These conversations are much better than normal shootouts because with these conversations you can understand which bike really fits you. I personally believe that all bikes are really good but because of so many variations and kinds of riders( lever, height, weight etc) is really good to know the details
Yup that Yamaha platform since 2023 is very hard to beat in stock form, and all bikes are expensive. I love my yz450f 2023 and wouldn't change it for anything. But i am curious to try the 2025 updates.
I agree with you guys. I have 5 hours on the 2025 Honda CRF450R and the biggest issue is the soft suspension. Once I stiffened up the springs, you could feel how good the new chassis is.
@@jpesicka492 says a tester who can probably qualify for a national. past Honda's were too stiff. so did we drop 3 spring sizes? if so, fine, it would be too soft. but most vet guys lap times are well below pro class times... senior guys may find the bike just right.
52:12 what dealer is the one you can’t speak of? Now I’m curious. What kind of practices could be so bad that we shouldn’t buy a bike at this unnamed dealership?
All the advances in these motorcycles over 20 years of technology don't mean a damn thing on the trail 😤... The two bikes I came up on while riding the Rubicon were of the last two years of production... All of the magazine reviews of my 2000 CR125 made it an actual turd... But the motorcycle manufacturer industry cannot entice me to buy their new machinery for as long as I've owned this bike😅 I've read all of your reviews... They're entertaining!
@tcmx712 as someone that has a lot of bikes new and old, the differences are not as great as you think. Many people think the 2022yz 450 is better than the new bike in the handling department. That's strictly an opinion, but both ClubMX and Star use a swingarm off a 17 450, among other things, to calm it down.
Usually the best bet in the long term. Parts. Lasts the longest. Resale. Reputation. Yamaha next. Yamaha is usually very close to honda in the same way.
@@HailMich Not stock man. LOL. and I have a KTM with a KYB fork and man it's a great bike but some people don't want to spend another $2K on suspension which I get and therefore the Yamaha is a really good choice.
@@jake981 I’ve owned bikes my whole life at least 10 new ones and plenty of used ones and the new KTM are far superior then Yamaha. The 2 stroke KTM is light years ahead of Yamahas. The 4 strokes are little closer but KTM seem to handle better and be a touch faster. Now I’d take a Yamaha over Honda or Kawasaki and definitely a Suzuki but at the track there is always 3-1 KTM then any other brand.
@@HailMich Oh I agree with you man! I just got a new GG from the 23.4 KTM as they're my favorite bikes overall. Once you put a spring fork on them they're amazing. I was just saying that they are expensive and the YZ seems like a solid choice to just buy a bike and ride. LOL.
Like any other product, manufacturers are always looking to improve their products , that's completely normal . I'm sure next years bikes will have improvements as well .
Yeah right i am 65 yrs old and still ride dirt bikes and this shit is never going to stop the manus pay you to say how great there bikes are. and after you get paid. And we go out and buy thes bikes becuze you sed how great they are after a few mth go buy then you tell us that thes thes bikes suck and have all kinds of problums
All I know is the dirtbike world is changing all around me, but the 90's were the best time to race. Today all the bikes are very good and ride very similar. I have a 2022 450 Yamaha after buying a new bike every year since 1979, and I can say that the new bikes since 2011 or so really aren't much different. I bought a YZ 125 this year and parked my 450 in the barn. I'm slower on it, but it's much more fun than my 450. At 65, I am into just having fun today
These conversations are much better than normal shootouts because with these conversations you can understand which bike really fits you. I personally believe that all bikes are really good but because of so many variations and kinds of riders( lever, height, weight etc) is really good to know the details
Yup that Yamaha platform since 2023 is very hard to beat in stock form, and all bikes are expensive.
I love my yz450f 2023 and wouldn't change it for anything. But i am curious to try the 2025 updates.
23’s were better for motocross I feel.
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I agree with you guys. I have 5 hours on the 2025 Honda CRF450R and the biggest issue is the soft suspension. Once I stiffened up the springs, you could feel how good the new chassis is.
so its the perfect vet bike as is.
Did you adjust valving too or just went stiffer on springs ? What’s your weight ?
@@yukonjon5964no he said it’s too soft and you want to get it resprung at the least.
@@jpesicka492 says a tester who can probably qualify for a national. past Honda's were too stiff. so did we drop 3 spring sizes? if so, fine, it would be too soft. but most vet guys lap times are well below pro class times... senior guys may find the bike just right.
#BlueCru for lyfe
Blu Cru baby
52:12 what dealer is the one you can’t speak of? Now I’m curious. What kind of practices could be so bad that we shouldn’t buy a bike at this unnamed dealership?
Swap you gotta time stamp the vid!
I think they want people to watch the entire discussion instead of just bouncing around .
Please tab your videos with topics and time segments. Thanks
Kneedeep in knowledge here
Great information, thanks for the help. I am a Honda guy since 65, S-90.
All the advances in these motorcycles over 20 years of technology don't mean a damn thing on the trail 😤... The two bikes I came up on while riding the Rubicon were of the last two years of production... All of the magazine reviews of my 2000 CR125 made it an actual turd... But the motorcycle manufacturer industry cannot entice me to buy their new machinery for as long as I've owned this bike😅 I've read all of your reviews... They're entertaining!
Old bikes are cool too
Of course it doesn't make a difference on the trail, these are motocross track bikes
@tcmx712 as someone that has a lot of bikes new and old, the differences are not as great as you think. Many people think the 2022yz 450 is better than the new bike in the handling department. That's strictly an opinion, but both ClubMX and Star use a swingarm off a 17 450, among other things, to calm it down.
Where do we catch the rankings ? Thanks
full shootout feature should be up monday!
No time stamps?????? Smh
I respect what you guys say , however I will only buy the Honda.
Usually the best bet in the long term. Parts. Lasts the longest. Resale. Reputation. Yamaha next. Yamaha is usually very close to honda in the same way.
It’s a great bike!
I’d only buy Yamaha or Honda
You all picked Yamaha #1 but is that the bike you would buy?
yes
Hell no. I like Yamaha but KTM is way better
@@HailMich Not stock man. LOL. and I have a KTM with a KYB fork and man it's a great bike but some people don't want to spend another $2K on suspension which I get and therefore the Yamaha is a really good choice.
@@jake981 I’ve owned bikes my whole life at least 10 new ones and plenty of used ones and the new KTM are far superior then Yamaha. The 2 stroke KTM is light years ahead of Yamahas. The 4 strokes are little closer but KTM seem to handle better and be a touch faster. Now I’d take a Yamaha over Honda or Kawasaki and definitely a Suzuki but at the track there is always 3-1 KTM then any other brand.
@@HailMich Oh I agree with you man! I just got a new GG from the 23.4 KTM as they're my favorite bikes overall. Once you put a spring fork on them they're amazing. I was just saying that they are expensive and the YZ seems like a solid choice to just buy a bike and ride. LOL.
Very disappointing not to see the Beta. I guess it's important to try to be one of the first shootouts.
And then next year you people say how much better the new bike is.
Like any other product, manufacturers are always looking to improve their products , that's completely normal . I'm sure next years bikes will have improvements as well .
I can never understand why the mags/media focus on 450s twice as much as the 250s when I see far more 250s at the track
This year all of the 450s arrived first. The 250 shootout can’t happen until early November as the Kawasaki and triumph will be late. Makes sense?
@@swapmotolive. Yeah makes sense, just always seems they get a lot more focus and testing through the year but might be my imagination.
Yeah right i am 65 yrs old and still ride dirt bikes and this shit is never going to stop the manus pay you to say how great there bikes are. and after you get paid. And we go out and buy thes bikes becuze you sed how great they are after a few mth go buy then you tell us that thes thes bikes suck and have all kinds of problums
Darrel did you forget to take your meds today?
All I know is the dirtbike world is changing all around me, but the 90's were the best time to race. Today all the bikes are very good and ride very similar. I have a 2022 450 Yamaha after buying a new bike every year since 1979, and I can say that the new bikes since 2011 or so really aren't much different. I bought a YZ 125 this year and parked my 450 in the barn. I'm slower on it, but it's much more fun than my 450. At 65, I am into just having fun today
Yamaha
See Husqvarna should be the winner 🏆
No Gypsy….good call.
I guess you guys worked out his knowledge is very limited.