Who are the Winners & Losers of the Big Street Fighter 6 Season 2 Patch?
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2024
- So the big Street Fighter 6 Season 2 balance patch been out for a few days, and as is tradition for the super big patch lets talk Winners and Losers! Just about everyone won really, but some more than others, and for some just getting a buff doesn't mean you really won in the end.
Check the original Patch Notes visual guide video here: • The Visual Guide to St...
The patch notes themselves can be found here: www.streetfighter.com/6/buckl...
0:00 - Winners and Losers
0:55 - Ryu
5:23 - Zangief
9:02 - Aki
14:24 - E Honda
19:27 - Lily
23:11 - Dee Jay
26:19 - Closing Thoughts
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Posting this just to get ahead of the dummies who are already trying to blow me up on twitter. Lily still remains one of the lesser characters in the game even though Chakotay won at Combo Breaker. People already disrespecting him and the effort he's put into the character on day 1 saying lily is now somehow magically top tier with her miniscule buffs. Great players can win with not great characters(and chakotay remains one of NA's strongest). He's been on the character since the start and never wavered. Don't waste my time when 99% of yall who are gonna raise your voice don't even appreciate or fully understand the character lol. Big ups to Chakotay for the win, well earned.
Hey rooflemonger unrelated comment but your a pretty good looking dude! 👍
Well put. He didn’t just pick up the character post-patch, he’s been grinding her for a hot minute. It’s funny to point out the irony of her being a “patch loser” before winning a major, but all things considered you weren’t wrong at all in how you worded things, she isn’t a magic top tier now and people need to respect Chakotay’s crazy W.
Juri and Guile are definitely winning by avoiding nerfs more than anything imo.
Who plays against Guile and says "yeah that's fun to fight seems fair"
@TheTangaMandapium I suppose he can be annoying, but I think most characters can be. Losing isn't fun.
He's not a broken character by any means, I'll be excited to see how his results shake out this year.
All juri needs that I can think of is a drive rush and damage nerf imo
Eh. In Juri's case, the power scaling is doing the nerfing for Capcom. Juri has a harder time dealing with Zoners, and the changes in the system mechanics is putting more in the Zoners' favor. Not trying to downplay her by saying she's going to be bad or anything. She's still very much a solid character. It's just that Juri has to work even harder around Zoners in Season 2.
Guile got nerfed by universal changes
that gief grab on the parry Juri looked like some super turbo shenanigans
He did some yoga with Dhalsim and now his arms are stretchy
Ryu finally feels like a main character protagonist type of a Street Fighter game. Been a while since that we had those feels
Yeah not since SF4
@@charlieharrington9555 even in street fighter 4 there was no point in playing him bc evil was just literally everything he was but way better.
@@azechase6597 true, I guess I just mostly think of daigo’s ryu cleaning house at majors for a while even after evil ryu was out
Ryu was crazy near the end of SF5. Dude was solid and did crazy reliable damage
@@azechase6597Vanilla SF4
Broski said they literally gave A.K.I everything he wanted, so that's a good sign we'll se her placing higher in tournaments, soon.
I am legit so close to actually playing Aki just cause of that friggin costume. Its so cool. Since I am officially going to evo and my CPT ban is up I suppose I should get into fighting shape with some character soon, but who?
Good luck. Just play your favorite character ! Is Aki your favorite SF6 character ?
Why would anyone not want you at cpt?!
Poisoned command grabs, think about it
Stick to Honda! Us hondabros need hope
@@bbyjohn11 I had to agree to a 1 year self-ban from all CPT events cause I got an early review copy of the game. Turns out my 2 week head start is considered a greater advantage than the cracked beta 6 month head start lol
Gief ain't top tier or anything but he's way more fun. Most of his buffs were addressing his godawful meter efficiency, so we actually get to play the game now.
As someone with Lily as their secondary (at the moment), it's sad to have my fears confirmed. I suppose her being somewhat unpopular made it so that she didn't get as big buffs as Gief.
Really weeping for the funny wind child.
She literally did get buffs. Did you read the patch notes?
@@CrystalMang0 I didn't say she didn't get any buffs. I said she didn't get buffed nearly as much as Zangief, her fellow low tier grappler.
I feel you, it was like waiting all year for Christmas and all Lily players got were socks and a tie.
@@CrystalMang0 Nothing of value
@@OhNoTheFace was lost...
Nice of Ryu to finally step out of Kens shadow
No one steps out of Ken's shadow (Ken Main) 😂
@@LionOfJudah83You better get used to being in Akuma's shadow then
Run dp really helps that Match up so I doubt it
@@marche800 ken beats ryu, ryu beats akuma, akuma beats ken
@@usernameluis305the new Ryu vs Guile.
AKI and Ryu for sure won big in this patch. Feel like Dee Jay and JP got hit hard with nerfs
Honestly, I don’t really feel like too much of a loser as JP. He’s worse on paper, but the buffs matter, especially OD Stribog, he LOVES the Parry nerf, most of his new Scaling is on stuff that combos into or out of OD Stribog and since he can combo into Embrace now. He’ll hopefully be whiff punishing more with everyone’s extended Hurtboxes as well. As for the Supers, the Monkey’s Paw had to curl somewhere to get Rashid and Marisa similarly stripped of Checkmates too and Cammy, Chun, & Dee Jay getting stabbed My tune may change, but I’m not too scared of anyone
DeeJay definitely lost, but it's wild how he still looks to be doing high damage and have almost universally great buttons. It'll be interesting to see how much it really effected him. Kinda like Lily from the other end. Could be better than it seems, but she started pretty far in the hole!
@@Jarrych83 Yep! Can’t take these things in a vacuum, since it all has to be viewed within the context of the whole game and all of the System Changes, which were pretty big themselves!
@@StreetFighterWWE you know what was REALLY weird? iDom sounding almost excited about something when talking about the Manon changes
@@Jarrych83 he was positive for a brief moment, tried her in ranked and concluded that she still has the same systems-driven problems as before.
Well here's the thing we usually do after a big patch over the years so uh, lets do the thing! Frankly most characters are "winners" in the traditional sense, although some much more than others. Some people like Ryu are getting the rocket strapped to them cause Capcom is sorta forcing the issue lol. Others? Just cause you got buffed doesn't mean your situation is actually any better even if you might deal a few more points of damage here and there. Well its all in the video anyways so give a watch, like if ya liked it, and let me know what you think about it, and your own thoughts as well!
Since Dhalsim didn't get anything, just like he didn't get anything in SFV Season 4 and 5, Capcom Japan thinks it's ok for Akuma to be broken, but Dhalsim can't even get any damage increase to some of his Normals, less Startup & Recovery, and decrease on some important Hurtboxes that other characters aren't dealing with 🤷🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤬
@@MrBornUnique maybe because most people like playing Rushdowns and hate playing against Zoners (and Grapplers)
@@Tungdil_01 The devs should've only put Rushdown characters in SF6 🤷🏾♂️
@@MrBornUnique dhalsim got all new combo routes that are better than his current ones
@@rooflemonger I main him and I wouldn't do his new combo that takes 2 DR cancels into Lvl3/CA unless my opponent's health is near 35% left. I saw what Mr. Crimson showed with the Cr. Medium Kick, which isn't bad but Dhalsim definitely got left behind in this patch.
Normally, Dhalsim will get the necessary stuff that he really needs until the end of Season 2 like he did at the end of SFV Season 2 balance patch. We shall see 🤷🏾♂️🙏🏾
Chun-li, I would count among losers of the patch. My girl has to put the ‘hard work’ back into kung fu.
honestly her nerfs were pretty fair and even somewhat conservative, plus we can abuse her 5HP again
with the nerfs to the other top tiers she's for sure gonna thrive this season, even though she's probably still gonna have a low playrate because of her technicality
this is to say: i'm counting her as a winner, as i was genuinely bracing myself for far more impactful nerfs
Yeah, to the lights scaling nerf hurting Lily, that also hurts Ed. He's also one that is dependent on his light attacks and also a lot of his light specials. It feels like a lot of the mid to low tiers are affected by that. Different to characters like Luke and Ken, they certainly never gear towards light attacks and the light version as those two examples here. And those are only the ones I'm familiar with.
Could be an interesting idea for a video. The winners and losers of only the universal changes. Which competent content creator specialized in fighting games and that sort of content could do such a thing? Gorilla-themed and grappler-affine would be a plus...
I don't even play Lily and I think she got shafted. I really hope they fix her so my friend can enjoy the game more.
Highly recommend broski’s video on the aki changes as a complement to this
17:10 " better pokes, better frames, better pressure. Papa Hon's"
Bro, that SPD landing against Juri.... I ain't seen grab ranges like _that_ since 1994!
I’m glad I’m not only Lily player who is invested in the character. I hope capcom doesn’t abandon her long term !
AKI outfit 3 wants me to see C. Viper back. She was so unique and execution heavy, 2nd place at EVO 2011.
Capcom needs an emergency patch for Lily. Lily players have to work EVEN HARDER because of universal changes 🤦🏾♂️.
Switch to easy mode characters if you don't want hard work
@@MrQuay03 Lily is an easy mode character. She’s just bad lmao
@@Blackreapxr waste of a character slot
@@MrQuay03 People like you always are putting words in people's mouths that were never said. I play multiple characters smart guy.
@@GodhandSheefwaste is an understatement. Think of just AAALLLL the other characters that could have her spot. And shes not even T Hawk just some jail bait who has to use clubs to even be formidable.
I was really hoping Lily would get more than she did. While she did get nothing but buffs, it feels like those buffs brought her forward by inches when she's miles behind much of the cast. Unless someone else discovers something really drastically strong about her changes that nobody else has noticed, it seems like she's going to be an easy bottom tier for this next season, which is sad. Especially if Capcom keeps up this "one major update per year" thing they have going, which I really hope they don't.
Nice to see my boy Ryu getting some love.
Zangief mains eating good after this patch. Feels like I have unlimited meter and gauge to spam OD Lariat at everything lol
I'm not even a Gief player and I can say it's about time Gief players got to feel like they had something going for them.
I played today after not playing for a while. Beat a few Akuma's and stopped playing so I could savor the feeling haha. JP and Dhalsim smashed me though.
One thing not mentioned here is that his headbutt->hellstab->OD lariat absolutely EATS drive gauge on block. Like, 3+ bars of drive gauge. I will eat the punish on the OD lariat sometimes just to let the combo ride and force a burnout.
I hate playing against gief so sucks to be me lmao
AKI's new outfit is so so good! Your vids make me want to proper get into Street Fighter but i've been so hung up with Tekken
This is quality content. Great discusion on all the changes all in one video.
"FORCE THE ISSUE" is a new motto now, because *damn* 😂
Playing online against a Ryu already feels a lot different, a lot faster, with better connects, as if they gave the dude a coffee before the match and that's it.
Of course that depends on the players you meet but the impression immediatelly was there, that Ruy-dude's feels fast and fluid now.
We can also count people who downplay their main as big winners of the patch,...it was a joke in the community but in the end it worked...
Lily players couldn't downplay her since there are no Lily players.
@@AirLancer That is correct. ^^ Well, maybe Steven Chavez, if he still mains Lily.
This was a jab against the Ken mains, especially the more prominent ones. Which is weird, and now I come back to your comment, since there are more than enough Ken players out there, also at EVO and Capcom Cup.
I used to play Ken before I switched to Ed, and I will never be as good with Ed as I was with Ken, it's tempting again to just go back to him now...
Lily and Manon have been left behind, IMO. At least they wont be throw looped into oblivion anymore...
manon has potential, a lot of her buffs will take more time to figure out the true extent of their power. Maybe not enough to escape bottom tier but theres still hope
thanks! this is very helpful and well paced. A miracle that grapplers got buffs lol ... I`m happy
I don't think Manon was given enough to leave the bottom tiers tbh. They haven't really given her enough tools to approach in order to gain medals, even though they said in their explanations that she has struggled to gain medals. The damage for SA3 scaling with medals is cool, but not great when gaining medals is still pretty difficult. That said, I do like b.HP being plus on block.
A real detail that tells me they leave her bad on purpose wasn't just not enhancing her ways to get medals but they let her still be beyond sweep distance away from someone after she lands a grab. I fucking hate it
They buffed her drive rush options but forgotten that she doesn't have a drive rush
Love the content as always, man 💜 any chance you're considering a new Honda guide post patch?
yeah let me just survive this week and ill start getting some new season 2 character guides going. Nothing can start until the akuma one is live first though
Sad "HEYHEYHEY"s
Man can we get a patch just for Lilly and manon that are just huge buffs i kive them but they suck sadly . Probably not everybody seems to hate them for some reason.
I really like the gief buffs. There's still only 5 things I would like, having a high/low version of tundra storm instead of specific kicks, faster startup on lariats, ex lariat to hit from behind, hellstab being a 1 (num pad) input instead of 3, and more ways to combo into level 1. Other than that, he is more of a character than he was in season 1.
It's ok it's not like it will be another year for them to fix missing on lily and manon.
Oh . . .
When juri whiffed drive parry it looked like a kara throw 😂
Ryu clapping those cheeks
Can’t wait for your video next year lol
same, ill be talking about all the sick psycho power gorilla buffs
@@rooflemonger 😂😂 absolutely love all of your videos brother. Love your work. Love how you visually represent all the changes. All jokes aside I will see you again when homelander drops.
Honestly wish Jamie got a couple more buffs. We are eating but we need some drink w that if you know what I’m saying
I totally agree about Honda!
If I were to make a top 3 of winning characters it has to be
1.-Ryu: More damage, more choices, more everything basically.
2.-AKI: Now has consistent and powerful conversions off her most awkward hits, which leads to setups, her win condition.
3.-Gief: They did not fix his defense and at this point I don't think they will, so lets rejoice in our bully potential.
We are still paying for the sins of season 2 Abigail.
I don’t understand how Dee Jay got hit like this but Juri survived, like they were rough equal on most tier lists.
i'm happy zangief is getting better, but i'm also kinda terrified
As someone who plays Manon and Kimberly, I would put them closer to the loser's side for the same reasons as Lily. They already did little damage, kimberly especially. Now, they will do less still with their light attacks being nerfed. They got some buffs, but since they were so far behind, manon, especially, it doesn't mean much in the end. Especially when the strong characters got buffed as well, so the gap stays the same. I don't play Dee Jay, but I do not understand why he got hit so much harder than the likes of ken and JP, who are worse to fight than him.
Also, as someone who also plays Ryu (and has been my whole life), I am very happy. I don't play him, but I am also happy for Zangief, since he, like Manon and lily, had it bad in the launch version, and I am happy to see him have hope of rising up in the tiers and avenging his comrades. I am not a fan of balance decisions based around "forcing the issue", that said.
Because of that last one, I am not convinced that the one patch a year policy is the best, especially since we now can see that favoritism is being shown. I still hold that two large patches a year should be the minimum.
Ryu is the damage shoto now
LET'S GO TEAM RYU! 💪
God I wasnt really feeling that aki outfit 3 before. But Jesus CHRIST it just looks so good in motion. she feels like an assassin a lot more now
Damn, Aki looks and play amazing in this patch!
Yeah I was hype for manon and lily changes until i actually played them. They still struggle the same
As much as I appreciate Lily's buffs, you're absolutely right that she "lost" seeing as how most all characters foundationally got better/funner/easier.
They could've expanded her gameplan a bit, maybe mess with her movment or her defense some so she doesnt get blown up as much.
Never think Capcom wont buff Ryu to the moon. EVER!
Everyone crazy about Akuma right now, but Ryu lookin' saucy.
Long time viewer, first time post here.
My only “complaint” about Ryu is that he still feels somewhat stubby compared to other shotos.
But his buffs, particularly his enhanced combos, damage output, and Denjin Charge change, make up for it! Game on!
well I guess thats fair, but now especially with the buffs in mind he's both the primary zoner, and the one who mauls you the most up close. The midscreen is for ken and akuma now lol
The Great Honda Hootenanny Tournament of the Gods is back on the menu,boys
Ryu is insane now, really like this patch.
Would’ve been better for Lily to not jump back after her command grab, or have her jump back to mid screen so she has to spend drive rush for oki.
Shame what happened to my boy DeeJay tho, he is super fun to play, and now I have to forget some juggle combos that were very hard to learn while Akuma gets to feast on his own juggle combos.
Nerfed and buffed a headbutt
Manon still isn't a functionning character the buffs are good but it solves no issue she has .
She can't go in , no drive rush , still hard to get medals , still no way to deal with projectiles .
You want teleport for her? Or full sreen comand grab?
Roofle do you have a club in SF6? Youre the GOAT as always 🙏
11:59 is a hell of a freeze frame
That crazy range grab is so silly from zangief lol..crapcom... you were right about juri is teleporting to his grab lol😂
20 minutes ago is crazy
If i had to pick like an underrated Winner and Loser of the patch, it would be Marisa for a winner and Ed for a loser.
I say Marisa cause while the Armor Breaking during her stance is a nerf, the fact she got basically more ways to kill you from the patch is pretty insane. Ed loses so much honestly, considering he definitely relies on his LP button. I swear, i haven't met one Ed that doesn't put their life savings on Stand LP
Agreed, hearing the lights scaling nerf I immediately shared a screenshot in my gaming group because I use them now,...a lot. I didn't so much when playing as Ken.
And yes, I was so counting on Ed getting buffs, although he came out last, he could need some.
It also feels weird that a boxer (the boxer for now) has so many start up frames, boxing should be one of the fastest martial arts in your game, that's what I associate with the sport...
Ken definitely won for being essentially untouched, it feels like he's going to be the nago of the game where they'll give him a small nerf, then balance it out with a big buff that gives him all new tools. JP is definitely having a rough time, they really shouldn't be this afraid to let zoners be good and the mid-season patch had already given him a good smack.
Bruh, Kimberly just out here existing. Think I need to learn Aki
kims buffs arent bad honestly. Better neutral with qcf lp poke becoming a thing with a fairly good reward, better midscreen combo routes, better corner damage with lvl 1 being 10f now
Que-ing up Red Cyclone by Beefy/Grammar Club and hitting the lab tonight.
Roofle are u gonna cover anything Multiversus related seeing the relaunch soon?
man I want to, but they picked a real bad time to get the engine revving again cause im prob gonna be talking about SF6 as the primary focus for a hot minute now. I will try to get some multiversus going on but I cant guarantee it
Question, did Honda’s clap always cancel into hundred hands when it has the sumo spirit buff? I did this on accident during the intermission of online matches and was confused as to if this has always been a thing or not, I wanted to test the buffs from the kicks and found it did this.
I was praying for some significant changes to Lily and give me a reason to play the game again, and I didn't get it. What a disappointment :(
Keep doing this, your work is invaluable to the fgc!!!
Thank you very much for the kind words and thank you for the generous support!
I just know that A LOT of people seem to think Akuma would (automatically) win them games and its HILARIOUS lol
That’s cause everyone told them that Akuma was gonna be the best no matter what lol
Hey Rooflemonger, when do you think they will announce the season 2 characters?
evo is the safe bet. Could be before I suppose but certainly no later than that
Capcom don't love manon 😢
Capcom devs definitely took the “Better Ryu” comments to heart lol.
Will you cover who has the best matchup against akuma because I can't really seem to get him except with Zangief and even then he still wins most of the time
that will take a while to figure out, theres so many matchups and so many nuances to figure out
@@rooflemonger yeah I think I just need to go back to learning the basics of the game and practicing those but it's pretty much with me. Akuma gets one hit and I cant escape his combos but I have the same issue in Tekken. Maybe it's back to the drawing board
Hope Snake Eyes shines this patch
I'm grateful for Gief's buffs. But you still need to know how to play the character to be able to succed. Nothing automatic about it. I don't think he's broken, but just more able to do what he should be able to do.
"Hello and welcome" when drunk.. normal afterward
I feel like dahlsim doesnt like the drive parry buffs and how people gain drive gauge faster, but maybe the damage nerfs make things more in his favor.
I think Juri is genuinely a balanced character made for this system, am i surprised a move or 2 didnt get damage adjustments? Sure but it won't make or break her and she still has issues with fireballs.
I wish i could say more about Guile but i don't play him and i think he's gonna get alot of hate cause he seems be have gotten slightly better, he could be too strong just cause the top characters got worse but depending on the buffed characters maybe they will keep him in check because JP is gonna be seen alot less.
can someone explain how to do ehondas target combo into sumo spirit? i keep try buy it doesnt come out
Zangiefs buffs are legitimately scary. He can literally break you now. Lol
"Raiyou" fucking sent me 💀
"Minna, miteite kure!" - Zangief s.2
Man, Deejay feeling like sf4 again.
Me a Ryu and Gief player is happy
If aki's slither can beat fireballs so should ed's kill rush. The campaign for Season 3 buffs begin today.
laughing in El Chakotay right now
Sidenote: why does everyone beat up Cammy?
Shoto fighter 6 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Love to see it
Lily just won combo breaker! 😂
i want hakan in this game so badly lmao
Annnddd dirt. See you in Street Fighter 5 everyone
Not really sure who I wanna play in Season 2. I only played Lily in the first season because she was easy and I could focus on learning the new SF6 systems. But yeah, right now she's really just a counterpick for one or two matchups and I'm going to have to find someone else.
Hey Rooflemonger do you intend to cover Multiversus again when it comes out? Im going to want to get into it, especially with my girlfriend, but you already have a lot on your plate this week 😂
man normally, yes, however since all this stuff is going down right when the SF6 season 2 stuff is im basically forced to pick and choose cause I simply dont have time to do both. All thinsg equal, a traditional fighting game is gonna win out for me over a platform fighter
@@rooflemongermakes sense for sure. I'm not sure if there's anything worth covering other than "hey it's here." It is SF6s time to shine for sure
Goodbye Deejay
I'm dropping Marisa. The stance change breaking armor makes the move almost useless now.
"Just cause you got buffed doesn't mean you are a winner. Just cause you got nerfed doesn't mean you are a loser"
Ed---> 🙂
Why do you often use pajama Juri as your dummy?