, I and many would be willing to buy it. Because GPU prices are too expensive.
Arturo Rosales that's not possible. There's no space left on the die.
what if it had a die like threadripper
Esat Cavdar a new motherboard would be welcome. The reason I wish AMD would do this, is because mining is here to stay. I just upgrade to Ryzen 1700 and still using my R9 Fury X, but now I'm saving money to buy later on a new GPU and keep Fury X for back up.
Arturo Rosales I wouldn't be too sure on that, people have been talking about fluctuation in crypto prices and bitcoins drop.
AMD can do it, I don't own Xbox One X, but imagine if Microsoft would have decided to go with Ryzen 1700 3GHz for the APU. If the majority of PC Gamers would send a lot of messages to AMD so they can see there's a demand, AMD would do it. The Jaguar CPU in the Xbox One X APU is what sucks.
Great video - glad to see the results. Might be interesting for streaming....
Could be a good streaming PC. The 24000G especially. would be a great price for a streamer.
Benchmarks are useless if you don't compair it with other products, thanks for wasting my time.
Throw some Geforce 1030 benchmarks in there or something so we know how it stacks up.
Not useless...
Just a 1030 cost more that the APU's. Hell at todays price you can get a APU and MB for the price of an 1030.
The price is very much a different topic entirely , that's why when you do benchmarks of let's say the 1060 , you will list the 1080s and the 1050s benchmark, along with the equivalent cards from AMD scores for the reader/viewer to see if it's a good value in comparison, how big is the jump in performance, how much would you use if you go for something smaller.
Jayz could have easily spent the 60 minutes and added the benchmarks of the first gen Ryzen 3,5 with a 1030 to compare with because that was the cheapest "buy in" a few months ago.
Because it's not shown here, you need to now stop, go to a different website or video to go find out how it compares , so I will stick to what I said , completely useless just to have one benchmark, and chances are it's invalid because it was done months ago with immature drivers.
Kurukx GT 1030 is about 80 dollars right now. What are you talking about?
You're missing the point that you're not supposed to compare "integrated graphics" with a full fledged gpu. Mostly because you're not looking at a gpu anymore lol.
Anybody with half a brain already knows it blows anything Intel has out of the water so there isn't anything else worth comparing it to besides itself.
Thank you for detailed review, will wait for your final video before getting ryzen apu
Great video as always. one thing to be aware of is that it shouldn't make any difference how much Vram you allocate to the system, as a memory bandwidth is the same any way unlike a descrete GPU card. watch Steve from hardware unboxed for his analysis on this aspect and his benchmarks that proves the point.
I think people are missing the big deal with these new chips, yes the iGPU is impressive and all but JUST LOOK AT THOSE CINEBENCH SCORES, they are better than my 4790k at a much lower frequency! This means that the next batch of 6/8 core Ryzens are going to be really really competitive PLUS when the Athlon chips come out (which are usually an APU with a faulty nd disabled iGPU) they are going to kick butt over the Pentium/i3 range. This is awesome! Amazing work from AMD.
Love your videos jay, you help me make decisions on how I should build a computer on a low budget and I really appreciate you posting videos that help me out a ton. Keep up the good work and keep posting
I know multiple people have commented this so far but you really don't need to allocate memory to GPU from BIOS as the Vram in this case is System memory itself and when Vram fills up, it starts filling up system memory (which again is the same) hence you don't see a performance drop but if you allocate 2GB from 8GB kit then you've handicapped your system with just 6GB ram. HardwareUnboxed made a great video on this.
I know this holds no relevance, but I just looked at Jayz before and after photos....OMG you are a freaking super hero dude!
Hi Jay! Just wanted to tell you that I really like your channel much more that many other tech ones on RUclips. It's great. And what I like about it, it is not constructed based on simple circus-like jokes. Your channel is different. It is quite serious and on subject. Thank you for your effort, we really appreciate that!
"Off to be the Wizard" with the Magic 2.0 series. Super good. Love the vid
First man who has showed us what we were looking for :) thanks so much for info
Thums up for keeping the promise Jay
This looks very interesting. As a student who has wanted to build a pc for years, this could be up my alley.
2200G is even better, 70$ and same performance after overclocking.
What used to be an i5 that cost 200$ just a year ago and GT1030/RX550/750TI that cost $80 is now combined into a single 99$ chip that can be overclocked on cheap ass boards.
*cough msi a320 pro-vd plus matx motherboard on latest bios can overclock ram/gpu/cpu even when its not supposed to be able to and only costs 60$ cough cough*
I love watching your videos Jay. It dosent matter what your talking about or building, i always learn something. How about throwing a little Linux in the mix once in a while.
built my cousin a pc this weekend using the 2200g. All parts was $395 including a case at Microcenter. 2200G, 8gb of 2660Mhz ram, 550 watt 80+ Bronze power supply, 500GB nvme ssd and gigabyte B450 motherboard. Impressed with the APU for the price of $80 that she payed for it.
WOW I knew you would find a way to save up poor folks. Thank you now I have a way to get my many kids online with out going broke. yes its not skunk works but learning today requires a computer. If you they can play with it they will stay longer and learn more. Thank You Jay.
this was exactly what i needed to know. i want to build a new rig but was confused on which to go the apu or the ryzen. i'm thinking i will go 2200g then upgrade to ryzen 2 when it comes out.cant wait for the next video that will definitely answer my questons.
jay dude you never lie to us. I trust your judgement and I've been building system as my job for over 25 years now.
Thanks for the info Jay!
J2¢. Make, as many videos as necessary, I would likr 2 know as much as possible about the APUs (with different types of monitors, new and old graphic cards, hell even gaming and viewing movies on TV)You're 1 of the main guys I trust to get info like this from at least in terms of clarity. I was thinking about getting a console before APUs came out. Damn crypto!!!
Great Video Jay....this pretty good for that low end / budget build "gaming" rig....
Thanks Jayz, going for the 2200g!
good heads up...looking forward to more on this subject
Great vid Jay. Thanks for the followup!
Very cool how far APU's have come but still no where near good enough to actually game seriously on.....cant wait to see what comes out in a few years!
Jay try this out! Some test show better performance by putting the VRam down to 64mbs-512mbs. Since it uses the same system ram and same speed. Windows can swap system memory to video memory on the fly without loss of speed. Sometimes giving more performance because if the game runs out of VRam it just pulls it from the system ram side. But if your system ram runs out of memory it stores it to the storage devices. Which will make any game turn into a side show. Now not all games will work. Some games use a system check to see if you have enough VRam installed. Unfortunately if you can't crack the .exe file well you would have to reboot and give it more VRam in the bios. But for most of the games don't check. Putting on 64mbs-512mbs can show better gains!
The Overclocked Cinebench Multi scores tell a big story. At the exact same clocks the 2400G with SMT scores 41% higher than the 2200G without SMT. Meaning the 4 virtual threads are running at just over 41% efficiency. I don't think Intel's Hyperthreading can match that performance per core.
thanks jay, will use this video as a guide for my first budget amd pc build :)
Got a ryzen 3 pro 2200g recently in a hp elitedesk 705 g4 for 90usd, and it still holds up well even with the new stuff
Man I love you. You are one of the Best!
We've delidded and relidded with liquid metal TIM and running stable at 4.1ghz CPU and 1700mhz APU. 3200 RAM just arrived on Saturday, testing to commence.
O ordered the 2400g and this is gonna be my first PC Build..Hoping for the best. Also, when the gpu price goes down, I will probably put A GTX 1060/1070..
Should have gone with 2200G. End up with same performance after overclocks and 70$ less.
Well not really as the 2200G would probably bottleneck with anything above 1060.
As I'm literally a week away from buying an AMD Ryzen 5 2400G build, this is concerning to me. This is my first PC build and I don't know all the issues associated with building a PC, ie. Updating BIOS and other compatibility issues. I'm thankful for this video (and the last one technically) however, now I'm left thinking that I made a mistake on this build.
This would be sick on a laptop or SFF PC's in the professional space. Not only good for gaming ^^
The company I work at deal a lot with video encoding/decoding, (survaillance and stuff), and this would be quite nice for decoding a bunch of video streams on a big screen, or remote-controlled workstations with GPU-accelerated video decoding, laptops that are occasionally use CAD software, etc.
... if it hits the "pro" market.
Love the new APUs. You can have a near silent itx build for a TV PC. And still have great game performance and it's cheap.