HOW TO MAKE BIG BLOCK FORD POWER PART 2! 514, 521 AND 557 CUBE BBF STROKERS. 700-1,100 HP COMBOS!
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- HOW MUCH POWER CAN I MAKE WITH MY BIG BLOCK FORD? HOW BIG CAN I MAKE MY 460 FORD? WILL A STROKER MOTOR MAKE MORE POWER? HOW MUCH ARE AFR ALUMINUM HEADS WORTH ON A BBF? ARE SUPER COBRA JET HEADS AND GOOD? HOW WELL DO TFS A460 HEADS WORK? WHAT HAPPENS IF I RUN A TUNNEL RAM? CAN I RUN DUAL DOMINATORS ON MY BIG BLOCK FORD? HOW MUCH NITROUS CAN I RUN ON MY BIG BLOCK FORD? CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO WHERE I RAN 5 DIFFERENT BIG BLOCK 460 FORD COMBOS RANGING FROM 700-HP TO 1,100 HP.
Powernation did a build a couple years back where they built a max effort 598 BBF and a max effort BBC 632. The 598 got Kaase SR-71 heads and made over 1100hp and the 632 made around 1060 or so. Don't remember exactly on the BBC I know at the end they said they seemed to downplay the difference in power. They actually went to Kaase's shop and talked to him and he was talking how head flow isn't everything in making power. I really like how Kaase is always giving credit to everyone but himself somewhat different than a certain fellow who dabbles in diesels.
Mr.Holdner and Kasse are first class gentlemen. Love these guys
Come on Richard give the BBF some respect. The best of the big blocks. The Mains. The high cam for the stroker. Many more things. Build a low buck stroker with Kaase heads like the big bang LS and hit the 2K hp mark. Time to recharge the channel with some insanity.
They are to busy focusing on gm junk unfortunately
You realize he doesn't often build or do much of anything with the engine Dyno right? He is usually just pulling up old Dyno results and doing comparisons because he has so many photos and dynos in his long history of doing this that it's easy for him to create content that many of us have not seen.
@@MrPhukyewI know. Most of the stuff is out there as an old hotrod article.
What are his most popular videos? The Big Bang series. He has a 1/4 million subscribers and is going ro run out of old dyno runs at some point. Hence build a relatively budget oriented BBF. Moderately priced stroker kit, decent used heads and build an efi intake which we know he has done in the past. Why not a BBC? It's been done to death. Plus the BBF is a beefier motor. Make the dyno pulls, sell the motor and fund the next project. One of those 1/4 million subscribers must know someone interested. Plus would have the provenance of being the motor everyone has seen.
@@jonmac155 that I can agree with, but I feel like he really doesn't need this RUclips channel it's just a hobby for him. So we probably won't see much different in that aspect than what he's already done. I'm thankful for what he has given already on this channel. I learned almost everything I know about cams from this channel so he will always have my support.
"YOU REALIZE HE DOESN'T OFTEN BUILD OR DO MUCH OF ANYTHING ON THE DYNO RIGHT?" WEEK LONG TRIPS AWAY FROM MY FAMILY EVERY MONTH TO THE DYNO WOULD SAY OTHERWISE-IT IS AMAZING THE THINGS PEOPLE FLAT OUT MAKE UP AND TRY TO PASS AS INFORMATION.
Big Block Fords to the top baby!!!!
I have a 521 BBF with AFR 280s, decent sized cam and a small carb that made 731hp at Westech. BBF has some great head options nowadays. Pretty easy to make 700HP today.
What Kinda Compression you runnig? I'm Awaiting my BBF from the machine shop, I have a Kaase 520 stroker kit to go in mine with Kaase P51's. Hopefully can see 700 on Pump 93.
I feel like some 210 Lb/Hr injectors, E85, and twin Ebay GT45's would make a cheap "stoopid powah" BBF. Love your work, Richard, waiting for the next episode.
Thanks for the video! My 552 BBF making 935 hp with kaase heads, single 1150 carb. Home built, using a 1969 (C9VE) 2 bolt block.
which kaase heads?
Sr71 heads, flat top pistons, trick flow intake. Needs tunnel ram style intake for more revs/power
thanks. you seem like the only 1 with sr71's. do you have to use intake spacers? i dont mean the china wa@@GlenEvans-hw8js
This is awesome. I have. C9VE block that is .030" over, i'm looking at a 502 stroker and was considering the P-51 heads, should i just go SR-71?
I'd be happy with 850hp, going into a 69 mustang with a T56 magnum for a street / strip and cuiser.
Trying to nut out specs, been watching David Vizard and Ben Ameda aswell to get some understanding.
@@gettin-sendy P-51 heads are great, little easier fitment (must use pistons for p-51 valve arrangement). sr71 heads need the big bore head gaskets 4.64" if I recall correctly, and the intake spacers at both ends of block. Will need fairly big cam 280* to 290* intake duration at .050 lift. 13 to 14 compression helps as well. Also will need Kaase to use the smaller Exhaust valves if using production block like the C9VE, D0VE, D1VE, D9TE etc. if using sr71heads with those blocks.
Putting together a 557 with blue thunder heads and twins turbos for my 63 Fairlane. Should be exciting 😂
Way beyond way cool!
FKG epic 🏆👍👍😎
Need to put that 1,100hp big block in a Fox chassis Fairmont station wagon - with bench seat & hubcaps.
I’m a BB Chevy guy but geez the Ford makes some insane power
Nice. Those P51 or Trick Flow heads are the ticket if you can get 'em.
I'm just finishing up working over my SCJ heads! All they need is a lil bowl work and smooth out the ridge where the valve seats were cut in.. that really wakes em up!!!
The 514 solid roller wasnt from Comp .Ford racing cam in this engine was 304/306 254/258 .647/.647 112 lsa 107 ica. There was an article round 1999-2002 where the magazine changed from the CJ heads to the SCJ heads and then went through the Comp Cams Xtreme rollers (274XR, 280XR,286XR and 292XR) to dyno right around 700 hp . If I remember correctly the tests started with a 1095 cfm and ended up with a 1295 cfm demon.
The absent head that really would have been a challenger to the A's are the Kaase SR71's. I would like to see a follow up on the 557 with a single carb and the 71's.
this wasn't a head test
@@richardholdener1727 BUT IT COULD BE
i was gonna mention that. every one keeps writing p51.
As beefy as the OEM 460 block is, a Big Bang 460 would be a great video.
Love these videos! Your efforts are much appreciated.
I wanna see this BBF 460 Stroker on boost, ProCharger vs Turbo!
Love the content Richard
Would love to see a NMCA NA 10.5 build. The Ford Windser based engines in the 400 ci range seem to dominate that class. Those engines rival prostock engines for hp/ci at 3/ci. One of the most exciting NMCA classes in my opinion.
a 400-inch motor making 1200 hp?
@@richardholdener1727 Absolutly, but at the risk of doing injustice to those racers in the class, I am not associated with them, just a huge fan, so If I am inaccurate with any info please seek out those individuals involved. These are "Windsor based dimensions" for the the block with highly modified D3 heads. Benjamin Strader of EFI University talks about Robbie Blankenships engine at about 37:42 of the Clutch Burners Podcast Episode 5 ruclips.net/video/FEQZHo--P6Q/видео.html. He says it his 400 ci engine makes 1204 hp at 10,600 rpm on the engine dyno. Robbie's been 7.75 at 175 mph at 2800 pounds, shifting a Liberty 5 speed at 11,200 rpm or so. Reven Even interviewed Leonard Long not long ago ruclips.net/video/W-khO0bWex4/видео.html. He's won the class five times running a D3 headed 415 ci engine designed by Dave Visner. He claims 1100 horsepower and needs to weigh 2820 for the extra cubic inches. As the owner of Gforce transmissions he runs his own GF2000 5 speed transmission. I'm sure none of these guys will ever do it, but it would be great to see the build up of one of these engines and then see it run on the Dyno.
THAT IS A LOT
Biiig blooockk!!!
Love your videos richard! Any chance you could do a dyno with standard lifters vs rhoads lifters on the the same cam profile (2 cams obviously for FT ) i would be forever grateful lol
I've got a 460 I need to build to put in my 68 cougar. Mild ported D0VE heads, hoping for 600hp but mostly wanna run 10's. Now just have to learn how to build an engine...
Set up properly you should easily get in the 10’s.
@@bri-manhunter2654 ladder bar backhalf, 10.5w tire, coilovers, 9" with spool and 4:10's, c6 with 3k stall.
@@fraserfab68. Sounds spicy!! Gotta love BB’s!! Good luck sir!
You're not going to have much room between the shocktowers on that cougar. Fantastic cars. I'd give serious consideration in going with a small block. Even long tubes on a 351w can get tight. My cousin had a 70 cougar with a 351c. He hated doing sparkplugs on it lol.
@@I_like_turtles_67 I clearanced 1.5" on each shock tower. Spark plugs should not be a problem. I am thinking about replacing front suspension with AJE coilover kit which should allow even more tower removal. BBF Is already mounted via front motor plate.
Great video 👍🏾
I really wish that even though I am legally blind that I could fly out and work side by side with you building an FE as a tribute to Ken Miles, boost and all. I think what you do is awesome.
thnx
There is surgery you can get nowadays
I have the 514 scj in my 70 mustang. Made 498 rwhp on a mustang dyno.
Richard,
Two things; DV, goes to great lengths to show why LSA is more of a factor than many wish to believe. All these cams are 110 LSA, are potentially way off and would improve everywhere with maybe even 102 LSA.
Power AND Torque at these compression levels. Intake inertia signal.
This transitions to my second comment. With the increasing street torque trade off at each power plateau is there a way to fill in that torque hole below Three K with higher velocity ports or with a low threshold of boost with a tight hot side? Maybe even a variable turbine housing?
Maybe you may wish to for content sake do the late ignition timing trick where the mixture goes off inside the exhaust manifold ahead of the turbine inlet for us for testing purposes? Ever mess with that? I thing Norwood, came up with that a long time ago and many of the big wigs from Formula One were pumping him for his secret to instant full boost with a large turbocharger.
I know David very well and understand LSA (it's actually valve events and not strictly LSA). Formula 1 going to Norwood for turbo answers is very unlikely.
557 ford here
Seems like on most set up afr is a good choice always in the top for hp/tq
Plan on going this route in my 84 thunderchicken
Please do a 4.125bore and 3.98 stroke FE , some Bear Block Blair Patrick heads and intake. Molmar makes great rods, but factory rods from Blair and I wish I had a core I would loan you, but I don’t. A set of PSE crossbolted mains on 2 and 4. An iron crank the Bear 2x4 TW or a TFS single track heat. A 4.125x 3.98 425.50 cubes. They can do 850 hp NA. Bring the CR down and boost it. 1100 hp. That bottom end ran on the Cammer. With turbos this block is as light as a small block and can really rip. No one wants to do it. They are astounding! Blair Patrick is your man. He even has iron heads that can blow your mind! I know that without a doubt. This engine was the 60s Ford NASCAR and it kicked Enzo’s cars back to the village they came from and the Ford drivers were smiling from ear to ear. And remember RIP, Ken Miles who died without winning his triple crown he deserved testing the J Car. The 427 was rock solid against the world. This would make any Ford or any real race fans dream come true. Ken Miles deserves it. A tribute. HF2s “perfect engine “as he told the Countess.
How about a NA 580” SINGLE CARB CAST MANIFOLD with SR71’s that makes 1094 hp @ 7600 rpm and 858 to @ 6100 rpm. I can show you the way, and would love to get the intake that was use to you for additional testing.
@jon mac... Yes, I admit I got into this particular video and the comments. Seems some other guys like it too! Anyway, I'm a posting machine gun today since Ive been busy with other stuff for a while. As far as Ford fan? Some guys say they are fans of anything that makes power. I'll say I am pro-American (as opposed to anti-import) brands - mostly because I am American. Two Lane Blacktop, American Graffiti, Corvette Summer, Vanishing Point, Christine, all that stuff! I've always run GM stuff (except for a brief love affair with a 2012 Boss Mustang), but the big cube Fords have always captured my interest. Why? Because it's Ford, it's American, it's "expandable", and it makes a sh***** of power.
Speaking of big blocks or rather the replacement of one, are you actually going to dyno the Build it Yourself 4v Triton V10?
I offered if they get it done
Hi Richard I like your show I defy you to make 200 hp out of a ford v6 2.8 liter are you game?
Let's see some FE love! 390 going to 444 stroker
There's is two bolt mains 👍💯🇺🇸
4.700" bore
3.590" stroke
I wouldn’t mind having one of these mammoths in my 72 Gran Torino fastback but I’m 351W kind of guy
How reliable is the 460 at 800hp as a street and strip motor 😊turning it 7000rpm ?
What about some Kaase SR71 heads and stick with all motor tests. No N20!
why no NOS?
What happens when you run out of NOS? NOS, in my mind is a crutch for guys who can't or don't want to spend the money to build a motor.
9:00 Rich, on the 557, were you still using a standard 460 block, or the A460? It was my understanding that you could only use A460 heads on an A460 block.
std block
2 versions of the A460 heads one uses a 10 bolt pattern ( same as stock ) the other uses an 18 bolt pattern which would used on the A460 block or other aftermarket blocks
aint seen anyone do it yet, but I'd like to see one of these 557's tested with gasoline, then switch it over to methanol.
BES builds killer bbf’s
Wanna see some turbo bbf stuff
me too
Right on
that almost matches the power of that 632 gm crate engine with less cu in
Why not hit the easy button at 4500 RPM ?
Could you try this with a Blower?
I have SCJ-a heads and max lift is 65! You must have been using SCJ-b and solid lifters???
Only difference is springs and retainers.. The b heads get 10 deg retainers and the a heads get 7 deg ones. Stiffer springs for the b heads too..
@@w3r3cow then he shouldn't be able to run a cam with a 673 lift
The most important item in camshafts is "valve overlap" and most people have no idea whats going on in the valve train. Oh, and use .005 / 006 start lift , .05 start lift means little !!! Lobe Separation angle also means little, use valve overlap, that tells more about whats going on than anything else.
overlap is only 1 thing, and overlap with a 260/270 cam is different than the same overlap with a 210/220 cam
@@richardholdener1727 Still, valve overlap says a lot. One cannot use vacuum power brakes with a 90 degree valve overlap or be very difficult.
Do you ever sell any of your parts
Maybe it’s the scaling but that first HP/Tq curve looks odd.....
5:14 Correct me if i'm not wrong..lol
Hurray!! Just add PSI!
Time to supercharge it
Twin turbo
You could put your fist in those int. ports!!
ricardo i wish i had your job and u had a better one
YOU CAN HAVE MY JOB-IT'S JUST YOU TUBE-START A CHANNEL IF YOU DON'T HAVE ONE
What can u do with a 351m?
Look up the Myers racing I think they have a 420ci stroker kit 3v/4v heads and a good intake alot can be done a 351m and a 400 are same motor basically and share parts with Windsors and Cleveland
see the 400m video
400m is the best bbf
The 400M isn't a big block. It's a tall deck 351M. It's also not a 400M only the 351 is called the M and the 400 is just called 400. 63 year old Ford tech Senior Master ASE so I'm not trying to BS you.
That torque drop off was baaaddddd. Sucks.
Bloodviking
Sbf
Modular!!!
@@madmod sbf
Coyote
Toyota R series 4 cylinders
@@bigboreracing356 sbf
Personally I blame squirrels.......✅✔️
so being realistic, by the time your getting up to 600-650+ about the only thing left that is a " ford short block" is the block? BTW could that curve dip around 4500-5000 be partly because of timing curve? is the timing curve controlled by the distributor or ignition box? wouldn't EFI just fix just about all of the gremlins? face it, by the time your this far into the build $ wise, what the F@@k is another few hundred for a pre-wired loom an LS throttle body and an injector rail? in USD how much? $1000 - 1500? your already at about $8 - 10K into the build! make it more reliable and easy to configure for just about any setup? I am kinda jealous though. i admit it straight out. by about the 700 - 800 Hp where i am, we would already be looking at a $20000 long block with alloy heads. conservatively! i would have also gone forced induction before NOS. forced induction could add massive power without the will it grenade if the NOS jets i chose were too big. i can change boost with a spring and a press of a key.
Sucks not on 93 pump gas.
The question is,,willit beat the Pro Stock Chibbies? Im betting it wont come close..so why put forth all the effort???
none of these are Pro Stock Builds
then why even waste yur time?
Not on all motor. Sucks. Nos
360 degrees duration and 1 inch lift!!
Ford all day long chevy blocks 500 horse max lol 460 block 1100 horse