Mick Foley on Shawn Michaels losing his smile | Foley is POD
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- This week's episode is all about WrestleMania 13 and Mick's first WrestleMania match - as Mankind and Vader challenge Owen Hart and Davey Boy Smith for the Tag Team Championships. Mick and Conrad unpack everything surrounding that WrestleMania including Vader's struggles in WWF, Marc Mero, and the show-stealing I Quit match between Bret Hart and Stone Cold.
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There'll be times when Mick talks where you think this point isn't going anywhere, but here it shows he's thinking in a beautifully crafted layered way.
That's what adults do.
The fact that Foley remembers anything past 5 seconds ago is amazing
Haha Yes!
Man when he took that header off the cage with undertaker 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Haha. Good one. 👍
Well yeah I am happy hes just a upbeat papa. Hes earned his place as top3 hardcore ever. Now relax be with family dood.
Yeah, with those shots to the head, it's the short term stuff that fails you.
I'm glad he brought up the mental health issue. When your burnt out any minor aches and pains can become major. I was at work one night working overnights. I worked 12 hour nights. This one night I was ready to snap. I was exhausted, depressed, and my shoulder had a nagging pain. I decided to go home that night. I told the boss my shoulder was hurting and needed to go. He wasn't happy, and called me a pussy and what not, in a professional way, lol. He was old school. You don't go home over a few sniffles which is a good way to be. A few months went by, maybe weeks, not sure of the time frame, but me and the boss were on break and started talking. Somehow that night I left got brought up. Not sure who brought it up but it was. I told him the reason I left that night was cuz I was depressed and the shoulder was the icing on the cake. When I said that his tone changed. He asked why didn't you say that and took it serious. I said I wasn't comfortable sharing my problems at that moment. He had a new respect for me after that in which I was surprised about. When it came to mental health, he understood and showed some empathy and said that is a different story than a nagging shoulder pain.
IMO supervisor did that bc you didnt report him
As someone that suffered both a sore shoulder can be debilitating. Esp3ciay when it is a chronic injury
Has the sane thing, mental, depression, 12 hours 240 a month, stress, headache, shoulder hurts...next thing was i had a major stroke with 36i will never recover from.
@@EAchank LOOOOOOOLLLLLSSSS
I had a similar night at work, my corporal sent me home less than 2 hours into the shift… I can nvr thank him enough
This honestly gives some good perspective on Shawn in those days. And Mick has been a main event wrestler so he knows what responsibility comes with that spot.
I regained my smile watching this. Hopefully HBK's "knee" is fine now and that he can smile. Have a nice day. 👍
This podcast is awesome. It's my favorite out of all the Conrad podcasts.
Mick is the greatest storyteller!
So are you
Both he and Kevin Nash are
Cactus Jack!!!
@@txmetalhead82xk Bang Bang
True. Terrible stand up act though lol
man wrestling needs so many more mick foleys...hell the world needs more mick foleys
I was at WM 12… I love listening to mick foley and the others discuss these times!
How was the vibe in the crowd?
Same I'm glad Kevin Nash has a podcast now. The stories have been great
“This is the one I wanted to turn into a Final Five.”
Lmao. Mick Foley is genuinely one of the most charismatic guys in wrestling history. He can be so hilarious with such a simple comment.
I had the pleasure of meeting him when I was younger at a signing and he is one of the nicest people I ever had the opportunity to meet from the professional wrestling world. Despite the long line he took a few extra moments to talk to me and my little brother and even hit us with the "have a nice day". Eugene was also just an absolutely great human being and he got handed the shittiest gimmick. My best friend met him at a random signing at a mall in our area and we talked to him for like an hour and a half.
I dont know how i stumbled onto this and I am only vaguely aware of who Mick Foley is through the cultural osmosis of the WWE, but man is a wonderfully spoken, insightful person. I'm going through every video where he speaks. He would be a wonderful counselor.
Mick is a genuine person.
That spray painted on hair isn't tho...
The only redeeming about ALL of "bad" Shawn is... Shawn now owns all of it.
Honestly everyone paints Shawn as a drug addled, ego maniac but with the vices available and the stress of having hundreds of people's jobs on your back it's not so easy to keep a level head; especially in an era when mental health was mocked and ridiculed.
Bret did it.
@PiCheZvara Bret was one of the most professional wrestlers ever. Raised in a family of wrestlers who kept him grounded. Shawn came from a totally different background. He was rejected in his early years and told he would never make it in the business for being too small. Look at the bigger picture or do some research before making dumb comments like this.
a lot of other people did it he was a drug addict and fucked up a lot of peoples lives with his stupid games
I love hearing foleys stories
I could listen to Mick Foley talk all day.
"The Dude lost his smile JR!"-
"Lost his smile... Stop that."
J.R can relate. He lost his smile too. At least half of it. P.S. its just a joke, I love J.R. but an opportunity presented itself
@@magilla2282
Boo this man ☝️
@@magilla2282 Congratulations dude, you got booed by a fellow RUclipsr. You are a "heel" and you got heat. Good job. And to tell you the truth, I thought it wasn't a bad joke...but then I have a very dark sense of humor, so...and you did get 7 thumbs up!
Foley is a class act ..
Him and Funk are my favorites.
How insightful.
And Foley pretty much says what I, as just beeing a fan and observing, says for so many years. Actors and even dancers have more in common wit wrestlers of what most people might think. Wrestling is acting meets sport. Even if some fans and even some wrestlers might disagree with that opinion.
Good interview
Shawn realized the plan was for him to drop the title back to Bret at Mania was like “hell nah I’m out”. But we did end up with Bret/Austin so it did work out.
Realized? He knew the deal. He was just beat up and also couldn’t accept giving back at that time
Very true but it angered me that they put on a 5 star match which in my opinion is the greatest Wm match of all time. With that match it just proves again how amazing Bret is and how he just made Vince his next guy. Truth is Bret never got full credit of what he did. Shawn got away with everything and Bret had to warn everything. People say Bret should have done the honours but they never talk about how Shawn never did the honours willingly.
@@Sayed36870 Shawn had now really turned into Vince's long dream "next Hulk Hogan".. but only absorbed all the bad stuff, humongous ego and all..
Shawn in 97 was Hulk Hogan in 93 revisited..
@@Sayed36870 FACTS 💯
Shawn?
everyone keeps thinking bret was the reason, it might actually have been sid as well, from what bruce prichard has said, shawn was supposed to drop the belt to sid for a second time on that thursday, then sid drops it to bret on another raw and its bret vs shawn at wrestlemania, perhaps hbk didnt want to lose the title to sid two times in a row like bret lost to sid 3 times in a row.
Nope. It was Bret and HBK's hurt "knee" and lost of a smile. 😕
Great story. But im curious to find out what prank bret played on vader that caused him to get injured
I read that Owen Hart pushed a waiter and caused his tray of drinks to spill all over Vader at The Slammy Awards, and that Vader hurt himself trying to chase after Owen.
It's on RUclips
@@northbykenwest Funny how Owen, at Wrestlemania 11 he and Yokozuna were allies and at 12, bitter enemies, and at 12 it repeated with him and Vader being allies and at WM13, they were enemies...
His momma told Shawn he lost his smile. Good Shawn Bad Shawn. All I ever saw was Bad Shawn.
Good Shawn was a reference to the second half of his career
As selfish as it was, it led to Austin vs bret, so , it worked out well
Amazing how his “mental health” issues went away as soon as he didn’t have to lose to Bret…. But that did lead to Austin vs Bret at WM13 one of the greatest matches in history
I agree but medication can get things under control, and in an ironic twist. Antidepressants of the 90s, are now being used as muscle relaxers in 2010s and 20s so he could easily be getting treated for mental health and also having his body recovered at the same time which would accelerate his mental recovery. But I don’t know him so I can’t say.
If you look at all the dominos, Bret pushing Vince on his ass, Austin really coming into his own, Sid and Undertaker, all the pieces were there for the Attitude Era to kick-off. You gotta wonder had Shawn done the right thing how history would have been altered.
a lot of WWF's success in the war I think wasn't planned at all. the way how it organically came together increased its impact. it's a period in time that can never be duplicated. 1997 was a very underrated year for the company. Bret's heel run and all the other factors were what engineered their dominance for 3-5 years. they set the bar so high though it just can't be matched ever again.
and years later Shawn surpassed Bret as having the greatest Wrestlemania match of all time with Taker at the 25th anniversary. HBK always wins!
@@spybrats8009 Bret/Austin WM13 was from a more pure era and I enjoyed the realism of that match lol. and give credit to Undertaker, he did some high flying psychotic stuff in those matches with HBK too. we'll never have an array of wrestlers like that ever again. sucks.
Pretty sure he didn't want to lose to Bret at wrestlemenia 13.
In 2022 the Slammys would be more prestigious than the Grammys.
great story teller
He's really well spoken
Hbk started the attitude era
🤣🤣🤣😅😅
I like micks stories of other wrestlers. He is interesting to hear. Mick is God.
God it's weird seeing Mick without the "Mic Mop" with short hair. And why is it so smooth and shiny? It looks like a seal's fur after it just got out of the ocean.
foley looks so much better this way though
Pomegrade
You touch my soul.
I am where I told everyone-including myself- I wanted to be. I have some pop from savvy crowds, sometimes a fellow performer sings one of my songs, local super talents know who I am . . . sort of. I am confident enough to promote them, too, without prompting or personal advantage. They deserve it.
I'm not trying to get at the trough and that lack of competitive spirit works for me. Heck-some worthy folks inside the business grok me. I'm fortunate to have the freedom.
I feel this all as an unmitigated blessing . . . at least until my health crashes. Or I treat someone wrong and the bridge to paradise collapses. It's made out of moonbeams and gossamer. Gotta be careful with it.
If 'you get what you paid for" out of life, then I must've paid an awful lot. Considering how boneheaded I've been to some important others, I must've paid wayyy more than I thought.
But I don't feel joy every moment. The human condition assures I will have highs and lows, even in the midst of artistic relevance. I still rant, and rage, and sometimes gush at my own stuff . . . well, most times, tbh. But I would not trade this beautiful, sometimes boring, sometimes irritating, perfection for all the world.
Maaaan.... I miss Kayfabe.
Well said ☯️ And I was an interesting story about the dancer comparing it to wrestling
The day before the PPV they’re talking about, they had a final 4 match at a house show in St. Paul that Undertaker won.
"Bad Shawn" 🤣
Foley found Shawn's smile and made sure it couldn't get away again by tying it up with barbed-wire
What was the Bret hart prank?
Let’s play the worlds smallest violin for HBK. The bottom line is that the dude didn’t want to drop the strap to anyone and couldn’t get why he wasn’t a draw. Yes he was a great match…..no, he wasn’t a believable badass. He’d have been Syxx part 2 if he went to WCW….and in all honesty, it should have been Bret who dropped the title to Austin at Mania 14 because they had an actual rivalry that had heat to it…..yet Vince had his mouth attached to Shawn’s balls for no good reason.
Bret Dropping the strap at 14 would have been a better match too, him and Austin had one of the best rivalries EVER!
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I disagree with you. Shawn and Bret had the best rivalry because you know they really hated each other.
I think it was Pat Patterson who had shawn's balls Pat was the chinball wizard.
@K-orpse Shawn was a pill head, self-centered, douche bag. It’s been well documented by many in the business…hell, Shawn has even admitted it….and most of all, he wasn’t a reliable Champ 🤷🏻♂️
Always chase the dragon! You will probably never catch it but the coyote never caught the roadrunner.... still gotta chase it.
Wile E. did catch the Road Runner once. He had eaten some quick grow pills that Wile E. had mixed with some bird seed and had become giant-sized. So the coyote grabs him at the ankle and holds up a sign that says: "You always wanted me to catch him...NOW what do I do?"
HE BROUGHT IT BACK AROUND! With that story. Wow.
Come on guys, you can afford to get a mic on Mick.
Hahahah you are hilarious “being in prison lmfao”
Conrad is cleaning up lol he has like 7 pods now
MORE Conrad.
Great.
He basically took a powder when it came time to put Bret over and that’s basically what transpired
Not just Bret, he wouldn't put Dean Douglas over, it's well documented he didn't want to lose to Austin, but was told he would (by Undertaker).
Silly, he’s always had knee problems and when you look at his match statistics with Bret Shawn has won 10 outta over 100 matches with Bret just saying
@@carljohnson5301 how many of those was the belt on the line?
@@LanceJ. clearly not a lot when you take into consideration the only wins Shawn had over Bret as far as TV was concerned was Montreal and WM12 😀
Basically.
suit and mask is one thing..
but mick took that to new heights with that lustrous wonderment of hair flowing from the cranial orifice
cranial orifice? nose? ears?....mouth?.........eye sockets?
@@canthusofcande8315 Bald spot where he pulled out his hair.
So he wasn't burnt out winning at mania, main eventing ppvs all through '96, losing the belt to Sid at the garde, winning it back in his hometown in 97 at the rumble.... he's fine there.
But then he loses his smile when it was clear they were going with bret v Shawn 2 and bret would win, suddenly he has issues and can't do it and has a CAREER ending knee injury... that he recovers from in 4 months...
There's a reason taker stood at the gorilla position at wrestlemania 98 because he knew Shawn might pull some crap to get out of losing the belt to Austin like he did to bret at mania 97, not to mention the screwjob finish.
What did shawn pull at mania against bret?
@@BurnNotice3210 the main event of wrestlemania 13 was meant to be bret hart vs Shawn Michael's, a rematch from the previous year with bret hart winning.
Shawn didn't want to lose to bret so he came up with this excuse about having a career ending knee injury and losing his smile....only to wrestle once again 4 months later.
@@devilwarr1or As fate would have it he did have an almost career ending back injury which had him miss almost all of the attitude era, although it might have had a lot to do with his drug issues & personal turmoil as well.
@@ashishnair12 thats the thing, yes he did have a back injury but how bad and to what extent was true and what was shawn playing up to keep getting paid not to wrestle well never know.
he was still refereeing a bit, was commissioner, was doing tv roles during 99-2002 and still had the drug problem so very interesting period for him from 98-02
@@devilwarr1or Yeah I mean it was really interesting that as soon as his contract came up in 2002 with no WCW around now he decided to be back wrestling again. But the fact that he was now clean & had overcome his issues really helped since he was arguably better in his 2nd run.
I would 100% sit next to you at a Knicks game Cactus...
He just didn't want to lose to Bret, be honest!
he did not want to lose to people who were not his friends, and take note that Austin was the first non-friend he lost title to, he did not want to lose big matches to Bret Hart
It actually made everything better. Bret v Austin, Hart Foundation 2.0, DX, heel HBK, Montréal screw job. Vinny Mac character, ect
Now I'm not saying it was the singular cause of all these events but it definitely contributed to most of these events directly or indirectly.
Not so much for Owen!!
I like what JR said about this, while SM was more gifted than anyone else in the company, he just didn't have the mindset to handle the various responsibilities of being champion. He liked the perks though.
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I agree
Foley was and still is my second favorite wrestler of the atitude era. Austin was first
So I’m hearing all about these changes to the creative department why is it Mick Foley part of the creative department in the WWE? He oozes creativity
I likey Shawan as a Wrestler. Sadly I often heard that Shawn was bahaving like an A hole as a person. At the point when he saif he found Jesus preaching while still treating some people like they are garbage. But "todays" Shawn seems less an A hole than he was back then. Maybe he is in the age and got that knwoledge what truely matters in live.
Shawn lost his way, from humble Shawn Michaels. You know his coach taught him to be more respectful and humble.
Just happens to "lose his smile" a month before he is booked to do a job in the main event at Mania. Yeah; I'm sure he wouldn't have been able to work at Mania if he was booked to go over again, instead of burying the territory right before the biggest card/payday of the year.
Who is Shawn Micheals?
Bret Hart hands down the best in ring performer besides Mr Perfect and Shawn Micheals. Always great matches with these guys . Glad Shawn got his smile back so to say
🤣🤣🤣🤣 hbgay is just that, a "performer" that appeals to neck beard betas
Bret > Shawn
Yeah. He got his “smile” back less than a week later. He just didn’t want to lose to Bret at wrestlemania 13. He wasn’t a draw. Couldn’t sell out his own hometown of San Antonio when he was champ against Sycho Sid at the ‘97 royal rumble. While he was champ and Bret was on his 6 month hiatus the wcw started their 83 consecutive week ratings dominance. He got away with so much crap back then. I will never understand it.
It’s a known fact that Shawn felt burnt out around that time. So I’m glad Mick talked about the effects of mental health from the business. It’s not always about drama….
He shouldn't have taken the title then if he was "burnt out". He had no issue with the rise, only with the fall. Did the same shit with the IC.
Hbk is a bum. A flop as champion and the top guy.
@@Zanatos9 He wasn’t burnt out when he won it…..
@@wrestlingtapes2036 Yea, either change your name or go watch his wrestling tapes
@@mshbk1326 he won it in January and gave it up in Feb lol. Come on.
He never said how Bret Hart caused Vaders injury over a prank
What is Shawn Michaels losing his smile I see the phrase all the time and don’t understand it
It’s a reference to what he said in the interview explaining why he was dropping the belt or and stepping away. He said he lost his smile and wanted to find it again
Drive, determination. Fighting “burn out”. Not a literal reference. Figurative.
great story except Shawn just didn't want to do the job because he'd be diminished a level again and then would have to work to get back to the level he lost. It was incredibly selfish, but he was in an incredibly selfish business.
If you're not over enough that one job hurts you that's on you
Bullshit. He'd still be on top. And probs even better off due to showing he could work with the boys. But he was just too blinded by his own ego to realise. Bret vs HBK should've been the trilogy of the 90's.
@@Buckdawg It pretty much was the trilogy of the 90s (Survivor Series 92, WrestleMania 12 and Survivor Series 97)
At that point he wouldn't lose his spot if he walked out like Austin did. He was made by that point
Yeah and I mean when you hear the “original” plans for WM13 from Bret it’s kinda hard not to see why Shawn would wanna get outta that match. That finish woulda totally buried him
My family and I drink that same water that Mick is drinking here and that I’ve been seeing in the MLB.
What's up with the "losing his smile" business? Lol
He is the toughest guy who ever got into the ring
😂😂😂 please tell me you're joking
Hahaha!
im assuming you never watched wing or fmw
I assume you're talking about Foley? Because in that case yes absolutely
All wrestlers
shawn "lost his smile" and dropped the belt to avoid losing to bret to return the favor for the iron man match. Shawn quit and went home pulling a hogan. he was always unprofessional
In 102 matches they had:
Shawn def Bret 10 times,
Bret def Shawn 76 times,
and they had a draw 16 times.
Shawn spent most of his career putting over Bret
Also WM12 was barely a clean job. If the match ended in a draw it should’ve ended in a draw. Michaels still should’ve went over but I understand the concept of the finish. Secondly, listen to Bret’s interview on Inside the Ropes where he talks about the supposed “original plan” for the WM13 finish and get back to me
If wrestling was anywhere close to reality bret would've won 103 times.
@@raulo19999 And Bret also wouldn’t be champion…at all. Andre probably would’ve squashed him, Ken Shamrock, Steve Blackman, even Triple H, Vader too let’s not forget. Probably even Scott Hall; I mean we can go on. Where are you going with this
@@carljohnson5301 that's precisely why business was down. Nobody bought those guys as a champion. Except Europe. They loved Bret.
@@raulo19999 Well let’s see here, I’d buy that Diesel could be champion. He was the biggest dude there. Business was still down. It’s less to the wrestler and more to the overall product that’s being booked. If Austin were champion in the new generation era, business would still be down; especially if he was booked into wacky storylines (like Shawn & Bret) or having his character watered down (like Diesel).
Is Foley using a “smooth” face filter
I thought it was just my phone
*Michaels
For me the worst part about that "I lost my smile" moment was that awful song about "Tell me a lie." That was abysmal.
Actually they did it first after he got beat up in Syracuse and had to give up the IC title. It's funny they didn't bother to find a new song.
@@dblock2829 I forgot about that. Thanks for reminding me!
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I have zero sympathy for HBK being a selfish coward back then. Mental health issues or not, you do the right thing for the business, and for the people that helped make you. As soon as HBK lost his smile, he was disqualified from having an opinion about screwing Bret. Michaels took, took and took some more, and only ever looked out for himself and his friends.
And yet he is still one of the greatest in ring performers. I agree with everything you said, but he was a phenomenal wrestler that put on a ton of great matches. When not trying to find his smile he showed up every night, most likely high too, and gave a 100%. What makes him a great story too is when he came in 2002 clean and sober, religious, but yet, a still a guy who can go. Some might even say, in ring wise, his 2nd run was better than his first run that ended at Mania 14. And people forget to mention that for a guy who hated to do "jobs" and how not wanting to "job" was disrespectful to the biz his job at Mania 14 to Austin started an amazing run for wwe. He did it kicking and crying But he did it and honored the biz.
@Vincent Verona he definitely was a selfish prick back then.
😂
@Vincent Verona even Nash said this yes
And, still, he was given the opportunity to come back and have a phenomenal second run, while Bret was kicked in the head and forced to retire. I think about that a lot, because it does seem like there’s something to being able to conquering your demons and admitting you’ve been a prick. Bret held on to that hate for so long and it really seemed to eat him alive from the inside. I’m glad he seems to be in a much better place nowadays.
when it becomes your job it sucks
It suprised me to read that Mr. Hickenbottom was only 3x world champion.
I was pretty sure he "won" more world titles if you look back how long his push went during his career.
But to win the title you have to drop it first i guess 🤔
He was champion for quite a while the first two times, and when he won the third time, "Good Shawn" was starting to emerge, and once "Good Shawn" had finally taken over, he vehemently refused any other world titles because he was afraid that "Bad Shawn" would return otherwise. Also, by that point he was made and no longer needed a world title.
Yes. Mental health is def dealt with better these days...But HBK, just didnt wanna drop the strap, no mental health issue what so ever.
Shawn loses his smile? I don't get it
There is a mispelling in this podcast. It should be FOLEY IS GOD. 😂😂😂
mean people will lose their smile.
guess how many people lost their dreams cause of this piece of ....
got 0 compassion for bullies. we got to much on this planet
you get bullies, and then you get shawn michaels... people have no idea what a bully actually is anymore... Bully was generally a show of physical dominance, Nerds/Geeks usually related to those with intellectual dominance or differences based on something non-physical, Jock was one who was physically dominant in a sporting field, but now nearly all these things are seen as slurs or insults by modern day standards, where is it was just a word to describe people in a certain dynamic... both nerds/geeks and jock/bullies are in a similar field but very different... Bret Hard was a wrestling Nerd, but he was also a jock in actual wrestling which he actually knows besides professional wrestling which is what it is... Shawn Michaels was only a bully through politics, but nearly every wrestler he worked with had the option to end him, but they chose politely not to... for they had matured beyond the childish nature of the typings you take up while in school society
@@aoisora1445 a bully is not a physical dominance.
its just a sign of a bullshit character.
thats how easy it is.
Bad Shawn was amazing!
Shawn was always over hyped by Vince. He pushed him to the moon yet Shawn could never become a mega star like stone cold, the rock, Bret, hogan. He is perhaps the greatest ring performer but he’s not in the list of guys who are the best champions of all time. His own self consciousness ruined his career. He came back in 2002 when Rock and austin were pretty much done. He came back ( because his contract finished) and I hate how people say there was 2 Shawn Michaels. He tried his best at showing he changed but he never did. His “professionalism” and attitude came out when he had to do the honours for hogan. The typical Shawn came back out and was visible for all to see. Don’t get me wrong, hogan is the same thing but trying to sabotage a major PPV match is something even wrestlers who have legitimate beef don’t do.
WWF/WWE have perhaps the smartest marketing teams in the world. They make you love who they want loved. It’s truly remarkable how it’s done. I’m 39 and I still believe that my favourite Bret cannot do wrong lol. It’s crazy. It’s as if I was brainwashed. It’s crazy to think that people still have a warm spot for a guy who killed his wife and child. People will protect him in comment sections saying “ y’a I know what he did is wrong but he’s one of the best wrestlers ever”.
It’s crazy to think like that. But that’s how good wwe is at “brainwashing” the public.
Of course u can’t own up to the bullshit hogan started there . Don’t put it all on hbk
There is no manipulation happening if you can separate the man from his art.
@@dennisdavis5842 what shit? Hogan shouldn't Job to HBK, it's stupid. HBK is not on that level of stardom/icon.
@@RealFuckingReviews it was to be a series of 3. Hogans did th e same thing the next summer slam and oh yeah what’s that he’s not been back since . Serve that shit to someone else . Most know the truth of that . Don’t get me wrong I liked hogan until I grew up . U could tell . I’m no great hit man fan either but I do believe Bret as well when he says the shit Hulk pulled or go watch that countless pod cast about it
@@RealFuckingReviews What good it did for Hogan to put himself over who was past his prime? And yet he did the same thing at the next SummerSlam against Orton. For what reason? He's a spotlight hogger.
Tbh Shawn's entire back injury was bullshit in my mind. I've seen the match where he allegedly destroyed his back. He never even touched the side of the casket. Shawn was a pill head at that point. What does a pill head do? Fake a back injury to get high.
Vince, in his infinite wisdom, sends him home because the lockeroom hated him at this point anyway. He keeps paying him so Shawn doesn't go and party with his friends in WCW. WCW goes belly up and vince no longer needs to pay him. Oh wow my back feels great!! And goes on to have another 9 yr career. Shawn was an amazing worker, no doubt, but this was the biggest scam in wrestling
Have you seen his match with Austin? That match was far below Shawn's standards, and before you say "he must have sabotaged it", he did sabotage his match with Diesel three years earlier, and it was still great.
Also, why the fuck would he fake an injury to get high, when he had all the supplies he could possibly ask for available in a wrestling locker room?!
@The Artist Formerly Unknown as Aiooty19 he was a pain in their ass. He had very few friends anymore except HHH and even he was tired of him. He wanted the pills minus the road. I mean it worked
i hope he uses teeth implants when he portrays Santa every year.
Conrad is such a mark. How can anyone talk about prowrestling this much?
Don't he make money off this?
Dude is married to ric flairs daughter and makes loads of $$ doing this.
Mick's hair looks painted on
Micheals
is that spraypaint he uses as hair?
As far as in ring, athletic ability goes, Shawn was one of the very best. He was just an ok promo but never anything great. Definitely not the best of all time when you consider everything a star has to have to qualify for that: in ring ability, promo skills, and drawing power. Maybe it was because pro wrestling business was down at that time but HBK never drew like Austin, Rock, or even Foley in WWF. He definitely didn't draw as well as Hogan, Piper, Savage, or Sting in WCW. HBK was also unprofessional and this whole "I Lost My Smile" business he pulled was a transparent way to get out of putting Bret over. Shawn was a big part of the beginning of the attitude era but guys like Austin, Rock, Foley, and even Taker were much bigger parts of that than HBK was. Athletically gifted but morally bankrupt.
When he was the top guy in 1996, he had no one to help him. Bret took time off TV to pursue acting and refresh, Austin was still doing his ringmaster gimmick, The Rock didn’t debut until the end of the year. His supporting cast was Bulldog, Vader and Sycho Sid. The guy was literally carrying the company on his back that entire year. When Steve Austin was on top he had The Rock, Mick Foley, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Triple H and the company was just a lot better than it had been the year prior in general. You can’t really put the blame on just one guy for everything.
@@tammyfytch1073 Austin didn't really have either HBK nor Bret Hart supporting him because he didn't win the WWF title until the end of March of 1998. By that time, Bret was long gone to WCW and Shawn was briefly there to forcibly hand over the belt to Austin and wouldn't return until 2002. HBK had Taker, Bret, Sid, Owen, Foley, Razor, Diesel, and to a lesser degree, even Triple H though he was allied with him and Helmsley wasn't working many main events and Razor/Diesel left for WCW too. Shawn was to blame for not having anyone to work with because he and the Cliq ran many potential stars off or had them demoted to nothing. Vader was a great example because he was a huge star in both WCW and Japan. The reason guys like Austin and Rock were better draws as champion is because they both pulled people up instead of sabotaging them to make themselves look good. Like I said, no one will ever deny Shawn's athletic ability and greatness in storytelling. But his run as WWF Champion wasn't even close to being as great others who truly revolutionized the business. Simply because he was selfish and wasn't the kind of person people paid to see in that top spot. Look at WCW during the same time period, Hogan or Savage sometimes had less than stellar opponents and business was down yet they still drew big enough money to position WCW as the top pro wrestling company. Hogan was working with some guys far beneath him in his first run as WCW Champion like Kevin Sullivan and Lex Luger. People still paid to see him because he was a big deal and he mostly did business even though was very selfish too. The difference is Hogan was smart enough to bring many people up with him and he understood that you can't do it alone.
@@DWtechfan Austin had help with the Bret feud in late 1996-early 1997. That’s what got Austin super over. Shawn’s only main opponents in 1996 was Sid, Foley, Bulldog and Vader. Bret left to try acting, Razor and Diesel left to go to WCW. I see your point on Shawn being selfish but the product was garbage in general.
Shawn Michaels is one of the biggest pos in wrestling. Past and present.
Foley's hair looks like he used permanent marker and a bad mirror.
Lmfao. How people can, with a straight face, say hbk is the greatest is beyond me.
The day Bret made Shawn cry on national television. Bret > Shawn
Shawn's title run didn't draw a dime, not sure why Vince had such a hard on for him.
Vince thought Shawn was the wrestling version of himself
Vince often chooses the wrong man to carry the company, Roman reigns didn't draw, Cena lost millions of fans, Kevin Nash didn't draw. Vince is wrong way more then he's right honestly. he got lucky that a bunch of great talent all found their footing at the right time for him to beat WCW or else he would have failed miserably
Vince rode Shawn's mouth .......all the way
HBK, Undertaker, and Bret Hart were huge stars. It's not their fault the product sucked in the mid 90's with all those stupid gimmick wrestlers they had to work with. HBK and Undertaker proved to be huge draws being the most popular/over guys on Raw and Smackdown all throughout the Ruthless Aggression Era. WWE put Cena and Batista against HBK and Undertaker at WM 23 and HBK and Undertaker were cheered heavily over them because they were the biggest legends in the company's history. Also during the Attitude Era on May 10, 1999 when HBK returned as WWF Commissioner and was heavily involved in most of the shows segments on tv, that was the highest rated episode of WWF Raw of all time with a monstrous 8.1 rating for the show.
@@fmthebaron I wouldn't call Yoko, Vader, and Mankind gimmick wrestlers, all HOFers who did programs with Shawn during his run. The 83 week WCW run started during his reign and ended when he dropped the belt to Austin at WM 14. Considering all the backstage stroke he and his buddies had and his constant unprofessionalism, yeah I would say he takes a lot of blame for WWF stinking majorly. Watching Mick's new podcast clips, he talks how Taker had a stale gimmick by '96, and working with Mankind (and later Kane) gave him new life. Bret doing a double turn at WM13 for Austin and putting him over while taking on the heel role for the first time showed he was always willing to do business. Both Taker and Bret put over other guys and were willing to take risks with their characters, so don't lump them with Shawn, who lost his little smile and screwed up plans for WM13. Oh and he and HHH managed to find time to bury The Rock when he was coming up as well.
Conrad again
Hbk losing his smile and taking 4 years off because of back issues. Drugs🤔
What’s on top of his head..Penguin fur? Whatever it is doesn’t look good.
I cant stand conrads voice lol
He sounds a bit like Mr. Garrison from South Park.
@@elc1960 Lmao he really does
Boy Toy gimmick was easily one of the worst and most embarrassing ever
What a boring story.