Parkland shooter Nikolas Cruz threatened to stab teacher in 3rd grade, attacked others | LiveNOW
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2022
- Dr. Lori Karpf, a psychiatrist who treated Parkland shooter Nikolas Cruz, who killed 17 people at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, testified during the 23-year-old's sentencing. Dr. Karpf treated Nikolas Cruz for a couple years, starting when he entered the 3rd grade. Dr. Karpf testified about a number of incidents Cruz got into at school, including striking another student with a lunch box and threatening to stab his 3rd grade teacher.
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The psychiatrist is a complete washout. Talk about being unprepared and disorganised. She doesn’t seem to give a single crap about it
She’s another reason why these children are so screwed up .. she’s disorganized and she’s unprepared.. Most people who have been through any kind of therapy knows they all say you get 15 minutes! by the time your therapist gets there sits down in their chair, start drifting through paper, get bored and then … they’re ready to go home..
Most the time she just guesses and she seems to be pretty familiar with all the medication. You have to wonder if she got a kickback from prescribing all these medication‘s .. big pharma is another Hugh problem Because all they care about is making money. That’s the bottom line
She seems lame and not the best choice for someone like him.
The question is why someone with mental health issue is able to buy a gun in USA 🇺🇸 is mind baffling.
Not only a gun, but a military-grade assault rifle. It is beyond insane.
BINGO
Society is also to blame for what has happened. Violence everywhere, video games, tv, films, guns available, mother a prostitute, and the men who paid for sex with her are also to blame.
@@edmunddonnelly3881
It's not a military grade assault rifle
@Elmir Bratić can you help me understand as an uninformed Canadian, what does a civilian do with a semi automatic gun, typically?
“Hate is a place where a man who can’t stand sadness goes”
BEAUTIFUL MEHEWL
@@sA-ny2jl his adopted mom wanted to be a mom so bad and then she ended up with 2 bad kids. What a nightmare. Who knows if someone could have done better. I don't think anything could have stopped this from happening. It was some kind of destiny that we can never understand.
@@savetrump9120 agreed. This kid was evil from the start apparently. His adopted mother loved him, provided a great life for him and did everything she could to try to help him and his brother. He had more help and accommodations than most other troubled kids receive in a lifetime until he was 18 years old. None of it worked. Some people are just born evil.
Bruh... this is profound. Thank you
Especially in someone with mental problems who has distorted thinking. I agree, and believe that when Nicks mom died , he felt so abandoned and alone, that he turned to hatred, instead of sadness. There was no one on his side anymore. And he just wanted to make someone responsible and take notice of the state of his life, that he couldn't handle without his mother, the only person who truly loved him, and stood up for him.
what baffles me is that he is such a troubled child and somehow he felt through the system, he had 7 sessions out of 52 with this lady psychiatrist in 1 year, why no-one followed up?
It’s because it’s Florida, Fort Lauderdale. Have you ever lived there? Probably not. It’s a freaking mad house with criminals all over. The system is too overloaded without enough funding! That’s why
@@Yourmanbiddle The Governer, Ron DeSantis, doesn't care about these important issues. He's just concerned with becomming the next President, which would be a disaster. He's just another Donald Trump, who will cause yet more havoc and hate.
I'm not being sympathetic to Nicholas for the record. I am however going to point out he never stood a chance in a world that gave up on him before birth, This is a prime example on why drug addicts should not be alloud to raise children.
Who isn't troubled? Everyone goes through it. It's called life and shut happens. That doesn't mean or tell u to go shoot up a school
@@mattycashgaming He had better chances than most born to drug and alcohol addicted mothers just by being adopted into a loving family with means who lived in a good school district. It sounds like mom, who was older, became overwhelmed when her husband died and sadly struggled to manage him. It is unfortunate that more services are not available. Also keep in mind, Florida ranks 49th in mental health funding per capita.
After threatening a teacher in grade 3 you would think that he would have been in mandatory therapy until a doctor said he didn’t need therapy any longer, even if that meant until he graduated.
Some people need life long therapy to keep things like this from ever happening, seems like the education system and the government dropped the ball on this one, if people want someone to blame then blame them.
Couldn’t have said it any better Mr. Song
He needed to go to an alternative school where he could have been handled by mostly male faculty…and around mostly male students! The public school system in broward really did nothing until he got in high school by expelling him! Right after he finished elementary school he should have been probably referred to an alternative school! The faculty didn’t care and let him run a muck
Y'all just wanna punish folks starting from the crib. Step out of line: immediate mandatory gov't supervision. That's not gonna work out how you think it is ...
He DID go to a specialized school. He was receiving help from psychiatrists, psychologists, counseling and behavioral therapy until he was 18 and legally an adult. People definitely dropped the ball along the way, but stop acting like this kid did not receive more help than most other kids get in their lifetime.
@song whisperer You can't just force a 3rd grader into mandatory therapy. A school can make recommendations, but that kind of decision is always up to the parents.
Imagine what the mother was going through dealing with all these behaviours, with no support.
It’s really sad. What’s odd though is his mom is the one who introduced him to guns.
That's on her she chose that this is the end product
The mother is the reason he had these behaviors in the first place... Being a drug addict and prostitute is not exactly a great environment for a child to grow up in.
She had plenty of support and money apparently.
Terrifying thought that this or some other crime was unavoidable because he wasn't put together right.
Despite everyone who tried to help, both he AND his sister are incarcerated.
She saw everything but he didn't even know he was adopted.
The kid growled like a tiger.
Have you been paying any attention at all? A consistent theme through this trial has been that Nicholas’s adoptive mother was resistant to getting help for him. She didn’t even tell his teachers that he was adopted until she felt she had to; those aren’t the actions of someone who is looking for help and support. She tried to hide her child’s issues to save her own reputation as a mother, and it ended up creating a monster.
I do hope that there is someone high up in the education/child health authority who is witnessing these testimonies outlining the history of the different agencies involved……. There seems to have been a large degree of involvement during his formative years, but did this follow through to his late teens? He was a ticking time bomb, set to explode when his mother died.
Absolutely!! - & I feel like there should definitely be an investigation on so. (Maybe not criminal charges, but an investigation to study everything in total to see if they could of done anything to change how they went about everything.) As maybe this all would/could of been prevented. Obviously parole for criminals is a thing - so kids who show signs of psychological issues like so should be monitored/checked on from time to time! Especially if they are clearly showing signs!
Agree
If you haven’t realized, anyone with true power doesn’t give a care in the world about the average person. Everything is about MONEY in America, this country is one big business.
@Martin Bryant elders aren't even respected in this country you are so right this is part of the problem.
@@tiaragasper I totally agree. They just kept medicating him ,altering his mind . Sadly he doesn’t have anyone who cares enough to open an investigation .
The system failed, not only him, but the ones he hurt and killed at that school.
He was an adult who chose to end 17 lives. Not sure what responsibility the ¨system¨ has.
@Martin Bryant nope but that’s how the law treats that magical age of 18. To be honest 19 and 20 years of age are you none the wiser. Young people have a tendency to do stupid things without considering the consequences.
@Martin Bryant Not, not everything. Just that it´s wrong to slaughter 17 defenseless people as the beg for their lives. Not too complicated.
no body failed this grown man, he shot up a school and then said he did it because he likes seeing the families suffer.
He had a adequate environment at home and was medicated and treated for his problems until he made progress. As far as the system goes, you can only blame them so much for another person's individual actions.
It’s funny because some of us who had terrible childhoods had deal with it on our own. We never had help from the system or seen child psychiatrists, but are not out here unaliving people! We aren’t planning school shootings! He chased kids down the hallways, he shot into classroom windows, and he shot people at point range. After the shooting, he blended with the crowd of kids and walked out of that school. He went to McDonalds and chatted with the brother of one of his victims. When he was caught, he was pretending to see demons because he wanted to blame someone else for his actions. The “system’” failure didn’t help him to premeditate the murder of 17 people!
Does this sound like the behavior of an insane person? Still waiting to see an insane person strategically planned out something like this. The psychiatrist said that he’s competent. He is an adult and he chose to do this! Have zero sympathy for him.
Guys. Guys. The mother did not call him weird. The woman living across the street did. The man who testified rented from the woman. 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
I glad someone of us still pay attention it was definitely the neighbor not his mom but she probably called him worse then weird..
Imagine defending someone who went into a school and shot and killed kids. There's people out there who go through the worst situations life can throw at you and yet they don't even consider doing what he did. Yall are pathetic.
Calling him "weird" did NOT produce this result. His genetics from his criminal parents is at work here.
@@blessall8856 Its both. But that weird comment doesn't help anyone or anything. It's appalling actually.
trial just keeps getting more informative, I find myself looking at these clips every day
Me too!
Me as well! It's very interesting
Me too!
Same!
What these "Informative" interrogations are aiming for is to justify what this creep did.
The kid should of been put into an institution atleast once in his life. The fact that he wasn't shows that too many people. Including these psychologists didn't do their job properly. And the result is 17 victims. Had he been institutionalized atleast once he would pf never passed a background check.
Bingo
I don't think that many people are understanding the the impact of the downgrading of mental health services,especially inpatient care during the Reagan administration. It is not an easy thing to institutionalize a child or teenager .I worked in the mental health system with adolescents and children for so many decades , the worst behaving kids, very often spent some time in a group home, and then are returned home, they may have stood over their parents bed at night with a knife, but they are still returned home. There is inadequate funding, it gets down to that
Maybe.. but I’m sure if he was institutional ized that would be the blame for his actions. Just the same as being medicated or not being medicated at a young age. Darned if you do. Damned if you don’t.
*should HAVE been. Come on, it's not that difficult
Even if he couldn’t pass a backround check people have ways of obtaining guns illegally. Unless he was locked up permanently their was no possible way of stopping what was going to happen. No amount of therapy, mental hospitals, or medication could fix his mind. He’s been screwed up since birth, and even if he had multiple people helping him his path was doomed from the beginning.
He should've been locked up as a child & not allowed to make good on his threats.
Or maybe rehabilitated. People like you create monsters like him.
How do people lock up a child? Maybe if he didn't have access to the guns as an adult the outcome would have been different.
@@preli420 or maybe if every teacher there had access to guns they could’ve stopped him.
@@ryanhe4277 True. I don't know how I feel about teachers with guns, I haven't given it enough thought, but maybe its the answer to the school shootings. I just feel like a child (He's basically still a child at 18) with mental health issues his entire life never should have been able to get a gun. Especially that type of gun.
@@ryanhe4277 wtf it’s not their job
Why aren't they telling these people to speak louder into the microphone. The people who I can actually hear get told to speak up.
They are and do some of these videos are just quiet the editor / uploader just didn't raise the volume. If you watch multiple the levels variate.
I can hardly hear the lawyer as well. And everybody has to bend over to get near the microphone. Badly constructed in my opinion.
Exactly. You'd think they could afford a better mic set up than a 4-inch dildo that's 8 feet away from the chair
None of this really matters now he still took the lives of innocent kids. He should be sentenced to the max time. It’s not those kids fault how he was raised or treated before
Supposedly the class was at the time, learning of the holocaust. So maybe he was reenacting something... in his own mind. Adolf, swastikas...kind of self explanatory what happened. Hate in his heart. Murder on his mind. He never knew love. This is what rejection does to people when they've been dealing with it all their lives.
@@AyyoShyGurlTv sure sounds like his adoptive mother loved him enough to endlessly take him to doctors, but him the things he liked, even hug and kiss him and say she loved him. Not to mention that he inherited almost half a million dollars and was not at an age to be bullied at school anymore.
All of this matters because he will get spared death if just one of those 12 jurors thinks he doesn’t deserve it. Also, the prosecution needs better behavior because they are shooting themselves in the foot with bad behavior
@@AyyoShyGurlTv But if he had killed your child, how would you look at things?
@@AyyoShyGurlTv give me a break.
Quit giving kids speed. You will never convince me it’s more beneficial than harmful. quit giving kids adderall, or folclin or Ritalin etc. It’s disgusting.
It is a cousin to meth
They did more harm than good in me.. basically turned me into an underweight zombie. My son seems to be hyperactive like me and I would never consider drugging him up. I’m gonna help my son not worsen the issue.
Well the speed got me through grade school. Didn’t even realize it was speed until my adult years 🤣🤣🤣. Everyone is different
Yes thank you
As a little boy, he should have been institutionalized...this is insane. This Dr. Should also be held accountable.
now u wonder whyyy he shot all those people oh welllll who was helping Nicholas
If the mother refuses there is nothing a Dr can do. Unless he harms someone.
100%, his adopted parents, psychiatrists and therapists should be all held accountable for what he did. He should too not saying he shouldn’t, he at the end of the day decided to do what he did to his peers.
Nah not the doctors fault blame the mother
@@reginamurad3892 lol
Nikolas Cruz shouldn’t be given a hall pass for doing what he did just because he had a messed up childhood. Fortunately, I don’t think anyone is giving him a hall pass as his two fates are either death or life in prison without parole. Either way, he’s paying for his actions. As he should.
That all said, it’s also clear that he had a lot of issues that were outside of his control and a lot of people ultimately let him down. He was doomed from the start, so in that vein I do feel bad for him and I don’t want to judge.
So yes, while he should be held accountable for what he did, those who let him slip through the cracks and not take his warning signs more seriously should also be held accountable. This is a kid who NEVER should have been allowed to purchase a firearm. Smh 🤦♂️
He killed children, has always wanted to kill. He is facing Life or Death. What is the purpose of keeping him alive? Rehabilitation? I don’t want to drive beside him on his way to work. I just don’t... I think it would be merciful to end his torment in any case. I would vote for Life in Prison with no prayer of Parole. He needs to suffer every day for the rest of his miserable life. Especially if he can be rehabilitated!!! He can FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT HE DID WAS WRONG, and ENDED LIVES!
Wow, he was on 20mg of Focalin XR in third grade?? That's a high dose even for adults. It can cause anger, and psychotic and manic behavior.
and risperdal is only allowed for six weeks unless you are a skizo
I take Adderall (but I'm in Canada)
@Martin Bryant He wasn’t even on meds that long.
@@loverbear23 That's a lotta adderall. What did that do to you?
Listening to the doctor testify.....I wonder, how many times was he prescribed..."Let's wait and see what happens?".
That's where she was wrong. He was always a danger to others just not himself.
Prrrrrrrreach that truth
Indeed he was.
And still is.
Yet he killed everybody except himself . Ok
@@reneereyes2913 That's exactly what I said. He killed other students but didn't have the balls to kill himself
How this psychiatrist thinks a school would do a neuropsych evaluation is ridiculous, along with the fact that she didn’t know he was born from a mother who did drugs/alcohol during her pregnancy. That’s BASIC intake information that would direct course of treatment. ALSO-home based behavioral services are voluntary so adopted mom decided to terminate, then decided to do what she wanted with the Risperdal, which by the way, is an antipsychotic medication. I’m sorry, but in this state, that would be neglect of Nik’s mental and behavioral health needs. Also, the history of constantly trying to address the behavioral symptoms with ADHD medication is infuriating. The field of psychiatry for children is often a subjective crapshoot that relies on parental opinion, not real data. Did this psychiatrist ever speak directly with a school professional to see how the meds were working in conjunction with the adopted mom? Systemic failure.
I agree, it’s pretty obvious these so called mental health professionals have no clue what they’re doing.
Doctors also transcribe or write mistakes in charts. His Mom may have mentioned he had FAS and that bio Mom drank. This psych may have forgotten or not jotted it. OTOH, maybe his adopted Mom left out those details. It definitely was a “crapshoot” in this case because the kid is and always was a psychopath. You cannot fix that with any drug or therapy.
the testing they do for development and IQ are a form neuropsych. They are entry level check lists and tests.
*Melanie* - Are you a psychiatrist? Serious question because if you are I have a question for you regarding opioid effects on a child if used during entire pregnancy and while breast feeding baby.
Could more people have dropped the ball here?
The psychiatrist who saw him for “5yrs” , up to 5 mos before the shooting should lose his license to practice!! All that time & all he came up with was ADHD?? He paid zero attention to that guy & only focused on useless meds that didn’t work. All that anger, aggression, combative behavior overlooked for all his years treated? Failed in so many ways & this was the brutal result. Sad on so many counts!
Lol we aren’t responsible for them picking up a gun and shooting people . This wasn’t gonna stop him from having the evil urge to take the lives of others . Stop
@@reneereyes2913 nope it is their job to do SOMETHING -GOD ANYTHING!!! ANYTHING!!! and they didn't.
I have worked in the behavioral health system for about 10 years and unfortunately there isn’t a lot that can be done. There aren’t many options after parents try all the services available to them and if they don’t help the child there isn’t much to do after that. A better system needs to be put in place to help children that are struggling because what is in place leaves providers and parents without many options.
@@k4871 Im in mental health forensics for over 25 yrs. The only diagnosis they gave him was adhd & he had a whole lot more going on. He was pushed thru the cracks, next grade, next school & was unable to function or feel a part of any situation. His mother ran to every service there was giving half truths to anyone who would listen & then treated him as she saw fit for the day. Sadly, he was a moving timebomb. No one treated him as a very damaged person probably brain damaged, as a kid or adult & expected him to function normally. This was the result. Hurt people hurt people. Heartbreaking that so many suffered in the end.
Also that's not what ADHD looks like in many people, especially girls. Its also a failure to identify who actually needed meds.
They really drugged him up as a kid. Wow!
Thats what really messed him up
He was hitting children with lunch boxes and threatening to stab his third grade teacher! He absolutely needed medical intervention/medication.
It´s the case with thousands of children nowadays, unfortunately.
Altered his mental state I’m sure
Kids have temper tantrums baby's do. Do they put them on meds NOOOOO IM SURPRISED HE DIDNT SHOOT THE DR LOL
cops were called 40+ times, he hurt/killed animals, he's a serial killer
@Boston Gal he killed more than 2 = serial killer
Mass shootings like this only happens in the US. If there was a simple age limit of these types of weapons, this would never have happened..
100000% agree
Well after the testimony from the gentleman saying how his own family called him the "weird one" it's easier to understand how anger built up in him. Still amazing to me how some people can fill up someone with negativity and then expect them to be happy, well adjusted people. You get out, what you put in.
It wasn't his family who said that. It was the lady renting the home out. Get your facts right. The family loved him. He was just the spawn of Satan.
His family didn't call him weird; however, his neighbor lady that lived across the street called him weird to his face, according to the guy who rented from her.
it is true, i feel bad that he got so bad that it lead to this point. but many ppl go through childhood issues and it doesn’t mean they will also shoot up a school. at the end of the day he made this decision so he needs to pay for what he did
Nahhh, he knew it was Fn wrong rrgardless! Stop feeling sorry for this guy, its beyond pathetic!
But that doesnt excuse shooting up a school does it, stop trying to defend that monster, he knew full well what he was doing
Why do they keep dragging this trial out??? 😒 He killed 17 innocent people..it is as simple as that...give him his punishment...good grief..those poor parents .
Amen 🙏🏾
It's being dragged out because the State is bloodthirsty and determined to go for the death penalty. Cruz has already pleaded guilty to multiple counts of first degree murder. This whole trial is nothing but a waste of money and time, not to mention making all the victims and their families relive the horror.
Because it's his right. Thank goodness he pled guilty, so at least the families do not have to go through that too.
This is the penalty phase reviewing mitigating factors to determine punishment. That is the court process whether you like it or not.
Don't forget the 17 that were wounded and the 100s of students that had to run past the carnage just to get to safety
This doctor should not be in practice. Her approach is “oh these meds aren’t working so I’ll just give him way more of them!”
Unfortunately this is how many psychiatrists operate
The psychiatrist acts like she’s tumbling for words. She probably doesn’t even remember the murderer
I honestly was thinking that she doesn't remember him at all. I would have just been honest and said, it's been 10 years, I cannot remember him, I'll have to refer to my notes for any questions. She wouldn't have made such a full of herself.
this WHOLE situation is just so devastating. Mental health is so important. I am not justifying his actions, what he did was wrong and unforgiving, but the fact that he wasn't given the necessary attention that he needed by these professionals is just disappointing.
Who are we to not forgive ANYBODY for ANYTHING? Let me guess you’re a Christian? Most hypocritical man made religion there is. I just deal with it….but fyi that’s in Gods hands only
It is not unforgiving in the eyes of Christ my friend. Christ says if you can't forgive someone , neither will your Father forgive you. I forgive this man. May God have mercy on him. Of course what he did was not nice, but if he pleaded with God he would be forgiven, because God is gracious and merciful. Who knows what demonic forces this man has oppressing his life
Ephesians 6:12 "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
I agree. A daily beating could have been dispensed with as soon as improvement was noticed. A little more labor intensive than writing out prescriptions but more effective in the long term.
This should be very concerning for any Parent of children with these types of challenges. This idiot "doctor" only saw him for 15-30 min sessions, and did nothing but change his medications every time she laid eyes on him!
I seriously question the safety of putting the mind and body through such a whiplash roller coaster ride of chemicals. Especially a young, developing mind! If you are a Psychiatrist, and your preferred method for treating mental or developmental challenges is to try and medicate symptoms away... you need to be in a different line of work.
She also said that she thought the medication he was on was working because his mother reported that his behavior improved after *a couple days* on it; risperidone absolutely does start having noticeable effects after just a couple days in someone’s system. It takes several weeks to become fully effective, after just a few days there would have been zero change in his behavior. It’s literally impossible.
It is absolutely jaw-dropping to find out that someone this incompetent was a practicing child psychiatrist for so long.
I have worked in the behavioral health field many years, and worked with many psychiatrists, and this is how they work. They constantly change medications until the parents report that a specific cocktail works. They only see the children for about 30 min max and don’t have a follow up apt until the next refill. Unfortunately this is how the system is set up, it is just a guessing game until you find something that helps, and once it no longer does they increase the dosage.
That’s what the psychiatrist is for though! If the parent wants regular CBT then the child goes to a psychologist who usually can’t prescribe medications. And usually psychiatrists do try different medications before the right combination works for the parent. I’ve always been too scared to be on drugs, so I never went.
100% agree. The amount of medications he was on before he was a teenager is astonishing
i can’t believe i’m seeing most of these comments defend him.
this man murdered 17 kids and injured 17 others.
his upbringing was sad, it wasnt right and more should’ve been done but that’s not any excuse for what he did.
yes, at a point in his life the system failed him indeed, but ultimately he made the choice to commit mass murder. what’s even more sickening is that he *planned* it beforehand
The systemfails people EVERY DAY . It's NOT the system, its the people running the system. We have a drug and alchol , resulting in mental illness on our streets by the thousand, in just LA alone. I believe they call it a HOMELESS problem.All while we let , just in the last 1.5 yrs opened our borders to over 5 million unskilled, uneducated , no english skills, packs of children , not even with their own parents come into our country for YOU the tax payer to care for... and we don't even take care of our own, and we talk about how we HELP these people have a better life. Look around you, the GOV has nothing, except what it takes from YOU. It took years to get to that place. America , the land of the free? We are a sick sick country. The system didn't give a shi* untill it was so out of control that nothing could be done, throw money at contractors from tax dollors and build expensive cages to put them in, give them food stamps that'll fix it.
100%, he was failed and it is very sad but he committed a vile crime against innocent people which has devasted so many lives.
This is not how you fix problems though... Your logic is lazy. Stay in your own lane.
Right. I don't think anything is an excuse for the act he committed.
Your life circumstances do not force you into any decisions like this. 100%. We have free will. He chose to be a monster.
How disorganised is this Dr ?? God knows how she manages patients .. she looks like she has not opened his file until she arrived in the witness box ...that lawyer is so bloody slow this must be costing the citizens of USA millions
My thoughts exactly
This dude had a choice.
I thank you for making that choice, but, my dude, the fact that you have to choose not to commit mass murder isn't normal.... seek immediate help.
I’ve been watching theses proceedings for about 3 weeks now. So I’ve almost covered all of it. And honestly, I can’t understand how Cruz is allowed to sit in that room unshackled. Free to write and speak with the attorneys. As if he’s in someone’s living room. Just uninhabited.
I believe, because of what he did, he should be shackled and have a muzzle on his face. No pen and paper. No moving his head around and moving with ease. He should only have been allowed to speak to council after the day’s session.
Zero comfort should have been given to him. He should have been encased like Hannibal Lecter. Full body shackle and face covered.
what America refuses to recognize is white priv.
I'm ready for Nick to have an outburst in court because it isn't fun anymore for him. Since that's his demeanor according to all these experts.
Take away his coloring pencils and he will.
I just want to know what his crazy ass keeps writing to his lawyers cause the dude was socially f up since a little kid so the notes must be weird
Yeah, his behavior now shows he does have the ability to control himself. He’s been in control of his emotions and behavior the entire time.
It might actually help his case if he appeared more out of control. At the moment he just seems like a cold, collected sociopath.
@@tinam761 In control on the outside maybe, but on the inside may be a different story. As people get older they get better at hiding it.
More and more signs.. the system killed them kids.. they knew he could be a danger.. so sad he has been drugged his whole life.. even when born addicted..
Don't say stupid things the system didn't walk in with a AR an murder 17 yeah he was a drug baby but he didn't want to get better we don't even know if he took the medicine as prescribed his mind was messed up way before medicine he wanted to kill for some psychotic reason he did that not anyone or anything else
The bastard with the gun killed those kids. Not the system. Stop feeling sorry for him and placing blame in the wrong hands.
Go put toner in your yellow hair.. I’m sure you know nothing about the crooked system!!!!!
Did anyone bother asking why he felt like stabbing the teacher and what set him off.
wtfff??? i can't with blind people like this. Ok Lynda. Have another kid /shooter
I think they should involve neurologists in cases where people show signs of aggressive mental illness and offer brain scans to determine what parts of their brains are damaged. It just makes sense to me.
I think that the defense had planned (and actually took) some brain scans in order to prove that he had sequels from womb poisoning. But they finally decided not to show them to the jury as the evidence is very questionable medically.
exactly idk why they dont do that already they just throw meds at people and hope theyll work
We need to spend more money on the study of the brain.
Brain scan did nothing for my daughter but show its all stemming from her frontal lobe..
I don't think they had Brain scans when he was born
I've always had ADHD. I used Ritalin when I was younger, but man did that do sh*t to my head. Depression to not caring for myself in a proper way. The moment I didn't take it, the more mature I got from it over the years. Trust me. Things take time in life. I'm not making no excuse in what he did. What he did was absolutely horrible. But like medication given and not paid attention to, how mind altering is it really? Addiction? You can't say when an addiction starts. I've smoked cigarettes since I've been 8. I'm 30 now.. Concepts of reality isn't hard to be altered when it comes to a mind that's still developing as a sponge. Consequences are by the actions of others until your that certain age
8 years old? Ur lungs must look like a charred up piece of steak. God damn, hope u make it to 31 my friend. That’s terrifying. I vaped for a few months 3 years back in high school. I went from being able to run 5 miles to wheezing while going up stairs. I’m just saying be careful dude, pls pls pls. U are killing ur self just like my dad.
I switched to weed and I’ve never felt better. started playing hockey again. Started running again and am just starting training for my first half marathon. Mary Jane is the way to go my friend.
At ten they drugged him up on chemicals, the mother in denial of the extreme drug and alcohol abuse the child experienced in utero. That's called present day mental health care. Pathetic.
Did they just give this kid pills or was there some kind of behavioral therapy? What were the adults doing to help the mother other than drugs?
This Trial should have been OVER!! Conviction....GUILTY. Give the Families and Friends Closer.
He already plead guilty. This is a sentencing trial.
Let's remember Nikolas Cruz victims while the defense try to make us feel sorry for his "damaged genetics". Alyssa, Meadow, Carmen, Jaime, Cara, Gina, Alana, Helena, Martín, Peter, Alex, Joaquín, Luke, Nicholas, Scott, Aaron, and Chris.
Yes! And thank you
Sharing!!!!!!!
But you all were sympathetic when you found out his mom called him weird. Not only was he indeed weird as a child but he was also a psychopath. Kids tend to show certain tendencies at a young age. Stop thinking your child will grow out of things that clearly aren’t normal and get them help.
Hus biological Mother was a drug addicted alcoholic that was a prostitute.
She exposed him all thru her pregnancy .
The one that called him weird was a family he has only been with a very short time.
He appears to suffer from fetal alcohol syndrome 😳
@Martin Bryant so the tendencies of him threatening to stab people, being violent towards other kids, etc didn’t equate to him potentially turning into a serial killer without proper help? If your child is killing his pet hamsters and flushing living fish down the toilet you think that’s something they’ll just grow out of? Lol.
And get used to the idea that he is potentially a danger to society.
@@johnschuh8616 some kids are complete psychopaths but sadly almost every parent has the “not my child” mentality. His adoptive mother hit the nail on the head with him.
It wasn’t his mom - it was a neighbor that said that.
They sure loaded him up on drugs as a kid.
Him and many, many other kids. Only he chose mass murder, though.
He was born "loaded with drugs".
@@michellenainkristinabusch1221 and?
obv not the right ones! he acted out in violence from age 4-19. What drugs/therapy would you have recommended then?
They were experimenting with a cocktail of drugs which is not in the best interest of a child’s developing brain. All with parents demanding they do so. In the 90’s teachers complained constantly about active children so doctors were putting kids on Ritalin claiming they had ADHD. As a parent, it was disturbing to see young children lining up at the office to receive that medication. It reminded me of a psyche hospital.
I don't understand why professional news services have videos where it is IMPOSSIBLE to hear what people are saying?
Thank you!!!
Nick belongs in a mental faclity the rest of his life no lethal injection no life in prison a mental facility to monitor him therpy the rest of his life away from other people he still has the ability to hurt someome
I have to use headphones. It makes all the difference.
10000% I know. It's annoying
ALL THESE SHRINKS AND NOT ONE OF THEM HELPED NIKOLAS! WELCOME TO MENTAL HEALTH IN AMERICA!!! 🙄👎
Lots of children have similar or worse issues but do not plan and carry out mass murder.
Lol no they don’t
But some do, they need HELP and not shooting medals
We don't know why some do and some don't.. I'm assuming some don't suffer with mental illness?? We all handle things differently. We aren't all the same. This young man was failed from day one. My heart truly goes out to everyone involved, including Nicholas. So sad.
at least the volume is so low that when the ads pop up they bust my speakers and eardrums
its 2022 and you dont have an ad-blocker installed?? explain yourself at once
@@deedeemerry1295 i live in the US, so it's actually 1952 here
LOL
Today, I was at a shelter, and I talked to homeless men, asked them what they wanted to do in their lives. 1 man said that he is not good at anything, which surprised me, because he didnt even try, and the other one said he wanted to rule the word and become a film maker. I said to him “wow! That’s good. What type of film do you want to make?” He answered “experiments, things that are not moral”. I straight away understood that he was not okay in his mind. The social workers dont seem to care that much. These men come to eat, take a shower, surf the Internet, take tins. I asked one of the social worker if these men have some sort of an education and she replied “good question, I dont know”.
that's very scary!
Things that are not moral… explain?! 😬
It’s a lost cause. If you are a carer of some kind and the person you are trying to help doesn’t respond, there is nothing you can do.
Terribly weak testimony…I actually cringed at her demeanor, hesitations, & uncertainty.
Same here.
You think you'd do better?
Why I do not blame anybody else but him, the "psychiatrist", seemed to not be able to even handle him herself or talk to him instead she just numbed him with drugs just like every other doctor he had seen before. And they wonder why he turned out the way he did.
His mom also drugged him up as a fetus. So, maybe if she didn’t want him fckd up, she should’ve started there and then gotten him a psychologist instead. Psychs always offer medication as a form of treatment. That’s why ppl go to them.
Why isn't cruz wearing a prison uniform instead of smart clothing, given that he's guilty??🤔
Wow. It seems that this psychiatrist did not bother to review her patient's records prior to her testimony and/or can't read her own handwriting. Wasn't much impressed with this psychiatrist. Yes I know these incidents happened several years ago. Still, I think this Doctor's recall should be better than this. No notes about behavioral interventions or work with Mr Cruz's therapist, mother or teacher?
I agree.
This tragedy could have been avoided if more agressive management had been taken earlierbin his childhood 😢 😔
Yes, like a blistering on his a$$
I've seen similar behaviors though, where they grow up just fine. I believe in very early mental health intervention. I also would like to know more about why their behavior was so extreme...what was going on in their mind just before carrying out the shootings. Maybe that can help figure out better working interventions.
One right after another knew there were problems and no one did anything. SEE SOMETHING SAY SOMETHING!! I hope the parents and family of teachers sue the crap out of everyone! He is not the only guilty one!!
Well said.
His poor mother, I feel so bad for her. She tried so so hard to give him the best help she could. I’m sure her life raising him was horrible…
For sure…. Torture.
Edit: Ok now I realize they are speaking about her adopted mother here, not the birth mother. I heard Brenda in place of Linda initially. I'm sorry, my mistake.
Original Post: did we not see the same testimonies? I just watched the one of her oldest daughter and of her friend at the time of NK's birth, and according to their experiences with her it sounds like she was a criminally negligent pos.
@@seandersg exactly she (bio-mom) was raped & gave him up at birth. Bio-mom was an alcoholic & crack addict. His sister called Brenda (bio-mom), a polluted uterus bc she was so addicted 😭
@@seandersg thanks for correcting, I agree with your statement of Brenda. Although I wouldn’t put “mother” in any part of her name, she doesn’t deserve it. Linda was his mother in my eyes.
However she was an alcoholic from what they have said. So imagine living with that example. This kid needed a solid foundation and a strong arm with lots of love. He had an unbalanced family with a hurting mom and birthed by an addict. Zach had problems too and police were called out many times just for him but he took out his frustrations by beating up on Nikolas. That's why he feels partly responsible for what happened. The whole thing is really horribly sad and devastating for everyone. Just blows my mind because of all the lives ruined. Sooo sad!
Good job feeding him lab stuff, because of ' mood disorders ' . Yet to think this psychiatrist thinks she is doing good things prescribing this poisons to children. smh
What's the weird squeaking and scratching sounds?! Sounds like someone put a mic up to their butt and we're hearing the chair squeaking every time they move. It's annoying af.
It's the doctor's bracelets rattling against the table
😅😂😅😅
He never should have been granted access to a gun let alone an ASSAULT RIFLE that can kill multiple people with a pull of the trigger. Just awful!
I wish that people put the same energy of hate they have towards the shooter, also towards the government. This person has showed symptoms since he was a kid. He clearly didn’t get the medical attention he needed. It’s not like he just did all of this out of nowhere. There are so many ways he could have been stopped. A person with that state of mind shouldn’t be allowed to own or purchase a gun. The system has failed all of the victims. Locking him up or getting the death penalty wouldn’t change the possibility of these events occurring again. We need to take actions to put a stop on all of this. Kids deserve to go to school without getting shoot, or being traumatized.
Thanks to Max Schacter .Florida now has the Red Flag law that reports these things into a database for law enforcement to monitor individuals on similar behaviors
This courtroom needs a better witness stand mic.
This psychiatrist seems so off! She can't remember this kid? Not good. I know psychiatrists and psychotherapists see A LOT OF PEOPLE, but come on!! He is the kind of child who just stands out and you know when something isn't right. She's oblivious!
And why is she so nervous? Can't seem to express herself well or explain things. 😕
During my teaching years as an art educator , I taught nearly 800 students per week, including special needs kids. I still remember many of them although I left the education field in 1998. The school psychologist and I (in private) referred to one fifth grader as a "future Ted Bundy". His parents, both doctors, were in complete denial. It is not normal for a ten year old kid to report that he was fascinated by the fact that a dog he had tortured just days before had had an erection before it died. I still remember his name and other details. The school psychologist informed me that he did not report his concerns because the parents might take legal action against the school district for defaming their son. Soon thereafter, I shifted my career to criminology, but II still remember fondly the many wonderful kids I worked with over the years and was very protective of. This IS normal.
By the way, my career shift was to evolve into a Child and Animal Cruelty Investigative Officer and author.
Ikr, his preschool teacher remembers him, but this so called doctor doesn't?
Psychs spend less than an hour with their patients. Why would they gaf? They’re getting that 💰 over your head. Govt doesn’t care, parents dgaf, but you expect someone who’s in this field to… Idk.
@@samie7025 it's not about them caring about you. It's about them helping you to care about yourself and helping you make better choices. Therapists are not paid friends.
“So u are also a medical doctor” omg
Is every professional in that town on drugs?! They could've all prevented this come on I'm not even a lawyer and I'm like this doesn't sound right smh 🙆🏾♀️🇺🇲
End this trial already and send this kid to meet his maker. This is beyond ridiculous this is still going on. Our system is the pure definition of a joke. Our tax money is worth much more than this piece of garage.
Hope they give him a date with “Old Sparky” and stop wasting public money. By keeping him alive in a prison warehouse.
The prosecution treat every witness like it's them on trial 🙄
Well...their testimony kind of is. They are trying to show holes in their memories etc. If they can prove a witness isn't keeping the story straight etc they can have their testimony thrown out.
This kids poor mother. 60 years old and trying everything to help this kid (at the time) and none of it worked
His biological mother was a crack addict and prostitute who wanted nothing to do with him after giving him brain damage while he was in the womb. She should be on trial. (Stop deleting my comment. There is nothing in my post that warrants it).
Very true but I honestly think she and her husband were too old to be parents, especially since Linda wasn't exactly facing reality from the beginning with NC background around his prenatal care (lack of), and "poisoning in the womb". That screams there will be problems.
I don’t know. It sounded like the mom was in denial a lot. It goes to show that adoptive parents either don’t realize or don’t want to acknowledge the trauma that comes with adoption much less adoption of a child from a drug addicted mother. Frankly they were too old to be parents
ADHD doesn't make you a killer
Deep down I wonder if this woman knew something horrible would happen with this kid when she was treating him. I'd be sick to my stomach worrying about them for all of those years, and then I'd be filled with anger when I saw what he did. I hate Cruz more and more as the list of people he betrayed grows.
IT WASENT HIS FAULT ARE U LISTENING TO THIS DOCTOR
True but no medical professional or anyone can 100% know they will be a mass shooter, but I think it’s fair to say that we could make an inference that he can possibly or be capable of hurting others or having issues with the law it’s Devastating all the way around
@@annemoretti3173 it is his fault. he was well aware of it and deserves the death penalty
He never had attention now in court he feels so important with all his lawyers around him. But when he gets in that cell after all this im feel bad for him its gonna hit him like a ton of bricks
@@annemoretti3173 he's already been in a cell for the last 4 years hasn't he?
He may have suffered in the womb but most of his negative behavior is learned. He was spoiled rotten and wasn’t punished for his behavior. You can give all the pharmaceutical drugs you want to these hyper kids but if you aren’t giving them physical activity during the day and after school they will act out.
Dena Louise…exactly, he was spoiled and entitled. Too many people actually grow up in abusive homes…he did not.
@@dmcfarlane4976 Negative attention (abuse) is infinitely preferable to neglect.
This attorney is a creep
Thank you...I see it, too
The Therapist is unorganized.
I’m sure the witness is needed to prove something but it’s now getting a point where everyone is taken for a wild goose chase. Poor victim’s family listening to these things that I don’t think they care. Just sentence him and get it over with.
I Agree 100% with this!!! This CRAP is taking longer than a trial would have taken!!! So very many people go through Hell as a kid-
But they don't go and shoot-up a school!!! This kid needed a good spanking, and NOT ALL OF THOSE DRUGS!!! If I Hear that what I said was cruel- IT'S MUCH MORE CRUEL MAKING A JUNKIE OUT OF A CHILD!!! BIG PHARMA
SHOULD BE SUED BY THE PARENTS OF THOSE KIDS THAT WERE KILLED BY THIS EXPERIMENT GONE TO ITS ULTIMATE CONCLUSION!!!
How about we also make them accountable? Kid was writing about killing people at 16 and the doctors did nothing. There are more guilty people than just the killer.
Only one finger pulled the trigger.
Hindsight is always 2020.
@@Earthbound369 yeah, but the FBI saw warnings written by him online. Why didn’t they investigate and put this crazy guy away?
@@corinapopescu8791 They should’ve transferred him to a psych facility with specialized experts instead. Regular psychs don’t treat “killer” children. So he should’ve been triaged and treated seriously from a young age. So painful… All those children.
It takes a village and it takes a village to be in denial/complacency
I MEAN HOW MUCH MORE DID THEY NEED TO SEE HIM COULD NOT FUNCTION IN A NORMAL SCHOOL SETTING!!!!!!!! TF!!!!! MEDICINE IS NOT CUTTING IT!
I AGREEE!!!!! 10000% MY GOD, WHY DIDN'T ANYONE DO ANYTHING??? UGHH IT'S SO DISGUSTING HOW NEGLIGENT EVEN THE PARENT AND PSYCHIATRIST WERE.
Looks like the medication did more harm than good.
What the court is not addressing that there is an entire industry in South Florida Adoption agencies that pay women with unplanned/unwanted pregnancies and severe substance abuse issues, usually homeless. They help the mother get Medicaid for prenatal care in exchange for housing and X amount of $ per month for living expenses, food, hygiene etc. The pregnant women than receive a large amount of money, usually in a lump sum after the baby is born & adoption is complete. There are literally women that are abusing drugs that actually use this system as a means of paying for their lifestyle. I personally know a mother & father, junkies, that find the cheapest place to live during pregnancy so they had more money for their recreational habits monthly. Once she gives birth the have unprotected sex asap until she’s pregnant again and they sign up all over again and make a new contact with another family. It’s absolutely insane.
Sounds like a nightmare.
@@benbunyip welcome to south Florida!
All the medical help along with psychiatric care and there was nothing that could help him and society. Now that’s scary.
You can't help someone who doesn't need or want help. Cruz isn't mentally ill. There is no pill that will treat evilness
Is this the level of psychological care that 10 year old kids with problems can expect? I think we can do a lot better!
They all pumped him with numerous drugs through his early years that did absolutely no good. Possibly even made things worse. Then as he got older & more dangerous he got no help at all.
This psychiatrist , during her testimony, stated that Mr Cruz was born by Caesarian Section whilst the Male psychiatrist stated in his testimony that Mr Cruz was a Breech birth. Two vastly different procedures . I am concerned that this wasn’t picked up by the Lawyers. Perhaps someone on here could question this as there are far more risks to the neonate in a breech delivery than in a C section. many thanks
Saying his birth was breech, doesn't mean he was born vaginally. Breech births are more often than not, finished out by a cesarean. I haven't gotten to that part yet though, so might be missing some details.
Breech presentation often leads to a cesarean section.....
They rarely allow vaginal breech births these days.. 9/10 its a section. Was in my case with my daughter.
@@redoksunflower yes i agree but Mr Cruz was born 23 years ago.
@@susanwood8086 And?? I also have a son that's thirty.. I'm 50yrs old so I'm pretty sure I know facts
Many schools nationwide have been cutting programs such as music, art, sports, etc. Consider the enormous resources spent on the shooter until the "event" as the massacre has been referred to repeatedly and euphemistically. I have interviewed many violent offenders in my role as a criminologist and researcher. Many of these offenders were willing to speak to me candidly, and reported how often they were able to "con" those in the psychiatric field and that interfacing with me was a refreshing "reality" check. By the way, many of these offenders had tortured animals in their youth, as did the offender. Do you recall how many times the latter purported to love animals and wanted a dog? By the way, I was a teacher for 10 years prior to shifting my career to criminology. This shift was not predicated in a vacuum. I will say no more as this trial is ongoing.
You are one of the very few posters who has picked up on the animal torture aspect. In addition, I agree fully with all the rest of your post, as well. Very keen observation.
There were many signs that he was in desperate need of help, so I don’t believe the new adoptive parents saw “no signs” (not that I’m blaming them). I just think the kid clearly needed help since he was a small child.. just tragic all the way around
i think he was too spoilt. he always demanded what he whats it was all about him. and those therapists and counselors are useless they "helP' don't work. he was just too spoilt for the beggining. at first he had to be raised much more stricktly to feel the boundaries and respect others more. ofcourse now it is too late. but first thing what i would do for him is to cut his hands. this is for the beggining and let let him clearly to know that if he behaves badly more strict treatments are to come. can't comprehend him sitting at this court and having a drink and even lawers for him. stupid system you have in usa.
@@rutasrutakauskas6813 ʺ... first thing what i would do for him is to cut his hands.ʺ
Do you really think violence ever helps - especially with someone with obvious brain damage like mass murderers like this?
No offense, but your comment is so cold-blooded that you're not far off mentally from such people.
This attorney needs to speak up, can't hear her.
This is why prescribing medication like these is bad to do so young. I was prescribed adderral when I was in like 7th grade and it caused depression and mental side effects. Def not a good idea to just give these powerful medications to kids this young escpicially in elementary school smfh. Those medications 1000% made him much worse.
I had adhd and they gave me a stimulant and I had crippling anxiety to where I wasnt able to be social or have fun anymore. I thought my skin was crawling
Had a kid with all of the same behavioral issues but they usually occurred AFTER she "came down" from her prescribed meds. I would love to see doctors/researchers from these pharmaceutical companies have to defend some of the meds they juice these kids up with for profit. Not making excuses but, pretty sure, they may have been a factor in making a bad situation much worse. The young lady we had displayed psychotic behavior after she came home from school where the meds were administered to "allow her to focus." 🙄
She treated him long before the shooting. He was not thirteen when he did the shooting. That’s a long while for any of the medication to leave the body, he didn’t just come off them.
Right m ...."we calmed him down w risperdol" ya you are to blame too school psychs superintendents etc lol I knew some people two adults they lived in a psych building where they house the mentally ill thru state ran program anyways these two had a suicide pact I remember when the ambulance came outside their bldg they were on risperdol & Zoloft zikes big pharma mafia strikes again.They are never going to admit to that I know I tested a drug for profit once sell yer body to test pharms but ya it's a moneymaking business they have to feed and clothe their kids just like everyone else
@@jill9356 , you do understand the long-term effects of these drugs, right?
@@joettaharris4230 exactly i still feel the changes in my brain after coming off of ssri meds for years
Exactly stay on your meds especially if they help kids, if not then don't
there are a ton of troubled people out there not all of them go and kill 17 beautiful kids in school they need to get this trial done and over with these poor parents have to sit through this day after day give the kid his sentence now quit dragging it on,
What a wonderful human being, he even wears facemask to show his care about health of others ❤😊
are you for real? he killed so many innocent lives and your over here calling him "such a wonderful human being" for doing the bare minimum of wearing a mask?
@@princessgomez9438 That was sarcasm, my dude
@@exorevbivoevturque oh my bad
This woman makes me sick
Why is she smiling 🤦🏻♀️
Why are they not doing Genesight testing to see what medications would be best for their chemical makeup before throwing differnts meds and changing doses? 50mg for a 10year old sure seems high!
Was that even available back then though?
I'm sure it wasn't available, also a lot of insurance will not cover it
I’m sorry he had a mother like that. But it doesn’t wipe out he killed 17 innocent people.
His mother failed him by taking drugs while pregnant. The system failed him.
As a fellow psychiatrist
Shameful
I guess they have to cover themselves
gross. live with it and your nightmares i guess. be well
The idiots that helped him get weapons should also be charged
10000%
If this kid is the result of this ladies treatment. She needs to quit her job.
Get it to the vets and put it down, stat. They are all drawing this out and prolonging it to get paid as much as possible.