I totally agree that although I have watched many reviews by Dough, he totally downtalked this exotic wonder. I too own one, a ZF and it is extremely robust, reliable and just a dream to look at! Thank you for restoring the reputation of this exceptional and beautiful machine! Well done!
I love the Maserati Quattroporte, but you have to remember that Doug reviewed a 2005 model, yours is a 2012 model. So obviously the car would be improved as new models came out.
Thanks for your comment. This is the refreshed version (of the SAME generation) which can be obtained for the price he quoted. The QP Generation 5 was out from the Model year 2005-2013 in the United States It's NOT the Gen 6. Think of it like gen 5.5. In fact, that's what I stated in the first minute. I see you think the 2005 Turo (Rental Car) stripper Doug reviewed is indicative of all Gen 5s, well...that is my point exactly.
I won't be ashamed to say I actually LOVE Doug De Muro. I think the key thing that showed the bias was when he said the engine didn't sound as good as the Gran Turismo, not realizing it's the same exact engine.
Besides choosing a very used base-model ‘05 Quattroporte, much of what Doug complained about were unique to that vehicle. Ferraris themselves have similar basic dashboards and gadgets without all the high-tech bells and whistles he’s probably accustomed to. Ferraris are known for their designs, lines and power. My recently-acquired, previously garaged ‘05 QP [just north of 17.5k miles] is a pure powerhouse and turns heads everywhere I go. It’ll be a classic next year (2025) and doesn’t give me any electrical or mechanical problems. It’s a very well-maintained “Neiman Marcus Edition” with a sunroof, heated seats and the khaki interior which matches your QP - but with burgundy piping which matches the exterior’s beautiful paint job. And most of all, I love the “F1” gearbox which isn’t loose and shaking. It looks delicate but trust me, it’s very sturdy. People who either complain, breaks or burns out the clutch probably never owned a manual/stick shift to understand and gauge the transmission and engine in between gears. ⚙️
Very good points. I own 2 Ferrari and wrench on this car, and you are 100% correct, it's a Ferrari. Also, the F1 gearbox is seeing a resurgence, it's actually the connoisseurs choice among some enthusiasts. Even Doug DeMuro has been saying he's appreciating F1 more and more. Appreciate hearing about your car, and congrats and enjoy your 4 door Ferrari sedan.
I really appreciate that you did this. My dad recently got a 2017 (I think) model for like 27k. Nice to see most of the bad stuff was taken care of. He can go back to pretending he’s rich again haha.
Thanks for the kind note. 2017 is a different generation, and from what I understand a much more reliable car as you said! Thanks for your note, and wishing you (and your dad) the very best. Cheers
In all fairness, you could make the counter-argument that Maserati should have gotten at least some of this stuff right to begin with. Early adopters were stuck with a transmission and interior that weren't quite fully sorted out, and it's not like they can download a patch to update their cars.
This is a good point, which I addressed in the very first minute of the video, hence I said one should get the 5.5 (if you plan to buy it.) This car first came out in 2005. Almost 20 years ago, easy to 2023 Monday morning quarterback.
Good rebuttal. I personal stopped watching Doug's videos after he bagged the quattroporte GTS. He seems to have a vendetta against the brand. I agree with the other comments in that it is probably just too refined for him. Yes the old ones had their quirks but that was part of the romance of such a prestigious Italian machine. Was then and still is now one of the finest sedans ever built. I have a 6th gen and it is by far the best car I've ever owned. Recent improvements have all been good, drive's like a dream and very reliable if maintained properly despite the bogus claims.
I took his review at face value. Now I realize that it just wasn't fair. After seeing dougs review again on this car, I realize that he was trying to bash it as much as he could. Doug had to have a brand that he hated. He chose Maserati
@@default123default2 His latest video actually ended up saying exactly what I said - I like Doug - a lot - it was good of him to acknowledge my point. So no harm no foul. Cheers
He worked at a Maserati Dealership and I suspect he might have had a bad experience. To his credit though, his latest review was good and repeated exactly what I stated. So all good
He did love the Gran Turismo - I think the biggest problem is the car he reviewed was rented from Turo....not very 'objective.' I find it interesting he no longer does this as well. (renting cars from Turo just to review.)
I actually have an 05 QP. I watched the Doug video and freaked out and thought my purchase would be a nightmare yet it has been amazing to own and drive. I know take his opinion with a grain of salt. He’s knowledgeable and great but he’s not always right. People need to stop sleeping on Maseratis because they are amazing. Or maybe they should continue to sleep so I can keep buying them 🤔
Thanks, Ciego, First, let me say I like DeMuro, this is not a knock on him. IN fact, in his latest videos, he's said the QP is a good car - his problem was twofold - everyday drivability of the Duo-Select and Price when new. With depreciation, we can no longer be critical of the high price, so what we're left with is the Duo-Select criticism. My friend was the general manager for Ferrari Silicon Valley when Ferrari owned Maserati. I can tell you that some folks actually prefer the Duo-Select, it is more sporty - something at home at the track or backroads.
@@econseer I’m with you I like Doug as well. I liked your video a lot and believe it’s nescessary especially today when people don’t have their own opinions and look to others to sculpt their thoughts. They may watch a video and hear a critique and believe that it’s rubbish yet very few people speaking on how great the car is
I have a 2008 ZF Sport GT with 50,000 miles full service. It has everything Doug’s car didn’t have and I likely paid 20k less because of Doug’s review. It’s immaculate. Thanks Doug!
I actually prefer the F1 gearbox. I prefer a more engaging driving experience more authentic to driving a Ferrari…having that gearbox pretty much makes it a 4 door Ferrari. The ZF just makes it more friendly for the market that ended up being the majority consumer. But to enthusiasts that wanted a true supercar experience in a four door package which is who they were originally targeting, duo select was just fine because they drove it correctly.
Yeah I was put off by De Muro’s review however as you say with the ZF transmission and the later models his concerns have been largely resolved. I’m planning to get one next year.
I won't be ashamed to say I actually LOVE Doug De Muro. I think the key thing that showed the bias was when he said the engine didn't sound as good as the Gran Turismo, not realizing it's the same exact engine.
Thanks @FrankValchiria ! Agreed. These Gen 5 QPs were made when Maserati was owned 100% by Ferrari. The QP6 are very different cars, not knocking them, but a lot of the things that I personally like about the QP5s, just aren't in the QP6s. NA F430 derived engine? yup. Steering rack from the Ferrari 612? You bet. Pininfarina design house? Yes! Bespoke custom interior with shared parts not with other Chrysler cars, but with other Ferrari? Indeed!
Im looking into a 2009 Base Model Quattroporte for $17k. It has a clean title and has 60k miles. Would you suggest getting it? How is the reliability on yours?
Hello Dhruv, I would stick with 2012-2013 MY - they resolved a lot of the issues. That said, these are still pretty much Ferrari, so you should expect everything that having a bespoke low production car entails. I don't mind wrenching on these cars, so it's not a problem for me. So far I've replaced the alternator, header gaskets and window regulator. I have a leaking power steering rack that's easily replaceable too. These things the dealer would charge about 10K at least. For me, it cost about $2,000 + my own labor. I own 2 other Ferrari too, so it's par for the course and I'm used to it. Just go into this with eyes wide open. It's no Toyota (which is sort of the point in the first place.)
@@DhruvDrives Anytime, don't hesitate to reach out if you have any questions. Long story short, I got a Four-Door Ferrari for 28K that I can drive every day. That's what the QP5 represents. Remember, this was made when Ferrari owned 100% of Maserati. No longer the case with the QP6.
@@DhruvDrives I still like them, they are great cars (The QP6) especially with the new Trofeo spec. Like you, however, I just prefer this generation. Cheers
Great video, I have been looking for a perfect condition facelift quattroporte for a while now. Love them, had loads of luxury and fast cars however sound and quality of interior is something else in these.
Thanks for your thoughts. I've had the car now and so far I've done all the maintenance work myself. It's not doubt expensive if you don't have the ability to do work on it. My thoughts after 4 years of owning it, if one is the type that can't do their own oil changes, this is not the car for you. On the other hand, if you aren't afraid to wrench, this is freaking the best car out there! Cheers
Great video, I too was so disappointed when I saw Doug's review since it was totally unfair and did not represent the refresh version of the vehicle.. I bought my 2013 (but the 2012 look) 4 years ago and I love it! So unique but it is very hefty in maintenance, be careful 14k in maintenance this year alone after driving over a pot hole!
Doug "I rented a car to make me look rich (make me rich by slamming it on RUclips) and I (sl)hated it because it was an abused and neglected rental". Paul "I saw Doug's video and bought the later model that is completely different". I think VBH and 'loud shirt' on Fifth Gear described the Duo Select fairly. You don't buy one of these expecting an Audi
I won't be ashamed to say I actually LOVE Doug De Muro. I think the key thing that showed the bias was when he said the engine didn't sound as good as the Gran Turismo, not realizing it's the same exact engine.
How long you have this car for now? Any issues of it yet? What’s your thoughts on a 2014-2015 used one? $25,000 for a used Maserati with low miles seems like a good deal. Compared to the MSRP obviously.
@@paulchua6572 Hey Thanks Paul for your reply! I'm glad you're enjoying your car and able to change the alternator without going to the stealership lol. Some of the automotive RUclipsrs and surveys like consumer reports always give luxury vehicles a bad rep and understandably so! I'm 22 years old and I know considering a used Maserati is a bad idea but, I feel like I can change oil, do minor repairs like yourself and videos like yours make me think the positive side about buying used luxury vehicles. I may be mistaken but, your generation Maserati Quattroporte is before Fiat Chrysler Automotive (FCA). Since FCA with Maserati and Ferrari, I always wonder if the 2014 are reliable than yours. I just wanted to see if I can purchase a 2014-15 75% OFF the MSRP and daily drive it. Thanks again for the reply and have a good day!
Guys. He is completly entitled to his opinion. 1st ammendment = Freedom of speech, the press, etc. He can denounce the car if he wants. I reviewed Doug's video just to see what the big deal was and his concerns with viable and correct. If they were updated, cool! But at the time, the Quattroporte obviously wasn't up to his standards. Frankly, it's a matter of opinion. And this, really isn't a big one. The morons in the comments saying "I don't watch his videos anymore." What are ya tryna prove? That one single view will make a difference? And you stopped watching why: Cause your opinions don't line up! Such a big deal for nothing! As some would say, "Kim, there's people that are dying!"
I agree Doug is entitled to his opinion. In fact, the very first thing I said is "I love Doug De Muro" I recommend you watch his latest video where he agreed with what this video is saying.
Doug reviewed a 2005, your car is a 2012. So, after 7 years Maserati made a lot of changes over that time frame. I am looking at a 2009 to buy for $25k. It only has 18k miles, so I may pick it up. Hope its not going to become a nightmare. The car looks fantastic. Far better than anything on the road these days.
That's exactly right, plus keep in mind the one he reviewed was a rental car 'stripped out' version - base model. The maintenance is not cheap, if you plan to buy one, make sure you are comfortable with either working on cars yourself or have good independent mechanic that doesn't charge an arm and a leg. I do my own maintenance/repairs, so it's cheap for me.
@@econseer I decided to keep my 2019 Alfa Romeo Giulia, instead of buying the used QP. I love the QP, but it just isn't a good decision for my wife and I. It will cost a fortune to maintain, while my Alfa is under warranty for 3 more years and is not too expensive to maintain. But I tip my hat to you and your Maserati. (ps. I do not repair cars, so I'd get soaked by the dealership)
I honestly really enjjoy Doug's reviews - although I do find the way he expresses himself to be a little whiny and annoying at times, I really appreciate the amount of detail he goes through when he reviews a car. It's genuinely interesting to get see many of the odd little quirks about some cars that you just wouldn't otherwise hear of and that most reviewers don't mention. That being said, having seen all of his Maserati reviews it seems clear that he has a personal bias against the brand, because there are so many things he picks on so severely in these cars that either aren't big issues, are misunderstood, or are just as bad on other cars of the era. The Quattroporte sadly seems to have copped it the worst. Firstly, it seems blatantly obvious that the particular car he reviewed was in really poor shape. One of the angles you can actually see the steering wheel airbag cover is falling off, and on top of that there was the wobbly aircon trim he mentioned and buttons that arent working - the fact that he just brushed things like this off as "probably just normal" is a clear display of his bias for the brand, as I feel in any other top end car (merc, BMW, etc) he'd have given it the benefit of the doubt. Secondly is the fact that throughout the review, he actually says a number of positive things about the car - particuarly about the way it drives. And yet when he is concluding the video he says something like "its a terrible car in pretty much every possible way". Which really makes no sense, because when driving the car the only thing he really criticised was the gearbox - and even then he openly acknowledged that the later models replaced it with a ZF. Another thing that makes his bias obvious is that as much time as he spent criticising the car, he made zero effort to really highlight good things. I recently sat in one of these Quattroporte models and the quality of the leather is like nothing else. That, combined with the beautifully finished wood, the salcantara headlining, etc - it's truly a special place to be. Yet he didnt say a thing about any of that from what I remember. Hell even when he reviewsd the Granturismo, which he actually didnt hate, I was amazed how much of a big deal he made over the multimedia interface - I believe he reviewed something like a 2015 or 2016 model, and he was raving on about how modern cars have big fancy toucscreens etc. But I currently drive a 2014 Mercedes C250 (W204) with upgraded premium MM system, and the system in the Merc is almost identical as the one in the Granturismo. You navigate the system the same general way, and it even has the phone dial pad liek the Maserati does - yet I bet if he revirews a C63 AMG from that year he wouldn't have complained about any of those things. I'm actually looking to buy a new "special" weekend car in a year or so and one of these Quattroportes is high on my list of options - I just think it's such a unique car given that you have all the style, elegance, space and luxury of an Audi A8, and yet at the same time you also have the sportiness, performance, handling and character an Aston Martin. I think that's a truly intoxicating combination and I also believe that this shape QP is absolutely one of the most beautiful cars (not just sedans, but cars period) ever made.
Pete, excellent points. I've enjoyed reading your thoughts. I won't be ashamed to say I actually LOVE Doug De Muro. I think the key thing that showed the bias was when he said the engine didn't sound as good as the Gran Turismo, not realizing it's the same exact engine.
really good summary. I would describe my Sport GT in the same way. It smells luxurious let alone looks luxurious when you climb in. Wide kick plate heavy doors, low seat with bolsters and the trident embossed in the headrest. The leather is a deep red wine colour with piano black interior. Double glazed windows. It has higher performance than most hot hatches I've owned and in sport the power band really let's you know a Ferrari engine sits at the heart of this car. The exterior in black has speckled flakes with big 20 inch wheels and massive Massaratti badged calipers. I get so many comments when I park it up. A truly special car. Make sure you look carefully and make sure for full service history and Warranty. You should have a bit of disposable income as well. They are not a cheap car to own long term. BTW in the short term I've owned the car it's value has risen. Worth noting. I suspect the ZF F1 has reached its limit in depreciation.
I think it's great to hear that the facelift model is a lot better, but it's the facelift model. You can't hold it against him because he reviews the exact car he got to review, but I'm sure if he knew more about the car he would mention it, I think it's just too rare in the US for him to have known. A lot of cars change a lot during their runs and you can't account for everything in any review.
Hello @dhruv the most important thing is to make sure the engine you have has the cam variator fix. That's a common engine issue. After a certain VIN, engines came with the fix. You can find out more at maserati life forum.
affirmative, I think Doug himself would agree. However, since most folks don't know that the model was completely refreshed and fixed/solved all of Doug's complaints, you can get very good deals on the later (Gen 5.5) models.
anything post 07 with ZF trans is pretty reliable. Just check that the things been regularly serviced. Too many get picked up cheap and then passed on because their owners are poor. You can get some real Sport GT and S bargains if you hunt around. Just do your homework and get one with warranty head to tail.
I'm not sure about the other brands, but specifically about Italian cars, Doug has a lot of inaccuracies and false statements in his videos. I am especially annoyed sometimes by the way he presents a particular car. I don't think it's particularly objective about and also accurate about dynamics and mechanics. But Doug has his audience and that helps him.
I love Doug quite a bit, with the number of reviews, he's bound to have mistakes. That said, he pointed out later on all the things in my review were correct. So that's a credit to him. The DuoSelect is also not bad if you are performance first, as it's technically the more hard core version, which ironically might be the 'true' enthusiast version in the future. Appreciate your comment.
I watched a lot of Doug’s reviews and on the whole they’re really good , but every now and then he comes across as what we call in the UK , a bit of a bell end
I upgraded to Naviplus - it uses the existing unit (so it still looks completely stock from the factory) but with Android Auto or Apply Play - always updated, don't have to worry about my infotainment ever going 'old' - that's my recommendation.
Hi Paul! I'm looking to get a '11-'13 QP GTS, and I'm wondering about USB connectivity? Could you tell me how many USB ports does the car have? I'm looking to charge my phone and use a USB drive for music. Is that possible? Can you at least play music from a USB drive directly? Thanks!
Hello Ameer. It does have a USB connection but not for music (I know very lame) - no USB in the back. I do highly recommend though the NaviPlus upgrade. This allows you to use Android Auto/Apple CarPlay without disturbing the original system (which has a lot of stuff that is linked to the car) - it is an overlay. No USB in the back. Finally, may I recommend the 2013s (They have slightly more power) and are probably the 'best' of the breed.
@@econseer Thanks for the info! One more question though: How does one use the onboard hdd, I understand you use a USB stick to transfer your music to the HDD, correct? Does it transfer folders/albums etc? Or are they just listed alphabetically or something of the sort? I know the 2013s are the best of the lot and have slightly more power but these are rare enough as it is so I'm willing to compromise a little. There is currently just one 2013 GTS for sale in Europe.
@@emixmim Yes! you can either play MP3s straight from the USB or copy them to the HDD (has a file structure) - Totally understand about the 2013s... Best Wishes!
@@emixmim Excellent, just a few more tips. 1) Make sure the model you get is the one that had the Variators resolved from the factory (Search Maseratilife) 2) be sure to read through this technical bulletin : academy.maserati.com/wbt/upload/lmsIveco-1564/011704-Product_Update_Course_EN.pdf and make sure you model has had most of the things fixed already. I'll have her for about a year now, and the only issue I had was the alternator went bad (Fixed it myself) for $600 - it's a Japanese Nippon Denso like my Toyota, so I can't blame Maserati for that alternator. Cheers
@@econseer have a happy new year mate. Over here you could buy a refresh 2010 Quattroporte S with 76,000 miles for £16,000 and one with 35,000 miles for £22,000 meaning a car with a 4.7 ferrari V8 (because its the S) is tremendously affordable compared with Ferraris
@@terrificspokesman7416, especially after Ferrari, spun off from Fiat, when these models came out - that's when it literally was owned 100% by Ferrari (itself owned by Fiat) - Lexus/Toyota - Acura/Honda sort of thing - but I think you already know this!
The 2011 base model is great! Don't get me wrong, I have nothing but love for the earlier models, and some folks actually like the duo-select, but most of the stuff Doug pointed out was issues with *that* specific car like the broken vent, color, lack of options like heating moon roof. He totally got the cruise control wrong (he admitted that though) and he complained about the infotainment on a 13+ year old car - of course it will be outdated, but easy to upgrade if it bothers you that much!
Paul Chua for sure..such a rare and beautiful car. So timeless and will only get better as time goes on. Nothing beats the masi v8..my dad just bought a 2011 gts👍
@@christophercomella5303 Top gears guys are notoriously and brutally honest. It's very rare they all agree on one thing. When it happens, well I take notice. Thanks again for your kind words!
Hi Morgan, I never drove the Porsche so I can't say. That said, I like this over the Porsche just on looks alone. I never liked the look of the older Panamera. Just my personal opinion.
I haven't driven the Porsche and honestly wouldn't have to in oder to make that decision. For me it would be the Maserati all the way based purely on exterior style, interior style, and the sound. I'm not sure there is any other 4 door car that can offer the combination of those three things as well as a QP. Closest IMHO is a B7 Audi RS4.
@@morganzimmerman6800 Hi Morgan, you had asked about 365/400/412 articles - you can find a huge collection here: drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/0B8teqGKDb3gkSllXSU5Zcno2X0k
Doug may move markets,. but he's a jerk. I owned on of these and loved it. A kid drove into mine and totaled it. Bought a GranTurismo. The fact that DeMuro's favorite car and recent purchase is a Ford GT says it all.
I don't think he's a jerk, at least with all the personal experiences I've had with him. To his credit he later said the everything in my video is correct. Sorry to hear about your car. Cheers,
@shazzamjones very true especially the 2000s one as much as I love the 60s one it was way too clunky in eveything besides engine transmission and driver train becuase duh 60s race car from New team
I own a 2005 quattroporte and i can say the gearbox is a piece of shit i got I for 12k and had to reolace thr gearbox 2x which brought me to about 12k in fiximg costs its truly a piece if shit for that
Doug Mauro is the most annoying , uninformed, and whiny reviewer on RUclips He has no appreciation for true drivers cars. He cars about infotainment more than driving dynamics! I own a 2005 duo select with 57000 miles on the original clutch and had no mechanical or electronic issues. I drive it on sport manual setting and it has 85 % the clutch. It is the best sounding, handling, and involving sedan ever made.
I think he personally just hates the Maserati QP because he had a bad experience. My friend is a Ferrari/Maserati dealership and has said he met many people that prefer the Duo-Select, and consider it the true "enthusiast" choice. Enjoy your car, it's a modern classic.
They are, but it helps to wrench of these yourself. In 2 years of ownership - the only major problem I had was a bad alternator (common, happened to my Toyota and Honda) - I replaced it myself though.
Every one who really own one said there fine , Doug is a none sophisticated RUclips joker and it’s ridiculous to chose a car for his words . Some of these clowns do more harm than good , I used to listen to them to help choose a car , no more ever .
I like Doug De Muro, he's my favorite car RUclipsr. I really mean that. That's one reason I was surprised. I was then compelled to make this video. I think what really bothered him was he used to work at a Maserati dealership and may have had bad blood he was carrying from that experience. Perhaps there was some old 'luggage' so to speak he was carrying. Just a theory, and totally unsubstantiated let me say. I just have to wonder why he seemed to have a lot of hatred for this particular model.
@@econseer Hi Paul I certainly don’t hate Doug either , this wasn’t really crisitism on him , but on all the people who see him as a car god and believe everything he says , like god said it .
@@mrkongsimr Oh for sure, some folks think whatever he says is the Gospel truth. The only truth is we're all human, with our inherent biases - which I'm sure I have as well. Thanks again for your comments. Best to you.
Interesting video, but still a weird take on the topic. Sure Doug could and should have mentioned that the later models were way better, but that doesn't make the one he reviewed a better car. Yours looks really nice, but I think it isn't really comparable to the early lemons
Concerning Doug DeMuro’s reviews: “Me thinks the lady doeth protest too much.” --Hamlet, William Shakespeare. Having a Maserati 4.7 QP (5th Gen) and a Corvette C7/Z07, I’d have to say the QP is more impressive from a visceral perspective.
@@econseer View counts don't say much about the quality of his reviews. It just goes to show that a lot of people find some kind of entertainment in what he does. As an actual reviewer? He's awful.
Doug is bias against all maserati. Hard to be a good reviewer if you hate what you review before you even start. He also used to do research before each car amd read that manual. The bottom line is he just dosen't care about this car. He probably shouldn't of even bothered making the video
Actually, Doug likes the Gran Turismo, and I do agree with him a 'new' Ghibli is overpriced. However, he definitely was biased against this, the obvious piece of evidence is the raves about the engine and sound in the Gran Turismo, not realizing it's the same exact engine in the QP.
I have seen the video of the gran turismo. I'm not going to go back and watch it again. That being said I'm sure he mentions how shocked he is that he likes it. Which proves my point. Everyone has a certain brand they dislike. Doug goes out of his way with this particular brand
@@FreeonRumble He also likes the Levante Trofeo. He definitely had a bone to pick with the QP and like most other reviewers was not a big fan of the Ghibli. I have to agree on the price - I would not buy either, but for current market prices? Not bad. Thanks again for your comments.
Doug called this car's later models a bargain tho, on the video he talked abt the 2005 but a 2012 if he was talking about the refreshed version he would've reviewed one. He reviewed the 05 for the fact that he likes weird quirky cars. Not bc he hates Quattroportes, you don't have to make a video showing that what he said is not true in a car that is 7 years newer than the one he reviewed.
Why do you think he changed his mind? Take a look at the time stamps of when stuff came out. The fact that Doug *changed* his mind *after* my video is exactly the point
@@econseer you are just trying to credit your self dude. A 2012 model Dosent have nothing to do with a 2005 he did not have to state in the video "but the face lift models got better" he's simply telling ppl not to buy the 05🤷♂️ if he attacks the car in any way cuz the rest it's just his opinion on the 05 model, key 05 model not 2012
@@ozzyprod9332 Huh? In his first video he said 'later models' get better? Can you show me by linking the video and timestamp? Easy to prove me wrong. As far as if he changed his mind because of me or not doesn't alter the fact that his *LATER* videos say *EXACTLY* what I said. You do understand the 2012 model is same GENERATION as a 2005? Are you mistaking the 2013 GEN 6 with my review?
@@rashid_art That's right, my car is not a rental car that has zero options, has broken parts, and has a different transmission. That's exactly correct.
So you're saying he reviewed a different car from yours, because it got updated later. Failing to see the point then, "yeah so the one he reviewed was indeed shite but it got improved later so he's all wrong". No, the one he reviewed from that year, worked like that and was shite.
The one he reviewed was not only a rental car but a 'base' model, that had Duo Select. Do you review an automatic stripped-out Miata with the old engine and make that indicative for the whole model range?
@@econseer So if he reviewed a 2015 Mercedes C class and stated it sucked that means he says ALL of them suck, from all model years and all versions? Sounds like you're just biased about it. The version he had existed at that time, if Maserati hadn't made a car that crap with those crappy options then he wouldn't have been able to review it.
@@permanentlydisappointed6594 Exactly. If you look at the comments in his review, people think ALL generation 5 Quattroporte's suck. It's like if you drove a rental car BRZ with no options, and automatic transmission (not manual) - and say all BRZ suck - makes no sense. My car is the same exact generation for the same price he quoted, and if you watched the whole video - I've destroyed almost every single thing he didn't like about his rental car.
@@econseer Yours might technically be of the same generation, realistically it had quite a few updates over the years as yours is WAY younger. Which brings me back to my point: pretty much all cars have updates over the years and those cars also get reviewed by all reviewers, which is always going to be an issue depending on which version they reviewed. As said if a 2015 C Class was bad and the newer update was better but the reviewer specifically uses the 2015 one for whatever reason, that's just how it is. It really just sounds like you're sulking over him not liking your personal car of choice. Besides, all Maserati's after the Shamal sucked. They're all horribly overpriced nonsense with horrible ergonomics and weird design choices that are just dumb. The only thing good about them is the exterior looks. I wish it wasn't the case, none of them are worthy of the brand name Maserati.
@@permanentlydisappointed6594 I'm biased? You just said "All Masersati's suck after the Shamal." haha. Hey you're a Maser hater - totally fine, you do you. However, your analogy is flawed about the C Class because nobody thinks ALL C Class cars are bad after one negative review. Many people after watching Doug's review thinks ALL QPs are bad. I took every single thing Doug didn't like about his sample and showed a different spec (that you can get nowadays for the same price) of the same gen resolved almost all of them. That's the point.
@@MrGlandon That's exactly what I said literally in the first minute (I suggest you watch at least the first 60 seconds), and Doug Demuro agrees with me in his latest video. So your point is?
Ok, give context; he reviewed a model that was 7 years older than the model you bought. Of course there will be updates as models get newer and improve. Maserati is still a piece of junk for the money; they use Chrysler parts for goodness sake! Perhaps, ask Doug to review a newer model Maserati and see what he has to say...
That's correct, I said that in the first minute of the video. As far as if Maserati is a piece of junk for the money? I would say that is some Clarkson level hyperbole. I bought this for $28,000 2 years ago - put another way- the price of a mid-tier Accord. Have had not been stranded on the road yet. Been driving her every day. Can't wipe off the smile that the Ferrari F430 engine gives, plus the Pininfarina design, and is always the only car of the kind in a sea of cookie-cutter BMWs, MBs, Audis, Lexus, etc... In my 2 years of driving, I've only seen another QP V 5.5 once. :) 0-60 in mid 4s? That's fast enough for me since my kids are in the backseat, besides when I really want to go fast, I drive our Tesla 3 or S. But they are boring. Sounds like I'm driving my vacuum cleaner, and the speed is not very usable day-to-day.
So Doug finds a 2005 model, reviews it and states everything wrong with it. You go and purchase a 2012 model and state everything that you disagree. This is the most pointless video on RUclips. You say you are a fan of Doug and his channel and follow up with “I bought a Maserati”. Doesn’t make sense. The thing here is that you bought the Maserati not because you like cars but because you like the looks that a Maserati gives you on the street. I can smell you bs all the way from Europe bro
@@FrankValchiria Thanks Frank, yeah Joao Miguel Costa thinks that all Maserati are bad, which ironically proved the very point my video was made. Doug rented a busted up 2005 QP stripper with problems, and folks like Joao Miguel Costa think all Maserati are bad because in his words "I don't like cars," just how it looks. Not sure why all 3 major US auto magazines said it drives like a 4 door Ferrari. Trust me I know, I own 2 Ferrari myself (guess I don't like cars....)
You're wrong. What Doug should have done, had he done a proper review, was to highlight the fact that what he was complaining about was specific to the early cars. He did it as if it was something on ALL QP's. It was lazy, it was misinformed, it was just really bad.
@@paulchua6572 it's real wood. But not a lot of it. Most of the "wood" of the part is still plastic. Ever changed one of these "wood" panels and wondered why it feels like a plastic part? Because it's just a plastic part with a thin layer of wood and some coating. It's more of a foil than wood really, they shave a log (not mill it).
@@rowdy6274 I upgraded the nav system, the wood is just as thick as I've seen in other makes. Fine if you hate Masers, no need to make up stuff though.
@@econseer I don't hate them, they are nice cars. Not making anything up, that's how wood plating is made, ofc in nearly every car the wood feels the same than. Still real wood, just not a massive milled piece
@@abreeding06 If you did, then how did you miss my thesis statement: "the things Doug complained about the car has been fixed, resolved, or updated in the refresh" Let me know anywhere in the review where I said the non-refresh is comparable to a refresh? The point of the video is the exact opposite, which I see went entirely over your head. You do realize this is the same generation? This is not Gen 6.
@@econseer I did. I think I just missed the point. Your video came off a rebuttal to his video of a 05 with a refresh model. Now I liked your video as an update version comparison of improvements. I guess my first watch it came off to me as a rebuttal video.
@@abreeding06 if you watch the whole thing, you'll also see the areas he got wrong in the 05 models too. The one he got was a stripper 'base' car rental via Turo. It had the following issues. 1) Broken center stack, 2) no heated seats, 3) no sunroof, 4) bad internal color, 5) the QP has the same engine/exhaust as Gran Turismo that Doug said is awesome (but bad in the QP?) 6) Duo Select, 7) he was wrong about the cruise control, 8) the gen 5.5 can be bought at the same price. Hey, I got nothing against Doug DeMuro, but when you review a stripper rental car and make that indicative of all QPs..... I mean I get it. Some folks will disagree with me. I'm just glad the Top Gear trio agrees with me 100%.
@@econseer it’s just odd hearing it used that way. It’s almost the opposite meaning of the first more used meaning. To each their own. Other than the wording throwing me off, it’s a good video. Hope to jump into a quattroporte one day
@@tnutss Thanks for your comment; just keep in mind the phrase has two exactly opposite meanings and can be used either way. I did you a solid and posted the dictionary definition here: ibb.co/J3q7QWk
2012? Even worse and yes it's a dumb comparison if your car is only considered a face-lift it's a huge one looks like a different Gen to me 7 years is a long time and you should know that
The video he made was only 2 years ago, on a 2005 model. If you actually watched at least the first minute of my video, you would have seen I mentioned that as well as the point of the video is his review was on a busted up, barebones, non-refreshed example (basically the worst sample you can get of the QP 5 gen) - not indicative of all QP5s.
@@econseer exactly. In his video he didn't say "The early model year Quattroportes with the duo select transmission is bad" he says they are bad PERIOD. This video was needed for clarity!
@@FliCarGuy Agreed 100% he trashed all QPs, when he should have pointed out the 2005 model he had was rented, tired, had problems, and a suspect transmission. Very unfair to review a broken car and make that representative of all the cars.
Sounds like you’re trying to justify a bad purchase. Maserati, this car or any car (except the mc12) is complete garbage doesn’t matter how you look at it. Reliability is out the door. Everything in a 2012 model like that is unacceptable.
how do you know, unless you own one? I have owned a BMW M2, Jaguar Supercharged, Cupra 290, Audi TTS, Nissan Nismo GTR. All great cars but the Quatroporte ZF is really a very beautifully made powerful car and much more reliable than I would have imagined. Their bad reputation is due to fast depreciation because like many cars in this saloon class and with similar rates of depreciation for example the Bentley and Porsche Panamera's, SL 55' and so on is that they get picked up cheap by folk who can't afford to pay the servicing. This is not a fault of the car! The Maz is one car I can park at the supermarket and every time I get amazing comments from young and old.
@@jgtemperton you don't have to own one to know. While true each individual's experience can vary, overall it is notorious for being an unreliable car. All Fiat brand cars have this, not just as a reputation, but also indicated in the stats about their cars. As for looks and comments from passer bys. That has nothing to do with its reliability. If you need the validation from strangers that badly and think it's a legitimate reason to own a car then...all power to you.
@@KRE8TVT still think I'm justifying a bad purchase, it's been 2 years. Still love it. Never stranded me on the road, love hearing the Ferrari 430 engine, love the styling, love that I got it cheaper than a loaded Accord. It's comfortable for the whole family, and the handling is superb. Hey, you do you son, I'll do me - with a big smile in my Maserati.
@@KRE8TVT The original poster said they are complete garbage. Its just such a ridiculous unqualified statement, largely perpetuated by Doug Monroe's review of a pre ZF transmission car (08) and the fact that they are bought by people who can't afford the upkeep and maintenance of these cars. That's why there are so many unreliable cars around, because they are often not maintained past dealer warranty and not because they are poor cars necessarily! Get one with full Ferrari and Maserati dealer stamps and be prepared to leave a healthy service pot to one side. Mine was immaculate for this very reason and the only car I have ever owned where complete strangers congratulate me for such a beautiful car in the supermarket. You do have to own one to get this.
I totally agree that although I have watched many reviews by Dough, he totally downtalked this exotic wonder. I too own one, a ZF and it is extremely robust, reliable and just a dream to look at! Thank you for restoring the reputation of this exceptional and beautiful machine! Well done!
Agreed, thank you for the kind words!
its a piece of shit and horrbile
I love the Maserati Quattroporte, but you have to remember that Doug reviewed a 2005 model, yours is a 2012 model. So obviously the car would be improved as new models came out.
Thanks for your comment. This is the refreshed version (of the SAME generation) which can be obtained for the price he quoted. The QP Generation 5 was out from the Model year 2005-2013 in the United States It's NOT the Gen 6. Think of it like gen 5.5. In fact, that's what I stated in the first minute. I see you think the 2005 Turo (Rental Car) stripper Doug reviewed is indicative of all Gen 5s, well...that is my point exactly.
Shhh don't tell them! I want to be able to get one cheap next year ;)
It's a beautiful car with a Ferrari engine. No further details needed.
I won't be ashamed to say I actually LOVE Doug De Muro. I think the key thing that showed the bias was when he said the engine didn't sound as good as the Gran Turismo, not realizing it's the same exact engine.
Besides choosing a very used base-model ‘05 Quattroporte, much of what Doug complained about were unique to that vehicle. Ferraris themselves have similar basic dashboards and gadgets without all the high-tech bells and whistles he’s probably accustomed to. Ferraris are known for their designs, lines and power. My recently-acquired, previously garaged ‘05 QP [just north of 17.5k miles] is a pure powerhouse and turns heads everywhere I go. It’ll be a classic next year (2025) and doesn’t give me any electrical or mechanical problems. It’s a very well-maintained “Neiman Marcus Edition” with a sunroof, heated seats and the khaki interior which matches your QP - but with burgundy piping which matches the exterior’s beautiful paint job. And most of all, I love the “F1” gearbox which isn’t loose and shaking. It looks delicate but trust me, it’s very sturdy. People who either complain, breaks or burns out the clutch probably never owned a manual/stick shift to understand and gauge the transmission and engine in between gears. ⚙️
Very good points. I own 2 Ferrari and wrench on this car, and you are 100% correct, it's a Ferrari. Also, the F1 gearbox is seeing a resurgence, it's actually the connoisseurs choice among some enthusiasts. Even Doug DeMuro has been saying he's appreciating F1 more and more. Appreciate hearing about your car, and congrats and enjoy your 4 door Ferrari sedan.
I really appreciate that you did this. My dad recently got a 2017 (I think) model for like 27k. Nice to see most of the bad stuff was taken care of. He can go back to pretending he’s rich again haha.
Thanks for the kind note. 2017 is a different generation, and from what I understand a much more reliable car as you said! Thanks for your note, and wishing you (and your dad) the very best.
Cheers
In all fairness, you could make the counter-argument that Maserati should have gotten at least some of this stuff right to begin with. Early adopters were stuck with a transmission and interior that weren't quite fully sorted out, and it's not like they can download a patch to update their cars.
This is a good point, which I addressed in the very first minute of the video, hence I said one should get the 5.5 (if you plan to buy it.) This car first came out in 2005. Almost 20 years ago, easy to 2023 Monday morning quarterback.
Good rebuttal. I personal stopped watching Doug's videos after he bagged the quattroporte GTS. He seems to have a vendetta against the brand. I agree with the other comments in that it is probably just too refined for him. Yes the old ones had their quirks but that was part of the romance of such a prestigious Italian machine. Was then and still is now one of the finest sedans ever built. I have a 6th gen and it is by far the best car I've ever owned. Recent improvements have all been good, drive's like a dream and very reliable if maintained properly despite the bogus claims.
I took his review at face value. Now I realize that it just wasn't fair. After seeing dougs review again on this car, I realize that he was trying to bash it as much as he could. Doug had to have a brand that he hated. He chose Maserati
@@default123default2 His latest video actually ended up saying exactly what I said - I like Doug - a lot - it was good of him to acknowledge my point. So no harm no foul. Cheers
He worked at a Maserati Dealership and I suspect he might have had a bad experience. To his credit though, his latest review was good and repeated exactly what I stated. So all good
Well keep in mind this was supposed to be a 106,000$ car. And please don't confuse unreliable Italian cars as refined.
He just likes to bash Maserati
He did love the Gran Turismo - I think the biggest problem is the car he reviewed was rented from Turo....not very 'objective.' I find it interesting he no longer does this as well. (renting cars from Turo just to review.)
The maserati quattroporte m139 is my favorite maserati.
And doug demuro just said not true things about that car.
Absolutely agree with what you said.
I actually have an 05 QP. I watched the Doug video and freaked out and thought my purchase would be a nightmare yet it has been amazing to own and drive. I know take his opinion with a grain of salt. He’s knowledgeable and great but he’s not always right. People need to stop sleeping on Maseratis because they are amazing. Or maybe they should continue to sleep so I can keep buying them 🤔
Thanks, Ciego, First, let me say I like DeMuro, this is not a knock on him. IN fact, in his latest videos, he's said the QP is a good car - his problem was twofold - everyday drivability of the Duo-Select and Price when new. With depreciation, we can no longer be critical of the high price, so what we're left with is the Duo-Select criticism. My friend was the general manager for Ferrari Silicon Valley when Ferrari owned Maserati. I can tell you that some folks actually prefer the Duo-Select, it is more sporty - something at home at the track or backroads.
@@econseer I’m with you I like Doug as well. I liked your video a lot and believe it’s nescessary especially today when people don’t have their own opinions and look to others to sculpt their thoughts. They may watch a video and hear a critique and believe that it’s rubbish yet very few people speaking on how great the car is
@@ciegosanchez5289 Thanks so much Ciego again for your kind words. I wish you endless miles of happiness. Take Care
I have a 2008 ZF Sport GT with 50,000 miles full service. It has everything Doug’s car didn’t have and I likely paid 20k less because of Doug’s review. It’s immaculate. Thanks Doug!
Exactly, great car! congrats!
I actually prefer the F1 gearbox. I prefer a more engaging driving experience more authentic to driving a Ferrari…having that gearbox pretty much makes it a 4 door Ferrari. The ZF just makes it more friendly for the market that ended up being the majority consumer. But to enthusiasts that wanted a true supercar experience in a four door package which is who they were originally targeting, duo select was just fine because they drove it correctly.
Excellent point of view, I've been hearing this a lot lately. Thanks for your perspective!
Yeah I was put off by De Muro’s review however as you say with the ZF transmission and the later models his concerns have been largely resolved. I’m planning to get one next year.
I won't be ashamed to say I actually LOVE Doug De Muro. I think the key thing that showed the bias was when he said the engine didn't sound as good as the Gran Turismo, not realizing it's the same exact engine.
As Doug said in the video, he said the one with ZF transmission are not that bad. But he should have talked about that more
affirmative.
A GTS post 2009 , HERE SELLS FOR 26k euro. amazing value
Thanks @FrankValchiria ! Agreed. These Gen 5 QPs were made when Maserati was owned 100% by Ferrari. The QP6 are very different cars, not knocking them, but a lot of the things that I personally like about the QP5s, just aren't in the QP6s. NA F430 derived engine? yup. Steering rack from the Ferrari 612? You bet. Pininfarina design house? Yes! Bespoke custom interior with shared parts not with other Chrysler cars, but with other Ferrari? Indeed!
Great video! The car really has a bad rep from that video, I'm going to try to make mine one of the most popular!
Thanks for the kind comments, you have all my support!
Im looking into a 2009 Base Model Quattroporte for $17k. It has a clean title and has 60k miles. Would you suggest getting it? How is the reliability on yours?
Hello Dhruv, I would stick with 2012-2013 MY - they resolved a lot of the issues. That said, these are still pretty much Ferrari, so you should expect everything that having a bespoke low production car entails. I don't mind wrenching on these cars, so it's not a problem for me. So far I've replaced the alternator, header gaskets and window regulator. I have a leaking power steering rack that's easily replaceable too. These things the dealer would charge about 10K at least. For me, it cost about $2,000 + my own labor. I own 2 other Ferrari too, so it's par for the course and I'm used to it. Just go into this with eyes wide open. It's no Toyota (which is sort of the point in the first place.)
@@econseer interesting. Thanks for the advice!
@@DhruvDrives Anytime, don't hesitate to reach out if you have any questions. Long story short, I got a Four-Door Ferrari for 28K that I can drive every day. That's what the QP5 represents. Remember, this was made when Ferrari owned 100% of Maserati. No longer the case with the QP6.
@@econseer yeah, I like Maseratis from that era. Ever since FCA took ownership, things went way downhill
@@DhruvDrives I still like them, they are great cars (The QP6) especially with the new Trofeo spec. Like you, however, I just prefer this generation. Cheers
Great video, I have been looking for a perfect condition facelift quattroporte for a while now. Love them, had loads of luxury and fast cars however sound and quality of interior is something else in these.
Thanks for your thoughts. I've had the car now and so far I've done all the maintenance work myself. It's not doubt expensive if you don't have the ability to do work on it. My thoughts after 4 years of owning it, if one is the type that can't do their own oil changes, this is not the car for you. On the other hand, if you aren't afraid to wrench, this is freaking the best car out there! Cheers
Great video, I too was so disappointed when I saw Doug's review since it was totally unfair and did not represent the refresh version of the vehicle.. I bought my 2013 (but the 2012 look) 4 years ago and I love it! So unique but it is very hefty in maintenance, be careful 14k in maintenance this year alone after driving over a pot hole!
Thank you for your kind words! completely agree with you!
This was solid, thanks!
appreciate you!
Doug "I rented a car to make me look rich (make me rich by slamming it on RUclips) and I (sl)hated it because it was an abused and neglected rental". Paul "I saw Doug's video and bought the later model that is completely different". I think VBH and 'loud shirt' on Fifth Gear described the Duo Select fairly. You don't buy one of these expecting an Audi
I won't be ashamed to say I actually LOVE Doug De Muro. I think the key thing that showed the bias was when he said the engine didn't sound as good as the Gran Turismo, not realizing it's the same exact engine.
How long you have this car for now? Any issues of it yet? What’s your thoughts on a 2014-2015 used one? $25,000 for a used Maserati with low miles seems like a good deal. Compared to the MSRP obviously.
@@paulchua6572 Hey Thanks Paul for your reply! I'm glad you're enjoying your car and able to change the alternator without going to the stealership lol. Some of the automotive RUclipsrs and surveys like consumer reports always give luxury vehicles a bad rep and understandably so! I'm 22 years old and I know considering a used Maserati is a bad idea but, I feel like I can change oil, do minor repairs like yourself and videos like yours make me think the positive side about buying used luxury vehicles. I may be mistaken but, your generation Maserati Quattroporte is before Fiat Chrysler Automotive (FCA). Since FCA with Maserati and Ferrari, I always wonder if the 2014 are reliable than yours. I just wanted to see if I can purchase a 2014-15 75% OFF the MSRP and daily drive it. Thanks again for the reply and have a good day!
Btw, a 2014-15 Maserati Quattroporte under 40k miles goes for around $25k-$35k here in Los Angeles, CA and I only want the V6 one lol (la traffic)
@@brianhua8226 sounds cool! I don't know much about Gen 6 however...
@Mister Sturm Very cool - you'll enjoy!
I realy like youre Car!!!!
One of my Favorit Masarati Designs
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Thank you for your kind words! Best to you
Guys. He is completly entitled to his opinion. 1st ammendment = Freedom of speech, the press, etc. He can denounce the car if he wants. I reviewed Doug's video just to see what the big deal was and his concerns with viable and correct. If they were updated, cool! But at the time, the Quattroporte obviously wasn't up to his standards. Frankly, it's a matter of opinion. And this, really isn't a big one. The morons in the comments saying "I don't watch his videos anymore." What are ya tryna prove? That one single view will make a difference? And you stopped watching why: Cause your opinions don't line up! Such a big deal for nothing! As some would say, "Kim, there's people that are dying!"
I agree Doug is entitled to his opinion. In fact, the very first thing I said is "I love Doug De Muro" I recommend you watch his latest video where he agreed with what this video is saying.
Doug reviewed a 2005, your car is a 2012. So, after 7 years Maserati made a lot of changes over that time frame. I am looking at a 2009 to buy for $25k. It only has 18k miles, so I may pick it up. Hope its not going to become a nightmare. The car looks fantastic. Far better than anything on the road these days.
That's exactly right, plus keep in mind the one he reviewed was a rental car 'stripped out' version - base model. The maintenance is not cheap, if you plan to buy one, make sure you are comfortable with either working on cars yourself or have good independent mechanic that doesn't charge an arm and a leg. I do my own maintenance/repairs, so it's cheap for me.
@@econseer I decided to keep my 2019 Alfa Romeo Giulia, instead of buying the used QP. I love the QP, but it just isn't a good decision for my wife and I. It will cost a fortune to maintain, while my Alfa is under warranty for 3 more years and is not too expensive to maintain. But I tip my hat to you and your Maserati. (ps. I do not repair cars, so I'd get soaked by the dealership)
@@23Piccolina The Giulia is a great car. Got to drive one in Italy for a week. Loved every minute. Enjoy and drive in good health.
@@econseer thanks so much
I dont think you get it. He didnt review the refresh you have. He reviewed the previous model.
I don't get it? is that why I stated the refresh is the model being reviewed in the first minute of the video?
And he applied it to all masseratis lol
I honestly really enjjoy Doug's reviews - although I do find the way he expresses himself to be a little whiny and annoying at times, I really appreciate the amount of detail he goes through when he reviews a car. It's genuinely interesting to get see many of the odd little quirks about some cars that you just wouldn't otherwise hear of and that most reviewers don't mention.
That being said, having seen all of his Maserati reviews it seems clear that he has a personal bias against the brand, because there are so many things he picks on so severely in these cars that either aren't big issues, are misunderstood, or are just as bad on other cars of the era. The Quattroporte sadly seems to have copped it the worst.
Firstly, it seems blatantly obvious that the particular car he reviewed was in really poor shape. One of the angles you can actually see the steering wheel airbag cover is falling off, and on top of that there was the wobbly aircon trim he mentioned and buttons that arent working - the fact that he just brushed things like this off as "probably just normal" is a clear display of his bias for the brand, as I feel in any other top end car (merc, BMW, etc) he'd have given it the benefit of the doubt.
Secondly is the fact that throughout the review, he actually says a number of positive things about the car - particuarly about the way it drives. And yet when he is concluding the video he says something like "its a terrible car in pretty much every possible way". Which really makes no sense, because when driving the car the only thing he really criticised was the gearbox - and even then he openly acknowledged that the later models replaced it with a ZF.
Another thing that makes his bias obvious is that as much time as he spent criticising the car, he made zero effort to really highlight good things. I recently sat in one of these Quattroporte models and the quality of the leather is like nothing else. That, combined with the beautifully finished wood, the salcantara headlining, etc - it's truly a special place to be. Yet he didnt say a thing about any of that from what I remember.
Hell even when he reviewsd the Granturismo, which he actually didnt hate, I was amazed how much of a big deal he made over the multimedia interface - I believe he reviewed something like a 2015 or 2016 model, and he was raving on about how modern cars have big fancy toucscreens etc. But I currently drive a 2014 Mercedes C250 (W204) with upgraded premium MM system, and the system in the Merc is almost identical as the one in the Granturismo. You navigate the system the same general way, and it even has the phone dial pad liek the Maserati does - yet I bet if he revirews a C63 AMG from that year he wouldn't have complained about any of those things.
I'm actually looking to buy a new "special" weekend car in a year or so and one of these Quattroportes is high on my list of options - I just think it's such a unique car given that you have all the style, elegance, space and luxury of an Audi A8, and yet at the same time you also have the sportiness, performance, handling and character an Aston Martin. I think that's a truly intoxicating combination and I also believe that this shape QP is absolutely one of the most beautiful cars (not just sedans, but cars period) ever made.
Pete, excellent points. I've enjoyed reading your thoughts. I won't be ashamed to say I actually LOVE Doug De Muro. I think the key thing that showed the bias was when he said the engine didn't sound as good as the Gran Turismo, not realizing it's the same exact engine.
really good summary. I would describe my Sport GT in the same way. It smells luxurious let alone looks luxurious when you climb in. Wide kick plate heavy doors, low seat with bolsters and the trident embossed in the headrest. The leather is a deep red wine colour with piano black interior. Double glazed windows. It has higher performance than most hot hatches I've owned and in sport the power band really let's you know a Ferrari engine sits at the heart of this car. The exterior in black has speckled flakes with big 20 inch wheels and massive Massaratti badged calipers. I get so many comments when I park it up. A truly special car. Make sure you look carefully and make sure for full service history and Warranty. You should have a bit of disposable income as well. They are not a cheap car to own long term. BTW in the short term I've owned the car it's value has risen. Worth noting. I suspect the ZF F1 has reached its limit in depreciation.
@@jgtemperton Thank you so much. You're thoughts are spot on. I think they are of great value.
Doug is so wrong, so biased, and so ludicrous in this review, it discounts every review his done. Would watch another one.
Wait your Maserati has massage seats? Do you know if that was a option or came stock?
It was an option. Here is more info! www.maseratilife.com/threads/massaging-seats.99233/
I think it's great to hear that the facelift model is a lot better, but it's the facelift model. You can't hold it against him because he reviews the exact car he got to review, but I'm sure if he knew more about the car he would mention it, I think it's just too rare in the US for him to have known. A lot of cars change a lot during their runs and you can't account for everything in any review.
Great points. Doug actually agreed with me in his latest video.
Maserati should give Doug deMouro a free Maserati, if not for Doug they would still be POS.
hahahaha! so true! Although in his latest video he said this version of the Maserati is good! So he's coming around!
What are your thoughts on a 2010 Maserati GranTurismo with only 13k miles? Is it a good idea to buy or stay away?
Hello @dhruv the most important thing is to make sure the engine you have has the cam variator fix. That's a common engine issue. After a certain VIN, engines came with the fix. You can find out more at maserati life forum.
@@econseer thanks!
So basically the newer model quattroporte are much better
affirmative, I think Doug himself would agree. However, since most folks don't know that the model was completely refreshed and fixed/solved all of Doug's complaints, you can get very good deals on the later (Gen 5.5) models.
anything post 07 with ZF trans is pretty reliable. Just check that the things been regularly serviced. Too many get picked up cheap and then passed on because their owners are poor. You can get some real Sport GT and S bargains if you hunt around. Just do your homework and get one with warranty head to tail.
I'm not sure about the other brands, but specifically about Italian cars, Doug has a lot of inaccuracies and false statements in his videos. I am especially annoyed sometimes by the way he presents a particular car. I don't think it's particularly objective about and also accurate about dynamics and mechanics. But Doug has his audience and that helps him.
I love Doug quite a bit, with the number of reviews, he's bound to have mistakes. That said, he pointed out later on all the things in my review were correct. So that's a credit to him. The DuoSelect is also not bad if you are performance first, as it's technically the more hard core version, which ironically might be the 'true' enthusiast version in the future. Appreciate your comment.
I watched a lot of Doug’s reviews and on the whole they’re really good , but every now and then he comes across as what we call in the UK , a bit of a bell end
I like Doug a lot, he's great. I just think he got it wrong here, which to his credit, he acknowledged in a later video.
And nothing wrong with the dual select, just read the manual and drive it right.
I've talked to several people that actually prefer it. So I understand where you're coming from. Some even consider it the true enthusiast choice.
Yes, I believe it is, in manual mode is heaps of fun, I love it.
@@rjb7026 Enjoy my friend!!!
How do you play music in this car that has a keypad to change the radio?
I upgraded to Naviplus - it uses the existing unit (so it still looks completely stock from the factory) but with Android Auto or Apply Play - always updated, don't have to worry about my infotainment ever going 'old' - that's my recommendation.
Hi Paul! I'm looking to get a '11-'13 QP GTS, and I'm wondering about USB connectivity? Could you tell me how many USB ports does the car have? I'm looking to charge my phone and use a USB drive for music. Is that possible? Can you at least play music from a USB drive directly? Thanks!
Hello Ameer. It does have a USB connection but not for music (I know very lame) - no USB in the back.
I do highly recommend though the NaviPlus upgrade. This allows you to use Android Auto/Apple CarPlay without disturbing the original system (which has a lot of stuff that is linked to the car) - it is an overlay.
No USB in the back.
Finally, may I recommend the 2013s (They have slightly more power) and are probably the 'best' of the breed.
@@econseer Thanks for the info! One more question though: How does one use the onboard hdd, I understand you use a USB stick to transfer your music to the HDD, correct? Does it transfer folders/albums etc? Or are they just listed alphabetically or something of the sort?
I know the 2013s are the best of the lot and have slightly more power but these are rare enough as it is so I'm willing to compromise a little. There is currently just one 2013 GTS for sale in Europe.
@@emixmim Yes! you can either play MP3s straight from the USB or copy them to the HDD (has a file structure) - Totally understand about the 2013s... Best Wishes!
@@econseer Thank you very much! This helped out a lot! Definitely have to look for a 11-13 car.
@@emixmim Excellent, just a few more tips. 1) Make sure the model you get is the one that had the Variators resolved from the factory (Search Maseratilife) 2) be sure to read through this technical bulletin : academy.maserati.com/wbt/upload/lmsIveco-1564/011704-Product_Update_Course_EN.pdf and make sure you model has had most of the things fixed already.
I'll have her for about a year now, and the only issue I had was the alternator went bad (Fixed it myself) for $600 - it's a Japanese Nippon Denso like my Toyota, so I can't blame Maserati for that alternator.
Cheers
Love this video. Very thorough.
Thank you so much for your kind words - have a great day.
You should post more videos of your QP
Thanks!! I've owned it now for almost 4 years - LOVE LOVE LOVE IT! I should post more! appreciate your kind note!
Very nice review. I love the way you say quattroporte. These cars are quite cheap here in the UK
Thank you for your kind words Aaron, wishing you and your family Happy Holidays and a great 2021.
@@econseer have a happy new year mate. Over here you could buy a refresh 2010 Quattroporte S with 76,000 miles for £16,000 and one with 35,000 miles for £22,000 meaning a car with a 4.7 ferrari V8 (because its the S) is tremendously affordable compared with Ferraris
@@terrificspokesman7416 That's exactly right my friend! Best deal on the planet if you want a Ferrari.
@@econseer yep it's a very good deal
@@terrificspokesman7416, especially after Ferrari, spun off from Fiat, when these models came out - that's when it literally was owned 100% by Ferrari (itself owned by Fiat) - Lexus/Toyota - Acura/Honda sort of thing - but I think you already know this!
I love this car...doug demuro is so confuse
I like Doug, but the one he reviewed was a lemon and an early generation, not very fair.
I have a 2011 base model and it is also a great car. DeMuro got the worst possible year and a bad car individually too.
The 2011 base model is great! Don't get me wrong, I have nothing but love for the earlier models, and some folks actually like the duo-select, but most of the stuff Doug pointed out was issues with *that* specific car like the broken vent, color, lack of options like heating moon roof. He totally got the cruise control wrong (he admitted that though) and he complained about the infotainment on a 13+ year old car - of course it will be outdated, but easy to upgrade if it bothers you that much!
That top gear gets me everytime
Paul Chua for sure..such a rare and beautiful car. So timeless and will only get better as time goes on. Nothing beats the masi v8..my dad just bought a 2011 gts👍
@@christophercomella5303 Top gears guys are notoriously and brutally honest. It's very rare they all agree on one thing. When it happens, well I take notice. Thanks again for your kind words!
Great clip, good job!
Thank you sir!
Would you buy this over say a 2012-14 panamera 4? Just as an example. I’ve driven the Porsche but not the Maserati.
Hi Morgan, I never drove the Porsche so I can't say. That said, I like this over the Porsche just on looks alone. I never liked the look of the older Panamera. Just my personal opinion.
I haven't driven the Porsche and honestly wouldn't have to in oder to make that decision. For me it would be the Maserati all the way based purely on exterior style, interior style, and the sound. I'm not sure there is any other 4 door car that can offer the combination of those three things as well as a QP. Closest IMHO is a B7 Audi RS4.
Pete maybe it was a silly comparison on my part. I just heard $30k and was saying they seem to be in a similar price range for these years.
@@morganzimmerman6800 Hi Morgan, you had asked about 365/400/412 articles - you can find a huge collection here: drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/0B8teqGKDb3gkSllXSU5Zcno2X0k
@@econseer thanks man. Don’t mean to fill up your comments section. I’ve seen your posts on Ferrari chat before that’s why.
Check engine light proceeds not to turn off 😂
7:09 ?
Doug may move markets,. but he's a jerk. I owned on of these and loved it. A kid drove into mine and totaled it. Bought a GranTurismo. The fact that DeMuro's favorite car and recent purchase is a Ford GT says it all.
I don't think he's a jerk, at least with all the personal experiences I've had with him. To his credit he later said the everything in my video is correct. Sorry to hear about your car. Cheers,
What the fuck is that supposed to mean? The Ford GT is one of the best 2000s mid level supercars to exist lol
The Ford GT (all 3 generations) are some of the finest cars of all time@@blackeye3336
@shazzamjones very true especially the 2000s one as much as I love the 60s one it was way too clunky in eveything besides engine transmission and driver train becuase duh 60s race car from New team
I am not going to take advice about an Italian car from a guy who clearly has no style.
I own a 2005 quattroporte and i can say the gearbox is a piece of shit i got I for 12k and had to reolace thr gearbox 2x which brought me to about 12k in fiximg costs its truly a piece if shit for that
Mind you it came with 28k miles already needed the gearbox replaced at 7k miles
@@brandonleesilvano9465 affirmative, that's why the 2009-2013 Gen 5.5 is a much better proposition. ZF Transmission. (As stated in the video.)
sorry to hear this, this was DuMuro's biggest issue, which the cars with ZF transmission don't have to worry about.
Yours is a GTS it seems
Buddy reviewed a 2005 duo select and bashed it LOL!
Hi, the recent review was much better, Doug said if you got the ZF transmission, it's a good car. Thanks for your comment!
Doug Mauro is the most annoying , uninformed, and whiny reviewer on RUclips
He has no appreciation for true drivers cars. He cars about infotainment more than driving dynamics!
I own a 2005 duo select with 57000 miles on the original clutch and had no mechanical or electronic issues. I drive it on sport manual setting and it has 85 % the clutch. It is the best sounding, handling, and involving sedan ever made.
I think he personally just hates the Maserati QP because he had a bad experience. My friend is a Ferrari/Maserati dealership and has said he met many people that prefer the Duo-Select, and consider it the true "enthusiast" choice. Enjoy your car, it's a modern classic.
I recon Douglas girlfriend ran off with an Italian who drove a Maserati.
Are these expensive to maintain
They are, but it helps to wrench of these yourself. In 2 years of ownership - the only major problem I had was a bad alternator (common, happened to my Toyota and Honda) - I replaced it myself though.
you should be putting about 800-1200k a year aside for servicing and warranty. Cheap to buy but expensive to maintain. Plus they really drink.
What year is your car
2012
Doug is fuckn this car is amazing ill take it over any S500 or 750il that year he just finds dumbest shit not to like
I like all cars, even the S500 and 750. Doug to his credit updated this views in later videos.
Is your model a GTS bro?
It is a 2012 S, - the later years models used all the GTS exterior components. I think 2011-2013 models in particular.
@@econseer Thanks
The qp gts is the best sedan ever made ...... Period!!
@@paulchua6572 and thats what makes it the best!! Btw I own a 2011 GTS so I know how good it is!
@@robertcomella8486 Agree 100%
Every one who really own one said there fine , Doug is a none sophisticated RUclips joker and it’s ridiculous to chose a car for his words .
Some of these clowns do more harm than good , I used to listen to them to help choose a car , no more ever .
I like Doug De Muro, he's my favorite car RUclipsr. I really mean that. That's one reason I was surprised. I was then compelled to make this video. I think what really bothered him was he used to work at a Maserati dealership and may have had bad blood he was carrying from that experience. Perhaps there was some old 'luggage' so to speak he was carrying. Just a theory, and totally unsubstantiated let me say. I just have to wonder why he seemed to have a lot of hatred for this particular model.
@@econseer Hi Paul I certainly don’t hate Doug either , this wasn’t really crisitism on him , but on all the people who see him as a car god and believe everything he says , like god said it .
@@mrkongsimr Oh for sure, some folks think whatever he says is the Gospel truth. The only truth is we're all human, with our inherent biases - which I'm sure I have as well. Thanks again for your comments. Best to you.
Interesting video, but still a weird take on the topic. Sure Doug could and should have mentioned that the later models were way better, but that doesn't make the one he reviewed a better car. Yours looks really nice, but I think it isn't really comparable to the early lemons
If you watched the whole video, that's exactly my point.
Concerning Doug DeMuro’s reviews: “Me thinks the lady doeth protest too much.” --Hamlet, William Shakespeare.
Having a Maserati 4.7 QP (5th Gen) and a Corvette C7/Z07, I’d have to say the QP is more impressive from a visceral perspective.
well - given he agreed with me in his latest video, I would say you got it backward.
Doug the best car RUclipsr out??
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yup, my opinion - I think his view counts would agree with me.
@@econseer View counts don't say much about the quality of his reviews. It just goes to show that a lot of people find some kind of entertainment in what he does. As an actual reviewer? He's awful.
@@AB-80X I respect some may not like him, that's cool - I still like his reviews, just that some of them I think miss the mark.
Doug is bias against all maserati. Hard to be a good reviewer if you hate what you review before you even start. He also used to do research before each car amd read that manual. The bottom line is he just dosen't care about this car. He probably shouldn't of even bothered making the video
Actually, Doug likes the Gran Turismo, and I do agree with him a 'new' Ghibli is overpriced. However, he definitely was biased against this, the obvious piece of evidence is the raves about the engine and sound in the Gran Turismo, not realizing it's the same exact engine in the QP.
I have seen the video of the gran turismo. I'm not going to go back and watch it again. That being said I'm sure he mentions how shocked he is that he likes it. Which proves my point. Everyone has a certain brand they dislike. Doug goes out of his way with this particular brand
@@FreeonRumble He also likes the Levante Trofeo. He definitely had a bone to pick with the QP and like most other reviewers was not a big fan of the Ghibli. I have to agree on the price - I would not buy either, but for current market prices? Not bad. Thanks again for your comments.
Doug called this car's later models a bargain tho, on the video he talked abt the 2005 but a 2012 if he was talking about the refreshed version he would've reviewed one. He reviewed the 05 for the fact that he likes weird quirky cars. Not bc he hates Quattroportes, you don't have to make a video showing that what he said is not true in a car that is 7 years newer than the one he reviewed.
Why do you think he changed his mind? Take a look at the time stamps of when stuff came out. The fact that Doug *changed* his mind *after* my video is exactly the point
@@econseer you are just trying to credit your self dude. A 2012 model Dosent have nothing to do with a 2005 he did not have to state in the video "but the face lift models got better" he's simply telling ppl not to buy the 05🤷♂️ if he attacks the car in any way cuz the rest it's just his opinion on the 05 model, key 05 model not 2012
@@ozzyprod9332 Huh? In his first video he said 'later models' get better? Can you show me by linking the video and timestamp? Easy to prove me wrong. As far as if he changed his mind because of me or not doesn't alter the fact that his *LATER* videos say *EXACTLY* what I said. You do understand the 2012 model is same GENERATION as a 2005? Are you mistaking the 2013 GEN 6 with my review?
2020
2012 model, not 2020. Cheers
Your car is completely different:)
correct, that is exactly my point.
Paul Chua so the video makes no sense:) the car he’s reviewing is not the same as your car 🤷🏻♂️
@@rashid_art That's right, my car is not a rental car that has zero options, has broken parts, and has a different transmission. That's exactly correct.
So it's completely different and ur assuming the broken part
So you're saying he reviewed a different car from yours, because it got updated later. Failing to see the point then, "yeah so the one he reviewed was indeed shite but it got improved later so he's all wrong". No, the one he reviewed from that year, worked like that and was shite.
The one he reviewed was not only a rental car but a 'base' model, that had Duo Select. Do you review an automatic stripped-out Miata with the old engine and make that indicative for the whole model range?
@@econseer So if he reviewed a 2015 Mercedes C class and stated it sucked that means he says ALL of them suck, from all model years and all versions? Sounds like you're just biased about it. The version he had existed at that time, if Maserati hadn't made a car that crap with those crappy options then he wouldn't have been able to review it.
@@permanentlydisappointed6594 Exactly. If you look at the comments in his review, people think ALL generation 5 Quattroporte's suck. It's like if you drove a rental car BRZ with no options, and automatic transmission (not manual) - and say all BRZ suck - makes no sense. My car is the same exact generation for the same price he quoted, and if you watched the whole video - I've destroyed almost every single thing he didn't like about his rental car.
@@econseer Yours might technically be of the same generation, realistically it had quite a few updates over the years as yours is WAY younger. Which brings me back to my point: pretty much all cars have updates over the years and those cars also get reviewed by all reviewers, which is always going to be an issue depending on which version they reviewed. As said if a 2015 C Class was bad and the newer update was better but the reviewer specifically uses the 2015 one for whatever reason, that's just how it is.
It really just sounds like you're sulking over him not liking your personal car of choice.
Besides, all Maserati's after the Shamal sucked. They're all horribly overpriced nonsense with horrible ergonomics and weird design choices that are just dumb. The only thing good about them is the exterior looks. I wish it wasn't the case, none of them are worthy of the brand name Maserati.
@@permanentlydisappointed6594 I'm biased? You just said "All Masersati's suck after the Shamal." haha. Hey you're a Maser hater - totally fine, you do you.
However, your analogy is flawed about the C Class because nobody thinks ALL C Class cars are bad after one negative review. Many people after watching Doug's review thinks ALL QPs are bad.
I took every single thing Doug didn't like about his sample and showed a different spec (that you can get nowadays for the same price) of the same gen resolved almost all of them.
That's the point.
This is a 2012. Doug’s review was a 2004…….
Doug's review was 2005, and 2012 is the same generation. Also, if you watched his most recent video update, he agreed with the point of this video
@@econseer I meant 2005 but it is still a different design inside. They aren’t the same. Just saying.
@@MrGlandon That's exactly what I said literally in the first minute (I suggest you watch at least the first 60 seconds), and Doug Demuro agrees with me in his latest video. So your point is?
Makes no difference, the guy is sweet, but has no clue
Ok, give context; he reviewed a model that was 7 years older than the model you bought. Of course there will be updates as models get newer and improve. Maserati is still a piece of junk for the money; they use Chrysler parts for goodness sake! Perhaps, ask Doug to review a newer model Maserati and see what he has to say...
That's correct, I said that in the first minute of the video. As far as if Maserati is a piece of junk for the money? I would say that is some Clarkson level hyperbole. I bought this for $28,000 2 years ago - put another way- the price of a mid-tier Accord. Have had not been stranded on the road yet. Been driving her every day. Can't wipe off the smile that the Ferrari F430 engine gives, plus the Pininfarina design, and is always the only car of the kind in a sea of cookie-cutter BMWs, MBs, Audis, Lexus, etc... In my 2 years of driving, I've only seen another QP V 5.5 once. :)
0-60 in mid 4s? That's fast enough for me since my kids are in the backseat, besides when I really want to go fast, I drive our Tesla 3 or S. But they are boring. Sounds like I'm driving my vacuum cleaner, and the speed is not very usable day-to-day.
Later models use Chrysler not 07-13
@@jgtemperton again, you're right!
So Doug finds a 2005 model, reviews it and states everything wrong with it. You go and purchase a 2012 model and state everything that you disagree.
This is the most pointless video on RUclips.
You say you are a fan of Doug and his channel and follow up with “I bought a Maserati”. Doesn’t make sense.
The thing here is that you bought the Maserati not because you like cars but because you like the looks that a Maserati gives you on the street.
I can smell you bs all the way from Europe bro
@@paulchua6572 dont mind him just a hater
@@FrankValchiria Thanks Frank, yeah Joao Miguel Costa thinks that all Maserati are bad, which ironically proved the very point my video was made. Doug rented a busted up 2005 QP stripper with problems, and folks like Joao Miguel Costa think all Maserati are bad because in his words "I don't like cars," just how it looks. Not sure why all 3 major US auto magazines said it drives like a 4 door Ferrari. Trust me I know, I own 2 Ferrari myself (guess I don't like cars....)
If uve ever been in a refreshed one you’d understand its an amazing car
@@christophercomella5303 For sure! it's great!
You're wrong. What Doug should have done, had he done a proper review, was to highlight the fact that what he was complaining about was specific to the early cars. He did it as if it was something on ALL QP's. It was lazy, it was misinformed, it was just really bad.
That central console I would expect in some Opel, all that cheap plastic . Doug was on the spot with his review.
Paul Chua you’re trying too hard man lol, there’s a reason why Maserati depreciates like no other manufacturer.
@@paulchua6572 it's real wood. But not a lot of it. Most of the "wood" of the part is still plastic. Ever changed one of these "wood" panels and wondered why it feels like a plastic part? Because it's just a plastic part with a thin layer of wood and some coating. It's more of a foil than wood really, they shave a log (not mill it).
@@rowdy6274 I upgraded the nav system, the wood is just as thick as I've seen in other makes. Fine if you hate Masers, no need to make up stuff though.
@@econseer I don't hate them, they are nice cars. Not making anything up, that's how wood plating is made, ofc in nearly every car the wood feels the same than. Still real wood, just not a massive milled piece
@@rohanzky all big saloons depreciate. Maserati is no different. The Gradtourismo has actually risen in value over the last 12 months.
You should of did a review of the same car. You are tryin to undue his review by using a newer version of the car. Your review Isn’t comparable.
Indeed, that's why I mentioned that the first minute of the video. I recommend you watch the first 60 seconds. Cheers
@@econseer I did. Then can I ask what was the point of your video?
@@abreeding06 If you did, then how did you miss my thesis statement: "the things Doug complained about the car has been fixed, resolved, or updated in the refresh" Let me know anywhere in the review where I said the non-refresh is comparable to a refresh? The point of the video is the exact opposite, which I see went entirely over your head. You do realize this is the same generation? This is not Gen 6.
@@econseer I did. I think I just missed the point. Your video came off a rebuttal to his video of a 05 with a refresh model. Now I liked your video as an update version comparison of improvements. I guess my first watch it came off to me as a rebuttal video.
@@abreeding06 if you watch the whole thing, you'll also see the areas he got wrong in the 05 models too. The one he got was a stripper 'base' car rental via Turo. It had the following issues. 1) Broken center stack, 2) no heated seats, 3) no sunroof, 4) bad internal color, 5) the QP has the same engine/exhaust as Gran Turismo that Doug said is awesome (but bad in the QP?) 6) Duo Select, 7) he was wrong about the cruise control, 8) the gen 5.5 can be bought at the same price. Hey, I got nothing against Doug DeMuro, but when you review a stripper rental car and make that indicative of all QPs..... I mean I get it. Some folks will disagree with me. I'm just glad the Top Gear trio agrees with me 100%.
I don’t think you are using the word showstopper properly…
The problem with "know-it-alls" is they often are wrong: ibb.co/J3q7QWk
@@econseer it’s just odd hearing it used that way. It’s almost the opposite meaning of the first more used meaning. To each their own. Other than the wording throwing me off, it’s a good video. Hope to jump into a quattroporte one day
@@tnutss Thanks for your comment; just keep in mind the phrase has two exactly opposite meanings and can be used either way. I did you a solid and posted the dictionary definition here: ibb.co/J3q7QWk
This is a dumb comparison ur in a 2009 he was in a 2005 big difference
The 2005 he had was broken, I'm in a 2012 btw, it's the same exact generation. Watch the whole video and then ask what (or who) is dumb.
2012? Even worse and yes it's a dumb comparison if your car is only considered a face-lift it's a huge one looks like a different Gen to me 7 years is a long time and you should know that
How do u know it didn't come like that?
Also yours looks totally different on the inside way nicer honestly
How can you compare it to his video yours is 7 years newer this makes no sense 🤔
The video he made was only 2 years ago, on a 2005 model. If you actually watched at least the first minute of my video, you would have seen I mentioned that as well as the point of the video is his review was on a busted up, barebones, non-refreshed example (basically the worst sample you can get of the QP 5 gen) - not indicative of all QP5s.
@@econseer exactly. In his video he didn't say "The early model year Quattroportes with the duo select transmission is bad" he says they are bad PERIOD. This video was needed for clarity!
@@FliCarGuy Agreed 100% he trashed all QPs, when he should have pointed out the 2005 model he had was rented, tired, had problems, and a suspect transmission. Very unfair to review a broken car and make that representative of all the cars.
@@econseer Doug mentioned in his review that the later first generation Quattroportes had a better ZF transmission
@@arion9696 That's exactly right. In fact, in his latest video, he agreed with my main point. This is what I'm saying.
Doug is a terrible reviewer. Your video is exactly why.
I like Doug's reviews, just that on the QP 5 I think he didn't give the car a fair shot.
Clean your car it looks horrbile
sure, come on over.
Sounds like you’re trying to justify a bad purchase. Maserati, this car or any car (except the mc12) is complete garbage doesn’t matter how you look at it. Reliability is out the door. Everything in a 2012 model like that is unacceptable.
how am I justifying a bad purchase? It's been a year and I still love it. It's been very reliable for me.
how do you know, unless you own one?
I have owned a BMW M2, Jaguar Supercharged, Cupra 290, Audi TTS, Nissan Nismo GTR. All great cars but the Quatroporte ZF is really a very beautifully made powerful car and much more reliable than I would have imagined. Their bad reputation is due to fast depreciation because like many cars in this saloon class and with similar rates of depreciation for example the Bentley and Porsche Panamera's, SL 55' and so on is that they get picked up cheap by folk who can't afford to pay the servicing. This is not a fault of the car! The Maz is one car I can park at the supermarket and every time I get amazing comments from young and old.
@@jgtemperton you don't have to own one to know. While true each individual's experience can vary, overall it is notorious for being an unreliable car. All Fiat brand cars have this, not just as a reputation, but also indicated in the stats about their cars.
As for looks and comments from passer bys. That has nothing to do with its reliability. If you need the validation from strangers that badly and think it's a legitimate reason to own a car then...all power to you.
@@KRE8TVT still think I'm justifying a bad purchase, it's been 2 years. Still love it. Never stranded me on the road, love hearing the Ferrari 430 engine, love the styling, love that I got it cheaper than a loaded Accord. It's comfortable for the whole family, and the handling is superb. Hey, you do you son, I'll do me - with a big smile in my Maserati.
@@KRE8TVT The original poster said they are complete garbage. Its just such a ridiculous unqualified statement, largely perpetuated by Doug Monroe's review of a pre ZF transmission car (08) and the fact that they are bought by people who can't afford the upkeep and maintenance of these cars. That's why there are so many unreliable cars around, because they are often not maintained past dealer warranty and not because they are poor cars necessarily!
Get one with full Ferrari and Maserati dealer stamps and be prepared to leave a healthy service pot to one side. Mine was immaculate for this very reason and the only car I have ever owned where complete strangers congratulate me for such a beautiful car in the supermarket. You do have to own one to get this.
Maserati is trash
as opposed to?
internet troll seeks attention. You got it.
@@econseer all other cars at the same price point
@@jgtemperton speaking facts isn’t being a troll
@@JordanBlue1 you still haven't named one...