AMD failed to mention this... - AMD Ryzen 8000G Series
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
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AMD has been pretty quiet about the entry-level 8600G and 8700G CPUs, but why? With reduced PCIe lanes, Zen4c cores, a pretty beefy built-in GPU, and an accessible price when compared to buying a GPU, these new chips seem like they could be great choices for those looking to dip their toes into PC gaming. Linus is here to see if they're worth your hard-earned money.
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 The two CPUs that matter?
0:41 Unboxing and included accessories
1:33 So, what's new here?
3:03 Sponsor - Sharge
3:43 Does this pricing make sense?
4:39 Gaming impressions - Cyberpunk 2077
6:04 LABS performance and gaming test results
8:02 Overall thoughts and PCIe disappointments
9:45 Outro 
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Look at that majestic beard I sure hope nothing happens to it.
Rip, Linus lost his puberty.
I heard Linus was worried that the beard's weight dragged his head down by a couple of .01 inches, and at his size every little bit counts.
New CEO said beards are unprofessional.
too late
aaaaand it's gone
Interesting that the PCI-e lanes limitation got overlooked in AMD's briefing, that's important info. Looking forward to AMD fully fulfilling their promise on 'fusion'.
They already have on the server side. They beat NVIDIA with the MI300X. Just look at a video on it.
Also, Zen 6 look like the generation with huge leaps on the fusion front.
That Cyberpunk FPS is not that far behind the RX 580 I used until a few months back. But that thing pulled 180 W. Pretty spectacular.
and in this igpu you can enable ray tracing
Hey am I trippin or did Linus just grow his beard back overnight
yeah his beard is like harry potter's hair
The video was filmed before that lmao 🤣
They have edit these. Plus they put them out at slower pace so the staff has time since... the incidence.
Clearly ai
Remember that the video was probably recorded over a week ago
Well, it wasn't filmed today or yesterday afternoon :P
We got the OG derpy Linus back yay!
The lack of PCIe lanes is going to come back to bite them on these. Only use case for these is ultra small form factors but at the same time the NUCs with these in are going to be sick
AMD has been doing this for like all of their entry level stuff, it's terrible. 6400 only has x4 lanes which makes it terrible for older systems
Well this is the same chip that going to laptop, only packaged as desktop. PCIE 5.0 should be next gen also so prob not.
@@maou5025 the chip doesn't support PCIE 5.0
As its still very fast PCIe not PCie 2 or 3 I don't think its actually going to be too bad - the motherboard can (and probably does) have a PCIe switch built in that will let you still get some really high performance from many devices - as almost everything PCIe device wise a normal end user buying this sort of CPU might want isn't going to saturate even 2 lanes of PCie 4.
I do agree more would have been very nice, though for me more important is the NUMA stuff going on in the CPU - small form factor with potent onboard graphics and PCIe options sounds like a dream for many virtualisation and homelab type enthusiast, and at a low TDP too - though I'd love to have seen the labs provide power draw under that gaming load...
@@foldionepapyrus3441no, motherboards don’t have it. PCIe switches are expensive and hardly used in motherboards.
PCIe Lane allocation is mostly static, even on the 8700G two M.2 Slots will not work on most AM5 boards
Linus is my age and I remember getting my first APU and playing CS and having such a great time
If you are just starting you’ll have so much fun.
CS or C:S?
We need an "8800G3D" with 16 graphics cores and 3D v-cache. Never gonna happen, but I'd buy it. I love AMD's APUs and SFF builds, but the 8700G needs to come down in price like the 5700G has. Currently you can get a cheaper CPU and discrete GPU that gets double the FPS for less money.
And you will put settings at least to medium up to ultra while if you use 8700g it will be at low. Right now in my country the price of new 8700g is around the same as new 5600 + rx 6600 which I use and run bg3 80 fps ultra settings.
Agreed
Exactly what I thought. Part of the v-cache could be used as "infinity cache" by the graphics cores. And TDP - up to 150 W I'm fine - let the GPU work well. Also why the GPU cores should consume PCI-E lanes ? Let them connect internally via infinity fabric or how they call it.
@@angelg3986infinity fabric is physically based on PCIe so...
That would be insane but they sacrifice the 3D V-cache to fit the GPU, I mean it does a lot of sense to put more cache into because you have a 128 bit bus memory which needs to feed the 8 cores and 16 threads of the CPU and the whole iGPU but we can have everything
The audio feels really cooked atm, but yknow having a pc the size of like a ps4 is wild.
Yes
It seems echoey
yeah! I'm feeling the same@@Aquaboom123
yeah, probably a backup microphone on the camera or something
@@DrWurzeli if anything, it's probably a noise or echo removal tool that did it.
PC the size of the PS4 at price of a PS5. Even with $229 8600G, you would still need a case, power supply, mobo, ram, and storage. In two years this will make a great ebay buy, but not right now.
is it just me or is there a lot of echo in the studio when the vid starts out. I'm so used to sound being perfect on this channel that it stands out to me.
yeah i think something happened while processing on RUclips. just feels way off their usual videos
I heard it
There is echo cancaltion going on or some other denoising thing. Its very bad sounding whatever they decided to do.
Yeah there is certainly echo throughout the entire video. You might not notice it on speakers but on headphones I can hear it every time he speaks .
and i thought something was wrong with my speakers.
Where this CPU/APU will really shine are small HTPC builds that only have room for motherboard & low profile CPU cooler & external laptop PSU. Also, I would be in interested seeing some graphs on how performance per watt (power efficiency) does look with this APU vs equivalent CPU & GPU - cuz It should be amazing.
These Ryzen APUs are in Nvidia 1050 territory and climbing.
Noooo way! If i hadn't seen your review I would'nt have noticed the PCI-E shortcomings! I was so hyped about these chips I just skipped that part, because I thought the only downside was not having PCI-E gen 5 connectivity. You saved me.
Man.. Grow up. It's not like it's even such a big issue for this specific SKU
@@PhyrexJman grow up, he has his preference and needs. If it does not meet his requirements its useless to him.
Yeah thats a killer for me, i dont mind not having the latest PCIE. my GPU is a x16 4.0 card, so 5.0 isnt really a big deal. I was looking at these chips since im a bit of a heat and noise freak. im currently using a 5700g for its low power draw, but i really need lanes for my drives, since im a data hoarder, who loves NVME m.2 drives
This is pretty par for the course for AMD apus. Last gen(5700g) was also 1 generation of pci-e behind.
@@justanobody4983if he needed performance with the need for extra lanes for a beefy gfx he wouldn't be shopping in this price bracket
Linus with paper printouts. Nice.
Anyways, feels natural than staring at blank space ahead on the teleprompter
Deer in the headlights with deadair
great for compact builds, htpcs, work computers, etc. imo.
My HTPC is still running a bulldozer apu and I'm loving it
My immediate thought was: media PCs. Super small, behind the living room TV. Put a slim Linux distro on there with some emulators and it would be perfect to run older console games from the couch. And maybe make a dent in the older Steam titles I always keep meaning to get to xD
I remember when integrated graphics meant built into the chipset on the Motherboard kind of like how laptops with 'discrete' gpu's often are.
Yes, that was before the FM2 series and onward. AMD brought ATI just so they could produce APUs like Adreno for mobile platforms and the FM2 and now Ryzen APUs. These APUs will eventually become the standard and thanks to the mining tards all of these years the APUs have been better developed as people sought cheaper options.
Also with smaller die processeses, there was room to move the gpu onto the cpu. Br8nging them closer improves speed and power efficiency.
My first computer was a 3570k, for 2 months I used the iGPU before gettign a 7870.
The ability to buy a CPU with actual, decent gaming graphics, and upgrade later is huge. Especially for the younger generation who may not have a computer to start gaming on.
Damn impressive that Linus can guess FPS so accurately.
Can we make a video where he keeps guessing FPS to test at what point he doesn't notice a difference anymore?
everyone who has played more than a 1 pc game can guess the fps..
Anything below let's say 90 FPS is quite easy to guess, especially below 50.
@@QuickThrills1337 No way you can tell the difference between 100 fps and 120
@@QuickThrills1337that’s cap. Yeah I can tell from 100 to 60 to 30 but I’m not picking a 40 or an 80 specifically
@@nielagi5029well it depends on the game, let’s say Minecraft for example, that 20 fps difference can actually be noticeable sense you move your camera a lot, however a game like god of war and what not it’s harder to notice sense everything isent all snappy, there’s a shit ton of animations that can make it nearly impossible to notice the difference.
Liking how you highlight the relevant row in the graphs! Now please add the price of those cpus to the row description for context
The Short Circuit light in the background - amazing.
Does the audio sound a bit weird to anyone else?
@@tabeebrahman4843 You're tripping. AI isn't anywhere near that good yet. They're just using a different camera and mic setup, perhaps due to technical problems.
A touch of echo?
@@perfecttoast19"Trippin"? 1993 what's their slang back 😂
As someone who was in PC retail, this is fantastic! Being able to sell a decent starter PC to someone now for like $700-$800 without compromising on important components like ram, psu, ssd that can do regular tasks and play most games is excellent. Then the same customer (let’s say a teenager with their first job, or a kid who wanted a pc for Christmas) can come right back in 6 months when they’ve got $300-$400 saved up for a solid dedicated gpu that will just pop right in! I’ve seen too many people go for the i3/last years i5 with barely adequate ram and storage (often a worse value) just so they can squeeze the cheapest $200 gpu we had into the budget.
that, but also with these already hitting 1080p low, and how big of a performance bump zen 5 is supposed to be, next gen will probably hit 1080p medium for most games, then zen 6 possibly being on the AM 5 socket still will likely hit 1080p high/1440 low, so you have an upgrade path even without a dedicated gpu. get a tiny case and youve got an upgradable gaming pc your kid can throw in their bag and game with friends after school, a barely noticeable media/steamlink machine for your living room, a functional gaming machine that can be chucked in a suitcase for travel gaming on trips, etc.
Its all cool and dandy, till you see some benchmarks. i3 CPU with even store bought cheapo GPU eats those APU for breakfast for gaming. Saw results from 2 to as much as 3 times the FPS depending how "cheap" the GPU is. In my region the 8700G costs so much that 12100F+RX6600 both new cost like 50+ USD less, and RX7600 50- USD more. Sure 4C/8T i3 loses in productivity benchmarks, but those APUs are low cache low PCIe lanes to the point they actually are a hindrance for a proper GPU. And if my region prices are to be used, you could just change the i3 to some other "entry" level CPUs like 5600X that beat 8700G as a dGPU "driver". As such apart from LTT basically any other review I saw recommends a setup of a cheaper CPU+dGPU.
The only use cases for those APUs its seems to be a extra small form factor builds, or if you care for power consumption a lot as CPU+dGPU alternatives probably eat more power as a whole platform than those APU would, but then that only matters if you assume you will never get a dGPU for the APU as with dGPU the comparison kinda gets moot.
The only proper APU I see useful are the future ones that will have to like 40 CUs instead of barely 12, but they are also supposed to have 4+ channels for memory not just 2 like 5x00G/8x00Gs, cause the memory is the biggest bottle neck for iGPUs. Part I kinda don't see us getting a cheap specialized mobos to utilize those APUs in desktop format. Maybe in Threadripper line, but those aren't cheap.
I personally was really interested in them (aka 8x00G APUs), as a sorta replacement for my old computer to save on power, but seeing double to even close to triple FPS on a i3+ new cheapo dGPU kinda insta cured me from that idea.
@Eversor86 all these fuckers in the comments going "just buy a bunch of outdated hardware for the same price, sure it'll be bigger, heavier, and eat more power, but FPS GO BRRRRRR". LOL, the point of these APUs is for people who don't need, or likely will never buy a dGPU, either for power, budget, space, or any number of other reasons. These chips and the ones that will come after are a boon to budget gamers that want decent AAA performance, good to great Indie performance, upgradability on a not dead platform, and the portability to unplug 2 cables and chuck it in a bag for hotel/travel gaming. Why people can't see that "just buying last gens lowest end hardware" isn't the point of these, is fucking beyond me, it's exceptionally easy to see what the intended use case is, if I wanted mid-high gaming performance I wouldn't even look at an APU, performance roughly a little better than an ROG Ally in games while still having plenty of power to do general tasks and a modern chipset for faster steam link use so I can game in my living room without hearing the jet that runs my games? Sign me the fuck up.
@@StretchDattass Yeah, part at that point if you already have a PC to use steam link with, you are probably better getting consoles like the one you mentioned. Also you exaggerate a bit with the need for cooling for an older CPU+dGPU alternative.
And I agree with you about small factor without ever getting dGPU use cases for those APUs. Just added that I looked for an upgrade for me, to get a low power CPU that would let me keep my old as fuck GPU performance. Just the price of those APUs plus how not so good they are as a "driver" for dGPU that I could buy in future kinda stopped that idea for me.
@Eversor86 I never mentioned consoles, unless you're referring to the 8700G system as a console, which it very much isnt. I also never mentioned cooling, what I mentioned was power consumption, space, noise, etc, all of which are valid points because regardless of what dGPU you put in it a CPU+GPU combo will be. Igger,heavier, amd suck more power than a 65 watt APU.
Also, if you're looking for an upgrade path that let's you keep your old gpu, the 8700G will be fine for the vast majority of older GPUs, it will drive a dGPU just fine, way better than a 12100f will with half the cores, and you'll be able to upgrade to a better APU in a year when Strix Point (zen 5 APUs) comes out and gives you 1080p mid-high gaming without the dGPU, then possibility an EVEN BETTER APU a year after that that'll probably hit 1080p high-1440p low. Zen 5 APUs are targeted 3060 performance for the Halo SKU, zen 6 will be a 15-30% uplift, then by zen 7 or 8 well have like 3080-3090 performance on these fucking things. Budget APU gaming machines are a genuine possibility now, especially if we actually get zen 5s Halo APU SKU as a socketable chip.
II think ShortCircuit is really great for these quick CPU and GPU videos. THey honestly don't need to be a long 30-40m essays.
For the price of a 8700G in the UK you can buy a new 13100F & a new RX 6600 or new 12400F + Used RX 6600.
Fair enough, but you'd have to buy a new motherboard to upgrade the cpu so I think it isn't entirely unreasonable
My point exactly. You have so many better options out there. I'd say AMD failed with this one pretty hard marketing it as an 'entry point' at 229$.
You can get better CPU + dedicated GPU deals than this APU alone. I mean, it could be a great option at 80$, maybe 100$. But 229$? That's stretching it a bit too far.
@@Al3cr0zAr10 Well, you can buy an entire laptop for 300$~ with Ryzen 5 5500U/Vega 7 or similar spec laptop with Intel APU with Iris Xe for 350$~. Sure, Vega 7 isn't that good anymore, but Iris Xe is decent even today.
And for NUCs (or NUC-type PC), you'd still have to buy RAM and storage. Besides, why would anyone other than businesses want buy a NUC? Then again, those bussinesses mostly run some specific yet very basic office / administrative applications. They won't need this much power. What's more, most of the bussinesses I've seen are running pretty old Xeons / Athlons / Phenoms bought from aliexpress with mobo integrated GPUS that are cheap as f***. Like, the entire PC would cost no more than 40-50$ and they are still reluctant to upgrade because 'if it ain't broke don't fix it'. Again, what's the point of this APU at this insane price point? That's a genuine question.
Well you can upgrade to a CPU of the same generation.@@skycubix8943
@@skycubix8943 Nope, he could buy 13400F, 13600KF etc ... if he wants to upgrade CPU.
I did the PC of Theseus thing with my 2020 build! Worked out pretty well for me I think. I started out with an R5 3400G/RX580/B450 and have upgraded piece by piece over the last nearly 4 years to now have a 5800X/6650XT/B550 buying whatever parts were best value when an upgrade was warranted. At this point the only original part is the case! Next upgrade planned is a 6800 or 6900 whenever I can find one for super cheap to move up to a higher resolution monitor (currently running 1080p 144fps).
I bought a 5600G just to be able to game and got a GPU later :) A really nice option to get a modern pc for cheaper and buy an actually good gpu when you can afford it.
I got a 7800x3D and I'm still going to get a GPU.. it can emulate select Wii and PSN titles.
I feel a little ripped to be perfectly honest.. but I'm going to grind through the series until the last compatible CPU is cheap along with a kit of 256 whatever speed ddr5
And you get more screen outputs for that financial broker style layout
@@garystinten9339 Great choice to be honest. It's the best bang for the buck for sure! Apparently even better than Ryzen 9 7950X3D which costs 1.5x more.
@@garystinten9339 That is hard, the AM5 platform is just way too expensive. AM4 is still a much better value.
@@Jimster481 waiting until the eol
Why does the audio sound really processed?
If by any chance you're using the mobile RUclips app, there's a settings option that makes the audio on a single level across the length of the video, I guess that might result in a processed sound.
@@diaabouras Yeah, sounds fine here. Tad of an echo in their room, but totally acceptable.
sound pretty bad to me as well, like the room was not treated at all, and heavy noise reduction was applied.
@@diaabouras Was not using mobile. Sounds like they were trying to compensate a bad set for sound so they applied noise reduction in post.
Sounds fine on my end it’s got to be some form of setting
The audio sounds hollow like someone used an aggressive noise filter on the whole video's voice track.
Do you have amd noise suppression on watching NFL clips on RUclips?
Linus sounds different because he lost his beard then the production and youtube sponsors paid a imitator with surgeries, like The Beatles and Paul... Or maybe he is a reptilian.
ikr I noticed it within 2 seconds of watching the video.
@@creaper3538 It took me a while. I thought I had ambient sound activated on my earphones. Usually their audio is pretty good so I was surprised.
I remember my last update at the beginning of corona.... you couldn't get graphics and this wonderful APUs safed my work and fun.
Love them since then
Wow that Camera is so sharp on the intro I love it
is this heavily edited backup audio
Being a broke amd fanboy finally paid off
Great video, short, infomative and stright to the point.
might wanna deverb that room reverb.... great video!!
Beard my beloved rest in peace
When I was in high school I built my first system (2008) with a hard $800 limit. I got a solid cpu (e6750) with a large-ish power supply but skimped with an 8600 GT, knowing I could then spend however many months saving up for a really nice card (ended up with a 9800GTX+) and complete my build. If I had access to chips like this back then it would've made a perfect upgrade path for such a strict budget without sacrificing the end build.
will also be good for extra small form factor builds
(which LTT / Jayz should do!)
Bought one of these for an office PC I'm building for a client, since it will be a small form factor PC that needs to have some graphics capability, just in case. I'm honestly excited to see what the integrated GPU can do, it's possibly a big stepping stone into the future of computer hardware.
They could make a 8-core X3D chip with much larger iGPU akin to current console APUs now that would be sick.
No mention of the 256GB max RAM support? That's a first for a desktop class CPU, right?
they should make a trx40 apu. like only 8 cpu cores(maybe even a full 7800x3d in it) and all the gpu cores that they can fit into that thing
Loving the soundtracks.
Not stated here but I recall seeing an article about how 8000G CPU's lack support for ECC memory.
It’s not entirely clear yet. In the past ECC being removed was the case with non-PRO APUs, but this might have changed. I’m going to test ECC with a regular 8700G, soon.
i feel like it's gonna be quite cool for budget mini PC 'work' desktop/educational computer. That kind of performance is definitely enough to run simple modelling task in solidworks or smth along that line. Though i feel like lately schools are going the laptop route rather than computer labs route. I still can't think of a usecase for work computer where you need a bit of GPU but not a full blown GPU though
at first glance, audio issues of the video seems to be a RUclips Artifact, on Floatplane sounds better
I would love to see a good dedicated video encoder on the CPU. I want to get away from using NVEC but sadly it's still the best if I don't want to get a dedicated card that will take up another slot in my PC.
No power and temp data? Didn't mention the STAPM issue?
Yes, it would’ve been nice if there was a full complement of PCIe lanes, but the impact is not as big as you might think. Four lanes PCIe 4.0 is still quite a bit of bandwidth. A test by PC Welt showed that with four lanes (8300G/8500G) a RTX 4090 will run at 94% of its potential, with eight lanes (8600G/8700G) 98%. That first figure may be slightly noticeable, the second one is within the margin of error.
What they need is an option in the BIOS to disable the onboard GPU to open back up those PCIe lanes (assuming that's part of the reason they have fewer), and then they have the perfect chip
i see these CPUs being used as a stepping stone to gaming, cyberpunk on low at 30fps on an apu is nuts point blank, u get a capable chip and upgradability. pcie lanes will be worrisome especially x4 is wild maybe that's like complete entry level idk.
Yeah, the lack of PCIe lanes seems to kill the point of these chips. Maybe they are for business computers that don't need discrete graphics, idk why anyone planning to upgrade in the future would get one of these with such minimal PCIe.
@@bobbygetsbanned6049It will never matter that you're running a GPU at 8X on this CPU. Only the top tier GPUs even approach kinda sorta using all x16, and you'd need a X3D CPU to fully push them.
@@blkspade23 It's true that a lot of GPUs don't need the full 16x TODAY, but it's not even remotely close to true that you need an X3d CPU to max out a GPU at 1440p or 4k. The only time the CPU even matters is at 1080 where most games are already stupid high fps. The whole best gaming CPU war is literally one of the dumbest things to ever exist, look you got 340 FPS instead of 320! Who gives a shit??
0:44 it's ok to be short Linus... We still love you 😘
The regression in the amount of PCIe lanes sucks since the 4000G and 5000G APUs finally got the same amount PCIe lanes (be it Gen3 instead of Gen4) as the Ryzen 3000 and 5000 CPUs.
Hoping for a 5700x3D overview/review sometime soon. I'm still on AM4, with a 3600, and I don't have a budget for a full platform upgrade, so that feels like it might be a really solid upgrade for me for the next few years anyway. (need a GPU upgrade soon as well...but with a totatl max budget of maybe $700-$800...I may go 5700x3D and a 7700xt or 7800xt combo)
would love to see these chips compared to their counterparts with 60/70 series cards
I think these make sense in the miniPC market. For so long that market has been kinda crippled in the GPU area. I can really see these being super useful for minipc's and ultra small Form factor builds.
There are mini pc's with a mobile gpu in them. Iirc the best you can get is one with a 6600m (roughly like a 3060 mobile). The newest ones have the 8700g cpu basically as well.
I was sold on this chip until the mention of the limited PCIe lanes. This would be great for a small NUC or Beelink type system, but if you eventually plan on adding a GPU later, the lack of lanes is kind of a deal-breaker.
I'll ask on the forms when I am able to as I'm planning a built. But do we know if the internal graphics can help with things such as video editing, photo malupiation, etc, or if it'd be better to just get a stand alone GPU.
It's going to be a budget built
Thinking of upgrading to an AM5 rig, but will wait for an 8900 or something
I think these could also make sense for very small form factor portable esports rigs.
These seem awesome to build a relativly tiny serviceable MiniPC,
with the Strix X670E-I you can even get USB4, only thing I can't find is a Mini-ITX with 10G Ethernet.
As long as I can get a motherboard with dual DP (normal or usbc) outs, I'll be happy to use one of these in my new development machine in a tiny case.
This seems a nice cpu for a super small form factor media/gaming computer. I would love to try it someday.
I like the idea that I could build a nice HTPC with the ability to run some games on the thing and make it super small. My kids and I play multiplayer games on the tv all the time and having that ability to do so for a decent price and footprint is very appealing.
As someone with a 5600G. I didnt know about the by 8 lanes to the dGPU so I got an RX6600XT as it only has 8 lanes
Love the video thanks, can't get an answer anywhere. Just want to know you tested or know if the 780m can run 2 x 4k monitors @ 60hz in hdr? (Productivity not gaming) can't get an answer from amd.
Want to do a small form factor build with just cpu if possible, given price want to know it works with dual 4k display hdr @ 60
Thanks
Just an advice, try the "Dog Town" area for Cyberunk benchmarks in the future. That should be a much better test.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the 5000 and 4000 series APUs were limited by the old vega architecture, and they would have probably done better with a more up-to-date architecture, it might be possible to test that with an equivalent GPU
These would be really nice to use in random with a GPU and not unlocking the APU ports on say a asrock live mixer B650 and have an extra 2 monitors to the setup.
Welp, I've been using the 2200G for years now. It is overclocked to limits and runs "my" games perfectly well! That includes Warframe, GTA 5, Just Cause, etc. Love to see more chips in this category :)
I would only use this in a very tiny office SFF setup. The price to performance options on the used market and even AM4 with a dedicated GPU is just too compelling.
could you get the performance benefits of having the amd gpu on the combo and then a dedicated nvidia card ?
If you're doing a 2 PC Gaming/Streaming setup, I think those 8600G/8700G would be perfect, especially if they have AV1 encoding!
I have not checked but nobody mentioned AV1 encoding for these chips. That's still a dedicated GPU feature that probably takes too much die space. Otherwise, yeah, they would kick budd!
Its a nice sff htpc/casual gaming chip! 8 years ago i was sporting an A10-7870K in similar fashion, that was nice, played a lot of World of Tanks at the time, at 1080p a mix of low medium and high settings had 60+fps, it was playable till got a gpu.
Discoverd the magic of an apu with the 3200g, i couldnt affort a lot and needed a new pc, and at the time WoW classic just came out so it was perfect for a low end build, was right before covid, and i could play a bunch of games with it, about a year after i bought a used 1070 and been rocking that ever since, and even am able to play VR games, sure maybe its not the highest quality in the world, but its been a great way to step into pc gaming again, got to beat elden ring with the added 1070 aswell in 1440p.
Great little budget system.
bruh u should upgrade ur cpu even just a ryzen 5 3600 will give you the best 1070 gaming experience (anything over this and the gpu will start bottlenecking )
@@malik-mahdi Ow i definetly will, but atm im to broke to afford anything extra, i do agree with you though.
I'm saving up for a new system and turning my 3200g into a NAS.
Thanks for the tip though, apreciate it!
bruh ur not the only broke here my ambitions are waaaaay higher than what my pocket can afford i want a 700$ gaming pc while i cant even afford a case @@Hirooshii1
I learnt it the hard way. Wanted to build my first pc and the ryzen 3 3200g looked interesting and budget friendly to go with. I should have researched more. Now I'm stuck with the igpu can't afford a good gpu lol
Please do a full gpu performance test comparing to budget gpus people are actually stuck with since the pandemic. The 750ti, the 1650(and 970) and cards in that range and power limit.
I can see this being a holy hero of office PCs. Able to drive large desktops and handle the full power of MS Excel, at a reasonable price?
You can put this in a pretty small box, affix it under the desk, and have a nice office PC experience for a reasonale sum.
It's not going to be the "expensive Xeon box" but it's going to be a hell of an office machine.
that one hexagon behind linus being rotated 60° triggers me lol
I agree with you on these APU’s.
I personally went with a B550 board (about a year and a half ago) so I could start cheap and use a hand-me-down graphics card (1060) and upgrade later when the 5800x3d or 5950x are cheaper, along with the graphics card.
-If this was available Then, I would’ve gotten an 8700G Easy. Unfortunately, I was thinking of trying to save a buck, and I already had a hand me down.
These would be great for media servers. You get a GPU that isnt pulling 100+ watts of power on top of the CPU draw.
Seems like there's a lot of audio bouncing in this video... or is it just me?
Thats nice. So waht about GPU less gaming PC build video? Could be fun...
Dear Linus, please add some kind of Transcoding payload in the benchmarks. Would appreciate it!
Seeing that CP77 cop in low makes me wonder how LQ looking you can go with the in-game settings. Goldeneye N64 low?
There should be a realtime rendering benchmark basically a mini game that's meant to throw every advanced lighting technique like path tracing at the wall.
These are super cool but personally I think it would make a lot of sense to have the radeon 780M in an entry level CPU as well because that would be a really nice balanced combo for gaming
But can you forward those iGPUs into VM running in UNRAID?
Small form factor build 🤩
Seriously considering the AMD Ryzen 7 8700G paired with a B650 Mobo and 32gb DDR5. Most likely enough for occasional gaming and potential for upgrades in the future.
Small error. Graphic showed the 8600g at 100mhz faster base clock than the 8700g, which is correct, but Linus says the opposite.
Im trying to build my 1st pc and im kind of a budget should I go for the 8700 and add gpu down the road or go a little bit back and get a cpu gpu combo?
Hopefully we get to see them in mini pc builds.
I have the 5700G and that o-board gfx was about equivalent of my then-5+-year-old GTX970. Wasn't too bad. This looks better.
I am mostly sure the pcie lane limit is cause of the zenc cores and lower amount of cores in general....
I would love to see how that x4 link actually impacts gaming on a modern gpu, how much PCI-e bandwidth are we actually using when gaming these days?
The 6500xt is a prime example of this: the 8gb is on par with a 5500xt 4gb gb using pcie4x4 and a complete deadweight using pcie 3
The problem with assessing the impact is the fact that PCIe bandwidth requirements can vary greatly between games and applications. Personally I wouldn't even bother with pairing a decent discrete GPU on a CPU with only 4 lanes of PCIe bandwidth because any discrete GPU worth pairing them with is likely going to run into bandwidth limitations. Even the 8 lanes can cause issues with GPUs as powerful as the RTX 3080 or better but, again, it highly depends on your games and/or applications.
The problem with assessing the impact is the fact that PCIe bandwidth requirements can vary greatly between games and applications. Personally I wouldn't even bother with pairing a decent discrete GPU on a CPU with only 4 lanes of PCIe bandwidth because any discrete GPU worth pairing them with is likely going to run into bandwidth limitations. Even the 8 lanes can cause issues with GPUs as powerful as the RTX 3080 or better but, again, it highly depends on your games and/or applications.
I would love to see you guys slap a rtx 4090 to one of these chips and see how much performance leaves on the table if someone decides to upgrade after few years.
Talking about "PC of Theseus", I name my computers, and usually give it a new name when it gets all of its core components replaced. CPU, Motherboard, Graphics, maybe case.
I'll bring components forward from an old build frequently, such as RAM, PSUs, drives, and sometimes cases as I'm able depending on what the new system calls for.
My last rig "Ninetales" bucked this trend by going through some experimentation and went through a full rebuild while retaining the name.
Though I ended up keeping the original CPU with a different motherboard, and the original motherboard went on to go into another system.
The igpu on the 8700G with fast rams goes like a 5500xt, not bad at all
That PCIe 8x/4x limitation is a total killer.
Well as a budget gamer i love the fact AMD is continuing development on these hybrid chips. My 5600G has served well for a longtime considering i mainly play emulators
I'd like to see a comparison with micro computers that use internal GPU's vs micro computer with (external) mobile GPU's. I like that newer micro's have better iGPU's but always need to consider future gaming.