This is by far the best video explaining the conditions that would have to occur for a true uncommanded discharge to happen without the trigger being pressed. Keep in mind that it is a fully cocked striker mechanism, and the sear engagement distances are not huge, but at the same time, you'd have to have the trigger move rearward somehow.
It would only take a wee bit of dirt to make the firing pin block stick upward...the spring is tiny and not very strong so that's a possibility for sure. But the sear still has to be released to fire and this CAN happen because of play in the slide/frame interface. Most holsters grip the slide tightly and when/if you apply force to the grip the sear surfaces are going to be moving relative to one another and repeated working could 'walk' the firing pin off of the sear. Every 'it went off by itself' I've read about and seen video's of do not involve a gun just sitting there discharging...there's always some movement of it and the most recent discharge in the holster had the gun struck hard by a fellow officer while they wrestled with a suspect. I'm betting if you examine the guns that 'just went off' you'll find play in the slide to frame rails along with weak springs in the safety mechanism and/or dirt. Throw in some wear and manufacturing tolerances and it's no surprise to me that some are firing when they're not supposed to. Fully cocked striker systems are GREAT for competition as they allow a very light trigger pull...but personally I wouldn't be comfortable carrying one daily.
@@jameylane1591 For real...I'm NOT a fan of a fully cocked striker system being carried daily. That gun had to be SO close to releasing the striker that just the slight jar of setting it down was enough to let it slip. Was the gun still in the holster? And how much play did it have in the slide to rails? I'm sorry to say...but that's just a bad design for a carry gun IMHO.
@@recoilrob324 I'll deal with the longer trigger pull with a Glock. A Glock's firing pin doesn't have enough momentum to fire the primer even if a safety failed.
Thank you for this video, I have been carrying my Sig P320 compact for a little over a month now, took it to the range multiple times put hundreds of rounds through no issues. I was already confident carrying the gun because I know i’m responsible and respect my firearm. But the breakdown of the mechanics makes me feel even more confident carrying it!
Welcome to the Sig family we P320 owners know that this pistol is extremely SAFE otherwise it would not be sold today. The detractors worry that it goes off by it self, I have put thousands of rounds through mine (400 rounds yesterday) it only goes off when I squeeze the trigger. You I'm sure have had similar experiences, that's why we carry them, let's not listen to the naysayers and enjoy carrying, shooting our P320.
All these videos have worried me , but videos like this brings some peace of mind, i never take off my belt with my firearm in the holster, never, i don't carry it in a bag, its always on my side everyday for more than 9 hrs per day, enjoyed the vidro , keep up the good work
I got a question for you, and yeah I own one of these a M18 model w/saftey, never had an issue with it. Here's my question, why is a detective, we assume a seasoned professional with countless hours on the range training with her weapon, carrying it in her purse? A woman purse is a pandora's box of all kinds of crap,I agree with you that something depressed the trigger,or it wasn't in a holster as she stated. You stated that the block could be broke with enough pressure correct? Could running +P+ loads do this? there are some that exceed 39000 on the civilian market for sale, you the pro,I'm just curious.I apologize if this seems like a stupid question, but I have to watch way to many of these so-called experts run hot loads, that exceed recommended pressures. Then again this appears to be a smear campaign at the expense of the 2nd amendment, don't ever doubt how far and how much money the left can throw at someone to make them say whatever they want them to say,so unless I see it with my own eyes or it comes from a reputable source with an unimpeachable background,theres room for doubt.
Cops and military don't get mandatory weapons training as often as you would think. There's a good amount of cops that have to get training on their own time if they want to truly be good with firearms. And just like every field, some are fine with having the bare minimum while others will go above and beyond to deepen their understanding or skills.
Awesome breakdown of what HAS to happen in the firing sequence of the P320! I have a new P320 X five legion, and this video clears up the alleged "Accidental Discharge" issues to me clearly! Thank you!
@@BoomStickTactical so, why do you think these cases are being reported of the guns going off by themselves? Are they lying? Are they actually pulling the trigger and not realizing it?
@@zackj997most likely because they had something done wrong when being re-holstered. I also am willing to lay odds that they are going off due to stupidity and they are trying to CYA by blaming the gun, and those videos were most likely manufactured
I’m so glad that someone took the time to really address this issue with the P320 Sig Sauer is a great firearm manufacturer..the drop safety issue of 2017 has been resolved and now the gun is totally safe and I have no issue with the gun…The P320 Compact is my EDC..Thanks for the video
You're an idiot if you think this gun is safe, even after the recall. Rushed to market, many design flaws. Slightest movement of the trigger causes this gun to be unsafe and ready to fire. Clowns.
Wow that’s the best review I have heard yet Thanks for explaining everything so sounds like multiple failures have to happen which is impossible. I’m a proud owner of a sig p320 x carry edc
Same here, no problems at all, very reliable. I was thinking of getting a new FCU with manual safety, but then I would have to dremel my x-carry frame for the addition of the safety levers. Seems a bit much, but it's still fine as is. I'd say a rock solid holster and it's hard to go wrong with this pistol.
@@bradskis81 I've seen it. It's an excellent video. I think for some audiences that may be a better video. I still think Boomstick has the best one for 99% of interested parties.
@@grenemyr1833 Yeah, I agree with you. I have more of an engineering, physics type brain. When I can see the engineering and mechanical functioning behind something, I understand it and trust it more I guess. I like knowing and seeing the "well WHY won't that striker pop unless the trigger is pulled aft?"
@@bradskis81 If I had to pick one video to show everyone who had questions about the P320 saftey, I'd pick Boomstick Tactical's video every single time.
I carry a sig p229 Elite 9x19 as my duty weapon.. and I got a huge discount thru my agency for a p320 x compact (for off duty carry) I’ve been hesitant to carry it because all of the stories I’ve heard but since I came across this vid I think I will start carrying it 😊 I appreciate your video 👍
Make sure you buy a good holster. I think holster choice has a lot to do with these accidental discharges. T1 concealment & safariland have both been two commercial models that have worked well for me. I also have a guy close by who does custom kydex holsters made to your weapon. I've never had issues with his holsters either
I carry a P320-C almost every day now for over 2 years now, in a quality holster and quality belt I never think my gun will will go bang because I treat it with respect. At first I was was leary of a pistol without a safety but I got over it. I love my P320c !
@@BoomStickTactical They earned their bad reputation by not being drop safe. All semi-auto guns require extra care and training regularly. IN THE END, the mechanical failure is caused by "the nut that holds the trigger."
If the trigger gets pulled to sear release & discharges - that is evidence of proper weapon function! KEEP THE TRIGGER COVERED WITH A RIGID MATERIAL. KEEP THE WEAPON IMMOBILE IN IT'S VESSEL. KEEP THE WEAPON ISOLATED FROM OTHER OBJECTS. Pretty simple.
Amen about time other people acknowledge this. Its like stupid cops shooting themselves and then saying "I swear to god I never touched it." Then 2 weeks go by and videos surface showing them manipulating their service arm. Duh!!
Yes one should not be casual when handling a firearm and as somebody else pointed out some discharges occur because of failure to keep their trigger finger clear of the trigger when reholstering and it gets pinched between the trigger and holster surface and if they shove that gun hard enough by way of habit they actually fire the gun and probably know it and then seek an alternative explanation to shift the liability and escape blame. People have to learn how to holster and practice the maneuver as it's out of sight,
@iamnightmare1848 I have a P320 and hoping that this is all bullshit. How do we explain that Gunghis Khan guy at the shooting competition where he had his pistol holstered and his hands at hi ready and several people saw the gun go off and signed affidavits saying they saw it? WTF Is going on here?!!
Thank you for this video! I have the Sig P320, purchased it as my first carry firearm. I shot one at the range and instantly fell in love with it. Had slight concerns after hearing the stories of them just firing for no reason, but you have totally eliminated any concerns that I have with this video. I purchased my holster from Alien Gear and it totally covers the trigger. Thinking about purchasing the P320 Legion.
Man the start of your comment sounds so much like my experience , I had to check the user name again and make sure it wasnt mine! Went to the range and it included a free rental of a couple models of your choice to try (you supply ammo) and I asked for a P320RX when they first came out. That gun shot so well, I had to have one! I had just bought a p365 and I had pistol fever all over.
I own a P320C, and from my experience, it seems like she was the negligent one. To me it looks like she’s trying to avoid some kind of punishment and trying to just get a big pay day. Not to mention she had an update XCarry model. You’re not going to tell me it wasn’t due to her putting a loaded gun in that kind of holster, putting in her purse with god knows what floating around, and in her words she “was swinging” her purse. That’s pure stupidity. If I put a gun in my back pack and just throw it around with a bunch of other stuff in there and it goes BANG, then that’s on me, not the manufacturer. Now if it was just sitting on my nightstand and started firing on it’s own, then yeah, you may have a case.
Agreed. Throwing your gun into a container with tons of objects of unknown size and shape is just asking for a negligent discharge, even if it’s in a holster.
Bought one yesterday, came out of the factory in September 24, 2021. First thing I did? Buy a proper hard holster for it, as I do for all guns. Every story that I have heard or read about a police man or a civilian “accidentally” shooting themselves in 99 percent of the cases the common denominator has been poor trigger habits in conjunction with a bad (or lack of a)holster.
These type of single action, light trigger duty pistols ARE NOT FOR EVERYONE. That's what most don't understand. That's why the military required a safety on their model and I bet we will hear about their negligent discharges if they don't cover it up.
Thank you for going into such great detail. My Sig p320 has a manual safety for inadvertent trigger pull as well as what you described. Your explanation of what has to fail in order for the pistol to fire makes me a lot more comfortable with carrying in light of all the recent news stories and lawsuits. I have subscribed to your channel.
Watch Gunghis_Khan he had his P320 fire while it was in his holster and he was raising his hands during a competition. Several people witnessed it and he has pictures of his leg.
@@Master_Yoda1990 Thank you for your suggestion. I watched the video and part 2 also. I do not suggest that they are not being truthful, but most likely they are mistaken. It is easy to make an error, and re-holstering is a dangerous process that needs to performed carefully. There is no video that I have seen that clearly shows a discharge of a Sig p320 that could not be the result of sloppy handling.
Absolutely OUTSTANING VIDEO. BoomStick Tactical is the real deal. Fantastic information. I had my Sig Sauer P320 with slide off with me and walked through with my upgraded Sig Sauer P320 and it worked EXACTLY like BoomStick Tactical was doing. With the Sig Sauer bashers, I bought that and took my Sig Sauer P320 off my night stand and went with my Springfield Armory XD-9. I really like it. But, now that I see that the Sig Sauer P320 would have to have multiple failures in order to "fire on its own", my plan is to put my P320 back on my night stand. THANK YOU so much BoomStick Tactical from a fellow "gunner" in the greater Los Angeles California area.
The issue with the P320 is that the safety mechanism disengages too early when the trigger is pressed. Ideally, the safety mechanism shouldn't disengage until right before the trigger breaks, but on the P320 it happens in the first few millimeters of travel. The safety can disengage if even the slightest force is applied to the trigger, whether it be a finger, an object, or even a holster with a tight fit around the trigger guard.
That makes zero sense. Whether the safety mechanisms disengage in the first mm or last the trigger still has to be depressed. If the trigger is slightly depressed without firing the safeties will reset after the trigger is released, they don't stay disengaged. As long as the safeties are functioning it doesn't matter.
@@brianmunkres1767it does mean that dropping the pistol could release the safety of easier, so something like the sear slipping could cause it to fire. Error stacking.
@@shuumai that's quite a drop. Perfect enough to move the trigger back a fair amount and also disable several safeties. Not saying it's impossible but incredibly unlikely. I mean they purposely worked on the drop safety and added a secondary sear. So not only would the trigger be back far enough to disengage safeties both sears would have to be jumped.
Everything you said is true BUT in my study of the operation of my P320's is that with all 3 of them the sear block is disengaged as soon as the pre travel is taken up and you start pulling against the wall. That's probably why Armory Craft trigger instructions say not to remove any pre travel with their trigger on a carry gun. There's no problem with the gun, just some people
I've been saying since the beginning that the SERPA holster was the issue. I used to have one that I used when I played airsoft and I always had issues when ever I took it off my belt and set it on the table, if anything touched the button, the lock would disengage and the gun would slide out of the holster. Using a SERPA holster to carry in a purse is a major safety issue in my personal opinion. To boot, there are currently 9 cases ongoing with people suing Sig Sauer over the P320, and well into the millions of guns sold. I would say these issues are all user error. If the military isn't having self firing issues with it, then what is everyone else doing wrong lol. I could imagine Glock Fanboys doing this type of thing because the Sig outsold glock over the past year in all markets.
Exactly. As soon as I read that article I blamed the holster. That is the one thing, with no trigger safety the sigs are less tolerant of crappy holsters which has an easy fix…don’t use crappy holsters. Our military has not reported any problems since fielding and it’s not only the main troops carrying it. The devgru guys are supposedly using the x5 non legion (there are pictures from Afghanistan) to the best of my knowledge and there are videos of two recently retired devgru guys talking about how they think the p320 is their superior pistol to a retired green beret (field craft survival). I have switched to the 320/365 from Glock which I have used for 21 years and put 2k through my 320s in the last couple months including holster drills with no issues.
One problem, the firing pin block only needs to move about 1.09mm to disengage, it does not need to be fully depressed. In a perfectly rigid holster, that wouldn't be a problem. But if your holster is just a tiny bit touching the trigger, and flexes just enough to touch that trigger, it doesnt need to move much, to defeat the firing pin block.
My p320 has been loaded with one in the chamber, carried and/or stashed in a defensive location for several years and it’s never fired unintentionally. This was before the “upgrade/recall” and afterwards.
Excellent video addressing the mechanics of the P320 following allegations that the p320 could discharge without operator error. Well done and thank you.
@@Tazer120 me to I researched all the cases some the police department didn't even send them in for the upgrade so honestly the person should be suing the police department not sig.
Ditto, to everything you said. I have mine either on my side or in my tactical bag, & always in a good holster. Not going to be throwing or twirling my bag neither. Something got into that trigger gaurd.
First of all, your video was very detailed and informative, good job. Being a retired law enforcement officer, a few things came to my mind after reading most of the comments. I can’t speak for other departments, but the one I was in provided excellent training and much range time for practice. Along with that vast amount of training and practice can also come an over confidence and careless attitude when handling your firearm. We need to not get complacent about safety. Another thing that puzzled me was the video of the officers firearm discharging as he exited the vehicle. Could it be a holster issue? When our department issued your firearm, it came with a holster. Could those holsters be a bad match for that particular model, therefore explaining multiple issues happening within the same department? Or could a foreign object have fallen in the holster while the officer was in the vehicle? I ate many meals in my unit… just thinking out load. Im just as concerned for safety as the next guy, that’s why I watched this video. I also own a P320x compact that I’d like to feel safe carrying. I hope the truth comes to light on this mystery so we can all feel confident and comfortable knowing one way of the other what the reason for the discharges are. Again, kudos on the video.
The holster can definitely play into the issue. There was an issue a couple years ago in a county not far from me where a Sig fired while still in the holster during an officer struggling with a suspect. The particular holster he was using was one that accommodated a pistol light as well. The problem was the holster did not completely cover the trigger due to the design and during the struggle something got into the trigger because of it. It clearly wasn't a gun problem, It was a holster problem.
Most of those discharges are sheer dipshittedness!!! Also they are suing to CYA so they don't get in trouble for poor gun handled and not following safety protocols.
Thank you for sharing this crucial issue. I just purchased a new Sig P320 and a Sig M18 and now I feel much more comfortable and confident with Sig Sauer.
I agree 100%. I own a P320 that I got new in 2015. I"ve never had an issue. Even before I had the voluntary trigger upgrade. I carry it daily and its chambered in .357 Sig. The detective should know better than to carry a firearm in a purse, that is flat out negligence on her part. Especially in that type of holster . Something more than likely worked its way into the holster and the trigger guard and tripped the trigger. Stupidity is the key word here. Also it looks like a money grab to me. Anyone who carries and has decent training knows if you must carry off-body you have a dedicated compartment in which to store the firearm. Never heard of anyone using a SERPA holster in a purse or bag of any type. I hope Sig can stand tall through these frivolous lawsuits. Also, a "highly trained LEO" should know better, for crying out loud!!
Yes. It takes a special kind of stupid to carry a firearm with no actual physical trigger safety, in a bag or purse. I mean??? There isn't even a 2 stage trigger on these things.. what the heck about puting it in a bag seems okay? To anyone? ... geesh... Nothing about that seems smart to me. Carrying a gun with a physical safety in a bag, seems sketchy to me. Let alone this design. Holster. Use a holster. Hard holster. As far as the drop safety issue welp.. it was addressed. I trust my p320. I carry it. In a hard holster and I love it. One of the reason I love them, as well as glocks, and other striker fires.. is because the lack of a safety switch. I never have to worry about my dumb (being safe) ass puting a safety on and forgetting about it.. I can flip a safety on firearms in an instant.. if I think about it.. but why would I want to?.... so can a holster .. even a good holster.. I have a leather one for my 1911a1 that tends to flip my safety up when holstering it. This is my I never carry my 1911.. in a situation where (god forbid) I actually ever have to use it for defense. I want to know it's always ready. Without having to take and extra motion in any situation, aside from pulling it out.
The only further thought I have is if the particular gun that was alleged to go off on its own was missing one or more of those components, BUT hopefully in cleaning/maintenance of the firearm that would be noticed and addressed. Thank you for your breakdown! I super appreciate it!!!
@jonburrows2684 if it's a new gun yes. Go to Sigs website and enter your serial number if you want further verification. They also have a couple videos showing how yo visually check.
I would like to see the holster examined. there would be powder burn where the barrel was when the pistol fired. was the pistol properly positioned or was it pulled out a little. Enough for a small item to pull the trigger? And like if it's a malfunction the accidental discharge would be repeatable. An unsafe firearm doesn't just discharge one time.
This is absolutely the best breakdown of the mechanical failures that would have to occur for the 320 to "go off" "on it's own". Thank you for sharing! This needs to be brought out in EVERY lawsuit claiming an "uncommended" discharge.
@@BoomStickTactical I keep seeing a lot of comments, in forums I participate in, about the law suits and "uncommanded" discharge. Statistically, there's a better chance of winning the lottery than having one of these "go off by itself". Your video will now be my "goto" for a response.
The only problem I see is the trigger being too heavy for the Pre-updated P320 which made the gun go off when dropped but then all guns could go off when drop or handle improperly. A recent case which the Federal agent shot himself during training was an updated P320. I think and please don't quote me on this all these upgrades/updates are just to make people feel it's more safe but in fact it's fine the way it was except the trigger.
Thanks for putting this comprehensive function evaluation of the SIG P320 together. It is really a shame that the people that have had the Accidental Discharges aren't being honest about how their accident happened. The only AD that I have ever had in 44 years of firearms handling was my fault, I'm 62 now and I was 25 when the AD happened.
I’m willing to bet that only reason why she is suing Sig is because if she didn’t it would acknowledge that she was negligence of her handling the weapon and it would be a mark on her record. She had the gun in a Serpa holster in her purse along with other contents. What could possibly go wrong?!?! 🤔
@@weaponeer8582 ah I see. So the suspect purse has two names. A real name and a street alias perhaps. The plot thickens. Oh wait it's a brand name never-mind lol😉. Bet now she wished it's two names was Smith and Wesson lol. Least then it would have been a proper thing to put a gun inside lol
Get this detective's sig 320 and any other lawsuit plaintiff's, then replicate the discharge in a controlled setting without pressing the trigger. Otherwise, there are too many variables. I am not a fan of the p320, but its way too easy to cover up an AD/ND by claiming its the pistol's fault.
Great informational video. You are correct, we have NOT seen the armorers report and full-breakdown of the suspect firearms. We do NOT know if maintenance, cleaning, stiction or other issues have been completely ruled out. You have shown that the trigger must be pulled for the firing pin block safety to allow the firing pin to hit the primer. But you have not ruled out the possibility of STICTION, cleaning, maintenance ?
Greg Ellifritz recently shared an experience where the tab on his Glock's trigger bar broke and couldn't disengage the firing pin block. He tried pulling the trigger several times before finally realizing why the gun wouldn't fire, just because it was a failure he had never encountered before. As you say, even if the striker tab broke, the gun won't fire without the trigger being pulled.
Never seen a manufacturer avoid a recall in this kind of scenario. I will never own a Sig because of this failure. I saw a video of an officers gun discharging in her holster as she was walking to her patrol car. There have been over 100 incidents where this gun has fired without the trigger being pulled. I have owned a Keltec P3AT for 10 years. I paid $200 for it new. It has been dropped on concrete with a round in the chamber more than once. I have more confidence in it than I do this Sig P320.
its sad when no one wants to admit yes there was an issue and its fixed its like the glock fans they do not like when you bring up what massad ayoop brought up along time ago that number one gun with accidental discharge by police nation wide was a glock the safety trigger better training has made a difference
Finally some valid information on the 320. I have a 320 and stopped carrying it because of all the misinformation that's out there. I have quality holsters and carried mine for almost a year but stopped when I started seeing all these ad/nd videos. It's going back into service now. Sig should have sponsored this video. I think they should have done this at the beginning of all this mess. Thanks for taking the time and being so thorough in the explanation.
If someone says the firearm discharged without trigger being pulled but, upon inspecting the safety mechanisms of that firearm, none were found to be broken or otherwise faulty, it is pretty much assured that the trigger was pulled, whether or not it was intentional. Correct?
How much rear movement of the trigger does it take to disengage the striker block. Not much! Also the design is flawed by having the striker fully cocked at rest.
Really good video. Lawyers being lawyers is what it amounts to. We live in a world where nobody is willing to accept responsibility for their actions. I definitely support our people in blue but I've seen way too many of them shoot to accept that they're all highly trained with guns. Some are downright scary with their gun handling and shooting. Some are great too
@@jameylane1591 some very well might have while pulling or clearing the holster. Highly unlikely it fired untouched while completely secure in the holster. It's been way too long since I've watched this video to remember much about why I said what I said but more often than not it's human error that caused a negligent discharge
The Sig Sauer P320 had a design flaw that could cause unintended discharges. However, Sig Sauer addressed the issue reducing the physical weight of the trigger, sear, and striker, while additionally adding a mechanical disconnector to prevent discharges. All P320 models produced since 2018, and thereafter, are modified to prevent unintended discharges. I own a P320 X Five. I have no issues with it, but only praises about it. Sig Sauer pistols are safe to carry.
I have 3 of them and they are all safe. If it goes off now (after all the updates) it’s negligent. I carry the Xcarry everyday. I also love my Glocks but I hate how everyone jumps on Sig because it’s new. All manufacturers have issues with new releases but Sig makes headlines because of the haters. But it is what it is. Get a brand you like and trust and carry on! Good video brother.
Very informative video! Last time I checked, when one pulls the trigger the gun fires. I would not be comfortable knowing my wife carries her firearm in her purse. There are to many items in there to wedge their selves into unsafe places.
If planning to carry without a trigger guard, it would be wise to have a gun with a manual safety. Guns without one are meant to be paired with a holster that provides adequate trigger protection.
Purse carry is OK if the weapon is carried in a purse designed for purse carry. The weapon should be in its own compartment, inside of a holster. The real problem with purse carry is, if someone’s fighting with you over your purse, it makes it a little tough to draw the weapon
As you said, things can go wrong but it’s so awesome to see someone like you explaining so well how the mechanics work behind it. It’s a set of 3-4 different things to make this happen Much more confident now
@@jameylane1591 Its a real question. What liability would there be for a RUclips posting that says "there are no concerns with a 320"? In all honesty I dont understand and can't comprehend how there would be any.
I'm glad you made this. I spent a pretty penny on a p320 compact x carry. With sight cut, night sights, and the beautiful flat faced trigger and I shot the best with it out of any of my guns. I stopped carrying because I heard all these seemingly overblown stories, some probably made up, and I was worried my leg was going to be blown off.
Thank you very much for posting this review. You have def set my mind at ease over this issue. I carry a 320 for my edc and this really went a long way in explaining the inner workings of the 320. Thanks again.
By design most modern guns are safe, but it doesn’t mean you can’t have a batch of guns assembled poorly or have bad parts from a supplier. It’s obvious the majority have a quality p320, but you cant blame user error for all those in the lawsuit when there is videos of people impacting their p320 and it discharges. Sig is a great company, just like most of the big name manufacturers, but it doesn’t mean they can’t have a batch of bad guns. Do your due diligence and have sig inspect your gun to make sure it is within their specifications and limits.
No one has shown a failed component that has caused one of these guns to fire. If it were a problem with the gun, someone would certainly have posted the source of the problem.
the problem was rush to blame owners and when someone posts what failed why do people have a problem believing that sig fixed the issue but how they got there gave themselves a bad rep on the 320
I have my doubts that the gun went off on its own. She had it in her purse. I would think that maybe the holster she had it in failed by letting something get into and depressing the trigger.
Suggestion: perhaps demonstrate that the inner clearance between the trigger assembly and the slide's firing pin safety is adequate. Assembled, is the firing pin safety release slightly depressed, especially with downward pressure on the slide to take up the slack in the rails?
@@BoomStickTactical I'm not saying there is or isn't. There is slack in the rails that permits some movement. When assembled, are the clearances adequate to hold the pin and not depress the pin safety or release the pin during movement within that slack? You only looked at it disassembled, not when the components are mated and clearances matter.
The possible foreign object in purse scenario PLUS fairly light trigger is why I really like thumb safeties. Besides being a close copy of the new issue pistol of the Marine Corps, the thumb safety is a big reason for buying a P320/M18. If I decide to use a P320 for CCW, I can simply purchase appropriate frames and slide assemblies.
Loose off body carry in a purse with loose items, pens, keys. Eye liner etc to get inside the trigger guard you are asking for problems. You need a trigger guard cover carrying like this.....the thumb safety can be clicked off rattling around in a purse.
@@bmphil3400 Totally agree about the requirement for a holster to cover the trigger guard! Dinosaur that I am, I still like a thumb safety if the trigger is less than 8 lb--about like a good DA revolver.
@@petesheppard1709 thumb safeties become a liability in a high stress situation. I'd rather have the revolver with the 8lb trigger or dao pistol than a light trigger with a thumb safety. Those snap on minimalist trigger guard covers work pretty good for this. My wife loads the Glock then snaps on the trigger guard cover and puts it in the purse. Pull the lanyard and the cover comes off and it's ready to go.
I agree with this video completely. Ive been carrying a P320 on duty for two years and have never had a problem. Poor quality holsters or improper fitting holsters, especially leather ones along with a trigger job giving the gun a super light trigger pull are almost certainly responsible. This could never happen with a proper fitting kydex holster and stock trigger. Custom triggers should not be installed in duty or everyday carry firearms in my opinion. These trigger upgrades are nice for a competition or range gun. I think most of these after market triggers are too light and could not only contribute to a gun firing in said "poor" holsters but could also cause an accidental discharge if you have to point your gun at someone posing a threat. Whenever possible we want to use our firearms as a deterrent instead of a weapon. I want to be sure that when the trigger is pulled, it was 100% intentional.
The issue is that the Sig doesn’t have an inertia trigger safety (many other striker fired pistols do have one), which means if a Sig is dropped on the tail of the slide, there’s nothing to prevent the trigger from moving backwards and firing.
@@BoomStickTactical Not fine enough to prevent dozens of discharges occurring without people touching the trigger. Why anyone would carry this poorly made, dangerous piece of junk is beyond me.
Thanks for the vid. Have this exact same model. It checked out safe on Sig's web site via serial number. Use as a nightstand gun. Not sure I would ever carry on person.
The drawstring from the jacket could easily get tangled in to the trigger guard when not paying attention when holstering and also a holster that is not made for the P 320 could cause issues
Thank u for this video! Been duty carrying a glock 45 and just switched to p320 after seeing great reviews. I started researching the dropfire issue and had come across more recent claims in the past 2 years. Im confident i can rely on this gun to perform as expected. Quick question, do u see any great benefit of having a trigger safety like glocks do? Or should i not worry about missing out on that feature on the p320? Thanks again! This gun feels like it is built for me.
That would depend on the skill level of the operator. As long as you keep your finger off the trigger and don't let it get snagged on anything I think you would be fine.
I think the biggest factor here is this: Normally, a striker-fired pistol has a long take-up so that the trigger travels a good distance and breaks all the way at the rear of the trigger guard. On the P320, there is very little take up and the trigger breaks without a lot of trigger travel... making it a short trip for the trigger to break if something were to foul that trigger on re-holster, etc. If you're gonna carry a 320, you'd better have 1) a good holster made specifically for your gun, and 2) a high level of trigger discipline.
yeah, some people don't get that what is a good range or competition trigger isn't necessarily a good carry trigger. A heavier or longer pull can be better for carry.
@@BoomStickTactical The 320 trigger is not as forgiving of carelessness as some other striker-fired pistols are... but it's not a "flawed design" like some people claim. Keep that booger hook off the bang switch.
@@BoomStickTactical I recall all the negligent discharges Glock had when officers were transitioning over. Let’s be real, just because LE carry firearms doesn’t mean they are safe and/ or good with them! I knew a instructor that said cops were the worst. I am going to carry a P320 compact for duty use soon after 27 years using Glock. All these “sigs going off on their own,”makes me question why would I ditch Glock, for a Sig some. But as with a Glock, keep your trigger finger index high on the side until ready to fire. I’m thinking most if not all are probably negligence.
The P320 platform endured extensive testing for the M17/18 to be selected the primary sidearm of our Military. I don't believe our Military would have accepted a defective firearm. If the P320 platform is defective, where are all of the reports from our Military about unintentional discharges?
I have a full size and a compact. I have hammer tested and drop tested both of them....NO discharges!! I even bought a extra backplate, cut the bottom off, reassembled the guns and placed a small screwdriver in the back and forced the sear off the striker causing the striker to go forward and every time the striker block did its job keeping the pistols from discharging!!
Law enforcement are given this weapon and are told to use it 🤷♂️ it’s there responsibility to learn how to properly handle this firearm. It’s lack of training period.
Very good video. Thanks for that. I noticed that the weapon shown was well maintained and clean. However, some don't keep their weapon in such a nice condition. I wonder if the firing pin block can stich in the "ready" position in a really dirty gun. I also wonder if dirt can cause the sear to get into a wrong position after reset. Like maybe, the release is captured in the secondary catch position instead of the proper one. It's just incredibly important to keep your weapon clean and properly lubricated. It makes it more reliable for sure and, perhaps, safer as well.
I just purchased a Sig P320 Compact in 45 Cal,I dont I know.if a recall on this pistol is in effect ,Did Sig already fix the.trigger issues on these New Ones ? THANKS
I am in total agreement with the findings of this channel. I must say that i feel this person that claim to have a misfire with their weapon, has to do with their own negligence! I am a retired Law enforcement officer of 30 years, and i just don’t see that occurring on it’s own like that.
I have two of them and keep them loaded and have never had any problems. This woman was carrying her weapon in a purse now that’s being irresponsible she should have known better!
@@Tazer120 I doubt it, these holsters are secure with specific retention devices. I have carried all manner of holstered weapons (leather, Cordura, kydex), in all manner of bags (range, backpacks, duffle, suitcase, breifcase). Never had one come out of holster, nor fire. I have 5 Sig pistols (which I like) of 50 that I've owned. The only one ever replaced due to design and quality issues was a Sig P238, but were not safety related. That gun was redesigned and reissued. It's a fact that many weapons are rushed to market and issues are there.
Just a thought, suppose the firing pin doesn't fully reset, and is stuck part way? Or another component(s) not fully resetting, it may be possible to fire unintentionally under these scenarios? What is "supposed to happen" is not always what actually occurs!
@@BoomStickTactical Thank You for responding, and the explanation. To further theorize a possible scenario, suppose the sear to firing pin engagement was less than ideal. If the slide to frame fit was excessive, or other factors influenced this interface, could the pin "slip off" the sear and possibly have enough force to ignite the cartridge? I'm thinking from a standpoint of Glock knowledge, supposedly if the pin comes off the sear face, the pin is not retracted enough to have the force to fire. I understand the firing pin safety/block in theory, could it be possible that the pin doesn't return enough for the pin safety block to "reset" as well? Thanks again for your experience, knowledge, and reply! Forgive my hypotheticals if they are impossible.
I have 5 Sigs, including a P320X, P320M17, and P320 Vtac. Thanks for a great video and easing my mind. All of my Sigs are awesome shooters, reliable, and loads of fun to shoot.
Went thru the assembly information from SIG and came to the same conclusion. Mine operates perfectly and while it if a larger pistol it carries nicely.
Several independent firearms experts have examined the safety features on the Sig P320 and determined that it would be impossible for the gun to fire a round without the trigger being depressed. These lawsuits are being promoted by anti-gun activists, in attempt to shut down Sig. None of the firearms named in these lawsuits were properly holstered, thereby creating the possibility that the triggers were inadvertently moved.
I’m not sure that’s true. Why wouldn’t they go after all other manufacturers? OR, what’s your primary source proof that the lawsuits are promoted by these groups? I’m not saying they wouldn’t try some bs like that… All that said, my gunsmith (who I trust above all) says there are inherent design flaws which cause the “uncommanded discharges”.
The weapon was working fine. The Detective needs to just take that big "L" for putting a loading, unholsted weapon in her purse. That has Lord knows what in there. That could of easily got in the trigger guard, and force that weapon to go off. Unacceptable on her part. Own up to your mistake. And holster your freaking weapon please, thank you.
Wait, I thought the gun WAS in a holster in her purse. I think that's what I heard on the actual news report on it. I have two P320's, both went through the voluntary 'upgrade'. With all the malfunction claims, I had considered relegating them to range toys only. I'm more confident about them now.
I bought a p320 in early 2020. I have a stage one holster specifically made for the gun. Never had a problem ever. Getting over the zero safety factor took a few hundred rounds, but I am very aware not safety. I love the gun!
Good video, thanks. If I recall correctly there is a Male police officer claiming a P320 went off on it's own in his gym bag. I saw a news story about the Female Detective's lawsuit and they list the total number of alleged bad discharges. I'd like to see the number claimed on updated guns. It would seem to me that if a lawsuit is claiming a gun went off on it's own they should be able to demonstrate/recreate how that happened. Use the same gun and show us how. Take your time. We'll wait. I think once Sig had the verified issue with the drop test that gave everyone who F'd up a way out of admitting it was their fault. Notice how it's mostly Cops? People who would lose their jobs if they admitted they made a mistake. And we all know most Cops rarely shoot their duty firearms. Most/all of these "bad" guns were probably in mint condition. Doesn't pass the smell test.
As per my experience at gun ranges and even shooting competitions, most cops just plain suck at gun handling and safety. That’s a given. Adding to the suspicion is the fact that there are no lawsuits or even reports of issues with military AD ‘s.
i’ve seen a video of it going off in the holster of an officer who wasn’t even touching the holister & some other youtuber made a video of it having a problem of not firing unless you literally shake it
I guess I am confused. There are all kinds of take down/reassemble gun videos on You tube. ? Having said that...to open a can of worms with today's gun people, THAT is why there should be a manual safety on all pistols of this ilk. Unless you are pulling back a hammer, as in the style of a true DA/SA, this is going to happen. 'Glock leg' is not restricted to glocks alone (although it is the only gun with a negligent discharge named after it) It doesn;t matter how heavy a trigger is. It is the sudden break. Never mind the stupidity putting this into a purse with a chambered round. It is not a failure of the gun, that the trigger got caught on something, setting it off. it is stupidity and ignorance.
When you become more popular, there are gun hating ninnies that report you for anything. Then RUclips will yank your video off. The other videos I bet are lesser known gun channels, and not likely to be reported for disassembly displays. The only thing I ever heard was that children now from watching TV/Movies know how to put a round into the chamber of an auto pistol, and gun owners depending on "It doesn't have a round chambered, the kid won't know or be strong enough to chamber it" was negated by seeing it done a 100 times in TV and Movies. Just like characters having to just pump the slide on a pump shotgun, "For Emphasis" even when they pumped earlier. I think that's their theory, and "Teaching how to build a gun" from people who don't realize field stripping to clean and/or function check a gun isn't "Building a gun", due to their total ignorance of guns.
Excellent detailed explanation, appreciated. I believe it's purely another angle of attack on the 2A and at SIG due to the success of this particular model. Someone is still very pissed that they lost the military contract.
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This is by far the best video explaining the conditions that would have to occur for a true uncommanded discharge to happen without the trigger being pressed. Keep in mind that it is a fully cocked striker mechanism, and the sear engagement distances are not huge, but at the same time, you'd have to have the trigger move rearward somehow.
Glad you enjoyed it!
It would only take a wee bit of dirt to make the firing pin block stick upward...the spring is tiny and not very strong so that's a possibility for sure. But the sear still has to be released to fire and this CAN happen because of play in the slide/frame interface. Most holsters grip the slide tightly and when/if you apply force to the grip the sear surfaces are going to be moving relative to one another and repeated working could 'walk' the firing pin off of the sear.
Every 'it went off by itself' I've read about and seen video's of do not involve a gun just sitting there discharging...there's always some movement of it and the most recent discharge in the holster had the gun struck hard by a fellow officer while they wrestled with a suspect.
I'm betting if you examine the guns that 'just went off' you'll find play in the slide to frame rails along with weak springs in the safety mechanism and/or dirt. Throw in some wear and manufacturing tolerances and it's no surprise to me that some are firing when they're not supposed to. Fully cocked striker systems are GREAT for competition as they allow a very light trigger pull...but personally I wouldn't be comfortable carrying one daily.
@@recoilrob324 Recent story Indian River County Sheriff's SIG went off just setting it onto a table. Let's get serious here.
@@jameylane1591 For real...I'm NOT a fan of a fully cocked striker system being carried daily. That gun had to be SO close to releasing the striker that just the slight jar of setting it down was enough to let it slip.
Was the gun still in the holster? And how much play did it have in the slide to rails? I'm sorry to say...but that's just a bad design for a carry gun IMHO.
@@recoilrob324 I'll deal with the longer trigger pull with a Glock. A Glock's firing pin doesn't have enough momentum to fire the primer even if a safety failed.
Thank you for this video, I have been carrying my Sig P320 compact for a little over a month now, took it to the range multiple times put hundreds of rounds through no issues. I was already confident carrying the gun because I know i’m responsible and respect my firearm. But the breakdown of the mechanics makes me feel even more confident carrying it!
Sigs are great guns and have been criticized unjustly because of people not handling them properly
Welcome to the Sig family we P320 owners know that this pistol is extremely SAFE otherwise it would not be sold today. The detractors worry that it goes off by it self, I have put thousands of rounds through mine (400 rounds yesterday) it only goes off when I squeeze the trigger. You I'm sure have had similar experiences, that's why we carry them, let's not listen to the naysayers and enjoy carrying, shooting our P320.
All these videos have worried me , but videos like this brings some peace of mind, i never take off my belt with my firearm in the holster, never, i don't carry it in a bag, its always on my side everyday for more than 9 hrs per day, enjoyed the vidro , keep up the good work
Glad to help. Thanks for watching
Same here. Gun comes out before I take off the holster, or fanny pack. ALWAYS.
This video was very informative. Thank you!
Thanks for watching
I got a question for you, and yeah I own one of these a M18 model w/saftey, never had an issue with it. Here's my question, why is a detective, we assume a seasoned professional with countless hours on the range training with her weapon, carrying it in her purse? A woman purse is a pandora's box of all kinds of crap,I agree with you that something depressed the trigger,or it wasn't in a holster as she stated.
You stated that the block could be broke with enough pressure correct? Could running +P+ loads do this? there are some that exceed 39000 on the civilian market for sale, you the pro,I'm just curious.I apologize if this seems like a stupid question, but I have to watch way to many of these so-called experts run hot loads, that exceed recommended pressures.
Then again this appears to be a smear campaign at the expense of the 2nd amendment, don't ever doubt how far and how much money the left can throw at someone to make them say whatever they want them to say,so unless I see it with my own eyes or it comes from a reputable source with an unimpeachable background,theres room for doubt.
All it is about is a smear campaign
You be shock how many officers don't know their gun at all or any other firearms
Come on dude, you know it makes sense. To carry a striker fire pistol in a push button serpa holster in a purse with several other objects. 🤔
Cops and military don't get mandatory weapons training as often as you would think. There's a good amount of cops that have to get training on their own time if they want to truly be good with firearms. And just like every field, some are fine with having the bare minimum while others will go above and beyond to deepen their understanding or skills.
The type of ammo has absolutely zero to do with this situation.
Awesome breakdown of what HAS to happen in the firing sequence of the P320! I have a new P320 X five legion, and this video clears up the alleged "Accidental Discharge" issues to me clearly! Thank you!
Thanks for watching
@@BoomStickTactical so, why do you think these cases are being reported of the guns going off by themselves? Are they lying? Are they actually pulling the trigger and not realizing it?
@@jonburrows2684 No because there's video footage of them going off without a hand near it.
@@zackj997 ok, thanks!
@@zackj997most likely because they had something done wrong when being re-holstered. I also am willing to lay odds that they are going off due to stupidity and they are trying to CYA by blaming the gun, and those videos were most likely manufactured
I’m so glad that someone took the time to really address this issue with the P320 Sig Sauer is a great firearm manufacturer..the drop safety issue of 2017 has been resolved and now the gun is totally safe and I have no issue with the gun…The P320 Compact is my EDC..Thanks for the video
Thanks for watching and please check out my channel for more
You're an idiot if you think this gun is safe, even after the recall. Rushed to market, many design flaws. Slightest movement of the trigger causes this gun to be unsafe and ready to fire. Clowns.
Wow that’s the best review I have heard yet Thanks for explaining everything so sounds like multiple failures have to happen which is impossible. I’m a proud owner of a sig p320 x carry edc
They're great guns
Great pieces. Safe as the person handling them.
Same here, no problems at all, very reliable. I was thinking of getting a new FCU with manual safety, but then I would have to dremel my x-carry frame for the addition of the safety levers. Seems a bit much, but it's still fine as is. I'd say a rock solid holster and it's hard to go wrong with this pistol.
Brian
Not impossible, just unlikely.
Most accidents or catastrophic events are results of multiple failures.
It's not I'm possible Gunghis_Khan had his P320 go off in his holster during a competition with multiple witnesses.
Nice review Boom! Much appreciated!
Thanks
This was THE BEST explanation of the mechanics involved I have heard yet!
Thanks
Check out Sig Mechanics videos on the safeties. very detailed and good footage of how everything works together. And you won't get dizzy watching. 😂
@@bradskis81
I've seen it. It's an excellent video. I think for some audiences that may be a better video. I still think Boomstick has the best one for 99% of interested parties.
@@grenemyr1833 Yeah, I agree with you. I have more of an engineering, physics type brain. When I can see the engineering and mechanical functioning behind something, I understand it and trust it more I guess. I like knowing and seeing the "well WHY won't that striker pop unless the trigger is pulled aft?"
@@bradskis81 If I had to pick one video to show everyone who had questions about the P320 saftey, I'd pick Boomstick Tactical's video every single time.
I carry a sig p229 Elite 9x19 as my duty weapon.. and I got a huge discount thru my agency for a p320 x compact (for off duty carry) I’ve been hesitant to carry it because all of the stories I’ve heard but since I came across this vid I think I will start carrying it 😊 I appreciate your video 👍
Thanks for watching. There's nothing wrong with the newer models.
Make sure you buy a good holster. I think holster choice has a lot to do with these accidental discharges. T1 concealment & safariland have both been two commercial models that have worked well for me. I also have a guy close by who does custom kydex holsters made to your weapon. I've never had issues with his holsters either
I carry a P320-C almost every day now for over 2 years now, in a quality holster and quality belt I never think my gun will will go bang because I treat it with respect. At first I was was leary of a pistol without a safety but I got over it. I love my P320c !
They're great guns
Great pieces. Safe as the person handling them.
I carry a p320 M18 everyday love it
@@BoomStickTactical They earned their bad reputation by not being drop safe. All semi-auto guns require extra care and training regularly. IN THE END, the mechanical failure is caused by "the nut that holds the trigger."
All pistols, whether single or single/double action should have a thumb safety. And single/double actions should have a de-cocker.
If the trigger gets pulled to sear release & discharges - that is evidence of proper weapon function! KEEP THE TRIGGER COVERED WITH A RIGID MATERIAL. KEEP THE WEAPON IMMOBILE IN IT'S VESSEL. KEEP THE WEAPON ISOLATED FROM OTHER OBJECTS. Pretty simple.
Very simple
Amen about time other people acknowledge this. Its like stupid cops shooting themselves and then saying "I swear to god I never touched it." Then 2 weeks go by and videos surface showing them manipulating their service arm. Duh!!
Yes one should not be casual when handling a firearm and as somebody else pointed out some discharges occur because of failure to keep their trigger finger clear of the trigger when reholstering and it gets pinched between the trigger and holster surface and if they shove that gun hard enough by way of habit they actually fire the gun and probably know it and then seek an alternative explanation to shift the liability and escape blame. People have to learn how to holster and practice the maneuver as it's out of sight,
@iamnightmare1848 I have a P320 and hoping that this is all bullshit. How do we explain that Gunghis Khan guy at the shooting competition where he had his pistol holstered and his hands at hi ready and several people saw the gun go off and signed affidavits saying they saw it? WTF Is going on here?!!
There's evidence of the striker spring malfunctioning.
makes sense but why so many accidental discharges with Sig P320?
Because of people who mishandled them. ruclips.net/video/m1Gq--L9SZU/видео.html
Thank you for this video! I have the Sig P320, purchased it as my first carry firearm. I shot one at the range and instantly fell in love with it. Had slight concerns after hearing the stories of them just firing for no reason, but you have totally eliminated any concerns that I have with this video. I purchased my holster from Alien Gear and it totally covers the trigger. Thinking about purchasing the P320 Legion.
The legion is cool but expensive.
Man the start of your comment sounds so much like my experience , I had to check the user name again and make sure it wasnt mine! Went to the range and it included a free rental of a couple models of your choice to try (you supply ammo) and I asked for a P320RX when they first came out. That gun shot so well, I had to have one! I had just bought a p365 and I had pistol fever all over.
I own a P320C, and from my experience, it seems like she was the negligent one. To me it looks like she’s trying to avoid some kind of punishment and trying to just get a big pay day. Not to mention she had an update XCarry model. You’re not going to tell me it wasn’t due to her putting a loaded gun in that kind of holster, putting in her purse with god knows what floating around, and in her words she “was swinging” her purse. That’s pure stupidity. If I put a gun in my back pack and just throw it around with a bunch of other stuff in there and it goes BANG, then that’s on me, not the manufacturer. Now if it was just sitting on my nightstand and started firing on it’s own, then yeah, you may have a case.
Yep
Agreed. Throwing your gun into a container with tons of objects of unknown size and shape is just asking for a negligent discharge, even if it’s in a holster.
Bought one yesterday, came out of the factory in September 24, 2021. First thing I did? Buy a proper hard holster for it, as I do for all guns.
Every story that I have heard or read about a police man or a civilian “accidentally” shooting themselves in 99 percent of the cases the common denominator has been poor trigger habits in conjunction with a bad (or lack of a)holster.
These type of single action, light trigger duty pistols ARE NOT FOR EVERYONE. That's what most don't understand. That's why the military required a safety on their model and I bet we will hear about their negligent discharges if they don't cover it up.
Thank you for going into such great detail. My Sig p320 has a manual safety for inadvertent trigger pull as well as what you described. Your explanation of what has to fail in order for the pistol to fire makes me a lot more comfortable with carrying in light of all the recent news stories and lawsuits. I have subscribed to your channel.
Glad to have you
Watch Gunghis_Khan he had his P320 fire while it was in his holster and he was raising his hands during a competition. Several people witnessed it and he has pictures of his leg.
@@Master_Yoda1990 Thank you for your suggestion. I watched the video and part 2 also. I do not suggest that they are not being truthful, but most likely they are mistaken. It is easy to make an error, and re-holstering is a dangerous process that needs to performed carefully. There is no video that I have seen that clearly shows a discharge of a Sig p320 that could not be the result of sloppy handling.
Absolutely OUTSTANING VIDEO. BoomStick Tactical is the real deal. Fantastic information. I had my Sig Sauer P320 with slide off with me and walked through with my upgraded Sig Sauer P320 and it worked EXACTLY like BoomStick Tactical was doing. With the Sig Sauer bashers, I bought that and took my Sig Sauer P320 off my night stand and went with my Springfield Armory XD-9. I really like it. But, now that I see that the Sig Sauer P320 would have to have multiple failures in order to "fire on its own", my plan is to put my P320 back on my night stand. THANK YOU so much BoomStick Tactical from a fellow "gunner" in the greater Los Angeles California area.
Thanks for watching. Be careful in california
The issue with the P320 is that the safety mechanism disengages too early when the trigger is pressed. Ideally, the safety mechanism shouldn't disengage until right before the trigger breaks, but on the P320 it happens in the first few millimeters of travel. The safety can disengage if even the slightest force is applied to the trigger, whether it be a finger, an object, or even a holster with a tight fit around the trigger guard.
There's nothing wrong with Sig. The problem is people not knowing how to handle them.
That makes zero sense. Whether the safety mechanisms disengage in the first mm or last the trigger still has to be depressed. If the trigger is slightly depressed without firing the safeties will reset after the trigger is released, they don't stay disengaged. As long as the safeties are functioning it doesn't matter.
@@brianmunkres1767it does mean that dropping the pistol could release the safety of easier, so something like the sear slipping could cause it to fire. Error stacking.
@@shuumai that's quite a drop. Perfect enough to move the trigger back a fair amount and also disable several safeties. Not saying it's impossible but incredibly unlikely. I mean they purposely worked on the drop safety and added a secondary sear. So not only would the trigger be back far enough to disengage safeties both sears would have to be jumped.
BS
Everything you said is true BUT in my study of the operation of my P320's is that with all 3 of them the sear block is disengaged as soon as the pre travel is taken up and you start pulling against the wall. That's probably why Armory Craft trigger instructions say not to remove any pre travel with their trigger on a carry gun. There's no problem with the gun, just some people
Yep
I've been saying since the beginning that the SERPA holster was the issue. I used to have one that I used when I played airsoft and I always had issues when ever I took it off my belt and set it on the table, if anything touched the button, the lock would disengage and the gun would slide out of the holster. Using a SERPA holster to carry in a purse is a major safety issue in my personal opinion.
To boot, there are currently 9 cases ongoing with people suing Sig Sauer over the P320, and well into the millions of guns sold. I would say these issues are all user error. If the military isn't having self firing issues with it, then what is everyone else doing wrong lol. I could imagine Glock Fanboys doing this type of thing because the Sig outsold glock over the past year in all markets.
Sign are fine
Exactly. As soon as I read that article I blamed the holster. That is the one thing, with no trigger safety the sigs are less tolerant of crappy holsters which has an easy fix…don’t use crappy holsters. Our military has not reported any problems since fielding and it’s not only the main troops carrying it. The devgru guys are supposedly using the x5 non legion (there are pictures from Afghanistan) to the best of my knowledge and there are videos of two recently retired devgru guys talking about how they think the p320 is their superior pistol to a retired green beret (field craft survival). I have switched to the 320/365 from Glock which I have used for 21 years and put 2k through my 320s in the last couple months including holster drills with no issues.
One problem, the firing pin block only needs to move about 1.09mm to disengage, it does not need to be fully depressed. In a perfectly rigid holster, that wouldn't be a problem. But if your holster is just a tiny bit touching the trigger, and flexes just enough to touch that trigger, it doesnt need to move much, to defeat the firing pin block.
The same can be said of most striker fired guns
My p320 has been loaded with one in the chamber, carried and/or stashed in a defensive location for several years and it’s never fired unintentionally. This was before the “upgrade/recall” and afterwards.
Yep.
OK that isn't a scientific test. You get that right? It proves nothing.
@@barrygoldwater2441 you do realize that post was a year ago don't you?
@@georgebaldford3186 Yes. And this fact which is not your business concerns you why?
@@barrygoldwater2441 It was a rhetorical question.
Excellent video addressing the mechanics of the P320 following allegations that the p320 could discharge without operator error. Well done and thank you.
Thanks for watching
These claims that P320's are going off all by themselves just doesn't pass the smell test.
Sorry. I don't believe it.
I don't either
I own and carry one never shot my self or had an accidental discharge.
@@Tazer120 me to I researched all the cases some the police department didn't even send them in for the upgrade so honestly the person should be suing the police department not sig.
Ditto, to everything you said. I have mine either on my side or in my tactical bag, & always in a good holster. Not going to be throwing or twirling my bag neither. Something got into that trigger gaurd.
Been carrying one for over 4 years and no problem. Use quality holster thou in carbon fiber
First of all, your video was very detailed and informative, good job.
Being a retired law enforcement officer, a few things came to my mind after reading most of the comments. I can’t speak for other departments, but the one I was in provided excellent training and much range time for practice. Along with that vast amount of training and practice can also come an over confidence and careless attitude when handling your firearm. We need to not get complacent about safety. Another thing that puzzled me was the video of the officers firearm discharging as he exited the vehicle. Could it be a holster issue? When our department issued your firearm, it came with a holster. Could those holsters be a bad match for that particular model, therefore explaining multiple issues happening within the same department? Or could a foreign object have fallen in the holster while the officer was in the vehicle? I ate many meals in my unit… just thinking out load. Im just as concerned for safety as the next guy, that’s why I watched this video. I also own a P320x compact that I’d like to feel safe carrying. I hope the truth comes to light on this mystery so we can all feel confident and comfortable knowing one way of the other what the reason for the discharges are. Again, kudos on the video.
The holster can definitely play into the issue. There was an issue a couple years ago in a county not far from me where a Sig fired while still in the holster during an officer struggling with a suspect. The particular holster he was using was one that accommodated a pistol light as well. The problem was the holster did not completely cover the trigger due to the design and during the struggle something got into the trigger because of it. It clearly wasn't a gun problem, It was a holster problem.
Most of those discharges are sheer dipshittedness!!! Also they are suing to CYA so they don't get in trouble for poor gun handled and not following safety protocols.
Or it was a complete falsehood that was concocted to prevent departmental punitive action.
@@WildwestwranglerIndeed.
Thank you for sharing this crucial issue. I just purchased a new Sig P320 and a Sig M18 and now I feel much more comfortable and confident with Sig Sauer.
Thanks for watching.
I carry a Sig m18 and I trust it with my life. Gald to see your piratical and detailed video sir.
Thanks for watching and please share the video if you don't mind.
M18 are all good to go. All M18 were made after the recall.
I agree 100%. I own a P320 that I got new in 2015. I"ve never had an issue. Even before I had the voluntary trigger upgrade. I carry it daily and its chambered in .357 Sig. The detective should know better than to carry a firearm in a purse, that is flat out negligence on her part. Especially in that type of holster . Something more than likely worked its way into the holster and the trigger guard and tripped the trigger. Stupidity is the key word here. Also it looks like a money grab to me. Anyone who carries and has decent training knows if you must carry off-body you have a dedicated compartment in which to store the firearm. Never heard of anyone using a SERPA holster in a purse or bag of any type. I hope Sig can stand tall through these frivolous lawsuits. Also, a "highly trained LEO" should know better, for crying out loud!!
A lot of them aren't as highly trained as many believe
@@BoomStickTactical exactly what I was going 2 say
@@BoomStickTactical I subbed for that comment alone. I came here to say just the same thing. Good vid btw
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Yes. It takes a special kind of stupid to carry a firearm with no actual physical trigger safety, in a bag or purse. I mean??? There isn't even a 2 stage trigger on these things.. what the heck about puting it in a bag seems okay? To anyone? ... geesh... Nothing about that seems smart to me. Carrying a gun with a physical safety in a bag, seems sketchy to me. Let alone this design. Holster. Use a holster. Hard holster. As far as the drop safety issue welp.. it was addressed. I trust my p320. I carry it. In a hard holster and I love it. One of the reason I love them, as well as glocks, and other striker fires.. is because the lack of a safety switch. I never have to worry about my dumb (being safe) ass puting a safety on and forgetting about it.. I can flip a safety on firearms in an instant.. if I think about it.. but why would I want to?.... so can a holster .. even a good holster.. I have a leather one for my 1911a1 that tends to flip my safety up when holstering it. This is my I never carry my 1911.. in a situation where (god forbid) I actually ever have to use it for defense. I want to know it's always ready. Without having to take and extra motion in any situation, aside from pulling it out.
The only further thought I have is if the particular gun that was alleged to go off on its own was missing one or more of those components, BUT hopefully in cleaning/maintenance of the firearm that would be noticed and addressed. Thank you for your breakdown! I super appreciate it!!!
Thanks for watching
@@BoomStickTactical I just got mine last week. Has the problems been solved with this gun as of April 2023?
@jonburrows2684 if it's a new gun yes. Go to Sigs website and enter your serial number if you want further verification. They also have a couple videos showing how yo visually check.
@@BoomStickTactical ok, thanks my fellow freedom loving, 2nd amendment loving, brother!
I would like to see the holster examined. there would be powder burn where the barrel was when the pistol fired. was the pistol properly positioned or was it pulled out a little. Enough for a small item to pull the trigger? And like if it's a malfunction the accidental discharge would be repeatable. An unsafe firearm doesn't just discharge one time.
Ywp
Completely trust sig and the P320 I have 2 of them no problems
Great guns
This is absolutely the best breakdown of the mechanical failures that would have to occur for the 320 to "go off" "on it's own". Thank you for sharing! This needs to be brought out in EVERY lawsuit claiming an "uncommended" discharge.
Thanks. You can help by simply sharing the video. There's nothing wrong with Sig
@@BoomStickTactical I keep seeing a lot of comments, in forums I participate in, about the law suits and "uncommanded" discharge. Statistically, there's a better chance of winning the lottery than having one of these "go off by itself". Your video will now be my "goto" for a response.
The only problem I see is the trigger being too heavy for the Pre-updated P320 which made the gun go off when dropped but then all guns could go off when drop or handle improperly. A recent case which the Federal agent shot himself during training was an updated P320. I think and please don't quote me on this all these upgrades/updates are just to make people feel it's more safe but in fact it's fine the way it was except the trigger.
Agreed
Thanks for putting this comprehensive function evaluation of the SIG P320 together. It is really a shame that the people that have had the Accidental Discharges aren't being honest about how their accident happened.
The only AD that I have ever had in 44 years of firearms handling was my fault, I'm 62 now and I was 25 when the AD happened.
Stay safe. More people need to learn the proper way to handle a gun. I bet you're learned it very well since your ND
I’m willing to bet that only reason why she is suing Sig is because if she didn’t it would acknowledge that she was negligence of her handling the weapon and it would be a mark on her record.
She had the gun in a Serpa holster in her purse along with other contents. What could possibly go wrong?!?! 🤔
Agreed
Must have been one of those Alien Gear purses surely lol. If not she should sue Coach. And the Serpa too. And the bullet maker. Who else hmmm lol
@@hughgrection3052 I think that is was Dolce & Gabbana or something snooty like that.
@@weaponeer8582 ah I see. So the suspect purse has two names. A real name and a street alias perhaps. The plot thickens. Oh wait it's a brand name never-mind lol😉. Bet now she wished it's two names was Smith and Wesson lol. Least then it would have been a proper thing to put a gun inside lol
Exactly. And the trigger is so short anything could of tapped it.
Thoughts after the Montville PD incident?
Watch my video about it
Get this detective's sig 320 and any other lawsuit plaintiff's, then replicate the discharge in a controlled setting without pressing the trigger. Otherwise, there are too many variables. I am not a fan of the p320, but its way too easy to cover up an AD/ND by claiming its the pistol's fault.
Exactly. I'd like to see the insides of it.
Seconded. Proof is in the pudding. I believe the choice of holster and purse contents are to blame.
I'd like to see the holster too. Any bets there's scratches and nicks in it?
@@dbill7486 i believe it was a blackhawk serpa holster
@@madhatter6913 she is likely the one to blame...blackhawk serpa holster loose in her purse
Great informational video. You are correct, we have NOT seen the armorers report and full-breakdown of the suspect firearms. We do NOT know if maintenance, cleaning, stiction or other issues have been completely ruled out. You have shown that the trigger must be pulled for the firing pin block safety to allow the firing pin to hit the primer. But you have not ruled out the possibility of STICTION, cleaning, maintenance ?
The problem is not the gun. It's the people who don't know how to handle them
Greg Ellifritz recently shared an experience where the tab on his Glock's trigger bar broke and couldn't disengage the firing pin block. He tried pulling the trigger several times before finally realizing why the gun wouldn't fire, just because it was a failure he had never encountered before. As you say, even if the striker tab broke, the gun won't fire without the trigger being pulled.
Bingo. It would take several failures happening at once
It is a striker, not a firing pin.
Never seen a manufacturer avoid a recall in this kind of scenario. I will never own a Sig because of this failure. I saw a video of an officers gun discharging in her holster as she was walking to her patrol car. There have been over 100 incidents where this gun has fired without the trigger being pulled. I have owned a Keltec P3AT for 10 years. I paid $200 for it new. It has been dropped on concrete with a round in the chamber more than once. I have more confidence in it than I do this Sig P320.
You may have seen the video but did you hear the final outcome where she admitted that she didn't have the gun in a Holster.
its sad when no one wants to admit yes there was an issue and its fixed its like the glock fans they do not like when you bring up what massad ayoop brought up along time ago that number one gun with accidental discharge by police nation wide was a glock the safety trigger better training has made a difference
Finally some valid information on the 320. I have a 320 and stopped carrying it because of all the misinformation that's out there. I have quality holsters and carried mine for almost a year but stopped when I started seeing all these ad/nd videos. It's going back into service now. Sig should have sponsored this video. I think they should have done this at the beginning of all this mess. Thanks for taking the time and being so thorough in the explanation.
Thanks for watching and I would love for Sig to sponsor a video but my channel isn't large enough for them yet
If someone says the firearm discharged without trigger being pulled but, upon inspecting the safety mechanisms of that firearm, none were found to be broken or otherwise faulty, it is pretty much assured that the trigger was pulled, whether or not it was intentional. Correct?
Bingo
Very thorough explanation! Much appreciated!
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How much rear movement of the trigger does it take to disengage the striker block. Not much! Also the design is flawed by having the striker fully cocked at rest.
There are several striker fired guns that have fully cocked strikers. There's nothing wrong with them.
Dear mr. Broomstick if you are happy with a sig p320 more power to you. I personally don't want one.
Really good video. Lawyers being lawyers is what it amounts to. We live in a world where nobody is willing to accept responsibility for their actions. I definitely support our people in blue but I've seen way too many of them shoot to accept that they're all highly trained with guns. Some are downright scary with their gun handling and shooting. Some are great too
Yep. Thanks for watching
I guess all those cops actually pulled the trigger when it was in their holster or the purse. Good theory bud.
@@jameylane1591 some very well might have while pulling or clearing the holster. Highly unlikely it fired untouched while completely secure in the holster. It's been way too long since I've watched this video to remember much about why I said what I said but more often than not it's human error that caused a negligent discharge
The Sig Sauer P320 had a design flaw that could cause unintended discharges. However, Sig Sauer addressed the issue reducing the physical weight of the trigger, sear, and striker, while additionally adding a mechanical disconnector to prevent discharges. All P320 models produced since 2018, and thereafter, are modified to prevent unintended discharges.
I own a P320 X Five. I have no issues with it, but only praises about it. Sig Sauer pistols are safe to carry.
Yep
I have 3 of them and they are all safe. If it goes off now (after all the updates) it’s negligent. I carry the Xcarry everyday. I also love my Glocks but I hate how everyone jumps on Sig because it’s new. All manufacturers have issues with new releases but Sig makes headlines because of the haters. But it is what it is. Get a brand you like and trust and carry on! Good video brother.
Thanks for watching
Thanks for this video. I have three P320’s, and was concerned…no more.
I'm glad to have helped
Very informative video! Last time I checked, when one pulls the trigger the gun fires. I would not be comfortable knowing my wife carries her firearm in her purse. There are to many items in there to wedge their selves into unsafe places.
Exactly
If planning to carry without a trigger guard, it would be wise to have a gun with a manual safety. Guns without one are meant to be paired with a holster that provides adequate trigger protection.
Purse carry is OK if the weapon is carried in a purse designed for purse carry. The weapon should be in its own compartment, inside of a holster. The real problem with purse carry is, if someone’s fighting with you over your purse, it makes it a little tough to draw the weapon
As you said, things can go wrong but it’s so awesome to see someone like you explaining so well how the mechanics work behind it. It’s a set of 3-4 different things to make this happen
Much more confident now
There's nothing wrong with these guns. Just make sure to use a good holster that covers the trigger.
@@BoomStickTactical You are legally stating that on the Internet? Good to know. There's no liability there or anything.
@@jameylane1591What liability concerns?
@@gunguru7020 Uh you again. Do I really have to explain it?
@@jameylane1591 Its a real question. What liability would there be for a RUclips posting that says "there are no concerns with a 320"? In all honesty I dont understand and can't comprehend how there would be any.
I'm glad you made this. I spent a pretty penny on a p320 compact x carry. With sight cut, night sights, and the beautiful flat faced trigger and I shot the best with it out of any of my guns. I stopped carrying because I heard all these seemingly overblown stories, some probably made up, and I was worried my leg was going to be blown off.
Thrse guns are fine
Thank you very much for posting this review. You have def set my mind at ease over this issue. I carry a 320 for my edc and this really went a long way in explaining the inner workings of the 320. Thanks again.
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As an M18 owner I thank you as well.
By design most modern guns are safe, but it doesn’t mean you can’t have a batch of guns assembled poorly or have bad parts from a supplier. It’s obvious the majority have a quality p320, but you cant blame user error for all those in the lawsuit when there is videos of people impacting their p320 and it discharges.
Sig is a great company, just like most of the big name manufacturers, but it doesn’t mean they can’t have a batch of bad guns. Do your due diligence and have sig inspect your gun to make sure it is within their specifications and limits.
No one has shown a failed component that has caused one of these guns to fire. If it were a problem with the gun, someone would certainly have posted the source of the problem.
the problem was rush to blame owners and when someone posts what failed why do people have a problem believing that sig fixed the issue but how they got there gave themselves a bad rep on the 320
I have my doubts that the gun went off on its own. She had it in her purse. I would think that maybe the holster she had it in failed by letting something get into and depressing the trigger.
Yep.
Suggestion: perhaps demonstrate that the inner clearance between the trigger assembly and the slide's firing pin safety is adequate. Assembled, is the firing pin safety release slightly depressed, especially with downward pressure on the slide to take up the slack in the rails?
There's nothing wrong with them.
@@BoomStickTactical I'm not saying there is or isn't. There is slack in the rails that permits some movement. When assembled, are the clearances adequate to hold the pin and not depress the pin safety or release the pin during movement within that slack? You only looked at it disassembled, not when the components are mated and clearances matter.
The possible foreign object in purse scenario PLUS fairly light trigger is why I really like thumb safeties. Besides being a close copy of the new issue pistol of the Marine Corps, the thumb safety is a big reason for buying a P320/M18. If I decide to use a P320 for CCW, I can simply purchase appropriate frames and slide assemblies.
Some prefer them. Allowing something to get against the trigger is why hers went off
@@BoomStickTactical Yep. IMO, an activated thumb safety would have prevented that something from pressing the trigger and fire the gun.
Loose off body carry in a purse with loose items, pens, keys. Eye liner etc to get inside the trigger guard you are asking for problems. You need a trigger guard cover carrying like this.....the thumb safety can be clicked off rattling around in a purse.
@@bmphil3400 Totally agree about the requirement for a holster to cover the trigger guard! Dinosaur that I am, I still like a thumb safety if the trigger is less than 8 lb--about like a good DA revolver.
@@petesheppard1709 thumb safeties become a liability in a high stress situation. I'd rather have the revolver with the 8lb trigger or dao pistol than a light trigger with a thumb safety. Those snap on minimalist trigger guard covers work pretty good for this. My wife loads the Glock then snaps on the trigger guard cover and puts it in the purse. Pull the lanyard and the cover comes off and it's ready to go.
When I first heard about the P3 20 firing on its own it scared me so bad I went and bought two of them.
I would like to have a couple more myself
I agree with this video completely. Ive been carrying a P320 on duty for two years and have never had a problem. Poor quality holsters or improper fitting holsters, especially leather ones along with a trigger job giving the gun a super light trigger pull are almost certainly responsible. This could never happen with a proper fitting kydex holster and stock trigger. Custom triggers should not be installed in duty or everyday carry firearms in my opinion. These trigger upgrades are nice for a competition or range gun. I think most of these after market triggers are too light and could not only contribute to a gun firing in said "poor" holsters but could also cause an accidental discharge if you have to point your gun at someone posing a threat. Whenever possible we want to use our firearms as a deterrent instead of a weapon. I want to be sure that when the trigger is pulled, it was 100% intentional.
Bingo. Stay safe out there.
The issue is that the Sig doesn’t have an inertia trigger safety (many other striker fired pistols do have one), which means if a Sig is dropped on the tail of the slide, there’s nothing to prevent the trigger from moving backwards and firing.
There is internal safeties and physical barriers that block the firing pin. They're fine.
@@BoomStickTactical Not fine enough to prevent dozens of discharges occurring without people touching the trigger. Why anyone would carry this poorly made, dangerous piece of junk is beyond me.
Long story short this gun don't go bang
Unless the trigger is pulled...good to know
Exactly
Thanks for the vid. Have this exact same model. It checked out safe on Sig's web site via serial number. Use as a nightstand gun. Not sure I would ever carry on person.
Thank you for that explanation. Every Sig p320 owners needs to see this.
Thanks. Please share the video.
Well, here's a new owner of one that's watching
The drawstring from the jacket could easily get tangled in to the trigger guard when not paying attention when holstering and also a holster that is not made for the P 320 could cause issues
That can happen with any gun
Thank u for this video! Been duty carrying a glock 45 and just switched to p320 after seeing great reviews. I started researching the dropfire issue and had come across more recent claims in the past 2 years.
Im confident i can rely on this gun to perform as expected.
Quick question, do u see any great benefit of having a trigger safety like glocks do? Or should i not worry about missing out on that feature on the p320?
Thanks again! This gun feels like it is built for me.
That would depend on the skill level of the operator. As long as you keep your finger off the trigger and don't let it get snagged on anything I think you would be fine.
I think the biggest factor here is this:
Normally, a striker-fired pistol has a long take-up so that the trigger travels a good distance and breaks all the way at the rear of the trigger guard.
On the P320, there is very little take up and the trigger breaks without a lot of trigger travel... making it a short trip for the trigger to break if something were to foul that trigger on re-holster, etc. If you're gonna carry a 320, you'd better have 1) a good holster made specifically for your gun, and 2) a high level of trigger discipline.
yeah, some people don't get that what is a good range or competition trigger isn't necessarily a good carry trigger. A heavier or longer pull can be better for carry.
People not knowing how to handle them is the problem
@@BoomStickTactical The 320 trigger is not as forgiving of carelessness as some other striker-fired pistols are... but it's not a "flawed design" like some people claim. Keep that booger hook off the bang switch.
@@BoomStickTactical I recall all the negligent discharges Glock had when officers were transitioning over. Let’s be real, just because LE carry firearms doesn’t mean they are safe and/ or good with them! I knew a instructor that said cops were the worst. I am going to carry a P320 compact for duty use soon after 27 years using Glock. All these “sigs going off on their own,”makes me question why would I ditch Glock, for a Sig some. But as with a Glock, keep your trigger finger index high on the side until ready to fire. I’m thinking most if not all are probably negligence.
wait a minute.. the you tube gestapo doesn't allow videos of the completely legal activity of how to safely disassemble a pistol?
Nope.
I dont get this. I have seen other gun trainers break down a pistol on RUclips. Is this a new policy? New shooters benefit from this kind of demo.
@@houndsofvalor you never know what RUclips will do. I've had videos posted for years and one day they'll decide it no longer follows their policy
Excellent video. Just bought a P320 X-Compact.
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The P320 platform endured extensive testing for the M17/18 to be selected the primary sidearm of our Military. I don't believe our Military would have accepted a defective firearm. If the P320 platform is defective, where are all of the reports from our Military about unintentional discharges?
Good question
The military M17/18 does have an external safety though
The military mandates an actual safety switch on the weapons.
I have a full size and a compact. I have hammer tested and drop tested both of them....NO discharges!! I even bought a extra backplate, cut the bottom off, reassembled the guns and placed a small screwdriver in the back and forced the sear off the striker causing the striker to go forward and every time the striker block did its job keeping the pistols from discharging!!
Exactly
Law enforcement are given this weapon and are told to use it 🤷♂️ it’s there responsibility to learn how to properly handle this firearm. It’s lack of training period.
Big lack of training
Very good video. Thanks for that. I noticed that the weapon shown was well maintained and clean. However, some don't keep their weapon in such a nice condition. I wonder if the firing pin block can stich in the "ready" position in a really dirty gun. I also wonder if dirt can cause the sear to get into a wrong position after reset. Like maybe, the release is captured in the secondary catch position instead of the proper one. It's just incredibly important to keep your weapon clean and properly lubricated. It makes it more reliable for sure and, perhaps, safer as well.
Appreciate the video brother, I love my p320 and I’ve been carrying it for a while. Ive never unsafe about this weapon.
They're great guns
I just purchased a Sig P320 Compact in 45
Cal,I dont I know.if a recall on this pistol is in effect ,Did Sig already fix the.trigger issues on these New Ones ? THANKS
Yes, they fixed them several years ago
I came here to subscribe, after youtube tried to hide your channel from me.
Glad to have you here
I just heard about the lawsuit and thought, "crap, that's the model I just bought."
Thanks for this video, l will be keeping my P320.
Nothing wrong with sig
I am in total agreement with the findings of this channel. I must say that i feel this person that claim to have a misfire with their weapon, has to do with their own negligence! I am a retired Law enforcement officer of 30 years, and i just don’t see that occurring on it’s own like that.
Thanks for your service.
NASA didn't think O rings on the Space Shuttle would fail either.
I’m pretty tired of people telling me my firearm is going to fire itself. Lol
It's not going to fire unless the trigger is pressed
I have two of them and keep them loaded and have never had any problems. This woman was carrying her weapon in a purse now that’s being irresponsible she should have known better!
Yes she should have
Gun was duty holstered in the purse.
@@rsbreeze so the report says. I am betting it is mote likely the pistol was not fully holster when it fired.
@@Tazer120 I doubt it, these holsters are secure with specific retention devices. I have carried all manner of holstered weapons (leather, Cordura, kydex), in all manner of bags (range, backpacks, duffle, suitcase, breifcase). Never had one come out of holster, nor fire.
I have 5 Sig pistols (which I like) of 50 that I've owned. The only one ever replaced due to design and quality issues was a Sig P238, but were not safety related. That gun was redesigned and reissued. It's a fact that many weapons are rushed to market and issues are there.
Just a thought, suppose the firing pin doesn't fully reset, and is stuck part way? Or another component(s) not fully resetting, it may be possible to fire unintentionally under these scenarios? What is "supposed to happen" is not always what actually occurs!
The only way the firing pin wouldn't reset is if the slide doesn't go back into battery because of the sear.
@@BoomStickTactical Thank You for responding, and the explanation. To further theorize a possible scenario, suppose the sear to firing pin engagement was less than ideal. If the slide to frame fit was excessive, or other factors influenced this interface, could the pin "slip off" the sear and possibly have enough force to ignite the cartridge? I'm thinking from a standpoint of Glock knowledge, supposedly if the pin comes off the sear face, the pin is not retracted enough to have the force to fire. I understand the firing pin safety/block in theory, could it be possible that the pin doesn't return enough for the pin safety block to "reset" as well? Thanks again for your experience, knowledge, and reply! Forgive my hypotheticals if they are impossible.
I have 5 Sigs, including a P320X, P320M17, and P320 Vtac. Thanks for a great video and easing my mind. All of my Sigs are awesome shooters, reliable, and loads of fun to shoot.
Thanks for watching
Went thru the assembly information from SIG and came to the same conclusion. Mine operates perfectly and while it if a larger pistol it carries nicely.
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Several independent firearms experts have examined the safety features on the Sig P320 and determined that it would be impossible for the gun to fire a round without the trigger being depressed. These lawsuits are being promoted by anti-gun activists, in attempt to shut down Sig. None of the firearms named in these lawsuits were properly holstered, thereby creating the possibility that the triggers were inadvertently moved.
EXACTLY!!!
No its not. Theres a video of a guy dismantled the gun and showed and explained why it happened. Its truly a design flaw
@@jetfu400 A firing pin block is not a trigger safety.
I’m not sure that’s true. Why wouldn’t they go after all other manufacturers? OR, what’s your primary source proof that the lawsuits are promoted by these groups? I’m not saying they wouldn’t try some bs like that…
All that said, my gunsmith (who I trust above all) says there are inherent design flaws which cause the “uncommanded discharges”.
@@DookeyRidr Trust no one. Test your own gun. I did. My Sig didn't fire once when dropped. I have no plan to hit it with a hammer.
Exactly a lot of people on RUclips bash every gun made . There are so many Glock and Sig haters just because they don’t own them and never have .
Yep
The weapon was working fine. The Detective needs to just take that big "L" for putting a loading, unholsted weapon in her purse. That has Lord knows what in there. That could of easily got in the trigger guard, and force that weapon to go off. Unacceptable on her part. Own up to your mistake. And holster your freaking weapon please, thank you.
Exactly
Wait, I thought the gun WAS in a holster in her purse. I think that's what I heard on the actual news report on it. I have two P320's, both went through the voluntary 'upgrade'. With all the malfunction claims, I had considered relegating them to range toys only. I'm more confident about them now.
Thanks for the info and demo. My 320 is teaching me better trigger discipline/awareness.
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I carry a p320 M18 every single day
Nice
Excellent video
Thanks
I bought a p320 in early 2020. I have a stage one holster specifically made for the gun. Never had a problem ever. Getting over the zero safety factor took a few hundred rounds, but I am very aware not safety.
I love the gun!
They're great guns
Beautiful breakdown.
Glad it helped
Good video, thanks. If I recall correctly there is a Male police officer claiming a P320 went off on it's own in his gym bag. I saw a news story about the Female Detective's lawsuit and they list the total number of alleged bad discharges. I'd like to see the number claimed on updated guns. It would seem to me that if a lawsuit is claiming a gun went off on it's own they should be able to demonstrate/recreate how that happened. Use the same gun and show us how. Take your time. We'll wait. I think once Sig had the verified issue with the drop test that gave everyone who F'd up a way out of admitting it was their fault. Notice how it's mostly Cops? People who would lose their jobs if they admitted they made a mistake. And we all know most Cops rarely shoot their duty firearms. Most/all of these "bad" guns were probably in mint condition. Doesn't pass the smell test.
I've not found anything that shows these guns failing mechanically since Sig made their changes.
It really doesn't.
As per my experience at gun ranges and even shooting competitions, most cops just plain suck at gun handling and safety. That’s a given. Adding to the suspicion is the fact that there are no lawsuits or even reports of issues with military AD ‘s.
You make some very valid points.
Sig has got a lot of bad press because of how people have been mishandling them.
Seriously, though...wtf is up with that hairy pen?
I use it to scratch my ear
@@BoomStickTactical gross! 😂😂🤣😝😝
Thank you for clearing this up for me I inspected both my Sigs 9mm and 45 I feel comfortable carry them
They're great guns
There's just so many lawsuits and allegations compared to any other striker fired pistol, it's hard to ignore.
Glock had to face the same thing in the 80s
@@BoomStickTacticaland they paid out the nose in the 90's
Allegations made by unskilled users who ND'd, and lied to keep their jobs.
Odd that every other serious striker gun has an inertial safety in the trigger
@@wehrewulfwhat do you think happened in the Montville PD incident?
i’ve seen a video of it going off in the holster of an officer who wasn’t even touching the holister & some other youtuber made a video of it having a problem of not firing unless you literally shake it
I've got a video on it. Hendid not have the gun properly bolstered
I love my p320
They're great guns
I guess I am confused. There are all kinds of take down/reassemble gun videos on You tube. ? Having said that...to open a can of worms with today's gun people, THAT is why there should be a manual safety on all pistols of this ilk. Unless you are pulling back a hammer, as in the style of a true DA/SA, this is going to happen. 'Glock leg' is not restricted to glocks alone (although it is the only gun with a negligent discharge named after it) It doesn;t matter how heavy a trigger is. It is the sudden break.
Never mind the stupidity putting this into a purse with a chambered round. It is not a failure of the gun, that the trigger got caught on something, setting it off. it is stupidity and ignorance.
Yep
When you become more popular, there are gun hating ninnies that report you for anything. Then RUclips will yank your video off. The other videos I bet are lesser known gun channels, and not likely to be reported for disassembly displays.
The only thing I ever heard was that children now from watching TV/Movies know how to put a round into the chamber of an auto pistol, and gun owners depending on "It doesn't have a round chambered, the kid won't know or be strong enough to chamber it" was negated by seeing it done a 100 times in TV and Movies.
Just like characters having to just pump the slide on a pump shotgun, "For Emphasis" even when they pumped earlier. I think that's their theory, and "Teaching how to build a gun" from people who don't realize field stripping to clean and/or function check a gun isn't "Building a gun", due to their total ignorance of guns.
How far does the trigger need to move to overuse the components discussed?
A few millimeters
Excellent detailed explanation, appreciated.
I believe it's purely another angle of attack on the 2A and at SIG due to the success of this particular model.
Someone is still very pissed that they lost the military contract.
I think it's someone trying to blame something for their mistakes and get a big check.
@@BoomStickTactical that's also a possible angle.