Me, who just got dawnfang wearing full dwarven armor, getting "ambushed" (he walked right infront of me and tryed threatening me) by a thief in leather armor with two iron daggers:
Delphine not only asks us to kill a priceless asset. She dares say she will not speak to the dragonborn if he refuses to do so. When her whole bloodline is about protecting the dragonborn and obeying his orders. She goes against the very foundation of her organization she loves so much because of her karen issues.
Yeah that bit always threw me for a loop. "I am the Dragonborn and you protect and serve me, and obey my command, right?" -DB "Yes, that is right." -D "OK, cool. Parthaanaax lives, and goes free." -DB "lol no, fuck you nerd. Talk to that gross ass lizard again and you're out of the cool kids group." -D Stellar Bethesda writing at it's peak. How has this company not been gutted and replaced by former Obsidian employees by now? And also, how is fucking Todd still around? If I fucked up at my job as much as he did, I'd be blacklisted. Not even just fired. I'd have to go to another country for work.
@@elijahgrimm8052Todd has led teams that made games that sell like crazy. Starfield is his first true flop, even if Skyrim and Fallout 4 were mid they still sold insanely well. Profit > integrity to companies.
That guy at the beginning of the game who told the imperials to hurry his execution up. If he let them say his last rights, he may have survived due to Alduin attacking.
Well that guy didn’t have any knowledge of Alduin being about to attack Helgen so he assumed that they were all going to die anyway so might as well get it done with sooner rather than later however I will concede that he is still a bit stupid for not letting them read him his last rights
To be fair, the priestess giving those rites had just cited "the Eight Divines" like that wasnt one big final insult on top of fatal injury. "Oh, sure, lets get the gods, you know, the REAL gods, the ELVEN ones, not that one weird dude, to grant your souls peace as we kill you." The first guy in line for execution was the only one who could reasonably have interrupted (if anyone behind him had said hurry up, we could all agree that would be whack) and he took the moment to tell the Empire that he didnt need their false humility and faux generosity. The Stormcloaks were definitely led by an idiot, imo, but everyone gives that one guy grief when it's kinda badass (dumb, maybe, to not cling to life for every second he could).
Plot twist, Savos is a wood elf, not a dark elf. He's just so sleep-deprived that his eyes are permanently bloodshot and the dark circles under them have grown to cover his whole face.
Obviously, it's Delphine. But I'll throw one at yall. Septimus Signus. For such a clever guy, it's weird that he didn't see how having the DB do his work for him would definitely make him disposable to a Daedra.
What about that Thalmor that comes to kill you after you get the Staff of Magnus, sent by Ancano? "You fool, you don't stand a chance". My mer, don't you realize what i just get rid of in this very same dungeon?
Honestly its not a bad plan have the adventure go through this supposedly hard dungeon and then kill them when they should be weakened. The only problem was that the adventure is over powered
Delphine really be acting like that crazy aunt/uncle, thinking that everything bad in the world and everythign they dont personally like is because of some shadowy group lmao
Astrid is a solid choice. Defying the Nightmother wasn’t particularly wise, either; she was just obsessed with keeping her control of the DB and became blinded.
There is a mod that lets Astrid live and have Arnbjorn be the snitch, which I guess could open her up for redemption for both the brotherhood and the Night Mother
@@razztastic says what? Belethor shares lines with a number of characters voiced by Stephen Russell, including the “you and me, we’re the only ones around here who aren’t complete fools” line. Viarmo at the bards college also says it.
Yea Delphine, Ulfric and Astrid are pretty dumb but you know whos worse? Chief Yamarz, bro either runs up on a giant and gets sent to Skyrims Space Program or tries takin on the dude he pays to kill said giant. Either way is a L for him
Fun note? You can "spare" him. Last time, I just left him there, and went back to his camp; The game ignores he isn't dead, and plays out as if he died attacking you, if memory serves.
"I'm too weak to fight the giant. Hey you, defeat the giant and you get money" Proceeds to fight the guy who is stronger than the guy he couldn't beat...
Astrid is Not Smart when you first meet her. She knows that you're capable of killing, she's just kidnapped you, and then she puts you in a shack with all your weapons and potions and spells before commanding you to follow her orders. She has no backup and no escape route. She simply lounges on a shelf, completely open to attack. Then, after you've introduced her head to a warhammer, a questline opens up where you can easily travel to the Dark Brotherhood headquarters and slaughter everyone. Her pointless posturing and empty threats lead very shortly to the destruction of her organisation. Well done, Astrid.
To be fair, she manages to kidnap the dragonborn with seemingly little difficulty. She probably got lax when she was able to drag you all the way from whatever bed you chose to nap in, to a grimey shack all the way out past Morthal. It's almost comical, imagining the lengths she has to go to to make the journey if you are sleeping in somewhere like Riften.
there's a theory about that first meeting with astrid that I don't fully believe but would definitely explain her idiocy here. She tells you that someone in the room with you has a contract put out on them but doesn't tell you who. That contract could be on one of the other people she kidnapped, but it could also be on you or her. If you kill her in the shack, her last words will be "well done", which implies that either she was the one with the contract or that she is just complimenting the dragonborn. If the contract is actually for her, then it would make a lot of sense for her to leave herself so defenseless, it would just mean that she wants out of all of it. Or, the more likely scenario, Bethesda didn't put any thought into it and just thought it would be a cool intro.
I always disliked her attitude so when I finally got to making a morally good character that would have to destroy the dark brotherhood (and nab the outfit to help sneak around the Thalmor embassy) I realized then just how silly she is. Lounging on the book case, I got a bunch of free hits in on her while she went to get down off the case and before she could even pull the blade of woe out, my unrelenting force shout ragdolled her to the ground whilst I beat her to death before she could even get back up. Ultimately, after realizing my sword & board Dragonborn had no sneak proficiency, the armor I looted from her to use in the Thalmor didn’t actually help any to sneak, everyone just noticed me immediately, even though I was sneaking and not at all in line of sight, I might as well have just snuck my regular heavy armor in and went (swords?) blazing hacking and slashing them down.
@@benjadryl_7393the more likely theory is that the contract is on us the dragonborn which there actually is a contract out on the dragonborn and its actually comical that Astrid never mentions the fact that she sent someone after our character.
It's always Delphine. Always will be. Party Snax is way more helpful in the main quest line than the "Blades" could ever be. Plus, he doesn't boss you around like Delphine does.
Not to mention Delphine calls the Dragonborn stupid if they ask if they can trust her, stating they shouldn’t have followed her if they didn’t. As if she didn’t just lead one of the most powerful mortals alive into her basement without a plan B?!
The Blades cannot even handle the Thalmor. Parthurnax has created a small group of Philosopher Dragons who could very well be up there in terms of power, wisdom and good as the Psijic Order. It doesn't take a genius to figure out who is the winning team. As it is, Esbern might die of old age in a few years, if the Thalmor don't find them first and Delphine will then truly be on her own, she won't even have an Inn to fall back on.
It should also be mentioned that he saved all mortal races *twice,* and all Delphine has ever done is both be the Elder Scrolls personification of Peggy Hill, and seemingly *trying* to waste our time. Don't even mention she's, by all accounts, a heretic to the Blades: Are we, as dragonborn, not basically her god?
No, mercer is stupid because he messed with the one daedric prince he'll end being with after he dies. How can you pledge your soul to a demoness, then betray her while still alive. Mercer should have used the key to find a way to be immortal and left most of the loot in the thieves guild safe. He could have simply stolen the plans and only the truly valuable loot and left the rest. Instead he wanted everything and was arrogant. So he died.
I never believed Mercer was an overall idiot. He did frame Kailah for a very long time. Along, with covering Gallus’s death. So, that must of taken some time and effort.
Honestly, if you're going to pick a Jarl for this list, it should be Laila Law-Giver, hands down. It is a minor miracle that her breathtaking cluelessness hasn't caused Riften to become overrun by bandits. Siddgeir, Korir, and Skald all deserve mention ahead of Balgruuf as well. But by far the biggest idiots in all of Skyrim are the pitiful souls who, having just seen someone single-handedly kill a dragon and then absorb its soul, decide it is a genius idea to attack said someone.
Considering that Maven is pretty much completely in charge in Riften, and it's the sewer infested with the thieves guild morons, you could argue that the city HAS been overrun by bandits. The imperial guy who takes over in Winterhold is pretty stupid, he is a total suck up to the brainless lunatics at the college.
It’s because everybody already knows how incompetent the rest of the Jarl’s are. This list is doing something different by highlighting the fact that Balgruuf’s far from perfect too
I nominate Azzadal, the bard of Bard's Leap... his one line? "Been a long time since someone took the leap. Longer still since any survived it. I once performed the entirety of the Poetic Edda from atop Bard's Leap before trying my luck. Well, you can see how that turned out." ...yes, he's a ghost.
Nah, he just have a serious thrill issue, just like the player. And the fact that you met him is a proof that you did the very thing that he does, and survived unlike him.
Isran -Sees Serana, a vampire, the thing he swore to destroy Dragonborn: "She can help us" Isran: "K makes sense, carry on" Esbern and Delphine -Hear that some old dragon is still alive, bothering no one Dragonborn: "He can help us" Esbern and Delphine: "NOOOOOO HE'S A MURDERER HE KILLED MY GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER HE CAN'T LIVE KILL HIM KILL HIM NOWWWW REEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
The difference between someone who listens to reason and someone who is blinded by dogma. Even the leader of an organized group of vampire hunters (who previously was in a religious order that fights vampires and other monsters) at least opens his ear. Because you can always kill the vampire later, after she has helped us.
Was the vampire in question knowingly responsible for centuries of torture and some of the worst crimes committed against humanity? I'm sorry I used to be all in favor of unquestionably sparing Paarthurnax, but even he admits that it'd be difficult to trust him Implicitly
@@kevinflynn4649 well he has tried to repent for his past actions, since he didnt have a choice, Alduin wouldve killed Paarthurnax if he disobeyed any of his orders
I bet it's that one farmer NPC, who told me he's on his way to Windhelm to join up with the Stromcloaks. And then walked towards the gates of Solitude.
I think the Imperial captain who decides to sentence you to death for the crime of "Can't be bothered to check" at the beginning of the game deserves a nod. She's probably the primary cause for at least half of the games where the Dragonborn sides with Ulfric.
Fair. And goodness knows Stormcloak Dragonborn is the worst variant of the timeline except for Vampire Lord Dragonborn... and even then that's only in lore. In game play you mildly inconvenience people by making it a little dark. Whereas Stormcloak Dragonborn condemns the entirety of Tamriel to Thalmor control after they fuck off at the end of the story.
@@zehkiel8018 A strong Skyrim is more likely to be able to save the Empire from the Thalmor than a weak Empire that includes Skyrim to save itself. Ulfric is a powerhungry ahole and the worst possible leader, but his cause is right and a Free Skyrim can become strong and when the Thalmor attack again, they have a better chance to save the day. Imperial held Skyrim would be subject to rebellion after rebellion. Let's not forget that Ulfric was a dupe of the Thalmor, he was their captive, released in order to make trouble. The White-Gold concordant was designed to isolate Cyrodil from it's provinces. Hammerfell lost territory they would never surrender so the Empire had to cut them off and Talos worship was banned to cut the Nords out. Should the Imperials win, the Thalmor would just release more prisoners of war to create another rebellion.
@@charimonfanboy Except it won't be a strong Skyrim. They're going to drive out every non-Nord and cripple themselves, handicapping their population. Because the Stormcloaks are just that short sighted and little better than Reachmen.
@@zehkiel8018 Self rule is not the same as expel everyone else. Ulfric and the stormcloaks rule Windhelm with no Imperial oversight. They still accepted dunmer refugees and never expelled them. There's even Altmer merchants in the city who own property. It's pretty far from ideal, but they are there, unexpelled or murdered or anything. And this is the city the most racist stormcloaks fled to. Elsewhere, ruled by more moderate Jarls, you just wouldn't see it happening
@@charimonfanboy considering how badly they treat other races and keep argonions outside the walls, yeah they're probably gonna drive them out and or keep them in one poor city for life
I’ve got a sleeper pick for the bottom half of the list, though I don’t know who I’d remove. Yamarz. The Orc Chief of Largashbur. Think about it: First, the Dragonborn discovers Largashbur, and likely, saves the Orc settlement from a giant. At worst, the Dragonborn helps significantly. After that, the Dragonborn goes on a fetch quest to get the stuff to summon Malacath. Malacath, a Daedric Prince who has clearly seen everything that has been unfolding, is summoned and commands Yamarz to accompany the Dragonborn to Fallowstone Cave to slay a giant and retrieve Shagrol’s Warhammer. The Dragonborn can basically solo that giant, and another one found on the way to the Warhammer, as well as some bears. Only after that does Yamarz find his bollocks and, for whatever reason, decides he can beat the Dragonborn one on one as he doesn’t want the tribe to know the Dragonborn was responsible for killing the giant. That makes Yamarz an idiot because, while he’s scared of the giants, he thinks he can beat someone capable of easily solo’ing them. Worse than, even if Yamarz had won the fight against the Dragonborn (not a chance), Malacath would have still known that Yamarz didn’t kill the giant.
Yeah, that one is an idiot and also a coward that spends time with his orc wench lollygagging instead of dealing with the Giants. You can even see his debauchery leftovers in said orc hold. Guy deserves the giant moon landing.
2:30 The funniest part of this is his farm is doing terribly despite his bragging, and his wife is almost certainly cheating on him at the temple she spends all her time at.
not only that, but the guy doesn't even have his own house. He rents the room on the second floor of the drunken huntsman. Every sentence he speaks is about how rich he is, but the idiot is so poor he has to rent a room in a bar.
Whilst I agree that Mercer’s plan was flawed at best, he does also offer one of the best and most factual lines of dialogue in the game in my opinion with “When will you open your eyes and realise how little my actions differ from yours? Both of us lie, cheat and steal to further our own end”.
That's a good line, yes. But Paarthurnax has the best in the game, if not series: "What is better? To be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"
Particularly bounty quests, clearing entire bandit camps for 100 gold... Oh, and joining a band of vampire hunters, running into a vampire on your first mission who has an elder scroll. Fails to kill her immediately, fails to secure the scroll, actually takes her to her castle and walks inside with a "come bite me" attitude
It's Tullius. Instead of having Ulfric executed first at Helgen, he allowed that captain to kill some random nobody stormcloak and then order an even more random unarmed nobody in hobo rags go second.
Or, it's said idiot captain, for insisting on executing said unarmed nobody for absolutely no reason at all; which would've doomed Skyrim if said random nobody stormcloak hadn't insisted on getting his own execution over with first.
Tulius. "okay men. we better kill Ulfric first. Just in case an ancient forgotten dragon who was lost in time thousands of years ago and has never been seen since, suddenly appears and lands on this very tower. Guard?? Why are you laughing? it could happen to anyone"
@@stopthink7202 Let's assume that they are smart and remember they are in enemy territory and that the locals might start an attack at any time to free Ulfric. Getting the big leader executed first solves so many more problems regardless of Alduin coming along.
Okay true, but... even if they executed Ulfric first... he wouldn't have been a dick head like the first Stormcloak and interrupt the priest lady. Even if he wasn't gagged--- I don't think he would have interrupted her. Which means that it literally didn't matter.
Delphine was fairly high in the list, and for the exact same reasons u might think however, there were a few that were quite a bit dumber, with Ulfric getting number 1
I vote Lokir of Rorikstead, for trying to run away in a base full of soldiers trained with the bow. If he had bid his time, during the dragon attack he may have escaped.
I say it's the Imperial Captain in the beginning. If she had one single brain cell in her head, the conversation would've gone like this: Hadvar: "Captain, he/she's not on the list. What should we do?" Captain: "What was his/her crime?" Hadvar: "Beats me." Captain: "Well, he/she clearly doesn't belong here then. Let him/her go!" Hadvar: "By your orders, Captain."
@@JStryker47 is kinda weird that two people who got caught presumably around the same time are so different in that regard. Why was the horse thief on the list, and not the unknown -insert race here-that was caught around the same time? Is stealing a horse such a great crime that it deserves the same punishment as the stormcloaks?
Yes. It reminds me of Morrowind where an infinite stream of DB assassins was a whole side business because of their valuable armour. And yes, they really liked to fight a war hammer or a maul with a dagger. DB should stand for "Debilitated Blockheads".
In my latest playthrough, he ran up to me when I was attempting to hunt some bandits. I was hidden, he was not. I survived the encounter with the bandits, he did not 🤷♀
@@arashimifune2853 haha nice. The last time I saw him, his pursuer ran right past him, almost bumping into the schmuck, asking "have you seen some ugly schmuck round here?" (Paraphrasing of course)
That was actually a thing, mostly in late medieval cities. The thief would grab the goods from the mark, secretly palm the goods to a bagman and run off. If the city guard catches the thief, he has no stolen goods on him, he might not be arrested. But if the bagman was caught, there was a common excuse of "I was an innocent bystander, threatened to hold these goods, honest" Which is unlikely because the whole point is palming the goods off is meant to be done fast and secret, which isn't possible if you have to talk to the bagman.
Disagree 100% about Balgruff, he doesn't have the money to strengthen epair Whiterun's defenses. He knew that WR would be ground 0 in the Skyrim civil war and tried to ready WR for it by delaying it. He knew Ulfric was likely to attack WR first which is why he allowed Talos worship in WR to keep the people's loyalty. He knew the Empire wouldn't attack WR first because Tullius had limited resources and didn't require supply over land because he controlled the large port of Solitude. Balgruff isn't timid, he's shrewd.
Absolutely. Not to mention that he didn't station troops in Riverwood specifically so he could keep his neutrality. His hold is caught between a rock and a hard place and he's desperately trying to find a balance where they don't get crushed.
Absolutely the best Jarl and not even for being the first one you meet (as is the case for Lydia compared to the other Housecarls). Him and Alvor both give some of the best insights into the Talos ban and they're both in the game's "tutorial"
I'd still consider Delphine to be the biggest moron in Skyrim for thinking she has any right to order the Dragonborn around after pretty much saying the entire duty of the Blades is serving the Dragonborn. I really wish you could legitimately complete the main quest without her involvement instead of having to abuse the console to do it.
The quests and other stuff given when you kill parthurnax is technically a branch off the main quest and is not mandatory for any of the actual main story content, including dlc. It's just the blades radiant quests that are locked if you ignore that one.
@@Gyovali Yeah, but I typically ditch her as soon as I get the horn back. I never fight Sahloknir with her, don't do Diplomatic Immunity, and simply use the console to advance the main quest to the point where I need to get Dragonrend. Delphine's usually dead at that point anyway through more console magic.
@@Gyovalibut refusing to kill paarthurnax gives you access to grey beards radiant quests, which gives directions for words of power, imo that's more beneficial than getting exact locations of dragons when you're gonna get dragons randomly, and fairly common
@@zehkiel8018 there's a whole Hammerfell that would say otherwise. Also the Aldmeri Dominion started losing the moment the Forgotten Hero(TES: Legends) stole the Orb of Vaermina from Lord Naarifin, a daedra artifact that was used to spy on the empire's army throughout the war. Since Bethesda considers all their games to be canon, until TES 6, this is the only outcome for me: Stormcloaks win the Civil War, the Empire helps with the Thalmor in order to avoid extinction and try to subdue Skyrim, but they form a coalition with Hammerfell and it drags on until TES 6.
Sebi isn't in any danger, Maven just put him in timeout using the prison system. If she felt like it, he'd have gotten a medal and parade by order of the Jarl for murdering the guy.
Delphine is not only the worst character in Skyrim, she’s one of the worst characters in all of fiction. Her voice actor also gave the most bland and emotionless performance in the entire game. I will never forgive Bethesda for making her an essential NPC
@@brandonjames412 His accent is just bad. At least that guy has more affect when he speaks about certain things. Delphine speaks like an emotionless drone no matter what she says. Her performance is still worse and there’s no convincing me otherwise 😂
@@alexsanchez5681 I found her convincing, at times...she believed what she was saying; it's just everything Delphine said was profoundly stupid. I'm not going to work too hard to convince you; the character of Delphine sucks either way.
Her voice fits her perfectly for a delusional paranoid pompous idiot who thinks the Thalmor is capable of summoning Alduin the Eater of Worlds. More reason to despise her.
I'm 🤏 close to making a Skyrim mod that replaces Delphine regular armour by a clown costume, and changing all of her dialogues to the Dragonborn yelling "SHUT UP DELPHINE" and her saying "yes, dragonborn"
That one girl you find outside a dungeon with an argonian, shes literally just a daddy's girl who begged to her dad to go to a DUNGEON AND RISK HER LIFE
I can’t decide if Delphine is the biggest idiot for wanting to murder one of the few beings who can genuinely help prevent the LITERAL END OF THE WORLD, or Esbern for following her lead.
I just got the version that can be played on my coffeemaker. The graphics aren’t great and the controls are a little jank, I also keep burning my hand, but it was worth the $20.
Ulfric started the rebellion after he basically reconquered Markarth for the Empire after it was taken by the Forsworn himself, was imprisoned by the Thalmor as a result, and was tortured for years, missing his father's funeral as a result, only to come out and see the Empire effectively bending the knee to the Thalmor. From his perspective, the Empire betrayed him, and every single soldier who ever served them. He even says as much when speaking to Galmar the first time you enter his castle. He asks Galmar why he fights, to which Galmar replies by saying that he fights so Ulfric can rule. Ulfric replies, regardless of whether or not you can be seen, to a man who would already do anything for him, by saying that he fights for his men, his home, his people, and his religion. Ulfric truly does deeply care for Skyrim. He's an extremely powerful warrior, and a very competent general. If he had an advisor less idiotic than fucking GALMAR, he'd genuinely have been able to kick Tulius out of Skyrim without the Dragonborn.
He couldn’t. And if he could, Skyrim would fall to anarchy. Ulfric is a racist extremist who shortsightedly sees independence from the empire as the most important thing in the world, not defeating the Thalmor or momentarily stopping the war to help kill *the fucking world-eater*. An independent Skyrim could work. It would probably be better than an imperial Skyrim. But a Stormcloak Skyrim? Your just wishing for the mer to genocide everyone
Doubt that Galmar was just following ulfrics orders you can only justify Ulfric based on his goals on his pride and emotions which don't win wars. Barely gets anywhere til you get there and had a whole Aldmeri dominion to try fight with no help from the empire any longer. He won a battle but no where near the actual war.
Galmar isn’t the main reason why ulfric is a moron..Actually? You just explained the problem with ulfric, The issue with him is that he thinks with his emotions rather than logic, I understand from his prospective why he does what he does but is it the smartest move absolutely not? The empire on the other hand uses logic instead of emotions. Ulfric was to wrapped up with the empire he didn’t realize all he was doing was giving the thalmor the REAL enemy more of a advantage over the empire and eventually all of humanity.
Another reason why I dislike ulfric is that he’s too pridefully and stuck on views that doesn’t help him in the long run, for example, the stormcloaks would have stood a chance if they were a little more accepting of other races instead of having this “Skyrim only for the nords” attitude
Yeah, about that. He got captured in a few months after General Tullius came to Skyrim. Not so great of a leader after all. If it wasn't for the dragons he would've lost his head. Tullius was really smart to end Ulfric's life at that point because he knows Ulfric is just another clueless tool of the Thalmor.
It's Todd Howard. There's no such thing as a Bethesda game without bugs, glitches, broken npcs, and more updates to futher break the game that the modders fixed. But by the end of the day "It just works!".
@ZanathKariashi uhhhhhhh I've never used mods and the games aren't bad, like that don't crash or bug out, maybe a random chicken stuck in the ground but t that's it
Balgruf was based. Ulfric and Tulius over there arguing over who's going to rule Skyrim while Jarl Ballin is more worried about the literal dragon apocalypse. Let's you capture a literal dragon in his keep so you can ride it.
I felt more like all the teachers were the type of academics who just want to focus on their own research and don't give a shit about teaching. It's very "try not to get yourselves killed or blow up the world, but I'd prefer that to you bothering me".
Nazeem, Delphine, Chief Yamarz, Jarl Laila Law Giver, That one guy in Whiterun who always complains about the security, Bandits, Thieves and Assassoins
Farengar who knows I’m a dragonslaying master of the thu’um but sends a few bandits after me for stealing a soul gem, having given them a note with his name on it.
14:57 I turned ulfric into a sweetroll... then ate him. No one even batted an eye, nor did I get a bounty on me, giving me reason to believe even other stormcloaks in his own throne's hold hated him.
A fact to consider for Ulfirc is the dossier the Thalmor has on him. He was convinced under interrogation that information coerced from him led to the Empire losing the capital, only to be allowed to escape. While not working with the Thalmor directly, the Thalmor have been secretly supporting his rebellion as a proxy war to more easily subjugate the Empire by only doing enough for the civil war to become stagnant. Ulfric, for his part, blames himself for losing the imperial capital, and has convinced himself that he alone can set right the wrongs of the past by becoming High King on an independent Skyrim. Does this make him even more idiotic? It certainly doesn’t help make Ulfric look better.
@@rh3309 In my mind, Skyrim pretty much sets up the Dragonborn eventually becoming Emperor. One story of Talo's origin has Tiber Septim as a general under King Cuhlecain, only to succeed to the throne after King Cuhlecain's death. While it's not exactly the same, there seems to be parallels if the Dragonborn supports the Stormcloaks.
@@rh3309 How long is the Dragonborn going to hang around though? In most playthroughs, he is Man. And those only live up to about 100 years. Even if he survives for that long, he is going to eventually die of old age. He might have the soul of Dragon, but his body will fail unless other magic is involved.
Dovakin. Guards killed vampires and dragons even without his assistance, but he wasted his time on main quests instead of becoming rich and live peacefully in marriage at home.
Skyrim's biggest idiot is the Empire. Ulfrik killed High King Torig in a legal dual but rather than continue business as usual, the Empire immediately moved to illegally arrest Ulfrik, igniting the Skyrim Civil War when they needed a united Empire. When they capture Ulfrik along with a couple of random guys, without trial they move to execute them all, again against their own laws. They try to kill a person found in the vicinity who wasn't listed with any crimes and who turned out to be the Dragonborn. And don't get me started on the general they sent who openly mocks the culture of the people he's supposed to be bringing back under the Empire's control!
Paarthurnax: Alduin is dead, time to teach the remaining dragons the peaceful way Delphine: No he's evil kill him Dragonborn: ... and that's why pregnant women shouldn't drink skooma, people like Delphine will be born
While Rolf IS stupid (mostly about harassing someone who could probably get him unemployed and homeless), racism in Skyrim is must lower and tamer than in any previous TES game.
Say that to Empire-lovers, those guys would not pass any option to tarnish any faction wanting independence, even if said option is ultra-nit-picked or even fabricated.
Khajiit are banned from urban areas, and Argonians are banned from entering Windhelm proper. Morrowind had slavery, so it was definitely worse. Racism in Cyrrodill was present, but it was generally depicted as undesirable and not necessarily mainstream. There was the religious lady who made the city guides, and I think one of the Countesses was a psychopath (If I'm remembering correctly).
Nords have every right to be racist, how long this discussion is gonna last? It's their land! Everyone else came here of their own free will, so they have to respect whatever nords are doing.
In my book, stupid means unintelligent, dimwitted, slow, etc. A person can do stupid things without being stupid. As much as I'd like to recognize Delphine as the stupidest person in the entire world, she doesn't strike me as particularly stupid. She's managed to survive all those years, and that takes some skill and intelligence. It's all the other traits she possesses that really makes me hate her. Characters who put their trust in the Daedra are definetly not the smartest people, but they are most often blinded by the Daedra, and are simply used as pawns by beings much more surerior than themselves. There are, however, one character in Skyrim, whom I consider to be a bit dumber than the average. Jarl Leila! She is easily manipulated by everyone around her, and let's Maven and the Thieves Guild do whatever they want.
Seriously. He actually respects the dragonborn, which automatically puts him leagues above the intelligence of countless other characters that were absent from this list. If anything, put one of his bratty children on the list, but not Balgruuf.
@@VidralliaArchivesOnly one of his kid is bearable. Nobody gonna miss that little bitch and that Mephala kid. Plus the Ebony Blade is useless even at max forging, with the ally killing and all that. Thank god for Killable Children.
Well, he's not really an idiot, but way too passive and timid, which endangers his people. But compared to most of the other jarls (who are practically almost all stupid), he is one of the smartest and definitely one of the nicest.
I don’t particularly like Delphine for everything that’s already been covered, but I can at least see some of her potential reasonings no matter if I don’t agree with them. Astrid literally thought the father of someone they killed was going to leave them be….seriously? She brought that fate upon herself and I think that’s what makes her the stupidest.
Proventus, the Steward at Dragonsreach, explains why Balgruuf hasn't been putting as much defences around the Hold as he should. It's because Balgruuf won't declare that he's for the Imperials. Proventus is reluctant to even send more guards to Riverwood in case the Jarl of Falkreath gets nervous and thinks Balgruuf is amassing a Stormcloak invasion force.
There is a mod that allows you, the dragonborn and therefore leader of the blades, to put your foot down and tell her you will not kill paarthunax, and she drops the matter. Should have been in the base game.
@@bradencampbell464And its voiced too, pretty awesome. Never gonna leave my mod list. No delusional Karen gonna tell me go and kill my old buddy Partysnacks.
On my first playthrough I never got to see the Dark Brotherhood. I was like: "who this woman think she is trapping me here and forcing me to do this? You know what, there is a 4th choice.
General Tullius. Great tactician, terrible strategist, useful idiot. Instead of creating a ceasefire and moving to make a free or at least calm in Skyrim while consolidating Stormcloaks and Imperials to purge the Thalmor, he kicked the bee hive by trying to illegally execute Ulfric. His stupid actions shape the entire narrative of the game.
When a mod is created to resolve how dumb of a situation the player is presented with because of a single character, that character will always be biggest idiot. Without question, Delphine.
* Random Khajiit thief trying to rob me * Thief: alright hand over your valuables, or I gut you like a fish. * Me wearing the literal remains of a dragon, glowing like a nirnroot and with shouts that can stop time and with the capacity of transforming into a werewolf * Me: are you f*cking dumb?
Mercer Frey and Thonar aren't really that dumb. Mercer had the guild under his thumb and Karliah constantly looking over her shoulder, he also correctly identified the Dragonborn as the only thorn in his side that he didn't account for. The fatal mistake he made was thinking Karliah's greed for his death would win over justice for Gaius, which was his one flaw: Greed. His greed eventually spelled his downfall and dying in his true heist is the icing on the cake. Also Nocturnal doesn't really care that much, she didn't even kill Dereloth for stealing the cowl and for a thief anonymity is actually a huge boon. Thonar is also smart for imprisoning Madanach, keeping an enemy leader in hand's reach of an execution, is a good deterrent against rogue threats like the Forsworn. Unlike other threats, Forsworn leadership can easily be replaced, yet Madanach's leadership is superb and it's shown abundantly clear Markarth is actually safer because the Forsworn have to tread carefully, or they lose a leader worth their salt. By having Madanach alive, they can push for negotiation or delays, whilst maintaining authority in The Reach. The big flaw comes from how they just shoved all the Forsworn together, allowing them to gather strength much more easily. Also, unlike Thonar, Madanach is more charismatic and down to earth when you deal with him, which makes it obvious that most non-forsworn locked up with him would most definitely support him.
Yeah I felt like Mercer was the only competent person in that guild, and the only one actually doing any thieving. I joined up to steal stuff, not be part of a religious cult.
Logrolf the Willful is super underrated. He’s actually a complete dumbass. Spends years giving Molag Bal the biggest middle finger possible just to submit his soul to him as if he wasn’t going to immediately get killed anyway and sent straight to Molag Bal’s crib for an eternity of torture
I'd have put Mogrul on the list, he really shouldn't have put a debt on the one who defeated Miraak. And claiming the guards will put a bounty on your head if you draw on him... Will a bounty on hour head help his grow back?
Double crossing a Daedric prince is definitely a top-tier stupid move as he's in for an eternity of torture, he's just lucky he didn't do that to a scarier prince like Molag Bal.
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Probably that one thief that REALLY wants to rob me when he sees me in a fully enchanted Stalhrim armor.
“Nice try, but you don't scare me. I'm not going to ask again.”
“Don’t you walk away from me!”
Me, who just got dawnfang wearing full dwarven armor, getting "ambushed" (he walked right infront of me and tryed threatening me) by a thief in leather armor with two iron daggers:
Bwahahaha, true!!
Especially since thieves are supposed to *avoid* detection by their victims.
"Empty your pockets!"
Currently beast form werewolf...
"Kill paarthurnax"
"Or?"
"I'M...i'm just gonna sit in sky heaven temple...until..you do...but I'm telling you what to do ok? cause I'm important"
"k"
(ignores her and the blades for the rest of the game)
(puts her asset from essential to non essential)
Karens aren't confined to earth it seems
i just get a mod that allows me to put her in her place and still continue the blades questline without killing paarthonax
“Unfortunately, Delphine you have outlived your usefulness”
Delphine not only asks us to kill a priceless asset. She dares say she will not speak to the dragonborn if he refuses to do so. When her whole bloodline is about protecting the dragonborn and obeying his orders.
She goes against the very foundation of her organization she loves so much because of her karen issues.
Yeah that bit always threw me for a loop. "I am the Dragonborn and you protect and serve me, and obey my command, right?" -DB
"Yes, that is right." -D
"OK, cool. Parthaanaax lives, and goes free." -DB
"lol no, fuck you nerd. Talk to that gross ass lizard again and you're out of the cool kids group." -D
Stellar Bethesda writing at it's peak. How has this company not been gutted and replaced by former Obsidian employees by now? And also, how is fucking Todd still around? If I fucked up at my job as much as he did, I'd be blacklisted. Not even just fired. I'd have to go to another country for work.
And the Blades will finally die due to her inability to compromise or think of future ramifications.
@@elijahgrimm8052Todd has led teams that made games that sell like crazy. Starfield is his first true flop, even if Skyrim and Fallout 4 were mid they still sold insanely well. Profit > integrity to companies.
@@IndyMiraagaSo 76 wasn't one of the biggest game flops in history? Interesting.
@@elijahgrimm8052 He didn't lead the team that made it. In fact, it wasn't even made by Bethesda but another company entirely!
The thief with leather armor trying to rob a dragon born with a full set of dragon armor 😂
Is that confidence, or bravado? Confidence i can use. Bravado gets *Thieves* killed.
What you mean? The thief is thinking "woah his gear is so much nicer than mine, I have to take it!" Pretty smart if you ask me XD /s
Delphine, gotta be, I'm calling it.
Same
Absolutely
Delphine has 2 be the most hated character in Skyrim.
@@Sherrybirkin2012 For good reason as well.
Yup, the top DUO of Stupidity in this game
That guy at the beginning of the game who told the imperials to hurry his execution up. If he let them say his last rights, he may have survived due to Alduin attacking.
Well that guy didn’t have any knowledge of Alduin being about to attack Helgen so he assumed that they were all going to die anyway so might as well get it done with sooner rather than later however I will concede that he is still a bit stupid for not letting them read him his last rights
Lol i think that every time. Glad someone said it
To be fair, the priestess giving those rites had just cited "the Eight Divines" like that wasnt one big final insult on top of fatal injury. "Oh, sure, lets get the gods, you know, the REAL gods, the ELVEN ones, not that one weird dude, to grant your souls peace as we kill you." The first guy in line for execution was the only one who could reasonably have interrupted (if anyone behind him had said hurry up, we could all agree that would be whack) and he took the moment to tell the Empire that he didnt need their false humility and faux generosity.
The Stormcloaks were definitely led by an idiot, imo, but everyone gives that one guy grief when it's kinda badass (dumb, maybe, to not cling to life for every second he could).
How could he have possibly known that though?
@@Amadeus8484 By being smart. Duh.
Savos can't sleep because his bed is too far away for him to go to it. He's not stupid, he's extremely tired. 😂
I'm convinced he was suicidal
@@opticalraven1935 after labyrinthian? Probably.
Plot twist, Savos is a wood elf, not a dark elf. He's just so sleep-deprived that his eyes are permanently bloodshot and the dark circles under them have grown to cover his whole face.
Obviously, it's Delphine. But I'll throw one at yall. Septimus Signus. For such a clever guy, it's weird that he didn't see how having the DB do his work for him would definitely make him disposable to a Daedra.
To be fair Septimus was driven crazy.
Yeah dudes old and senile
Septimus had gone three quarters insane by the time you meet him...
Great Vidd
@@Amadeus8484The fourth quarter when you return.
What about that Thalmor that comes to kill you after you get the Staff of Magnus, sent by Ancano?
"You fool, you don't stand a chance".
My mer, don't you realize what i just get rid of in this very same dungeon?
And with a iron dagger.
Honestly its not a bad plan have the adventure go through this supposedly hard dungeon and then kill them when they should be weakened. The only problem was that the adventure is over powered
"You may expect me to be weakened after this whole ass dungeon,unfortunately for you i have more healing potions than all pharmacies of Tamriel."
Frankly, the Thalmor are allergic to not picking fights with guys who butcher dragons on a regular basis.
My DB: "How convenient! We're in a tomb, deep underground. Shall I show you your new home?"
Anyone else get mad when Delphine watches a dragon be resurrected by another dragon and then blame it on the Thalmor? Open your eyes!
no. I blame it on the morons that excuse themselves for being " writers".
"NOOOOO IT HAS THE BE THE THALMOR, MY CONSPIRACIES NEED TO BE ENFORCED! HELP ME, YOU IDIOT DRAGONBORN!"
Bitch, I ain't got time for this.
No no but uh (checks notes) the THALMOR are CONTROLLING the other dragon, yeah! Because uh... Thalmor!
Delphine really be acting like that crazy aunt/uncle, thinking that everything bad in the world and everythign they dont personally like is because of some shadowy group lmao
Da thalmor are behind za plot
Has to be Astrid, did she really believe Commander Maro would not come after her after the dark brotherhood killed his son?
Astrid is a solid choice. Defying the Nightmother wasn’t particularly wise, either; she was just obsessed with keeping her control of the DB and became blinded.
Yeah. I always wondered about that one "I know we just murdered your son but how do you feel about a piece negotiation?" lol
Not to mention she betrayed Sithis. She falls into the "You betrayed the guy you gave your soul to" club. It's not a good club.
There is a mod that lets Astrid live and have Arnbjorn be the snitch, which I guess could open her up for redemption for both the brotherhood and the Night Mother
@@ItsChevnotJeffwouldn’t be shocked if that was meant for romance options
Biggest fool in Skyrim: everyone who isn’t Belethor and the Dragonborn.
Genuinely, Belethor may be the smartest man in Skyrim.
Lmaooo yes, that was exactly my thought
Lucan is the guy who says that, not Belethor
@@razztastic says what? Belethor shares lines with a number of characters voiced by Stephen Russell, including the “you and me, we’re the only ones around here who aren’t complete fools” line. Viarmo at the bards college also says it.
@@razztastic Any NPC with the sly cynical voice (AKA Lucan and Belethor etc) say the line.
I am the biggest idiot in Skyrim for repeatedly plummeting to my death out of simple impatience.
😅😅😅😅😅
You gotta have the become ethereal shout to circumvent
I have animated wings ultimate, I take no fall damage.
I tip me hat to you DragonBorn
Just shout FEIM and then jump
Yea Delphine, Ulfric and Astrid are pretty dumb but you know whos worse? Chief Yamarz, bro either runs up on a giant and gets sent to Skyrims Space Program or tries takin on the dude he pays to kill said giant. Either way is a L for him
Fun note? You can "spare" him. Last time, I just left him there, and went back to his camp; The game ignores he isn't dead, and plays out as if he died attacking you, if memory serves.
Exactly
"I'm too weak to fight the giant. Hey you, defeat the giant and you get money"
Proceeds to fight the guy who is stronger than the guy he couldn't beat...
Typical Orc…Jk I love my orcs,
Easily my top 5 favorite races, they are up there with Redguards, Dunmer and nords.
Stormcloaks are the correct side. Siding with the empire is evil
Astrid is Not Smart when you first meet her. She knows that you're capable of killing, she's just kidnapped you, and then she puts you in a shack with all your weapons and potions and spells before commanding you to follow her orders. She has no backup and no escape route. She simply lounges on a shelf, completely open to attack.
Then, after you've introduced her head to a warhammer, a questline opens up where you can easily travel to the Dark Brotherhood headquarters and slaughter everyone. Her pointless posturing and empty threats lead very shortly to the destruction of her organisation. Well done, Astrid.
To be fair, she manages to kidnap the dragonborn with seemingly little difficulty. She probably got lax when she was able to drag you all the way from whatever bed you chose to nap in, to a grimey shack all the way out past Morthal.
It's almost comical, imagining the lengths she has to go to to make the journey if you are sleeping in somewhere like Riften.
@@ninjathis3009 Amusingly, I was indeed sleeping in Riften. I couldn't believe it when after killing her I looked at the map and saw where I was.
there's a theory about that first meeting with astrid that I don't fully believe but would definitely explain her idiocy here. She tells you that someone in the room with you has a contract put out on them but doesn't tell you who. That contract could be on one of the other people she kidnapped, but it could also be on you or her. If you kill her in the shack, her last words will be "well done", which implies that either she was the one with the contract or that she is just complimenting the dragonborn. If the contract is actually for her, then it would make a lot of sense for her to leave herself so defenseless, it would just mean that she wants out of all of it. Or, the more likely scenario, Bethesda didn't put any thought into it and just thought it would be a cool intro.
I always disliked her attitude so when I finally got to making a morally good character that would have to destroy the dark brotherhood (and nab the outfit to help sneak around the Thalmor embassy) I realized then just how silly she is. Lounging on the book case, I got a bunch of free hits in on her while she went to get down off the case and before she could even pull the blade of woe out, my unrelenting force shout ragdolled her to the ground whilst I beat her to death before she could even get back up. Ultimately, after realizing my sword & board Dragonborn had no sneak proficiency, the armor I looted from her to use in the Thalmor didn’t actually help any to sneak, everyone just noticed me immediately, even though I was sneaking and not at all in line of sight, I might as well have just snuck my regular heavy armor in and went (swords?) blazing hacking and slashing them down.
@@benjadryl_7393the more likely theory is that the contract is on us the dragonborn which there actually is a contract out on the dragonborn and its actually comical that Astrid never mentions the fact that she sent someone after our character.
It's always Delphine. Always will be. Party Snax is way more helpful in the main quest line than the "Blades" could ever be. Plus, he doesn't boss you around like Delphine does.
Not to mention Delphine calls the Dragonborn stupid if they ask if they can trust her, stating they shouldn’t have followed her if they didn’t. As if she didn’t just lead one of the most powerful mortals alive into her basement without a plan B?!
Lol, Party Snax😂
The Blades cannot even handle the Thalmor. Parthurnax has created a small group of Philosopher Dragons who could very well be up there in terms of power, wisdom and good as the Psijic Order. It doesn't take a genius to figure out who is the winning team. As it is, Esbern might die of old age in a few years, if the Thalmor don't find them first and Delphine will then truly be on her own, she won't even have an Inn to fall back on.
It should also be mentioned that he saved all mortal races *twice,* and all Delphine has ever done is both be the Elder Scrolls personification of Peggy Hill, and seemingly *trying* to waste our time. Don't even mention she's, by all accounts, a heretic to the Blades: Are we, as dragonborn, not basically her god?
@@Umbra_Ursus Peggy Hill is a very apt comparison hahahaha
No, mercer is stupid because he messed with the one daedric prince he'll end being with after he dies. How can you pledge your soul to a demoness, then betray her while still alive. Mercer should have used the key to find a way to be immortal and left most of the loot in the thieves guild safe. He could have simply stolen the plans and only the truly valuable loot and left the rest. Instead he wanted everything and was arrogant. So he died.
It’s foolish to sell your soul to anyone, but betraying whoever already owns your soul is next-level idiotic
Probably could have used the skeleton key to free him from that pledge
@@noodler5583😂😂😂😂
This. Anyone who pledges to her is a knuckle dragger by default.
I never believed Mercer was an overall idiot. He did frame Kailah for a very long time. Along, with covering Gallus’s death. So, that must of taken some time and effort.
Honestly, if you're going to pick a Jarl for this list, it should be Laila Law-Giver, hands down. It is a minor miracle that her breathtaking cluelessness hasn't caused Riften to become overrun by bandits.
Siddgeir, Korir, and Skald all deserve mention ahead of Balgruuf as well.
But by far the biggest idiots in all of Skyrim are the pitiful souls who, having just seen someone single-handedly kill a dragon and then absorb its soul, decide it is a genius idea to attack said someone.
Considering that Maven is pretty much completely in charge in Riften, and it's the sewer infested with the thieves guild morons, you could argue that the city HAS been overrun by bandits.
The imperial guy who takes over in Winterhold is pretty stupid, he is a total suck up to the brainless lunatics at the college.
What would you call Maven black briar then?
Laila is just a puppet. Maven is the real ruler of Riften.
@@KaoruMzk exactly. How could Riften be overrun by bandits, when it's already in the hands of the local organized crime.
It’s because everybody already knows how incompetent the rest of the Jarl’s are. This list is doing something different by highlighting the fact that Balgruuf’s far from perfect too
"Do you get to the clou-"
YES Nazeem... I have walked down the second of TWO roads in all of Whiterun.
I nominate Azzadal, the bard of Bard's Leap... his one line?
"Been a long time since someone took the leap. Longer still since any survived it. I once performed the entirety of the Poetic Edda from atop Bard's Leap before trying my luck. Well, you can see how that turned out."
...yes, he's a ghost.
I don't know maybe he was just depressed
@@breakpain999or stupid
As you know about him... You must have... kinda... jump it too. ... ? xD
Nah, he just have a serious thrill issue, just like the player.
And the fact that you met him is a proof that you did the very thing that he does, and survived unlike him.
The whole thing is poking fun at Assassins Creed. You're just lucky they didn't put a haybale at the bottom
The biggest idiot is often found in the cloud district
According to his wife he's usually found with his head firmly up Balgruuf's ass.
I wouldn’t know, I don’t get there very often
Ironically he's almost never there, instead he's harassing people in the market
Nazeem?
More specifically, the biggest idiot is found in the Jarl's backside. At least according to said idiot's wife.
Isran
-Sees Serana, a vampire, the thing he swore to destroy
Dragonborn: "She can help us"
Isran: "K makes sense, carry on"
Esbern and Delphine
-Hear that some old dragon is still alive, bothering no one
Dragonborn: "He can help us"
Esbern and Delphine: "NOOOOOO HE'S A MURDERER HE KILLED MY GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER HE CAN'T LIVE KILL HIM KILL HIM NOWWWW REEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
🤣
That's why Isran is GOATed.
Sucks that he can't be a follower on vanilla.
The difference between someone who listens to reason and someone who is blinded by dogma.
Even the leader of an organized group of vampire hunters (who previously was in a religious order that fights vampires and other monsters) at least opens his ear.
Because you can always kill the vampire later, after she has helped us.
Was the vampire in question knowingly responsible for centuries of torture and some of the worst crimes committed against humanity? I'm sorry I used to be all in favor of unquestionably sparing Paarthurnax, but even he admits that it'd be difficult to trust him Implicitly
@@kevinflynn4649 well he has tried to repent for his past actions, since he didnt have a choice, Alduin wouldve killed Paarthurnax if he disobeyed any of his orders
Nazim for assuming I haven’t been to the cloud district. I operated 4 air bnbs in the cloud district
I bet it's that one farmer NPC, who told me he's on his way to Windhelm to join up with the Stromcloaks. And then walked towards the gates of Solitude.
I think the Imperial captain who decides to sentence you to death for the crime of "Can't be bothered to check" at the beginning of the game deserves a nod. She's probably the primary cause for at least half of the games where the Dragonborn sides with Ulfric.
Fair. And goodness knows Stormcloak Dragonborn is the worst variant of the timeline except for Vampire Lord Dragonborn... and even then that's only in lore. In game play you mildly inconvenience people by making it a little dark. Whereas Stormcloak Dragonborn condemns the entirety of Tamriel to Thalmor control after they fuck off at the end of the story.
@@zehkiel8018 A strong Skyrim is more likely to be able to save the Empire from the Thalmor than a weak Empire that includes Skyrim to save itself. Ulfric is a powerhungry ahole and the worst possible leader, but his cause is right and a Free Skyrim can become strong and when the Thalmor attack again, they have a better chance to save the day.
Imperial held Skyrim would be subject to rebellion after rebellion. Let's not forget that Ulfric was a dupe of the Thalmor, he was their captive, released in order to make trouble. The White-Gold concordant was designed to isolate Cyrodil from it's provinces. Hammerfell lost territory they would never surrender so the Empire had to cut them off and Talos worship was banned to cut the Nords out. Should the Imperials win, the Thalmor would just release more prisoners of war to create another rebellion.
@@charimonfanboy Except it won't be a strong Skyrim. They're going to drive out every non-Nord and cripple themselves, handicapping their population. Because the Stormcloaks are just that short sighted and little better than Reachmen.
@@zehkiel8018 Self rule is not the same as expel everyone else. Ulfric and the stormcloaks rule Windhelm with no Imperial oversight.
They still accepted dunmer refugees and never expelled them. There's even Altmer merchants in the city who own property. It's pretty far from ideal, but they are there, unexpelled or murdered or anything. And this is the city the most racist stormcloaks fled to.
Elsewhere, ruled by more moderate Jarls, you just wouldn't see it happening
@@charimonfanboy considering how badly they treat other races and keep argonions outside the walls, yeah they're probably gonna drive them out and or keep them in one poor city for life
I’ve got a sleeper pick for the bottom half of the list, though I don’t know who I’d remove.
Yamarz. The Orc Chief of Largashbur.
Think about it: First, the Dragonborn discovers Largashbur, and likely, saves the Orc settlement from a giant. At worst, the Dragonborn helps significantly.
After that, the Dragonborn goes on a fetch quest to get the stuff to summon Malacath.
Malacath, a Daedric Prince who has clearly seen everything that has been unfolding, is summoned and commands Yamarz to accompany the Dragonborn to Fallowstone Cave to slay a giant and retrieve Shagrol’s Warhammer.
The Dragonborn can basically solo that giant, and another one found on the way to the Warhammer, as well as some bears.
Only after that does Yamarz find his bollocks and, for whatever reason, decides he can beat the Dragonborn one on one as he doesn’t want the tribe to know the Dragonborn was responsible for killing the giant.
That makes Yamarz an idiot because, while he’s scared of the giants, he thinks he can beat someone capable of easily solo’ing them.
Worse than, even if Yamarz had won the fight against the Dragonborn (not a chance), Malacath would have still known that Yamarz didn’t kill the giant.
I didn't consider yamarz, but I think you're right
Yeah, that one is an idiot and also a coward that spends time with his orc wench lollygagging instead of dealing with the Giants. You can even see his debauchery leftovers in said orc hold. Guy deserves the giant moon landing.
2:30 The funniest part of this is his farm is doing terribly despite his bragging, and his wife is almost certainly cheating on him at the temple she spends all her time at.
So _that's_ why one of the priests has the key to their house!
@@frantisekvrana3902 Yeahhhhh she def made a copy in secret lol
And the other priestess is basically encouraging her to murder him.
not only that, but the guy doesn't even have his own house. He rents the room on the second floor of the drunken huntsman. Every sentence he speaks is about how rich he is, but the idiot is so poor he has to rent a room in a bar.
Whilst I agree that Mercer’s plan was flawed at best, he does also offer one of the best and most factual lines of dialogue in the game in my opinion with “When will you open your eyes and realise how little my actions differ from yours? Both of us lie, cheat and steal to further our own end”.
The difference of Mercer and the player, is the player doesnt try to kill people obviously far stronger than them
That's a good line, yes. But Paarthurnax has the best in the game, if not series: "What is better? To be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"
The thing about Mercer is KARLIAH , WHEN WILL YOU LEARN YOU, CAN'T GET THE DROP ON HIM.
@@Umbra_Ursus That’s also a great line
I do that kind of a lot, because stealth archer 😅 Granted, it does NOT always work out for me@@gabrielbarron7667
the dragonborn for being suckered into doing everything
But you're the dragon born.
Yes@@thedeadpoolwhochuckles.6852
Particularly bounty quests, clearing entire bandit camps for 100 gold...
Oh, and joining a band of vampire hunters, running into a vampire on your first mission who has an elder scroll. Fails to kill her immediately, fails to secure the scroll, actually takes her to her castle and walks inside with a "come bite me" attitude
well at least i got money from those db contracts for my quaint manor...
Well you quickly become one of the wealthiest and strongest people in Skyrim so not really suckered.
The Blades exist to serve the Dragonborn, then Delphine shows up and acts like she owns us
It's Tullius. Instead of having Ulfric executed first at Helgen, he allowed that captain to kill some random nobody stormcloak and then order an even more random unarmed nobody in hobo rags go second.
A truly "you had ONE job, just the one" moment.
Or, it's said idiot captain, for insisting on executing said unarmed nobody for absolutely no reason at all; which would've doomed Skyrim if said random nobody stormcloak hadn't insisted on getting his own execution over with first.
Tulius. "okay men. we better kill Ulfric first. Just in case an ancient forgotten dragon who was lost in time thousands of years ago and has never been seen since, suddenly appears and lands on this very tower. Guard?? Why are you laughing? it could happen to anyone"
@@stopthink7202 Let's assume that they are smart and remember they are in enemy territory and that the locals might start an attack at any time to free Ulfric. Getting the big leader executed first solves so many more problems regardless of Alduin coming along.
Okay true, but... even if they executed Ulfric first... he wouldn't have been a dick head like the first Stormcloak and interrupt the priest lady. Even if he wasn't gagged--- I don't think he would have interrupted her. Which means that it literally didn't matter.
Delphine. I'm not even watching the video. But if it's not Delphine then this video is wrong
Delphine was fairly high in the list, and for the exact same reasons u might think however, there were a few that were quite a bit dumber, with Ulfric getting number 1
Agreed
I vote Lokir of Rorikstead, for trying to run away in a base full of soldiers trained with the bow.
If he had bid his time, during the dragon attack he may have escaped.
To be fair, he was panicking and did something idiotic, and that's not exactly the same as actually being an idiot.
Because it’s perfectly reasonable to expect a dragon attack to save you before your execution
Stick around for a 100% chance of death or try escape for 99% chance?
Fucking hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I say it's the Imperial Captain in the beginning. If she had one single brain cell in her head, the conversation would've gone like this:
Hadvar: "Captain, he/she's not on the list. What should we do?"
Captain: "What was his/her crime?"
Hadvar: "Beats me."
Captain: "Well, he/she clearly doesn't belong here then. Let him/her go!"
Hadvar: "By your orders, Captain."
But the crime was illegally crossing the provincial border into a war zone. For all they know you're sneaking in to join Ulfric's clause.
"forget the list, he goes on the block"
tullius: wtf??? glad that bitch is dead
"He/She was caught trying to cross the border, same as the thief that just ran off"
@@SebasTian58323 You mean the horse thief who was *on the list?*
@@JStryker47 is kinda weird that two people who got caught presumably around the same time are so different in that regard. Why was the horse thief on the list, and not the unknown -insert race here-that was caught around the same time? Is stealing a horse such a great crime that it deserves the same punishment as the stormcloaks?
The DB assassin that came at me in broad daylight, with low level gear and no form of poison or plan.
Everyone in DB armor looks idiot
Yes. It reminds me of Morrowind where an infinite stream of DB assassins was a whole side business because of their valuable armour. And yes, they really liked to fight a war hammer or a maul with a dagger. DB should stand for "Debilitated Blockheads".
I like the the guy who runs up and forces you to take the sword, and without letting you say a word, says he will kill you if you "betray him"
And He never shows up again
In my latest playthrough, he ran up to me when I was attempting to hunt some bandits. I was hidden, he was not. I survived the encounter with the bandits, he did not 🤷♀
@@arashimifune2853 haha nice. The last time I saw him, his pursuer ran right past him, almost bumping into the schmuck, asking "have you seen some ugly schmuck round here?"
(Paraphrasing of course)
That was actually a thing, mostly in late medieval cities. The thief would grab the goods from the mark, secretly palm the goods to a bagman and run off. If the city guard catches the thief, he has no stolen goods on him, he might not be arrested.
But if the bagman was caught, there was a common excuse of "I was an innocent bystander, threatened to hold these goods, honest" Which is unlikely because the whole point is palming the goods off is meant to be done fast and secret, which isn't possible if you have to talk to the bagman.
@@charimonfanboy wow that's cool! Thx
Disagree 100% about Balgruff, he doesn't have the money to strengthen
epair Whiterun's defenses. He knew that WR would be ground 0 in the Skyrim civil war and tried to ready WR for it by delaying it. He knew Ulfric was likely to attack WR first which is why he allowed Talos worship in WR to keep the people's loyalty. He knew the Empire wouldn't attack WR first because Tullius had limited resources and didn't require supply over land because he controlled the large port of Solitude. Balgruff isn't timid, he's shrewd.
Absolutely. Not to mention that he didn't station troops in Riverwood specifically so he could keep his neutrality. His hold is caught between a rock and a hard place and he's desperately trying to find a balance where they don't get crushed.
Absolutely the best Jarl and not even for being the first one you meet (as is the case for Lydia compared to the other Housecarls). Him and Alvor both give some of the best insights into the Talos ban and they're both in the game's "tutorial"
I'd still consider Delphine to be the biggest moron in Skyrim for thinking she has any right to order the Dragonborn around after pretty much saying the entire duty of the Blades is serving the Dragonborn. I really wish you could legitimately complete the main quest without her involvement instead of having to abuse the console to do it.
The quests and other stuff given when you kill parthurnax is technically a branch off the main quest and is not mandatory for any of the actual main story content, including dlc. It's just the blades radiant quests that are locked if you ignore that one.
@@Gyovali Yeah, but I typically ditch her as soon as I get the horn back. I never fight Sahloknir with her, don't do Diplomatic Immunity, and simply use the console to advance the main quest to the point where I need to get Dragonrend. Delphine's usually dead at that point anyway through more console magic.
@@Gyovalibut refusing to kill paarthurnax gives you access to grey beards radiant quests, which gives directions for words of power, imo that's more beneficial than getting exact locations of dragons when you're gonna get dragons randomly, and fairly common
I wish you can hand over delphine to the Thalmor.. that would be a great feeling. This includes her partner in crime Esbern. Hes another idiot.
Delphine... I hate her, she wanted me to kill mario whom helped me
Let's-a go
What about that guy who can only stare at you blankly and say "I work for Belethor"
Gotta love that nearly everyone on this list is a Leader of some of the most poweful/influential groups in all of Skyrim.
Realistic
11:22 You mean the White-Brown Concordant, BECAUSE I WIPED MY ASS WITH IT.
Congrats, you've handed the entire continent to the Thalmor.
@@zehkiel8018Congrats, you've given away all your freedom to the Thalmor and do their bidding. The Stormcloaks are right doing what they do.
@@zehkiel8018 there's a whole Hammerfell that would say otherwise. Also the Aldmeri Dominion started losing the moment the Forgotten Hero(TES: Legends) stole the Orb of Vaermina from Lord Naarifin, a daedra artifact that was used to spy on the empire's army throughout the war. Since Bethesda considers all their games to be canon, until TES 6, this is the only outcome for me: Stormcloaks win the Civil War, the Empire helps with the Thalmor in order to avoid extinction and try to subdue Skyrim, but they form a coalition with Hammerfell and it drags on until TES 6.
Shoutout to the roadside thief running out to rob the werewolf. "Nice try, but you don't scare me."
"Hand over your valuables or I'll gut you like a fish" *stares in daedric plate armour
They're optimists of the highest order that lot.
Sebi isn't in any danger, Maven just put him in timeout using the prison system. If she felt like it, he'd have gotten a medal and parade by order of the Jarl for murdering the guy.
Delphine is not only the worst character in Skyrim, she’s one of the worst characters in all of fiction. Her voice actor also gave the most bland and emotionless performance in the entire game. I will never forgive Bethesda for making her an essential NPC
Have you not yet discushed the ongoing hoshtilitish like the resht of the great warriorsh?
Just saying, Delphine’s voice work is fine, in comparison.
@@brandonjames412 His accent is just bad. At least that guy has more affect when he speaks about certain things. Delphine speaks like an emotionless drone no matter what she says. Her performance is still worse and there’s no convincing me otherwise 😂
@@alexsanchez5681 I found her convincing, at times...she believed what she was saying; it's just everything Delphine said was profoundly stupid. I'm not going to work too hard to convince you; the character of Delphine sucks either way.
Her voice fits her perfectly for a delusional paranoid pompous idiot who thinks the Thalmor is capable of summoning Alduin the Eater of Worlds. More reason to despise her.
I'm 🤏 close to making a Skyrim mod that replaces Delphine regular armour by a clown costume, and changing all of her dialogues to the Dragonborn yelling "SHUT UP DELPHINE" and her saying "yes, dragonborn"
Please do
That one girl you find outside a dungeon with an argonian, shes literally just a daddy's girl who begged to her dad to go to a DUNGEON AND RISK HER LIFE
Soooo… we not going to mention the bandits that put a blind guy on look out duty
I will mention, Ulfric did take the jagged crown even though I stored it on another person. He literally accepted air.
That's gotta top most things.
If Delphine could be persuaded to not kill big Dragon boi, that questline would be twice as good.
I can’t decide if Delphine is the biggest idiot for wanting to murder one of the few beings who can genuinely help prevent the LITERAL END OF THE WORLD, or Esbern for following her lead.
Us, because we keep buying Skyrim.
How skyrim is greatest game
😂
@@MankarCameron Good paypig. Todd Howard loves you.
Just bought Skyrim vr…. 😂
I just got the version that can be played on my coffeemaker. The graphics aren’t great and the controls are a little jank, I also keep burning my hand, but it was worth the $20.
Ulfric started the rebellion after he basically reconquered Markarth for the Empire after it was taken by the Forsworn himself, was imprisoned by the Thalmor as a result, and was tortured for years, missing his father's funeral as a result, only to come out and see the Empire effectively bending the knee to the Thalmor.
From his perspective, the Empire betrayed him, and every single soldier who ever served them. He even says as much when speaking to Galmar the first time you enter his castle.
He asks Galmar why he fights, to which Galmar replies by saying that he fights so Ulfric can rule. Ulfric replies, regardless of whether or not you can be seen, to a man who would already do anything for him, by saying that he fights for his men, his home, his people, and his religion.
Ulfric truly does deeply care for Skyrim. He's an extremely powerful warrior, and a very competent general. If he had an advisor less idiotic than fucking GALMAR, he'd genuinely have been able to kick Tulius out of Skyrim without the Dragonborn.
He couldn’t. And if he could, Skyrim would fall to anarchy. Ulfric is a racist extremist who shortsightedly sees independence from the empire as the most important thing in the world, not defeating the Thalmor or momentarily stopping the war to help kill *the fucking world-eater*.
An independent Skyrim could work. It would probably be better than an imperial Skyrim. But a Stormcloak Skyrim? Your just wishing for the mer to genocide everyone
Doubt that Galmar was just following ulfrics orders you can only justify Ulfric based on his goals on his pride and emotions which don't win wars. Barely gets anywhere til you get there and had a whole Aldmeri dominion to try fight with no help from the empire any longer. He won a battle but no where near the actual war.
Galmar isn’t the main reason why ulfric is a moron..Actually?
You just explained the problem with ulfric,
The issue with him is that he thinks with his emotions rather than logic, I understand from his prospective why he does what he does but is it the smartest move absolutely not?
The empire on the other hand uses logic instead of emotions.
Ulfric was to wrapped up with the empire he didn’t realize all he was doing was giving the thalmor the REAL enemy more of a advantage over the empire and eventually all of humanity.
Another reason why I dislike ulfric is that he’s too pridefully and stuck on views that doesn’t help him in the long run, for example, the stormcloaks would have stood a chance if they were a little more accepting of other races instead of having this “Skyrim only for the nords” attitude
Yeah, about that. He got captured in a few months after General Tullius came to Skyrim. Not so great of a leader after all. If it wasn't for the dragons he would've lost his head. Tullius was really smart to end Ulfric's life at that point because he knows Ulfric is just another clueless tool of the Thalmor.
The guys that Mogul or what ever the orc in Raven Rock is named, hires to come after the dude that kills dragons and eats their souls.
Honorable mention: the naked bandit who tries to rob you after you destroy the entite hagraven group that imprisoned him.
It's Todd Howard. There's no such thing as a Bethesda game without bugs, glitches, broken npcs, and more updates to futher break the game that the modders fixed. But by the end of the day "It just works!".
Todd: It just works (after unpayed modders fix it all for us).
Those aren't bugs damn it, they're features 😂
@ZanathKariashi uhhhhhhh I've never used mods and the games aren't bad, like that don't crash or bug out, maybe a random chicken stuck in the ground but t that's it
Probably the thief who watches me slay a dragon in dragonbone armor and precedes to try and rob me 😂 in rags with a dagger
Okay. Stupid? Yes. But nuts of steel? Yes. Gotta give him props for the bravery lmao
@ definitely has a thick set of steel balls 😆
Balgruf was based. Ulfric and Tulius over there arguing over who's going to rule Skyrim while Jarl Ballin is more worried about the literal dragon apocalypse. Let's you capture a literal dragon in his keep so you can ride it.
I get the feeling it’s more a Mages Junior College
Mages Community College 😀
Mages Elementary School
I felt more like all the teachers were the type of academics who just want to focus on their own research and don't give a shit about teaching. It's very "try not to get yourselves killed or blow up the world, but I'd prefer that to you bothering me".
You'd think someone from the college would offer to help fix up winterhold in order to try to mend relationships with the town
Nazeem, Delphine, Chief Yamarz, Jarl Laila Law Giver, That one guy in Whiterun who always complains about the security, Bandits, Thieves and Assassoins
Laila is arguably one of the better Stormcloak Jarls. Skald and Korir are morons and the Silver Bloods are basically the mob.
Farengar who knows I’m a dragonslaying master of the thu’um but sends a few bandits after me for stealing a soul gem, having given them a note with his name on it.
14:57 I turned ulfric into a sweetroll... then ate him. No one even batted an eye, nor did I get a bounty on me, giving me reason to believe even other stormcloaks in his own throne's hold hated him.
Nah the college of winterhold shop guy selling you your elder scroll back
Tbh I'd probably not want to keep a possibly world destroying artifact in my possession either
To be fair to Nazeem's wife she is unhappily married is implied to regularly cheat on him and is actively looking to divorce.
The priestess in the temple seems to be encouraging her to murder him. Not in direct language, but the implication is there.
A fact to consider for Ulfirc is the dossier the Thalmor has on him. He was convinced under interrogation that information coerced from him led to the Empire losing the capital, only to be allowed to escape. While not working with the Thalmor directly, the Thalmor have been secretly supporting his rebellion as a proxy war to more easily subjugate the Empire by only doing enough for the civil war to become stagnant. Ulfric, for his part, blames himself for losing the imperial capital, and has convinced himself that he alone can set right the wrongs of the past by becoming High King on an independent Skyrim. Does this make him even more idiotic? It certainly doesn’t help make Ulfric look better.
So he is idiotic and delusional.
Who cares skyrim belongs to the Nords. Good luck to the aldmeri dominion taking skyrim with a dragon born hanging around. It'll be Talos 2.0
@@rh3309 In my mind, Skyrim pretty much sets up the Dragonborn eventually becoming Emperor. One story of Talo's origin has Tiber Septim as a general under King Cuhlecain, only to succeed to the throne after King Cuhlecain's death. While it's not exactly the same, there seems to be parallels if the Dragonborn supports the Stormcloaks.
@@rh3309 How long is the Dragonborn going to hang around though? In most playthroughs, he is Man. And those only live up to about 100 years.
Even if he survives for that long, he is going to eventually die of old age. He might have the soul of Dragon, but his body will fail unless other magic is involved.
@@frantisekvrana3902 We take the fight to them then
Dovakin. Guards killed vampires and dragons even without his assistance, but he wasted his time on main quests instead of becoming rich and live peacefully in marriage at home.
Actually, its anyone who chooses to take the Rueful Axe
i thought the mask was better i don’t remember honestly
Skyrim's biggest idiot is the Empire. Ulfrik killed High King Torig in a legal dual but rather than continue business as usual, the Empire immediately moved to illegally arrest Ulfrik, igniting the Skyrim Civil War when they needed a united Empire. When they capture Ulfrik along with a couple of random guys, without trial they move to execute them all, again against their own laws. They try to kill a person found in the vicinity who wasn't listed with any crimes and who turned out to be the Dragonborn. And don't get me started on the general they sent who openly mocks the culture of the people he's supposed to be bringing back under the Empire's control!
Paarthurnax: Alduin is dead, time to teach the remaining dragons the peaceful way
Delphine: No he's evil kill him
Dragonborn: ... and that's why pregnant women shouldn't drink skooma, people like Delphine will be born
0:50 nah. thats the game devs fault. he cares about his people's protection a lot.
While Rolf IS stupid (mostly about harassing someone who could probably get him unemployed and homeless), racism in Skyrim is must lower and tamer than in any previous TES game.
Say that to Empire-lovers, those guys would not pass any option to tarnish any faction wanting independence, even if said option is ultra-nit-picked or even fabricated.
Khajiit are banned from urban areas, and Argonians are banned from entering Windhelm proper. Morrowind had slavery, so it was definitely worse. Racism in Cyrrodill was present, but it was generally depicted as undesirable and not necessarily mainstream. There was the religious lady who made the city guides, and I think one of the Countesses was a psychopath (If I'm remembering correctly).
Not in Oblivion it wasn't. Morrowind, however
Nords have every right to be racist, how long this discussion is gonna last? It's their land! Everyone else came here of their own free will, so they have to respect whatever nords are doing.
@@zehkiel8018 You should visit Bruma and talk to local guards. Their opinion on Nords being pitiful backward primitives isn't exactly respectful.
In my book, stupid means unintelligent, dimwitted, slow, etc. A person can do stupid things without being stupid. As much as I'd like to recognize Delphine as the stupidest person in the entire world, she doesn't strike me as particularly stupid. She's managed to survive all those years, and that takes some skill and intelligence. It's all the other traits she possesses that really makes me hate her. Characters who put their trust in the Daedra are definetly not the smartest people, but they are most often blinded by the Daedra, and are simply used as pawns by beings much more surerior than themselves. There are, however, one character in Skyrim, whom I consider to be a bit dumber than the average. Jarl Leila! She is easily manipulated by everyone around her, and let's Maven and the Thieves Guild do whatever they want.
Laila is both stupid, incompetent and corrupt.
Why is Baalgruff even on this list
Seriously. He actually respects the dragonborn, which automatically puts him leagues above the intelligence of countless other characters that were absent from this list. If anything, put one of his bratty children on the list, but not Balgruuf.
Conpletly agree He blame Balgriff for issues in the game instead of his actual character
@@VidralliaArchivesOnly one of his kid is bearable. Nobody gonna miss that little bitch and that Mephala kid. Plus the Ebony Blade is useless even at max forging, with the ally killing and all that. Thank god for Killable Children.
Well, he's not really an idiot, but way too passive and timid, which endangers his people. But compared to most of the other jarls (who are practically almost all stupid), he is one of the smartest and definitely one of the nicest.
Miraak: loses to a dragon priest, saved by a daedric prince
miraak: time to betray a daedric prince
the bandits that try to attack you after witnessing you kill a dragon
Delphine after seeing a really big and scary dragon reviving another: It must be the altmers!
I don’t particularly like Delphine for everything that’s already been covered, but I can at least see some of her potential reasonings no matter if I don’t agree with them.
Astrid literally thought the father of someone they killed was going to leave them be….seriously? She brought that fate upon herself and I think that’s what makes her the stupidest.
Proventus, the Steward at Dragonsreach, explains why Balgruuf hasn't been putting as much defences around the Hold as he should. It's because Balgruuf won't declare that he's for the Imperials. Proventus is reluctant to even send more guards to Riverwood in case the Jarl of Falkreath gets nervous and thinks Balgruuf is amassing a Stormcloak invasion force.
Delphine for asking (or telling, more like) me to kill paarthurnaax. I turn on the blades every. Single. Time.
There is a mod that allows you, the dragonborn and therefore leader of the blades, to put your foot down and tell her you will not kill paarthunax, and she drops the matter. Should have been in the base game.
@@bradencampbell464And its voiced too, pretty awesome. Never gonna leave my mod list. No delusional Karen gonna tell me go and kill my old buddy Partysnacks.
@@bradencampbell464I know I’m late but do you know the name of the mod / where it is?
@@SkOGinger Unfortunately, I don't remember
On my first playthrough I never got to see the Dark Brotherhood. I was like: "who this woman think she is trapping me here and forcing me to do this? You know what, there is a 4th choice.
The 4 bandits that just saw the Dragonborn fight off an army of dragons with only his voice and think its time to rob him.
Also a fun detail is that when mentioning Savos to the Telvanni wizard Neloth he says that Savos isn’t even good enough to be his apprentice
“Ur not gonna kill me” 🏃♂️💨
“Halt. Archers”🗣️
Tullius for serving up his own people on a platter to the Thalmor, thinking that he'd somehow be exempt in the end.
The player for following the story😂
It's me, for doing whatever I'm told and letting those incompetent leaders boss me around without question
Delphine is the type of person to complain about a teammate that is carrying the whole match.
The player character.
What would make you think that?
If you pick nord race well yeah probably, DNA dont lie.
@@shonenjump-lk3hl Oh, I dunno, free will?
@@xl54U1lx I never pick nord.
@@xl54U1lx Seething Imperial detected. Keep kissing piss elf boots, merchant.
Can’t stop binging your content bro, top notch thanks for keeping them coming 💯
General Tullius. Great tactician, terrible strategist, useful idiot. Instead of creating a ceasefire and moving to make a free or at least calm in Skyrim while consolidating Stormcloaks and Imperials to purge the Thalmor, he kicked the bee hive by trying to illegally execute Ulfric. His stupid actions shape the entire narrative of the game.
I still dont have the achievement for killing Parthernax. I can live without it.
When a mod is created to resolve how dumb of a situation the player is presented with because of a single character, that character will always be biggest idiot. Without question, Delphine.
* Random Khajiit thief trying to rob me *
Thief: alright hand over your valuables, or I gut you like a fish.
* Me wearing the literal remains of a dragon, glowing like a nirnroot and with shouts that can stop time and with the capacity of transforming into a werewolf *
Me: are you f*cking dumb?
Mercer Frey and Thonar aren't really that dumb.
Mercer had the guild under his thumb and Karliah constantly looking over her shoulder, he also correctly identified the Dragonborn as the only thorn in his side that he didn't account for. The fatal mistake he made was thinking Karliah's greed for his death would win over justice for Gaius, which was his one flaw: Greed. His greed eventually spelled his downfall and dying in his true heist is the icing on the cake. Also Nocturnal doesn't really care that much, she didn't even kill Dereloth for stealing the cowl and for a thief anonymity is actually a huge boon.
Thonar is also smart for imprisoning Madanach, keeping an enemy leader in hand's reach of an execution, is a good deterrent against rogue threats like the Forsworn. Unlike other threats, Forsworn leadership can easily be replaced, yet Madanach's leadership is superb and it's shown abundantly clear Markarth is actually safer because the Forsworn have to tread carefully, or they lose a leader worth their salt. By having Madanach alive, they can push for negotiation or delays, whilst maintaining authority in The Reach. The big flaw comes from how they just shoved all the Forsworn together, allowing them to gather strength much more easily. Also, unlike Thonar, Madanach is more charismatic and down to earth when you deal with him, which makes it obvious that most non-forsworn locked up with him would most definitely support him.
Yeah I felt like Mercer was the only competent person in that guild, and the only one actually doing any thieving. I joined up to steal stuff, not be part of a religious cult.
The courier is on my list as number 1 numpty.. interrupts the one person who can take out dragons and let's him die over 100 gold 😅
Logrolf the Willful is super underrated. He’s actually a complete dumbass. Spends years giving Molag Bal the biggest middle finger possible just to submit his soul to him as if he wasn’t going to immediately get killed anyway and sent straight to Molag Bal’s crib for an eternity of torture
The biggest idiot is actually the Dragonborn. No one fucks around and finds out more than the Dragonborn.
Elisif. Just listen to her plans when talking to her advisors.
I'd have put Mogrul on the list, he really shouldn't have put a debt on the one who defeated Miraak. And claiming the guards will put a bounty on your head if you draw on him... Will a bounty on hour head help his grow back?
Giving 1000 septims to Mogrul or giving 1000 septims to the guards if we fail at sneak killing him ...
Easy to find the best choice XD
@@martinquennery5336 Yeah, on top of that, sometimes the bounty for killing Mogrul is only 40 septims. Can be the same with Ondolemar.
Double crossing a Daedric prince is definitely a top-tier stupid move as he's in for an eternity of torture, he's just lucky he didn't do that to a scarier prince like Molag Bal.