If the Imperials win, Maven Black Briar becomes Jarl of Riften. If the Stormcloaks win, the Silver-Bloods take control of Markarth. No matter what, some corrupt, greedy family gets a promotion
I used to hate having Maven in power, but honestly she summed it up pretty well. “It’s just a formality.” She was always in charge, having her as jarl just makes that even clearer.
you, the dragonborn, the archmage, thane in every hold, regularly communicates with the divine and daedric lords, slayed hundreds of dragons, and alduin, and paarthanx, cuddles with an old dead lady, becomes the listener, carries out the night mothers wishes, brings the companions together, retrieves wuuthrad, absolves all the companions of their werewolf blood, becomes the leader of the thieves guild, kills vampires for fun, become a nightingale, and a vampire lord, kills dragon priests, and draguar deathlords, can easily bring all of skyrim together in 3 in game days, is a millionaire.
“How dare you, you insolent being assume I a being who can fight gods, dragons a-“ (accidentally presses B) “Faringar nice weather isn’t it” “Dragonborn indubitably” Before you say it, yes I only made this comment to show off that I know the word “indubitably”
“I can't believe it. After 20 years of imperial peacekeeping, countless legionnaires killed and billions of Septims spent, the Stormcloaks take Skyrim in a week.”
@@jibrilly Imagine a Jewish King and Jewish Messiah coming back to fight for a group of militant Muslims who hate Jews? History isn't your strong suit, is it?
@@joelpierce1453 Muslims believe that King David and Jesus Christ will come again to help Muslims during the end times. It's part of their end of days prophecy.
You missed Hulda, the barkeep of the Bannered Mare. She mentions that Stormcloak guards get drunk a lot (she earns a lot more from it) but fights often break out and her property gets thrashed lol
@@VlogsarmyRohitThapaVlogs well if you go to the temple of mara in riften and talk to the priests and buy or get an amulet of mara from them it would allow you to marry the marrable npcs
@@CoRLex-jh5vx You're not wrong, but even the citizens of Solitude think Elisif's a joke of a ruler and that all real authority rests with Tullius. I mean, the woman literally cancelled the king burning festival because "boo hoo, my hubby died, so everybody has to be sad." She's literally the Jarl of Cancel Culture.
@@belinda960 *after casting Whiterun into darkness for a whole month:* "So do you now think that maybe it was indeed not Talos but the GODDAMN DRAGONBORN IN FRONT OF YOU that won this battle for you?"
Imagine it, though Heimskr: _generic yelling about Talos_ *everyone nearby gets knocked over, lightning strikes, thirty different dragons appear, houses all set on fire*
@@CoRLex-jh5vx I imagine the Dragonborn is actually a pretty quiet guy (or girl) when not in battle, just so he/she doesn’t brutally murder anyone he just wants to say hi to or accidentally summon a dragon, or slow time, or start a fire, or... you get the point. Like... he’d talk, of course, just quietly. Librarians would love him.
I honestly don’t know why Heimskr gets so much hate. The man is just passionately preaching for a divine and against the Thalmor, and it’s not like he’s wrong. Talos did become a god in TES, the Thalmor are hunting down his worshippers, and the Empire is complicit in it.
Even though Balgruuf supported the Empire, I would have let him keep his position as Jarl, he was a Noble Man, someone the True Sons of Skyrim could respect
instead of just having a graymane take the throne of whiterun, it should've been that Balgruuf sides with the stormcloaks but enrages his brother in the act of doing so and he is dethroned by him and hrognars supporters and the battle of whiterun would have Balgruuf with the dragonborn retaking his city.
@Johann von Goethe I believe he returned Ulfric's Axe reluctantly, he cares so much of his people so much that he had to sacrifice his relationship with Ulfric, after all, in the real World, Sacrifice is one of the highest Cardinal Virtues of Christianity whose Culture the Elder Scrolls' Relationship with the Nords the Swedes is after, Vignar however is the simulacrum of the pompous traditional utilisable tool of a political figurehead, sacrifice is the embodiment of Virtue which Balgruuf extolled
Hey, I really appreciate you covering both sides! This really helps me appreciate the relatively few differences that happen due to the civil war. I do wish there was a side quest to destroy the Dominion's Embassy if you choose the Stormcloaks.
Y'know, it would've been cool if you could assassinate the high ranking figures in both armies and it leads to more and more Thalmor being in Skyrim. Then you either have the choice to a) Purge Skyrim of Talos worshippers with them b) Just let them carry out their jobs whilst you do your adventuring c) Clean the mess you made
@@ilovemetalmusic310 That would be an absolute bloody mess! I would never go that far, I'd prefer it if you could simply sway one leader to either surrender or negotiate.
@ChewBubblegum The virgin Bethesda game studios: Hey buy the Skyrim deluxe super special legendary edition! The Chad Bethesda Softworks: I don't give a f**k if I'm going broke. I'll still make a good RPG for the fans!
You should have shown Dengier (stormcloak jail of Falkreath, not sure how to spell his name). I like his response the best. He pretty much says that Ulfric is certainly selfish and only cares about himself, but he's going to have a much better idea of Skyrim's problems than an emporer living in a different province.
Sounds... familiar. *Cough* Trump. I'm sorry but it literally sounds like something you'd hear, in fact I am pretty sure I have heard that before. It feels really familiar. Unless I am mixing it up with someone else.
@@deiansalazar140 Honestly, there's a lot of comparisons that can be made between former president Trump and Ulfric Stormcloak, both are flawed men that care about their countries to a point of being fairly nationalistic, both are/were the underdogs in a situation where absolutely nobody thought they could win (either against an empire or a candidate that everyone expected to win just like her husband) yet they managed to pull it off, both are accused of being racist yet both have people of all races (and in Ulfric's case species) supporting them. Neither individual is even close to perfect but personally I find myself siding with both over a dying empire or a coalition of career politicians that have done nothing to help the U.S in their decades of being in positions of power.
@@Elite-hy7zb I fail to see how it isn't. Looking at it,Trump and Stormcloak are almost identical in how they uphold their beliefs, their mannerisms, their supporters. Both men care for their countries, both have done and said contrversial things, both have sacrificed for their country and are condemned for it and both are painted as tyrants who seek only power, whether that be true or not, both men wish to see their countries strong and free of certain powers
Now that I've formally declared myself Jarl of my parents' home, they're gradually becoming comfortable with my assumption of the standard "Jarl pose" at the dinner table: Left leg forward, right leg back, right elbow on the table, right forearm raised, left hand always reaching for the salt cellar.
Eorland: "Could be better, could be worse." Heimskir: *PRAISE TALOS* Falk Firebeard: "Ulfric's played this smart." Elisif: "Damn him." Beirand: "I still don't have a moment to rest." Danica: "I only want peace again." Vignar: "Now the boring stuff begins." Farengar: "I don't really care, and it's not really changed." Carlotta: "At least the last guys harassing me didn't smell." Adrienne: "My clients are showing their racism." Ulfberth: "I'm not saying overthrow them, just the facts." Thongvor: *ETHNIC CLENSE* Balgruuf: "Where are my kids?" Caius: "Just wait; we'll be back on our feet again." Ingrod: "I'm trying to find solace in this." Joric: "My dreams are somehow even worse." Igmund: "The Empire will be back to stomp this out!" *They won't* Galmar: "I'm expecting violence. Hopefully." Ulfric: "We must rebuild Skyrim to fight the Thalmor again."
@@alspezial2747 Nope. Between slowing down time, nigh-invulnerability via enchantments, invisibility, bursts of superspeed, and range game, that won't be an issue alone.
@@alspezial2747 Eh, with shouts and the fact ES Player characters can be Jack of all trades and master of all, it doesn't really matter much. What you see in gameplay is heavily restricted due to the game engine. Keep in mind Mirak left a permanent scar on the continent of solstheim while fighting another dragon Priest and a bunch of dragons at once. And that was when he was much weaker than he was when the dragonborn fought him
I wish you could just single handedly wipe out the thalmor by yourself, the dragonborn could do it. Not enough games let you take matters into your own hands when it comes to the story, its always pick a side.
@@PeteTheGrouch What do you mean "side with the Dragons" like with Alduin the guy who would kill you either way and end the world? Or with Miraak who would likely kill you and attempt to end the world anyways? A story idea only works if it actually makes sense, and "siding with the dragons" (whatever that means) doesn't make sense with how it is.
@@Deadput It 'makes sense' from the standpoint of "Gee, would I rather fight this dude who could permanently end me; or would I rather get them on my team, assuming they show willingness to do so..?" It's not like the dragons didn't use to have human vassals back in the day... I imagine even Alduin could recognise the merit of having the last Dragonborn on his side. Miraak, I'm not so sure of - besides which, I never mentioned siding with him to begin with. If nothing else, the two of you at least share an enemy in the form of that Daedra arsehole... pretty sure the offer of a chance to escape his bondage would be enough to have ol' Miri at least _consider_ the possibilty of an alliance... well, unless he's just one of those "Stupid Evil" types of villains; which, tbh, most bad guys in the Scrolls-verse most definitely are..!
@@PeteTheGrouch not having the option to side with alduin is not Bethesda being lazy. Taking the criticisms a bit too far and just looking stupid for it I'd have appreciated the option too but chill out lmao
@@Stryker1297 'bugthesda' deserve all the criticism they get & _then_ some... the only stupid ones are those who continually try to make excuses for their laziness & incompetence. _lmao_
I always wondered why it's always Stormcloaks and Imperials fighting each other across Skyrim. The Jarls are very clearly at war with each other, except Balgruuf before Ulfric forces his hand. You'd expect to see hold troops fighting at the borders. Like Dawnstar and Morthal soldiers fighting each other.
Because most of those jarls don't have the troops to make offensive actions. Especially places like morthal and dawnstar. If they made a move without any backing from either side, it could easily leave them defenseless. Most of the jarls are more concerned about a local threat, forsworn, dragons, etc. That they'd rather wait for the large armies to do something. Plus, I'm sure that many stormcloaks and imperials in skyrim are hold guards loaned to whatever power rules over them as was common in medieval times.
@@walnzell9328 Shor's Watchtower is the only place where you see Hold Guards having been attacked by Imperials (this only happens if you side with Stormcloaks)
Elisif: No, I’m in no position to make a claim at the throne. also Elisif, in literally the same breath: I am the rightful High Queen of Skyrim Hey Elisif? Not making a claim means _not making a claim_ lmao
Bethesda actually cut out an alternate option during the Stormcloak side where during the "Give Balgruuf Ulfric's Axe" sequence, you have to intervene during the deliberation at the right time and successfully convince him to side with Ulfric. Provided you have the proper persuasion perks invested and speech level is ample enough. The mod is called Jarl Balgruuf Dilemma.
@@KaimArgonarEyyyy Well its more Bethesda's way of having a canon without implying who the dragonborn sided with. Thus they can then have the war decided by external factors, likely Morrowind sending an army to besiege Riften and Hammerfall flanking an Imperial attempt to retake Markarth, given all 3 of these nations have the same goals of re-exert their independence from the Empire and oppose the Thalmor.
Jarl Balgruuf is probability the main reason I don't join the stormcloaks Edit: It's just a game. A great game yes, but just a game. No need to hate each other.
I like Balgruuf but I will never join the legion when they tried to cut off my head. Balgruuf makes a bad choice and loses his throne. At least I am happy he doesn't get killed, just ostracized.
@@mwendia its a misunderstanding you almost get your head chopped bcs u got caught when crossing the border. Their goals was to make sure ulflick and his rebel followers were dead at helgen Because if the aldmer find out first, the empire afraid the white gold concordat will be broken
@@raihanbermansyah4803 Is that an acceptable excuse? Killing someone innocent over a misunderstanding? Crossing the border itself doesn't warrant such a repercussion and the fact that DB was never on the list yet they still decided that they wanna kill them is so very wrong. Like here you are, living your life doing your thing and then boom, you're dead because the Empire is too lazy to do a background check.
@@piccoloatburgerking bcs we were capture alongside with the rebels that make this a misunderstanding And if im in such position as a captain Ill make sure to not let anyone escape after being sighted near with the rebels that has been threatened the peace with the thalmor and murdered the highking
@@raihanbermansyah4803 Again, misunderstanding that can get an innocent person killed is not acceptable. The Empire has no shortages of recourses, why do they have any laws if they're just gonna act like mafias anyway? "Hey lets kill this random dude that has his own life, experiences and memories just because we're too lazy to do a background check" is not acceptable and shows that the Empire has a giant bureaucratic problem within. Fudgemuppet made a video about this, it's called "The Empire will fail" and i encourage that you give it a watch for more insight and context.
@@CameronKiesser Well shit I started the civil war as a Stormcloak and now it looks like I'ma have to do the DBH questline first because yeah that sounds a little jarring.
Just imagine Ulfric meeting the emperor like Emperor: "Hey Ulfric, nice to see you, is everything alright in Windhelm?" Ulfric: "The emperor! Men, seize him!" Emperor: "Dude calm down I have a dinner to attend and afterwards, I'm gonna be killed by the Dark Brotherhood to collect the bounty I put on myself" Ulfric: "Uh ok whatever"
I wish someone would make a mod that gives out the aftermath of skyrim. Like the moot and you're invited to attend to see who becomes high king, a big celebration in whiterun for destroying Alduin, and potentially more. I've yet to see a mod for that though.
And you honestly believe the Stormcloakes wouldn't have tried to cut your head off if you were caught together with the leader of their mortal enemies? From an outsider's view, you were a plainclothes wearing Stormcloak (possibly a spy) due to you travelling with *Ulfric Stormcloak.*
@@isoulz8076 You have to look at it from the Captain's perspective. They brought in 2 carts full of Stormcloaks, including *THE* Ulfric Stormcloak. There were also 2 people with them who didn't wear Stormcloak uniforms and say they aren't with them, but they were still caught together. This could very easily indicate that they are spies, either a Stormcloak one or a foreign one, both of which would be a very big problem if left alive. If they actually aren't with the Stormcloaks and were just at the wrong place at the wrong time, they are still criminals trying to illegally cross the border (in an area that could easily be called an active warzone). The benefits of possibly executing enemy spies far outweigh the demerits of possibly executing someone that only committed a lesser crime.
Who cares? They want red carpet treatment in a land that's not their own. And if they think they should be put first instead of the people that country they're in, they need to be kicked out. I'd do it.
I always remember what alvor said about the war: the banishment of talos was made only in paper, when ulfric rose to power empire was forced to act, also stentorr and balgruf both stated that the empire was vital with their trade routes for Skyrim
Not so much rose to power - Ulfric's shenanigans at Markarth are the thing that Alvor is talking about. The Markarth Incident enabled the Thalmor to start enforcing the ban.
True, but if the Empire decided to keep fighting the Thalmor instead of surrender than there would be no need to ban Talos in the first place. The fact that the Thalmor had to sign a treaty goes to show that they were weakening.
Think about it. If the Thalmor was all powerful, then they would not have signed the treaty. They would have instead annexed the Empire and control all of Tamriel.
@@dutchpatriot17 Except they had the warriors of Hammerfell at minimum. They also didn't allow the Thalmor into Skyrim, a land which there are many Nords willing to fight for their homes. They defended the Skyrim border, instead of focusing their priorities on other things. They failed to rely on their provinces and as a result their only other chance to beat the Thalmlor was forfeit.
Vignar looks so wrong on the throne I also like how the Imperial jarls think of the safety of their people first and are fairly dignified in their loss, where the Stormcloaks just fling insults at you and effectively tantrum when it's them
what are you talking about lmao. All the defeated imperial Jarls also start throwing insults at you when the cloaks win, there's no difference between the two. This video didn't show all of their responses lol
How does Vignar look bad? The throne suits him as well as it suited Balgruuf. He has plans to give freedom of worship, get more guards and stock up on food and water. How is that bad?
Pretty sure barlgruff has freedom of religion explicit in his town. I mean. Heimskir isnfree to preach before a shrine of talos FFS. I can never betray barlgruff. Perhaps also cos I never play a nord.
@@tex4096 95% sure Stormcloak victory and the following "Viking" Age is the canon outcome Bethesda had in mind. Way back in Morrowind, the avatar of Talos himself tells you the Empire will eventually die and something new will be born. I think it's time for a Nordic Sea Empire, with a new Dragonborn dynasty at the helm.
@@freevertibirdrides7437 >the avatar of Talos himself tells you the Empire will eventually die and something new will be born. He actually says that he doesn't mind IF the Empire dies He is at best indifferent to it's fate
@@freevertibirdrides7437 Viking Age is unlikely given the Stormcloaks, Hammerfell, and Morrowind don't want that so much as a resurgence of the ideals of the Ebonheart Pact, that Tamriel shouldn't have a central state, but be a confederation of ethnostates, so their racial cultures can be respected and not tied to the whims of another race. Plus the people who don't want to be part of the Empire anymore are still firmly anti-Thalmor.
Elisif: "It seems I will never take my rightful place as High Queen." Heimskr: "The true sons and daughters of Skyrim have liberated us!" Beirand & Belethor: *S T O N K S* 📈
regardless of your opinion of either side, I'll never understand why people want their character to fight for the people who were literally seconds away from beheading you in the opening scene. You escape with Ralof and then become friends, that makes way more sense than running off with Hadvar, in a real life situation who would you trust??
the politics and reasoning behind the empire doesn't change just because some idiot was going to behead you, and hadvar clearly didn't want you to be executed. You can't hold grudges for a mistake
Idk, who would I trust. The one who puts his life on the line to escort me to safety, or the one who cowered in a tower? Jeez, that sure is a tough one.
Well, the stormcloacks never say something like "hey, he is not with us, don't execute him", so, it's more likely that stormcloacks are the main reason why are you getting executed
Yeah but i try to get the better outcome, and having ulfric in windhelm and Vignar on Whiterun is pretty shitty to me. I think the imperial route will lead a better destiny to the skyrim people
One of the things I wish they added was after taking over a city or before the battle for said city, you could speak with the Jarl’s on opposing sides and convince or even intimidate them to join the side your on. There were a few jarls who were better suited than their counterparts. Also convincing Ulfric and Elisif to marry each other to unify Skyrim all together would be interesting.
@@THANAT0S_ In dragon age: Origins, one of the options for the next ruler is to have Arnora and Alistair marry each other even though they basically hate/ really dislike each other.
I always thought it would be cool if the Dragon Born was able to rebuild Helgan as it's new Jarl you could pick whoever you want to put into positions.
I don't think Ulfric and the Stormcloaks are bad people, but the rebellion is a pretty dumb and inconsequent movement. Talos was literally the founder of the Empire, so it's pretty obvious that they did not want to make peace with the Thalmor and outlaw his worship. The White-Gold Concordat was a way for the Empire to regain it's forces and fight back the Aldmeri Dominion, as General Tulius makes it clear that after dealing with the Stormcloaks they are going to prepare to fight back the Elves. In resume, Ulfric is actually helping the Thalmor (even if he does not realise it), and that's why I side with the Imperials every time I play.
Not only dumb they don't know that because of talos he founded the empire that is the problem of theme they idk that they are destroying Tiber septim Creation of the Empire
@Divalvaro they dont support the stormcloaks cuz stormcloaks are racist cunts and its not they fight, Empire is a better option than stormcloaks cuz Empire is not as cruel as Stormcloaks
I always believed that Solitude is the reflection of the empire and windhelm is the reflection of the stormcloaks and if the stormcloaks would win, all of skyrim would look like windhelm.
You know, I always wondered why the dark elves refugees in Riften where not poor like the ones in Windhelm, in fact some of them are quite wealthy, apparently there's a book that explains why and though Ulfric did not help the dark elves put themselves in to that situation, unlike the argonians since they had no chance due to Ulfric banning their access to the city
@@Winrarnt A high elf which the nords despise a lot more than dunmer got into a position of power and wealth and most elves say the ones in the grey quarter are quite bitter and the reason argonians stay out on the docks is because there would be a blood bath against the prideful argonians and the even more prideful dunmer would start to fight each other because of the enslavement of argonians and the argonians butchering their way through a weakened morrowind.
I always though Eilisif didn't deserve to be High Queen just for being the widow of the last High King. I feel like I would have sided Imperial first play through if there was a better candidate. Like Torugg's sister or people rallying behind another city's Jarl.
@@joelpierce1453 I beg to differ. DB wouldn't be High King in that case, he would be prince consort to High Queen Elisif..and under the rule of virgin Mede Dynasty as well. No, DB should ascend to become the new Talos or smthng. Or at the very least, the new chad emperor of Tamriel.
@@Seifiros I don't marry Elisif because it grants me the title, I know Skyrim titles don't work like that, I marry her as a means of solidifying my authority (and because she's awesome as a wife). People in Skyrim who are uneasy about the Dragonborn becoming High King would presumably be more comfortable with it if he married a Jarl. Like a vote of confidence. Also, yeah, after becoming High King of Skyrim, we obviously establish a new Imperial Dynasty based on the bloodline of the Dragonborn. The Septim Empire hasn't been legitimate since Martin Septim died.
@@joelpierce1453 Well it's no longer the Septim empire, it's a decrepit shell of it called the Mede empire but yeah, I get what you mean. But you know what would make that story even more awesome? If the dragonborn is an argonian!
Most people I’m sure pick the imperials because of balgruuf and it definitely helps but I’ve always resonated with ingrid ravencrown with her insight as well as what she says at the thalmor embassy I think about a lot “fair faces and fine food are well and good but honesty is rarely so pleasing” she knows dark days are coming with the thalmor eventually and she had more of an impact on me than most of the other jarls on either side
I think a lot of people end up picking the Imperials because it seems the developers thought the Imperials were the "right" choice. I say this because I swear... the voice actors for Stormcloaks have this intentionally malice-sounding voice to them. People pick up on the "ulterior motives" voicing and shy away from them.
@@obi-wankenobi1750 You think you get to bargain after losing a war? And it was foreshadowing by many NPCs that the empire are preparing to go to war with the Thalmor again, this civil war is hindering that plan, Ulfric literally is just a pathetic puppet of the Thalmor or Alduin for their bidding without even realizing it or even if he knew then he's to power hungry to care, Torygg actually admired Ulfric would listen to his advisory but nope, he outright killed him, I wish there's a mod for you to duel him and kill him with shout just like what he did and take over Windhelm.
Not the happiest ending for some, but at least the Thalmor won't be dragging off and murdering Nords in their own homeland. And the Stormcloaks will actually take the fight to the Dominion.
Actually, its more likely the Dominion will bring the fight to the Stormcloaks, and they'll arrive well before Skyrim is ready to deal with them. You'd be foolish if you think that they weren't planning this from the outset of the civil war.
@@yoshitotem How exactly would the Dominion attack Skyrim like that? It would take months, maybe a year going on ships. They can't cut through Hammerfell because they're actively hostile. And I doubt that even the Empire under their boot would allow them to send an entire army through Cyrodil.
@@matthewskinner6626how’d the thalmor ship in solesthiem get there? you believe in flat mundus or something? that the summerset isles, an island nation, wouldn’t have a good navy? that the farmers and peasants that make up the stormcloaks stand a chance against magic wielding elven soldiers?
@@procrastinatorextraordinaire 1. I haven't played the dlc (yet) and bringing that up has nothing to do with anything I said. 2. I literally never said the Dominion didn't have a good navy. Traveling cross-Tamriel takes months, don't matter how good your navy is. 3. Did you know the Stormcloaks also have veteran ex Legionaries, warriors and guardsmen, too? I mean, you can make the same reductive statement about the Legion. Where do you think they get their men from?
@@procrastinatorextraordinairetake a look at map of elder scrolls a naval invasion may be possible but by no means would it be easy or quick. The distance is all the way around hammerfell and highrock both of which dislike the thalmor so theirs a fair chance the might get attacked or supply ships bringing food and other necessities would be attacked. Even when they get to skyrim their landing spots are garbage, and their in hostile lands with no proper base. With chance of reinforcements being weeks to months away. Where as skyrim could easily call upon hammerfell for help, morrow too but they be unlikely. If the battle goes well for skyrim the empire might also declare war on thalmor finally, if it doesn't than they covertly help them, after all both sides hate the thalmor, the empire are just bigger cowards than skyrim.
No, you don't get it. You were in the general vicinity of some Stormcloaks while trying to cross the border. That means you need to be executed with the rest of the Stormcloaks
IQ 50: "SkYriM belOnGS to tHE noRdS" IQ 100: "please bro if you rebel against the empire the elfs will win bro, yeah the Redguards actually did beat them after their independence but bro think about our human heritage , but not about Talos bro" IQ 150: Skyrim belongs to the Nords
My first time playing Skyrim I was an imperial and I sided with the Stormcloaks, Ulfric said something about me betraying my imperial ways and Cyrodill but he welcomed me as a part of his army anyway. I'm still wondering if he ate the 10k poisoned apples I left on his table.
Thank you so much for trying to keep this fair and showing the NPC's reactions to the Stormcloak victory too! All-Maker/The 9 Divines/The Hist/Azura Bless you 🐻💪🏼💙😏
Cassius constantly interrupting your conversation with Idgrod, finally forcing you to step to one side to keep him from interrupting yet again, was somehow hilarious.
We're never explicitly shown how old certain characters are, but we can infer based on dialog and other facts so I have to say that Elisif doesn't seem to be old enough to remember the Great War and the signing of the White-Gold Concordat. Torygg, maybe did, but he's dead (this based on Sybille Stentor's dialog) but Elisif gives me the impression that she's really young - like around 20, which would have made her not even born yet at the end of the Great War. By the time Markarth is restored to the Empire by Ulfric's Stormcloaks, Elisif is 10 and old enough to know something big happened but not old enough to grasp all the implications of that conflict. Whereas characters like Tullius, Falk, Erikur, Rikke, Ulfric, Galmar and many others either directly involved. It's a game with admittedly low-par graphics so we can't really assume much but let's make the assumption that all of these people I just named were alive during the GW (they were), they'd have had to be 30 years younger since the GW happened in 4E 171 (Skyrim happens in 4E 201). So all of these people were at least 20-30 when the GW happened. It's still pretty fresh in their minds and Ulfric doing this was exactly what the Thalmor wanted. I really hope that we see more of the conflict unfold in VI (like more or less within the same timespan as Skyrim) since we know that the game will be set in Hammerfell and High Rock.
Well, let's remember something here: the timeline in Skyrim would be similar to our timeline around the years of 1600-1800. During that period of time, one would be considered an adult at 14 years old and many would already have joined armies. If you take that into account, many of the people you mentioned were probably involved in the GW during their teenage years, making them even younger than what we might think. Even if Elisif were about 10 yo, giving the fact that she is a "royal", she would probably already be receiving diplomatic training and would have known a lot about the war, even if she hadn't actively participated in it. When the NPCs refer to others as being "young", they aren't actually commenting on their age, but on their experience. During said times, you could be 25 and already considered old if you fought and lived through a war. Because of that, Elisif is young in experience, but probably older than 20.
Slight correction, in the very same note that expresses the Thalmor wanting the war to happen they also say they DONT want a Stormcloak victory either. Something people always seem to forget while using the very same note or journal entry to argue against Ulfric. So no this isn’t Ulfric doing what the Thalmor wanted. What they wanted was a constant state of destabilization; but now Skyrim can actively build up against them. Either way the Thalmor loose.
Both sides are highly imperfect but I always go with the stormcloaks. I mean hard to join a side that was going to cut your head off to start the game.
It's only hard to join them if you view the Civil War as a contained conflict that would have no repercussions moving forward that would affect-- I don't know-- the next Great War that the Empire was gearing up for. The only thing Skyrim had to contribute was man power and that's it. It's nice if you want a bunch of meatshields but armored warriors are going to die en masse against the Dominion-- that use Magic. If the collective Empire almost collapsed even with the Nords from Skyrim providing the bulk of its forces + other provinces, Skyrim doesn't really stand a chance on its own regardless of its numbers. Hammerfell at least doesn't actively look down on branches of magic such as Destruction like the Nords do.
I always thought it was funny that Thongvor Silver Blood is one of the game’s biggest Empire-haters but he wears imperial steel boots and Bracers, even with the Imperial Dragon Crest on his arms! I’m aware its probably just an oversight because the game classifies the bracers as “Steel” not “Imperial” in the game files so the developers probably just slapped some steel armour on him and forgot about it. But, nonetheless, pretty ironic lol
There’s an option of changing sides near the beginning of joining the imperials/stormcloaks, involving getting the crown out the ruins, where you can give it to the opposite side instead. Imagine the drama :)
I made my decision after doing Eorlund-gray mane's mother's Quest, that Quest perfectly summed up both sides of the civil war and I didn't think twice about supporting ulfric after it
@@TheUKNutter it's also part of the empire, since at the end of the civil war when you play for the imperials some thalmors do what they want for Skyrim, for example in markat, there are 3 thalmors patrolling there and you're still being asked to capture a bard who prayed for Talos hiding
@@andersonmachado5543thats not an argument. Hitler loved animals. That make all animal lovers nazis? No. Being part of an organization doesn't mean that your actions are responsibility of the organization. The Battleborn were fucks that deserve to die. They give away their neighbor, a person that they see everyday in the market, that has the blood of whiterun in their veins as them and they give him away for a political disagreement. And not to the empire, but to the Thalmor
6:12 " It's ______ to old to be _________ ? It's a fair question.If he's grown infirm and is losing his wits,where does that leave the people of _______? " Hmm,reminds me of someone
@@kluhnahgoh5911 Really? Trump isn't an old man. I really do find it amusing when an "Orange man bad" warrior tries to find anywhere to smear his name at anytime.
The lil nod after talking to Falk was kinda cute lol. Idk why I just smile and love when people are in first person and do a lil nod when npcs say stuff to them.
I wish you had asked Balgruuf why he sided with the Imperials, I think that should've fitted in, in this video. I guess I'll have to side with the Stormcloaks now to find out myself lol
I joined the Stormcloaks because of Ralof, hate the Empire because Dragonborn almost got executed even he/she was not guilty. It's a shame though, I do like Jarl Ballin.
If you’re on pc the move is to use the become high king immersive edition mod, play through with Ulfric then convince him to vote you as King. After that you can appoint back people like Balgruff or whatever npc’s you want to be Jarls of the major holds. It’s a nice mod for role playing as you can override the decision to put corrupt leaders in power like in Riften where you choose between horrid Lawgiver or Black-Briar. I like saying fuck off to both and giving it to the humble fisherman Bolli. The only downside is you can’t adjust the minor holds, so some of the chill lesser jarls like Ravencrone still get thrown out.
I’ve played both sides in different play throughs. I respect Ulfric’s passion, but Tullius recognizes the Thalmor threat, too, and the only way for the Empire to win is together. *United We Stand, Divided We Fall!*
To be fair, both sides hate the Thalmor. Once the Stormcloaks take over Solitude, the first things Ulfric and Galmor do is talk about getting ready for the upcoming war with the Thalmor. The Imperials believe in playing nice with the Thalmor for now, all while silently gaining strength to over time. The Stormcloaks believe in openly renouncing the Thalmor, and attempting to undermine their control at every turn. Both sides have merit.
@@tomsparks2697 Yeah both sides have merit, as long you ignore the blatant racism, misogyny, and authoritarianism. Also the fact that the Thalmor support Ulfric.
@@mme.veronica735 @Mme. Veronica In what way do the Stormcloaks support misogyny and authoritarianism? I will grant you that alot of Stormcloaks are unfortunately very racist. But that doesn't mean that Stormcloaks hate women or freedom. That also doesn't mean that everything Ulfric says about the Empire is untrue. The Thalmor support the civil war, but they don't support Ulfric. The Thalmor even say that a Stormcloack would also be bad for the Thalmor. A victory on either side will stabilize Skyrim, which is not what the Thalmor want.
@@mme.veronica735 talmor support ulfric Just to let the empire waste its soldiers in this war meaningless in their eyes, talmor know what the empire Is plotting, this Is why they are interested in keeping the civile war going as long as possible
I always like Falk, he is the most competent and politically savvy of all the stewards in the holds. And he is pretty open with you as well when starting the Wolf Queen quest. Flat out told player he was just gonna wave the matter off originally before seeking your help.
Balgruuf may have his downsides but he is still a kind hearted jarl who really wants what's best for his people, I wish there was a way to convince him to stay on as jarl, then I would go as storm cloaks, but as it stands Imperials all the way so I can save Jarl Ballin
The issue with that is is that Ulfric forced his hand to serve the Empire. Ulfric's entire position in Skyrim was that you were either with him or against him. He saw neutrality as the acts of an enemy because they are withholding men, resources and supplies from his war effort and that means war. In the Empire path, imperial scouts reported that Ulfric was preparing his army to attack Whiterun. Tullius decided to use that to pressure Balgruuf to join the Empire but Ulfric was still taking aggressive action in preparing to attack Whiterun. When Balgruuf gets the news he starts making preparations for war because Ulfric brought it to his doorstep, and he sends the dragonborn to deliver his axe to Ulfric to get final confirmation on Ulfirc's intentions. On the Stormcloak path Ulfric sends the dragonborn to deliver his axe to Balgruuf and declares his intentions to attack unless Balgruuf submits and joins him. No matter which way it goes, Balgruuf was forced into the war by Ulfric. Balgruuf wasn't going to side with the man invading his hold and bringing war and death to Whiterun.
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I love how Heimskr cannot say anything without shouting
Sometimes an animal needs to be put down.
*PRAISE TALOS, AND ALL THE DIVINES! WHITERUN HAS BEEN LIBERATED BY THE TRUE SONS OF SKYRIM*
@G Aug Indeed he is
You mean hate, right?
@@athanarms3425 ?
If the Imperials win, Maven Black Briar becomes Jarl of Riften. If the Stormcloaks win, the Silver-Bloods take control of Markarth. No matter what, some corrupt, greedy family gets a promotion
I used to hate having Maven in power, but honestly she summed it up pretty well. “It’s just a formality.” She was always in charge, having her as jarl just makes that even clearer.
A back-stabber runs Riften or someone that plays with fire and makes deals with the forsworn runs Markarth
@@catsareyes6446 Did you just hear what he said 6:22? He will ask for more troops and deal with forsworn.
Honestly the silver bloods controlling markarth is pretty good the man that takes over as jail is pretty honorable as far silverbloods go
Just like what happens in all civil wars.
Beirand the true centrist.
Stormcloaks, Imperials. He just wants to Smith.
Smith steak?
He says himself he's loyal to Solitude and Elisif, had Ulfric killed Elisif, I believe things would be different for him.
@@cowboydoggo6168 exactly.
@@themilkman9451 like I said, stormcloaks, Imperial, he just wants to smith
People are always talking about “empire” this and “Stormcloak” that. I just want to whack hot metal with a hammer for Zenithar’s sake!
Farengar: “you probably aren’t even smart enough to know the word tedious”
Me, the Arch-mage: “perhaps…”
"Be careful, you're about to step on my dremora lord"
you, the dragonborn, the archmage, thane in every hold, regularly communicates with the divine and daedric lords, slayed hundreds of dragons, and alduin, and paarthanx, cuddles with an old dead lady, becomes the listener, carries out the night mothers wishes, brings the companions together, retrieves wuuthrad, absolves all the companions of their werewolf blood, becomes the leader of the thieves guild, kills vampires for fun, become a nightingale, and a vampire lord, kills dragon priests, and draguar deathlords, can easily bring all of skyrim together in 3 in game days, is a millionaire.
@@devonesq.7533 "Are probably not smart enough to know the word "tedious""
“How dare you, you insolent being assume I a being who can fight gods, dragons a-“ (accidentally presses B)
“Faringar nice weather isn’t it”
“Dragonborn indubitably”
Before you say it, yes I only made this comment to show off that I know the word “indubitably”
To be fair, you can become the Arch-mage just with few very basic spells, large hammer on your back and attitude of dimwit barbarian...
“I can't believe it. After 20 years of imperial peacekeeping, countless legionnaires killed and billions of Septims spent, the Stormcloaks take Skyrim in a week.”
Well, they did have a Dragon born - which would have been interesting to see in our own theatre of war lemme tell you.
@@D3wd20p imagine Jesus Christ or King David coming back to fight for the Taliban
@@jibrilly certainly a spectacle
@@jibrilly Imagine a Jewish King and Jewish Messiah coming back to fight for a group of militant Muslims who hate Jews? History isn't your strong suit, is it?
@@joelpierce1453 Muslims believe that King David and Jesus Christ will come again to help Muslims during the end times. It's part of their end of days prophecy.
This feels like a documentary the way you're going around interviewing people
OMGOSH, YOU'RE RIGHT IT DOES
Reminds me of politics
You basically do just interview people. One of the most common questions ive seen is “what do you think about this war?”
“What side do you take?”
Just missing a british narrator and we're good
Best comment
You missed Hulda, the barkeep of the Bannered Mare. She mentions that Stormcloak guards get drunk a lot (she earns a lot more from it) but fights often break out and her property gets thrashed lol
Also Sinmir who criticizes Whiterun Guards and Commander Caius. After Stormcloaks win he becomes the captain of the guard.
Arcadia complains that the Stormcloaks don't trust her potions. ='[.]'=
@@cornchaptermasterofcarmine5902 LOL
@@cornchaptermasterofcarmine5902 good he’s one of the only Skyrim characters actually sane
@@cornchaptermasterofcarmine5902 I find it funny that he criticizes the whiterun guardsmen but all the guy does is drink at the Bannered Mare
"If i wasn't married to Ulfberth i'd ve out of business"
Me who accidentally killed him as a werewolf: "About that"
I use a mod where Ulfbreth's wife is super hot .. I got jealous so i killed him 💀
@@VlogsarmyRohitThapaVlogs did you atleast marry her?
@@dramaking9559 I don't think we can marry married people in the game
@@VlogsarmyRohitThapaVlogs well if you go to the temple of mara in riften and talk to the priests and buy or get an amulet of mara from them it would allow you to marry the marrable npcs
@@VlogsarmyRohitThapaVlogs Amorous Adventures Mod: Allow me to introduce myself.
elisif "i am in no position to claim such a title"
also elisif "it seems i will never take my rightful place as high queen"
When the war is going on she can’t become High Queen but when the war is won by one side she has a right to or not to
More like high puppet.
@@LAZERAK47V2 found the stormcloak
@@CoRLex-jh5vx You're not wrong, but even the citizens of Solitude think Elisif's a joke of a ruler and that all real authority rests with Tullius.
I mean, the woman literally cancelled the king burning festival because "boo hoo, my hubby died, so everybody has to be sad."
She's literally the Jarl of Cancel Culture.
@@LAZERAK47V2 true
4:23 Vignar: "I am sure of it as the sun rising in the morning."
Me as a Vampire Lord: 😏
*Draws Auriel's bow with a bloodcursed arrow* "Are you sure about that?"
@@belinda960 *after casting Whiterun into darkness for a whole month:* "So do you now think that maybe it was indeed not Talos but the GODDAMN DRAGONBORN IN FRONT OF YOU that won this battle for you?"
**shoots bloodcursed arrow at the sun cutely**
@@runtergerutscht4401 I know in some theories the dragonborn is Talos
@@vsleepyx5255 I doubt it.
0:46 “GLLLOOOORIIOUSSS day for white run.”
That nord really likes to shout, I have no idea why he isn’t a Dragonborn
Imagine it, though
Heimskr: _generic yelling about Talos_
*everyone nearby gets knocked over, lightning strikes, thirty different dragons appear, houses all set on fire*
@@CoRLex-jh5vx I imagine the Dragonborn is actually a pretty quiet guy (or girl) when not in battle, just so he/she doesn’t brutally murder anyone he just wants to say hi to or accidentally summon a dragon, or slow time, or start a fire, or... you get the point. Like... he’d talk, of course, just quietly. Librarians would love him.
@Dark mhm
I could see him as a recruiter for the dragonborns school of the thuum.hed probably love that.
I honestly don’t know why Heimskr gets so much hate. The man is just passionately preaching for a divine and against the Thalmor, and it’s not like he’s wrong. Talos did become a god in TES, the Thalmor are hunting down his worshippers, and the Empire is complicit in it.
Even though Balgruuf supported the Empire, I would have let him keep his position as Jarl, he was a Noble Man, someone the True Sons of Skyrim could respect
instead of just having a graymane take the throne of whiterun, it should've been that Balgruuf sides with the stormcloaks but enrages his brother in the act of doing so and he is dethroned by him and hrognars supporters and the battle of whiterun would have Balgruuf with the dragonborn retaking his city.
@@FifthHydra39076 That sounds...pretty awesome
@@repubblesmcglonky8990 modders gotra do it
@@Badgerinary Nope. The Lore is set in Stone lol. Only an Elder Scroll could change it
@Johann von Goethe I believe he returned Ulfric's Axe reluctantly, he cares so much of his people so much that he had to sacrifice his relationship with Ulfric, after all, in the real World, Sacrifice is one of the highest Cardinal Virtues of Christianity whose Culture the Elder Scrolls' Relationship with the Nords the Swedes is after, Vignar however is the simulacrum of the pompous traditional utilisable tool of a political figurehead, sacrifice is the embodiment of Virtue which Balgruuf extolled
Skyrim never ages. People still make content for this game to this day. It's amazing.
yep
well the game did just come out a few weeks ago
This game Is endless, i finish It 3 times and i'm sure i havent discovered all the locations yet
@@thiccosaurus4033what
@@bussssssss a joke about how many times it has been remade
Hey, I really appreciate you covering both sides! This really helps me appreciate the relatively few differences that happen due to the civil war. I do wish there was a side quest to destroy the Dominion's Embassy if you choose the Stormcloaks.
Same.
Y'know, it would've been cool if you could assassinate the high ranking figures in both armies and it leads to more and more Thalmor being in Skyrim. Then you either have the choice to
a) Purge Skyrim of Talos worshippers with them
b) Just let them carry out their jobs whilst you do your adventuring
c) Clean the mess you made
@@ilovemetalmusic310 That would be an absolute bloody mess! I would never go that far, I'd prefer it if you could simply sway one leader to either surrender or negotiate.
@ChewBubblegum
The virgin Bethesda game studios: Hey buy the Skyrim deluxe super special legendary edition!
The Chad Bethesda Softworks: I don't give a f**k if I'm going broke. I'll still make a good RPG for the fans!
@ChewBubblegum "Besthesda gives no player choice!"
Says on a video about an outcome of the Skyrim Civil War which is decided by player choice.
I love the little enthusiastic nod as Falk finishes his dialogue.
You should have shown Dengier (stormcloak jail of Falkreath, not sure how to spell his name). I like his response the best.
He pretty much says that Ulfric is certainly selfish and only cares about himself, but he's going to have a much better idea of Skyrim's problems than an emporer living in a different province.
Sounds... familiar.
*Cough* Trump.
I'm sorry but it literally sounds like something you'd hear, in fact I am pretty sure I have heard that before. It feels really familiar. Unless I am mixing it up with someone else.
@@deiansalazar140 Honestly, there's a lot of comparisons that can be made between former president Trump and Ulfric Stormcloak, both are flawed men that care about their countries to a point of being fairly nationalistic, both are/were the underdogs in a situation where absolutely nobody thought they could win (either against an empire or a candidate that everyone expected to win just like her husband) yet they managed to pull it off, both are accused of being racist yet both have people of all races (and in Ulfric's case species) supporting them. Neither individual is even close to perfect but personally I find myself siding with both over a dying empire or a coalition of career politicians that have done nothing to help the U.S in their decades of being in positions of power.
@@Jayzgrouse Not even in the slightest for a comparison.
@@Elite-hy7zb I fail to see how it isn't. Looking at it,Trump and Stormcloak are almost identical in how they uphold their beliefs, their mannerisms, their supporters. Both men care for their countries, both have done and said contrversial things, both have sacrificed for their country and are condemned for it and both are painted as tyrants who seek only power, whether that be true or not, both men wish to see their countries strong and free of certain powers
I would never vote for a f***ing racist. Neither for Ulfric in game nor Trump irl
Now that I've formally declared myself Jarl of my parents' home, they're gradually becoming comfortable with my assumption of the standard "Jarl pose" at the dinner table: Left leg forward, right leg back, right elbow on the table, right forearm raised, left hand always reaching for the salt cellar.
Hahaha, that's brilliant.
Eorland: "Could be better, could be worse."
Heimskir: *PRAISE TALOS*
Falk Firebeard: "Ulfric's played this smart."
Elisif: "Damn him."
Beirand: "I still don't have a moment to rest."
Danica: "I only want peace again."
Vignar: "Now the boring stuff begins."
Farengar: "I don't really care, and it's not really changed."
Carlotta: "At least the last guys harassing me didn't smell."
Adrienne: "My clients are showing their racism."
Ulfberth: "I'm not saying overthrow them, just the facts."
Thongvor: *ETHNIC CLENSE*
Balgruuf: "Where are my kids?"
Caius: "Just wait; we'll be back on our feet again."
Ingrod: "I'm trying to find solace in this."
Joric: "My dreams are somehow even worse."
Igmund: "The Empire will be back to stomp this out!" *They won't*
Galmar: "I'm expecting violence. Hopefully."
Ulfric: "We must rebuild Skyrim to fight the Thalmor again."
Ulfric: We will make Skyrim great again... also let's build a wall and make the Imperials pay for it
@@kitsu1379 No need for a wall when the province is surrounded with literal mountains.
@@KaimArgonarEyyyy You don't get it 🙂
**inhale**
*PRAAAIIIIISEEE TALOS!!*
And then they lose.
The moment you had your Dragonborn nod to Falk Firebeard had me laughing so hard for some reason. I do the same thing.
Jarl Igrod : Dark times, dark times indeed. I fear the worst for Morthal and my people.
Caius : Yes? What is it?
😂😂
YES, WHAT IS IT?
YES, WHAT IS IT?
YES, WHAT IS IT?
YES, WHAT IS IT?
Lol, however isn't she and her daughter special for knowing the future and stuff?
If only we could make Balgruuf king
Finally, someone else agrees with that! I actually had an old t-shirt that said: "Balgruuf for High King."
I think the dragonborn should be high king
@@nicolasnamed The amount of tomfuckery that I'd do with that power is unimaginable.
Or just make ourselves High King with the Bend Will Shout if we do Solstheim first.
@@nicolasnamed Dragonborn is fighter not the ruler.
Regardless of who wins, the Thalmor are screwed since the winning side in the civil war has literally the strongest Dragonborn to ever exist.
well if during the war against the elves a hundred bowmen fokusfire on the dragonborn, he will die certainly.
@@alspezial2747 Nope. Between slowing down time, nigh-invulnerability via enchantments, invisibility, bursts of superspeed, and range game, that won't be an issue alone.
@@CodyMe ok
i guess it depends on the build if the dragonborn would stand a chance or not.
@@alspezial2747 Eh, with shouts and the fact ES Player characters can be Jack of all trades and master of all, it doesn't really matter much. What you see in gameplay is heavily restricted due to the game engine. Keep in mind Mirak left a permanent scar on the continent of solstheim while fighting another dragon Priest and a bunch of dragons at once. And that was when he was much weaker than he was when the dragonborn fought him
@@alspezial2747 DB can probably Become Ethereal at will.
I wish you could just single handedly wipe out the thalmor by yourself, the dragonborn could do it. Not enough games let you take matters into your own hands when it comes to the story, its always pick a side.
Or, better yet, actually side _with_ the dragons... however, that would require bugthesda to _not_ be a bunch of lazy hacks.
@@PeteTheGrouch What do you mean "side with the Dragons" like with Alduin the guy who would kill you either way and end the world? Or with Miraak who would likely kill you and attempt to end the world anyways?
A story idea only works if it actually makes sense, and "siding with the dragons" (whatever that means) doesn't make sense with how it is.
@@Deadput It 'makes sense' from the standpoint of "Gee, would I rather fight this dude who could permanently end me; or would I rather get them on my team, assuming they show willingness to do so..?"
It's not like the dragons didn't use to have human vassals back in the day... I imagine even Alduin could recognise the merit of having the last Dragonborn on his side.
Miraak, I'm not so sure of - besides which, I never mentioned siding with him to begin with. If nothing else, the two of you at least share an enemy in the form of that Daedra arsehole... pretty sure the offer of a chance to escape his bondage would be enough to have ol' Miri at least _consider_ the possibilty of an alliance... well, unless he's just one of those "Stupid Evil" types of villains; which, tbh, most bad guys in the Scrolls-verse most definitely are..!
@@PeteTheGrouch not having the option to side with alduin is not Bethesda being lazy. Taking the criticisms a bit too far and just looking stupid for it
I'd have appreciated the option too but chill out lmao
@@Stryker1297 'bugthesda' deserve all the criticism they get & _then_ some... the only stupid ones are those who continually try to make excuses for their laziness & incompetence. _lmao_
I love how everyone's just casually chatting with the person who ended the war.
Say what you will about this game, but to this day I am still impressed by how much story and dialogue there is to find
it's nothing compared to morrowind. The fact that you are impressed just shows how low the bar is.
@@Sehtlimbo muh morrowind
@@Sehtlimbolet people enjoy things
@@SehtlimboMorrowind is a great game that I love but please TOUCH GRASS
@@mentalkittyRealOG touch ass lil boy.
Heimskr talks like he's trying to sell you Talos.
"Do you have time to talk about our lord and savior, Talos the Three-Headed Dragon?"
Can't he actually sell you an amulet of Talos?
@@kannonball5789I don’t believe so
How much does Talos cost? Does he offer bulk discounts?
I always wondered why it's always Stormcloaks and Imperials fighting each other across Skyrim.
The Jarls are very clearly at war with each other, except Balgruuf before Ulfric forces his hand.
You'd expect to see hold troops fighting at the borders. Like Dawnstar and Morthal soldiers fighting each other.
Because most of those jarls don't have the troops to make offensive actions. Especially places like morthal and dawnstar. If they made a move without any backing from either side, it could easily leave them defenseless. Most of the jarls are more concerned about a local threat, forsworn, dragons, etc. That they'd rather wait for the large armies to do something. Plus, I'm sure that many stormcloaks and imperials in skyrim are hold guards loaned to whatever power rules over them as was common in medieval times.
But everyone talks about how all the soldiers are too busy with the war.
@@walnzell9328 Shor's Watchtower is the only place where you see Hold Guards having been attacked by Imperials (this only happens if you side with Stormcloaks)
@@justinferraro1926 Shor's Tower always has the set dressing of an attack. No matter what side of the war you chose. Even if you haven't chosen yet.
@@walnzell9328 Olli
Elisif: No, I’m in no position to make a claim at the throne.
also Elisif, in literally the same breath: I am the rightful High Queen of Skyrim
Hey Elisif? Not making a claim means _not making a claim_ lmao
Elisif the weak
I just hate seeing Balgruuf get overthrown. I don't like killing Ulfric either. That's why I usually go with the peace option.
The "Peace" option is nothing but a temporary truce until the dragons get dealt with.
Bethesda actually cut out an alternate option during the Stormcloak side where during the "Give Balgruuf Ulfric's Axe" sequence, you have to intervene during the deliberation at the right time and successfully convince him to side with Ulfric. Provided you have the proper persuasion perks invested and speech level is ample enough. The mod is called Jarl Balgruuf Dilemma.
@@sonnymastrangioli I was just about to delete skyrim but now I gotta try this lol. Thanks
@@KaimArgonarEyyyy Well its more Bethesda's way of having a canon without implying who the dragonborn sided with. Thus they can then have the war decided by external factors, likely Morrowind sending an army to besiege Riften and Hammerfall flanking an Imperial attempt to retake Markarth, given all 3 of these nations have the same goals of re-exert their independence from the Empire and oppose the Thalmor.
The nod at 2:04 is hysterical to me for some reason. It's just so enthusiastic
I appreciate that you also nod at Falk when he says you can come to him with questions
You nodding your head at Falk made me genuinely smile, because that's exactly how I play the game.
Jarl Balgruuf is probability the main reason I don't join the stormcloaks
Edit: It's just a game. A great game yes, but just a game. No need to hate each other.
I like Balgruuf but I will never join the legion when they tried to cut off my head. Balgruuf makes a bad choice and loses his throne. At least I am happy he doesn't get killed, just ostracized.
@@mwendia its a misunderstanding you almost get your head chopped bcs u got caught when crossing the border.
Their goals was to make sure ulflick and his rebel followers were dead at helgen
Because if the aldmer find out first, the empire afraid the white gold concordat will be broken
@@raihanbermansyah4803 Is that an acceptable excuse? Killing someone innocent over a misunderstanding? Crossing the border itself doesn't warrant such a repercussion and the fact that DB was never on the list yet they still decided that they wanna kill them is so very wrong. Like here you are, living your life doing your thing and then boom, you're dead because the Empire is too lazy to do a background check.
@@piccoloatburgerking bcs we were capture alongside with the rebels that make this a misunderstanding
And if im in such position as a captain
Ill make sure to not let anyone escape after being sighted near with the rebels that has been threatened the peace with the thalmor and murdered the highking
@@raihanbermansyah4803 Again, misunderstanding that can get an innocent person killed is not acceptable. The Empire has no shortages of recourses, why do they have any laws if they're just gonna act like mafias anyway? "Hey lets kill this random dude that has his own life, experiences and memories just because we're too lazy to do a background check" is not acceptable and shows that the Empire has a giant bureaucratic problem within. Fudgemuppet made a video about this, it's called "The Empire will fail" and i encourage that you give it a watch for more insight and context.
Does the emporer or any penitus oculatus npcs say anything unique relating to the stormcloak victory? 🤔
The Penitus Oculatus in Solitude will say that they're nervous with all the Stormcloaks around when the "Emperor" is in Solitude.
@@dutchpatriot17 I always find that funny. The "Emperor" coming to Stormcloak controlled Solitude.
@@CameronKiesser Well shit I started the civil war as a Stormcloak and now it looks like I'ma have to do the DBH questline first because yeah that sounds a little jarring.
Just imagine Ulfric meeting the emperor like
Emperor: "Hey Ulfric, nice to see you, is everything alright in Windhelm?"
Ulfric: "The emperor! Men, seize him!"
Emperor: "Dude calm down I have a dinner to attend and afterwards, I'm gonna be killed by the Dark Brotherhood to collect the bounty I put on myself"
Ulfric: "Uh ok whatever"
@@runtergerutscht4401 😏 as expected to the Emperor's Voice, he calmed Ulfric and his men at ease.
I wish someone would make a mod that gives out the aftermath of skyrim. Like the moot and you're invited to attend to see who becomes high king, a big celebration in whiterun for destroying Alduin, and potentially more. I've yet to see a mod for that though.
We never get to see Elisif's parade. 😢
Yeah, we won, it's a great day to the Imperials...er...what? We are Stormcloaks? Oh, yeah, I remember.
The only reason why I picked stormcloaks is because they didn’t try cutting my head off in the beginning
Don't take it so personally.
And you honestly believe the Stormcloakes wouldn't have tried to cut your head off if you were caught together with the leader of their mortal enemies?
From an outsider's view, you were a plainclothes wearing Stormcloak (possibly a spy) due to you travelling with *Ulfric Stormcloak.*
@@lionhartjohn1000 they had a choice to cut my head or leave me and the girl picked to cut my head
@@isoulz8076 You have to look at it from the Captain's perspective. They brought in 2 carts full of Stormcloaks, including *THE* Ulfric Stormcloak. There were also 2 people with them who didn't wear Stormcloak uniforms and say they aren't with them, but they were still caught together. This could very easily indicate that they are spies, either a Stormcloak one or a foreign one, both of which would be a very big problem if left alive.
If they actually aren't with the Stormcloaks and were just at the wrong place at the wrong time, they are still criminals trying to illegally cross the border (in an area that could easily be called an active warzone). The benefits of possibly executing enemy spies far outweigh the demerits of possibly executing someone that only committed a lesser crime.
I already heard this excuse to Join the stormcloacks so many times,and even in that many times Still a dumb excuse
I wonder how the Argonians and Dark Elves felt.
They didn't really like it too much, but figured "frick it, we'll just have to make do."
To be fair, not even an Imperial victory makes things any different for the Argonians.
@@RyoKasai25 though the Argonians do favor an Imperial victory going off quotes
Lol furry
Who cares? They want red carpet treatment in a land that's not their own. And if they think they should be put first instead of the people that country they're in, they need to be kicked out. I'd do it.
Based Stormcloaks
I always remember what alvor said about the war: the banishment of talos was made only in paper, when ulfric rose to power empire was forced to act, also stentorr and balgruf both stated that the empire was vital with their trade routes for Skyrim
Not so much rose to power - Ulfric's shenanigans at Markarth are the thing that Alvor is talking about. The Markarth Incident enabled the Thalmor to start enforcing the ban.
True, but if the Empire decided to keep fighting the Thalmor instead of surrender than there would be no need to ban Talos in the first place. The fact that the Thalmor had to sign a treaty goes to show that they were weakening.
Think about it. If the Thalmor was all powerful, then they would not have signed the treaty. They would have instead annexed the Empire and control all of Tamriel.
@@waluigi3515 It's canon that the entire Empire would've fallen had the Concordat not been signed. This is not a matter of debate.
@@dutchpatriot17 Except they had the warriors of Hammerfell at minimum. They also didn't allow the Thalmor into Skyrim, a land which there are many Nords willing to fight for their homes. They defended the Skyrim border, instead of focusing their priorities on other things. They failed to rely on their provinces and as a result their only other chance to beat the Thalmlor was forfeit.
Falk always seemed like a down to earth dude. I like him, he's like if Balgruuf were a steward.
Heimskr has the best reaction. Love that guy!
Vignar looks so wrong on the throne
I also like how the Imperial jarls think of the safety of their people first and are fairly dignified in their loss, where the Stormcloaks just fling insults at you and effectively tantrum when it's them
what are you talking about lmao. All the defeated imperial Jarls also start throwing insults at you when the cloaks win, there's no difference between the two. This video didn't show all of their responses lol
@@ocstek1471 yes
How does Vignar look bad? The throne suits him as well as it suited Balgruuf. He has plans to give freedom of worship, get more guards and stock up on food and water. How is that bad?
Pretty sure barlgruff has freedom of religion explicit in his town. I mean. Heimskir isnfree to preach before a shrine of talos FFS. I can never betray barlgruff. Perhaps also cos I never play a nord.
@@mwendia I’m pretty sure he meant visually looks wrong. Because he just wears the noble clothes
Hey can you do all rections to the dragonborn wearing the Amulet of Mara? I think that would be very interesting
seems interesting, I'll take a look 👍
@@TopGameWorld I don't think any NPCs have unique dialogue :(
Only generic dialouge for each voice type.
It’s always just : is that an amulet of Mara? Followed by : well of course I’m interested, why are you?
This civil war makes me really wish for a yes man option.
Talos already went with it last time only his Yes Man was Numidium
I should point out Danica's quote is not connected to the victory, its due to the start of the war.
Tamriel is ready for its own Viking age. Dominion coasts, here we come!
**Constructs longship with malicious intent*
Elf bastards won't know what hit em.
@@tex4096 95% sure Stormcloak victory and the following "Viking" Age is the canon outcome Bethesda had in mind. Way back in Morrowind, the avatar of Talos himself tells you the Empire will eventually die and something new will be born. I think it's time for a Nordic Sea Empire, with a new Dragonborn dynasty at the helm.
@@freevertibirdrides7437 >the avatar of Talos himself tells you the Empire will eventually die and something new will be born.
He actually says that he doesn't mind IF the Empire dies
He is at best indifferent to it's fate
@@freevertibirdrides7437 Viking Age is unlikely given the Stormcloaks, Hammerfell, and Morrowind don't want that so much as a resurgence of the ideals of the Ebonheart Pact, that Tamriel shouldn't have a central state, but be a confederation of ethnostates, so their racial cultures can be respected and not tied to the whims of another race. Plus the people who don't want to be part of the Empire anymore are still firmly anti-Thalmor.
Elisif: "It seems I will never take my rightful place as High Queen."
Heimskr: "The true sons and daughters of Skyrim have liberated us!"
Beirand & Belethor: *S T O N K S* 📈
2:05 the little head nod omg so cute
regardless of your opinion of either side, I'll never understand why people want their character to fight for the people who were literally seconds away from beheading you in the opening scene. You escape with Ralof and then become friends, that makes way more sense than running off with Hadvar, in a real life situation who would you trust??
the politics and reasoning behind the empire doesn't change just because some idiot was going to behead you, and hadvar clearly didn't want you to be executed. You can't hold grudges for a mistake
Idk, who would I trust. The one who puts his life on the line to escort me to safety, or the one who cowered in a tower?
Jeez, that sure is a tough one.
Well, the stormcloacks never say something like "hey, he is not with us, don't execute him", so, it's more likely that stormcloacks are the main reason why are you getting executed
The Trained Soldier who didn't get Captured
at least Hadvar tried to stop your execution whilst Ralof didn't bother speaking up for you or Lokir.
Eorlund Gray-Mane: … comes the end of the day, imperials and stromcloaks ain’t much different.
Every traveler: that’s true!
Yeah but i try to get the better outcome, and having ulfric in windhelm and Vignar on Whiterun is pretty shitty to me. I think the imperial route will lead a better destiny to the skyrim people
4:25
“I’m sure that as the sun rising in the morning”
Me with bloodcursed arrows:
*maniacal laughing*
Just because Serana's blood caused a solar eclipse, doesn't mean the sun didn't rise.
@@KopperNeoman 200IQ comment.
Taking the fight to the elves sounds like a good plan to me.
Farengar Secret-Fire became Farengone in a secret fire as soon as I heard those lines.
Guess Nelkir was right.
One of the things I wish they added was after taking over a city or before the battle for said city, you could speak with the Jarl’s on opposing sides and convince or even intimidate them to join the side your on. There were a few jarls who were better suited than their counterparts.
Also convincing Ulfric and Elisif to marry each other to unify Skyrim all together would be interesting.
It would be pretty weird to mary the dude who killed your husband tho.
@@THANAT0S_ in the movie "the last samurai" the mc married the wife of a samurai he killed at the end. And yeah, it's weird as hell
@@THANAT0S_ In dragon age: Origins, one of the options for the next ruler is to have Arnora and Alistair marry each other even though they basically hate/ really dislike each other.
@@THANAT0S_ That’s pretty common actually
I always thought it would be cool if the Dragon Born was able to rebuild Helgan as it's new Jarl you could pick whoever you want to put into positions.
In all my playthroughs I never sided with the Stormcloaks, so it’s pretty interesting to watch this.
I don't like racist nords too.
@@Badgerinary Everyone is racist in The Elder Scrolls, ffs
@@Chud_Bud_Supreme noooot quite so much as windhelm.
@Divalvaro aight
@Divalvaro "It is okay to let Argonians get murdered by bandits".
How about you just leave.
it baffles me that Baalgruf just left his kids in whiterun, they're not even hiding they all hang out in the kitchen cellar in plain view
I don't think Ulfric and the Stormcloaks are bad people, but the rebellion is a pretty dumb and inconsequent movement. Talos was literally the founder of the Empire, so it's pretty obvious that they did not want to make peace with the Thalmor and outlaw his worship. The White-Gold Concordat was a way for the Empire to regain it's forces and fight back the Aldmeri Dominion, as General Tulius makes it clear that after dealing with the Stormcloaks they are going to prepare to fight back the Elves.
In resume, Ulfric is actually helping the Thalmor (even if he does not realise it), and that's why I side with the Imperials every time I play.
I feel bad for the stormcloaks but they're just so dumb
@@redwind5150 They aren't necessarily dumb, just very shortsighted. See top comment. None of this is hard to figure out
They are bad cuz they are racist
Not only dumb they don't know that because of talos he founded the empire that is the problem of theme they idk that they are destroying Tiber septim Creation of the Empire
@Divalvaro they dont support the stormcloaks cuz stormcloaks are racist cunts and its not they fight, Empire is a better option than stormcloaks cuz Empire is not as cruel as Stormcloaks
I always believed that Solitude is the reflection of the empire and windhelm is the reflection of the stormcloaks and if the stormcloaks would win, all of skyrim would look like windhelm.
Hey, I like Windhelm.
@Divalvaro I think it's more like the spite and racism in windhelm would spread through skyrim.
You know, I always wondered why the dark elves refugees in Riften where not poor like the ones in Windhelm, in fact some of them are quite wealthy, apparently there's a book that explains why and though Ulfric did not help the dark elves put themselves in to that situation, unlike the argonians since they had no chance due to Ulfric banning their access to the city
@@Winrarnt A high elf which the nords despise a lot more than dunmer got into a position of power and wealth and most elves say the ones in the grey quarter are quite bitter and the reason argonians stay out on the docks is because there would be a blood bath against the prideful argonians and the even more prideful dunmer would start to fight each other because of the enslavement of argonians and the argonians butchering their way through a weakened morrowind.
@@robertwye9463 funny. They used to be in the same alliance. The nords, the dumner and the argonian.
I always though Eilisif didn't deserve to be High Queen just for being the widow of the last High King. I feel like I would have sided Imperial first play through if there was a better candidate. Like Torugg's sister or people rallying behind another city's Jarl.
Well, there's always restored content with Erikur for that. Oh, wait, that's far worse..
The Dragonborn should be High King. I like to marry Elisif (with the help of a mod) which solidifies my claim to the throne.
@@joelpierce1453 I beg to differ. DB wouldn't be High King in that case, he would be prince consort to High Queen Elisif..and under the rule of virgin Mede Dynasty as well. No, DB should ascend to become the new Talos or smthng. Or at the very least, the new chad emperor of Tamriel.
@@Seifiros I don't marry Elisif because it grants me the title, I know Skyrim titles don't work like that, I marry her as a means of solidifying my authority (and because she's awesome as a wife). People in Skyrim who are uneasy about the Dragonborn becoming High King would presumably be more comfortable with it if he married a Jarl. Like a vote of confidence.
Also, yeah, after becoming High King of Skyrim, we obviously establish a new Imperial Dynasty based on the bloodline of the Dragonborn. The Septim Empire hasn't been legitimate since Martin Septim died.
@@joelpierce1453 Well it's no longer the Septim empire, it's a decrepit shell of it called the Mede empire but yeah, I get what you mean. But you know what would make that story even more awesome? If the dragonborn is an argonian!
The little shuffle away from Commander Caius ...
Most people I’m sure pick the imperials because of balgruuf and it definitely helps but I’ve always resonated with ingrid ravencrown with her insight as well as what she says at the thalmor embassy I think about a lot “fair faces and fine food are well and good but honesty is rarely so pleasing” she knows dark days are coming with the thalmor eventually and she had more of an impact on me than most of the other jarls on either side
I think a lot of people end up picking the Imperials because it seems the developers thought the Imperials were the "right" choice. I say this because I swear... the voice actors for Stormcloaks have this intentionally malice-sounding voice to them. People pick up on the "ulterior motives" voicing and shy away from them.
I couldn’t fathom picking the imperials. Bloated, bureaucratic, Thalmor puppets.
@@obi-wankenobi1750 You think you get to bargain after losing a war? And it was foreshadowing by many NPCs that the empire are preparing to go to war with the Thalmor again, this civil war is hindering that plan, Ulfric literally is just a pathetic puppet of the Thalmor or Alduin for their bidding without even realizing it or even if he knew then he's to power hungry to care, Torygg actually admired Ulfric would listen to his advisory but nope, he outright killed him, I wish there's a mod for you to duel him and kill him with shout just like what he did and take over Windhelm.
@@obi-wankenobi1750There’s literally a book in the thalmor embassy confirming ulfric stormcloak to be a thalmor puppet and plant lol
@procrastinatorextraordinaire I believe that he WAS a thalmor agent but the book labels him “uncooperative”.
Not the happiest ending for some, but at least the Thalmor won't be dragging off and murdering Nords in their own homeland. And the Stormcloaks will actually take the fight to the Dominion.
Actually, its more likely the Dominion will bring the fight to the Stormcloaks, and they'll arrive well before Skyrim is ready to deal with them. You'd be foolish if you think that they weren't planning this from the outset of the civil war.
@@yoshitotem How exactly would the Dominion attack Skyrim like that? It would take months, maybe a year going on ships. They can't cut through Hammerfell because they're actively hostile. And I doubt that even the Empire under their boot would allow them to send an entire army through Cyrodil.
@@matthewskinner6626how’d the thalmor ship in solesthiem get there? you believe in flat mundus or something? that the summerset isles, an island nation, wouldn’t have a good navy? that the farmers and peasants that make up the stormcloaks stand a chance against magic wielding elven soldiers?
@@procrastinatorextraordinaire 1. I haven't played the dlc (yet) and bringing that up has nothing to do with anything I said. 2. I literally never said the Dominion didn't have a good navy. Traveling cross-Tamriel takes months, don't matter how good your navy is. 3. Did you know the Stormcloaks also have veteran ex Legionaries, warriors and guardsmen, too? I mean, you can make the same reductive statement about the Legion. Where do you think they get their men from?
@@procrastinatorextraordinairetake a look at map of elder scrolls a naval invasion may be possible but by no means would it be easy or quick. The distance is all the way around hammerfell and highrock both of which dislike the thalmor so theirs a fair chance the might get attacked or supply ships bringing food and other necessities would be attacked. Even when they get to skyrim their landing spots are garbage, and their in hostile lands with no proper base. With chance of reinforcements being weeks to months away. Where as skyrim could easily call upon hammerfell for help, morrow too but they be unlikely. If the battle goes well for skyrim the empire might also declare war on thalmor finally, if it doesn't than they covertly help them, after all both sides hate the thalmor, the empire are just bigger cowards than skyrim.
Commander Caius: "Yes? What is it?"
You: *dafuq*
Ulfric Stormcloak was just too badass for me to pass up. On top of that I’m not gonna side with the people who tried to chop my head off unjustifiably
fair
on top of that im not siding with people who let some elves tell them who they can and cant worship
No, you don't get it. You were in the general vicinity of some Stormcloaks while trying to cross the border. That means you need to be executed with the rest of the Stormcloaks
IQ 50: "SkYriM belOnGS to tHE noRdS"
IQ 100: "please bro if you rebel against the empire the elfs will win bro, yeah the Redguards actually did beat them after their independence but bro think about our human heritage , but not about Talos bro"
IQ 150: Skyrim belongs to the Nords
The Redguards lost nearly half their population to repel the Domminion
@@goryanadazaghal1206 and they have the help from the imperiel legion who still there
@@bunnitomoe3866 that would've been barely 5k men as A Legion consists of 5k men
underrated comment
@@goryanadazaghal1206 and so what? They prefered that with the price of independence and freedom rather than live like puppets.
My first time playing Skyrim I was an imperial and I sided with the Stormcloaks, Ulfric said something about me betraying my imperial ways and Cyrodill but he welcomed me as a part of his army anyway.
I'm still wondering if he ate the 10k poisoned apples I left on his table.
Thank you so much for trying to keep this fair and showing the NPC's reactions to the Stormcloak victory too! All-Maker/The 9 Divines/The Hist/Azura Bless you 🐻💪🏼💙😏
Ex fucking scuse you? Did you say NINE divines??? *triggered elf noises. *imprisons and tortures you*
@@EnterTheMatr1x1337 😂😂
"I try and take comfort in knowing that when all is lost, there is much to be gained."
Damn, that's pretty deep.
People who hate on Stormcloaks but then complain about the imperialism of the British empire are the worst types of hypocrites.
? Wtf
Like no.
The british steal via taxes the american british, they wasn't protecting them from any threat
The good ending. Skyrim becomes an independent power free from elven tyranny, and will soon ally with Hammerfell to take the fight to the elves.
Traitor
Skyrim and Hammerfell wouldn't team up since they have their own individual messes that they'd want to sort out.
@@MartyFromDagestan killing elves is a good enough reason
@@zm1786 wouldn't redguards be more hostile with orcs of orsinium? Who are elves, but get treated as their own things overall
balgruuf secretly worships talos, sucks that you can’t side with stormcloaks while keeping him as jarl
While we were busy with endinga war, Commander Caius was busy saving the galaxy from the Reapers
I love Carlotta's reaction the best.
Out of my ten years of playing Skyrim, Ulferbth and Adrianne have been my favorite duo, and possibly top characters of all time.
I’ve literally never seen them in the same frame. Weird duo
@@obi-wankenobi1750 Adrianne occasionally hangs out inside the store with her husband so it's not that farfetched
I like how the stormcloaks are self relient while the empire jarls hide with the imperials waiting on the empire to take back their cities..
The Stormcloak jarls say the same thing in an Imperial victory
4:23 "Sure as the sun rising in the morning" Laughs in the Tyranny of the Sun
Cassius constantly interrupting your conversation with Idgrod, finally forcing you to step to one side to keep him from interrupting yet again, was somehow hilarious.
I like how Beirand doesn't seem upset about the stormloaks winning
We're never explicitly shown how old certain characters are, but we can infer based on dialog and other facts so I have to say that Elisif doesn't seem to be old enough to remember the Great War and the signing of the White-Gold Concordat. Torygg, maybe did, but he's dead (this based on Sybille Stentor's dialog) but Elisif gives me the impression that she's really young - like around 20, which would have made her not even born yet at the end of the Great War. By the time Markarth is restored to the Empire by Ulfric's Stormcloaks, Elisif is 10 and old enough to know something big happened but not old enough to grasp all the implications of that conflict. Whereas characters like Tullius, Falk, Erikur, Rikke, Ulfric, Galmar and many others either directly involved. It's a game with admittedly low-par graphics so we can't really assume much but let's make the assumption that all of these people I just named were alive during the GW (they were), they'd have had to be 30 years younger since the GW happened in 4E 171 (Skyrim happens in 4E 201). So all of these people were at least 20-30 when the GW happened. It's still pretty fresh in their minds and Ulfric doing this was exactly what the Thalmor wanted.
I really hope that we see more of the conflict unfold in VI (like more or less within the same timespan as Skyrim) since we know that the game will be set in Hammerfell and High Rock.
Well, let's remember something here: the timeline in Skyrim would be similar to our timeline around the years of 1600-1800. During that period of time, one would be considered an adult at 14 years old and many would already have joined armies. If you take that into account, many of the people you mentioned were probably involved in the GW during their teenage years, making them even younger than what we might think. Even if Elisif were about 10 yo, giving the fact that she is a "royal", she would probably already be receiving diplomatic training and would have known a lot about the war, even if she hadn't actively participated in it. When the NPCs refer to others as being "young", they aren't actually commenting on their age, but on their experience. During said times, you could be 25 and already considered old if you fought and lived through a war. Because of that, Elisif is young in experience, but probably older than 20.
Slight correction, in the very same note that expresses the Thalmor wanting the war to happen they also say they DONT want a Stormcloak victory either. Something people always seem to forget while using the very same note or journal entry to argue against Ulfric.
So no this isn’t Ulfric doing what the Thalmor wanted. What they wanted was a constant state of destabilization; but now Skyrim can actively build up against them. Either way the Thalmor loose.
This feels like when film crews go around New York and interview people. Love it!
Both sides are highly imperfect but I always go with the stormcloaks. I mean hard to join a side that was going to cut your head off to start the game.
same!
It's only hard to join them if you view the Civil War as a contained conflict that would have no repercussions moving forward that would affect-- I don't know-- the next Great War that the Empire was gearing up for. The only thing Skyrim had to contribute was man power and that's it. It's nice if you want a bunch of meatshields but armored warriors are going to die en masse against the Dominion-- that use Magic. If the collective Empire almost collapsed even with the Nords from Skyrim providing the bulk of its forces + other provinces, Skyrim doesn't really stand a chance on its own regardless of its numbers.
Hammerfell at least doesn't actively look down on branches of magic such as Destruction like the Nords do.
@@brucewayne8550 dragonborn
@@brucewayne8550if the new great war happen not long after the end of Skyrim they would have the dragonborn with them, that count like 1k men
1:29 Falk Firebeard: "Hmph. It's genius, really". How the writers pat themselves on the back , considering how bad they are...
How can you not deeply want the deaths of Nazeem and Farengar?
Nazeem ofc but why farengar? He’s hilarious
@@Keyblader7762 He's an arrogant piece of trash
I always thought it was funny that Thongvor Silver Blood is one of the game’s biggest Empire-haters but he wears imperial steel boots and Bracers, even with the Imperial Dragon Crest on his arms! I’m aware its probably just an oversight because the game classifies the bracers as “Steel” not “Imperial” in the game files so the developers probably just slapped some steel armour on him and forgot about it. But, nonetheless, pretty ironic lol
It’s funny cuz if it was an option for the DB to turn on ulfric after he becomes high king the empire would win with ease
DB?
@@dyslexicmidget1344 DrangonBorn
if you want the empire to win why side with ulfric in the first place??
There’s an option of changing sides near the beginning of joining the imperials/stormcloaks, involving getting the crown out the ruins, where you can give it to the opposite side instead. Imagine the drama :)
Empire? I would take Skyrim for myself! Fuck those guys
Appreciate this video, I rarely play the civil war but when I do I only ever play as the imperials so its good to see the comments from the other side
I made my decision after doing Eorlund-gray mane's mother's Quest, that Quest perfectly summed up both sides of the civil war and I didn't think twice about supporting ulfric after it
What was it?
@@TheUKNutter the quest to rescue her son from a fort thalmor, he was being tortured there and in this quest we need to sneak in to save him
@@andersonmachado5543 I think it’s an instance of the battle born’s in general and not the empire
@@TheUKNutter it's also part of the empire, since at the end of the civil war when you play for the imperials some thalmors do what they want for Skyrim, for example in markat, there are 3 thalmors patrolling there and you're still being asked to capture a bard who prayed for Talos hiding
@@andersonmachado5543thats not an argument. Hitler loved animals. That make all animal lovers nazis? No.
Being part of an organization doesn't mean that your actions are responsibility of the organization. The Battleborn were fucks that deserve to die. They give away their neighbor, a person that they see everyday in the market, that has the blood of whiterun in their veins as them and they give him away for a political disagreement. And not to the empire, but to the Thalmor
Based and Talos-Pilled.
6:12 " It's ______ to old to be _________ ? It's a fair question.If he's grown infirm and is losing his wits,where does that leave the people of _______? "
Hmm,reminds me of someone
Trump
@@kluhnahgoh5911 Really?
Trump isn't an old man. I really do find it amusing when an "Orange man bad" warrior tries to find anywhere to smear his name at anytime.
@@tankofnova9022 but but the government told me he's a bad guy
Biden. His mental condition is plain to see whenever he speaks.
True sons and daughters of skyrim already knew all these reactions
It still Infuriates me that Balgruf takes the opposing side no matter what. He's one of the most likeable jarls.
The lil nod after talking to Falk was kinda cute lol.
Idk why I just smile and love when people are in first person and do a lil nod when npcs say stuff to them.
I wish you had asked Balgruuf why he sided with the Imperials, I think that should've fitted in, in this video. I guess I'll have to side with the Stormcloaks now to find out myself lol
I joined the Stormcloaks because of Ralof, hate the Empire because Dragonborn almost got executed even he/she was not guilty. It's a shame though, I do like Jarl Ballin.
If you’re on pc the move is to use the become high king immersive edition mod, play through with Ulfric then convince him to vote you as King.
After that you can appoint back people like Balgruff or whatever npc’s you want to be Jarls of the major holds.
It’s a nice mod for role playing as you can override the decision to put corrupt leaders in power like in Riften where you choose between horrid Lawgiver or Black-Briar. I like saying fuck off to both and giving it to the humble fisherman Bolli.
The only downside is you can’t adjust the minor holds, so some of the chill lesser jarls like Ravencrone still get thrown out.
Man, all this dialogue I never would’ve seen without this video, thanks for that
Some of these like the priestess’ line around 3:33 are available before or after the Stormcloak victory
I’ve played both sides in different play throughs. I respect Ulfric’s passion, but Tullius recognizes the Thalmor threat, too, and the only way for the Empire to win is together. *United We Stand, Divided We Fall!*
To be fair, both sides hate the Thalmor. Once the Stormcloaks take over Solitude, the first things Ulfric and Galmor do is talk about getting ready for the upcoming war with the Thalmor.
The Imperials believe in playing nice with the Thalmor for now, all while silently gaining strength to over time. The Stormcloaks believe in openly renouncing the Thalmor, and attempting to undermine their control at every turn. Both sides have merit.
@@tomsparks2697 Yeah both sides have merit, as long you ignore the blatant racism, misogyny, and authoritarianism. Also the fact that the Thalmor support Ulfric.
@@mme.veronica735 @Mme. Veronica In what way do the Stormcloaks support misogyny and authoritarianism? I will grant you that alot of Stormcloaks are unfortunately very racist. But that doesn't mean that Stormcloaks hate women or freedom. That also doesn't mean that everything Ulfric says about the Empire is untrue.
The Thalmor support the civil war, but they don't support Ulfric. The Thalmor even say that a Stormcloack would also be bad for the Thalmor. A victory on either side will stabilize Skyrim, which is not what the Thalmor want.
I only sided once with the Imperials. There has to be a Option to unite the stormcloaks and the empire.
@@mme.veronica735 talmor support ulfric Just to let the empire waste its soldiers in this war meaningless in their eyes, talmor know what the empire Is plotting, this Is why they are interested in keeping the civile war going as long as possible
I always like Falk, he is the most competent and politically savvy of all the stewards in the holds. And he is pretty open with you as well when starting the Wolf Queen quest. Flat out told player he was just gonna wave the matter off originally before seeking your help.
Balgruuf may have his downsides but he is still a kind hearted jarl who really wants what's best for his people, I wish there was a way to convince him to stay on as jarl, then I would go as storm cloaks, but as it stands Imperials all the way so I can save Jarl Ballin
one of my playthroughs is glitched and while the storms cloaks occupy whiterun, balgruuf is still jarl in battle armour and all
The issue with that is is that Ulfric forced his hand to serve the Empire. Ulfric's entire position in Skyrim was that you were either with him or against him. He saw neutrality as the acts of an enemy because they are withholding men, resources and supplies from his war effort and that means war.
In the Empire path, imperial scouts reported that Ulfric was preparing his army to attack Whiterun. Tullius decided to use that to pressure Balgruuf to join the Empire but Ulfric was still taking aggressive action in preparing to attack Whiterun. When Balgruuf gets the news he starts making preparations for war because Ulfric brought it to his doorstep, and he sends the dragonborn to deliver his axe to Ulfric to get final confirmation on Ulfirc's intentions. On the Stormcloak path Ulfric sends the dragonborn to deliver his axe to Balgruuf and declares his intentions to attack unless Balgruuf submits and joins him.
No matter which way it goes, Balgruuf was forced into the war by Ulfric. Balgruuf wasn't going to side with the man invading his hold and bringing war and death to Whiterun.