Finally someone that takes the time to learn the internal mechanisms of how this works and not just regurgitating none sense. You did a fenomenal job stating what each relevant part does and how they work. Thank you.
Excellent job sir! I had allot of the same thoughts and looked into it also. One thing I did further was a little "testing" myself. In the safest environment I had a loaded pistol and subjected it to numerous "adverse" handlings. I started by, not wearing it, holstering/upholstering it well over 50 times in all sorts of angles, it was dropped from approx 3' on all angles about 20 times, slammed and banged. Not only did I not get a AD but the pistol took the abuse like it is supposed to. The only damages were some scuffing's in the grip mod. And just to say that the "testing's" involved multiple sandbags and a ballistic blanket. Thanks for the review again.
I like to take things apart and study them. So I really appreciate your teaching. I don’t own a firearm yet but I’ve been looking at the P320 compact for the past 2 months. Now I’m sold. Getting one next month. Thank you much sir.
I recently bought a P320c , I don’t have it on my hands yet.. but I was a little concerned about this issue been going on in the media… thank you for this helpful information… I feel better now.
Thanks for the detailed information on the P320 upgrade, had recently purchased one not knowing of the defect. Thanks to your video I now know my Sig has been factory upgraded. Thanks again.
There was never a defect. The original design was safe and there was no recall. Sig opted to do an upgrade just to appease the rabid masses who took the hype and ran with it.
@@KirkGoodman Well, there was, but not in the same sense. Due to the mass of the trigger, the gun could fire when dropped at the right angle (the trigger springs were not strong enough to stop the trigger from "pulling itself" due to inertia. Imagine you are in a head on collision with no seat belt, the car is the gun, and you are the trigger). Sig resolved this by reducing the mass of the trigger to 30%, and they might have also made the trigger springs stronger, but I'm unsure about that part. Pre-voluntary upgrade, the P320 was also capable of firing out of battery, which is why they added the battery safety. (You shouldn't be trying to fire a gun that didn't chamber properly anyways, in any gun). Besides the already-fixed drop safety issue, the P320 always was and still is a very safe pistol, and will not go off without someone or something pulling the trigger.
Fantastic video. Thanks for sharing . I have post recall p320s in 9mm, 357 sig and 40 s&w. I have loaded primed cases into the chambers of all 3 calibers and tried my best to make it accidentally fire while inside and out it several holsters and nothing that I could do would make it fire short of pulling the trigger.
@@BoomStickTactical Not really. Sig Sauer is even more popular now than ever. Go to any gun store and ask how many P320s they sell. Usually they don't have them in stock for even 2 days before being sold. They can't keep P320 parts in stock in many places and even the magazines are hard to find in stores. People staying away from the brand are doing so out of ignorance and perhaps pride. I see a lot of Glock fans that smear Sig Sauer out of what can only be described as jealousy.
Thank you for the great video man it was very helpful ! I just received mine and it seems to be having a disconnect or issue so it was very helpful to see your video to compare the trigger assembly. Great video man thank you
BoomStick Tactical yes I believe so. I checked the serial on sigs website and it said this model wasn’t recalled. My disconnector has LOTS of play and rattles around 😳 I juts emailed them about that . I got the 320 x compact rxp. Also the “MOTAC “ malfunctions On mine. Doesn’t turn on after drawn from the holster and stays on until I manually shut it off. Pretty bummed because I really wanted to carry this but I can’t trust it right now haha. Hopefully they can fix my issues. Thanks again brother keep making great videos. I’ll subscribe now 👍🏽
I just purchased a P320 AXG Scorpion for my edc. This video is great man! Very thorough when describing the safties. Definitely feel comfortable carrying it knowing those blocks and disconnects are there. Thanks again for the great content!
I own two P 320 pistols both have the factory upgrades I carry a P 320 every time I leave home I own glocks Smith&wesson and H&K handguns the sig is my go to edc gun
Thank you for taking the time to demonstrate the firing process. I was looking at my M18 and could see there were multiple safety features in-place to prevent all but the most unlikely circumstances. I use my thumb safety and practice flicking it off when drawing. I'm not concerned with my M18. Also, I NEVER carry chambered! I've seen other videos where they almost destroy the gun trying to get an updated/newer gun to fire and could not. That said, if there is a chance of an issue, SIG needs to fix it!
thank you much, i just purchased one just last week 01/ 2022 (full size) makes me feel a whole let better knowing this, thanks for the great video man!!!!!!
I was heavily against striker fire pistols, after watching this video i finally understand the safety mechanisms it has and now i’m looking at it for my first carry gun when i get a CCW
Got my first Sig and this video did a great job with my confidence with this weapon. To many talked bad about this weapon for going off on it on. See now was just people being negative on the band wagon.
I went one step further and bought a extra back plate, cut the bottom off so I could stick a small screw driver into the back of the pistol and force the striker off of the sear (without pulling the trigger) and the striker catches on a ledge that is designed to keep the pistol from firing.
when you say you "force the striker off of the sear," do you mean you brought the striker up and over the sear (in its ready location) or dropped the sear below the striker hook (the part that touches the sear)? Genuinely curious
It’s my understanding that the issue is two fold… main issue is that the mount of trigger travel needed to disengage the captive safety is some thing like 1.5mm which is negligible… far less than 365… that alone is enough to cause an ND just with build up of gunk or slightly work or tightly fitting holster… the disaster is exacerbated by rapid manufacturing process that in some firearms causssnthe mechanisms to not be well polished and friction alone would prevent captive safety and sear to work together causing the gun to fire. Something tells me that sig will continue to make changes to the firing mechanism as time goes on… they just need to acknowledge those changes!
All those concerns disappeared when I replaced my P320 x compact with a CZ P07. I fell in love again. I LOVED MY 320X COMPACT just didn't feel comfortable carrying hot, IWB appendix. I'll take a CZ over any Glock, ANY DAY! Glocks are dependable and accurate ( the only reason to own one IMO ) I own x2.
I have a CZ p-10s and p-10f. They are the best out of the box guns on the market today but I like my Sig. I don't know how the striker gets past the block.
@@garymccausland1272 I'm not positively sure as to why , old and new or old issues that wasn't properly diagnosed aside from the earlier triggers on the 320's. Too many current lawsuits for me to feel confident with the Sig. 320 line up. It seems I've faded back to the DA/SA as my preference. Gotta love the CZ p10's though.
You are ignoring the travel required on the trigger to disable the firing pin safety. If your holster is not *perfect,* any rubbing against the side of the trigger shoe can move the trigger the approximate 1mm necessary to disable the firing pin safety. It would then be sitting in your holster live and ready to fire. Any jarring, additional movement of the trigger or pressure from the top which causes the trigger to move will discharge a round. Because there is no inertia safety on the trigger to prevent the trigger from moving due to holster interaction that is why it *can* go off while still in the holster.
@@BoomStickTactical there’s a thing called tolerance. Short of making your own you cannot guarantee your holster won’t cause an issue. You carry it if you want to but it’s not “safe” and that’s the issue. Too many people have had uncommanded discharges.
@@danielwitty8557 Troll, huh? Funny, I think of myself as the opposite. If you really believe what you are saying, would you be so kind as to provide ONE incident from a credible, reasonably, documented source of a discharge without the trigger being depressed?
What about all these reports about the gun magically firing whilst holstered? I i have a 320 and want to carry it but after reading that article, it did plant the seed of doubt in my mind.
Fraudulent lawsuits by detectives and other officers with low-proficiency in firearms handling who negligently discharged their P320 and cannot admit fault because the incident would then not be insured and they could quite likely lose their jobs due to mass incompetence and negligence.
Awesome video! I bought my P320 M-18 in July of 2020 so it should be ok. But I’m going to double check it based on/using your video. I have a manual safety on mine but still want to check it out. Thanks so much for putting this together.
Never had any issues with my P320 but when it comes to absolute safety n reliability, striker fired guns are not as good as a Da/Sa trigger.... my Beretta M9s are the pinnacle of safety
@@DangerRussDayZ6533 That allegation is tired and did not hold any water. It's still not been evidenced that any P320 has ever fired uncommanded. This is a case of ignorance and bandwagon lawsuits from negligent officers who would lose their jobs and have to pay their hospital bills out of pocket if they admitted fault.
The thing I noticed on my two P320s vs my P365 is how the sear interacts with the striker block hand (not sure the technical name, but the part in the frame that pushes up on the block). In both P320 and P365, the sear rests on springs, unlike Glock where the cruciform rests on a solid shelf. I’ve heard that the theory goes, a good bounce could drop the sear. The safety being, that the striker should still be blocked. On my P365, this should hold true. When field stripped, and depressing the sear, the striker block lifter hand doesn’t move. However... on the P320... the striker block hand will lift up, when depressing the sear down by itself with a punch. That being said, I’ve never been able to induce any sear drop when dropping the empty gun from many reasonable heights or angles.
They used the term “voluntary upgrade”, when it reality it is a recall but they don’t want to admit it. That alone is an issue for me. Companies can have lemons or poor designs, but own it if that’s the case and fix it ASAP and let everyone know about it. Don’t just nonchalantly pass it under the rug.
There wasn't a safety issue so there was no need for a recall. If the gun was unsafe and a recall was actually needed, courts would have forced them to. There are still 10's of thousands of original P320s without the upgrade still being used, and some people actually prefer the heavier trigger on those.
@@KirkGoodman at my sheriffs office we had four sig P320’s go off in their safari land holster without being manipulated. One struck a deputy in the leg and his wife had to put a tourniquet on him. But it’s not a safety issue 🤪
@@be4283 Any more lies? Or did you actually believe your colleague's stories about how they weren't responsible for their mishandling of their firearm?
@@KirkGoodman Yeah you’re right the detective that came into my district office after it happened got his finger into a level three holster to pull the trigger. You sound like every other clown that tried to say that when it started happening. How about you do some research? It takes 5 minutes to find out it was happening all over the United States. I guess not everyone is a professional at handling firearms like you 🤪
When pointing out the safety lever and the sear you forgot to point out the 2nd leg or sear surface that will catch the striker if it slips off the sear without the trigger being pulled.
Jared at Guns & Gadgets reported on the lawsuits against Sig for this. What I found interesting was that there were not just a few, but A LOT of separate suits against Sig where the P320 fired AFTER the upgrade, and quite a few other suits regarding post-upgrade manufactured P320's that ALSO fired - and these discharges weren't just from drops! These suits claim that the pistol discharged involuntarily while inside holsters, when laid down (not dropped) on tables, and so forth. Now I dont own a P320 so I don't have a dog in this hunt, but this information that was reported suggests that as far as this model goes, it's fatally flawed straight from the blueprint table. SOMETHING internally is not keeping the pistol safe and it is discharging in multiple situations where it shouldn't be. The fact that Sig is starting to settle all of these cases out of court (including one MASSIVE class-action suit), and keeping mum about all this, speaks volumes. Sig's corporate behavior here has not been good. Rather than being upfront about the issue, they first acted like there wasn't an issue. Then rather than doing a proper recall, their lawyers ginned up this "upgrade" nonsense. A recall without calling it a recall and attempting to avoid the loss of face that comes with a public recall of a model. But Sig's behavior doesn't improve - instead, they continue to publicly deny there's a serious problem, they obviously made changes to the design and manufacture in an attempt to remedy an obvious problem without admitting there's a problem. But still, the problem is not being resolved by design & manufacture changes, which is why I believe the basic design itself is irreparably flawed right from the blueprint stage. Sig should have NEVER released this, imho, but they were in a rush to get this to market and avoid losing market share in the red-hot compact pistol category. This is tortious behavior when you consider that there are so many people who are being injured - sometimes severely - by this pistol. Let's think about this. If a guy is has a P320 that is fully holstered in a holster specifically made for the P320, and without even touching that pistol, it discharges itself while the guy is just sitting there then that's an unsafe firearm PERIOD. And there are MANY instances of this happening, not just one or two. Even more instances without injuries, but still a close call. For this reason I believe the P320 can be rightly dubbed "The Ford Pinto of Guns" - if you're old enough to recall how Ford Pintos were (as Ralph Nader famously pronounced) "unsafe at any speed". No disrespect, but poking around and just looking at the internals on a tabletop video does not actually confirm the safety of a P320. I for one am just going to avoid this particular model completely and if I buy a Sig it will be something else like a P365.
@@BoomStickTactical Don't laugh but ya know what's perfect for me?? The Springfield XDM series. I love their super- aggressive grip pattern (they call it Mega-Lock) and the grip angle for me is perfect.
Took the words right out of my mouth. They couldn't admit there was a problem or they would have lost the militsry contract to glock not to mention LE contracts Does the Remington 700 ring a bell? For yesrs they claimed there was no issue. Then they issue a recall on millions of them and turns out yes it was a issue. That's whats going to happen. Eventually this will turn into a recall as opposed to a voluntary upgrade as legal expenses mount. THey will have to admit it was an issue from the start as Remington did with the 700
So do you still carry it after the responses you’ve gotten in your comments about it ? I have a Texas Ranger one and I’m gonna carry it but I’d like to know if your position is still the same ?
Nice video. I have several p320s most have the vup. After watching your video I went and checked a few things on my 320s. One thing I found is that the 320s that went through the vup seem to have a weak striker return spring. If you push the firing pin block down and the striker forward, in 4 or the 5 I have the striker will not return on its own. The m18 I have, the striker returns by itself. I’m wondering if in the AD the striker didn’t return rendering the firing pin block ineffective. BTW my guns are clean.
Apex Triggers tells Sig stop putting their Triggers in the Upgraded P320s. Apex does not want the Liability for potential Law Suits coming down the pipe, no pun intended
The original P320 pistols as designed and manufactured didn't have a striker (firing pin) block and didn't have an out of battery safety😳 Shocking at this negligence.
Two things that absolutely terrify me. A pistol that doesn't go bang when you press the trigger and a pistol that goes bang when you don't want it to!!! Sig will never get my business.
Just got the 320 and thought I got the one with the manual safety turns out I missed that at the store, is it possible to get a different grip module with a manual safety and install it on this gun ? Or would it need a lot of modifications?
I have not but I haven't carried it in over a year I did use it to escort an unwanted guest out of my house once I'm sure they appreciated the trigger upgrade 😆
I don't think they do but the best way to know for sure is to go to Sig's website and enter the serial number of your gun and they will tell you for sure.
Lots of folks, after being warned, still loved the Hindenburg and was not concerned about riding on her. Something is causing these later unintentional discharges by police officers and I do not believe they are of negligent origin. I refuse to believe it is trigger inertia. Some have discharged inside the holster. The good thing for 320 owners? I am only right about 10% of the time. I am still glad I did not opt for one of these nightmares. Thank you for allowing my opinion. // ji (not a fan boy, I have some of all but this one.
Unfortunately, this platform continues to prove itself to be unsafe. Even with the addition of a manual safety (doesn’t fix the inherent design flaws), and the addition of a second sear. Too bad because I had the opportunity to try the P320 Legion recently and was very impressed with how the gun performed.
Seems to be safe for concealed carry... at least I hope so because I really like this pistol... and since this is what I carry now (Compact in .45 ACP). I'd really hate to shoot myself with a 185 grain hollowpoint.
I did not finish my comment. I returned my 320 to Sig the same day and after a couple weeks, they declared that it was safety checked and within specs. I will never load or fire this pistol again, let alone carry it. Perfect case of a design flaw that is being downplayed.
Well for me being in the market for a new 9mm,my choices are the p320 AXG,Sig p229.or the beretta M9a3,I e done extensive background work on the 320 and really wanted to get it,I have owned or do own several m9’s plus my military background as well as sig P229’s...um fist off any striker fired weapon with a round in the chamber is dangerous,No talking around that,the 229 with a round chambered hammer down has the long double action pull,you gotta want and deliberately fire that weapon and the M9 well there is no comparison as far as safety is concerned...at this point I’d have to erase the 320 off my list barring Sig installing a true safety.shame because otherwise I believe them to be good guns,but I holster my sidearms and frankly not confident in the 320 and if I’m not confident in a weapon it doesn’t come home with me,however I buy and our upgrade every year or two and if I get to the place in my mind Sig 320 is safe for me.i won’t hesitate to add it...balls in Sig’s court...
Yes trigger finger finger is a good safety,soft matter between your ears is a good safety,a decade trying Marines thought me much,except when a holsters pistol involuntarily fires,must have missed that in an errant FMF Manuel
How much is Sig paying you? The original with the out of battery safety cut in the slide was non existent. The older ones are a hand grenade roulette waiting to happen.
Still not safe. I'd feel safer with a hi point. It's a shame could of been a nice gun. They still go off in the holster. You pretty much explained why, the trigger only needs to be depressed slightly to disengage all the safeties. Then a walk to the back of the gun or jarring it hard enough goes boom. A Tampa officer just had his month old 320 go off in his holster, at a highschool basketball games and 20 of the people signed statements, he never pulled the gun out the holster. So he is either a magic or this gun is still unsafe.
Any firearm should be perfect when it's introduced, any recall is simply an indication of sloppy design and oversight on testing. Some defects are less serious than the others but the initial defect found on this pistol is unreasonable in my opinion. My first pistol is a P226 stainless, as soon as I bought it, Sig lost me as a customer. If I want a German design firearm now, I want it made in Germany !
"Is it safe to carry?": Well, if you don't DROP your pistol, ANY pistol is perfectly safe to carry! And if you DO drop your pistol, you deserve a good hard slap upside the head. I've been around handguns since around the time they started putting transfer bars in S&W revolvers. I have carried non-transfer bar revolvers and single action pistols. And if you were a clumsy dumbass and dropped them, there was a chance they might go off. However, in almost 40 years of shooting, I have NEVER dropped a pistol! I HAVE slipped and fallen, and sacrificed my OWN comfort to ensure that the pistol in my hand did NOT get dropped and remained pointed in a safe direction. As usual, instead of training and accountability, everyone wants to blame the gun. No wonder so many of today's pistols have triggers that suck. We're more concerned about the lawyers than we are about the enemy.
I don't believe in GLOCK perfection. I'm more of a better than other guns guy. You don't even need a "perfect" holster because Glock put a cheap plastic thing in the center of the trigger... Debate over safety is a fools errand.
It was never unsafe you clickbaiter hype pusher. There are still 10's of thousands of the original design in use and many people actually enjoy the heavier trigger. Just don't drop it 20 feet onto its backside or strike it with a hammer with extreme force and you will be fine.
Every company had their flaws/allegations. Get over it. Hands down the p320/p365 are still the best moduler guns out of the box. If its a striker fire problem you have, then carry a DA/SA
The upgraded triggers are FAILING. Your giving FALSE Information to your Viewers.Maybe you didn't see Guns&Gadgets videos on Sig P320 trigger issues both Original & Upgraded Triggers
@@BoomStickTactical so all the Law Suits on the Upgraded Triggers is Fake News ? Then Sig should sue all these people on you tube claiming the Upgraded Triggers are Wrong. Did you even watch Guns& Gadgets video on the Upgraded version of the P320 & how it's Failing ?
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Finally someone that takes the time to learn the internal mechanisms of how this works and not just regurgitating none sense. You did a fenomenal job stating what each relevant part does and how they work. Thank you.
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Excellent job sir! I had allot of the same thoughts and looked into it also. One thing I did further was a little "testing" myself. In the safest environment I had a loaded pistol and subjected it to numerous "adverse" handlings. I started by, not wearing it, holstering/upholstering it well over 50 times in all sorts of angles, it was dropped from approx 3' on all angles about 20 times, slammed and banged. Not only did I not get a AD but the pistol took the abuse like it is supposed to. The only damages were some scuffing's in the grip mod.
And just to say that the "testing's" involved multiple sandbags and a ballistic blanket.
Thanks for the review again.
Thanks for watching. I haven't put mine through that much but I don't see an issue with them now.
I like to take things apart and study them. So I really appreciate your teaching. I don’t own a firearm yet but I’ve been looking at the P320 compact for the past 2 months. Now I’m sold. Getting one next month. Thank you much sir.
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This is one of the best video I’ve found on this topic. Thank you!
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I recently bought a P320c , I don’t have it on my hands yet.. but I was a little concerned about this issue been going on in the media… thank you for this helpful information… I feel better now.
Thanks for watching
I just got mine
Great video. My new P320 M18 is on the way so I really appreciate the insight and I now know what to look for and check when it comes in.
They're great guns
I have a P329c constructed in early 2020. I bought it in May of 2020. I have been carrying it since June of the same year, no issues.
There's nothing wrong with them.
Thanks for the detailed information on the P320 upgrade, had recently purchased one not knowing of the defect. Thanks to your video I now know my Sig has been factory upgraded. Thanks again.
You're welcome.
So once is factory upgraded its safe and ready to carry?
@@JoeyB44 it should be fine
There was never a defect. The original design was safe and there was no recall. Sig opted to do an upgrade just to appease the rabid masses who took the hype and ran with it.
@@KirkGoodman Well, there was, but not in the same sense. Due to the mass of the trigger, the gun could fire when dropped at the right angle (the trigger springs were not strong enough to stop the trigger from "pulling itself" due to inertia. Imagine you are in a head on collision with no seat belt, the car is the gun, and you are the trigger). Sig resolved this by reducing the mass of the trigger to 30%, and they might have also made the trigger springs stronger, but I'm unsure about that part. Pre-voluntary upgrade, the P320 was also capable of firing out of battery, which is why they added the battery safety. (You shouldn't be trying to fire a gun that didn't chamber properly anyways, in any gun). Besides the already-fixed drop safety issue, the P320 always was and still is a very safe pistol, and will not go off without someone or something pulling the trigger.
Fantastic video. Thanks for sharing . I have post recall p320s in 9mm, 357 sig and 40 s&w. I have loaded primed cases into the chambers of all 3 calibers and tried my best to make it accidentally fire while inside and out it several holsters and nothing that I could do would make it fire short of pulling the trigger.
I think they're safe but the issue has caused a lot of people to stay away from Sig altogether.
@@BoomStickTactical Not really. Sig Sauer is even more popular now than ever. Go to any gun store and ask how many P320s they sell. Usually they don't have them in stock for even 2 days before being sold. They can't keep P320 parts in stock in many places and even the magazines are hard to find in stores. People staying away from the brand are doing so out of ignorance and perhaps pride. I see a lot of Glock fans that smear Sig Sauer out of what can only be described as jealousy.
Thank you for the great video man it was very helpful ! I just received mine and it seems to be having a disconnect or issue so it was very helpful to see your video to compare the trigger assembly. Great video man thank you
Thanks for watching. Is yours one of the newer models? Sig should repair it for you
BoomStick Tactical yes I believe so. I checked the serial on sigs website and it said this model wasn’t recalled. My disconnector has LOTS of play and rattles around 😳 I juts emailed them about that . I got the 320 x compact rxp. Also the “MOTAC “ malfunctions On mine. Doesn’t turn on after drawn from the holster and stays on until I manually shut it off. Pretty bummed because I really wanted to carry this but I can’t trust it right now haha. Hopefully they can fix my issues. Thanks again brother keep making great videos. I’ll subscribe now 👍🏽
I just purchased a P320 AXG Scorpion for my edc. This video is great man! Very thorough when describing the safties. Definitely feel comfortable carrying it knowing those blocks and disconnects are there. Thanks again for the great content!
Thanks for watching. The Sig is a great gun, especially now.
Hell yeah bro. The AXG grip is something special. Don't listen to the haters and ignorant people sullying the name of Sig Sauer.
Thanks for this video it really gave me some confidence in my p320.
Sigs are a great gun
Excellent information sir, I just bought the same exact gun. It's a perfect match to my m17.
I'm glad to help. Thanks for watching.
I own two P 320 pistols both have the factory upgrades I carry a P 320 every time I leave home I own glocks Smith&wesson and H&K handguns the sig is my go to edc gun
They're great guns
Thank you for taking the time to demonstrate the firing process. I was looking at my M18 and could see there were multiple safety features in-place to prevent all but the most unlikely circumstances. I use my thumb safety and practice flicking it off when drawing. I'm not concerned with my M18. Also, I NEVER carry chambered!
I've seen other videos where they almost destroy the gun trying to get an updated/newer gun to fire and could not. That said, if there is a chance of an issue, SIG needs to fix it!
These guns are fine.
thank you much, i just purchased one just last week 01/ 2022 (full size) makes me feel a whole let better knowing this, thanks for the great video man!!!!!!
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Jeff, I’m looking at buying one. How is the trigger. Using it as my edc.
@@cactustex666 they're great. Very good trigger.
@@BoomStickTactical just ordered it. Coming Tuesday.✅
I was heavily against striker fire pistols, after watching this video i finally understand the safety mechanisms it has and now i’m looking at it for my first carry gun when i get a CCW
I have a video that gives a few suggestions.
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i have both glocks and sig and i truely believe the glock is the safest pistol there is, sig is single action
@@zozo_letsplayz850 The funny thing about belief is it doesn't rely on knowledge.
Thanks for the video...you have cleared up some misunderstandings about the P320 firearm...
Glad to help
Got my first Sig and this video did a great job with my confidence with this weapon. To many talked bad about this weapon for going off on it on. See now was just people being negative on the band wagon.
Sig is a great gun. Congrats on your purchase
thank you for your time and for this great info.
Thanks for watching
Facts, not fiction. Well done, sir 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Thanks
I've got a newer video where I show more details about the safety
Great video strait to the point. Thank you for posting
Thanks for watching. I've got a newer video on it on my channel.
I went one step further and bought a extra back plate, cut the bottom off so I could stick a small screw driver into the back of the pistol and force the striker off of the sear (without pulling the trigger) and the striker catches on a ledge that is designed to keep the pistol from firing.
There's also the firing pin block that will not let the firing pin reach the primer of the round.
when you say you "force the striker off of the sear," do you mean you brought the striker up and over the sear (in its ready location) or dropped the sear below the striker hook (the part that touches the sear)? Genuinely curious
Thanks for the informative video. It's refreshing to see someone do some intelligent research before forming an opinion. Thanks again.
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It’s my understanding that the issue is two fold… main issue is that the mount of trigger travel needed to disengage the captive safety is some thing like 1.5mm which is negligible… far less than 365… that alone is enough to cause an ND just with build up of gunk or slightly work or tightly fitting holster… the disaster is exacerbated by rapid manufacturing process that in some firearms causssnthe mechanisms to not be well polished and friction alone would prevent captive safety and sear to work together causing the gun to fire. Something tells me that sig will continue to make changes to the firing mechanism as time goes on… they just need to acknowledge those changes!
There would be physical evidence to support that. If there is, I want to see it myself
Well done and professionally
Thanks
Pretty hard to beat a firing pin block.... my SP-01 has one. Thanks for the vid!!!
Thanks for watching.
All those concerns disappeared when I replaced my P320 x compact with a CZ P07. I fell in love again. I LOVED MY 320X COMPACT just didn't feel comfortable carrying hot, IWB appendix. I'll take a CZ over any Glock, ANY DAY! Glocks are dependable and accurate ( the only reason to own one IMO ) I own x2.
You should only carry a gun you feel comfortable with
I have a CZ p-10s and p-10f. They are the best out of the box guns on the market today but I like my Sig. I don't know how the striker gets past the block.
@@garymccausland1272 I'm not positively sure as to why , old and new or old issues that wasn't properly diagnosed aside from the earlier triggers on the 320's. Too many current lawsuits for me to feel confident with the Sig. 320 line up. It seems I've faded back to the DA/SA as my preference. Gotta love the CZ p10's though.
I was worried about mine i bought a couple years ago. But I checked and it has all the same safety features.
All of them sold today have the upgrades. It's hard to find one of the older ones on the used market now.
You are ignoring the travel required on the trigger to disable the firing pin safety. If your holster is not *perfect,* any rubbing against the side of the trigger shoe can move the trigger the approximate 1mm necessary to disable the firing pin safety. It would then be sitting in your holster live and ready to fire. Any jarring, additional movement of the trigger or pressure from the top which causes the trigger to move will discharge a round. Because there is no inertia safety on the trigger to prevent the trigger from moving due to holster interaction that is why it *can* go off while still in the holster.
That's why I don't buy cheap holsters
@@BoomStickTactical there’s a thing called tolerance. Short of making your own you cannot guarantee your holster won’t cause an issue. You carry it if you want to but it’s not “safe” and that’s the issue. Too many people have had uncommanded discharges.
@@danielwitty8557 I’d love to see a list of verified uncommanded discharges. I cannot find a single, verified incident.
@@georgemajors1 ruclips.net/video/-SBpZBs3foA/видео.html. You’re a troll there’s plenty of evidence out there. You’re choosing not to look
@@danielwitty8557 Troll, huh? Funny, I think of myself as the opposite. If you really believe what you are saying, would you be so kind as to provide ONE incident from a credible, reasonably, documented source of a discharge without the trigger being depressed?
Very informative thank you very much
Thanks for watching
@@BoomStickTactical thank you for making an informative and nonbias videos with good facts and not just a I saw it happen on RUclips so its shitty
Thanks.
thanks for your video
Thanks for watching. I've got a newer video that shows more details about the safeties in the gun.
@@BoomStickTactical please can you share the link thanks
What about all these reports about the gun magically firing whilst holstered? I i have a 320 and want to carry it but after reading that article, it did plant the seed of doubt in my mind.
I've had mine apart examining the internal components. I think it is fine
Fraudulent lawsuits by detectives and other officers with low-proficiency in firearms handling who negligently discharged their P320 and cannot admit fault because the incident would then not be insured and they could quite likely lose their jobs due to mass incompetence and negligence.
Negligent discharges and wrong holster. Using p220 holster when they don’t fit right and there was another shitty brand that could catch the trigger.
Awesome video! I bought my P320 M-18 in July of 2020 so it should be ok. But I’m going to double check it based on/using your video. I have a manual safety on mine but still want to check it out. Thanks so much for putting this together.
It should be fine if it's a new gun.
Never had any issues with my P320 but when it comes to absolute safety n reliability, striker fired guns
are not as good as a Da/Sa trigger.... my Beretta M9s are the pinnacle of safety
When you look into the mechanics of how they work, most striker fired guns are just as safe.
Striker fired guns are safe. Sig put out an unsafe product
@@DangerRussDayZ6533 they sure did, should've looked at glocks closer
@@DangerRussDayZ6533 That allegation is tired and did not hold any water. It's still not been evidenced that any P320 has ever fired uncommanded. This is a case of ignorance and bandwagon lawsuits from negligent officers who would lose their jobs and have to pay their hospital bills out of pocket if they admitted fault.
My P320 Compact discharged in my bedroom AFTER the voluntary upgrade. My finger was nowhere near the trigger it trigger guard
Tell it to the judge.
@@KirkGoodman Plenty of people are doing just that, and maybe eventually Sig will get the message.
@@The-Armed-Pacifist Yea, Sig will counter sue people for filing fraudulent lawsuits and harming their reputation.
@@KirkGoodman You think so? Please send my a copy of any of those countersuit documents. It is only slander or lible if the accusation is not true.
I want to see a breakdown of the gun and the parts that failed.
Thanks very detailed and informative ! So how are you making out concealing the sig?
I don't have any issues when I carry this one. I usually carry OWB with a shirt over it. Guns are everywhere here. Very common to see people carrying.
The thing I noticed on my two P320s vs my P365 is how the sear interacts with the striker block hand (not sure the technical name, but the part in the frame that pushes up on the block). In both P320 and P365, the sear rests on springs, unlike Glock where the cruciform rests on a solid shelf. I’ve heard that the theory goes, a good bounce could drop the sear. The safety being, that the striker should still be blocked. On my P365, this should hold true. When field stripped, and depressing the sear, the striker block lifter hand doesn’t move. However... on the P320... the striker block hand will lift up, when depressing the sear down by itself with a punch. That being said, I’ve never been able to induce any sear drop when dropping the empty gun from many reasonable heights or angles.
Is your gun been through the upgrade program?
BoomStick Tactical Both new x series made in 2020
They used the term “voluntary upgrade”, when it reality it is a recall but they don’t want to admit it. That alone is an issue for me. Companies can have lemons or poor designs, but own it if that’s the case and fix it ASAP and let everyone know about it. Don’t just nonchalantly pass it under the rug.
Companies usually do that.
There wasn't a safety issue so there was no need for a recall. If the gun was unsafe and a recall was actually needed, courts would have forced them to. There are still 10's of thousands of original P320s without the upgrade still being used, and some people actually prefer the heavier trigger on those.
@@KirkGoodman at my sheriffs office we had four sig P320’s go off in their safari land holster without being manipulated. One struck a deputy in the leg and his wife had to put a tourniquet on him. But it’s not a safety issue 🤪
@@be4283 Any more lies? Or did you actually believe your colleague's stories about how they weren't responsible for their mishandling of their firearm?
@@KirkGoodman Yeah you’re right the detective that came into my district office after it happened got his finger into a level three holster to pull the trigger. You sound like every other clown that tried to say that when it started happening. How about you do some research? It takes 5 minutes to find out it was happening all over the United States. I guess not everyone is a professional at handling firearms like you 🤪
When pointing out the safety lever and the sear you forgot to point out the 2nd leg or sear surface that will catch the striker if it slips off the sear without the trigger being pulled.
Very true. The older ones don't have that either if I remember correctly
True
Jared at Guns & Gadgets reported on the lawsuits against Sig for this. What I found interesting was that there were not just a few, but A LOT of separate suits against Sig where the P320 fired AFTER the upgrade, and quite a few other suits regarding post-upgrade manufactured P320's that ALSO fired - and these discharges weren't just from drops! These suits claim that the pistol discharged involuntarily while inside holsters, when laid down (not dropped) on tables, and so forth.
Now I dont own a P320 so I don't have a dog in this hunt, but this information that was reported suggests that as far as this model goes, it's fatally flawed straight from the blueprint table. SOMETHING internally is not keeping the pistol safe and it is discharging in multiple situations where it shouldn't be. The fact that Sig is starting to settle all of these cases out of court (including one MASSIVE class-action suit), and keeping mum about all this, speaks volumes. Sig's corporate behavior here has not been good.
Rather than being upfront about the issue, they first acted like there wasn't an issue. Then rather than doing a proper recall, their lawyers ginned up this "upgrade" nonsense. A recall without calling it a recall and attempting to avoid the loss of face that comes with a public recall of a model. But Sig's behavior doesn't improve - instead, they continue to publicly deny there's a serious problem, they obviously made changes to the design and manufacture in an attempt to remedy an obvious problem without admitting there's a problem. But still, the problem is not being resolved by design & manufacture changes, which is why I believe the basic design itself is irreparably flawed right from the blueprint stage. Sig should have NEVER released this, imho, but they were in a rush to get this to market and avoid losing market share in the red-hot compact pistol category. This is tortious behavior when you consider that there are so many people who are being injured - sometimes severely - by this pistol.
Let's think about this. If a guy is has a P320 that is fully holstered in a holster specifically made for the P320, and without even touching that pistol, it discharges itself while the guy is just sitting there then that's an unsafe firearm PERIOD. And there are MANY instances of this happening, not just one or two. Even more instances without injuries, but still a close call. For this reason I believe the P320 can be rightly dubbed "The Ford Pinto of Guns" - if you're old enough to recall how Ford Pintos were (as Ralph Nader famously pronounced) "unsafe at any speed". No disrespect, but poking around and just looking at the internals on a tabletop video does not actually confirm the safety of a P320. I for one am just going to avoid this particular model completely and if I buy a Sig it will be something else like a P365.
Hopefully Sig will get it worked out
@@BoomStickTactical Me too, I like Sig over Glock. Also, I love Sig's V-Crown premium defense ammo. Quality hollowpoints!
I like the way Sig feels in my hand and it's very accurate
@@BoomStickTactical Don't laugh but ya know what's perfect for me?? The Springfield XDM series. I love their super- aggressive grip pattern (they call it Mega-Lock) and the grip angle for me is perfect.
Took the words right out of my mouth. They couldn't admit there was a problem or they would have lost the militsry contract to glock not to mention LE contracts
Does the Remington 700 ring a bell? For yesrs they claimed there was no issue. Then they issue a recall on millions of them and turns out yes it was a issue. That's whats going to happen. Eventually this will turn into a recall as opposed to a voluntary upgrade as legal expenses mount. THey will have to admit it was an issue from the start as Remington did with the 700
So do you still carry it after the responses you’ve gotten in your comments about it ? I have a Texas Ranger one and I’m gonna carry it but I’d like to know if your position is still the same ?
Yes I still carry it every so often. They're fine.
Nice video. I have several p320s most have the vup. After watching your video I went and checked a few things on my 320s. One thing I found is that the 320s that went through the vup seem to have a weak striker return spring. If you push the firing pin block down and the striker forward, in 4 or the 5 I have the striker will not return on its own. The m18 I have, the striker returns by itself. I’m wondering if in the AD the striker didn’t return rendering the firing pin block ineffective. BTW my guns are clean.
A lot of the changes was also to keep the trigger from being worse. The spring on mine seems fine fut I don't have an older one to compare to
No doubt the trigger in my m18 is heavier. I don’t know if that’s the striker return spring or not.
Thank you for that info
Thanks for watching
Apex Triggers tells Sig stop putting their Triggers in the Upgraded P320s. Apex does not want the Liability for potential Law Suits coming down the pipe, no pun intended
First I've heard of that.
The original P320 pistols as designed and manufactured didn't have a striker (firing pin) block and didn't have an out of battery safety😳
Shocking at this negligence.
I think they've got it right now.
Out of curiosity, what is the grip size? Is it CM or just M? Really random to ask but I must know please.
I believe this is the compact medium. Its close in size to the Glock 19.
@@BoomStickTactical thank you very much brother
The stock comes in medium u can also switch the module to a larger or smaller frame
Two things that absolutely terrify me. A pistol that doesn't go bang when you press the trigger and a pistol that goes bang when you don't want it to!!! Sig will never get my business.
Sig pistols are fine. The problem is fixed.
I prefer my hammer fired Sig P250
Thanks for the thoughtful and detailed look at the P320. Emotional opinions are not worth the paper they are not written on.
Thanks for watching. I wanted to know exactly what is going on with the gun.
Did the 320m17 had the same issue?? Or only the p320?
That was were it was first discovered
Just got the 320 and thought I got the one with the manual safety turns out I missed that at the store, is it possible to get a different grip module with a manual safety and install it on this gun ? Or would it need a lot of modifications?
The manual safety is part of the fire control group.
The Milwaukee Police association is suing the Milwaukee Police department to replace their sig p32s. This is September of 2022
And they've never shown evidence of mechanical failure in one of the guns.
Would you appendix carry this pistol i have a newer p320 compact in 40 s&w
I never appendix carry anything. However, the gun is fine
@@BoomStickTactical thanks
My 320 carry went through the voluntary upgrade
Any issues?
I have not but I haven't carried it in over a year I did use it to escort an unwanted guest out of my house once I'm sure they appreciated the trigger upgrade 😆
I've been wounding too about the Agency arms safety tabbed trigger I hear alot of people talking negatively about it
How is that new barrel vs the older style one with the angled cut ?
The whole gun works fine.
@@BoomStickTactical nice, thanks for the response.
I have a m17 320 that I purchased in 2018, does this version have the same issue?
I don't think they do but the best way to know for sure is to go to Sig's website and enter the serial number of your gun and they will tell you for sure.
What year should I be looking for so I don’t get the miss fire one
Stay away from Amy of them that have a fat trigger. 2018 and later should be fine
Sig also has a place in their website to see the f your serial was in that issue range.
...good job bro, i have sig m18, God bless you
Great guns. Thanks for watching
This gun both original & upgraded versions cost Sig Millions of dollars in Law Suits & there are 15 pending suits that haven't been settled
Read the specifics of the cases. Glock faced similar suits in the 80s.
Lots of folks, after being warned, still loved the Hindenburg and was not concerned about riding on her.
Something is causing these later unintentional discharges by police officers and I do not believe they are of negligent origin.
I refuse to believe it is trigger inertia. Some have discharged inside the holster.
The good thing for 320 owners? I am only right about 10% of the time. I am still glad I did not opt for one of these nightmares.
Thank you for allowing my opinion. // ji (not a fan boy, I have some of all but this one.
I'm curious to hear any details about the newer ones going off. I keep my ears open for that but haven't heard the specific reasons for the newer guns
What is “out of battery”?
Slide slightly back
Unfortunately, this platform continues to prove itself to be unsafe. Even with the addition of a manual safety (doesn’t fix the inherent design flaws), and the addition of a second sear. Too bad because I had the opportunity to try the P320 Legion recently and was very impressed with how the gun performed.
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@ there certainly is. I’ve repeatedly tried posting a link to my documented evidence, but YT or your channel is not allowing it.
Short answer: YES.
Yes it is and I'm going to be doing an updated video getting more into the details.
Seems to be safe for concealed carry... at least I hope so because I really like this pistol... and since this is what I carry now (Compact in .45 ACP). I'd really hate to shoot myself with a 185 grain hollowpoint.
They're fine
I did not finish my comment. I returned my 320 to Sig the same day and after a couple weeks, they declared that it was safety checked and within specs. I will never load or fire this pistol again, let alone carry it. Perfect case of a design flaw that is being downplayed.
I've heard that about a couple of them that were sent in. I've not heard that about the newly manufactured models.
Well for me being in the market for a new 9mm,my choices are the p320 AXG,Sig p229.or the beretta M9a3,I e done extensive background work on the 320 and really wanted to get it,I have owned or do own several m9’s plus my military background as well as sig P229’s...um fist off any striker fired weapon with a round in the chamber is dangerous,No talking around that,the 229 with a round chambered hammer down has the long double action pull,you gotta want and deliberately fire that weapon and the M9 well there is no comparison as far as safety is concerned...at this point I’d have to erase the 320 off my list barring Sig installing a true safety.shame because otherwise I believe them to be good guns,but I holster my sidearms and frankly not confident in the 320 and if I’m not confident in a weapon it doesn’t come home with me,however I buy and our upgrade every year or two and if I get to the place in my mind Sig 320 is safe for me.i won’t hesitate to add it...balls in Sig’s court...
No one should carry any gun they're not confident in.
Your safety is a good trigger finger and proper gun handling.
@@BoomStickTactical I agree. But what if someone's confidence is faltered by incorrect information and speculation?
Yes trigger finger finger is a good safety,soft matter between your ears is a good safety,a decade trying Marines thought me much,except when a holsters pistol involuntarily fires,must have missed that in an errant FMF Manuel
I could never trust one of those
The newer ones are fine. I'm going to be doing an updated video showing in more detail what would need to fail for the gun to go off.
How much is Sig paying you? The original with the out of battery safety cut in the slide was non existent. The older ones are a hand grenade roulette waiting to happen.
They're paying me nothing.
Still not safe. I'd feel safer with a hi point. It's a shame could of been a nice gun. They still go off in the holster. You pretty much explained why, the trigger only needs to be depressed slightly to disengage all the safeties. Then a walk to the back of the gun or jarring it hard enough goes boom. A Tampa officer just had his month old 320 go off in his holster, at a highschool basketball games and 20 of the people signed statements, he never pulled the gun out the holster. So he is either a magic or this gun is still unsafe.
Theres nothing wrong with them
All that being said great video but the 320s are still not drop safe
No one should carry a gun they're not completely comfortable with
HOLD THE GUN STILL!!!
Is it the gun or the camera
do the hammer test to really confirm.
No. Guns are too expensive
Any firearm should be perfect when it's introduced, any recall is simply an indication of sloppy design and oversight on testing. Some defects are less serious than the others but the initial defect found on this pistol is unreasonable in my opinion. My first pistol is a P226 stainless, as soon as I bought it, Sig lost me as a customer. If I want a German design firearm now, I want it made in Germany !
Are you looking to sale your p226 then?
There was never a recall or defect.
Nothing wrong with Sig
People that act like only the German made p226’s are worth buying and not the new ones are full of it. Seriously. Mine is flawless.
Nope. Shouldn’t even be making a video “is it safe for CCW”. That answers your question.
It was made to show they are fine. There were claims about Glock when they first came out as well.
I have the .45 variant .. I've yet to have it go off without my consent...nor have I caught a .45 acp to the ass cheek..
It won't go off until you pull the trigger
"Is it safe to carry?": Well, if you don't DROP your pistol, ANY pistol is perfectly safe to carry! And if you DO drop your pistol, you deserve a good hard slap upside the head.
I've been around handguns since around the time they started putting transfer bars in S&W revolvers. I have carried non-transfer bar revolvers and single action pistols. And if you were a clumsy dumbass and dropped them, there was a chance they might go off. However, in almost 40 years of shooting, I have NEVER dropped a pistol! I HAVE slipped and fallen, and sacrificed my OWN comfort to ensure that the pistol in my hand did NOT get dropped and remained pointed in a safe direction.
As usual, instead of training and accountability, everyone wants to blame the gun. No wonder so many of today's pistols have triggers that suck. We're more concerned about the lawyers than we are about the enemy.
There is a legitimate issue with the older version that makes it les safe compared to the updated version. I did an update on this on my channel
I don't believe in GLOCK perfection. I'm more of a better than other guns guy. You don't even need a "perfect" holster because Glock put a cheap plastic thing in the center of the trigger...
Debate over safety is a fools errand.
They're a reliable gun
@@BoomStickTactical yes they are. And they don't fire for no reason🤦🏾♂️
It is safe. People just look for targets of opportunity. People like free money.
I'm sure that is part of it also
While youre not wrong, youre also wrong. People being worried about safety of a gun is a legit question.
@Jeremey Allen - No, people are worried about getting shot by their own P320, I guess they don't like bleeding to death from their femoral artery.
Not gonna stop me from grabbing an m18 next week
You don't have anything to worry about. I did an update
It was never unsafe you clickbaiter hype pusher. There are still 10's of thousands of the original design in use and many people actually enjoy the heavier trigger. Just don't drop it 20 feet onto its backside or strike it with a hammer with extreme force and you will be fine.
That's the point of the video
@@BoomStickTactical To clickbait and ride off hype?
It's reputation is forever tarnished. I will never be comfortable shooting or carrying it. Plus it's not even that good a shooter. Thanks for the vid.
Thanks for watching. It certainly isn't a good image for Sig to have but the the guns are fine now.
Every company had their flaws/allegations. Get over it. Hands down the p320/p365 are still the best moduler guns out of the box. If its a striker fire problem you have, then carry a DA/SA
The upgraded triggers are FAILING.
Your giving FALSE Information to your Viewers.Maybe you didn't see Guns&Gadgets videos on Sig P320 trigger issues both Original & Upgraded Triggers
There's nothing wrong with the newer guns. I've had mine apart several times and have no worries carrying it with a loaded chamber.
@@BoomStickTactical so all the Law Suits on the Upgraded Triggers is Fake News ? Then Sig should sue all these people on you tube claiming the Upgraded Triggers are Wrong. Did you even watch
Guns& Gadgets video on the Upgraded version of the P320 & how it's Failing ?
@@thepatriotsrock2 oddly all the failures are cops.. Im sure it's just ND and they don't want to do the paper work so they say it's the gun
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