AMD failed to mention this... - AMD Ryzen 8000G Series

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  • @evdomos
    @evdomos 10 месяцев назад +4182

    Look at that majestic beard I sure hope nothing happens to it.

    • @TuxikCE
      @TuxikCE 10 месяцев назад +213

      Rip, Linus lost his puberty.

    • @leonro
      @leonro 10 месяцев назад +160

      I heard Linus was worried that the beard's weight dragged his head down by a couple of .01 inches, and at his size every little bit counts.

    • @IconTactical
      @IconTactical 10 месяцев назад +66

      New CEO said beards are unprofessional.

    • @Noah86
      @Noah86 10 месяцев назад +5

      too late

    • @danielpicassomunoz2752
      @danielpicassomunoz2752 10 месяцев назад +11

      aaaaand it's gone

  • @AlicksL.S.
    @AlicksL.S. 10 месяцев назад +70

    Being a broke amd fanboy finally paid off

  • @4RILDIGITAL
    @4RILDIGITAL 10 месяцев назад +283

    Interesting that the PCI-e lanes limitation got overlooked in AMD's briefing, that's important info. Looking forward to AMD fully fulfilling their promise on 'fusion'.

    • @_tsu_
      @_tsu_ 10 месяцев назад +9

      They already have on the server side. They beat NVIDIA with the MI300X. Just look at a video on it.
      Also, Zen 6 look like the generation with huge leaps on the fusion front.

    • @tydlth
      @tydlth 14 дней назад

      Do you know If i would put a GPU and a Gen4 NVME with 8700G, would these two components be limited? Or i would still make the full out of them?
      Can someone explain when the limitation of PCI-e lanes become a problem?
      I want to get 8700G .. as i dont have money for separate GPU, do my casual gaming, until i can get a good GPU

  • @Muscleduck
    @Muscleduck 10 месяцев назад +241

    That Cyberpunk FPS is not that far behind the RX 580 I used until a few months back. But that thing pulled 180 W. Pretty spectacular.

    • @MrAbel00
      @MrAbel00 10 месяцев назад +26

      and in this igpu you can enable ray tracing

    • @Nasser-bp6qf
      @Nasser-bp6qf 6 месяцев назад

      What a time to be alive

    • @420247paul
      @420247paul 5 месяцев назад +1

      and the the rx 480 launched 8 years ago

  • @MasterGoku21
    @MasterGoku21 10 месяцев назад +1237

    Hey am I trippin or did Linus just grow his beard back overnight

    • @orlagh277
      @orlagh277 10 месяцев назад +26

      yeah his beard is like harry potter's hair

    • @mrjkr4945
      @mrjkr4945 10 месяцев назад +46

      The video was filmed before that lmao 🤣

    • @arnezbridges93
      @arnezbridges93 10 месяцев назад +15

      They have edit these. Plus they put them out at slower pace so the staff has time since... the incidence.

    • @Standoffmuffin
      @Standoffmuffin 10 месяцев назад +7

      Clearly ai

    • @tektier4009
      @tektier4009 10 месяцев назад +5

      Remember that the video was probably recorded over a week ago

  • @tadsnyder2756
    @tadsnyder2756 10 месяцев назад +66

    Linus is my age and I remember getting my first APU and playing CS and having such a great time
    If you are just starting you’ll have so much fun.

    • @beforecuddlybunnylps841
      @beforecuddlybunnylps841 10 месяцев назад

      CS or C:S?

    • @snails6997
      @snails6997 7 месяцев назад

      Yeah, for someone who start out and preparing to build new DDR5 generation, I prefer the 8600G.
      There is too many GPU out there that gets my attention, and there might more of them in the 3rd Q 2024. I'm just gonna wait and see some nice stuff released soon.
      8600G is the most make sense for this use. Still better integrated GPU than 5700X, so my waiting period will filled with proper present day games.

    • @perrinromney4555
      @perrinromney4555 4 месяца назад +1

      Am helping a neighbor kid do his first build right now. He's cash strapped so we're doing 8600G build and then he'll be able to upgrade whatever he wants in the future.

  • @Pegaroo_
    @Pegaroo_ 10 месяцев назад +465

    The lack of PCIe lanes is going to come back to bite them on these. Only use case for these is ultra small form factors but at the same time the NUCs with these in are going to be sick

    • @theorphanobliterator
      @theorphanobliterator 10 месяцев назад +38

      AMD has been doing this for like all of their entry level stuff, it's terrible. 6400 only has x4 lanes which makes it terrible for older systems

    • @maou5025
      @maou5025 10 месяцев назад +6

      Well this is the same chip that going to laptop, only packaged as desktop. PCIE 5.0 should be next gen also so prob not.

    • @theorphanobliterator
      @theorphanobliterator 10 месяцев назад +23

      @@maou5025 the chip doesn't support PCIE 5.0

    • @foldionepapyrus3441
      @foldionepapyrus3441 10 месяцев назад +3

      As its still very fast PCIe not PCie 2 or 3 I don't think its actually going to be too bad - the motherboard can (and probably does) have a PCIe switch built in that will let you still get some really high performance from many devices - as almost everything PCIe device wise a normal end user buying this sort of CPU might want isn't going to saturate even 2 lanes of PCie 4.
      I do agree more would have been very nice, though for me more important is the NUMA stuff going on in the CPU - small form factor with potent onboard graphics and PCIe options sounds like a dream for many virtualisation and homelab type enthusiast, and at a low TDP too - though I'd love to have seen the labs provide power draw under that gaming load...

    • @lukas_ls
      @lukas_ls 10 месяцев назад

      @@foldionepapyrus3441no, motherboards don’t have it. PCIe switches are expensive and hardly used in motherboards.
      PCIe Lane allocation is mostly static, even on the 8700G two M.2 Slots will not work on most AM5 boards

  • @dividion8102
    @dividion8102 10 месяцев назад +80

    We need an "8800G3D" with 16 graphics cores and 3D v-cache. Never gonna happen, but I'd buy it. I love AMD's APUs and SFF builds, but the 8700G needs to come down in price like the 5700G has. Currently you can get a cheaper CPU and discrete GPU that gets double the FPS for less money.

    • @j.b.7813
      @j.b.7813 10 месяцев назад +7

      And you will put settings at least to medium up to ultra while if you use 8700g it will be at low. Right now in my country the price of new 8700g is around the same as new 5600 + rx 6600 which I use and run bg3 80 fps ultra settings.

    • @ramr7051
      @ramr7051 10 месяцев назад +2

      Agreed

    • @angelg3986
      @angelg3986 10 месяцев назад +4

      Exactly what I thought. Part of the v-cache could be used as "infinity cache" by the graphics cores. And TDP - up to 150 W I'm fine - let the GPU work well. Also why the GPU cores should consume PCI-E lanes ? Let them connect internally via infinity fabric or how they call it.

    • @reiniermoreno1653
      @reiniermoreno1653 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@angelg3986infinity fabric is physically based on PCIe so...

    • @reiniermoreno1653
      @reiniermoreno1653 7 месяцев назад

      That would be insane but they sacrifice the 3D V-cache to fit the GPU, I mean it does a lot of sense to put more cache into because you have a 128 bit bus memory which needs to feed the 8 cores and 16 threads of the CPU and the whole iGPU but we can have everything

  • @nukers1234
    @nukers1234 10 месяцев назад +388

    Well, it wasn't filmed today or yesterday afternoon :P

    • @Sevastous
      @Sevastous 10 месяцев назад +6

      We got the OG derpy Linus back yay!

  • @Tommy_The_Gun
    @Tommy_The_Gun 10 месяцев назад +30

    Where this CPU/APU will really shine are small HTPC builds that only have room for motherboard & low profile CPU cooler & external laptop PSU. Also, I would be in interested seeing some graphs on how performance per watt (power efficiency) does look with this APU vs equivalent CPU & GPU - cuz It should be amazing.

    • @warfarenotwarfair5655
      @warfarenotwarfair5655 9 месяцев назад

      These Ryzen APUs are in Nvidia 1050 territory and climbing.

  • @2smg
    @2smg 10 месяцев назад +168

    The audio feels really cooked atm, but yknow having a pc the size of like a ps4 is wild.

    • @Aquaboom123
      @Aquaboom123 10 месяцев назад +16

      Yes
      It seems echoey

    • @difg6minecraft
      @difg6minecraft 10 месяцев назад

      yeah! I'm feeling the same@@Aquaboom123

    • @DrWurzeli
      @DrWurzeli 10 месяцев назад +7

      yeah, probably a backup microphone on the camera or something

    • @MMOchAForPrez
      @MMOchAForPrez 10 месяцев назад +12

      @@DrWurzeli if anything, it's probably a noise or echo removal tool that did it.

    • @cosmicgamingunlimited
      @cosmicgamingunlimited 10 месяцев назад +2

      PC the size of the PS4 at price of a PS5. Even with $229 8600G, you would still need a case, power supply, mobo, ram, and storage. In two years this will make a great ebay buy, but not right now.

  • @ommenerd3793
    @ommenerd3793 10 месяцев назад +175

    Noooo way! If i hadn't seen your review I would'nt have noticed the PCI-E shortcomings! I was so hyped about these chips I just skipped that part, because I thought the only downside was not having PCI-E gen 5 connectivity. You saved me.

    • @PhyrexJ
      @PhyrexJ 10 месяцев назад +15

      Man.. Grow up. It's not like it's even such a big issue for this specific SKU

    • @justanobody4983
      @justanobody4983 10 месяцев назад +82

      @@PhyrexJman grow up, he has his preference and needs. If it does not meet his requirements its useless to him.

    • @nathaniel1207
      @nathaniel1207 10 месяцев назад +4

      Yeah thats a killer for me, i dont mind not having the latest PCIE. my GPU is a x16 4.0 card, so 5.0 isnt really a big deal. I was looking at these chips since im a bit of a heat and noise freak. im currently using a 5700g for its low power draw, but i really need lanes for my drives, since im a data hoarder, who loves NVME m.2 drives

    • @sudpud
      @sudpud 10 месяцев назад +2

      This is pretty par for the course for AMD apus. Last gen(5700g) was also 1 generation of pci-e behind.

    • @twiggy99
      @twiggy99 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@justanobody4983if he needed performance with the need for extra lanes for a beefy gfx he wouldn't be shopping in this price bracket

  • @allenqueen
    @allenqueen 10 месяцев назад +22

    Linus with paper printouts. Nice.
    Anyways, feels natural than staring at blank space ahead on the teleprompter

  • @JanusDarke
    @JanusDarke 10 месяцев назад +40

    For the price of a 8700G in the UK you can buy a new 13100F & a new RX 6600 or new 12400F + Used RX 6600.

    • @skycubix8943
      @skycubix8943 10 месяцев назад

      Fair enough, but you'd have to buy a new motherboard to upgrade the cpu so I think it isn't entirely unreasonable

    • @DoofusLoopus
      @DoofusLoopus 10 месяцев назад +1

      My point exactly. You have so many better options out there. I'd say AMD failed with this one pretty hard marketing it as an 'entry point' at 229$.
      You can get better CPU + dedicated GPU deals than this APU alone. I mean, it could be a great option at 80$, maybe 100$. But 229$? That's stretching it a bit too far.

    • @DoofusLoopus
      @DoofusLoopus 10 месяцев назад

      @@Al3cr0zAr10 Well, you can buy an entire laptop for 300$~ with Ryzen 5 5500U/Vega 7 or similar spec laptop with Intel APU with Iris Xe for 350$~. Sure, Vega 7 isn't that good anymore, but Iris Xe is decent even today.
      And for NUCs (or NUC-type PC), you'd still have to buy RAM and storage. Besides, why would anyone other than businesses want buy a NUC? Then again, those bussinesses mostly run some specific yet very basic office / administrative applications. They won't need this much power. What's more, most of the bussinesses I've seen are running pretty old Xeons / Athlons / Phenoms bought from aliexpress with mobo integrated GPUS that are cheap as f***. Like, the entire PC would cost no more than 40-50$ and they are still reluctant to upgrade because 'if it ain't broke don't fix it'. Again, what's the point of this APU at this insane price point? That's a genuine question.

    • @disposable2729
      @disposable2729 10 месяцев назад

      Well you can upgrade to a CPU of the same generation.​@@skycubix8943

    • @aleksazunjic9672
      @aleksazunjic9672 10 месяцев назад

      @@skycubix8943 Nope, he could buy 13400F, 13600KF etc ... if he wants to upgrade CPU.

  • @beastleviath9356
    @beastleviath9356 10 месяцев назад +33

    As someone who was in PC retail, this is fantastic! Being able to sell a decent starter PC to someone now for like $700-$800 without compromising on important components like ram, psu, ssd that can do regular tasks and play most games is excellent. Then the same customer (let’s say a teenager with their first job, or a kid who wanted a pc for Christmas) can come right back in 6 months when they’ve got $300-$400 saved up for a solid dedicated gpu that will just pop right in! I’ve seen too many people go for the i3/last years i5 with barely adequate ram and storage (often a worse value) just so they can squeeze the cheapest $200 gpu we had into the budget.

    • @StretchDattass
      @StretchDattass 10 месяцев назад +2

      that, but also with these already hitting 1080p low, and how big of a performance bump zen 5 is supposed to be, next gen will probably hit 1080p medium for most games, then zen 6 possibly being on the AM 5 socket still will likely hit 1080p high/1440 low, so you have an upgrade path even without a dedicated gpu. get a tiny case and youve got an upgradable gaming pc your kid can throw in their bag and game with friends after school, a barely noticeable media/steamlink machine for your living room, a functional gaming machine that can be chucked in a suitcase for travel gaming on trips, etc.

    • @Eversor86
      @Eversor86 10 месяцев назад +2

      Its all cool and dandy, till you see some benchmarks. i3 CPU with even store bought cheapo GPU eats those APU for breakfast for gaming. Saw results from 2 to as much as 3 times the FPS depending how "cheap" the GPU is. In my region the 8700G costs so much that 12100F+RX6600 both new cost like 50+ USD less, and RX7600 50- USD more. Sure 4C/8T i3 loses in productivity benchmarks, but those APUs are low cache low PCIe lanes to the point they actually are a hindrance for a proper GPU. And if my region prices are to be used, you could just change the i3 to some other "entry" level CPUs like 5600X that beat 8700G as a dGPU "driver". As such apart from LTT basically any other review I saw recommends a setup of a cheaper CPU+dGPU.
      The only use cases for those APUs its seems to be a extra small form factor builds, or if you care for power consumption a lot as CPU+dGPU alternatives probably eat more power as a whole platform than those APU would, but then that only matters if you assume you will never get a dGPU for the APU as with dGPU the comparison kinda gets moot.
      The only proper APU I see useful are the future ones that will have to like 40 CUs instead of barely 12, but they are also supposed to have 4+ channels for memory not just 2 like 5x00G/8x00Gs, cause the memory is the biggest bottle neck for iGPUs. Part I kinda don't see us getting a cheap specialized mobos to utilize those APUs in desktop format. Maybe in Threadripper line, but those aren't cheap.
      I personally was really interested in them (aka 8x00G APUs), as a sorta replacement for my old computer to save on power, but seeing double to even close to triple FPS on a i3+ new cheapo dGPU kinda insta cured me from that idea.

    • @StretchDattass
      @StretchDattass 10 месяцев назад +3

      @Eversor86 all these fuckers in the comments going "just buy a bunch of outdated hardware for the same price, sure it'll be bigger, heavier, and eat more power, but FPS GO BRRRRRR". LOL, the point of these APUs is for people who don't need, or likely will never buy a dGPU, either for power, budget, space, or any number of other reasons. These chips and the ones that will come after are a boon to budget gamers that want decent AAA performance, good to great Indie performance, upgradability on a not dead platform, and the portability to unplug 2 cables and chuck it in a bag for hotel/travel gaming. Why people can't see that "just buying last gens lowest end hardware" isn't the point of these, is fucking beyond me, it's exceptionally easy to see what the intended use case is, if I wanted mid-high gaming performance I wouldn't even look at an APU, performance roughly a little better than an ROG Ally in games while still having plenty of power to do general tasks and a modern chipset for faster steam link use so I can game in my living room without hearing the jet that runs my games? Sign me the fuck up.

    • @Eversor86
      @Eversor86 10 месяцев назад

      @@StretchDattass Yeah, part at that point if you already have a PC to use steam link with, you are probably better getting consoles like the one you mentioned. Also you exaggerate a bit with the need for cooling for an older CPU+dGPU alternative.
      And I agree with you about small factor without ever getting dGPU use cases for those APUs. Just added that I looked for an upgrade for me, to get a low power CPU that would let me keep my old as fuck GPU performance. Just the price of those APUs plus how not so good they are as a "driver" for dGPU that I could buy in future kinda stopped that idea for me.

    • @StretchDattass
      @StretchDattass 10 месяцев назад

      @Eversor86 I never mentioned consoles, unless you're referring to the 8700G system as a console, which it very much isnt. I also never mentioned cooling, what I mentioned was power consumption, space, noise, etc, all of which are valid points because regardless of what dGPU you put in it a CPU+GPU combo will be. Igger,heavier, amd suck more power than a 65 watt APU.
      Also, if you're looking for an upgrade path that let's you keep your old gpu, the 8700G will be fine for the vast majority of older GPUs, it will drive a dGPU just fine, way better than a 12100f will with half the cores, and you'll be able to upgrade to a better APU in a year when Strix Point (zen 5 APUs) comes out and gives you 1080p mid-high gaming without the dGPU, then possibility an EVEN BETTER APU a year after that that'll probably hit 1080p high-1440p low. Zen 5 APUs are targeted 3060 performance for the Halo SKU, zen 6 will be a 15-30% uplift, then by zen 7 or 8 well have like 3080-3090 performance on these fucking things. Budget APU gaming machines are a genuine possibility now, especially if we actually get zen 5s Halo APU SKU as a socketable chip.

  • @TheBond4141
    @TheBond4141 10 месяцев назад +6

    My first computer was a 3570k, for 2 months I used the iGPU before gettign a 7870.
    The ability to buy a CPU with actual, decent gaming graphics, and upgrade later is huge. Especially for the younger generation who may not have a computer to start gaming on.

  • @Gamepalooza
    @Gamepalooza 10 месяцев назад +80

    is it just me or is there a lot of echo in the studio when the vid starts out. I'm so used to sound being perfect on this channel that it stands out to me.

    • @eldukedrino
      @eldukedrino 10 месяцев назад +5

      yeah i think something happened while processing on RUclips. just feels way off their usual videos

    • @ac.creations
      @ac.creations 10 месяцев назад +1

      I heard it

    • @jakboling
      @jakboling 10 месяцев назад

      There is echo cancaltion going on or some other denoising thing. Its very bad sounding whatever they decided to do.

    • @WyattOShea
      @WyattOShea 10 месяцев назад

      Yeah there is certainly echo throughout the entire video. You might not notice it on speakers but on headphones I can hear it every time he speaks .

    • @leorickpccenter
      @leorickpccenter 10 месяцев назад

      and i thought something was wrong with my speakers.

  • @karrotop
    @karrotop 10 месяцев назад +12

    great for compact builds, htpcs, work computers, etc. imo.
    My HTPC is still running a bulldozer apu and I'm loving it

    • @R4d1o4ct1v3_
      @R4d1o4ct1v3_ 10 месяцев назад +1

      My immediate thought was: media PCs. Super small, behind the living room TV. Put a slim Linux distro on there with some emulators and it would be perfect to run older console games from the couch. And maybe make a dent in the older Steam titles I always keep meaning to get to xD

  • @9410besi.
    @9410besi. 10 месяцев назад +35

    I bought a 5600G just to be able to game and got a GPU later :) A really nice option to get a modern pc for cheaper and buy an actually good gpu when you can afford it.

    • @voltare2amstereo
      @voltare2amstereo 10 месяцев назад

      And you get more screen outputs for that financial broker style layout

    • @CasparAbelmann
      @CasparAbelmann 10 месяцев назад

      @@garystinten9339 Great choice to be honest. It's the best bang for the buck for sure! Apparently even better than Ryzen 9 7950X3D which costs 1.5x more.

    • @Jimster481
      @Jimster481 10 месяцев назад +2

      @@garystinten9339 That is hard, the AM5 platform is just way too expensive. AM4 is still a much better value.

    • @Jimster481
      @Jimster481 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@garystinten9339Yea EOL for AM5 might be good. It is hard to say though because AMD promised to 2025 and there isn't even a second CPU release on this platform yet and it barely has adoption.

    • @Jimster481
      @Jimster481 10 месяцев назад

      @@garystinten9339 There won't be anything really to "wipe out" AM4 because the reality is that Zen4 is literally 15-20% faster. Outside of the 7800x3D; the 7700x for example isn't even really faster than a 5800x3D. So maybe if AM5 gets Zen6 or something and it is really actually that much of a difference that it matters... I can tell you that Zen1 and Zen2 parts are still totally adequate today for 90% of users. I personally have a high refresh gaming setup (240HZ OLED 1440p) w/ a 5800x3D in a x370 board w/ a 7900xtx... Going to a 7800x3D wouldn't really net me any more FPS in anything that I play. However it would cost me a ton of money.
      I also have a Threadripper 3960x system and the new 7000 series Threadrippers are so expensive that they really have to deliver like 200% of the performance in order for it to be justified for me to upgrade...

  • @nielagi5029
    @nielagi5029 10 месяцев назад +76

    Damn impressive that Linus can guess FPS so accurately.
    Can we make a video where he keeps guessing FPS to test at what point he doesn't notice a difference anymore?

    • @QuickThrills1337
      @QuickThrills1337 10 месяцев назад +3

      everyone who has played more than a 1 pc game can guess the fps..

    • @chris6ix.
      @chris6ix. 10 месяцев назад +8

      Anything below let's say 90 FPS is quite easy to guess, especially below 50.

    • @nielagi5029
      @nielagi5029 10 месяцев назад +7

      @@QuickThrills1337 No way you can tell the difference between 100 fps and 120

    • @eggboi8654
      @eggboi8654 10 месяцев назад +2

      @@QuickThrills1337that’s cap. Yeah I can tell from 100 to 60 to 30 but I’m not picking a 40 or an 80 specifically

    • @dio8070
      @dio8070 10 месяцев назад

      @@nielagi5029well it depends on the game, let’s say Minecraft for example, that 20 fps difference can actually be noticeable sense you move your camera a lot, however a game like god of war and what not it’s harder to notice sense everything isent all snappy, there’s a shit ton of animations that can make it nearly impossible to notice the difference.

  • @qfurgie
    @qfurgie 10 месяцев назад +34

    Does the audio sound a bit weird to anyone else?

    • @ThePerfectToasterSetting
      @ThePerfectToasterSetting 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@tabeebrahman4843 You're tripping. AI isn't anywhere near that good yet. They're just using a different camera and mic setup, perhaps due to technical problems.

    • @IsraelWokoh
      @IsraelWokoh 10 месяцев назад

      A touch of echo?

    • @warfarenotwarfair5655
      @warfarenotwarfair5655 9 месяцев назад

      ​​@@ThePerfectToasterSetting"Trippin"? 1993 what's their slang back 😂

  • @ChusmaChusme
    @ChusmaChusme 10 месяцев назад +70

    Why does the audio sound really processed?

    • @diaa_bouras
      @diaa_bouras 10 месяцев назад +8

      If by any chance you're using the mobile RUclips app, there's a settings option that makes the audio on a single level across the length of the video, I guess that might result in a processed sound.

    • @ScottMyers-l1z
      @ScottMyers-l1z 10 месяцев назад +4

      @@diaa_bouras Yeah, sounds fine here. Tad of an echo in their room, but totally acceptable.

    • @dantedantec
      @dantedantec 10 месяцев назад +1

      sound pretty bad to me as well, like the room was not treated at all, and heavy noise reduction was applied.

    • @ChusmaChusme
      @ChusmaChusme 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@diaa_bouras Was not using mobile. Sounds like they were trying to compensate a bad set for sound so they applied noise reduction in post.

    • @monster9490
      @monster9490 10 месяцев назад

      Sounds fine on my end it’s got to be some form of setting

  • @kaseyboles30
    @kaseyboles30 10 месяцев назад +20

    I remember when integrated graphics meant built into the chipset on the Motherboard kind of like how laptops with 'discrete' gpu's often are.

    • @warfarenotwarfair5655
      @warfarenotwarfair5655 9 месяцев назад

      Yes, that was before the FM2 series and onward. AMD brought ATI just so they could produce APUs like Adreno for mobile platforms and the FM2 and now Ryzen APUs. These APUs will eventually become the standard and thanks to the mining tards all of these years the APUs have been better developed as people sought cheaper options.

    • @arnezbridges93
      @arnezbridges93 8 месяцев назад

      Also with smaller die processeses, there was room to move the gpu onto the cpu. Br8nging them closer improves speed and power efficiency.

  • @Lorenzo_631
    @Lorenzo_631 10 месяцев назад +19

    i see these CPUs being used as a stepping stone to gaming, cyberpunk on low at 30fps on an apu is nuts point blank, u get a capable chip and upgradability. pcie lanes will be worrisome especially x4 is wild maybe that's like complete entry level idk.

    • @bobbygetsbanned6049
      @bobbygetsbanned6049 10 месяцев назад +8

      Yeah, the lack of PCIe lanes seems to kill the point of these chips. Maybe they are for business computers that don't need discrete graphics, idk why anyone planning to upgrade in the future would get one of these with such minimal PCIe.

    • @blkspade23
      @blkspade23 10 месяцев назад

      @@bobbygetsbanned6049It will never matter that you're running a GPU at 8X on this CPU. Only the top tier GPUs even approach kinda sorta using all x16, and you'd need a X3D CPU to fully push them.

    • @bobbygetsbanned6049
      @bobbygetsbanned6049 10 месяцев назад

      @@blkspade23 It's true that a lot of GPUs don't need the full 16x TODAY, but it's not even remotely close to true that you need an X3d CPU to max out a GPU at 1440p or 4k. The only time the CPU even matters is at 1080 where most games are already stupid high fps. The whole best gaming CPU war is literally one of the dumbest things to ever exist, look you got 340 FPS instead of 320! Who gives a shit??

  • @MMOchAForPrez
    @MMOchAForPrez 10 месяцев назад +33

    The audio sounds hollow like someone used an aggressive noise filter on the whole video's voice track.

    • @tomasanderson6729
      @tomasanderson6729 10 месяцев назад

      Linus sounds different because he lost his beard then the production and youtube sponsors paid a imitator with surgeries, like The Beatles and Paul... Or maybe he is a reptilian.

    • @creaper3538
      @creaper3538 10 месяцев назад +1

      ikr I noticed it within 2 seconds of watching the video.

    • @MMOchAForPrez
      @MMOchAForPrez 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@creaper3538 It took me a while. I thought I had ambient sound activated on my earphones. Usually their audio is pretty good so I was surprised.

  • @kasimirdenhertog3516
    @kasimirdenhertog3516 10 месяцев назад +2

    Yes, it would’ve been nice if there was a full complement of PCIe lanes, but the impact is not as big as you might think. Four lanes PCIe 4.0 is still quite a bit of bandwidth. A test by PC Welt showed that with four lanes (8300G/8500G) a RTX 4090 will run at 94% of its potential, with eight lanes (8600G/8700G) 98%. That first figure may be slightly noticeable, the second one is within the margin of error.

  • @ThangPlants
    @ThangPlants 10 месяцев назад +7

    II think ShortCircuit is really great for these quick CPU and GPU videos. THey honestly don't need to be a long 30-40m essays.

  • @loloman666
    @loloman666 10 месяцев назад +8

    is this heavily edited backup audio

  • @HerrFeldhaus
    @HerrFeldhaus 10 месяцев назад +1

    I remember my last update at the beginning of corona.... you couldn't get graphics and this wonderful APUs safed my work and fun.
    Love them since then

  • @dragon2knight
    @dragon2knight 10 месяцев назад +14

    I have the 8600G coming in today, can't wait to fire it up and see what it can do. I've combined it with DDR5 6400 Trident ram and an AsRock B-650m motherboard, should be all it needs to perform well. FINALLY AMD got it right with their APU's!

    • @motoryzen
      @motoryzen 10 месяцев назад +4

      Finally got it right?
      Amd apus Have been able to run monitor titles at 720 medium and 1080P. Low end for over ten years... This is nothing special nor spectacular

    • @quantumleaper
      @quantumleaper 10 месяцев назад

      Vega stunk for APUs, I am glad they are using some modern now in the APU. I was glad when I got my graphics card for my 3200G.

    • @mikeymaiku
      @mikeymaiku 10 месяцев назад

      @@quantumleaper so you played right into thier marketing? well played

    • @motoryzen
      @motoryzen 10 месяцев назад

      @quantumleaper I'm not quite sure if the term stunk is what I would use to describe vega.
      PAUL from Paul's hardware formerly of newegg. TV way back in the day 10 plus years ago. Did a full view on A reasonable variety of a amd apu s

    • @quantumleaper
      @quantumleaper 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@mikeymaiku No, I bought the APU since there were NO graphics cards unless you wanted to pay a scalper price. I wasn't going to pay 3X that's when you could even find one, I hate mining...

  • @JesseArt
    @JesseArt 10 месяцев назад +1

    I was sold on this chip until the mention of the limited PCIe lanes. This would be great for a small NUC or Beelink type system, but if you eventually plan on adding a GPU later, the lack of lanes is kind of a deal-breaker.

  • @be4ns06
    @be4ns06 10 месяцев назад +4

    Beard my beloved rest in peace

  • @pcgamer1206
    @pcgamer1206 10 месяцев назад

    I did the PC of Theseus thing with my 2020 build! Worked out pretty well for me I think. I started out with an R5 3400G/RX580/B450 and have upgraded piece by piece over the last nearly 4 years to now have a 5800X/6650XT/B550 buying whatever parts were best value when an upgrade was warranted. At this point the only original part is the case! Next upgrade planned is a 6800 or 6900 whenever I can find one for super cheap to move up to a higher resolution monitor (currently running 1080p 144fps).

  • @includenull
    @includenull 10 месяцев назад +3

    No mention of the 256GB max RAM support? That's a first for a desktop class CPU, right?

  • @glennm449
    @glennm449 8 месяцев назад +1

    Seriously considering the AMD Ryzen 7 8700G paired with a B650 Mobo and 32gb DDR5. Most likely enough for occasional gaming and potential for upgrades in the future.

  • @RogueEagle
    @RogueEagle 10 месяцев назад +5

    Lack of lanes makes this DOA for me. I want something I can run on in between gpus

    • @OtherwiseUknownMonkey
      @OtherwiseUknownMonkey 10 месяцев назад +1

      exactly. id rather hold on with 7600 igpu rather than 8 less pcie lanes

  • @DesertCookie
    @DesertCookie Месяц назад +1

    Wish you had covered power consumption in more detail. Definitely a string suit of these chips too. I'm currently eying the 8500G to replace the Intel 11400 in my home server. It would net me about 10-20% more performance, while more than halfing my power consumption by the conservative estimate and basically reduce it to 25% in idle. That's energy savings of 175-250 € annually!
    The current 11400 server consumes around 100 W in idle and 115 W under load, despite having disabled boosting in BIOS. The main power consumption is the five HDDs and the CPU. With energy costs of 47 cents per kWh, a new system quickly pays for itself in 2-3 years. Which, coincidently, is the age of this 11400 system which had a Threadripper 1900X and GTX 1650 in it before.

  • @DimaZeru
    @DimaZeru 10 месяцев назад +2

    2:41 Looks like 8700G and 8600G Base clocks are the other way arround...

    • @Heymisterbadguy
      @Heymisterbadguy 9 месяцев назад

      They are not; usually CPUs with less cores can have higher clocks with a similar or slightly lower TDP

  • @johnathaan1
    @johnathaan1 10 дней назад

    Watching this video 10 months later and seeing the pricing drop aggressively is interesting to see and also there is plenty of tuning and OCing videos out there so these chips perform very well even more so now

  • @Mongoloidmyke
    @Mongoloidmyke 10 месяцев назад +4

    Where's Anthony? Miss that guy!

    • @bgezal
      @bgezal 10 месяцев назад +1

      Anthony is Emily since 8 months now and have chosen not to host videos until she feels comfortable with it. www.youtube.com/@emily-young

    • @Mongoloidmyke
      @Mongoloidmyke 10 месяцев назад +5

      @@bgezal That's out of control...Yikes

  • @David-ln8qh
    @David-ln8qh 8 месяцев назад

    When I was in high school I built my first system (2008) with a hard $800 limit. I got a solid cpu (e6750) with a large-ish power supply but skimped with an 8600 GT, knowing I could then spend however many months saving up for a really nice card (ended up with a 9800GTX+) and complete my build. If I had access to chips like this back then it would've made a perfect upgrade path for such a strict budget without sacrificing the end build.

  • @Nam3Iess
    @Nam3Iess 10 месяцев назад +4

    AMDs iGPU is a game changer for ultrabooks. I went with AMD after years on Intel. My ultrabook has an 8 core Ryzen 7 with the 680M and I can play new games at 1080p with mostly 60FPS (of course with mixed settings). The machine has 32GB DDR5 RAM so I did allocate 4GB to the iGPU and I love the experience so far.

    • @malik-mahdi
      @malik-mahdi 10 месяцев назад

      can i as whats the max ram u can allocate to it ? and at what point it stops giving noticeable performance change ?

    • @Nam3Iess
      @Nam3Iess 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@malik-mahdi There are only 2 settings in AMD Adrenaline: Productivity or Gaming. By default it came with productivity and it only used 512MB from the RAM. I switched it to Gaming and then it went straight to 4GB.

    • @malik-mahdi
      @malik-mahdi 10 месяцев назад

      so u cant do more or less than 4gb ? interresting since it means 24 to 32gb of ddr5 would be more than enought@@Nam3Iess

    • @Jannickjay
      @Jannickjay 10 месяцев назад +2

      AMD is amazing! 🙏🏻

    • @malik-mahdi
      @malik-mahdi 10 месяцев назад

      almost it still needs a price cut@@Jannickjay

  • @JusticeGamingChannel
    @JusticeGamingChannel 10 месяцев назад +1

    No power and temp data? Didn't mention the STAPM issue?

  • @maschinen181
    @maschinen181 10 месяцев назад +7

    how is it possible that they acknowledge that you can get as good as up to rx 6600 gpu but then only use the same as AMD's contrived marketing example expensive cpu paired with gtx 1650 build in their benchmarks

    • @sush7117
      @sush7117 10 месяцев назад

      probably because AMD claimed that 8000Gs are better that intel+nvidia combo for the same price. They didn't say anything about their own GPUs :D

    • @MrCharlieBros
      @MrCharlieBros 10 месяцев назад

      Because he literally said that of course that may be better and will surely outperform the new chips, but then you would be in a dead platform, so for the comparisons, he grabbed the newest platforms available and the 5600G because is the direct predecessor.

    • @maschinen181
      @maschinen181 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@MrCharlieBros no? because 12400f is on the same socket as 13400f and in fact has the same performance in nearly everything (the 4 ecores dont really do much) even when paired with ddr5 b760 mobo and ddr5 ram, and can still afford rx 6600xt in the same total price as 8700g+cheap b650+decent cl32 kit 32gb ddr5

  • @Twenty_Six_Hundred
    @Twenty_Six_Hundred 10 месяцев назад +1

    Well as a budget gamer i love the fact AMD is continuing development on these hybrid chips. My 5600G has served well for a longtime considering i mainly play emulators

  • @jamesbrassfield8409
    @jamesbrassfield8409 10 месяцев назад +5

    Hello everyone

  • @HedgehogY2K
    @HedgehogY2K 10 месяцев назад +1

    1:52 Dude: 2400G, 4700G, Ryzen 6000 was laptop only, and now 8700G is... Oh wait I see what you mean, there has always been a G to along with the regular CPUs of the same generation. This is weird, basing a new thousand off integrated graphics as a factor, I wonder if that'll be consistent for AM5 moving forward. I mean graphics is important and AMD kinda rules on both, so why not CPU 1 year, and APU the next?

  • @JohnnyOrgan
    @JohnnyOrgan 10 месяцев назад +1

    I imagine that if you were buying these chips as a gamer, or as a skint parent, with the intention to purchase a dedicated GPU down the line...you're doing that because you're on the budget end of the market and have no intention of buying something like a RTX 4090. Most modern budget AMD GPUs such as the 7600 only run at PCIe 4.0x8...So that wouldn't be a problem and would be a substantial upgrade.
    I've always loved AMD's APUs. They've always been a great Windows/Linux/Retro gaming option. Especially in the past few years. Where are the Athlons at????

  • @powerdude_dk
    @powerdude_dk 10 месяцев назад +1

    0:44 it's ok to be short Linus... We still love you 😘

  • @amdkillaplays
    @amdkillaplays 10 месяцев назад

    What they need is an option in the BIOS to disable the onboard GPU to open back up those PCIe lanes (assuming that's part of the reason they have fewer), and then they have the perfect chip

  • @MaethorDerien
    @MaethorDerien 10 месяцев назад +1

    I think these make sense in the miniPC market. For so long that market has been kinda crippled in the GPU area. I can really see these being super useful for minipc's and ultra small Form factor builds.

    • @iku7630
      @iku7630 10 месяцев назад

      There are mini pc's with a mobile gpu in them. Iirc the best you can get is one with a 6600m (roughly like a 3060 mobile). The newest ones have the 8700g cpu basically as well.

  • @abavariannormiepleb9470
    @abavariannormiepleb9470 10 месяцев назад +2

    The regression in the amount of PCIe lanes sucks since the 4000G and 5000G APUs finally got the same amount PCIe lanes (be it Gen3 instead of Gen4) as the Ryzen 3000 and 5000 CPUs.

  • @edisirio506
    @edisirio506 10 месяцев назад +2

    they should make a trx40 apu. like only 8 cpu cores(maybe even a full 7800x3d in it) and all the gpu cores that they can fit into that thing

  • @danielglang6312
    @danielglang6312 6 месяцев назад

    One advantage of the 8000g cards with the integrated graphics is that they free the 16 lane PCIE slot to handle 4 NVME M.2 SSDs via an adaptor.

  • @StaySic4Ever
    @StaySic4Ever 10 месяцев назад +1

    They could make a 8-core X3D chip with much larger iGPU akin to current console APUs now that would be sick.

  • @tomallo99
    @tomallo99 10 месяцев назад +1

    Is the low number of pcie lanes an arbitrary litmiation not to cannibalize sales of higher end chips, or a necessary compromise in this case?

    • @jameslake7775
      @jameslake7775 10 месяцев назад +1

      These are the same silicon as AMD's laptop lineup but in a desktop package and with a higher power limit. Laptops don't require as many PCIe lanes and the controllers take up die space, and AMD seemed to be thinking laptop-first on these, so it was designed with less.
      Whether that's arbitrary or necessary could be debated. AMD certainly could have designed a dedicated desktop APU that doesn't compromise on those specs... but that would involve more spending R&D and more validation work, and they couldn't shift production between desktop and laptop as easily if demand changed, so pricing probably wouldn't be the same that route.

    • @tomallo99
      @tomallo99 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@jameslake7775 Oh yeah, makes sense, many thanks for the thorough answer!

  • @nateo200
    @nateo200 10 месяцев назад

    @2:35 THe data info on the screen says the 8600G gets the higher base clock not he 8700G or did I hear that or see that wrong?

  • @zorrothebug
    @zorrothebug 10 месяцев назад

    2:37 Linus says "only the 8700G actually gets the higher base clocks", the graphics say 8700G gets 100Mhz _less_ base clocks than the 8600G and the 7640HS.
    So what's correct?

  • @hard4hardware
    @hard4hardware 10 месяцев назад

    Error at 2:40. Script is wrong, infographic follows script and is not wrong, but It's the boost clock that is higher on 8700g. NOT BASECLOCK
    Logically follows the point made earlier about bigger power budget unlocked for desktop

  • @q.edwards4891
    @q.edwards4891 10 месяцев назад +2

    Seems like there's a lot of audio bouncing in this video... or is it just me?

  • @tilgare
    @tilgare 10 месяцев назад

    The Short Circuit light in the background - amazing.

  • @xanderlurks
    @xanderlurks 10 месяцев назад

    Wow that Camera is so sharp on the intro I love it

  • @mitchwest6453
    @mitchwest6453 10 месяцев назад

    Bought one of these for an office PC I'm building for a client, since it will be a small form factor PC that needs to have some graphics capability, just in case. I'm honestly excited to see what the integrated GPU can do, it's possibly a big stepping stone into the future of computer hardware.

  • @hardy83
    @hardy83 10 месяцев назад +2

    So if these apus have a pcie issue, is there a "best" gpu for them (for futur upgrading)? Like is something crazy like a 4080 too much for the APU to handle?

    • @jannegrey
      @jannegrey 10 месяцев назад

      They have x8 PCIe lanes for dGPU - anything in current generation should be fine (except maybe 4090 and maybe a bit 7900XTX and 4080/4080 Super - though you will lose maybe couple percent with anything else than 4090). Future generation cards might have problem (meaning you don't get their full performance).
      The biggest issue is that lower SKU's have x4 connection. That will limit most current and previous gen cards. 6500XT will be fine, but anything else, might have issues. And if you put an old card that uses PCIe 3.0 - oof.

  • @WizzardLizzardd
    @WizzardLizzardd 10 месяцев назад +1

    I would love to see you guys slap a rtx 4090 to one of these chips and see how much performance leaves on the table if someone decides to upgrade after few years.

  • @RobLaverick
    @RobLaverick 10 месяцев назад +1

    I would love to see how that x4 link actually impacts gaming on a modern gpu, how much PCI-e bandwidth are we actually using when gaming these days?

    • @mattrs1
      @mattrs1 10 месяцев назад

      The 6500xt is a prime example of this: the 8gb is on par with a 5500xt 4gb gb using pcie4x4 and a complete deadweight using pcie 3

    • @emu071981
      @emu071981 10 месяцев назад

      The problem with assessing the impact is the fact that PCIe bandwidth requirements can vary greatly between games and applications. Personally I wouldn't even bother with pairing a decent discrete GPU on a CPU with only 4 lanes of PCIe bandwidth because any discrete GPU worth pairing them with is likely going to run into bandwidth limitations. Even the 8 lanes can cause issues with GPUs as powerful as the RTX 3080 or better but, again, it highly depends on your games and/or applications.

    • @emu071981
      @emu071981 10 месяцев назад

      The problem with assessing the impact is the fact that PCIe bandwidth requirements can vary greatly between games and applications. Personally I wouldn't even bother with pairing a decent discrete GPU on a CPU with only 4 lanes of PCIe bandwidth because any discrete GPU worth pairing them with is likely going to run into bandwidth limitations. Even the 8 lanes can cause issues with GPUs as powerful as the RTX 3080 or better but, again, it highly depends on your games and/or applications.

  • @Hirooshii1
    @Hirooshii1 10 месяцев назад +1

    Discoverd the magic of an apu with the 3200g, i couldnt affort a lot and needed a new pc, and at the time WoW classic just came out so it was perfect for a low end build, was right before covid, and i could play a bunch of games with it, about a year after i bought a used 1070 and been rocking that ever since, and even am able to play VR games, sure maybe its not the highest quality in the world, but its been a great way to step into pc gaming again, got to beat elden ring with the added 1070 aswell in 1440p.
    Great little budget system.

    • @malik-mahdi
      @malik-mahdi 10 месяцев назад +1

      bruh u should upgrade ur cpu even just a ryzen 5 3600 will give you the best 1070 gaming experience (anything over this and the gpu will start bottlenecking )

    • @Hirooshii1
      @Hirooshii1 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@malik-mahdi Ow i definetly will, but atm im to broke to afford anything extra, i do agree with you though.
      I'm saving up for a new system and turning my 3200g into a NAS.
      Thanks for the tip though, apreciate it!

    • @malik-mahdi
      @malik-mahdi 10 месяцев назад

      bruh ur not the only broke here my ambitions are waaaaay higher than what my pocket can afford i want a 700$ gaming pc while i cant even afford a case @@Hirooshii1

  • @Half_Finis
    @Half_Finis 10 месяцев назад

    Another thing about APUs, if ur new gpu hasnt arrived yet u have a backup

  • @TheHope12322
    @TheHope12322 10 месяцев назад

    Don't forget Linus you have about 500-600 MHz additional overhead to overclock the GPU cores of the APU.
    I've got my 7950x from 2200-2725 24/7 stable.

  • @MissMischief-uu2iw
    @MissMischief-uu2iw 10 месяцев назад

    Correct me if I'm wrong but the 5000 and 4000 series APUs were limited by the old vega architecture, and they would have probably done better with a more up-to-date architecture, it might be possible to test that with an equivalent GPU

  • @mikealmogy
    @mikealmogy 10 месяцев назад

    a note about the "Computer if Theseus" :-) when i build a computer my goal is to have as much upgradability as i can. In that case, unless AMD will change their paradigm and start changing the socket every 2-3 generations like Intel, using AM5 is a great idea. You know that you do not have to change the MB unless you need new abilities. Anyway, back to the "Computer if Theseus", you upgrade the pc in turns. For example, i bought a new computer with 2.5" ssd's. Over the last 2 years i have been upgrading it to a fully M.2 drives. Then, i upgraded the drives to the best PCIE4 i could buy (Samsung 980 pro) at a good price. I always looking for a good deals and if i see one and need the upgrade, then i do it. Is it the same PC at the end? no but 1. there is no end and 2. i keep the OS so it is the same PC?

  • @DVRKSHVYVN
    @DVRKSHVYVN 10 месяцев назад

    Given the success of SFF/Mini using 4650g as an APU, I could see workstations using the 8600G in their SKUs instead of just having intel desktops.
    And lack of PCIE lanes wont matter as much cause in that form factor, you'll maybe 2 NVME drives and a WiFi 2230 card.

  • @thunderarch5951
    @thunderarch5951 10 месяцев назад +1

    The igpu on the 8700G with fast rams goes like a 5500xt, not bad at all

  • @Nostalgia_Realm
    @Nostalgia_Realm 8 месяцев назад

    I feel like the next step will be CPU + CPU + NPU + RAM all bolted onto the same chip. Apple has already set this trend with the M1.

  • @TaskerTech
    @TaskerTech 10 месяцев назад

    Great video, short, infomative and stright to the point.

  • @penonton4260
    @penonton4260 10 месяцев назад +2

    If only the 8000G was given 32MB L3 cache
    like the 7000 series.
    maybe it will be able to improve CPU performance.

    • @noticing33
      @noticing33 10 месяцев назад

      Deffo amd needs to up their laptops cache they'd smack intel in laptop gaming, theh should also add a feature where most the cache can be powered off when laptop is idle and low usage

  • @FerralVideo
    @FerralVideo 10 месяцев назад

    Talking about "PC of Theseus", I name my computers, and usually give it a new name when it gets all of its core components replaced. CPU, Motherboard, Graphics, maybe case.
    I'll bring components forward from an old build frequently, such as RAM, PSUs, drives, and sometimes cases as I'm able depending on what the new system calls for.
    My last rig "Ninetales" bucked this trend by going through some experimentation and went through a full rebuild while retaining the name.
    Though I ended up keeping the original CPU with a different motherboard, and the original motherboard went on to go into another system.

  • @mitcoes
    @mitcoes 10 месяцев назад

    That is for SOHO, and AIO. And rarely casual gaming, but perhaps some picture or video editing.
    If you want an entry level gaming machine, today, a Steam Deck is the clever choice in price / performance, adding a dock, monitor, keyboard and mouse, with the new Chinese Orange pi handheld when it will be out with external GPU options to improve the desktop experience, as competition, because MS WOS still sucks for battery use.

  • @scottstamm7022
    @scottstamm7022 10 месяцев назад

    If you're doing a 2 PC Gaming/Streaming setup, I think those 8600G/8700G would be perfect, especially if they have AV1 encoding!

    • @SrApathy33
      @SrApathy33 10 месяцев назад

      I have not checked but nobody mentioned AV1 encoding for these chips. That's still a dedicated GPU feature that probably takes too much die space. Otherwise, yeah, they would kick budd!

  • @GeneralHavan
    @GeneralHavan 10 месяцев назад +1

    Small error. Graphic showed the 8600g at 100mhz faster base clock than the 8700g, which is correct, but Linus says the opposite.

  • @hibiscussocietynews8320
    @hibiscussocietynews8320 10 месяцев назад +1

    The lack of PCIe lanes is understandable due to the lanes being used for the onboard gpu

    • @lukas_ls
      @lukas_ls 10 месяцев назад

      Doesn’t make it any better

    • @hibiscussocietynews8320
      @hibiscussocietynews8320 10 месяцев назад

      @@lukas_ls no but you can't always get what you want no matter what your mom tells you lol

    • @lukas_ls
      @lukas_ls 10 месяцев назад

      @@hibiscussocietynews8320 AMD could have done it better. Just increase lane count or find another solution

    • @hibiscussocietynews8320
      @hibiscussocietynews8320 10 месяцев назад

      @@lukas_ls you're missing the point this isn't like some freeway where you can just add more lanes

    • @lukas_ls
      @lukas_ls 10 месяцев назад

      @@hibiscussocietynews8320 it's not that hard

  • @inmypaants
    @inmypaants 10 месяцев назад

    I would only use this in a very tiny office SFF setup. The price to performance options on the used market and even AM4 with a dedicated GPU is just too compelling.

  • @KangoV
    @KangoV 10 месяцев назад

    As long as I can get a motherboard with dual DP (normal or usbc) outs, I'll be happy to use one of these in my new development machine in a tiny case.

  • @mindinversions4487
    @mindinversions4487 10 месяцев назад

    on the iGPU front, I'm wondering if NVIDIA is banking on the continued advancements to replace the bottom 2/3 of the market segment? Let's face it, in 5 years integrated may well be AT 1080 high 120FPS... especially with intel's continued work in the GPU space.

  • @Yuki2204
    @Yuki2204 10 месяцев назад

    Wouldn't mind something like an 8800X3D-G 3d Vcache and a decently usable IGP will do great for accelerating certain work loads, Transcoding etc.

    • @RomvnlyPlays
      @RomvnlyPlays 10 месяцев назад

      Not really. Intel iGPUs are vastly superior for transcoding.

    • @Yuki2204
      @Yuki2204 10 месяцев назад

      Actually they aren't that far ahead in H265, And secondly, Intel CPU's are currently dogshit compared to AMD's Vcache series, and lastly not everyone needs the worlds best transcoder, 99% of twitch streamers? would be suited perfectly fine with an AMD, Intel Or Nvidia transcoder, 90% of plex boxes? Served perfectly fine from any of the hardware accelerated transcoders, Unless you are running a top 01% professional service where it's actually important, you wont be using a hardware based transcoder anyway and actually have a capture card and dedicated stream rig that uses software based transcoding.@@RomvnlyPlays

  • @Hyperion9700
    @Hyperion9700 10 месяцев назад

    As someone with a 5600G. I didnt know about the by 8 lanes to the dGPU so I got an RX6600XT as it only has 8 lanes

  • @pr1stvan
    @pr1stvan 10 месяцев назад +1

    7:47: The best IGPU in 2024 still can’t outperform a low -mid gpu from 2016, almost 10 years ago?

  • @DaniilVodopian
    @DaniilVodopian 10 месяцев назад

    Liking how you highlight the relevant row in the graphs! Now please add the price of those cpus to the row description for context

  • @SpicerJack
    @SpicerJack 10 месяцев назад

    This (to me) is why intel made the Arc play--even if they don't end up super competitive in the dedicated graphics card space, they can't let themselves get outpaced by the dedicated graphics built into a ton of AMD chips. We can already see them moving toward that in the MSI handheld.

  • @mokahless
    @mokahless 10 месяцев назад

    4:15 - I dunno about that man. 8700G= $329. 7600+6500XT=$334. 8500G+6500XT=$314. This all remains on the AM5 platform. Meanwhile on the Intel side, the 12100F is $99 leaving you on their latest platform with $230 for the GPU, netting an RX6600 or RTX 2060.
    There is an argument to be made for the 8700G, but considering the options out there, I don't think it's as compelling as you make it out to be.

  • @vannustube
    @vannustube 10 месяцев назад

    will also be good for extra small form factor builds
    (which LTT / Jayz should do!)

  • @hold_ma_beer9815
    @hold_ma_beer9815 10 месяцев назад

    Welp, I've been using the 2200G for years now. It is overclocked to limits and runs "my" games perfectly well! That includes Warframe, GTA 5, Just Cause, etc. Love to see more chips in this category :)

  • @AnthonyDunstan
    @AnthonyDunstan 9 месяцев назад

    might wanna deverb that room reverb.... great video!!

  • @Sonic6293
    @Sonic6293 10 месяцев назад +1

    I bought an 8700G day one and its been fine. I like my new sub 3L PC. I know it's not the most pragmatic or value oriented part but, having a fully custom built PC about the size of an Xbox Series S is SICK.

    • @Sonic6293
      @Sonic6293 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@Jantcha A case called the HK05, uses a FlexATX PSU.

  • @jasonoreilly2795
    @jasonoreilly2795 18 дней назад

    Hi, silly question. Looking to use this chip and pair it with my 1060 6gb until that goes boom. Then switch to the APU for my gaming (which is very light) needs. What card within the £$3-400 range would you then consider for a bit more demanding games but not necessarily that latest.
    I really want to stick with an AMD5 platform and with the time used using the 1060 in the new pc will be used to save for the upgraded gpu for whenever that may happen.
    Thanks for any advice

  • @moritzczauderna5562
    @moritzczauderna5562 10 месяцев назад +1

    Is it a choice by LTT or youtube why some videos, like this one, can't be added to (youtube user created) playlists? I like doing that for videos I plan on listening too later and there seem to be no rhyme or reason why the option is sometimes missing.

    • @ainstrument
      @ainstrument 10 месяцев назад

      Do you mean when you can only see the Like and Share buttons? I've encountered that sometimes on my other computer, and just have to zoom out the browser to see the 3-dot button, which has the Save button. So I think it's just a bug on YT's end.

    • @moritzczauderna5562
      @moritzczauderna5562 10 месяцев назад

      @@ainstrument That might be it actually, thanks.

  • @saforder
    @saforder 10 месяцев назад

    For value, it seems better to get a discrete GPU and a normal CPU still as when you upgrade you can sell your old card but with this setup, you are stuck with a useless bit of silicon in the system. It would have been great if the onboard graphics could still have been utilised in some way when a dedicated GPU is used.

  • @blkspade23
    @blkspade23 10 месяцев назад

    PC of Theseus still applies, when you can dump this CPU for something better in socket 3 years from now. The Ryzen 7 2700 wasn't the final form for my AM4 board.

  • @gamechamp19
    @gamechamp19 10 месяцев назад

    I bought a 5600g with no hope of getting a video card, its been almost perfect for me, able to play most of the games i want to play at max graphics, only one or two I got to so far that I had to turn visuals down.

  • @245yghh
    @245yghh 10 месяцев назад

    But I have one observation. Wont the fan colling the aluminium heatsink push the heat back towards the processor. I believe the heat needs to be pulled away from the heatsink, instead of the heat which is rising from the cpu heatsink being pushed back at the chip. your thoughts on this dilema please. I feel the heat will linger around the processor longer.