'There is no defense': Parkland shooter Nikolas Cruz's own lawyer calls it 'worst case imaginable'
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2022
- Nikolas Cruz killed 17 people at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14, 2018. Attorneys for Cruz told jurors that this case is "arguably the worst case imaginable" and that "there is no defense for his crimes" but it is up to the jury to listen to all of the information before deciding whether Cruz should live or die.
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I feel for this lawyer. I wonder when she was in law school if she ever thought she would have to defend a mass murdering school shooter.
No one does until it happens.
If I was her I’d never support or fight for one
@@kanchanandrew Not that simple or easy when you're in that line of work. It's easy for us to judge and wonder why anyone would be his defense lawyer. I can promise you it isn't because they like him. It's very complex.
@@kanchanandrew when you’re a public defender you don’t get a choice.
Defense attorneys are disgusting. They know how good the pay is or notoriety from the case. They know the job is trying to get horrific people back on the street or the best outcome possible. It's gross
She did a fantastic job advocating for her client while also acknowledging what he did was absolutely heinous and evil. I can’t imagine being in that (very public) position as an attorney but she handled it so well.
Amen
100% agreed.
fully agree
Nobody should feel compelled to defend anyone. If literally nobody wants to defend you, then the people have already spoken. If there's even a chance of your innocence, an up and coming lawyer, somewhere, will take the case. otherwise, why are we even here? For once let's just make this simple and hang the bad guy already.
Yes I thought so also .
The fact that he doesn’t want the death penalty is all the reason in the world he should get it. That’s my final statement to the jury.
I saw lock him in a room alone with the parents and let them deal with him
@@Medellin31 even better sent him to Russia!
Right. If punishment is always what you want, its not punishment. So give him what he fears most for when he unloaded his rifle into the faces of helpless teenagers.
Did the state make their statement yet? I hope they say this..
@@Kweghp exactly those kids didn’t want death either and the families didn’t ask for life in absolute grief without parole
The patience these family members have to be in the same room as him and not choke him is incredible. Shoutout to those strong amazing people.
Yes they probably want to choke and beat the hell out of that little puny but they have to control themselves otherwise it's going to prolong the trial more...they just want to get over that nightmare and I can't blame them...
Fully agree
I agree
I agree
After such a long time, no one sustains that level of rage.
Law school doesn't prepare you for these type of statements. When you review case studies you never think you'll have to ever defend this person. This councilwoman has a hell of a position to uphold
How hard is it to speak deeply about a situation? You don’t need to go to school to know how to speak publicly about a hard situation
It's not a person
It doesn’t?!!
They should though. We're all broken human beings capable of the worst crimes by nature if it's not for education and laws.
What! then what is the point of law school am sure she has had many of these type of defends techniques before her instructor!
I see exhausted family members both spiritually, mentally and physically. My prayers go out to the victims and the members.
the most meaningless thing you could have possibly said
I agree, grief is exhausting enough, then having to sit through this whole trial.
@@zach3955 Acknowledging the families and wishing them well is meaningless to you? Good grief, get a life.
Spiritually 😴😴😴
“Don’t forget about me!” ~You
I think it’s important that everyone understands that if his lawyer doesn’t do her absolute best Cruz could try to get a retrial or have a mistrial due to ineffective assistance of counsel. Then every single person impacted, especially those who gave an impact statement would be subjected to the entire process again. The building they are waiting to tear down once the trial is over would have to stand longer. That type of trauma would be unfathomable.
They actually tearing down the court house?
@@beetle0164 ,
No, the school building where 14 children were slaughtered, and 3 teachers were killed trying to stop the killer.
The building is in the middle of the school campus. My kids, who are students there now, have to pass it every day. It needs to go NOW!
No defense no trial, simple, someone has to do the nasty work.
Death sentence will be a redemption, let him live.
@@beetle0164 dopey
I am really impressed with this lawyer. Somehow she has figured out a way to acknowledge the victims and the victims’ families of this monster’s crimes, while at the same time doing their job as defense attorneys to advocate for this jerk. Somehow she is able to convey this in a very respectful way. I really admire this lawyer. And I have seen so many defense attorneys’ closing arguments that have made me cringe or annoyed me.
His legal team is one of the best because he inherited $800,000 from his adoptive mother.
I agree
And I’m sure that even through their blind rage, the families know what the lawyers have to do, without feeling disrespected
Obvious statement, I know, but just felt the need to say that
A lot of people come out of law school trained to never concede a point, never empathize. And then there are the rare ones like her who know how disarming honesty and empathy can be. I still don't think she's likely to sway jurors, but she showed them and families a lot of respect, and gave them a lot more to chew on and grapple with than most lawyers would.
@@TopDownDC I totally agree.
@@blessall8856 He conceded his $400k which means his brother inherited it. His attorneys are not paid for by him or his family. They are court appointed paid by the publics tax dollars.
This whole situation is beyond sad .
Same with your gun laws.
@@davidg1087 ?
@@davidg1087 make guns illegal and you criminalize law abiding citizens that can stop something like this, like that shopping mall hero a couple weeks ago. Also you create a black market for the Mexican cartels, and it would be even easier to get them in a lot of places. You can point out places where gun bans have worked, but there are way more guns than people in America, not the same situation. Before you call me a gun nut, I don’t own one but I wouldn’t want the gov telling me I can’t with useless cops and crime on the rise, not to mention it would literally create a second civil war.
@@davidg1087 you're a fool
@@HerculesLoyd better laws doesn't equal illegal in general. Allowing regular people to own military weap.ons with b.ullets is the issue. Our four fathers didn't know about sem.i automatics. Please look up Aaron Stark's recent interviews. Also thank you for replying tactfully.
I find it unbearable to even look at his pathetic, poor me face. He absolutely relished his mission to become famous, to become somebody who's name would be remembered in the future for his horrific massacre that day. He has got what he wanted finally, he's famous, and I see absolutely no reason to show him mercy and give him life ! He has truly earned the DP by his despicable acts against innocent children and their families, and I only hope he does not have years to wait for it.
I agree. There’s no remorse. He’s evil.
Thing is, it’s the families of the victims that will be constantly re traumatised if he gets DP. They will have to show up for every appeal and every hearing to fight for DP to go through. I say, either the families should get to decide if they want to deal with that, or give him LWP and let him rot in obscurity like he deserves.
@@makslargu5799 considering the many MANY things stacked against him, there should be no grounds for appeal, they should stick with whatever sentence they choose (preferably death) and refuse to budge further on it
No matter what she says about his prenatal nightmare there are still 17 people murdered by this guy. He seemed perfectly normal and clear when he talked about “everyone will know who he is” vídeo so this argument is irrelevant.
@@lowhp_comic Of course this kid deserves it, no question about it, but a death penalty appeal is different than normal appeals... I could be wrong but I think a person is allowed to appeal the death penalty no matter what any judge says. I think the laws should be changed and for specific crimes such as this a quick death penalty is warranted with no appeals and none of this long drawn out process.
I note he’s not sitting there doodling whilst his lawyer is speaking, not like when his victim’s families were pouring their hearts out on the stand.
Because he's coldy self-absorbed.
I doubt the people he killed would have cared that he was hurting so much inside to the point of a wanting to commit massacre. I see dudes say things, loners and nobody cares. School ended and they rot well into their 20s and 30s with no woman, just left with the bad experiences from high school. They show all the same signs as this kid, but nobody cares. These people are lashing out at old high school bullies over social media in their 20s/30s.
He never paid attention to the families on the stand. Now he's paying attention to his attorney who is advocating for his life.... I don't even believe in capital punishment, but this is the first time in my life I actually thi k it's the way to go... Says alot.
It's easy to say you're for or against something in theory, until you see something so heinous or unfair that you change your mind.
U must have just now started paying attention to what’s happening in the world if this is what caused u to all of a sudden believe in capital punishment
Me too. Ive been against the death penalty my whole life BUT when there is absolutely no doubt who committed the crime and the fact the hurt hundreds of people, he should die.
And in my opinion, if he was TRULY sorry or had any remorse, he would have killed himself.
I volunteer to throw the switch
He sat and plugged his ears and closed his eyes when they played video of him murdering his classmates. He has no empathy or sympathy for anyones life he took or the loved ones and families of the loved ones.
He knew what he was doing. He planned it. He bragged about it. He ran away after it was over and went and got a slurpy and acted like he did nothing. He had and has decision making capacity.
And went they caught him and was handcuffing him he played dumb. I don't recall his exact words but something like what's going on and the cop told him to shut up.
@@-greentoad "The demons, man!" "Voices"
And he is still feeding off all the attention. Makes me sick.
@@sA-ny2jl I've heard the only reason he stopped was because the gun got jammed
I feel nothing but sympathy for all of his lawyers. I can't imagine having to interact with that monster for months.
You feel sorry for people who are getting payed buckets of money?
@@youngsquad3868 They arent, they’re public defence attorneys..
@@Rowlol someone still has to pay them pal.
@@youngsquad3868 yea we the people.😭
@Young Squad public defenders definitely don't make buckets of money
The fact that he can sit there and sip his water and breathe air makes me sick to my stomach.
His victims can not sip water or breath air.
@@Jman417 fr no way ?
@@Jman417 I thought they could
@@Jman417 you must be a giga genius OR CAPTAIN OBVIOUS
And, he covers his ears and face, whenever he is indifferent and/or arrogant!
That's one hell of a defense lawyer.
She's well paid to spin this narrative of poor Cruz. Giving all the excuses as to why this piece of garbage did what he did. She is patronizing the jury, telling them how good they are and that they will do the right thing. I hope they all vote for the death penalty. THAT and that alone is justice.
If he's so damaged then why keep him in captivity? Put his lights out
💯
They only problems with that as others have pointed out..he'll sit on death row for years.
@@katemaxwell2804 you clearly didn't read the comment
It took 17 lives and injured others the death penalty ☠️ every last one these people had a parent who loved and cared about their children. When he went in there and shot them up he didn't care about their life, parents or anybody else.
Nicolas has no remorse what so ever . He did exactly what he said he was going to do . killed innocent children and adults .
given the opportunity he would do it again no doubt, hes already attacked a prison guard
I think this lawyer has handled this a well and as ethically as can be expected.
The more I learned about him it made him look worse. Decent life with average struggles and wanted to hurt people just to hurt them.
Psh “average struggles “ dude was a millionaire at 19 because of his adopted mother and decided to be a k!ller ! Like he was more blessed than 99% of the population with that money ! And he chose to ruin his life and do this
@@cb.1212 he seems to be slow…but not mentally ill. Being homicidal doesn’t mean mentally ill. You don’t have to have mental issues to kill. Some people are just assholes. Not crazy just selfish and mean. He didn’t speak of demons the entire shooting, he didn’t mention demons to the subway worker or to the kid at McDonald’s. Then the cops arrest him and he cry’s demons. He’s not insane. He’s full of crap. He could 100% be depressed. I have depression and I get angry but I haven’t planned a mass murder.
@@yamiyo6050 he had average struggle still. Not average finances.
“We are all profoundly affected” Objection, Personal Stories “Individuals are all profoundly affected”
ROFL, for some reason that killed me. Man it must suck to be that lady. This is clearly against her morals. But she’s as stuck as stuck can be with this steaming turd stinking up her life.
don't even understand the point in objecting just let her talk lol everyone in that court room knows he deserves death
I don't really see why I have to care so much when kids get shot in school because five years prior it would have been legal to kill them in the womb. FOH stop acting like the value of life is so high, life is worth at least about as much as that 90 dollars the government gives to Pfizer everytime a kid risks heart disease because of a money laundering scheme. I get we can't let it go because then everyone will just go around killing random people for random reasons but stop acting like I have to boohoo when life is lot when all of you have been showing me the actual value of a innocent life whether it's in the womb or I'm he doctors office at 5 years old the value of life is a joke when its revealed to you through societies actions.
She is a public defender certified to handle death sentences so every client is probably a turd
I’m just saying if he doesn’t get the death penalty then they might as well just get rid of it.
Seriously
Seriously. If this doesn't warrant it, nothing does.
@@kurtdewittphoto especially considering it’s Florida. You don’t play around in Florida or Texas
@@kurtdewittphoto Agree. No taxpayer should have to foot the bill for him spending his life in prison. He deserves the death penalty for what he has done.
ugh I know
He laughed. He bragged. He boasted
Death penalty.
Whether he gets life or death, his life is over. The families will move on, and he won’t. I personally don’t care what happens to him but I want the families to heal.
I think this attorney did a great job here establishing credibility with the jury. She’s got a tough job.
Why should he get to live when he wiped out the lives of 17 people and almost more? He’s a coward .He’s a narcissist and he enjoyed what he did. Now he’s got his wish of being famous. Just because he had a terrible upbringing doesn’t give him the right to murder anyone! Despicable crime and I feel so much for the victims and their families. RIP to them
life would be more of a punishment especially at his young age
Word he’ll have to watch life pass by him that he could’ve lived and has to forever be in prison til the day he reaches his death day.
So you want to punish someone for committing murder by murdering them? Dont you see the irony in that?
Nobody is murdering him. It’s punishment decided by a jury. He knew exactly what he did by coldly eliminating all those lives. Until gun laws change in America this will continue.....
@@phillipjrgensen1024 so what's your solution
I’ve been a defense attorney for 15 years and I love my job but I would certainly be “conflicted” out from representing Nicolas Cruz - I feel so much for this community 🙏
Is there an option to not defend and have someone else defend instead?
it's not about representing nicholas cruz its more about defending the constitution and the rights of all individuals to make the prosecution and government do their job to convict someone. I would try everyway possible to be a thorn in the governments side. as thomas jefferson said he would rather see 12 guilty men go free than 1 innocent person go to jail. what this penalty is really about is who the people of florida really are. do we belive in the death penalty still?
@@woof_artist3598 For “me,” as a licensed professional, it’s about representing the client, who in this case happens to be Mr. Cruz. Unfortunately, given the facts and circumstances of this case, this representation is something I could not ethically undertake.
@@renecantu684 thanks for clarifying
It would have been impossible for most lawyers to stomach defending him on the charges. I'm relieved he pled guilty. In this phase, I guess the real question for any lawyer would be what they think of the death penalty. If I were Cruz, I think I'd want a lawyer who honestly grapples with it.
That was a great opening statement...he is very lucky to have her as his lawyer.
his lawyer sitting beside him looks genuinely disgusted when he started talk, can't imagine having to try to get this guy a lesser sentence
He is pure evil and since he loves the Devil so much, let him go to his father of sin.
Exactly!
I can't imagine being a defense lawyer where you have to do your job for a monster
It’s tough but someone has to do it
Why do evil monsters even get lawyers? Doesn’t make sense to me.
@@forestfairy352 me either, the law is twisted. There shouldn’t be an argument over something that’s clear as day
@@forestfairy352 yeah I’m questioning that too. It’s so dumb
@@forestfairy352 Then the US Constitution must not make sense to you. And if not, then what do you think America is?
Rest in peace to all the victims.
Unfortunately American society still debates adding to the kill count/victims
Good thing I’m not on that jury. She’s right “there is no defense to these crimes”. I have seen many damaged ppl but they are not mass murderers.
That's the only thing that needed to be said in the first place. That one line " there's no defense for this case" on Day 1 of this trial. IMHO
Clearly, we do not need MANY to participate in heinous crimes in order to be concerned with what goes on in the minds of individuals who do them. We do not need MANY to commit heinous crimes in order for there to be large amounts of damage. We better start looking deep within. The answers are there. Any questions we have can be answered, but it is not easy. We just have to let logic and love lead us in the right direction. We need both.
My heart hurts so bad for family and friends of this community 🥺🙏❤️
(gives u a cookie, their ur happy lol
She did an amazing job. But I can't get over the families of the victims. No one should ever go through this. Ever
I would hate being in the jury, seeing the families having the pain of losing their loved ones being brought up, and the seeing the person who did it.
She’s an excellent lawyer. I’m sure she’s not sleeping well. I can’t imagine having to hear these things as a parent or sibling listening on.
I couldn’t be a lawyer, money is good but I can’t imagine having to defend a monster .
Try civil court
I think his lawyer is really struggling to defend him. I feel like even she wants him to be sentenced to death. I didn't think I agreed with the death penalty until I saw this case.
Marlin Joseph just got sentenced to death in Florida for “only” killing two people. Why shouldn’t NC get DP for murdering 17??
Probably because not every jury has the same opinions about different cases/defendants. If you want all jury's to be what you wanted them to be then the justice system would be ruled by a single opinionated mallet and would just be a dictatorship.
I just find it so offensive how he can plan this massacre months in advance, how he actually caught an Uber and went through with it, how he could run with the rest of the victims after committing such a heinous crime all while acting like he’s one of them; how he can go eat like he’s done nothing; how he can have the nerve to ask for a ride so he could get away; how he insulted people who actually have to deal with audio hallucinations by pretending to have the same to spare his own life; how he could sit months in court showing no empathy while family members had to relive the horror he caused them unnecessarily; how he gave his victims very little eye contact except for maybe when someone would occasionally show the witnesses gun shot wounds they received because of him; how he had the audacity to cover his ears so he wouldn’t have to hear what those he victimized that day had to hear and are still haunted by; and how all of a sudden when his defense attorney is trying to defend him he’s not drawing, but looking up. May God deal with him.
Yes, by sending him into the darkest corner of hell
If he believes in God which you do I assume, even someone like him can be forgiven by God if he repents to Christ for forgiveness. Because Satan is the reason why there is death and despair on earth. But ofcourse God has a plan to end Satan's dominion over earth.
Welcome to America where we breed these lunatics and give them weapons of war to massacre a bunch of children in school classrooms. This isn't just the fault of Nick Cruz but also the gun fetish culture that we established to allow such horrific event to happen.
@@khadajhin596 you're not wrong my brother
If there were a god, it wouldn’t have let any of that happen. Wake up and realize the world is chaos. His circumstances created a monster, and no one was there to stop it. When it’s your child, go ahead and pray about it.
It doesn’t matter who shaped him, those families will never get their kids back. There’s no justice to be had.
You can have the worst childhood and teenage life but you cannot go around shooting children and adults…thats the bottom line.
This shouldn't be a trial to determine whether he is put to death or not but how many times he's revived and put to death again. The amount of people he has destroyed by his actions is a damn shame.
This. His plugging his ears to not have to listen to what he had done sealed my opinion.
Its scary to think life (without the possibility of parole) is a slap on the wrist for this monster.
Its the perfect punishment, he is begging for death penalty because hes already hating the thought og the rest ofhis life locked up, day in day out, living with the memories. Perfect sentence
I have a lot of respect for this attorney. What a difficult position that must be.
Also, I wonder what he asked his other attorney for her to give him that look. 😳
That would be interesting to know what he asked.
I’m ready for this to be over already it’s so horrific
Me too. Verdict: death penalty.
I am impressed with this defense teams representation. They are crossing all Ts and dotting all Is to ensure this thing can’t claim inadequate representation and force these families back into court for a retrial. Has to be tough to defend this thing, but in a way they are defending the families in the long run.
They have very little to work with. He is a coward of a little man
My thoughts exactly
@@Jman417 He plead guilty and took responsibility. Coward? I think not.
Well said
@@bubbamaster3116 Coward might not be the right word, Evil is more appropriate.
Woah... a defense lawyer with empathy?! Impressive.
I truly think he deserves the DP. He made so many people suffer..😔 and he seems to not give af about it.. But instead loving all the attention..
I agree.
@@blacksteel8914 Your comment is incomprehensible. What are you trying to say and how does it relate to OP? Because it looks like just incoherent rambling.
@@Thurston86 English probably isn’t their first language. This is the World Wide Web. Just think about that before responding. Does it actually matter?
@@Thurston86 um not everyone speaks English first. Get a clue
Minecraft
Amazing work madame council!
No easy deed providing a monster with their legally protected defense.
As a public defender, you outshine even the most sought after lawyers who are paid millions.
Thank you for serving the course of Justice.
The look the lawyer gave him lol but in all seriousness his defense team have been under so much scrutiny mainly because of him! But DP is appropriate because he planed out the whole shooting very meticulously! He meant and had intention behind Valentine’s Day and the shooting.
Same lawyer that cried during a testimony… she likely has children of her own.
What about James Holmes?
Don’t give him an out…he’s young and I feel life would be a worse punishment…just the thought of being locked up 23 hours a day for another 70-80 years if he lives to 100 say sounds like a way worse punishment to me.
They will deal with nick in prison he is not going anywhere the iron gates the wired fences the cell he lives in his is home for his life
can't say I believe in the DP, glad I am not on that jury it would be really tough knowing you voted to kill him or maybe take a chance that sometime in the future he might get out of prison , I know life with no parole but who knows what the future holds scarry for sure
Listen, I’m against the death penalty for moral, and religious reasons, but every argument she presented to the jurors was really insulting, in my opinion. He is the only one responsible for his actions. There are plenty of people who grow up in less than great circumstances, and they don’t do what he did. I feel for these families who are sitting here, listening to this. It’s grotesque. I know it’s their job to defend him, but his actions are really indefensible.
However these people are not him. You cant treat people the same way just because they had similar experiences. People have different circumstances in life.
This is just so tragic all the way around.
Ugh I can't imagine being one of his victims' family and trying to even hear about Nicholas' "pain"! Or anything about his life that could come anywhere close the the pain and suffering he caused.
Really? Because I've found that most people who are victims of horrible crimes desperately want to know why. They want an explanation and closure. It's easier to grieve when you have an answer than to just believe people just do these kinds of things for absolutely no reason.
@@veronniep yeah that's a good point. I didn't think about that. I'm not sure if would work for me. I think I'd feel better knowing justice was served. Yeah idk. Can you really ever get closure from something like this? I see your point though.
No doubt his biological mother was damaged. The mother who raised him and the system did not fail him. He had every opportunity to be a good person but made bad choices. Many, many people have tough breaks but he did not. He was rescued through adoption with parents who did all they could to give him the best they had to offer. They used all avenues available to them to help him. There are many people who have a much worse beginning than this monster and they do not mass murder for attention.
Well having a crack head for a mom when you're a fetus is pretty bad. The best adoptive parents can't fix that or the criminal genes he inherited. Agree with your point but that definitely is a bad hand to be delt
@@baxterandcotton you don't inherit criminal genes. What do you think Australia would be like if you inherited criminal genes? You do, however, suffer irreversible damage if your mother takes drugs including alcohol whilst pregnant.
@@baxterandcotton I agree. He really was dealt a bad hand at birth. He didn’t need any bad parenting or bullying or lost girlfriends in his life to explain his behavior. He was a nightmare from the start. He was not a victim. He was a predator. Chalk it up to bad genes. The same genes that his crack head mother had. We can identify these kids ( and he is no longer a kid) and protect society from them. After 43 police calls to his house someone should have figured it out. It’s not popular to say that some people are born sociopaths but it’s a fact.
Agreed. I was raised by a single mother who was an alcoholic and abusive. And wouldn’t even take care of me at times. I recognized that I wasn’t living the same life as my peers and I sought out help. The second I turned 16 I left and was taken care of by another family and then went on to get a job and take care of myself on my own. I had a very difficult childhood, and I will say I’m not the only one. There is no excuse for his behavior at all. There is always a way to rise through Adversity.
@@TheFunninthesun As the defense attorney noted, presenting Cruz's life factors isn't about excusing Cruz's actions on the day of the shooting or even trying to rationalize them. It is about determining how bad his actions were taking taking into account all factors, both aggravating and mitigating, and then weighing them to determine if a life sentence w/o parole or a death sentence is the appropriate punishment. As noted in this comment thread, Cruz had a crackhead mom who used while he was a fetus. That undoubtedly impacted his physical and mental development and had a ripple effect on the rest of his life. That would be a mitigating factor since, although it absolutely does not excuse or rationalize his actions, it does contextualize how bad Cruz's action are (i.e., if the exact same crimes occurred but Cruz's mother was not a drug user and Cruz did not have his development impacted at all as a result, his actions would be viewed even more unfavorably). The question ultimately is if that mitigating factor and in addition to all the mitigating factors the Cruz's team will present will ultimately persuade even one jury member when all of the aggravating factors (of which there are several) are considered.
This still going on bro? Cmon it ain’t that hard to fucken do the death penalty how are you going to consider life with out parole when he took about 17 lives ? Weird ass justice system
On god bro
Who raised him and who was around him doesn’t matter…….he was an adult when he committed these murders, therefore, was able to make that decision on his own!!!!! I’m so tired of hearing about people commenting crimes because of the way they were raised 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Nobody should be able to take a life but you cannot ignore all the reasons to why they did it. That's why there are laws on child abuse. If you whack a kid in the head everyday till they are 10 they aren't going to be a normal kid lol If a whole school bullies 1 kid for being gay then I don't blame the kid for taking matters into his own hands if nobody is listening. Not as simple as you see it.
Sick of hearing his woe is me I had a bad childhood. Sitting there in his oversized glasses and big clothes, DP is what he deserves end of
@@sharonlyom1458 totally agree!!!!! We’ve all had it rough some days, but damn, we never went out and murdered anyone!!!!! When I was in high school, guys, and sometimes girls, would bring their guns to school so they could go deer hunting when school got out!!!!!
@@Miguel323527 lol, i can't even believe someone would have the audacity to say he didn't blame someone to take matters in his own hand and then go right ahead and shoot random people in a school who probably never even met him or knew who he was?
Lemme make it easier for you to understand since it seems you can't be expected to think logically. Imagine if you(or your siblings or your child) were one of those in that school who either weren't in the bullied person class, or you were in his class but weren't involved. Would it be justice to you or would you think he should not be blamed for putting a bullet in your skull?? It's easy to move your tongue or fingers to say or type unintelligent takes when you don't feel like it affects you.
Yes, bullying or abuse isn't good and should be fought against but that should NEVER be a reason to support or feel like the culprit shouldn't be blamed
I would like to hear the argument as to why he shouldn’t get the death penalty. Why should he breathe any air when 17 people are never going to be able to do that. He knew what he was doing.
Absolutely ✋ He won't suffer enough alive in jail, so the logical choice is death. I just only wish we had harsher ways of administering death to prisoners like this - old, barbaric ways like hanging or beheading sounds, oddly, fitting 🤷🏼♀️. We need to deter this behaviour.
marc S Exactly I never understand why someone would want him to keep living. Do they really think he will suffer in prison? He won’t and he will most likely get solitary confinement! It makes no damn sense why someone would want him to get life in prison.
Coming from somebody who is on the fence when it comes to the death penalty i hope i can explain this well. Part of me says he should face the death penalty because he did an unimaginable act against a lot of innocent people but at the same time the reason people say they would rather him have life in prison is because it means he'd have to sit in a dirty ass cell and think about the stupid act he did for the rest of his life. He would have no friends no interactions other than with guards that don't give 2 shits about him because they know exactly what he did he'd have no respect no company no love no outside luxuries. His only way out would be suicide but more than likely he'd be in solitary confinement which means he would have to suffer alone well into his senior years. And he might be out of it remorseless cold and with no empathy now but after a while even people like him break.
It's literally a matter of do you want him to have a swift death or do you want him to suffer for a very prolonged period of time.
He doesn’t deserve death. And by that, I mean he doesn’t deserve the peace of it.
Unless he were a consistent murderous risk to guards and fellow inmates (yes, he’s attacked them, but no one’s been seriously injured - just put him in solitary) or he gets fanmail and becomes a cultural sensation a la Charles Manson, he doesn’t deserve the death penalty.
Plus all of his appeals against it will probably have him die on death row anyway, I’d rather him he unable to weasel out of things.
One person caused so much grief. The world mourns with the families. The jury has a very difficult decision to make, giving someone life or death situation. There's no turning back once the decision is made. If your a yes juror or a no juror. Some could have religious beliefs that don't believe in the death penalty. All it takes is one to say no. One will say no.
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He looked over to his attorney and was like: "Is she trying to get my ass fried?"
And she is like: "No, its not free fries friday yet."
This is a waste of time, money, resources. Plead guilty to 17 murders. Sentence him to the most severe punishment the state allows and move on
I live down the street from the school that this took place. Never imagined this would hit so close to home. My daughters elementary school at the time went into lock down. The worst part is ,even if he does get the DP, he will sit in death row for years and years. Many times over 20 plus years..
Imagine how long this "trial" would be if it was 34 people !!!
The Constitution guarantees everyone the right to a fair trial. If you have the money you can hire a Private Defense Attorney. If not you are assigned a Public Defender. A PD is one of the crappiest jobs. They always have high case loads and can't devote proper time and preparation for crimes of this nature and magnitude. No matter how much of a monster or heinous of a crime committed these lawyers deserve our respect.
This trial is a complete waste of time and money. Everyone knows he committed the shootings. If he is executed, it doesn't bring back the dead. If he is sentenced to life without parole, it doesn't bring back the dead and tax payers are also sentenced to life for funding his life in prison. Lastly. remember it's the constitution that has allowed every Tom, Dick and Dirty Harry access to firearms, and Nikolas Cruz is a product of the constitution, resulting in innocent deaths. No civilians need guns, that is the job of the police and the military. It may have been necessary in the old wild west, but here today, in a modern 21st Century, no.
@@captricharddee3634 - If you don't like or have issues with our justice system feel free to move .
NO NEED FOR TAX PAYERS TO KEEP HIM UP FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE!! Give him what he gave to so many people.
When she said live Or die.. I felt a chill over my heart ….. this is soo deep
The root cause, really doesn't matter. It might be interesting for a psychologist, but it doesn't change what that person did. The why helps in finding who, but it doesn't change the what.
Well I agree but finding the why can help people who want to go down Cruz’s path find help and prevent this crime from occurring. Although it won’t help much in this case cause the damage is done, we have to hope that people can learn from this and do better next time.
I have so much respect for the jurors and the service that they are doing for our country. What a tough thing to sit through for this long. It’s torturous in itself… to see the heartbroken family, to see the school, to see the videos and pictures, to listen to the hours and days of testimonies… and to make the final decision. I couldn’t imagine.
Not to mention how they have to sit across from the man who brought this upon everyone involved.
@@zster8044 I sat on a jury last September for a murder trial, and it was crazy unnerving every single time the defendant looked our way. My heart goes out to these jurors.
He shot those people down in Cold blood now caring for his life. Children and adults kids that had a future ⛸️🩰🏈🏀🎾🥋🎨🎺🎤🎬💻⚗️💉🩺📡 so many careers to choose from but they can't do that because this man took that life away 😠🤕☠️
Usually I'm behind the life sentences instead of death, but in Niks case it seems death is the ultimate punishment for him, considering how hard he's trying to survive and escape charges like a coward
Death penalty is an easy way out. I say let him get locked in a room alone with the parents and let them enact their punishment upon him. As a father, if I was in that situation, I would be the first to sign up.
Bruh pay attention in class
There is no way to defend him and that's why she brings no arguments forward.
This sounds like an opening statement, but we are clearly beyond that. What am I missing?
In a weird way his life kind of set him up to be... evil. He killed those kids because he wanted others to feel grief and sorrow like he was feeling. But that's honestly not an excuse to save him. He needs the dp in order to be made an example of.
An example won't deter others. It's not an example we need. We need children to be protected, from prenatal life onwards.
@@zeldagoblin and also when they are at school so crazed lunatics don't shoot them to death in class.
@@zeldagoblin oh maybe we should plant a statue of him on the premises of the school. Is that the example we need?
@@MagerialPage Well done for completely misreading and subsequently utterly misrepresenting what I said. I apologise if I was at all unclear. Let me elucidate for you and anyone else who thinks I'm defending this piece of work. Here goes...
This broken toy should be taken out, ended, destroyed. I do not endorse keeping him alive in a box, he's beyond redemption. Ok? Are we clear now?
However, we need to stop absolving abusive parents. They create monsters. The data is in, there's literally no debate, it's all just academic pedantry at this point. Hurting little children creates damaged, broken, often angry and abusive adults. Making examples of others makes no difference to people whose brains are malfunctioning. It's utterly pointless, which was the main point of my original response.
Don't accuse me of defending, much less, glorifying this little worm's actions again, please. That is not necessary and is actually a disgusting thing to accuse a person of, without any reason. You could have just asked me to explain further, which I would obviously have been happy to do.
If you read this far, thank you for taking the time.
The trial doesn't emphasize how much he was bullied. Even his neighbor made fun of him when he was on the stand. Even jails have "protective custody" for the protection of vulnerable inmates. Highschools need to do the same.
Something like this has to affect the rest of her life.
Leave the decision up to the grieving family members in my eyes … easy decision
Well its not easy for the mother who tries to work with him to avoid further school shootings. I think though that he might just use her as a tool to avoid the death penalty, to act like he has any worth.
@@insomnia20422 Do you really think he's smart and manipulative enough? It's possible... But based on his letters, he seems like a child. Of course, it could be an act, but those are still private letters. He just writes and draws like a child. I'm not a mental health professional, nor have I ever spoken to him, but I don't think he has the brains to think through such a plan as to form connections with certain people in hopes to convince the jury of sparing his life. If I remember correctly, he's an avid reader in prison, but the books he reads are children's books with mostly pictures. It could be an act, but if so, he's been pretending to be childlike for several years now.
Cruz lawyer: “ it is Cruz who is the killer ”
Cruz turns to his other lawyer: is she for real ?
Cruz’s other lawyer: “ shakes head, no , it’s not you
Never ending stories with mass murders in school when it's so easy to buy weapons !!!!!!
Her: “he has bowel movements”
Cruz: 🤦🏼♂️
LMAO at the Prosecutor "Objection" at the end 😂
This case is the reason we have the death penalty. It meets all the standards of the death penalty. I’m sure every psychopath on death row could come up with a sad story to try and get out of accountability.
I would love to know what the victims parents say and what outcome they want
Why would a defence laywer choose a case like this in the first place?
Couldn’t watch most of the trial due to low volume
Nikolas is doing a horrible job at feeling sorry for the families, appearing sad or regretful, he’s not expressing that he truly wants life, idk but all we know is either way he’s done
He is enjoying all this attention....it's why he did the murders...he is getting what he wants. When the circus is over and he is rotting in prison waiting on his execution...justice will never be served however maybe the loved ones will be comforted in knowing we tried
Unfortunately he probably doesn’t care. And if he did, it’s solely for his own benefit on if he lives or not. He’ll never really take responsibility for what he did even if he appears to be so. It’s sick. I hope he gets the DP personally but everyone is different.
I think life in prison is a worse punishment than the death penalty.
Until the sentence is given..
Depends.. some want to die so they deserve lie. Others wants to live so they deserve death. You don’t let these monsters have their way..
@@penguinsinorbit2034 But who is telling the truth If they truly wanted to die they would
Depends on how it should go. .... Eye for an eye the same way he gave. Or merciful with quick and painless. I believe I for an eye in this particular case....tied to a pole and have somebody miss the spot a couple times.
it can seem that way, but people are extremely adaptable. He'll get to BE every day, have all his basic needs met, get visits, write letters - he'll probably have a few girlfriends, maybe a wife, gets to eat, sleep, dream, jerk off, joke around, watch tv... he had to die
I think a death sentence is too lenient-life without parole - so he wakes up every morning in prison knowing he will never get out.
His own lawyer says this and still here we are on trial days 87.... just ridiculous
A tragedy of this magnitude deserves the greatest punishment of all. End of story. Maybe in other cases the jury should be lenient but not in this case.
She has to convince the jury not that hes innocent, but she has to humanize him and almost infantilize him. She talked about his life as a baby and his adoption story for so long its almost like she wanted the jury to think an actual baby did this
Yes, she is trying to do all that.
Any criminal has no rights to any lawyer. They only had rights to be in jail forever.
Doesn't want death penalty but caused the death penalty on 17 lives? Yeah. No. Your life isn't more valuable in any way, shape or form.
I feel bad for the defense lawyer even though he is not deserving of life in prison most of these people don’t chose who they will defend
@Shelly Sayers I don’t blame her she probably saw this on the news saying what kind of monster is this and then to be forced to defend him
One cannot blame it on being abused etc, there are millions of people who went through worse and they never murdered anyone. That is no excuse.
Being locked up for the rest of your life is worse than death.
Don’t let this distract you from the Maxwell trial, We want the list.
What a waste of her oxygen representing this evil individual. I hope and pray justice will prevail.🇬🇧
It's an important job.
She doesn’t have a choice - she was appointed by the state as the public defender. It’s a hard job.
Put Cruz in a cell constantly playing sound of what he did. He couldn’t stand that sound he covered his ears
"It's a hell of a thing killing a man. You take everything he's got and everything he's gonna have".
Did he care whether another human being should live or die?