Why Ulfric Stormcloak Is An IDIOT - Skyrim Civil War Lore
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- Ulfric Stormcloak might be a fierce warrior and a great orator but in reality, he's an idiot. Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Civil War lore.
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I love the Argonian that works the workbench. He's so sassy.
"The Nords don't appreciate the Argonians. So what? I don't appreciate them right back"
@@mrflyingace Etleast he's being honest about it in a nice way unlike the elves at radiant raiment.
@@mrflyingace I love how you took that extreme, but did I say anything about it being justified? No, i just said etleast the delivery wasn't as insulting as the high elf from radiant raiment. thanks for the school session teach, but right now I've got some kids to beat up for lunch money at the park. Peace yo.
Thus why I play Argonian. They speak their minds better than the others due to being the most openly hated race for basically no reason. For Khajit, well they are the source of Skooma dealing so there's at least a legit reason to hate them unlike Argonians. Lmao.
@@i-evi-l and speaking of how they speak, I gotta say I really think the male argonian voice is pretty awesome.
@@madhattergamer3567 Ssithisss bless you child.
The dumbest thing Ulfric ever did was not realizing his hands were bound in front of him, so he could've just pulled the gag down himself
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Lmfao... wow.. yea.. what a dipshit 😂
That’s entirely in line with his self, for Ulfric is a truly peerless idiot.
@@jackorooni2948Hello, Madgod.
...he surrendered.
It always bothered me that even after finding the Thalmor Dossiers I wasn't able to use them as evidence to show both sides who the real enemy was.
There was ALOT of cut content when it came to the Civil War questline and other big ones like the Mages College, but I am sure that this was actually apart of the cut content IF I recall correctly.
Yeah this one was infuriating.
Hey, morons, the Nazi elves are PLAYING YOU ALL.
Both sides know who the real enemy is.
General Tullius is in Skyrim because of the rebellion. They are relying on the local recruitment because most of the Imperial Legion is on the border of the Aldmeri Dominion. So, the Empire knows. The Stormcloaks don't.
You know, I agree. The devs might have "forgotten" or not realized that showing both sides the Dossiers could benefit the game, and both human forces could unite against the Thalmor.
Imagine when the moot happens instead of the jarls electing ulfric, they just elect the dragonborn instead.
Like how cardinals can elect any catholic to be pope if they want to
I think this guy doesnt understand tradition trial combat and ruler by conquest.
Everything to him must be a voting system. What is skyrim? Democratic state?
Lmao.
If empire used that energy and brain they muster against stormcloak. They would not have lost to the aldmeri dominion.
Id hate my dragonborn to be chosen shes stupid as a bag of rocks. She only knows one thing and thats to kill dragons haahaa
@@WestbrickFansGotNoBrains
The Elective Monarchy was the traditional way of deciding a new king in most pre-Christian Scandinavian countries, which is what Skyrim and Nordic culture is based on. Ulfric himself is a firm believer in his people's traditions, and because of that he would absolutely participate in an election. Would it be a rigged election? Yes, but it would still be an election.
I don't think it's a good idea
Why can't we just declare war on the thalmor
we have a damn dragonborn.
Sunquad one soldier against an army would get bodied
@@macasaurusrex4863 hehehehehe...not with me in it
Sunquad I mean I have Skyrim metabombed into the dirt yet imagine having to face off against the full might of the aldermeri dominion
I mean, with the combined powers of both Stormcloaks,Blades,Imperials. Any derelict item you come across, with your dragon shouts and being maxed in your selected profession (Me being a Conjuration,archer,heavy armor,one handed,block,Smithing,Enchanting,werewolf, and sneaking) then yea. Id...probably be fine?
@@macasaurusrex4863 the only migth thing the elfs are gonna see is how my 100% magic absorbtion breton laugths at them for nullifyng their main strengh
Even if you’ll be allow to be the high king in Skyrim. There’s always somebody who’s going to tell you this: “Wait.. I know you..”
Just tell them haters you REALLY don't have time for that, and ask if they do
There like wait i-
I just press back and that's it
I find it funny that as long as you don't reply to "Wait... I know you" you are allowed to just exit the conversation and the guard won't care.
@@Winrarnt yea and sometimes there like ok have a good day
@@matthewdoherty803 "Hey wait. That's a wanted criminal! I should arrest him! Wait what? He doesn't want to talk? Fair enough then. Have a good one."
Tulius himself even says “You realize this is exactly what they wanted” when you’re about to kill him at the end of the Stormcloak quest line
Good. He died the traitorous pawn that he was.
@@andrewnavarro1185 By they, Tulius meant the Thalmor.
that does not mean he is correct. according to the thalmor dossier on ulfric, the thalmor want the war to drag on as long as possible, and either side winning is detrimental to them. likely, tullius either believes otherwise, or it was just the last, spiteful words of someone who lost a war and wants to get in one more verbal jab before he dies
@@Underworlder5 Nah while it'll benefit the dominion more for the civil war to go on, the empire losing the dominion would also still benefit the dominion.
@@khalduras784 depends on how you see it. if the stormcloaks win, then the empire just leaves skyrim alone and spends more focus on opposing the dominion or preparing for the inevitable war. the way i see it, if the empire wins, then the civil war was just a minor speed bump they can recover from, while if the stormcloaks win, skyrim is under an independent rule that hates the thalmor even more than the empire does. basically, they either barely slow down their greatest enemy, or create a new enemy that might prove even worse
Ulfric in the peace talks on High Hrothgar: demands one of the largest/most prosperous cities in the country.
Also Ulfric: nearly storms out when the empire does the same
Dude for real, he expected to trade it for Winterhold and not Riften, which is also not worth trading Markarth for.
Not saying he's right but from his point of view, this town is rightly his, why the fuck would outsiders get any right to the largest cities in the NORD's country.
@@thechugg4372 the Reachmen would like a word with you
Dovahkiin: "Can't I just kill them all?"
Bethesda: "No!"
Well, that depends if Elenwen is allowed to stay. If she's forced to leave, then the Empire is the one who throws a fit when an even trade is suggested.
The best argument for how stupid Ulfric is, is from the smith in Riverwood, if you followed the imperial soldier out of Helgen. Yes, Talos worship was officially outlawed, but it wasn't actually enforced by the Empire. Everyone still had their little shrine to Talos at home, and nobody asked. The empire only started actually cracking down on Talos worshippers when they rose in open rebellion against the Empire. So, you know, it's less actual religious persecution and more, you know, cracking down on a rebellion.
And just to make a point of how non-enforced it STILL is, unless you're actually a rebel, consider the fact that both the widow queen which is supported by the empire for High King, and Tulius's second in command are Talos worshippers and not particularly good at hiding it. Also, the Jarl of Whiterun clearly tolerates a shrine to Talos and a loud preacher of Talos right in the middle of the rich upper quarter, but as long as he's still pro-Empire, nobody tells him to stop that.
So basically Ulfric is fighting against a problem that he created.
The thalmor literally kill a guy in markarth for being a talos worshiper
The Guardian markarth is only like that because ulfric captured it so he could worship talos making it so when he lost it that more attention to its worshiping would be brought to it
@@bethejudge1950 Did you just ignore the fact that he has to ask you - a stranger - to do so because Igmund is unwilling to help them?
Nota Realname they only started cracking down on Talos worship after the terms of the markarth incident and Ulfric assisting there were brought to the Thalmor’s attention. Only after that do the Thalmor more actively patrol Skyrim. Up until that, it was exactly as said, Talos worship was outlawed, but the law barely enforced.
Exactly. Plus everybody knows that the Empire doesn't want to outlaw Talos worship. They're just doing it to bide their time before they have recovered from the last war and are ready to take on the Aldmeri Dominion again. And if they win that war, they'll make Talos worship legal again.
I've always found it ironic that the one event that made me side with the Imperials was walking into Windhelm with the intention of joining the Stormcloaks.
Right? To enter Windhelm and join the Cloaks, you have to walk past two Stormbros harassing a dunmer woman for no reason, Brunwulf outraged that Ulfric won't send guards to defend argonian's from bandits, then walk past the Grey Quarter slums.
They throw all of this right in your face before even talking to Mr. Cloaks himself.
But but but the Stormcloaks fight for FREEDOM!*
*Only applies to Nords
@@duncanlutz3698 Sounds like Trump's freedom.
@@ASTRA1564
Ulfric: "We're going to build a wall, and the Thalmor are going to pay for it! They're all drug dealers and rapists anyway... real bad hombres (merebres?)!"
"MAKE SKYRIM GREAT AGAIN!"
I know Ulfric predates Trump's campaign... but damn if I can't unsee the connection now. Trump has really ruined "nationalism" for the foreseeable future... it all just comes out as a dog whistle for racism. AKA "Skyrim is for the Nords" is heard as "Skyrim is (only) for the Nords!"
@@duncanlutz3698 That's exactly what I thought when I played the game, aha another Hitler within a game, I think the Aldmeri Dominion is supposed to be British, but I don't like the Thalmor, Aldmeri Dominion I can tolerate, but honestly all of the races are pretty brutal and racist.
@@duncanlutz3698 That's not a good example.. the Thalmors are actually bad. In fact, their main goal is to gain immortality through the sacrifice of every living being in nirn.
Let's be real, if his goal was to worship talos in peace, he should have attacked the Thalmor embassy, not the high King
If his goal was to worship Talos in peace, he would have just done it. It wasn't enforced at all until he did what he did.
@@NoName-mi8jsit was enforced, they just wouldn't enforce it heavily unless a thalmor was snooping around.
Let me ask you a question, was being Jewish allowed in nazi Germany? According to you it was, after all they just had to hide that they were Jewish or the secret police take them away and kill them. Same case here, just hide it bro, but the moment it becomes known thalmor will show up to kill you.
He didn't attack the high king, he challenged him to a duel as was his right. Then high king and the empire were the ones allowing the persecution and the thalmor into skyrim. They were also a problem.
Also are you retarded? If he attacked the thalmor the imperials would have still attacked ulfric as the thalmor would have threatened war if they didnt. The empire is the current dog of the empire, beaten by a stick so hard they still obey 26 years after great war.
He Challenged Torygg Honorably
@@theeternal2734 how it happened "Ulfric storms into the Palace "Me is Ulfric i came here to beat you to death with big stick as the founding fathers intended" "i shall defend myself but no magic, magic is for pansies and elves" "agreed FUZ ROH DAH"
Thorygg slams into the wall, his head breaking upon the wall. "Now i shall tell everyone how i randomly killed this King so everyone knows i will murder every king until i am high king. Then i shall weaken the empire. That will show those stupid Thalmor bitches"
Not to mention Ulfric's strategy to take Whiterun from Jarl Balgruf is to hurl firebombs over the walls to ensure maximum collateral damage and civilian casualties.. I'm sure that will go over well with some of the most influential and powerful families in Skyrim, or the Companion's..
Dude, the mage doesn’t portray Companions as honorable warriors, but rather as thugs for hire. A lot of our quests with them are generally “person A payed us to beat up person B”.
@@mc.builder8267 They gotta make coin somehow.
@@mc.builder8267 exactly
@@mc.builder8267 Thugs for hire,but still pretty well trained thugs who won´t accept well when someone burn down their home.
the guy that says in Whiterun, "there's a nip in the air." actually dies because his house was hit, so you don't hear his dialogue after.
Is it bad that I’m more invested in the politics of Skyrim than real life?
Yes, part of the problem surely.
Nope......
Yes, because Skyrim’s politics and lore is extremely shallow and riddled with plot holes.
@@uncleclem7381 sad fact is, real life U.S. politics are 10x worse!
No Skyrim politics are interesting because of magic, deadra, invasions, dragons, and if an idiot like unfriendly were elected he wouldn’t cause harm to you and your country
Ulfric: *Can barely stalemate locally recruited farmboys and gets captured by a general who's only been there for 3 months*
Also Ulfric: "When we're done rooting out Imperial influence here at home, then we will take our war to the Aldmeri Dominion"
lol
RadTheLad a imperial legion who was beaten back and lost a lot of their forces because of elves and then were forced into a war because some idiots short sighted
"The entire Empire only managed to fight the Aldmeri to a stalemate, but a single province will totally wipe the floor with those guys, especially when we just had a bloody, destructive civil war."
Ulfric is just a complete idiot.
@RadTheLad Nobody can do anything on their own. Unless the Dragonborn does anything, they're all just sitting on their lazy asses. I would have loved some game mechanic that lets at least some minor forts and villages change hands once in a while without the player doing anything. Just to show that there's an actual war going on. And if we want to get super fancy, maybe even damage a few houses, let a few mass graves appear, drive prices up a bit, fill the streets with homeless, etc. You know... stuff that would make it look more like an actual war. And maybe make me care more for the suffering of the common people of Skyrim.
@RadTheLad You are aware that the Legion in Skyrim isn't anything like a proper Imperial legion, right? Its troops are largely militia, armored like scouts and skirmishers. Only very few actual Legion troopers make up their ranks.
After many years of playing, I always choose the Empire. You can't trust Ulfric, but meeting the Emperor during the dark brotherhood, I found that I really liked him. He he was calm in the face of death and even pulled off one last political maneuver to defend the Empire by having you kill the guy who hired you. I don't even like taking the dark brotherhood questline because of him. He's my favorite npc.
The only character I ever regret killing in the dark brotherhood quest line is the orc bard since he’s such a cool dude. He also helps you kill the vampires in the cave during the burnt down house mission.
@@hyperboi4077 he just stood outside of the cave all scared for me lol
@@hyperboi4077 He turns around scared in that mission (Original, SE & AE) unless u have mod that changes that. A Nord joins you in the cave but doesn't go past the frost spiders.
If you kill Astrid after she kidnaps you you'll start a secret quest called destroying the dark brotherhood
@@Random_guy56755 I’m today years old when I found that out
Nordic: "SKYRIM BELONGS TO THE NORDS!"
Snow Elf: "WTF ARE YOU SAYING?"
Ulfric argonians are banned from my city
2 seconds later so argonian dragon born there’s a house for sale in my city
In his head he's probably thinking "They're the Dragonborn, they're basically a Nord on the inside, they're not REALLY an argonian..."
Eclipse 4598 yes the part I also noticed when joining the stormcloaks the next imperial I see is dead here comes the dragonborn imperial.
@@squeezerD It's just the game. Bethesda wants the player to have access to ALL content and not be restricted. Imagine playing as a Khajiit and can't enter cities, yes, what a great experience!
@@AegixDrakan That makes no sense at all LMAO
They also don’t seem to mind if the dragon born is a high elf. The race of there greatest enemy and they hardly care.
Ulfric using the voice in combat is like bringing a gun to a street fight
Yes
To quote Jayne from Firefly "I'll kill a man in a fair fight, or if I think he's gonna start a fair fight."
@@ViperPilotSleepy what?
Dragon born be like: 👁️👄👁️
Whats funnier was Ulfric was already the better fighter and they both knew it, the emperor knew that in a fair fight he was going to lose, Ulfric using the voice is like Mister Universe shooting a skin and bones IT guy because he thought he might gets scratched by him during the fight.
The only time I've ever joined the Stormcloaks was when I played as a high elf RP'ing as a spy for the Thalmor to continue instigating chaos in Skyrim.
If you were playing as a Thalmor loyalist then you shouldn’t get involved in the war at all and just let it drag out lol
@@pearsemolloy9656 I mean the thalmore would definitely prefer the stormcloaks to win
@@aarontribula6480 ideally they want neither side to win. The Thalmor dossier on Ulfric says that a stormcloak victory should also be avoided. By helping either side win you are technically thwarting the Thalmor’s plans. Sure if one side is to win it’s better that it be the stormcloaks but that is still not the ideal scenario for them they don’t want the civil war to end at all.
I played as a high elf and first thing I did - joining mages. And this fucking thalmor tried to assassinate me. So I've joined the imperials later just to pay them back, so the empire has more chances to strike back thalmor.
I like it
Honestly, the thing which made me realise that Ulfric was just a bit power hungry, but also incompetent, was how in my stormcloak play through, they started talking about invading Summerset. Y’know, the homeland of the people that have one of, if not the best, navies in Tamriel and fought the Empire to a stalemate as the invading army, meaning they didn’t have the home advantage. Ulfric needed a Dragonborn to win against a small portion of the legion, how in the hell did he think invading Summerset was ever an option? Defending against an invasion from Summerset might be possible, attacking them would be suicide
Ulfric specifically says “when the time is right.” Please pay attention to context.
Best navies? The Dominions navies can barely fend off hammerfell pirates and maomer pirates….
Defending against a dominion invasion isnt just possible, it is impossible for the dominion to invade Skyrim. Skyrim has never been successfully invaded by any nation of Tamriel.
@@thebk247 I did a big response but I'll make it simple and shorter
He said he'd take the fight to the dominion once they rooted out imperial influence in Skyrim. I don't remember him saying when the time is right. Can you give me the full quote? I might have missed that one. The first though implies he'll attack the moment the empire can't retake skyrim
Pirates and Navies are very different. Saying that is like saying the imperial legion isn't one of the best armies because a bandit tribe attacked a random village and got away. It's very different from an outright battle between naval powers. Also, the Maormer have been trying to conquer Summerset for thousands of years. Most of that has been raiding, not actual warfare, but the times they have tried have ended the same way, with the Altmer still in power. Considering how the Maormer are entirely based around their naval capabilities, as the name implies, I would say that is proof the Altmer are a powerful naval force. Skyrim meanwhile doesn't even seem to have a navy, or at least not a big one. The only naval power that might rival the Altmer are the Redguards, and we don't truly know that since I can't name a specific battle where the two have clashed.
Skyrim has never faced a force like the dominion, since it joined the second and third empires willingly. They were conquered by the akaviri as well, so we know a far foreign power can do it. But ignoring that, Ulfric admits he can't fight the full power of the empire. Let's say the empire and the dominion are equals in strength, unlikely since Hammerfell left and the skyrim civil war has weakened them. That would mean that the dominion is definitely strong enough to take skyrim. Easily? No. Possible however? Certainly.
Summerset meanwhile took Tiber Septim with the Elder Scrolls equivalent of a weapon of mass destruction and an army comprised of every conquered nation. It's even said that he wouldn't have tried without the Numidium. I don't see how Skyrim alone could ever hope to even land in Summerset, let alone conquer it, when Tiber Septim himself was so hesitant to do so
That would be funny to see, several ships full of dumb nords that refuse magic getting pelted by the very experienced altmer wizards.
@@thebk247 cumskin white
yep. one of the stupidest plans ive heard from him wtf
For a moment I thought the thumbnail said "Ulfric the THOT".
For the briefest of moments, I believed this video was an April fools joke.
BEGONE REBEL
Well that just turned me on
This isn’t a manslayer video😕
@@Ongawdfr lmao
yeah ok somebody has been watching a little too many horny mod vids
In my first playthrough I sided with him because I thought we were some kind of friends because we were sitting in the same carriage at the beginning.
I realized that I made a big mistake after winning the civil war with them and still being hated by the stormcloaks.
I played as an Argonian
I side with the Imperials because they looked like Romans and Romans kind of look cool then eventually found out the actual story
Bruh moment
@Agent Deception I guess both since I was like 11 years old I'm 20 now
honestly i am still on my first playthrough and i almost would have sided with him if my friend hadn’t told me how much of a dick ulfric is before i had bought the game. On an initial run it’s hard to not side with him given you’re literally being executed by the Imperials the first minute you play the game
@@datwhiteboi6256 if you find the actual story, without the extreme Ulfric bias, you can easily tell the Empire is the only side that could ever be right.
The problems Ulfric's bois complain about were caused by Ulfric throwing a tantrum in the first place. Ironic.
5:10 Ondolemar is very open with the info that the Thalmor attacking again is a fact, and the reason why they haven't allready is because they want to take advantage of Ulfric and his Rebellion as much as possible. Also something to keep in consideration here is that not even all Stormcloak supporters like Ulfric. For example if Dengeir is asked why he supports the Stormcloaks he will answer:
"You think some Emperor sitting on a gilded throne in Cyrodiil is going to know what's best for Skyrim? [...] I'm no man's fool. I know Ulfric Stormcloak's selfish and power-hungry, but he's the devil I know".
To me this means that even those who openly supports the Stormcloaks thinks that Ulfric is a selfish idiot.
Even Ralof says he doesn't really like Ulfric that much.
Leila Law-Giver also doesn't seem to think too highly of Ulfric. I once heard dialogue from her stating that while she believes in the idea of a free Skyrim, she doesn't full trust Ulfric himself.
It was always funny to me how khajiit and argonians were disliked and banned, but the Dragonborn is just entirely overlooked. An argonian Dragonborn can even join the Stormcloaks, with Ulfric having no negative opinions on the matter
Because the DB is the chosen one why would they overlook him? A DB nord, imperial, orc, anyone can be a DB.
@@TheUnseenPath You're overlooked also before you're revealed the DB
the argonians are banned from windhelm proper because the dark elves are in the city. what, you want open race war in the streets?
This is not the first nor do I suspect will it be the last time something like this has happened in an Elder Scrolls game. It's a gameplay contrivance to ensure that players that want to play Khajiit or Argonians are still able to do everything players playing other races can do. As a result the various races are effectively interchangeable because the only differences between them are the occasional very very rare lines from an NPC rather than anything that actually effects the gameplay or story in any manner like they should have it do.
Bethesda are very bad at having their various worlds react to player choices like this.
Some of the guards call you “cat” if you’re a khajiit.
No way in hell I was gonna side with this guy if it meant my man Jarl Balgruff would be dethroned. Screw that I rather have him as High King.
Balgruuf is like... The only purely respectable leader tbh. He's the only one I have basically no problems with. Just looking out for his people and trying to lead well. He's the best, man.
This comment has more wisdom then anything I have ever read before
Then you're a traitor to Skyrim and Talos.
“Highest high king of skyrim “
@@eaglebearer So be it. Skyrim won't be there when you need it, but Balgruuf WILL.
Me a true neutral: Joins the imperial legion, also assassinates the emperor. Balance :3
When you finish the Imperial questline but want to be part of the Dark Brotherhood
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@@viniciusbersot18 what about Anakinborn?
Everyone discuses the duel itself but very few people question if the duel should've even happened in the first place, according to Elisif, Torygg was not only a worshipper of Talos but he admired Ulfric, and if he had come to ask him its possible that he would've sided with him, in other words Ulfric passed a great chance at Diplomacy just because in his hotheadedness he needed to demonstrate his "power" when he could've secured an alliance with the High king himself or at least come to an agreement, knowing this is part of why I almost all the time choose empire
Torygg should have spoken out about his stance, but he didn't, which made him a coward. Torygg got what he deserved.
He's so damn arrogant and hotheaded while Elisif seems compassionate and empathetic.
Because many saw the high king as a naiive fool who was more interested in entertaining his queen that running his country.
Had he just joined ulfric then those bitter towards the high king would also be bitter towards ulfric, it would be just politicians passing power.
Killing the high king wasn't about the throne, it's about sending a message.
@@hellraiser338yeah but you can tell she’s way in over her head. She’s a weak leader and imperial puppet. Something members of her own court point out and take advantage of.
Don't trust vampires my dude.
Ulfric claims that his cause is for the free worship of Talos yet attacked Whiterun, the only city with a free worship of Talos. What's worse is that he appointed Vignar Grey-Mane as a Jarl, the same guy that Vilkas joked for going senile.
But Balgruuf supports the Empire, and if you side with them as well, then after defending Whiterun, Heimskr will be put in jail.
@@EasternRomanAficionadoMost of Skyrim players kill him, so yeah that Heimskr argument is irrelevant
@@arandomcivilian2988I love how your defense for wrongful imprisonments is unjustified murder.
First of all, not only city with free worship. Talos is worshipped in all stormcloak lands. Secondly whiterun bans talos worship they just don't enforce it letting the thalmor, and imperials enforce it. Just because a guy praised talos in whiteout doesn't make it legal, what he is doing is illegal in whiterun as its part of empire.
@@EasternRomanAficionadoactually, Heimskr is forced to live in a tent because his house is destroyed in the battle.
i wish there was a "Yes Man" option in skyrim where you didn't have to support the Stormcloaks or the Empire.
Become the High king option. yeah i would really like that to.
@@ashwolf2006 Bro the throne was vacant and with our actions (Assuming they were righteous) we have more than enough earned the right to govern skyrim!
@@Dogmaguy74 also have partysnaxx flick ulfric's whiny ass off the top of the throat of the world along with the Delphin the Bitch.
put the dragon back on the imperial flag :D
@@Dogmaguy74 theyres a high king mod
He's only doing this for the empire's damn tasty nachos.
You know how hard to get that in skyrim? Legions got decimated because of it.
They are pretty damn tasty
Cheesy spicy
But with little spices
Hahahahaha
I wish there was a mod that, after the civil war, had visible changes and events for the winning side. Like the Elisif becoming high queen and the moot being called and she is elected. Following her becoming high queen after the moot she wears the jagged crown and has much nicer attire and she gets that imperial legion parade she wanted which there would be a quest that the dragonborn helps prepare it. With an imperial victory there is a massive festival in solitude with fanfares and all kinds of stuff. Dragonborn given some fancy title for supporting the victory in the civil war. Same thing for the stormcloaks, ulfric gets the moot and they elect him as high king and he gets new drip and wears the jagged crown. Festival in windhelm. It is honestly something that should have been in the game anyway. If I ever learn how to mod, Ill make it myself.
Sounds awesome! You should totally do this!
@@frankshcleuterbomb2538 I am pretty much planning to do this. I just need a computer powerful enough to mod, let alone run Skyrim. Nonetheless it is on the long term to do list. If I ever manage to pull it off it will probably be on nexus mods.
This does sound pretty dope. Have you started working on it yet?
Its even more frustrating when you think about how the banning of Talos wasn't even enforced until the civil war. The empire basically let people continue with people praying they just didn't want it to be super public so they can fend off the war with the Thalmor for longer. By having Ulfric win the civil war they basically doomed all of Skyrim just so they could openly pray a few years earlier.
To be fair the Thalmor were already hunting people down, torturing and killing them for suspected Talos worship, so.....
@@jimbeam8338 Thalmor wasn't even allowed inside the Empire, or Skyrim for that matter, up until the rebellion. Elewen's dossiers highlighted how beneficial Ulfric's rebellion was to the Thalmor as it gave them perfect reasoning to send insquisitors into Skyrim. Basically all the fk up things that Ulfric rebelled the Empire for was all caused by him and his rebellion.
If they actually win the dragonborn is on their side, and end game dragon born also has an army of dragons. I'm farily sure Skyrim would do just fine.
@@freziaplanet4198
PARTHURNAAX has an army of dragons, not the dragonborn. Parthurnaax wouldn't help any side.
There is only one dragonborn.
@@freziaplanet4198not the army. Maybe just 2 dragon atleast. I'm sure paartunax doesn't want to join any mortal war. Odaviing and duhrenviir maybe want to help.
*Titus Mede ll dies*
*Dragonborne becomes the Emperor of Mankind*
What if I become the emperor of Tamriel?
Well Falk Firebeard says that a resurected Potema would technically have rights to the throne you know bieng dragonborn and a septim.. if there willing to give the rights of the throne to a zombie queen i wouldnt knock your chances
@@Searly255 it was a reference to 40k
This legitimately should happen.
The dragonborn takes power, reinstates the blades as a secret circle of bodyguards (keeping the Penitus Oculatus as a front and outer circle of bodyguards) and builds up the Empire's might in a non-suspicious manner.
Then, with the power of Thu'um at his side, he wages war against the Thalmor and brings peace to the realm.
Of course, this is all wishful thinking, but it works for me.
This ain't warhammer
Todd Howard: You have to make SOMEONE high king of Skyrim. Me: *downloads "Become High King of Skyrim" mod* Todd:......wait, that's illegal.
Halt! You've violated the Creation Club!
I used that mod ot before but it also gliched the end of the game whare you fight alduin for me
“It just works!”
Todd: “Understandable, have a nice day.”
Do I smell another revolution ?
I'd like a mod where a good Jarl becomes High King. Like Balgruuf!
I regretted helping him the moment i realised that he made me go on a quest to get a stupid crown, only for him to never wear it
Yea that's a flaw of the game. I'm as diehard Stormcloak as they come and even I'm like "C'mon bro, wear the damn crown, you alone have the right to."
You can give the crown to tullius
Like RyanBlazeheart said, you can give the Crown to Tullius, and switching sides along with it, if you regret joining Stormcloaks.
It's for the High King to wear and the moot hasn't voted for him to be that yet. It's actually honorable he doesn't throw it on as soon as you get it to him.
No it gives him more leverage to be High King, Bethesda should have added a moot as a dlc and choosing and expanding the civil war instead of dawngaurd imo
Honestly, the biggest things that proved to me that he's the worse choice are
1) what Hadvar and his uncle say about how before Ulfric started his revolt and the Thalmor started being active in Skyrim, there was no enforcement whatsoever of the ban on Talos worship
2) he not only lets the Silver-Bloods keep running Markarth with all of their corruption (without them, the Forsworn wouldnt be the massive problem they are), but outright makes it an official family feifdom for them (whereas the Empire was actively investigating their corruption and conspiracy with the Forsworn)
3) his "if you're not with me, then you're against me" mindset that leads him to invade the neutral Whiterun and make them side with the Empire, even without the Dragonborn on his side (which given Whiterun's position, would have been strategic suicide without the LDB)
4) everything about his duel with the former high king was retarded on his part
5) he doesnt even realize that the Thalmor covertly back his rebellion
fun fact the forsworn do rightfully own markarth/the reach but bethesda decided to fuck up their writing making these tribes out to be little more than savage bandits not people pissed they were tricked out of thier own city
@@mayalewis2956 It belongs to Reachmen rightfully, yes. But not all Reachmen are Forsworn, which is a cult/rebellion movement among Reachmen. All of the "Breton" NPCs in Markarth are actually Reachmen, and most of them aren't demon-worshipping brutal savages like the Forsworn are. And the Silver-Bloods' corruption and brutal rule are what led a lot of Reachmen to join up with the Forsworn in the first place
@@BroadwayRonMexico I really wished they did something like eso with the forsworn/reachmen it was fun getting to know them as a people even if markarth still confused the hell outta me XD
I thought he is working for thalmor all along .
@@johanliebert9400 no, he's helping them alright but he doesn't realise it and it still pisses me off that we find proof and can't show him
Another Reason. The Jarls he installs are exceptionally Delusional and Emotion Driven. They don't think rationally. Eg Laila and Skald
Dont forget Thongvor, you cant have a conversation with him without all that aggression
@RadTheLad Siddgeir might be spoilt but he isn't incompetent
Jarl Igmund is trying to do everything he can about the Forsworn but those Silver Fucks have his hands tied
Jarl Idgrod may look like that she depends on visions but is in reality far seeing. She had the intelligence to defend Falion as he proved to be Morthal's protector.
@RadTheLad The Imperial Jarls aren't really that deluded
RadTheLad it’s no use when you confront them with facts and logical military decision the only argument they have is:
Muh RaCiST NoRDs
@RadTheLad Why did you get cured of your vampirism? Being a vampire is awesome.
Here's something: when you win the Civil War for the Empire and Brunwulf becomes the Jarl, he will try to improve things for Windhelm, but confesses that he is a soldier, not a politician, and knows almost little about governing.
Also you can ask him if he will allow the Argonians into the city, he'll say that as much as he wants to, it isn't that simple. Most people of Windhelm still feel prejudiced towards outsiders, so the Argonians have to remain outside for their safety.
Wait, Brynolf doesn't become the jarl of windhelm.
@@gunnarswanson9438 isn't he living in riften?
@@amanem6857 Lol yeah exactly he's a nightingale and I think he becomes a companion too after completing the thieves guild questline
@@littlecousin5630 lol yeah I was trying to remember his name
Sorry everyone. Their names are spelled very similarly.
Ulfric the pretender uses this holy war as leverage in order to pursue the empires pretty damn tasty nachos
@Brandon Quist it was a gamerpoop video that was popular
I expect (and sincerely hope) that a renewed war with the Aldmeri Dominion will be a pivotal storyline in TES6.
We know this cold war isn't going to last forever. The Thalmor despise the Empire, and the Empire despise the Thalmor. The chance for peace is essentially nil. The war WILL reignite, and by the power vested in me by the Nine Divines, I intend to fight it.
Unlikely. They'll consider that storyline "old news" and will focus on something new. Otherwise it'll come across as "elf hate"..
@@natedaniels3655 pfft while the Thalmor are acting like literal nazis lol
@@lordironhidex That's fine.. but the REAL enemies will have to be white males somehow.. otherwise the woke mobs will pitch a fit. All 3% of them.
There's also the fact that Ulfric is too scared to make a move against the emperor when he visits Skyrim because he knows that he can't possibly win if the Empire responds seriously to his insurrection, but he still thinks he could take on the Aldmeri Dominion.
If he fights the Empire, he also fights the Aldmeri. If he fights the Aldmeri, he might get some help from turncoats
Also, Alduin prevents Ulfric from being executed to keep the war going. That's easily the most damning thing
@@SonofTiamat I am pretty sure that there are no evidences of Alduin's reasoning behind his atack and it was most probably an accident
@@DM-Oz They say in game that those slain in the war end up as victims to Alduin. It's easy to deduce that as the reason for Alduin attacking. He wanted more souls to hunt
The Dominion have no chance at invading Skyrim.
I actually was a proud Stormcloak until yesterday when I realized after years that I could have Ulfric's outfit if I joined the Legion and killed him.
Not the reasoning I wanted, but the outcome is good.
At least you have your priorities straight.
prefer tullius armour but if you have immersive armour mod it replaces ulfrics with a nice viking/jarl aesthetic armour
@@dutchpatriot17 skyrim belongs to the nords
Only if you play a male character. His outfit looks like Jarl Raven Crone’s or Bryling’s if you’re playing as a female character.
Its also good to note that, further delegitimizing the Moot, its said that Ulfric stationed Stormcloaks in every city he captured during the war. So even if the Jarls wanted to vote otherwise, Ulfric would just use his Stormcloaks to intimidate them to vote 'correctly' or have them replace them with another Jarl.
At least when the Empire wins, sure, they remove the pro-stormcloak Jarls, but they otherwise don't meddle with the Moot that would take place.
The Imperials would make sure Elisif took the throne, even if they had to do a little "persuading". The EMPIRE would absolutely play backroom politics, or even resort to more overt measures to influence the moot to crown their candidate if the need arose.
one of the things I've noticed most recently is that Ulfric seems to be a relfection of Madanach, the 'mad king' of the Forsworn.
their combat quotes are virtually the same.
"Skyrim belongs to the Nords!"
"The Reach belongs to the Forsworn!"
both the Forsworn and Stormcloaks *HATE* each other due to preexisting conflcts, like in Markarth. Yet they're virtually the same, as stated by Madanach himself:
"Some of us refused to bow. We knew the old ways would lead us back to having a kingdom of our own. That is who we are. The Forsworn. Criminals in our own lands. And we will cut a bloody hole into the Reach until we are free."
This sounds a LOT like how the Stormcloaks view the Civil War.
They refused to bow to the Imperials, pursuing the ways of ancient kings to claim their freedom. They were branded criminals in their own lands, forced to reject their own gods, and through the Civil War, Ulfric intends to cut a bloody hole into Skyrim's Imperial holds until they have their freedom, no matter the cost. Once Whiterun is taken, Ulfric shows no hesitation in taking down the entirety of Skyrim and forcing it all under his rule.
Never thought to compare the two but the way you put it makes it make so much sense
When I first played Skyrim I loved Ulfric and the Stormcloaks while hating Tulius and the Empire but over the years I've come to hate Ulfric and the Stormcloaks while still hating Tulius but liking the Empire.
I gotta get give Ulfrics voice actor credit though
When I first played Skyrim, I was ten at my friend's house. I asked him on the way to Helgen which side was the good guys. He said the stormcloacks. Now he sees the error in his ways, and is a staunch empire supporter.
@@justelliot4870 You are just as bad then.
Be loyal to neither a thalmor puppet nor a thalmor pawn
Fuck the Medes. And ulfric.
@@CoffeeSuccubus oh I agree. I hate the Medes. They are illegitimate twats, I do the dark brotherhood, just so I can kill them, over and over again. But who else is there to take the throne? There are no more Dragonborn emperors. The most legitimate emperor would be the player as an imperial.
We were all Stormcloaks at first, but everyone grows to side with the Empire.
Why do you hate Tullius? the only reason I can think of is that he doesn't understand Skyrim's traditions, I don't know why else you wouldn't like him, it's not really his fault that he doesn't understand them, he lived in Cyrodiil all his life.
"The empire didn't go around arresting Talos worshippers until Ulfric started the revolution."
~That guy from Riften who married the emperor's sister
This shows that Talos worship wasn't even that brought down. Sure, shrines may have been shut down, and public worship may have been a slap on the wrist, but worshipping Talos was fine. It wasn't until the Stormcloaks got violent that the Empire start arresting anyone for the smallest transgression
Dylan K sure, maybe people got abducted by the thalmor, and sure, they camped in front of his shrines to kill the worshippers. But ulfric is the real bad one for not loving elven cock as much as the emperials
@@floydlechner2445 theres a thalmor dossier you find in the thalmor embassy. too cucked lmao
Human Man yeah which says that the elves think the civil war will benefit them cuz humans die. But little did they know about aryan rage, they saw it when they try taking hammerfell and failed. 500 nords pushed the falmer out of skyrim, the thousand of nords who live there will have no problem with elves. The effect the civil war had is that now the nords are more wartrained and angry. They will face the same faith as the ayleids
Good point. Not good enough, yeah after Ulfric's uprising the Thalmor forced the empire to be more strict against Talos worshipers. Except you forget the fact that the White-Gold concordat pretty much lets the Thalmor run around doing anything they want. Including capturing and torturing Talos worshipers.
Deathsdayoff person yes cuz the nords will be fight trained.
If the Stormcloaks win then Galmar Stonefist can be asked about next steps, and he says that the plan is to rebuild a little before then getting into whatever ships they have with whatever army they have and then sailing for presumably several months around the continent to attack the Summerset isles directly. He plans to lay siege to "their capital" from a beach invasion by a couple dozen Stormcloaks in fur armor and wielding steel weapons. A plan with about a -5% chance of success.
That's the inaccurate, negative focused, Legion distortion of what Galmar says, but whatever.
@@matthewskinner6626 Okay, minus the hyperbole from my original comment, Galmar says that after some rebuilding, they plan to take the fight to the summerset isle's.
When you take into account that they will need to circumnavigate a very hostile Empire on their southern border they will need to sail half way around the world and establish a beach head on a island full of battle mages, while still leaving behind enough troops at home to deal with threats of Imperial invasion, as well as rebellion from within from bitter Imperial sympathizers. They could try to find and kill all of the citizens who don't support the Stormcloaks but that will only destabilize the region further.
It would be foolish to mount an offensive when there will be plenty of violently angry people inside Skyrim and the rest of Tamriel ready to overthrow the Stormcloaks as soon as their army departs
Well besides the fact that I have seen no where that Galmar states that the plan is to going directly to Summerset Isle, what you're saying now isn't wrong, but the thing is that if the Stormcloaks win, the only things guaranteed to happen, is that Ulfric becomes High King, Talos worship is restored, the Thalmor presence in Skyrim is destroyed and Skyrim will be training new armies to eventually fight the Dominion.
All the stuff about killing those who don't support the Stormcloaks and rebellion from Imperial sympathizers is not assured. There is no timeline for how long all this takes. It's also possible that when Skyrim fights the Dominion, the Empire or Hammerfell might join in and launch concurrent wars with the Dominion too. Maybe a Skyrim free from the Empire's baggage could become strong enough to cripple or even defeat the Thalmor in a few years. Who knows?
@@matthewskinner6626 ruclips.net/video/C8kYhYu1UU4/видео.html at 8:08 in this video you can hear Galmar talk about future plans. While it is certainly does not offer a timeline, he has very ambitious plans regarding taking the fight to the elves while still keeping people loyal in all of the holds.
Comparing this to the Imperial supporters plans to strike back I can't help but feel like the Stormcloaks have three options, spread their forces to thin, do door to door searches finding and rooting out the Imperial sympathizers and executing them, or not take the fight to the elves anytime soon, and instead weather the Imperial reinforcements while trying to repair the damage of the war, and with it their reputation with the public.
The third option is obviously the best but Ulfric didn't start the war with good judgement and I doubt he will have good judgement now. Galmar is even more hot headed and he has been delegated so many important responsibilities.
@@matthewskinner6626 Lol, nice try. That is exactly what Galmar said. The legion doesn't focus on it, because it came from Galmar directly.
One thing you didn't mention that I think would be important to consider is that if Ulfric wins the civil war, and allows Talos worship to come back to Skyrim, not only would he not have the protection of the Empire, but Skyrim would become the first target for the Aldmeri Dominion. They would've seen the Empire try to uphold the White Gold Concordant, and that Ulfric did everything in his power to go against it, making him, as well as Skyrim, a target.
Conversely you could argue that the Dominion would suffer a Vietnam War situation and go through a lot of attrition trying to conquer Skyrim. The Dominion wouldn't lose that war (at least not on the battlefield) but they would suffer great losses that would give the Empire the advantage.
@@rustledentity5511 Unlikely. The Dominion would roll in and crush Skyrim without much thought. Unlike the United States with Vietnam the Thalmor have nothing they want from Skyrim other than to subjegate it, and to do that they would anything up to completely decimating Skyrim down to the last man, woman, and child if need be.
The reason that the United States lost the Vietnam War was because their strategic goals were not met. If what the United States wanted was to just flat out invade and conquer Vietnam they could've done so with ease. The whole reason there were boots on the ground at all was because wanted something out of Vietnam other than just a smoking crater.
The Thalmor would be perfectly fine with turning Skyrim into the Elder Scrolls equivalent of a smoking crater if that's what it took, and they wouldn't wait long to decide to do so.
They'd probably try to take out the Empire first since it would still be the greatest threat. If they attacked Skyrim first, the Empire might attack them while they're distracted.
@@immortalfrieza any attempted invasion of Skyrim is a strategic disaster waiting to happen. there is no land route, and the sea routes pass directly astride both hostile Hammerfell and imperial High Rock.
it would be a logistical nightmare to get any force of significant size and supplies to skyrim, a nightmare to keep them supplied, and a nightmare to take ground in the province.
any large commitment of forces would also leave the dominion vulnerable to Hammerfell or Imperial counter attacks in the south. any hostility there would also completely isolate the forces in skyrim without supply, making them easy targets for the nords.
no matter what happens, any attempted invasion of Skyrim with any hope of success would be the *Last* part of the thalmor's campaign, not the first. they would need to claim land routes through hammerfell or Cyrodill to ensure even semi-stable supply lines, and then attack and supply through the restrictive mountain passes.
a naval invasion is the best option, but only from captured ports in High Rock.
in effect, in order to invade Skyrim the Empire would need to have been already defeated.
@@MFenix206
That's not even mentioning the only other sea based route goes past Morrowind and Black Marsh. Two nations that as far as I know are currently in a very tenuous ceasefire with each other. And have very good reasons to make assumptions should the Dominion send ships that direction. Which would result in them getting involved in the two nations war.
He and his steward treats you second class Nord even if youre a Nord! Calls you Outsider etc. Imperials calls you Citizen! Kinsman!
Selin Sevgi Terzi you've clearly never played Morrowind.
@@anprabh1 That is because Skyrim players don't understand the lore. Even though skyrim was my first elder scrolls game I then went on to play oblivion because of how I kept looking into the elder scrolls series lore. But, other players don't want to look at the scenarios because they don't want to understand a future with an elder scrolls historical event even if Bethesda makes it canon.
Usnis the Immortal then explain
Yeah, I just joined the Empire cos they let me date cute guys. XD
Nords are... Okay. But I'll not stand idly by as they slag off Derkeethus! Nobody insults that adorable scalie bastard!
Yeah but if I say praise Thalos they’ll throw me in the fucking dungeon
Did you leave the Thalmor intelligence found in the chest on Ulric out of the video on purpose? The dragon born can find it when on the idiotic mission for the Blades. Apparently Ulfric was allowed to escape Tamriel by the elves to sow unrest as an unknowing dupe, so.... more idiocy?
Ulfric is playing right into the hands of the thalmor, even if he doesn't know it. If he is, like many suspect, a thalmor sleeper agent, he is actually very, very smart.
I wouldn't say an unknowing dupe - he established direct and cooperative contact with the Thalmor after the Great War, and proved his worth as an asset to them. He was a bit stupid by organizing the Markarth Incident though, as the Thalmor demanded he be arrested. That's why he became uncooperative to them.
Yeah. I mean, how terrible do you have to be at your job when your enemies consider you an unwitting assert on their behalf?
i don't believe this could be used against Ulfric he didn't know he was allowed to escape.
Nick Morgan isn't the point of a sleeper agent being that said sleeper agent does not know anything about it?
Ulfric: I fight for the wives and children of my dead brothers!
Also Ulfric: *endangers the wives and children of his dead brothers*
Ulfric: I fight for my people!
Also Ulfric: *neglects his people bc he can't multitask or even properly delegate*
The Empire: We were preparing for a second war with the Aldmeri Dominion, no, really! And you ruined it!
Also the Empire: *Signs a peace treaty crippling their power further and embedding Thalmor agents all throughout, making a second war with the Aldmeri Dominion impossible.*
The Empire: We weren't really outlawing Talos worship! We only had to when Ulfric forced us by bringing attention to it!
Also the Empire: *Allows Thalmor to root out Talos worshippers, kidnap, torture and murder them*
@@scotch1148 They were forced to do it because of the rebellion and if the nords win, thalmor win. They want Skyrim weaker. It's a tough call.
@@TheUnseenPath Skyrim wouldn't end up weaker, the Thalmor want the civil war to draw imperial resources, but they don't want it to end, especially not in a Stormcloak victory.
An imperial victory is still bad for the people of Skyrim though. Skyrim remains as it is, with relatively few warriors as they've all been conscripted into the Empire, if the Imperial capital falls, and the war against the Aldmeri Dominion ends in a Thalmor victory, they now have access to a naturally impenetrable region such as Skyrim with little opposition.
If the Stormcloaks win, the Stormcloaks now have an easily defendable region, with few entrances, harsh terrain in favour of the people of Skyrim, and not to mention that for the Thalmor to invade they'd need to go through one of their enemies' regions to reach it.
Skyrim would probably help somewhat if their neighbours were being invaded by the Aldmeri Dominion, since they obviously don't want them to succeed. The only scenario in which they might not is if the imperials are attacked, but even then, I think it's possible that Skyrim might still help and intervene, since an imperial loss may doom everyone eventually.
@@scotch1148 Except that a Stormcloak victory practically assures the rampant slaughter of peoples not of Nord blood with Skyrim's borders, crippling Skyrim's infrastructure.
@@ryanchase9332 stormcloaks arent nazis my man
I join the stormcloacks in my first play through
1. Because Ralof was charismatic
2. The empire tried to execute me
Note skyrim is my first elder scroll game so i didn't know the lore Elves vs Humans
Now i side with the empire
I blame Todd for #2 why some people hate the empire just because they tried to execute you but gotta realize that for whatever reason Dragonborn crossed the boarder illegally and therefore was going to be executed
Are you a soldier, I want to be a soldier. But my pa said I don't have a belly to be a soldier.
He was right, I'm a fucking pretty princess.
Skyrim is for the Nords!!!
@@aceshotz5051 right, trying to leave the country and getting executed for it is so fair.
What happened at Helgen, with the incompetent Imperial sending you to be executed was just a microcosmus of how bad the things are for the Empire.
Gato Preto well it’s more of results of the war. Look at the Cold War for example when Eastern Germans tried to cross the boarder they would get immediately shot for crossing the boarder. War has unfortunate consequences does that make the Empire good people? No but they aren’t the Thalmor. The Stormcloaks aren’t saints either you know
You should do why the Thalmor are idiot's
I agree would love to see this
@GreenTea a plot twist no one saw coming
The Thalmor are all straight
They started a war that forced Skyrim and the Empire to strengthen their armies and train better soldiers.
@GreenTea Genius? Yes. Good guys? No, as they're basically seeking to end the world
I don't get how they won... They're an army of squishy wizards who have a talent for grossly underestimating their enemies.
For me, the key point is the Thalmor Dossier on Ulfric. They manipulated him into his attempt at Skyrim Independence - everything from telling him the Empire lost because of him to prompting the Markath Incident. Ulfric played into their hands (although the Dossier does say the Markath Incident complicated things), so Ulfric isn't only an idiot, but he's an unwitting pawn of the Thalmor.
The White Gold Concordant specifically banning Talos is a second thread to this plot. While Talos was worshipped across the Empire, it was especially strong in Skyrim so the prohibition was aimed at them and could be used to get more people involved in the Civil War.
Basically, the Thalmor want an independent Skyrim because it will weaken the Empire for Great War Round 2. That is long-term planning for you. When the War kicks off again, the Thalmor want the Empire's Nord forces to either be weakened or, if possible, Skyrim to sit it out completely and are using Ulfric and the Concordant to get it.
Personally, I usually have the Empire win the Civil War unless I'm playing a Thalmor where I let Ulfric have it for the above roleplay reasons. (Still killing the Emperor though, so during the Civil War yelling "for the Empire" after killing him and his inner council Advisor/traitor, still brings a wry smile.)
Well, the Thalmor dossier states that they don't want the Empire or the Stormcloaks to win the civil war. They want to keep it going for as long as possible so that their enemies keep on weakening themselves. Personally, I think that either side of the civil war should be chosen, because it will bring an end to the conflict and will focus the attention of Skyrim's people back onto their true enemies, the Thalmor.
Stormcloak or imperial victory is both bad for the thalmor, as in the event of war with thalmor stormcloaks will be the first to fight them rather they declare war on hammerfell or thr empire. Stormcloaks will join them as allies. The thalmor don't want victory, they want blood. Every soldier slain, every child starved, every crop, house, etc destroyed is one less resource for humanity to fight the thalmor.
When break into the thalmor embassy you can find a dossier on ulfric and it fully explains how he was captured by the thalmar during the war of the empire and he ratted out a bunch of people in order for his freedom
He broke under torture and was allowed to escape and all the information that the Thalmor got out of him was useless because the city had already fallen.
That's different than 'ratting people out for his freedom'. Much different.
@@smartalex22 Stormcloak sympathizer
@@ouchiegiverjr imperial lapdog
@@zachkurth855Imperium was refounded by a Nord Dragonborn -> Nordic dinasty rules Imperium.
Ulfric takes weapons and money to make a rebellion from the very source od the schism. Working FOR them.
To be even able to contest his claims. And still loses. Thalmor agents repeatedly busting him.
And you have the audacity to bark?
Claim Imperium is weak?
Your venerated leader is a lapdog of Thalmor.
@@smartalex22 That torture is what makes me not trust him. Prolonged torture tends to mess up the head more than a little bit.
I always felt that Bethesda kinda wanted you to join with the Stormcloaks, even though that would lead to making Skyrim weak. Think about it
- in the beginning of the Game you are captured by imperials.
- at the chopping block the legate doesn’t care that your not a rebel and puts you to the chopping block.
( even though we know that in Skyrim the death penalty is usually reserved for rebels or unholy creations, as shown by guards simply trying to apprehend you even with a bounty exceeding 1000 gold)
- you are more likely to feel a kinship with ralof as he is the first character you meet in game
- not knowing anything about any other elder scroll games a new player will simply see the empire outlawing freedom of religion. Put a sense of bigotry towards the empire
Over all it seems that the game is kinda pushing you towards the Stormcloaks
Because the empire are the bad guys. The empire have a torture chamber, the Stormcloaks don't. That Legate was working directly under general Tulius, he's ok with killing innocent people without trial
Maybe it's trying to teach players to actually think about their choices and take everything into account rather than taking stuff at face value..or maybe Bethesda are just lazy lmao
That is exactly my experience. Skyrim was my first introduction to the elder scrolls
No, they want you to read between the lines and not take things at face value.
I agree with you. When the game first released, i remember getting a lot of shit from everyone else because i sided with the empire. The main reason most folks join the rebellion is heavily influenced by being captured and quick to kill. You're literally headed towards your death and one of your captured companions is Ulric himself.
When you add in the fact the game is massive with hundreds of other stories and missions, fully understanding the implications of the civil war gets lost when that story line is easily forgotten with hundreds of hours of gameplay.
I remember feeling very frustrated because i recognized the dominions threat and felt like i should have been able to convince both sides into a peace treaty but by doing so, the game forced me into joining the Empire. I leaned that way anyways but my goal was to unite them overall.
It felt like my attempts to remain neutral were wasted. As an opportunist myself, i also figured having both sides friendly would be financially beneficial for my character as well as safer traveling while i'm out exploring.
Bethesda did a better job with decision making in FO4. Especially with the far harbor dlc. It actually allowed you to keep the peace.
Perhaps Ulfric was truly intended to be a god damn idiot. A representation of how no matter how much you try, you can't always predict the actions or influence the person who can't see past their own nose. No matter what, that civil war couldn't be prevented.
What really got me was the peace meeting.
Alright so everybody is good to ceasefire right?
General Tilluis: ya sounds good
Grey beards then its setl....
Ulfric: I want Markarth
Like hold up there buddy I'm trying to save the world here. At that moment I realized he is a power hungry piece of garbage.
He also sucks at diplomacy due to him willingly giving away a hold if you tell the thalmor to fuck off from the meeting
You know if the Stormcloaks hold Whiterun and you do the negotiations, then General Tullius will start by demanding Riften.
@@Meow_Zedong_1949 yeah but in neutral path (canon path) it is ulfric who demands markarth in the first place.
It's fair, he has to deal with the Forsworn.
I wish that did happen lol, imagine that shit!
@@Meow_Zedong_1949 in my play through i was neutral doing the main quest, Ulfric started the peace treaty meeting by demanding Markarth, traded it for riften..Ulfric unpleased stands up and threatens to leave, convinced to join table again, Ulfric demands another settlement for Riften ( imperials handing over 2 for one) i disagree Ulfric gets up and threatens to leave the peace meeting again...at this moment i saw the "entitled only out for himself and not the good of skyrim brat this guy is" that all of the freethinking npc's had warn me about. he's the bad guy with the high charisma level, just likes to talk loud and figures if he does it long enough the dumb will nod and agree" this really erked me especially since general telluis would only attend the meeting if ulfric took it seriously as he should (being the fate of the world) Ulfric agreed to go...only to get a chance to use the grey beards council to advance his own position..... that right there set an alarm off in my head with a npc voice " ulfric storm cloak is only out for Ulfric Stormcloak"
admittedly Ulfric probably was enitially pissed off cuz i let "that thalmor bitch sit at the peace treaty" but i only did so cuz i thought having the true enemy there might make the meeting more interesting and also....you don't get to decide who is in and not in on a peace treaty assembled at the sacred site of the Greybeards. especially if that person has a dyplomatic relationship with the party your trying to make peace with..... i killed ulfric nuff said, not to save skyrim from the thalmor (hes a secret agent) but to save Skyrim from the NORD's...just look what they did the the Falmer
to the falmer** EDIT
Great video but you missed a point about the taboo of Ulfric Killing Toryyg with a shout. The voice is not meant to be used to gain power. That is why the ancient nords are cursed with undeath and you find draugr in the catacombs. It is divine punishment for misusing the voice. That's why the way of the voice became a thing. Ulfric is not dragonborn, who are free from such restrictions. His blatant use of the voice in battles for control would bring divine punishment on all of Skyrim and the Nords he supposedly wants to protect.
Yes, the Dragonborn is pretty much considered a dragon, and it is known that dragons must seek out power as it’s in their nature. But Ulfric is just a greedy thug of a Nord with no honor.
I've sided with Ulfric twice out of three playthroughs, and on my third one as I was talking out of the wartorn Solitude, I confronted Elisif, and that's when I found out that Torryg worshipped Talos, despite what Ulfric proclaimed.
I don't think he ever said torgyy didn't worship talos. Heck ulfric didn't hate him, just thought he was weak like the empire for allowing the oppression of his people and their belief in talos. If torgyy openly came out worshipping talos he be killed in the empire to uphold their treaty.
I really wish there was a option to bring the imperials and stormcloaks together against the thalmor
It’s a civil war, the Empire isn’t going to settle for anything less but total defeat against the Stormcloaks
@@N3xtStopHell it's also the other way around
I mean technically their is that greybeard peace option, but I guess that’s more for the dragon situation then the thalmor situation.
@@N3xtStopHell The Empire sees it for what it really is. A distraction. Ulfric on the other hand, sees this as an afront that must be burned down and ashes strewn in the least respectful way possible.
I always wanted to get through Ulfuck's thick skull to help or recruit the Dunmer, since most of them are house Hlaalu Dunmer who were betrayed by the Empire as well.
I see Ulfric as a traumatised survivor. His torture at the hands of the Thalmor and the lie that his breaking helped contribute to the fall of the Imperial City would have given him insane guilt.
I'm pretty sure that Ulfric secretly blames himself for the White-Gold Concordate and the Outlaw of Talos Worship.
His belief that the Empire is weak? How else did the information he gave lead to the fall of the Greatest City in the Greatest Empire? Why didn't the Empire save him while he was being tortured?
Not justifying his actions, I'm just theorizing his motives.
This is a really interesting perspective
@@joe_youtube
Thank you both.
@Kenzie Waltz
Not at all, I'm chill.
Given that the Thalmor Dossier was an internal document that strictly was eyes only, I'm of the opinion it was all true.
He killed the High King. He doesn’t deserve mercy. He made a widow who literally did nothing to him.
@@forreal2624
I didn't make any such suggestion. I was only guessing how his head worked.
Ulfric: Oh look there's the people with the new supplies.
The people, dressed in Thalmor clothes: Hello im a nord supporting organization here's ur supplies you heret-I mean, trai-oh, I truly mean, you totally reasonable person who worships a totally real god! Hope u kill the General and test the Empire!
Ulfric: yes true nords
Also in ESO, the Thane of Windhelm has the last name "Stormcloak".
Cus they're descendants of ysgramor
"Some people are born stupid. Like me, for instance." - Literally Nords.
I walked around windhelm and asked myself "Is this really a city ruled by a hero?"
And the defense is always "well the dunmer were douchebags in Morrowind."
Always amuses me because the only response I ever have to that is "so we agree Ulfric is just as bad as the dunmer in Morrowind were?"
@@randomfox12245 shut up n'wah
@@randomfox12245
Exactly, two wrongs don't make a right.
Besides, Dunmer may have long lives, but is there any evidence to say that those living in the Gray Quarter were responsible for the filth and stains of their culture and society? Why should an individual be punished for their society's crimes?
@@warrioroflight6872 I mean, the Nord's embrace anyone who embraces their culture and works hard to intigrate.
That's why an Altmer is able to run a lucrative trading stand alongside Nord shop keepers while the Dunmer cope and seethe in the gray quarter. An ALTMER. You know, the primary population of the Dominion?
Heck, the guards even point you toward shops in the gray quarter!
@@warrioroflight6872 My favorite is that the same people who say "well the dunmer were racist slavers back in Morrowind" are GUARANTEED people that also didn't kill Partysnax even though he also was a bad person from a bad society in the past
"I fight so that all the fighting already done, hasn't been for nothing". That's a sunk cost fallacy
This is actually the best point against him I've seen yet.
The real reason that he's a moron is because of his lack of critical thinking and rational reasoning, not because of his character flaws.
@@maxkernfeld7928 And that's exactly the biggest flaw of humankind. In our heads and bodies we (usually) only have one mind, consciousness and spirit. In essence, we're biased towards ourself and our own feelings. We'd never stand a chance against an alien hivemind or the likes thereof.
Now, I'm not trying to discredit what you're trying to say. You have a point in the fact that a lot of people are sitting here saying all kinds of smart things without thinking about the reality of it all and how it would be like to actually be there. I would probably feel the same way. It's just human nature. It's only natural.
But just because it's human doesn't mean it's the smartest decision. Being able to put your own feelings aside to take on a logic-based decision-making and not let emotions cloud your judgement would be the best. This is where Ulfric fails. He might be smart, he might be intelligent. But none of that matters if his emotions and human nature ends up making his decisions instead.
Gekko that’s the flaw of all arguments.
„Just because it’s emotional driven it is somehow *always* wrong“
This is a narrow minded thinking.
We could apply this to every nation that got conquered just to keep them under the cage.
What is more people forget that these are times where the sword rules and not diplomatic decisions like today.
Even more just because you are emotional behind something doesn’t *automatically* mean that you don‘t see the bigger picture.
Like you said we are humans and (nearly) every action is emotional driven.
This would lead now to a different discussion but think about this for a moment.
P.S. stubbornes is also an emotion
@@maxkernfeld7928 I disagree about it being narrow minded, emotion I have seen does indeed cloud judgment. it can and has prevented many from seeing the bigger picture, that's why you have to put your feelings second and see what is fair and just for the moment with a cooler head
Aaron Page not the point.
Read it again...
After all these years, I’m still happy to watch these kind of videos about Skyrim … Todd Howard and the Lore writers did their job - Mundus and the Elder Scrolls Universe is living in side our heads, inside our hearts. As long we live and dream this utopian world, the series will never end and exist forever. I’m so exited to explore the next part of Tamriel and get to know more about the Lore . Love you guys!
The older I get the more sympathetic I become to the Stormcloaks. Skyrim deserves to be free and have her own rules and laws detached from an overarching empire. The misinterpreted dossier-argument and the idea that the Thalmor can only be defeated if the empire holds Skyrim are stale and simply untrue. The empire is already a mere shadow of its former self, controlling only three provinces by the time of Skyrim and clinging to them like a drowning man to a piece of driftwood. Every province should rule itself. And if all of Tamriel is incapable of fending off the Thalmor just because they aren’t controlled by an imperialistic super-government then maybe they deserve to go down.
And i disagree about Skyrim deserving to be free. Skyrim is divided between separatist and imperial loyalists. Saying that Skyrim deserves freedom is to ignore those people, who are against it, and thos is basically half os Skyrim.
@@troller8680
The loyalists have different reasons for supporting the empire. Many of which are focused on money and influence. Rikke is one of the few characters who have respectable reasons. Let Cyrodill fight its own battles and come knocking if they want the help of the free people of Skyrim. And those who don’t like the idea of an independent Skyrim are free to move to the imperial city.
@@Hawaiian_Pizza_Enjoyer considering that Empire using local forces I disagree on your statement. Again, this is a civil war, and like it or not, half of Skyrim is against your statement.
@@troller8680
Why is it noteworthy that they use local forces? They also have soldiers of ethnicities whose home-province does not belong to the empire.
The general population just want and end to the war, so mostly Skyrim is divided between the interests of its jarls and generals. There are honorable ones and weak-minded ones on both sides. I say independence and sovereignty should be every countries foundation. And that membership to and empire should not be mandatory. And the empire gets support by hiding behind defending the status quo.
@@Hawaiian_Pizza_Enjoyer fact, Legion recruits local forces, meaning its main power comes from Skyrim, which enforces the idea of Civil War. And i disagree on independence and sovereignty, because it won't last. If it is not Empire in charge, it is going to be Dominion. And Dominion is far worser.
I heard a quote that was to the effect of. “We see that the thalmor are sabotaging and influencing the empire but don’t think for a second that the empire isn’t doing just as much sabotage and influencing on the Dominion.”
Most stormcloaks seem to think the thalmor were the clear victors but if that were true they wouldn't have agreed to a treaty in the first place. The truth is both sides took a beating and both sides know this, THAT is why a treaty was formed not because the empire gave up. Ulfric would know this too if he cared to think for 5 seconds.
@@chickenking1753 But look at the treaty and who it favours, it HEAVILY favours the AD
@@skytheneko emperor was hurt during recapture of cyrodiil. They removed invaders but couldnt be sure if A.d or their allies would send army again. Which is possible because empire had left lesser power. Hammerfell was invaded during that time so they had to sign that treaty. Also aldmeri dominion lost the support of elseweyr and valenwood after that treaty.
@@chickenking1753 They lost Hammerfell, their roots by negating Talos, their main force of inteligence (Blades) and still had to pay taxes to the dominion, forcing it's people to strenghten the enemy. What did the Thalmor loose ?
I guess even the emperor didn't know that the Thalmor were not clear victors (even tough it makes no sense to make a treaty if you are "blatantly winning").
Best case scenario, the Emperor is retarded.
@@chickenking1753 This is untrue, a treaty would be much more favorable to the Dominion as that would not only show them as the victors but also put the Empire under their thumb, allowing them to control Skyrim without having to send their own resources and men there.
Can we appreciate his VA at least? That emotion!
VA did an *amazing* job of portraying his character. Kudos to him. I still hate Ulfric and his ideologies are idiotic.
Indeed. Despite how much i dislike his actions and motives, His voice actor fucking Slaps the role.
As much as I hate Ulfric, damn his VA did a good job, and even if I don't argee with him, one hell of a speech he delivered too!
He complained about the dead dying in his arms, but he bring more war to Skyrim; by his treason to the High King.
To save countless more, his citizens are dragged off the street never to be seen again by the thalmor that the empire let's in. Better a good war, than a bad peace.
Don't act like you don't believe in war either, would you say the same if Britain made peace with the nazi after France fell, after all so many fewer brits would die for peace.
During every play-through I escape with Raylof, I (in My head canon) cannot justify escaping with Havor (he could be just waiting to put Me in chains again). After Helgen, I (after playing a Stormcloak on My very first play-through) usually lean toward the Empire, but don't do the civil war quest line at all (I only completed the civil war quest twice, once as each side). I don't like Ulfric, did not like him even on My very first play-through as a Stormcloak.
Oh and I refuse to kill Partysnacks during the main quest.
He doesn't want you in chains he made that clear when you got sent to the chopping block. He felt bad and he never comes for you again.
Hmmm... do you... side with the lawful authority figure who has always been sympathetic to you, and who has spoken up for you, and who tells you he will seek to get your crimes pardoned...
Or... the terrorists who nearly got you executed because of their civil war that you got caught up in?
Long live the Secret Khajit empire
skyrim may belong to the nords
but everything in it belong to khajiit
Pussy Riot
@@aleph1057 Perfect.
I can roll with that.
Thalmor and empire are warring it out while khajiit are smugling fully automatic rifles and rpg-7s
When i first played this game i didnt pay attention to any of the lore. i just looked at windhelm and taught "man this place sucks, always gloomy weather around here"
So i hung out more in other cities and eventually joined the empire.
Fair
Chad solitude vs virgin Windhelm
If Ulfric's head was the first to be chopped at Helgen, the war would have been over. He was the only prisoner that mattered. This was the fault of Tullius.
I do not accept this piece of imperial propaganda
After playing through the stormcloak quest line all those years ago I felt like an asshole, because I essentially just put an egomaniac into power and there was a lot of evidence to suggest that he only wanted to be in power and didn’t really care for his people that much. I couldn’t really sympathize with his cause after that and I have a hard time seeing how people still can
I did not care for either side of the Skyrim Civil War, so I just killed both Ulfric and General Tullius. What do I care, there are dragons to deal with.
@alvi syahri not for the main quest.
@@GhostBear3067 No they are essential as in the game doesn't allow you to kill them. It's a designation within the game mechanics.
@@OldPanther then WTF happened in the copy I got to play?
@@GhostBear3067 No idea. You're suppose to only be able to kill one as part of the quest.
Torygg's old court mage Sybille Stentor suggests that Torygg may have been about to go over to Ulfric's side before he challenged him to a duel. Had he just waited a short while longer, then Skyrim as a whole could have rebelled against the Thalmor once again.
Interesting. Though Ulfric would have had no way of knowing that...
@@ajunta2270 Even if he did I imagine he would still challenge him because he wants to be high king.
She's biased and a vampire. Also, according to the owner of bits and pieces, all Torygg did in his speeches was talk about "the Empire this and the Empire that."
@@JZjzred simply being a vampire has no relevance, and to insinuate that pro-imperial bias is worse than pro-rebel bias by conspicuously stating her bias but making no mention of anyone else's is dishonest. Also, it's a fucking video game. The Stormcloaks, like the Imperials, are not real. These aren't real things.
@@mapleflag6518I doubt it as long as Torryg could prove he wasn’t an imperial puppet Ulfirc probably would have trusted him.
Honestly, that Skyrim parody ending where the Dragonborn used Paarthurnax to dethrone both sides and announce him as leader, made me wish we could do that.
If someone knows of a mod where that happens, please tell me.
Become the high king mod let’s you become the defacto ruler of skyrim after you meet up with some shady folk in markarth. Either through democracy, assassinations, or even marriage to either of the actual candidates (it opens up both as spouse options)
Ulfric: let's go start a uprising
Auldin: it show time
To top this off when you do the peace treaty with the imperials and stormcloaks, you see that Ulfric is more impatient, power hungry, and more focused on his speeches than the meeting. Even after the meeting you can tell that Ulfuc only cares about himself when he immediately leaves while general Tullius stays to discuss the dragon threat. Also Tullius in the meeting was a lot more reasonable and more mature than Ulfric.
Both were unreasonable, unless you sided with them, when talking to you they basically have the same dialog
@@lukec2004 No they don't. A neutral Dragonborn does the following:
1. Lets Elenwen stay, since she's part of the Imperial delegation, and thus has a right to be there
2. Trades Markarth for Riften
3. Does nothing else.
That's a fair deal, and the only one throwing a tantrum there is Ulfric.
General Falco yes the entire negotiation was just Ulfric complaining
@@dutchpatriot17 Pretty much. And even if you send Elenwen away, Ulfric is always the first to speak up and start the demands, wanting Markarth. It's only after that when Tullius starts getting understandably snippy.
@@dutchpatriot17 "Let Elenwen stay" Of course Ulfric is pissed off, she is literally a Thalmor who should never get to participate in the fate of skyrim to any extent.
"If he was elected, he must have been a man of some intelligence"
*glances at the world leaders of today
I don't know if I'd say that...
nobody important I snorted my coffee out of my nose, and it feels like I almost drowned. Thanks a lot.
Lol, agreed....
Make Skyrim Great Again
@Crynaotlod a "very stable genius" hahaha
Kim Jon Un: hides
“Why does a Khajiit want to fight for Skyrim?”
Well okay then off the the legion I go
(The one time I attempted to try the rebel side as an khajiit main)
The empire doesn't even question why u wanna fight they just kno ur skilled then give u a test of clearing a bandit fort
I think this summarizes my opinion of Ulfric in a nutshell:
When his opponent is High King Torryg: He challenges him to combat and shouts him to death.
When his opponent is Jarl Balgruuf the Greater: He sends soldiers to do his work for him.
He's a fucking coward.
Not just him but the entire damn lot of the Nords who are Stormcloak supporters. All it takes is for Ulfric to die for them to give up on "The Nord Dream of a Free Skyrim". These people are all cowards who can't fight for themselves.
Reasons I always support the empire. Besides even general tullious hinted at the fact that the empire is trying to bide it's time and consolidate its strength mentioning "you never know when we might face off against them again, but we will keep that between us"
He didn’t even hint he basically outright stated
The thing is, even the Stormcloaks are a threat. If you read the thalmor dossiers; you will see that the Stormcloaks are only useful in their rebellious state. The dossier mentions to "keep them under control and to not let them win"; implying a Stormcloak victory is a threat to the Thalmor.
@@rixille they don't understand commerce or the full picture of what a war would take to achieve victory against the thalmor. Yes the thalmor perceive the stormcloaks as a threat but not in the way you think it mentions later that the thalmor actually benefits from trade with the empire and deemed it more lucrative not to rule over them or destroy them. The stormcloaks would ruin not just themselves but just taking over skyrim wouldn't thwart the empire. Example if the stormcloaks won then the empire would have no choice but to request help from the thalmor to take skyrim back. This is terrible for all parties involved. In order to secure thalmor help the empire would be indebted to them indefinitely and further harming any chances of getting free from the thalmors influence
@@jesterjake88 The Thalmor want to destroy the towers of Nirn so they can re-ascend to their place as gods; they don't care about trade or commerce, they simply use things as a means to an end. The peace treaty is just a convenience for them to deliberate their next moves at annexing territory so they can destroy the towers in lands they aim to conquer. The Empire's weakened state means they are incapable of protecting other lands, as is evidenced by how they withdrew from Morrowind during the oblivion crisis, and that was even before the war with the Aldmeri dominion. Basically, it doesn't matter if the empire is destroyed or not, the rest of the world is being left behind or siphoned of its life and resources to keep up a fragile state incapable of reciprocating to its subject lands. Skyrim could arguably bolster its standing army once the Empire is driven out, since it would not be subject to imperial taxes and its natural resources would be distributed to all the holds for quick rebuilding. Who knows what Bethesda is going to do with them though, the writing can be inconsistent at times.
@@rixille but you're talking theoreticals... they even admit in skyrim that trade is good for both the empire and the aldmeri dominion. Besides the fact that ulfric is a prejudice psychopath hellbent more on domination than liberation, i really have my doubts that he would be what's best for skyrim as a province despite the empires short comings and again general Tullius admits also that the empire is still pursuing Avenues of war with the the thalmor and if we look to the red guards which are allies of the empire they too think a united front with the empire is a better idea than separate provinces trying to fight the aldmeri dominion alone individually....
My cousins reason why ulfric is good: Because he didn't want to cut my head off at the beginning of the game
Me: Bruh
Smoll brain time.
Only a fool would join up and and fight with the group of people that tried to kill them for no just reason, and only a foolish group would accept such a fighter! Smart cousin.
Your cousin seems naive, and made the right choice, for the wrong reasons lol.
He never had the fucking chance...
that's mostly the reasons why players who sided with the Stormcloaks reason with
Miraak knows that it’s almost impossible to outsmart Mora in his own realm, but come on, he’s gotta try right? What other choice does he have?
He isn’t evil just an idiot that needs someone to balance him out, which is one of the reasons I joined him
If Windhelm is how Ulfric manages a single city under the pressure of a civil war, I'd hate to see how he would manage all of Skyrim while at war with the Thalmor :-\
To be fair, Windhelm is among the most woke and progressive of all Skyrim holds. It's the only hold that actually received and accommodated a substantial refugee influx, in the form of the Dunmer refugees who fled the Red Mountain eruption. Not to mention the climate of Windhelm is, well, not exactly designed for prosperity, let's say, unlike Solitude or Whiterun.
@@pruthweeshasalian3688 The refugees in Windhelm didn’t really resettle there as a matter of choice and it wasn’t because of the good graces of the Nords living there. That city just happened to be the closest to the northwestern end of Morrowind where the majority of Dunmer refugees escaped to after the eruption of the Red Mountain and the Argonian invasion. Seeing the conditions the refugees are forced to live in, with some being banned from even entering the city itself due to their race alone, along with the casual and overt racism they suffer at the hands of local Nords like Rolff Stone-Fist is proof that when it comes to tolerance and inclusion, Windhelm is not by any means the best location for either in Skyrim.
Heck, even after the civil war if the player sides with the Empire, the new Jarl who is more tolerant than most of the local Nords states that even with Ulfric gone things can’t improve for the refugees too fast because of resistance from the Nord population, and some refugees still need to remain outside the city for their own safety.
@@Ultimaton100
> some refugees still need to remain outside the city for their own safety.
You're only proving my point here, bud. Argonians are barred entry because of the bad blood between themselves and the Dunmer who historically enslaved them.
> That city just happened to be the closest to the northwestern end of Morrowind where the majority of Dunmer refugees escaped to after the eruption of the Red Mountain and the Argonian invasion.
I never said anything that insinuates Windhelm isn't the closest Nord city to Morrowind or that its proximity to Morrowind is the reason for its substantial refugee presence.
> ... along with the casual and overt racism they suffer at the hands of local Nords like Rolff Stone-Fist is proof ...
As I have mentioned elsewhere in one of my comments, the motivation for Rolff and other seemingly racist Nords is not the fact that non-Nords are different, but the fact that non-Nords are largely indifferent to Nord suffering. If you listened carefully, you'd know that Rolff and his mate reprimand the Dunmer woman for refusing to support the rebellion against Imerial tyranny. There is at least one Dunmer, namely Belyn Hlaalu, who has earned the respect of the Nords of Windhelm, by running a farm and paying taxes to untlimately aid the Stormcloak rebellion. It's easy to brand people as being "racist" but it takes honesty and patience to see the entire picture and study the motivations for people's behaviours. For the record, I'm not condoning Rolff's actions. I'm merely suggesting he doesn't hate Dunmer for their existence, but because of their neutrality and unwillinglness to help his political interests.
All said and done, Windhelm still is the single most refugee-laden city in Skyrim, its geographical position notwithstanding; and other holds/cities have no authority to virtue-signal Windhelm merely because they haven't handled a refugee crisis of similar scale.
You talk like you are some kind of a politician ffs
@@pruthweeshasalian3688 regardless Windhelm is still a shit hole
Video posted by The Empire Gang, Long Live Tullius
I bet you love bending over for those damm elves. Empire has no balls.
Praise Thalos Biach
@@bloodjunky9214 Talo's created the fucking Empire. The Stormcloaks spit in Talo's face by destroying what he created in his mortal life.
@@bloodjunky9214 Thalmor spy you can't even spell the great Talos correctly.
Empire gang
@@SirDankleberry Talos would be fucking pissed about ten years before Ulfric started the rebellion. The empire did jack didley squat for decades.
I back the Empire. As the saying goes “A people who don’t raise a finger in defence of their homeland deserve to be subjugated”.
Skyrim isn’t capable of defending itself alone. Yet want an independent they know they can’t defend…
They said the same of hammerfell, hammerfell pushed the thalmor back, skyrim can do the same.
Funny your first statement fits the empire so much better, it is the empire who don't raise a finger in their defense, its why their now subjugated. They are nothing but the lapdog of the thalmor, for 26 years the great war has been over and yet they still obey the thalmor command. It is the empire who let the thalmor agents in, it is the stormcloaks seeking to push them out.
another saying for you, it is better to die standing, than to die on one's knees.
"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"
-Qui-gon Jinn
I love how we can have discussions about the politics of a virtual world, Bethesda made something special here. What a time ti be alive.
There are some people who argue that Ulfric was justified to use the Voice when dueling Torryg, as traditionally, the Thu'um was revered in Skyrim. But the thing is...Torryg didn't know the Voice. And why should he? It takes years and years for someone who isn't Dragonborn to even learn the Voice, years that could be spent learning how to actually run a province. I'd rather have a High King who knows how to run Skyrim than one who knows how to use the Voice. So really, Ulfric would have been justified if Torryg had wasted half his life learning from the Greybeards, and being an overall weaker monarch. Oh, the irony...
"It was a perfectly fair, legal, and honourable duel. Yes, the other guy was armed with a butter knife and a pamphlet entitled "why I like to do it with girls", while I had a Challenger 2 main battle tank, but it was still _perfectly fair!"_
It doesn’t take as long as you think. That’s why all drager can shout. And ulfric was like 20 to 25 when he left the graybeards
Yeah but let’s not forget that this King was being groomed and manipulated by a vampire i hate the SKs as much as you but it’s better he died for he was a puppet not of the Empire but by something evil and malicious
It depends on how it's used. The Grey Beards study The Voice as a means to attain enlightenment. If oakbrook used it for any other purpose other than a weapon in war, then his rule would be a lot more justifiable.
Umm actually it was the wolf queen that the Vampire was serving
An independent Hammerfell held out against the Elves way batter that when they were in the Empire.
And hammerfell and skyrim are close allies
Except Hammerfell has a huge ass desert right in the middle of its land, got to fight the Dominion in a insurrection style war with Legion Veterans, while the Thalmor just got out of a continent spanning war and had no time to waste in Hammerfell. Otherwise the Empire would just recover, while they spend years fighting a guerilla war and in the worst case bleed out even more.
From a certain point of view their decision to just get out of Hammerfall was brilliant. The can start to recover, forced the Empire to lose that province completely anyway (they can always come back, when the Empire is gone and nothing threatens them form the back), undermined imperial authority by making people belive they don't need to stand united under it and can just fight the Thalmor by themselves (wonder where the nords got that idea...) and focus there energy to keep the empire destabilized. Plus they can hide how much the great war cost them and that they needed peace as much as the empire does.
The nords have neither a great geographic feature, nor a good enough timing to do what the redguards did. The mountains are nice and all, but breached once, the become useless as a defence, the stormcloaks can hardly guard and reinforce every path quickly enough should the Dominion invade and once inside, there is no desert to hide behind. And when they do come, they will have neither a reason to stop, nor need they be coutious of some other foe until a severly weakend skyrim is broken.
Ulfric and the Stormcloaks simply can not emotionally accept, that they lost and bury themselves in a fantasy where logistics, numbers, technology, etc. don't matter and they should/will win, because they want in really bad and are such superman, that they cannot lose if they belive in a imagined ideal and glorified past hard enough.
Skyrim has a huge ass desert to its south called hammerfell and a huge ass province called cyrodil to South too. To its north is this great defensive feature...an ocean that is difficult to dock at, and the only way to reach is to sail around hostile highrock and hammerfell.
In the event of thalmor war, hammerfell and skyrim would join whoever was being attacked anyway so it doesn't matter if their one nation or not.
The great war also ended in imperial victory, when nord legions led by a hero dressed as emperor destroyed a thalmor army and retook capital. Also mind you the artifact that was allowing the thalmor to win by outmaneuvering the empire was destroyed as well. It was the emperor who lost the war, not the empire. That cowardly bastard sold the nation out.
After the empire has already severely weakened he Thalmor prior to that??
1. Ulfric tried to get Toregg to rebel against the empire at the moot, but it didn't work. So he decided to challenge Toregg for the position in a duel.
2. Using the voice was stupid of him. He was a skilled military vet who could easily kill Toregg without it. So fair enough.
3. Winning in trail by combat does make Ulfric High King. " By Nordic tradition, a High King can be challenged in a duel of arms for the right to the throne. If they refuse, the challenger has grounds to call for a moot to elect a new High King" (elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/High_King).
4. The redguards, who are much closer to the summerset isles, were able to fight off the Thalmor all by themselves. There is no reason why the other warrior race, the nords, the race that originated from causing the snow-elves to nearly go extinct, couldn't defend themselves from the Thalmor. The imperials are not a race of warriors but instead merchants. They relied on there alliance with the nords to win wars in the first place.
1. Ulfric never asked Torygg.
4. That's blatantly false. Cyrodiil's Colovians have always been the bulk of the Imperial forces. The Redguards had a ton of Legion veterans, and barely any Nords fought in the Great War.
@@dutchpatriot17it was nord legions who won the final battle. The battle of the red ring was done by mostly nord legions. Even many of the people in skyrim comment on being veterans of the war. I'll give you that imperials have more legions but that's mostly due to geography, their land is better for farming and the like which means they have more people.
@@damackabet.4611 That is incorrect. General Jonna commanded the Nord Legions, and those legions only secured the roads - the actual retaking of the capital was done by the main, largely Imperial, force.
The Nord legions then mopped up the rest when they routed after Naarifin had been defeated and the city had been taken, but the claim that they reclaimed the capital is a common misconception.
The one thing I like about ulfric is his speech at the beginning of this video. It's full of logical fallacies but there's one thing that rings true : 'I fight for the men who came home only to find their homeland filled with strangers wearing their friends faces'
Not only is that just a genuinely good line with great delivery it kind of makes me think that Ulfric doesn't actually really care about the talos ban, he's just after being so traumatized by the war and his imprisonment that he just doesn't know how to settle back down and live his normal life.
And of course with skyrim being the culture it is he can't complain about the toll fighting has taken on him so he just goes out to find another war. Anything to distract him from the life he no longer recognizes.
It's kind of sad honestly. He doesn't mind dying in this fight he's started because hopefully he'll be able to get the peace he lost in sovereignguard.
That's a new one. One that makes, sort of, sense.
7:40 It does *kinda* make sense to have people who can breathe water work at the docks.
Jerk move to force them there though
Ignorant comment, as you haven't researched enough, Windhelm's racial rule is something that was done to prevent dark elves and argonians to kill each other since the dark elves enslaved the argonians for centuries.
Clone Stormtrooper
I am indeed ingnorant to the lore.
That’s why I’m watching a lore video
Just as you know, this isn't a lore video, this is a biased guy's opinion on Skyrim's civil war and Ulfric.
If you really care about lore, google "Skyrim Lore: The civil war", and you'll get all details, like the Markarth incident, the thalmor interference and the motivations of both factions.
Ulfric doesn't force them to live anywhere. The CHOOSE to stay in Skyrim and refuse to leave.
@@Khoros-Mythos tbh why are dark elves even in skyrim, they already gave solstheim away
"He murdered the high kimg destroyed him whith his voice he simply seized to exit" something in skyrim delogoe i rember
When I fought Ulfric, I ended up making the finishing blow on him with an arrow to the knee. Wasn't even trying. I couldn't believe it when I saw what I'd done
I can't remember who, but an NPC does mention that while Talos worship was "outlawed", it wasn't really enforced and everyone hsd their own private shrine to Talos until Ulfric and the Stormcloaks began making waves about it, which drew the Thalmor's attention and forced the Empire to crack down. All because Ulfric is an egotistical jackass.
the blacksmith in riverweood
Fascism 101; invent a non-existent problem in order to gain power to quell it.
Are you talking about Igmund, who hired Ulfric to retake the Reach and promised Ulfric and his militia free worship in return. Then turned around and arrested Ulfric and his men because the Thalmor found out?
Yeah… totally Ulfrics fault…. Not.
@@thebk247 it is though? Its how he went about it.
@@cookieaddict5956 how did he go about it? Ulfric did what Igmund hired him to do.