HOW TO CUT AND FIT FLOOR JOISTS INTO STEEL BEAMS | Build with A&E
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- Want to learn how to cut and fit floor joists into steel beams? We've got you covered! In this tutorial, Pete and Tony demonstrate the step by step process of how to cut floor joists from timber as well as how to get them to fit perfectly into a steel beam. Plus, Tony and Pete put the Irwin and Bahco 22 inch hand saws to the test and review each of the hand saws whilst giving tips and advice on them throughout the video.
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RUclips is a funny place.
Watching this as the vid is 4 days old. 9 dislikes!!! WTF. Whats wrong with people?
These builders are top line and pleasant enough to watch, giving quality free advice to improve build quality.
The mind boggles
Some people have such a shit life, they don't like anything.
Love the passion you lads have for the job👍, unfortunately most firms hate joiners taking there time these days all about profit!
Thanks for the kind words Brian! Take care 👍
Good Afternoon Tony.
One trusts yourself and colleagues are in good health. May i say how grateful we are for your videos, thank you. Your comment @10:07, in regard to the aroma of wood is so true. Like yourself, i love it and it will remain with me forever. I first experienced it at age 17, whilst working in a joinery firm, during the summer holiday prior to starting college. Despite not taking up a career in joinery, the aroma has lived with me, and i sometimes walk into a woodyard as an excuse.
With less than a year to retire, i am seriously considering taking a part-time job in a joinery firm to enjoy being around wood again.
Please continue in your noble profession, for we the public appreciate your learned art.
Thank you.
Thanks Anait, have a great week 👍
Great to see Pete less camera shy🤙🏼😂 Tony, I love your rapport with the guys, I bet to them you’re more of a mate than a boss? Brilliant to see, very warming👌🏼
Hi Marty hope you are well, Pete has come on leaps and bounds pure class he is, as for boss we are all family, thanks for watching all the best Tony 👍
Thanks a lot Tony and Pete this site is by far the best site I been watching, I love your attention to details brilliant keep it up guys 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Tony you remind me of my teacher's of past it's nice to see good working teacher's long live people like you who will be a guide for the generations to come.english builders working to their best.👍
Hi Naiem Ar,
Tony is a great teacher, who loves passing on his knowledge to others. It's a very important trait, as we need to ensure that great building knowledge is passed down to the builders of the future.
Thanks for watching.
All the best, John 😊
@@BuildWithAE thanks so much for getting back to us John keep up the great videos hard work attention to details and information
Hi Naiem thanks for your kind words, I’am a true believer in sharing knowledge, everyday is a school day as I was always taught, thanks for watching all the best Tony 👍 have a awesome week
Absolutely class to see the passion and attention to detail everybody in this firm demonstrates, in particular these two and Will the roofer
Hi Grant much appreciated great team work have a awesome weekend all the best Tony 👍
A&Es attention to detail never fails to amaze me. 👏 Just wish there was new videos every day! 😂
Hi Gary glad you enjoyed the video and kind words all the best Tony 👍 have a awesome week
25mm off a wall gives space for cable drops/pipe for other trades without them needing to hack the crap out of the joist and compromising the structure, or ugly transitions through the ceiling. A good tip often missed by many builders.
Hi Mark thanks for your kind words thanks for watching all the best Tony 👍
Was always told 50mm? I always thought that was a BS(british standard)
Love the videos Tony fantastic explanations as usual. Steve loves a good template it’s definitely the right thing to get the joists nice and tight and looking good. Although it’s getting covered over you know it’s there. Have a great week guys 👍
Can't beat a template! haha. You too guys, have a great weekend! 👍
I'm a bit forgetful as I get older, lol man I know the feeling, you guys do awesome work, can't even slide a paper between the log and beam super nice! 👍👍👍🍺
Hi Bud hope you are well, love your channel dry wall chimney was awesome workmanship all the best Tony 👍 have awesome week
@@BuildWithAE Thanks Tony, I got the email you guys sent over so I'll be trying to implement those ideas as I go, so thank you very much. Hope you guys hit a million soon. 👍
Another great video tony I have always said you guys have great attention to detail it’s going to look great when finished with that natural light coming in from the sky lantern. Enjoy the rest of your week guys take care.
Hi Kenny thanks for your kind words, the natural light will be amazing have awesome week all the best Tony 👍
Carpenter of 20 years here and I must say that the framing should always look as good as the trim. That is a beautiful bit of work there fellas. Thanks for sharing. And also isn't the chisel running through clean grain like that just so satisfying?
Hi Joe thanks for your kind words, so true nothing more satisfying than a sharp chisel and loving what you do have a awesome week all the best Tony 👍
Your attention to detail is first class. Love your video’s.
Thanks Frank, take care 👍
Hi chaps!... another great video! the work looks top notch and you ALL seem like a really cool group of guys! Look forwards to more vids! cheers! : )
Many thanks Popandu, this means alot! You take care and we'll have more content on the way 👍
Great informative video as usual Pete, you seem to be the best guvnor around wish there were more company's around with your attention to detail 👍
Thanks Jeffers, take care bud 👍
I was taught first joist should be 50mm off the end wall, and then mark the 400mm centres starting from the wall face, obviously adjusted for the thickness of your joist, to mark the joist side edge. Helps with boarding. Neat job lads.
Great work guy's, I just love to see people interested in what they do and happy to share. Thanks.
Hi Niall we are glad you enjoyed the video thanks for watching all the best Tony 👍
Just lovely to watch. Quality as always. I think Pete let the boss win 🤪
You reckon? 😜 Thanks for watching bud, take care!
Really appreciate a great bit of workmanship and knowledge have you both bunch of each other so well well done lads great videos keep them coming
Thanks bud 👍
Nice job Tony & Pete. As always picking up some great tips and advice. Thanks for filming and sharing guys 👌🏼🏴👍🏼
Our pleasure Rob and thanks for the support 👍!
nice one !!! plenty of rips for us joiners that have never worked on site ,,thumbs up mate
Thanks Ian, take care 👍
Nice to see the professional in action
Thanks for watching Clara, have a great week 👍🏼
Another good video Tony & Pete love the saw off looking forward too the next video stay safe
Thanks Mike 👍
Great video. Trying to do a DIY flat roof on a garden room with steel. This video should really help....lots of cuts to get it into the steel. Liked the rounding off. I assume thats to follow the inside of the web.
I'm pretty sure you can still buy plans with all the details you need on Stodoys.
Also Thumbs up to the camera man
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No wonder your quality is so high with such close attention to detail.No wonder A&E are quality builders producing quality buildings.
Thanks Maria! Have a great day 😊
good tradesmen,taking pride in there work
Thanks for watching John, take care 👍
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You know what they say about big hands 🖐🏼
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Top job guy's ( as usual ) looking really neat 👍🏼
When I was an apprentice we did a bit of everything and my boss Peter who is a superb bricky told me use every tooth and let the saw do the work .
Both saws would be lovely on thermalites😂. 😉. Great video guys love the finer details
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Hi Guy’s 😂 that’s what are bricky says I’am sure he grabs them before we are ready to hand them over thanks for watching all the best Tony 👍
Build With A&E 😏🧱👍🏽
Lovely to see good work ethics, Tidy work environment
Hi adangerousidiot much appreciated all the best Tony 👍 have a awesome week
Cracking work again fellas, always tip top!!🔨
Thanks for watching Kieran, take care! 👍
My favourite and probably the best handsaw that I,ve ever used had to be the banco barracuda,they have a nice mega sharp,sturdy and strong,stiff blade. They cut like a dream whether your cross cutting,ripping or even cutting mitres in skirting by hand,the blade isn't as deep as the standard banco or the irwin ones,I would recommend them to anybody.
Nice video btw guys,thanks!
The handles on the irwin have always seemed too big and chunky for my liking,I don't have small hands either.
Hi Mindyourown Business I have heard the Banco barracuda is a cracking saw need to give a go again thanks for watching all the best Tony 👍
Tony "Never really done battery operated tools"
Makita "Hold my beer.." :)
Interesting how he always said "what I was taught." A good apprenticeship with tradesman willing to spend the time with them are lessons that last a lifetime.
Hi Newsystem10 I will always be eternal grateful for the kindness and encouragement I got in my apprenticeship huge love and respect to the people who trained me thanks for watching all the best Tony 👍
@@BuildWithAE I can remember a number of tradesman whom I worked with when I was an apprentice painter & decorator. I still appreciate & use techniques that they showed me over 30 years ago. ❤️
Fantastic instructional, Tony. Cheers mate 👍
Thanks for watching Richard, take care 👍
Love the work and attention to detail! You've set my expectations high for our builder 😂
Great video gents! Thank you very much! 👌
Thanks Tim! Take care 👍
Great video, I’m not a trades person but totally understood what you were doing. I’m currently having an extension built on my house and this is the next task. Would have been good to see the process of creating the template too 👍
Where you cut the joists flush with the bottom of the steel have you ever had cracks on the plaster? I always leave a bit extra on the bottom to allow for shrinkage. Never the less your work looks fantastic.
Hi Rick that’s a good call, we have never had an issue but we do double board most of are ceilings for sound proof and fire it’s just something I have always tried to do thanks for watching all the best Tony 👍
Double boarding is a good shout. 👍
I agree, if it's flush the wood is going to contract more than than the steel. Had an issue in the past. Great to share info and you guys are spot on
Great vid, love the attention to detail. Do it right, do it once.
Hi Wayne we are glad you enjoyed the video thanks for watching all the best Tony 👍
Your so right avout taking them extea couple of seconfs when marking out. Ive learnt the hard way a few times on my own house rushing. I just have to keep reminding myselft measure twice cut once
Thanks for watching Martin, have a great weekend 👍
😃 just found your channel. very informative so i subscribed.
Honestly the passion and projects use have makes me jealous love ur projects as a fit out joiner really makes me think about my apprenticeship I have cordless tools only thing I recommend is a sds corded all the way apart from impact and drill hopefully thts a giving
Hi Jack spot on it’s a given, mind you I think I’am to tight to buy cordless saws 😂 thanks for watching all the best Tony 👍
Bahco barracuda is the one 👍 great work
Tanx for the upload great video👍
Thanks E K have a awesome week all the best Tony 👍
Fantastic video lads! You show the use of great techniques with pure skill. You truly are an inspiration to any builder/joiner especially those in training like myself. Can I ask when you put the joist on the 4mm roofing felt which then sits on the block... do you secure the joist to the block using a masonary screw? Thanks in advance! Love your channel!
Hi Manish thanks for your kind words and we are glad that you are enjoying the channel, we never screw the timber down to the block, timber is a natural product it will expand and contract through the seasons thanks for watching all the best Tony 👍
Thanks for posting your video about fixing wooden joists into RSJ's. I am interested to know what is being fixed to the top of the RSJ in conjunction with the height that the wooden joist is above the RSJ. This might help me correct the height of floorboards that are higher (running in parallel) over an RSJ than the rest of the other floorboards that span the stage of a theatre. Thank you.
Hi Timber most of the time really but don’t really understand quite what you are trying to do all the best Tony 👍
Hi guys, loved the video. Do you prefer notching the joists into the webbing or using joist hangers? What's quicker do you reckon?
I personally prefer notching but making sure I have a 4” bearing so sometimes have to weld a plate on the bottom of steel but hangers work really well 👍
Tony,this is how I always did it 😁but the trend is now is to bolt timber to the web and then use joist hangers?? Do you know if building control has a preferred method 👍🏻🤷🏻♂️top video
nope, either way is fine and is shown in the NHBC standard guidlines. Chucking a timber into the web is the foolproof 'easy' way of doing it, but no more or less effective than fitting the joists directly into the web. Google 'NHBC 6.4.12'
No it is to do bearing. This method gives less bearing not 100 mm minimum solid bearing expected.
@@abdulrashid3339 are you sure about your comment abdul !!!notching into the Webb of that size steel or using a joist hanger would not give you a 100mm bearing 🤔
Mark I am trained since 1984 and qualified buidling designer. From structral stength. I would always prefer framing not notched into steal this weak.
Try the bahco ergo saw , they do the handles in different sizes. Feel great in the hand.
Thanks for the heads up Paul, take care! 👍
I prefer Irwin handle but bahco blade 😄 don't use my small and big Makita saws much anymore. Have found weaning myself of corded tools difficult as like the power. The old OCD has got stronger with age with me. Can't even let a half mill go now, 😂
Love the video. Other than a snug fit is the timber fixed to the steel in any way?
If you have a 203UB and a 200mm joist are you best to align the joist with the underside of the steel for the ceiling and pack for the floor boards above?
plant on the bottom but either way is fine
25mm of wall also gets your first sheet of plasterboard on centre of joist 2.4m from start,ie,don't have to cut first sheet.Works for chipboard flooring,plywood, osb etc.
Hi Dougie King so true great shout thanks for watching all the best Tony 👍
Hi Tony, sorry i know this video is old now but i have a question. Will the joists literally forever float on the block wall and in the RSJ? i.e. no fixings or straps on any joists?
Hi TIY no worries once it’s nogginged out and some twist straps were implemented then additional block work it will never move plus we have used 3” joist not 2” all the best Tony 👍
And how years or duration can the timber last
Cheers for another great video, what are you using to secure the joists to the blocks.
Hi Blue boy as you can imagine the joist are crossed noggins then solid block work in between then furring strips with plywood screwed down, you will see this in the next process it’s solid no need with further mechanical fixings thanks for watching all the best Tony 👍
Love the vids but what is that bond of brick??? Quater bond? No flemish😬?
File on notching some joists that’s a new one on me
Hi Mr s zee top tip first time I had seen that great idea by Pete thanks for watching all the best Tony 👍
Hi Tony, what type of felt (thickness/material)are you using between the joist and block wall? I'm just about to start framing a warm roof.
Hi Larry we use a full breathable felt their are many out their Tyvek very nice product all the the best Tony 👍
Cheers Tony,
Have a good Sunday 👍🏼
when you get a bit more experienced you will know to run the joist a couple of mm lower than the steel beam to prevent cracking when movement occurs when boarding across the steel - It also will put less stress on the board.... never mind, I guess... no one will know for a few years I guess.
What can I build with 4 2x4?
Quality!
Thanks Jake have a awesome week all the best Tony 👍
Great work👍 how many jobs do you have going on at the moment?
Hi Will only two at a time sometimes we have to start a third as we are finishing one off thanks for watching all the best Tony 👍
Try the Spear and Jackson saws. Use to use Erwin for years. S&J are better 👍
Hi Jamie the Spear and Jackson are awesome saws thicker blade teeth set are spot on it’s just the cost but I think its worth it thanks for watching all the best Tony 👍
Understand fully. Toolstation in my area have a 25% off their s&j's at the moment which is a bonus. Keep up the good work.
@@jamiestott3371 same! just stocked up
Are these fastened to the I beam in any way?
Hi lorenso no they are not fastened to the I beam, nice tight detailed joints and fully noggin out and you are good to go all the best Tony 👍
Another great video lads. Tony what pouches are you wearing ?
Hi Stephen my memory is terrible I will let you know in the morning been racking my brain and belts on site thanks for watching all the best Tony 👍
Build With A&E cheers Tony , only asking because I’ve just treated myself to a Diamondback Eagle pouch on the right , Buckaroo back support belt . Not cheap but very comfy
Hi Stephen great belt system I have looked at the Diamond back belts great products not seen the buckaroo back support will have a look all the best Tony
Is there a reason that you would do this rather than bolting a timber to both sides of the steel and using joist hangers?
he just prefers the more 'skilled' way of doing it but either way is fine. Checkout NHBC 6.4.12
There's no real benefit to use this method. Much slower. Any jobs I've drawn up it's timbers fixed to the web of the steel with hangers. Any engineer I've dealt with go with that too. With that the timber is mechanically fixed and not just resting on the flange.
Thx sir...
Verry good vidio
May i ques..?
Diferrence carpenter and woodwoker..?
Hi Anton absolutely nothing it’s depends how skilled that carpenter woodworker is. Thanks for watching all the best Tony 👍
@@BuildWithAE i like your vidio sir thx...
Ditch the irwins. They went bad over 5 years ago. Bahco ergo for the win guys. Quality saw blades and the sized handles are superb.
Hi what size is that Makita Circular saw
Disposable saws..ur old journeyman will still be using their disstons.. levelled, sharpened and set that accurately u could run a needle down it..🤠
Hi Stevie hope you are well, so true about the saw, the needle was the last test mind you it’s something that I’am changing the Lads back to we have a plan in place. Quick funny story I was telling a plumbing apprentice many years ago what we would do to saws before through away came in and he replied what a knitting needle I had to laugh the youngsters of today thanks for watching all the best Tony 👍
Most guys on site would use a skill saw to save time for straight cuts. Hand saws if no electricity or a one-off cut,. or more precise work. A lot do not take the care yo do to finish the ends
What type of timber is this?
Treated regularised C24 8 x 3
What size is that makita Circular saw
Hi Mitchell it’s a 235MM CIRCULAR SAW 5903RK sorry about delay all the best Tony 👍
@@BuildWithAE cheers 👍
Hi Tony,
I'm considering a career change into construction and would love to learn from a team like yours.
Is it possible to call you to ask some questions I have about getting started in the trades?
Thanks in advance.
I took a year out of my life to refurbish a house and to learn all the trades. While you're wanting to do this as a career, what I did will still help you so I'll share it. I got the City&Guilds/NVQ books off amazon for Bricklaying, Carpentry, Plastering. For a few hundred quid in materials, I made my backyard my little experimental playground. I practised putting up walls, making carpentry joints and skimming plasterboard using the textbooks and youtube videos. I could hold a conversation with builders and even surprise them with stuff that they didn't know about. Then from here I'd go find a team like A&E and ask to apprentice. But you first gotta put in the work by yourself to get to a level where you're useful and not a hinderance, no one wants to babysit someone while they're on a project trying to meet deadlines. Get the books, buy some materials and practise in your house/backyard to see if you enjoy it then with the basics down, go out and have a chat with good builders.
@@AJ-ds5gf Thanks for all the advice! I appreciate your input, its good to see people are pro-active enough to put the work in. I'm actually an architectural modelmaker by profession so working with the same tools and similar materials and having the work ethic/ understanding of how houses are built hopefully puts me in good stead to be somewhat useful off the bat. Plus I already read through architectural drawings so I think that's a plus. My main questions are regarding the CSCS/NVQ schemes and their relevance within more residential or 'small-scale' applications, and what employers like Tony look for in newbies. Thanks again.
@@TheSmartStar That's cool, looks like you're already a few steps ahead. I'm a software engineer and started off my project with the aim to get NVQ level 2 in all 5 of the the trades (including plumbing and domestic electrical work) as a personal goal. I had two options: spend two years in college or 2-8 weeks per trade at a specialist college (like Able Skills). Regular college was too long and specialist college wanted anywhere between 2-8k for the training and qualification (NVQ 2) that leads to a 'skilled worker' CSCS card. The cost of the qualifications put me off given that it was simply a 'passion project' for me, but if I were doing this as a career, I'd dive in at one of the specialist colleges and get a NVQ 2 qaulification and then a CSCS card. I'm sure if you gave A&E a call and explained you watched some of their youtube videos and wanted advice, they might have a quick chat with you. Good luck!
@@AJ-ds5gf That seems like sound advice. I might have to do a bit more digging and brain picking it seems! Thanks for all the info and best of luck with your journey too.
Hi Connor, thanks for watching and please feel free to call me on my mobile which you can pick up from my website. If I don’t pick up please leave a text because the site I’am working on has bad signal and I can then pick up the text and call you back all the best Tony 👍
Will the felt compress ?
Hi Philip yes by about .25 of a mm or something but nothing to shout home about because it’s what Y tong had specified so I assume they have done the calcs thanks for watching all the best Tony 👍
12:30 why not just use a small router? Save all that effort and time.
Hi AJ you could it’s just the way I like to do it, it’s the way I was shown many years ago and it just feels right we’re as a router can be used but it’s not for me and I do love using routers thanks for watching all the best Tony 👍
Bacho saws keep their set longer.
Come on it’s not rocket science cutting a relief cut, if want to really tarty you should have routed the ends with template, boom
It's a joist not a tenon far to much buggering about tbh