Larry Vickers Podcast Ep. 11: SIG P320 Presented by Firearms Trainers Association
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- Опубликовано: 16 ноя 2020
- In this episode Larry looks at the history and development of the Sig P320, its adoption by the U.S. Army and some of the new Wilson Combat versions of the 320.
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I could listen to Larry Vickers read Gun Digest aloud for an hour.
Same. Larry seems like he’d be the uncle I never had lol. Just wants to talk about guns and mods all day.
I could listen to LAV read cereal boxes. Lmao Love this guy
Larry, if you will have Ken get a hold of me... he will remember me as cowboy from FRIENDLY WV.
cowboy_rick_2000@yahoo.com
I would love to reconnect with him. I met him through John Underwood and Ken took me under his wing because I guess I could shoot at the time.
You mean fifty shades of gray
These podcasts are great. The wealth of knowledge is unparalleled. I hope you keep making these videos.
I could listen to Larry talk guns for hours, so knowledgeable, and interesting.
Agreed! Awesome review and my goto when I need an honest review of a product and I couldn’t agree with him more on the p320. I just got my M18 and I absolutely love it and love the way it shoot regardless of wht people say about height over bore it shoots like a dream and yes it has a lil muzzle flip but it’s easily mitigated if u knw how to hold the pistol right. I’m bout to buy the Wilson combat grip and it’s hard for my to think the M18 could shoot any better but they say the Wilson grip can improve on it.
I haven’t watched or seen Larry for years and man does he look different. For the better looks healthier!
Great video Larry. I am really enjoying these Pod Casts. Thanks for taking the time for sharing some knowledge with us.
It is always a great pleasure listening to your firearms wisdom. Thank you, Larry, appreciated 💪🏼😎🇺🇲
I've recently acquired an M17 and I'm extremely happy with its performance and reliability. It easily has become my "go to" for my home defense pistol. 🤙🤙🤙🤙
Very nice job, LAV!
This is one helluva platform.
Thank you!
Very nice explanation of the Sig lineup and options. Keep up the great content, it’s well appreciated.
Great video. Lead me down another rabbit hole. Enjoying the discovery.
Great informational video as always Larry.
Great Review Larry!
Thank you for share your knowledge!
Great video. You have to love a state that's home to Sig and who's motto is Live Free or Die.
Thanks for this episode, was overwhelmed by how many combos of this gun there are out there lol
I agree with you on ALL upgrades on the P320 but I love the Mirzom grip... Just an awesome purchase in your hand ...
These podcasts are fire🔥
Hey Larry hope your Christmas was good . Love your knowledge and vids.
Digging these Podcasts
Well said! Thank you very much
Excellent video. I hope he continues these series. The P320 has been my primary EDC. I moved to the Sig platform from Glock about two years ago and since invested in the platform. I love that the modularity allows one to build their own version. Mine started as a P320 compact. A Wilson compact grip module, Apex flat trigger, after market night sights has made the pistol that I enjoy. It has been very reliable and a pistol I have confidence in to defend.
Just bought another 320 in 9mm this time. Added the Wilson grip module and the flat trigger from Sig and it's great. I was surprised to learn Wilson leaves the internals of the 320 alone when they build the WC320. Says a lot for Sig that Wilson doesn't have to change anything. Thanks for all you do, brother. Charlie Mike
I love this man.
The first 15 rounds shot out of my SIG P320RXc went into the same hole at 8 yards....1500 rounds later the only Glock I own is the G22 I was given when I retired from the State Troopers (the serial number is my badge number). With my Compensated SIG P320 X5 Full size I can almost put 17 into the same hole from a rest at 25 yards.....and both pistols are 100% reliable!!!!!!
I took a Carbine/Pistol class from LAV back in early 2020 and used my issue P320. Another shooter in the class had one and a third had an X5. LAV noticed we happened to be the best shooters in the class and was marveled at the P320 series as he wasn't as familiar with them. Maybe our class got the bug started with him. I look forward to training with him again.
Great podcast
Informative
Nice overview, just did a review of the P320 FCU you speak of:)
Always the best and unbiased info from Mr Vickers
Love those gun volumes.
I have carried the p32oc with the x-carry grip to run the full size mags and I love it switched from glock and never looked back love it and it shoots perfect never had an issue I hope you make a ton of stuff for the p320 love your products and there is a giant market there is not as many options as glock out there for the 320 would love a vickers modded p320 THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE FOR US LARRY I would love to see a modded take down pin as well I have same style grip as you and it is very rough on the thumb
The flat trigger would be useful as it wouldn’t force your finger towards the center and would allow you to pull the trigger from whatever your natural finger placement would be. I wonder whether that’s higher or lower than centerline for Larry and most people
I got your “ solid number two “ right here!
Agree on the shorter carry frame on the full size, the full dust cover frame does look goofy to me as well.
Great show. I think we may have bumped into each other overseas in 2003. You may have been with a dude that went by “BOSS” heading north.
FDE is an M18, but it isn't. The M18 has a full-length grip that takes 17 round mags. The military does not have a Glock 19 sized P320. They have a Glock 19 sized slide with a Glock 17 length grip. All of the military mags fit both the M17 and M18
Just picked up a legion I love these guns I own 3 so far
Great video as always! Love listening to Larry’s advice. Speaking of mag springs the most ridiculously overpowered spring I’ve ever seen is the damn magpul Glock mags. Those are honestly to the point of being stupid. Hell staying at even ten rounds they about break your thumbs to keep loading them. Completely stupid mags.
I've had the P320 carry for quite some time and it's an awsome firearm. Just purchased the P320X compact and added a Romeo 1Pro. Great package.i think glock will always be the king.but I do prefer the Sig p320. much more options and I shoot it much better.thanks for the video.
Found a frame 6 months ago and it only cost me 20 dollars, yard sale, found other treasures. The frame I found is like the fde you have on your table. Going to eventually will get it put together.
Mr Vickers, you would love the Shadow Systems MR 920 Elite.
Great episode. My X-Carry version of the P320 has slightly larger slide release levers than the standard model and no fencing around them. The Wilson frames, I notice, also have no fences. I prefer mine to be 'fenced' to avoid snagging. Comments?
I know the comment is a year old but maybe other people are wondering this as well.
I have a P320 Full with the Wilson extended slide release on the Wilson full sized grip module, and I haven't really had any snagging issues. No issues with holster fitment, catching on garments, or pinching soft tissues while carrying concealed. What does occasionally happen is I accidentally thumb the lever while in a 2 handed shooting grip, and the slide fails to lock back after the last round is fired. It's not that hard to slightly modify my grip to accommodate though.
I made the switch to the extended slide release because with the low profile stock one, I was unable to properly thumb the release lever when shooting with my support hand. When considering self defense situations where my right hand might be occupied or injured, it seemed prudent to have actual ambidextrous controls.
Check out P80 if you're looking for an exceptional P320 frame with a 1911 grip and out of the box aggressive texture.
I checked one out and shot it when it was selected by DOD. It was a’ight, but I wasn’t blown away by it (pun intended)
"Accurate & Dead-Ass Reliable". 20:19. Sig Sauer needs to include a window sticker in every gun purchase that says that.
The sig armorer tool is a must have for the P320. It helps with everything including the takedown lever.
I have an armorer tool for mine. I call them hands
Would love to see you do a legion X five review
@FTAProtect - I wonder if Larry Vickers knows that Sig didn't invent or innovate the modular chassis, it was Steyr, and Sig (just like Glock did with the H&K's striker polymer) decided to market it and run it as their own so called "innovation" design.
Thanks for another great video Larry. I think a VT aftermarket magazine spring for the P320 might be a big hit. The only option I know of currently is buy a whole new OEM magazine, and they’re not cheap.
Larry...can you call up Bill Wilson and tell him to start pushing some of those P320's with an optic ready slide out to the market? What's the hold up?
Sig now offers their own version of gas pedal/takedown lever that looks like a piece of gum. Armory Craft offers gas pedal that looks almost factory, but with an angled ledge you can rest your support thumb on.
The armory craft one feels nice and functions well. Only downside is it somewhat limits holster options, but the same can be said of the gas pedal as well.
If Vickers made an extended thumb safety for the P365 lineup I'd be first in line. I'm worried that by riding the safety I'll induce a malfunction by pressing my thumb against the slide.
Check out the GoGun USA Gas Pedal Takedown Lever. I have them on both of my 320s. I love it
Its so much better!
I recently acquired a p320 and man I feel dirty saying this, but I think I like it more than my glock. I've always been a G19 guy, but something about that p320 in that Wilson combat frame is money for me. I shoot it so much better than my glock.
One of the great things about Sig’s modularity and being able to change out the frame, is you can stipple it yourself .... if you f^€k it up .... you can buy another one for $35-$65.
I'm not sure how uninstall the mag catch, but installing it was easy!:P
I don't remember Sig recalling anything, I do remember Sig telling everyone that bought the defective P365 they could send it back for a "voluntary upgrade". I had a buddy that worked in a local gun shop for years prior to the P365 coming out and he told me that the most returned new guns from his store for warranty work was Sig. To Sig's credit they always returned the guns to the owners fully functional, but they never admitted anything was ever wrong with the gun or that they did anything but test fire it. Another friend of mine bought the first Sig P227 that came through town, he worked at a gun store that had an indoor range and took it right to the range. My dear departed friend was a Viet Nam vet Marine that used to teach pistol shooting when he was in the military, after Viet Nam he became a police officer and started out as a patrolmen and retiring as a detective, now when he ran the first magazine through the gun it shot 18" to the left at 7 yards, he tried 3 different kinds of ammo, had two other experienced shooters try the gun with the same results. They tried drifting the rear sight with no luck. When he contacted Sig they had him return it so the could check it out, when they got the gun back he contacted them and they told him the gun shot perfectly and that they were returning it to him, when he got it back the gun did fire perfect and it had a different barrel in it. Why should I trust a company that does such things???
They updated the triggers for a drop safety problem. The old guns had a thicker trigger compared to the newly updated ones.
That sounds like crown damage if it is shooting that far left.
You know another company that does a lot of stuff that you're mentioning... Glock. they coined the phrase voluntary upgrade they don't recall guns either. P320 had its problems and still might have a little bit of growing pains but that's what happens when you actually try to innovate.
Failure to perform the intended innovation isn't innovation at all. It's failure. The P320 is a junker. XCarry Legion is the sorriest suppressor host I've ever purchased. Might as well be a Welrod. Don't waste your money if you wanna shoot suppressed. Unless you're cool with racking the slide before you pull the trigger. 226/229 are BA, though.
Thanks Larry... great job. I own 2 P320's and love them. How would you compare the Legion to the Wilson Combat?
Which ones do you have? My mom just got a full size rxp... she said it was comfortable 😕... I thought maybe I should get a p320 rxp instead of voiding the warranty on my first gen M&P putting an optic on it.
Do you really have to ask. Wilson combat on everything
Having owned both there is zero comparison. Sell those two 320s of yours and buy a WC.
@@KatoCoyoteCombatWorkshop Are you referring to a WC 1911
Uh... no.
The Sig 320 is a fantastic gun. Top notch. I just personally can’t get accustomed to how high the bore axis is. Feels so awkward.
I love my x5 p320 no mods required by me accurate and perfect out of the box
I have a M18 can I delete the Manual Safety to make it like the civillian p320?
Sig 320 is an awesome gun, I've owned one since 2017, carried it for LEO duty, and it has been a stellar performer. I love mine.
Sig P320 Pro Series was like $535 in 2019. Came optic ready, X frame, X Ray sights, flat trigger etc. Essentially same gun now costs $1300
hope you bought yours in 2019! 😊
a lot guns are like that now.....
Sir, just wondering when you were an operator, do you trained to hold your pistol with the thumbs forward grip, or do you hold your semi-auto pistol in a revolver grip with one thumb on top of the other. A vet told me that in real-life combat, that's how they hold their semi-auto pistol. And I should do that because it is a firmer grip. It didn't feel too good when I tried that. Maybe I just need the practice to get used to? I would love to get your opinion. Thanks you!
I may not be Larry but thumbs forward is specifically tailored to auto loading pistols. It's more than stable for recoil management and repeatable accuracy with training
Here in Brazil, the government is wanting to manufacture under license the SIG P320 pistol, at the IMBEL factory, it will make this decision materialize.
You know Larry talks with you, not at you. Chapters of expertise too.
Ah! I thought it was a flaw in the striker mechanism. Trigger mass.
you said the takedown lever hurts you, you dont like the gas pedal atyle take down lever for the p320?
Hmmm I don’t have a problem with the takedown lever biting me, but I have bigger hands, so my thumb isn’t really on it as much as Larry’s probably is. Also, I have the gray guns trigger and competition sear with intermediate springs and it’s awesome. Stay away from the Apex trigger kit. It sucks.
Been holding off on the Wilson P320 for the optic cut slide. Haven’t considered the Aimpoint. Doesn’t look like Safariland holsters RDS ALS holsters will work with the Aimpoint? What tactical/combat holsters work with that set up?
The Safariland RDS holsters will work with the ACRO
@@Nuke-China Thank you. Now just waiting for Wilson to start cutting the slides on their P320.
Wilson Combat vs Sig AXG Scorpion?
I Run grease on all my pistols, alot of people disagree with it but.. after 500 rds oil tends to burn off or migrate away from where it needs to be , grease stays where I want it
J James - I agree 100 percent with you on grease. I have two P320s , a carry and a full size. I have been carrying and shooting them since 2017. I always grease the slide rails and barrels. I have had no malfunctions and no finish wear on the barrels.
P320 will take over eventually
I like an oversized takedown lever and use it as a gas pedal...
Larry, thank you for this very comprehensive review.
I’ve been a Sig fan since my first P226 purchased in the 80’s
Now my daughter wants her first handgun. It’s unlikely that she’ll CCW. I am caught between buying her a P365 or a P320. I understand these are very different guns, but the two I’m considering for her. One of the main factors for any gun she gets will be the grip size. I’d say she had smaller hands. Wears a standard small glove ect. Do you think the P320 or Wilson P320 would be a viable option for her?
365 is an awesome choice there are 15 round mags available for it. also the p365 xl. Slim profile If she is to go the ccw route down the line.
Are Sig models anymore confusing than all of the Glock models to the General public. X models, 23, 26, 43 and so on.
I own a P250
Did Larry just refer to Delta as Delta? Mind blown….
Probably wrong video to ask this, but you have a lot of P320 info..... what's your opinion on P320's firing "on their own!!!!" I own a P320 compact and mine has never "gone off on it's own", but I was just wondering what your thoughts are???? Thank you!!!
just confirmed with Wilson that the P320 guts are unaltered by them....they said the early un upgraded guts had issues , not anymore....AGAIN WILSON does not alter the guts UNLESS you get the enhanced action job and trigger for 155...go Wilson !!!
Wonderful. Not a mention of the accidental discharges that have led to numerous lawsuits. Law enforcement and military personnel injured by this grenade that Sig refuses to recall.
I just confirmed with Wilson that the P320 guts are unaltered by them....they said the early un upgraded guts had issues , not anymore....AGAIN WILSON does not alter the guts UNLESS you get the enhanced action job and trigger for 155...go Wilson !!!
When you change the take down, give it a little bit of a "Gas Pedal" effect to get some more leverage with the thumbs forward grip.
Is that a Sea Dweller on your wrist? Very Nice! I've had my Submariner for 35 years and still love it.
This wouldn’t be a good idea as there’s a strong possibility your slide would go flying off if you were applying pressure to the take down lever while the gun cycles
Why does the slide pivot down when depressing the trigger?
It doesn't do that when there's something in the chamber. Live ammo or snap cap.
I’m not gonna lie a big reason I bought the M18 is because the military adopted it but as soon as I shot it I seen y they did it. It’s one of my favorite pistols tht I own.
I built my P320 using the Wilson Combat grip module, Grey trigger, had the slidecut for red dot and pvd finish. It's my EDC.
I have P10C with acro, holy crap is it a great gun to shoot. Easy headhots on ipsc from 25m. Shooting in the rain is no problem.
Aimpoint has made warranty swaps for the units with poor battery life.
You are right, adapter plates are a nuisance. Hopely the industry approves some standard soon..
A major design weakness with the P320 is if you use a longer mag than made for a certain frame (like using a 17 round mag in the compact frame) there is a chance you can bend the ejector and that is a major issue since it is part of the FCU.
This only applies with the competition pew pew crowd some take off the baseplates and replace with third party baseplates which are never sized correctly. And they really slam those things into the poor gun like there is no tomorrow. Go to a large competition match and see all the reliability problems everyone has because they buy every accessory on the market to try and make them score higher. Focus on the LE/MIL or CC market before you focus on the competitive shooting sector 😂
I have 4 versions of the P320 platform and I love them. I have never had any issues and they are a pleasure to shoot.
P320X Compact has a bigger slide release.
Is the p320 actually safe? I have one and want to carry it but there is so many videos and articles saying it will go off in any holster and killyou instantly. I'm scared to carry it now.
I own multiple p320s and carry them as well. Guns don't just go off normally it's some sort of manipulation of the firearm and it's a negligent discharge. The most recent one in Canada they were using the wrong holster and something got in there and made the gun go off.
@@Bearjew2995 I just read that moments ago. And with over a million of them sold if it was a true gun issue I'd imagine there would be many more reports.
I have two P320s. Been carrying them since 2017. No problems. Just use a good holster and observe proper handling procedures.
just confirmed with Wilson that the P320 guts are unaltered by them....they said the early un upgraded guts had issues , not anymore....AGAIN WILSON does not alter the guts UNLESS you get the enhanced action job and trigger for 155...go Wilson !!!
so how does it compare to the VP9?
It doesn't. The VP9 is a reliable pistol. The P320 is a junker. Rare to see a video of a single one running suppressed from everyday YT'ers. There's a reason for that. XCarry Legion is garbage.
I want x5 legion p320
I'll shoot circles around a Glock with co2 pellet pistol. I've owned them all .My opinion is the sig p320 is a totally different gun when it comes to shooting ,the sig is way faster ..and feels better coming up on the draw. It eats threw brass like a scrap yard.
Ps to wilson combat. Nobody wants the whole gun we just want the slide or the grip in different variations.
For that kind of money, why go with a striker fired gun in the first place? Why not high-end SA/DA?
I was coming strong until the safety issues
Whenever I hear someone say, “It shoots lights out,” I always think of this man at an indoor range who literally shot a light out with an unintentional discharge. Where does that expression come from anyway, it makes no sense?
"Shoot the sprinkler heads out" is a worse saying at an indoor range.
The Aimpoint may survive Larry, but it didn’t survive Aaron Cowan. To be fair, it did survive 22 drops and 11k+ rounds, but both the outer and inner lenses broke.
I love my p250, but I'd love to have a p320 axg scorpion. If anybody wants to give me one.
i cant wait to see all the bugs worked out and the competition over the chasis systems and parts compatibility 10 years from now. prices will be better personalized build kits easier to aquire and everything else. right now is just to early for me as far as prices and more importantly confidence and trust that thing wont go off in my holster. hahaha
5 glock nation guys, so far, are mad this video isn't about a glock.
What about the lawsuit
just confirmed with Wilson that the P320 guts are unaltered by them....they said the early un upgraded guts had issues , not anymore....AGAIN WILSON does not alter the guts UNLESS you get the enhanced action job and trigger for 155...go Wilson !!!