Talk Is Jericho: The Fall Of Vince McMahon
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2022
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Dave Meltzer from the Wrestling Observer Newsletter returns to discuss the circumstances around the shocking retirement of Vince McMahon from the WWE. He details how he found out about the allegations about Vince, how the story was leaked to the press, and what may have forced Vince to leave after he said he wasn’t going anywhere. Dave talks about Stephanie McMahon and Triple H leading the company and how Stephanie and Nick Khan may handle their new co-CEO situation. He speculates on the creative and cultural changes at WWE, how much of a hand Vince will have in creative from the sidelines, what kind of impact this will have on AEW and the industry at large, and what the future may hold for WWE, including a possible sale. 
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I think WWE knew about Vince, then they had Stephanie leave so she wouldn’t be mixed up in Vince mess
I was thinking the same thing. I think the negative stuff came because Vince didn't want to give up his power.
100%
Why would you leave the company, and your alibi is to "spend time with your family" .. And now that you got the highest position in the company, suddenly your "spending time with your family" doesn't matter anymore??? 🤣😂
Don't fool us with your PR strategies wwe.
This makes literally no sense. How would she get mixed up in Vince's s#$t?? You guys are really reaching for anything at this point.
I thinkmshe left to deal with the family issue side of this crap. Vince paying off whores is really going to have some heavy tones coming down the road.
Or maybe she wanted to be with her family.
It's funny that the way Vince left/retired is kinda what i expected and very Vince like after all these years, angles, reports. If there was not dig up and scandal, Vince just decided to step down that would have been truly anti climactic. Vince left in true Vince fashion
In a cowardice sex offender fashion, yes.
He was forced to retire, for being a offender
@@kingwinter2024 How is he a sex offender when these women consented?
@@kingwinter2024 How is what he did make him a sex offender in any fucking way shape or form? He had relations with a consenting adult dipshit. The fact that he paid them to keep quiet and sign a NDA is not a sec crime
@@saurelius5217 power imbalance. He was their boss and had sexual relationships with them that he coerced.
Dark Side of The Ring: The Fall of Vince McMahon
The key takeaway here is to never talk shit about anyone, publicly or privately; always maintain a tone of professionalism and respect, even if you vehemently disagree with someone. Because you never know when you may be called upon to defend your opinion of someone or something and it is to your benefit to have already framed your argument in a respectful manner in your head instead of trying to figure out how to polish the turd that is, "Man, that guy's a stupid prick," on the fly.
No the main thing to take away from this is don't be a dumbass and payoff whores and ruin your career....Vince.
Good advice
that means, 'don't burn bridges.' Basic rule in life. It's not worth it and might come back to bite you. (unless of course if you are Jon Moxley - he really needed to get it off his chest when he left WWE)
@@ourladyofguadalupebotanica6732 - "Don't burn bridges" is also very good advice, but my point is really about teaching yourself not to piss and moan, even privately. No one likes a whiner and even if you're absolutely in the right, there are far more constructive ways to make your point than either talking trash behind someone's back or getting angry when defending your point-of-view. Always think of things from the perspective that you're going to be called on at some point to defend your view.
So as Lemmy says in HHH'S theme, "It's all about the game, and how you play it?"
He did not sleep with that intern. As a matter of fact, he was Up. All. Night.
And how would you know? Did you have front row seats?
@@spokenwordillusions5756 I have front row seats to make you wear a dress 👗 when I make you into my woman
@@spokenwordillusions5756 it flew over ur head buddy
@@belhinaniabdelkhalek6481 YOU GOT ME HA HA
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For a second I thought Chris was somehow able to get Vince McMahon to appear on his podcast lol
Why are we so surprised he did all this? He played his character so well it blended into his real life
He never really played any Character. He was just being himself
Aparrently the character is him toned down
Because people still believe all of wrestling is real.
Still hard to believe Vince is gone from running WWE, Triple H has done a amazing job in the few weeks he’s had control, the future of WWE is bright 👏👏👏
Bye bye old man
Triple H has done amazing job? Mark
@@readthiscomment17 man stay quiet mark!!!
Amazing job... 🤣
@@shoWbitz stay quiet weirdo
I’m pretty sure she was in the plan to be ceo for a long time, probably years, and her stepping away was just a ploy to make her not seem like she was supporting Vince her dad, until he stepped down. Vince and steph, etc, knew Vince’s misconduct was about to come to light to the public. So she stepped down before it was even news. And now she’s back now that it seems Vince is out of the picture for wwe for good. She was just buying some time to create distance. Shane probably got let go because Vince knew his time was coming up soon, and he trusts steph and triple h to run things more than Shane himself. Ploys ploys ploys
Same with Paul losing his position last year before his heart issues.
@@americansmark i think that had more to do with his near death experience
Shane doesn't want it. That's why he stepped away for years.
U knw tht makes more sense if she set him up.
@@ervinervo2434 I think theres a possibility that she and Triple H set Vince Up. I don't mean she planted planted some false evidence against Vince McMahon, I think Stephanie and Triple H have been wanting to take up the reigns of the company for a long while. Its just 2020 and 2021 were terrible years for WWE in terms of lost talent and the emergence of AEW. Triple H likely was upset and angry about Vince releasing NXT talent that Triple H worked close with to establish and was likely angry with being demoted and removed from that position of creative control of NXT.
However I feel Triple H and Stephanie were under the impression that all they need to do is bide their time for a few years until Vince ether dies or retires. However last year when Triple H almost died of a heart attack, I think that instilled the idea that he can't afford to wait another year for Vince to leave his position. When Shane McMahon did the disastrous creative decisions on the Royal Rumble in which he was later was released by WWE, I think Triple H and Stephanie began planning ways to try to get Vince to step down as Shane is no longer an obstacle and Triple H couldn't wait more years for Vince to die.
So Stephanie looks for potential dirt to be exposed and finds company money being used for hush money for an affair, she indirectly has the Whistle Blower notified that they should come out. Stephanie makes an agreement with Nick Khan and Triple H in the process of taking control of the company. That in exchange for going along with the plan, Nick Khan will receive a promotion to a CEO Position, Stephanie herself will become Co CEO and Chairwoman and Triple H will get the creative side of the business.
So the wheels start turning in April, and Stephanie steps down from her position from WWE because she knows of the impending bombshell is about to drop on Vince; and how she would step down deliberately in a time to disassociate herself from Vince. Eventually the scandal became more known and Vince himself stepped down and Stephanie comes back and is granted the position she wants along with Nick Khan and Triple H.
Imagine getting people to chant "Thank you Dad" after he's caught for cheating on your Mom for the billionth time
Whatever happens between her mom & dad that is not her business.
@@secrets.295 It's called family business for a reason, and besides it is LITERALLY her business now as a result of his infidelity and how he went about commiting it
It is her business, that hurts so badly. It can ruin her heart, I know from seeing it in my family.
Imagine not thanking the reason she’s a CEO and filled with millions of dollars.
@@ITSHIM1294 I didn't know she was a cash pinata
There are certainly staunch Vince McMahon loyalists in his company that would look the other way whenever they heard the rumors. Now that Vince is gone, Steph and HHH are gonna need to see who will stand by Vince and who is gonna move on from him.
funny that Jericho is still in some way a Vince loyalist too lol
Hey Chris remember when you said nothing bad would happen to Vince. Good times right.
Hard to believe nothing ever did
He's not going to read your comment, and in the small chance he does he won't reply. You're just talking for the sake of talking 😂. You do know it was his opinion and prediction right? It's not the gotcha you seem to think it is lol
To be fair to Chris, only one allegation had come to light when he spoke on the Geordie podcast. Lots of shit has come up since then.
@@nachiketdaithankar4405 exactly. People are allowed to change their opinions if new information is made available.
@@franklingoodwin whooosh
This is going to be a an amazing episode of Talk is Jericho.
I listened to the full podcast. Dave is the king of saying you know, well everybody believes that, but it's a huge unanswered question, I mean, you know, so yeah, it's not confirmed, but who knows?
WHAT
There’s been guys paralyzed, killed, and committed suicide during him being head of WWE, and that doesn’t make him leave.
His affairs are exposed and NOW he runs away.
That’s absolutely crazy.
Simple, the Internet age makes it all a lot more widespread and more things get leaked faster
There have been guys paralyzed, killed, and committed suicide in our law enforcement. Better lock up the DAs.
That's what happens when you make your company public and let share holders in.
With the paralyzed, killed, and suicides, it could never be shown that Vince was the one that paralyzed them, or killed them, or caused them to commit suicide. Take Benoit, no sane person can say "Vince McMahon did it!". But his embezzlement of company funds with NDA's, that leads directly to Vince.
@@robertcornelius3514 WTF are you talking about?
Since this is a Chris Jericho video, I read the title as Vance McMahon
Decided to tune in to a full SD for the first time since before 2020 . Honestly seemed like more of the same UNTIL that ending which definitely had more of the NXT 1.0 feel that HHH is known for.
changes wont happen over night I guarantee they are all in the works
Pretty dope. It wasn't a huge reveal, like this big, grandiose thing. He just straight up jumped Drew! Really neat to see something fresh. And I'm an AEW guy! Happy to see some good changes in that company, and I'm happy for Kross and Scarlett.
@@GrimmHollywood Why they jumped Drew? For what reason?
@@teasellermodi5897 Next feud, while also building Kross up
I was a big wrestling fan from 80-18, but don’t watch much anymore. My kid has grown up and we just respectfully moved on. I’ll say this, Y2J is best GOAT on the mic and a damn good wrestler. Freaking “The List” schtick was stuff of legend
You witnessed wrestling at highest peak my friend 👍. Specifically in 90s till 2008
I was shocked to hear that they were burying Stephanie and then her becoming the Ceo was such an amazing turn of events
Jericho truly Breaking the Walls down!
Hello, What happened to all your podcast videos ?
Plan on listening to this episode of Talk Is Jericho soon, but was surprised to hear that Vince McMahon is retired now
It happened a month ago
"For now".
@@far22186 I know
@@balancer182 if he's found not guilty in the pending investigations (plural), he might return. Just a question of how.
But if he was innocent, would he have resigned?
The findings will rock the company, one way or another.
Should upload a full episode of talk is Jericho, also you should have icp back on
We all know Steph took time off to be with Paul because he almost died and was in his recovery process. Now with Vince he did what was best for business! Steph is Jeanie Buss and WWE is doing better than many expected.
Steph stepped down because Vince told her to take a vacation since she won’t get one again I’d imagine.
Jericho is the ultimate opportunist. Always keeps all of his options open.
Nah mate that’s edge. Wrong blonde Canadian
@@SpaceGhost92 Maybe edge is doing a double role.
They knew what was coming. So they sent Steph home on standby, filled her position, and then she jumped back in to replace Vince. If the scandal happenned first, and then Steph went up, it would have been much harder to replace Steph's position then with all the bad press. They played it well.
Was dying to hear his take on it after claiming he was untouchable 😂👌🏻
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Vince and the Mcmahon knew that the story was going to come out months before. I think Stephine left then to get a break before the story broke. And then with her leaving with a plan disgruntled it makes her look good when she cameback and looking like she is not covering for Vince.
Chris, i just hope both AEW & WWE always keep momentum, maintain the storyline & get the highest viewers & ratings every week.
Yeah, F the wars and company vs company nonsense. Let's have us some good pro-wrestling
@@vladimirchernikov4249 right? I'm tired of this war seriously.
@@vladimirchernikov4249 pro-wrestling is dead...it's a high spot fest now.
@@dr.loomis4221 you know, people who complain about high spots are just upset that the current wrestlers are actually athletic.
Welcome to talk is Jericho!!!!
I’m guessing she left because she found out about Vince and said make a choice, seems they chose her
I’m pretty sure she was in the plan to be ceo for a long time, probably years, and her stepping away was just a ploy to make her not seem like she was supporting Vince her dad, until he stepped down. Vince and steph, etc, knew Vince’s misconduct was about to come to light to the public. So she stepped down before it was even news. And now she’s back now that it seems Vince is out of the picture for wwe for good. She was just buying some time to create distance. Shane probably got let go because Vince knew his time was coming up soon, and he trusts steph and triple h to run things more than Shane himself. Ploys ploys ploys
@@mylusernameslJustin forgot about Shane, wonder if he will be next
wasnt hunter supposedly gonna pull back cause of his heart? and now they throw him at the forefront of everything. hows it gonna go with his heart?
That was only for in ring stuff backstage stuff he can do
@@someone0 you think those Jobs are not stressful and stress can cause heart problems
He was also said to be getting a divorce from Stephanie McMahon don't infidelity.
But I guess it's best for business. Just like Vince McMahon relationship with Linda McMahon... People forget Nick Khan had previously taken HHH's spot.
Dude if triple H himself said he feels great and feels like he can take it on ya'll need to quite bitching ya'll ain't even related to the dude the guy is almost 50 years old he knows what he can && can't do he's not acting like Ric Flair who is out here tryna die in the ring. Paul looks amazing feel amazing as he said with Logan let it go ya'll always tryna find a way to shit on WWE take a L for once
I've said this all along. Regardless if you love WWE or not, it's a little unsettling to know Triple H's heart isn't 100 percent, and now he's dealing with the stress of 2 jobs, and not to mention being back on the road. For his sake I hope he not only recovers but turns things around for WWE.
Really sucks that this is how Vince’s career comes to an end. Like him or not you can’t deny that he’s had a massive impact on American and worldwide television over the last 40 years and took pro wrestling to heights no one ever imagined. I will say I’m amazed at his level of stupidity in using shareholder money to pay these women off lol. Thought he was smarter than that!
He didn't believe he would get caught with his pants down.
Vince: How else was anyone gonna kiss my ass?
Every great conqueror had a bad ending...
@@babystephena3773 how did Genghis meet his?
It didn't go that bad for Nebuchadnezzar
Eh. He did, but that was 25 years ago. Its been downhill since after ruthless aggression.
The people you meet on the way up are the same ones you meet on the way down. That thought has always reminded me of how to treat the people I work for/with and those that worked for me.
Might as well just have a fan on and let them speculate if you're going to put Meltzer on
It's hilarious that people still care what Dave Meltzer says.
It's the better thing that could happen for WWE
Translation: Meltzer knows nothing.
And everything
WRONG…Dave Meltzer KNOWS floor-routine gymnastics and small men = AEW
@@leeedwards9068 Says the dumb mark that watches WWE that's doing the same thing. You E-drones never fail looking like hypocrites.
@@leeedwards9068 lousy smarks like you love meltzer
@@leeedwards9068 this comment gets five stars.
So basically jericho knows it was Stephanie and hhh that took vince down
Dutch mantell had it right in his video nick kahn was the one who was sent in there to take him down
I cannot wait for a biopic of Vincent Kennedy McMahon 🤘
4/25/23
Vince McMahon fell a long time ago. It just caught up with him.
Get him on yout show, could you?
Can't wait for the fall of Jericho video to go up.
there will be no fall of Jericho you schmuck
@@greggoldman1116 Joined 1 week ago...yeah not sus at all.
Listened to the whole episode. Anyone have a clue who’re the female wrestlers they’re talking about based on the timeline of the complaint?
Does it matter?
Chris Jericho is better than All and is the legend. He's deserved to be become WWE Universal Champion.
He's with a different company.
Hi. My opinion is when vince step down totally the best is to stephany and paul to work as a team to a new fresh ideas and better stories and end the vince mcmahon era for good and the companie it will rise from the ashes.
The people talking shit about Steph and Hunter might need to start to look for a job elsewhere. For everyone else this is a positive because Steph is more profesional in the business side and Hunter NWA like booking means that any wrestler who takes the business seriously will florish.
If Bruce prichard and Kevin Dunn have issues with these two controlling wwe then they should pack their bags and get lost.
Nick Khan is CO-CEO with Stephanie. You people seem to forget that. Vince McMahon is going to sell. Triple H and Stephanie are merely puppets. Nick Khan is the guy to look at.
@@christophermarriott1681 sell what wwe?
@@christophermarriott1681 you can stop kissing Vince's ass now.
People have been talking shit about HHH and SMH for 20+ years. Fans and ex talent.
Vince mad so many stars and hero’s he’s never gone fall.
You wonder if HHH and Steph leaked some things to force Vince out..
Nah. That kind of thinking will only keep you down with worms.
bingo.
stephany , above all.
@@monsieurdubitatif8567 nope, it was Nick Khan.
@@spokenwordillusions5756 ... and to what end?🙄
To find the culprint, you have to find the one who profit the most: stephany, that just, well well, got her place and trip' s back. Astute observers will note that shane has been ousted... familly fight for control of the company, an old classic.
@@monsieurdubitatif8567 who was the one who was given the CBO when Stephanie had stepped down?
And who was made the permanent CEO?
By your logic, Stephanie should be the Undisputed CEO,
but she's not.
Sports Entertainment is becoming a Game of Thrones, with Khans seated on those thrones.
And what happens if Tony Khan buys the WWE?
What a headliner..
Now maybe the few black guys in the company don't always have to be in a faction together and feud with other black factions. That shit is so
tired.
Maybe a few of them might win more World Title belts too 😂
@@omgaidebig4121 *brock lesnars music hits*
this is why i believed steph was the insider feeding the wall street journal info. vince blamed HHH for nxt's failure (not his idea to move to wednesday nights), said steph was bad at her job as brand ambassador, and cut shane. steph stabbed him in his back because he kept burying his own family.
the "thank you vince" on smackdown was a proverbial "fuck you" from her.
This aged well
I thank Vince McMahon for introducing me to the world of professional wrestling/ sports entertainment. But after the Benoit incident, Vince McMahon slowly losing his touch on how to give the WWE superstars and universe what they want. It's about time he retires.
It started with the fall of Owen Hart.
@@spokenwordillusions5756 and up to this day, it (the tragic death of Owen James Hart) haunts Vincent Kennedy MacMahon.
I think I heard this in a movie? I believe it was by Michael Jai White in a movie with Steven seagal. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he doesn't exist. That statement can be true throughout the world and in this particular situation.
Exit Wounds
Those divas im sure include cristy hemme, maria, candice definitely, torrie wilson, nd ……….
I am not surprised by any of this. Sex, Lies and Headlocks was released in 2002.
As a majority owner, Vince isn't really gone.
Don't worry, that will be accounted for.
Oh this is a meltzer video pass
No one cares, anyway.
His own lifestyle took him down
How many years has this been coming
no proof on anything as of yet. Don't be one of them
Dave's voice is so higher and faster paced here compared to Observer Live. He's so happy to be talking to one of his AEW heroes
You’re being sarcastic, right?
@@djac13 well listen to this clip and then go to his RUclips and listen to the latest video
Stephanie should have no say so in anything Important
You should not live.
Yet you do.
Vince "Cult of Personality " Wrestling world
Why is Shane gone ?
I can only imagine the shit storm of stories that the mcmahon family will have to deal with once he dies.
For some reason i wonder if Nick Khan his not behind all that
The main event on AEW last night was the best I've seen on TV in a long time. Too bad the better man didn't win.
Let me just make this statement Dave Meltzer doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. He's consistently wrong about everything. Just ask Jeff Jarrett or Eric Bishoff. I can't believe y2j had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to get a guest on.
Thee hee hehe this video lenght... Blaze it up.
What if the whole thing was a work. Vince just wanted to retire, and they made the whole scandal up just to get a bunch of attention as he leaves without hurting the business. 🤣🤣
Nah if it came out that this was a work, it'd cripple the company. Woke warriors and all that.
If WWE goes TV 14 then AEW might have hard time competing with WWE, bcoz Vince gone then trip nad Steph can make WWE more entertaining but I Love AEW though
Would make their fan base massive hypocrites....and why does the existence of AEW trigger you guys so much??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@daisybelle1025 he just said he love aew he didn’t even say anything bad about aew
@@daisybelle1025 Why mark, would it make their fanbase hypocrites? You're acting like most WWE fans want it to be PG which they don't
They are already having a hard time competing
Triggered old boys already 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Meltzer reeks of a guy making it up as he goes.
vince isnt retiring, he still is calling the shots from the shadows
He isn't, triple h rehired someone he fired and someone who he saw no future in and placed him in the main event scene in his first night back. Triple h is definitely running everything.
@@josiahh8158 i talked to vince this morning
I highly doubt Vince will come back to WWE.
Hes going to AEW.
Fall? He cashed out hugely. Soon as he “stepped down” the stocks went up. Who profited from that? If Vince had wanted to stay on, he would have. He beat the steroids scandal, the Chris Benoit situation, WCW, etc. Some silly affair is nothing. This is a work people.
Not everything is a work
vincel detected.
Quit lying to yourself, none of us believe you.
I really appreciate Chris talking about this subject but man… dude is probably burning bridges with WWE by doing so 🙁
Nah
Well vice hold on to his gimmic and character still and unlike you he don't need to reinvent himself as his character is as strong as of Austin Rock Hitman Shawn Cena and other as you stated a trend which is known as the art of making a character not fit for the long run Y2Jackass
Karma is 💯 real
lol she left to because running wwe was going to be a 24/7 job..Vince said go get your break while you can. vince isnt stupid he was setting up the switch to enure the stock didnt tank. not hard concepts.
Y'all really believe Vince isn't still running the show from behind closes doors?? Stephanie and HHH are still gonna do what he tells them until he dies
who is talking to jericho here? Meltzer?
WWE is getting hot without Vince summer slam was great raw good smackdown good there not missing Vince raw ratings great
Man Utd Getting Laughed at Even in the Wrestling World 😂😭😈
No way would she be able to step in if she was around when it all went down so obviously she was let go and new the reason why and as soon as dirt was dug up Vince left she returned as planned!!
What happened to Vince McMahon's son,shane?
Meltzer crazy
Not one ummmmmm or hmmmm from meltzer dam
Vince = good old boy. He'd be a good president.
Man..he left the business long ago..he is nearing death..he was a great success during his heydays..title is misleading
Dave loves his aew pet lol
Chris, tell vice to bring back dark side of the ring pls 🤧
HHH going to make it better
By catering to casuals that never cared about his vision on NXT? Good luck with that.
What CM Punk wanted in 2011
Vince will be back. Im sorry i find it so hard to believe that Vince McMahon has no vote/final word in anything. This is his dad’s company.
WWE has shareholders and investors now, he isn't all mighty as he was in the past
In what capacity will he return? Definitely not as chairman and CEO.
@@spokenwordillusions5756 as a Hall of Famer, maybe make an Alumni appearance.
@@spokenwordillusions5756 i can’t fathom Vince Doesn’t tell Stephanie what he thinks/should happen.
@@justinhill2058 that's like saying you and your father are exactly alike; you're two completely different ppl, and you think differently.
No different with any other father child.
Vince will remain ever in wwe
ok can i ask you this lets think on this Vince is almost 80 he would have died running the show what if he started forgetting this bad but refused to notice it and was going to kill the show so steff walked out with H and said fine kill it vince im done then it got wores day by day to the point that some girls walked out and then told the cops who he is backed by his kids and his wife to force him out so they can save it how would you do itbesides making a fue girls his enemies and alowing the kids to take over BUT ill say this will he try to get back in yes but will they let him no never
Speculation
Vince should of sold WWE back in the early 2000's. Now if he sold it no one would give him much cause rhe company is complete Garbage.