Are Budget builds ACTUALLY worth it?
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- Budget gaming PCs are super popular, but are you actually causing yourself more harm than good when you shop for as cheap as possible?
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Are you the same type of person that watches budget builds without even having any money at all
Trying to feed myself in college while watching reviews for 2080s and the 5700 XT lmao
college is for suckers waste 5-6 of your life in college rack college tuition then come out owing thousands of dollars just to find a job that pays 60k a year. Lol fuck college I got out of high school and went to make 160k-190 a year.
War daddy no one asked
I don't care if nobody asked I said it anyways.
@@wardaddy3249 man you are a freakin loser
It's better to be educated and make less money than being very rich without any education or college degree
You can't compare a poor doctor with
Some wealthy un educated fucker that
Educated people will always be better
I feel like he's judging me for poor budgeting decisions i haven't made yet.
In An Elmo Cult 😂😂😂
Elmo cult and has 666 likes im not gonna like it so it will stay the same
@@northernkaiser7979 i unliked my comment. you can like it now.
@@liz.1328 thank you
In my 24 years of building my own PC's, I've never found "future proofing" your PC to be a viable concept unless you are wealthy.
It should be called future-resist rather than future-proof
@Smith & Wesson Video cards are the only PC part I've had fail on me in that manner (besides hard disks). And I don't overclock.
It's true, though, if you're "poor" then buying a "decent" computer and then buying a new GPU every 3 years from then and buying new mobo/cpu every 4-8 years and replacing ram/hdd/psu as necessary is how you "future proof" a machine... You just buy a massive case that will last 20 years of swapping out the parts that need it.
It's like how a rich and a poor person maintain a car, poor people repair their car, change the oil, get new tires... Rich people just... buy a new car every year.
@Smith & Wesson shit, now I'm having worries if I will regret just buying the rtx 2080 super....Thanks
Idk, I put an i7 920 in a computer in 2009 and it lasted for 9 years. I’m pretty sure I saved money by future proofing.
Step 1 : get a budget gaming PC
Step 2 : get minecraft
Step 3 : start a gaming youtube channel
Step 4: make minecraft series
Step 5 : earn money
Step 6 : buy a better gaming PC with that money
Step 7 : start playing high-end games
Step 8 : get more famous
Step 9: go back to playing minecraft
Step 10 : if your parents gave u the money for the build , earn money then give back
Step 9: get censored
Lol pewdiepie in a nutshell
@@mr.banana4178 not really
Once you go SSD you can never go back to a regular hard drive.
Yes... I used StoreMI to give me HDD 2GB DRAM Cache
indeed, I hate it when I have to use my girlfriends laptop, Im running m.2 SSD and she is running a 5400rpm drive...
You can, but you just have to wait a few minutes for something that would take seconds. Grab a snack when you open Word, make a frozen pizza while waiting for a game to load, brew some tea while while waiting for Chrome to open. How are you suppose to eat anything when there is no waiting on a m.2 NVME SSD?
Aaaand what if you use both?
@@Trainboy1EJR lol
Please, we want to see the cleanest cardboard box build ever!!
I couldn't agree more :D
Watch it in the toasty Bros channel
really..? in this channel?
@@spacecy Yes, Jay can do it, no problem lol
Pringles tube PC when? (might be an idea for raspberry pi build, probably not so good for fortnite:) )
This video should be called
“Should people who don’t have $3000 laying around be able to enjoy gaming?”
@Stale Bagelz What cars are less than $1000? Are you talking about cars from 1982 with 600000 miles on them? because you can get a PC from that time period for less than $1000 too, doesnt make it a good comparison.
a pc for 500 dollars can run games just fine, don't need an expensive system to enjoy gaming
@@aquagiraffe1988 You can get a car from year 2000 for under 1k. That said a well looked after car from 1982 will get me around town, to work etc, just fine, an unused computer from 1982 is a giant paperweight. I'm going to stop thinking about this before I get a nosebleed lol why is life so complex
If you go second hand market, it's not that hard to build a computer for under $600. I built my system back in March for just over $550 and runs every game on Ultra at over 60fps. I only just found out that my 1070ti supports ray tracing a couple days ago and haven't had the opportunity to test it on my system but I don't think ray tracing is a necessity for gaming.
@Stale Bagelz That's more expensive than 2/3 of all the cars i've owned. Prob the reason I've had to own more than one car in my life, though...
ME:
- I need a new GPU. $500? Yeah, okay.
- Wait, new GPU will bottleneck my old CPU...
- New CPU will not work with the old MOBO...
- New CPU and GPU require more power then my previously purchased "budget" PSU can put out...
- I also need new RAM with faster timing...
- Might as well buy a larger SSD...
- EU has insane VAT
- $2000 later...^#@#%^&%$%
Thats how it went with me... figured it'd be safer to build entirely new PC
If you're looking at a $500 GPU then yeah, you're in for $1300-1500 easy. I think you can do a quality R7 3700x build for under $1500 and that includes new case and p/s
The struggle of PC gaming in a nutshell, lol.
Haha this happened to me exactly, exact order too
Its great to watch videos on builds and when you calculate the tital in the EU its 500 euro over what the youtuber paid
8:02 : Me
8:05 : The guy she tells me not to worry about
8:12 : her (i3 7100) ;)
@@AbhayArsekar LOL I'M DEAD!!!
Let me give you hope, watch the next minute and listen carefully. He talks about better pairing. There is someone more compatible for you out there bud
@Splatoon is the worst game of all time. you can eat my chorizo and wake it up
Ugandan is funny omo
Your telling me that a 3100 dollar monitor is affordable? Are you trying to laugh at my financial situation?
I'm over here with my $100 monitor 1080p 60hz and I'm doing just fine lol
I am trying to.
@@Apple-iy6xk lol
Really 3000 dollars is budget?
for him are affordable because he earn that money in few days from google and sponsors and get that monitors for free
One component that not many people speak about and is overlooked is monitor. You are literally going to be staring at it for hours.
This 👆👆 is overlooked.
It's never included in PC build lists or prices. Why assume a person who needs to look up guide already owns a monitor?
"maybe we should do a cardboard box case"
Linus tech tips : *WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN*
He did it😂
Sayan Yadav wait what
@@alfie2891 not that long after the video linus actually did it
@@omgdisfunny4852 lmao
I'm still waiting the soap pc case for a clean build ( it's been 5 years since I've started asking for it !)
Not that anyone will even see my comment, but I absolutely say find the budget for an SSD, period.
Get a 250GB SSD for your boot drive and to hold your most commonly used applications and games.
It is absolutely the biggest difference you wheel feel on a day to day basis using your PC.
Man you show up in the strangest places.
@@SIDFAILBA Haha, I have a game programming degree and I've done a lot of IT work in my life. Cars, games, and computers are my main spaces. You'll also see me on h3h3 and such though. :P
Besides, Jay loves cars too! He has a whole channel for it.
@Sean Price For sure. I tend to get along well with techy gear heads. 😂
I remember getting a 1tb SSHD for my PS3 for $130 way back. Now you can get a 1tb SSD for the same price. I'd go for a 1tb SSD, 250gb just seems too small, that's just the OS and 2 big games.
@Sean Price even then though. 1 tb ssd are going for around $90 usd. So i wouldnt even both with hdd if you can help it. It's such a huge difference on pc
Ok...I will be waiting for that "Cardboard Box PC Case" video!
Yeah aggree
Wow! That seems expensive!!
Do eeeeet!
I actually had my Ryzen 5 and RX 470 in cardboard box left over from a fundraiser. Cut a couple fan holes and it worked surprisingly well.
WATERCOOL'd CARDBOARD BOX BUILD
When Jay said should you put an i3 in this and shook his head was hilarious.
2:54
i3 = You
Motherboard = The girl you like
i9 = That guy that is better than you in every aspect and every girl likes
@@roimores ryzen 9 3950x: the chad
Intel are shit for gaming
@@laurynasrami98 no intel is good for gaming but amd is good for creative works cause they got lotta cores
@@pxrposewithnopurpose5801 My ryzen 5 3600 has 6 lotta cores
You Look Like The Oldest Young Man Ever 😂
IKR? He looks like he was 25 yesterday, then saw some real shit.
@@Hr1s7i dude met God, modern day moses
You haven't seen Joe Pera then.
He is 38 years old, looking at his past he used to have weight problems.
Its good he managed to get healthier.
He is a fun good man.
@@CommanderTato Hey...my hair went Gray in 30s. Get off my lawn !!! Jay rocks.
I'm not sure if Jay forgot about it, but getting a good quality power supply is important.
Like everything else on this video, don't buy cheap.
The power supply is usually the most overlooked component, because it isn't as fancy as the rest of the components in a pc.
If a CPU or GPU is faulty, then you can switch it out, and everything is hunky dory.
But if a PSU is faulty, it could potentially fry your entire system.
You don't have to get a super expensive one, or one with 1000W+, but stick with well known brands that have good quality products.
I'd personally pick Gold certified or higher, but as long as the model has a good track record, then you shouldn't have to worry about it too much.
To get a rule of thumb. Look for quality and for capacity. You might want to go bonkers on overclocking or go for the sli or crossfire setup in the future. You just have to have the capacity. Go short on the capacity of your PSU and you will most likely pay for it in the future, especially in a so called budget build. GPU's can easily be switched out, but the power hunger of every next gen card is growing like wildfire. And you see that in other parts, too, like CPU's.
gg man , I was the PSU
@v KEITH v 80+ Gold should be standard today and you can find them cheap, sure higher efficiency is only worth going over if you have a really thirsty system.
I always check warranty on PSUs, 5 years at least and they usually use good parts and you can find very good reviews at JonnyGuru that check EVERYTHING inside and out on PSUs so you don't buy junk.
@v KEITH v People are going nuts, i have a 8600K and RTX2070 overclocked on a 450w psu, not optimal for efficiency or noise but it dosn't spin up that fast.
People tell me i need 650w lol i don't have a i9 and a 2080ti :D
I have an RM1000i powering an i7-4790 (non K) and an RX480.
I got a good deal on it and I wanted something that can power my rig passively with no issues while stuffed into a small case with not that much airflow and, most importantly, when covered with panels to stop coil whine if necessary.
The option to check the temperatures via USB came in pretty helpful when I wanted to know how well it was doing.
Since I stick to used parts at good prices, I wanted the option of powering an overclocked inefficient high end CPU and GPU if I got a good deal on one in the future.
I used to cringe at builds with PSUs this overkill and never expected to do it myself one day.
When I saw the other coments I though I might as well let you all know freaks like me exist.
"Nobody uses pci anymore"
Linus Tech Tips: I'm about to ruin this whole man's career
I have 7 slots, 6 are used and that’s only because the gpu takes 2 slots or I would have used that to lol
Actaly i have pci ocupied
It is find on low end mobo for potencial corporate usability
I was actualy thinking buying some old sound card for pci, but driwers are problem,..
I use 5 pci slots, I have 3 4xethernet boards, and 2 wifi n boards.
SoubdBlaster Audigy SE here on the PCI slot!
And no, onboard is NOT better it sucks ass compared to it. And yes, if I had money (and the need) I would use a PCIe one (since fuck this extra USB hanging around for a DAC), but that's what I have and won't replace unless in extreme need, so a PCI slot is always welcome for me.
I still use my 20 years old sound blaster on pci slot coz my onboard sound broken. I love pci slot. And I always look for full size atx. Never bought m-atx
Right now, upgrading from HDD to SSD is the best optimization on a "price per pound" basis. Definitely using SSD these days 😍!
i have like 3 small ssd's and a 2tb hdd and the speed difference from adding the ssd's is crazy. I really want to move to m.2 when i get the cash
@@cdreid99999 Try one of the less expensive NVMe drives out there if you have a M.2 slot for it and tight on cash...you will NOTICE the speed difference between it and a SATA SSD... I did. I consider a less than 30 second boot from power on to loaded up for 10 good :-) ... And go with 1TB or larger drives if you can...a terabyte will cost a little over 100... and remember the M.2 screws... not always included...
@@christopherdecker3830 Normally the motherboard That you buy comes with it. Or at least for mine it came with everything.
I built a custom liquid cooled PC to browse reddit and youtube. My bank account hates me, but atleast my PC is dead silent and it looks pretty.
JUST to browse? overkill wtf
That's just dumb
@@okiyoii r/whoosh
@@kerfunkyonyoutube845 excuse me wtf? How is this a woosh? There was no joke to misinterpret. He just said the truth. It is ducking overkill.
@@mahnamejeff7586 I'm fairly sure the original comment is satire.
"Get whatever box you think is prettiest that fits in your budget"
Honestly that's a mood
Get the biggest, with the fewest sharp edges and corners-save on medical bills during assembly, and on cable fraying during PC life.
I built my PC during the Kaby Lake days so I'm screwed on upgradeability
marc kushin same-sies
Not really, if you got an i5 or i7 of the mid to high range, you don't really need to upgrade that for a long long time if you are mainly a gamer. That CPU will easily hold up 3 more years without issues. CPUs last for the most time until the need arises to upgrade, and by that time, you are due for a new system anyway. I had an i7 3770k until last month, never had any issues with it. All I did to the system was add RAM, and upgrade the GPU every 2 years.
marc kushin I built about 3 years ago with 6700k & gtx970. Still kicking. Msi Z170 MB stopped working a week ago and replaced with gigabyte b250. Still same performance. Built it for about 2k$.
@@Mr0supra0 4 core i5s are dead unless you have a k
Tbh, it really depends on what you're doing... I still use a venerable Xeon W3680 (Yup, this is Westmere from 2010...) and I now only do gaming and it's perfectly adequate for 1080p gaming paired with a 980 Ti.
That being said, the upgradability of Intel systems is garbage so if upgradability is really on the table, there's really no competition, it's an AMD build and that's it.
"Put it in a cardboard box."
I-I wasn't aware that was on option.
@Stale Bagelz Ah yes, the Peter Parker PC
Half of the pc gaming community have budget builds
Much more than half my guy, I'm willing to bet 75% of all PCs are less than 1k
Amd = invest in mb for future and profit
intel = build around cpu and get a mb that fits your need because next gen chipset inst gonna work anyway
Unless you had a Z370 wich works perfectly fine with 9th gen.
@@Waldherz Coffee Lake 9th gen is horrible it's nothing hut a refresh of what they sold on 8th gen.
@@MrFrozenTea Same with Zen 1 and Zen 1+ so i dont see the issue.
@@WaldherzRyzen 1xxx to Ryzen 2xxx was actually a jump in performance due to shrunken process and another year of fixes for teething issues.
8th to 9th gen Intel... they just used a different thermal material, overclocked it by 100-300MHz and repackaged it. Implemented a few firmware fixes for Meltdown/Spectre exploits.
Was kinda pointless for anyone who delidded their CPU. (I own an 8600K so looked into it at the time).
Looking forward to Ryzen 3xxx series coming out, need Intel to pull their thumbs out.
Unless like me you do your build only for them to make it obsolete a Gen or two later lol. I got the fx-8350. Its still going strong, despite a small bottleneck with my gpu (jusf got a gtx 1660), but there are literally only 2 or 3 fx processors above mine and ryzen uses a new socket type. And since I built mine when gddr4 ram was still newer and expensive I'll need new ram as well since I've heard thats all anyone uses and it isn't backwards compatible.
Basically it doesn't matter who you buy from. Amd makes more sense because its more affordable but thats it. Either one could change sockets, esp if you want to keep your build as long as possible.
A budget build isn't about saving money. It's about working with the capital you've got. People know it'll cost more in the longrun but that's the price you pay for playing a few games now rather than waiting for years.
Thank you
Budget building is exactly what you said. Making a future proof build is probably the best way to go atm. Currently im doing a 9600k with a 2060 super or maybe a 2070 super and Im thinking itll last me 5 years at the least
@@PerciusLive Back in 2012 I think. I built a system with a 3570k and a gtx 670. I would still be using it if my psu and my motherboard didn't fail a couple of weeks ago. I got a 9600kf and a rtx 2070 super on boxing day. Hopefully I'll have many years of good gaming to come.
@@EmanVsEmmanueL this is me. My 670 let me play whatever I wanted up until last year when it failed. I never had a problem. I wasn't playing Rdr2 or anything, but I never had a game I couldn't play with atleast high graphics.
It's not even about saving money. It's about finding a sweet spot. Everyone who overpaid for a 1080 Titan feels really stupid.
Never buy a GPU that no games will be optimized for until many years later when you can buy mid-ranged equivalent many years later and play the same games.
Look at the specs for upcoming consoles. 90% of the games will be optimized for that. Build what you need to run those games at higher settings, resolutions, and framerates (mid-ranged shit).
I was petting my cat while watching this and my cat almost stuck her foot in my right nostril
Epic
Me knowing nothing about computers: my budget would be like 500
Video: 2:47
Me: welp
😂
you can build a NICE computer for 500. Ryzen 7 17 or 1800x, Used liquid cooling. 8gb ram, Used hdd and ssd. Should have enough left to toss in a used gtx 1060 or 1070. that will play any game on the market, the cpu will rarely if ever be taxed and it will be upgradeable for 5+ years and will likely be able to do anything you want it to 5 years from now
@@cdreid99999
NEVER buy used gpu
@@cdreid99999 getting a used hdd or ssd is just asking for early drive failure.
With drives becoming so cheap it's just easy to wait until a sale and grab both a hdd and ssd for less than $120 being a 240 sad and 2tb hdd.
@@cdreid99999 Ryzen 7 lol? On a $500 budget build? Not very practical
I love talking budget when I see over 20 RTX graphics card boxes sitting in the background
Exactly
So because he runs a tech channel and gets loads of cards to test and review and benchmark he’s no longer a valid source of budget options and explanation?
@@aaronhughes6392It wasn't meant as a slam at all. Sorry if that wasn't evident. It was just a commentary on the sheer dollar amount of graphics cards sitting behind him.
Aaron Hughes w
Wooooooosh
Aaron Hughes chill dude 😂😂
*"You can game on anything"*
Lol!!
Thats my motto.
I use a intel HD 4600 :)
@Jason Poole I played far cry 4 and assassin's Creed unity on this potato
Im jealous of my brother who has Intel 4600 I got Intel 2500 so I play cs at 30fps if I'm lucky
Still rocking my fx6300 and GTX 1050
Supun Tissaarachchi I used to use a Celeron j3060 with 4gb of DDR3 on a all in one, it barely ran windows :)
@Andy vo_2215320 that is not mid level
It is now. I just built a $930 computer for $680. Black Friday Deals ROCK!!
2020 Black Friday prices laughs at this
@@Proyoska so true.
thank you! It helped me show my son why some (many) of the budget builds on YT are a bit iffy. I was surprised you did not cover power supplies--but this was very good!
Now i want to see Jay make a case using only the boxes all of the parts come in.
Really great idea!
Genius!
Do a build where the computer case is made up of only the boxes that the parts for the build came in.
I love the box art of the 1050, shows the back end of a F-22, with the word "afterburner" on the wings, and afterburners are the jet engine equivalent of overclocking, combined with the graphics card being meant for budget builds.
I am very happy that someone like Jay is helping out with ideas not to overspend on these small things which sometimes we overlook but if we think from a budget builder's point of view, these small things actually matter a lot
If you are on a budget the goal is really to get the most longevity you can for the price. Finding that sweet spot takes some research and planning.
"Game on anything"
crisis 3 has entered the room
around $1000 (plus minus $200 depending on whether peripherals are included) is probably the sweet spot for absolute value for money
Thats the key word. Longevity.
@@sammylam1649 800 is budget nowadays? wow
@@detecta it is for a gaming pc. don't get into a hobby if you can't afford it.
Bruh ram has gone so cheap. You can get 16 gigs for 2/3rds the price I paid for 8 last year
Lord Shaxx, Crucible Handler Facts bro, last year I got 8 gigs of 2133 for $130, now I can get 16g of 3200 mhz for $85.....
@@theuniverse5965 Where do you get that - The cheapest I Find are G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $144.99. Where I want in case I want to expand later.
Joe B I found it on amazon... heres a link : www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-3200MHz-Desktop-Memory/dp/B0143UM4TC/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=ddr4+3200&qid=1561263593&s=gateway&sr=8-3
Yeah, and ssd prices too! First half of 2018 the cheapest 120 gb ssd was around 70€!
@@theuniverse5965 woah there brother, that's a decent price.
1:46 I learned that lesson the hard way. Built a PC in 2016 with a i3-6100 and RX460 and suffered from upgrade inability. I bought a DDR3 CPU at the end of the DDR3 era and it therefore made no since to buy more ram as if I was to upgrade my CPU I would also need a new mobo and ram.
"Game on anything"
*crisis 3 has entered the room*
dead joke not funny anymore
RDR 2 has entered the room
@@h4swell rdr is a unoptimized crap, not tha demanding at all ,just look at console versions Lmao running on a 2012 hardware
@@bluelotus1705 Look, I intended to make people laugh, if you have a problem with that go deal with it by yourself. You're boring.
*Skyrim has joined the chat*
I got a 500GB SSD for $100 (Australian) -so about 70 bucks US.
There's no excuse to not stick one in your case to run your OS and most used programs.
just bought a 480 gig kingston, $53 us from amazon
For os you can grab a 120g less than 20 bucks, and a 1 tb hard drive for less than 50. Everyone should have an ssd, I agree.
@@deman7276 yep 120s are $20 on prime. 240s are $30 4tb drives run $50-60 amazon.
I went all SSD on storage. 1 TB of the cheapest SSD I could get my mitts on. I like not hearing a HDD.
@@notmirelnam248 1 TB is down o $100. a good 2 tb is $250. which sounds expensive, but i blew $200 in 1995 on a 540 MEG maxtor for my 486dx33.
I love your videos Jay. You speak the truth while being educational. Keep up the good work! Hope you're all well!
I learned from this so much, thanks!!
Budget is the key.
Thanks.
Looking to make my first build. Been looking for a way to properly plan for future upgrades and not over building.
Time to take notes and start researching the parts deeper.
1980s Marketing Gimmick = Turbo
2019 Marketing Gimmick = Gaming
**Other me**
OMG I want a Gaming Blendtec with RGB!!!
Haha, when I was a kid I had a Turbo button on my keyboard. Really thought it made my car go faster when playing Rally
Back in the day even kitchen appliances were "turbo" like a blender or a microwave. Good times...
will be seeing pcs with vtec very soon
no. you want a "Turbo Gaming RGB Blendic Power Super Mega" ... something 😉
@Richard Benoit FYI: On compatible PC's (8088/8086 clones) the turbo button was a common thing, mainly used to slow down in order to prevent timing issues with software that depended on cpu timing. That was in the 80s.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_button
Swapping out a 8088 with a NEC V20 (or 8086 with a V30) brought back the timing issues because these CPU's were had a higher IPC-rate/was more efficient.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEC_V20
For 80286's a turbo button was very common.
I used a single core amd sempron with gt210 and 2gb ram for almost a decade, around december 2018 I finally decided to upgrade my build and chose a budget Ryzen 3 2200g build. I live in India so even this 'budget' build is kinda expensive and counts as a mid-range gaming pc. So, I used that system completely satisfied with its performance in all games but I wanted to play newer AAA games so I saved up some money and bought a used Sapphire RX 570 Nitro+ 4gb and it works so well. I get around 50-60 fps medium-high settings on all recent games and that is more than enough for me.
Conclusion? Getting a budget build is completely worth it but build it in such a way that it offers as much upgradability as possible. I first bought a GPU for my build and now I'm planning on adding another 8 gigs of ram or some more storage if needed
Nice little build dude, I bet it's a beast next to your old one.
how much did u pay for rx 570 and where did u buy it from?
@@rnkp9389 10k INR for slightly used from OLX
Builds are so expensive, and rx570 is more expensive than gtx1050ti! I kinda hate that whatever is in dollar is literally doubled and then sold in India.
Honestly gaming laptops have better value but ofc upgradability and no sense of satisfaction for your build :(
@@prateekkarn9277 GTX 1050TI is about the half performance than the RX570
thanks for this video~! my brothers finaly tryign to follow in my plans and build himself a new rig since his 4 year old cpu is starting to roast and die. hopefully this gives him the info that helps him decide to grab some of the more effective items instead of trying to budget everything as cheap as he can
I've found in the past, that it usually pays off well to pick "the cheapest of the good ones". As an example, I'm still using an i7 920 processor, which is over 10 years old. And, for gaming, the place you want to spend the most money is in the graphics card. To have expansion options for RAM is an okay advice, but forget about SLI/Crossfire - you're better off getting a new card when the time comes.
TL;DR; Buy things by considering which of them you can reuse them in later builds. This will add initial cost, but it will make upgrades cheaper in the future. After you've bought the components, make sure you enable XMP/DOCP to avoid boot issues, especially on Ryzen.
Long version:
There are things that you can also budget: ( My comments are in these )
- The case you get will be easily transferred over every cycle you get, so I would get a case that supports full ATX motherboards, even if I went with a mATX build. ( I bought a Antec 1200 v2 back in 2007-2009 and I am still using it, I've had to replace the fans, but that was for looks more than function. I am not saying you need the case to be expensive, but one with decent airflow and enough room will allow you to use it for multiple builds afterwards with no real issues. )
- The power supply should be the thing that you spend most of your time researching. The PSU is the thing you want to not be the weakest link, when the other parts are all that you can afford at that point. ( A bad PSU will burn everything else, a good PSU will usually just kill itself and nothing else. A quality PSU will usually also have a longer warranty provided by the manufacturer. )
- Initial system needs 400W PSU? Just buy a 550W or 650W to have more headroom in case you can afford to get a GPU upgrade. ( This will also help with avoiding PSU degradation by not pushing it to it's maximum at all times. )
- A cheap CPU cooler will be "an extra cost", but I would personally absolutely buy a decent air cooler that was quieter than the stock cooler. This is also something you can most likely reuse with your next rig. ( Something like the Cooler Master Hyper 212X will go a long way on both AMD and Intel, AMD being the top tier in cooler compatibility: sockets from AM2 to AM4 should fit the same brackets! And personally, the quieter the computer is under load, the more "premium" it feels. )
- If you get a motherboard and initially buy 2x 4GB sticks, you can just slap 2x 8GB sticks afterwards in there as long as they are the same speed and latency. ( I know, this is not recommended - but I've had many PCs with mixed manufacturer, model, capacity and latencies that have been fine with it. )
- Configure the XMP / AMD equivalent memory settings on your rig when you've built it! Especially on Ryzen! ( A buddy of mine had intermittent cold boots because the automatic timing settings failed 3 out of 4 boots causing the system to do double and triple boots until it found timings that were near enough. Fixed by applying RAM profiles in the BIOS. )
This video has helped me decide on my build more than any other video I’ve watched! Straight to the point
Makes sense. It sounds like a balance between:
the CPU, GPU, Monitor, and RAM is what's needed. Don't go crazy on one unless you're planning on going crazy with the others. Is the take away I'm getting here. Both from this video *and* from my personal experience. n.n
Cardboard box build!
Also, can you do a breakdown of water cooling resources? There are frighteningly few databases that compare companies or help users cheaply but effectively parse through building a liquid rig.
You are forgetting that Ryzen is extremely RAM sensitive. Having dual channel 3200 is a day and night difference to single channel 2400
Yea I was hoping he would mention that
It makes huge difference even with intel cpus.
I'm sitting with quad-channel 2400MHz 4x16GB with my 5960X. Not sure I'd benefit at all from better. Already had my snake oil with the M.2 drives (my experience and testing = you don't need one for OS, work and gaming as there is no difference in load times anyway), so not buying into the bullshit again.
If you are on a budget and you buy ryzen 3, it wont fucking mater.... Literally, there is always a guy like you that doesnt think and just puts the "actually" comment.
@@TheUltimateBlooper I am curious. I only have experience with hard drives and low end SATA SSDs. Some M.2 SSDs such as the WD Blue are still only SATA and thus not any quicker than a 2.5 SATA SSD. M.2 only refers to the form factor for these models. Did you get SATA or NVME? If your experience was with NVME, then I think I made the right call with my 2.5 SATA.
A gaming PC build should start with the monitor. It cost much more to build a 4K gaming PC vs a 1080p PC. Half of the total budget should go to the GPU needed to drive the monitor you have.
If you look for monitors from smaller brands, you can get a unused monitor really cheap sometimes
Yep yep, pick your monitor, research what it takes to run near cap, and that's more or less your build.
No one games on 4K?
@Brother Ares you're still right anyways, CPU imo > GPU in terms of priority. your CPU determines your overclocking ability and in general every day uses that could be restricted
But don't forget to mention that 4K is totally NOT worth it. Not even the 2080ti is a "safe" card for that resolution... 1440p is the actual best.
I wish this video did a more hand-on test, benchmarking actual builds and showing complete budget for each build. Would be interesting to see how much the price different would affect between "cheapest", "cheap" and "moderate".
I put a brand new build together in October 22... And it took me a week or so to actually pick all the parts I wanted. At the end of the day, buy into the features you know you want. Save money on components where the greatest may not be the most necessary. And look for cases with included fans or other bundle deals...
"You can game on anything"
Well you can't game on Mac, you sir lied!
You can play minesweeper ?........
Minecraft is a game, it runs on the Macbook just fine.
You can play solitary on a mac... right?
@@Lambda_Ovine
Yeah, you turn it off and use it as table, with real cards
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Are Budget builds ACTUALLY worth it?
*Yes, if you bankrupt yourself then you wont be able to use your system.*
I hope that when Jay starts vids like this je just says yes/no at the beginning and then explains in stead of hearing it somewhere in the middle or end
Great video. As someone who has never been able to afford the best tech and has lived making budget builds, I've always planned the system as a whole, instead of looking at how I could add later and save more money long term.
Very very easy to spend money on components you don't need or for extra performance you don't care about.
yeah jay would love to see you do a cardboard box XD BLD ult giveaway is near
Nintendo made a cardboard box, I'm sure u could do better - a atx case with saran wrap window. Lol
thks dude you've cleared my head,
see guyz, this is why you document yourself and watch 1000 a videos before a project!!
Even though this was already uploaded a year ago ..its still helpful.. glad I clicked it 😊😊😊
About to build a comp and this video made so much sense, and is going save money in the long run
How I do a budget build: Go to Ebay. Get a board like the msi x470 gaming plus for ~80 (use auctions and check their feedback. bid at last couple seconds) same with ryzen 1600, ~80. GTX 1060 6gb ~$130 (auctions) or with lower budget 1060 3gb is like $100 actually less I think. evo plus 970 m.2 $50 for 250gb. This builds an absolute beast of a system. Just make sure you have a 500w + psu, get a cheap case (I have an old cosmos II I got for $130 on ebay back when they costed like $300+ I now use it every time I upgrade as it is the most beautiful case I have ever seen and will be my case for life. If I didn't have that or the $$ to get one, i'd just go $20 or something on ebay for cheap case. I got 16gb of g.skill rijaws 3200hz ram for like $70 but you can go cheaper with that too, especially if you watch facebook marketplace for a few weeks. For my last build I got 24GB of ripjaws ddr3 for like $20 on there. FYI if you buy a used gpu I highly recommend new thermal paste. Mine was used to mine bitcoin and as long as the card works you're okay, just check the thermal paste immediately. Mine was running hot when I got it (~91C on benchmark) so I replaced the paste and now it's like 70C max OVERCLOCKED. If anyone has trouble getting a decent PC just comment here and I will help you out. I have been rebuilding my computer since the early 2000's and I always keep it fast enough to do everything I do (gaming, machine learning, web browsing, programming, video editing, etc.) and I really don't put a lot of money into it. I can help you get a beast PC for very little $$. Just reply here if you need help and when I see it I will reply back. Not selling anything just trying to help folks out who don't have a lot of $$ but want nice benchmarks for low $$
I have a GTX 960 4GB, Asus Maximus Hero 7 motherboard, Intel I7 4790K @4 GHz CPU, 16GB DDR3 ram I think (can't confirm, but I think it is), 80GB SSD, 2TB hard drive. I got this P.C in Sep 2016 so almost 3 yrs old now.
I want to upgrade 1 part at a time. So what do you recommend I upgrade next.
@@mab2187 The biggest thing is usually getting an ssd, but that's good that you have one. 80gb is a bit small, so I recommend larger. If you're okay with 80gb ssd, then well it really depends on what you do with your PC. If you're like me, and use it for machine learning and 1-2 hours of gaming per day (or if you game a lot) I would get a 1060 6gb. It also depends on your budget, but i'd go better gpu. Otherwise, find out your ram frequency because a) a lot of people get high frequency ram but they don't set it in bios, so you may be able to raise it in bios, or b) you might have shit ram like
That board also does SLI, so if you could get another of the same gpu for a good deal you might be able to run them with SLI. I know nothing about this and have never done it, but if you google it do some research and make sure the cards support it and check benchmarks because it might be cheaper just to sell your card used and get a better one used. Just something to look into if you want.
I recently built my 1st gaming rig. Can you give me a good upgrade path so that I don't have to replace everything in the near future? Plan to upgrade after 5 yrs. Thank you. My current build is:
I5 9400f
Zotac rtx 2060 6gb amp
Asus b360m tuf
T-force delta 2x8 2933mhz
Seasonic +80 bronze fully modular
Cheap cube case w/ some rgb fans
250 gb ssd
1 tb hdd
Asus vg258q 144hz 1ms 1080p
@@ryanpan8302 I don't know the Intel technology as well as AMD, so i'm not sure how long your mb will stay relevant. You have a really good build. Every MB has limitations, and the hard part about replacing the MB is that you often have to replace the processor and ram as well. This is the case for amd so i'll just assume it is for intel as well. You can upgrade anything you want but the cpu and ram will be limited to your MB. If you want to find out any sort of (slight) bottleneck in the next few years, use something like novabench and compare your benchmarks to other systems. If a specific part is performing lower, like the gpu, or the ram, then upgrade just that part. Whenever you buy a part just look at your motherboard's compatibility list. Once you have the best cpu for your mb, that will probably be pretty solid for 5-10 years tbh unless some crazy new tech. comes out, but otherwise if you want to upgrade past that, time for new mb and probably new cpu and ram as well. Sorry i'm not much help, you just have a really good PC and it will still be pretty good 5 years from now :)
i just built a budget gaming PC for 270.00 with a Ryzen 3 2200G and an RX550 4GB and it runs games in 2K resolution at 60FPS. if you do some research and look in the right places you can definitely put together a pretty solid machine for a pretty solid price.
you also cant be too afraid to go second hand with some stuff either, the rate at which people upgrade their GPUs is astounding, and makes it really easy to pick up a "used" GPU for pretty cheap.
almost same build but mine with rx 580 around $300 actually my rx 580 was used cpu and mobo new and ram psu was from my old and hdd so around$300 o have a ryzen build and rx 580 sweet
If you get used parts, you can sometimes get REALLY good deals. Like, I got myself a fully water-cooled rig with an i7-5960X, 64GB of RAM and 2 GTX 970s for only $300. Would have been $700 if it was a finished build but I got it as-is for parts, only needing to buy a new pump and some storage.
Cool
I remember Paris Hilton having a t-shirt that said something in the lines "Stop being poor!"
The channel ram thing... You really want dual channel for amd.
Also be very careful with choosing boards if you wanna upgrade to Ryzen 3rd gen. The b350 and motherboards below this can't support the +95tdp of the Ryzen 3rd gen.
Depends on which one you get. Not all gen3 Ryzen need more than 95W
@@ColdieHU safer than sorry imo, you buy a bit more expensive motherboard which will let you upgrade to the higher end of CPUs on the next gen. You won't have to buy a whole new motherboard once you realise that your motherboard can't support your cpu.
If you wanted an r5, hold off until 3rd gen but if you bought everything except for the CPU and then realise that your motherboard isn't compatible with your cpu. You will then go through mild trauma (just being overly dramatic)
I'm also waiting for Navi so crossfire board is also something I was looking for and the higher end motherboards have a better chance to have it supported. I mean you can't go wrong with this.
@@zawium this is AMD, they really do know how to kick your electricity bill. hopefully r5 is under 90 watts or else you will face the wrath of blue screens cuz you undervolted the CPU.(I'm not sure if blue screens will even come or it will just straight up turn off)
Well if we can trust the leaks, R5 will max at 95w and then it starts with R7 3700x where it will go above that. The 3700x will take 105w
Now i want to see the cardboard box sleeper PC build.
Jay, Just do it!
waiting a bit longer and not buying the cheapest option there out there is really the way to go since it will last longer, more upgradeable, and it feels rewarding to save up a bit more and finally get that new PC you worked so hard for
Thank you. Im looking to upgrade from my cheap laptop im gaming on to a proper system and im all the research im doing is pretty overwhelming so some help here is appriciated
You can get a pretty good build for $300
Glad you liked the 1660... mine is on a UPS truck as we speak :-)
i had a solid 30 fps machines fx 8350 and 1gb 650 ti and 8gb ram 1600 and it served me well for a few years the only new parts were my cpu and ram got the rest used. cost around 350-400 back then
Im using a ddr2 system
Core 2 duo 2GHz
I’ve got 8gb ddr2, amd Athlon 270, 750ti. I’m saving up to build a new pc. Can I build a good system for £800? I need to to run Premiere Pro smoothly.
Jake Hockley make sure you have fast ram though
Yeah for sure@@JakeHockley
yeah that ram i had back then didnt oc at all with the mobo i had. that system died a few years ago now. i had bought a used mobo on ebay was suprised that it had lasted as long as it did@@policecat225
The motherboard vrm explanation I've been looking for❤️😭.. thanks
6:00 Or buy an 8G & a 4G instead of a single 8G or double 4G.
My prebuilt from HP came that way.
2:44 You've been clearly visited Papa Linus too much lately
I was building a PC for a friend and he wanted to use a gtx 1060 6gb, and i Said yes because it was mid Range and he couldnt aford a 1070 by that time .
One and a halv months later the rtx 2060 relesed... both of is regret buying that 1060.
And thats Why You should read the tech news.
Fix me the fortnite skin
I made the choice on budget and tried to stay in the middle of the road, balancing price and short term value. I expect to have to start upgrading in the next year or so. But i have not had a pc since vista was a thing so i overspent on a custom build until i could develop a small personal workshop and become more familiar with modern tech.
i think many people upgrade their systems during summer because of the usual hiatus of big game releases during that time. most releases are in fall or winter, so people prepare for their favorite upcoming games
You had to talk about PSU, since alot of people actually cheap out on this, and this is one of THE MOST important parts of a build !!
Budget doesn't mean the same thing to different people. I invested in some good components some inexpensive ones. I bought an 80 plus gold 600 watt modular power supply that I know I will use for at least three builds. I bought a CM Storm enforcer case just when it was being discontinued for $65 Canadian, big 200mm front intake fan 2 USB 2.0 and 2 USB 3.0 still using it two builds later will use for next build as well.
But just running a Kaby Lake Pentium and Asus Stryx 750 ti bought on Boxing Day or Black Friday. Ditto the 1080p monitor. I originally bought a 1TB hybrid drive knowing SSD prices would come down and I could use it for mass storage later. Later upgraded to 240GB SSD.
I agree that budgets are way different for everyone. Budget to me just means "I'm getting something cheaper than what I'd buy in my dreams." So basically if you buy a 2600 with a 1660 instead of a 8700k with a 2080 that's a budget build. On the other hand, you might get a 8700k with a 2070ti instead of a 9900k with a 2080ti--Budget Build.
totally agree with him and the problem is people think that they should buy everything at the same time sometimes it's better to buy a couple great things and then wait for another good thing to come on sale later so investing on a good processor and motherboard is good than wait for the same thing on everything else using your old parts till you can afford them.
Weird, I usually do my builds around December/January with the extra time off and crappy weather that makes me not want to venture outside at all. Plus many new hardware releases often happen in the fall, so it's perfect for those to release, get more stock after initial sellout, and partner cards to come out and be able to make a decision on the best one then.
I'm doing a budget build. If I need to upgrade, all I would need to upgrade would be the processor and graphics. So, a pretty decent build
I messed up really bad when building my first build. Everything that i had at first is replaced except for the power supply, storage and case
@@adaidan1227 This isn't the first pc I've built, but it'll definitely be the first I've built for myself.
@@adaidan1227 next time... figure out what line of cpus you want to be able to support. Then focus the entire build around the motherboard you select for that chip line.
what about the power supply
Buy a decent brand. Id also recommend going a little above what you need. Like if your system is going to need 450w, buy 500w
I made mistake. Needed 400, bought 450, and then bought new gpu and had to buy 550w psu
you never want a PS that just meets the required needs as it will be working at full load more, creating heat, noise and will not last long
Seagate Focus Gold fully modular 450 W, got JonnyGuru's stamp of approval as the best in its price range. Good fit for any system not using insanely power hungry parts, lots of overhead for OCing medium budget parts. Works well with my R5 2600 @ 4.2, RX 580 Nitro @ 1517c/2050m.
Just get a 700W power supply
Super useful advice, that made me rethink my buy-list. Thanks Jay :)
If Jay would be a college professor for the Electrical Department, i'd take that course!
Hi jay
I would really like if you could do a simple (or not so simple) guide for installing a water cooling system for the cpu and how to choose between all the possible parts
He has several videos like that. One of them I believe is even called introduction to water cooling but search for those and you'll find them. I would link them but I'm on my phone and that can be problematic for me
I would love to hear more about super compact gaming PC
Perfectly happy with the PC I have and still watch these videos because they are entertaining
thanks for the good explaination, i m planing to build my first PC set up with no knowledge at all
"Jace $0,02"
I love these captions 😅
Always mention that when having both a SSD and a HDD then it becomes easy to make backups. Yep, BACKUPS! =)
All my builds have been 1 step down from top of the line. Long life without getting fleeced.
Love your videos, Honest and Straight forward
I love the line of RTX cards Jay has... it's like a silent but deadly flex
You should do a gaming vs workstation building guide and with tips for each and how to configure and apply their budgets. I feel Skylake X and Threadripper don’t get enough love.
I love this guy. Any PC tech channel cannot beat this guy's content
Hey thank you I wasn't thinking I just was adding to cart thinking I know and watching this it's like yah I'ma go back and change some things